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2008 Coolest For At Least Five Years
Man-made climate change advocates scramble to explain away failure of global warming to appear as ordered
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, August 21, 2008
Man-made global warming advocates are scrambling to explain away the fact that 2008 has so far been the coolest year in five years, as climate change alarmists face embarrassment amidst a barrage of evidence that the planet has embarked on a clear and natural cooling trend.
“The first half of 2008 was the coolest for at least five years, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) said on Wednesday,” reports Reuters, adding that it may actually be the coolest since 2000, but the rest of the article is a strained and bias effort to pin the blame solely on the periodic weather event La Nina.
In reality, there has been no global warming since 1998 as temperatures leveled off and are now beginning to plummet as a result of dwindling sunspot activity.
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A dramatic cooling trend is being observed across the planet even as people like Al Gore continue to claim that the threat of global warming mandates the poor and middle class be hit with CO2 taxes in order to prevent climate change.
Both anecdotal evidence and hard data indicates that the planet is in the beginning stages of a significant downturn in global temperatures.
Following the end of the Sun’s most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now plummeting.
China recently experienced its coldest winter in 100 years while northeast America was hit by record snow levels and Britain suffered its coldest April in decades as late-blooming daffodils were pounded with hail and snow on an almost daily basis. The British summer has also left many yearning for global warming, with temperatures in June and July rarely struggling to get over 16 degrees and on one occasion even dropping as low as 9 degrees in the middle of the afternoon.
“Summer heat continues in short supply, continuing a trend that has dominated much of the 21st Century’s opening decade,” reports the Chicago Tribune. “There have been only 162 days 90 degrees or warmer at Midway Airport over the period from 2000 to 2008. That’s by far the fewest 90-degree temperatures in the opening nine years of any decade on record here since 1930.”
According to an Associated Press report, The Farmers Almanac is now also predicting “below-average temperatures for most of the U.S.” The publication boasts of an 85 per cent accuracy rate for its forecasts which are given two years in advance.
“The almanac’s 2009 edition, which goes on sale Tuesday, says at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder than average temperatures, with only the Far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings,” states the article.
The reason? Sunspot activity has dwindled. There have only been a handful of days in the past two months where any sunspot activity has been observed and over 400 spotless days have been recorded in the current solar cycle.
As we reported last week, the Armagh observatory, which has been measuring sun cycles for over 200 years. predicts that global temperatures will drop by two degrees over the next 20 years as solar activity grinds to a halt and the planet drastically cools down, potentially heralding the onset of a new ice age.
“Based on the past Armagh measurements, this suggests that over the next two decades, global temperatures may fall by about 2 degrees C — that is, to a level lower than any we have seen in the last 100 years….”Temperatures have already fallen by about 0.5 degrees C over the past 12 months and, if this is only the start of it, it would be a serious concern,” concludes David Watt.
In addition, Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera of the Institute of Geophysics at the University of Mexico states that “In about ten years the Earth will enter a “little ice age” which will last from 60 to 80 years and may be caused by the decrease in solar activity,” according to a report in the major Mexican newspaper Milenio Diario.
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August 21st, 2008 at 3:52 am
Deprgram your mind @http://www.dprogram.net
August 21st, 2008 at 4:10 am
Noooo…
It’s Climate Change!!!
Temps go up…so does your tax…
Temps go down…again your tax goes up…
Isn’t it cool to have such a hot topic?
August 21st, 2008 at 4:30 am
I’ve emailed this article to the Irish Green Party, who make up part of our government here in the Republic at the moment. I wonder how offended they will be.
Doublethink: next they will pressure us to emit more carbon-dioxide.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:44 am
I am so sick of hearing that we are to blame for global warming or the new one cooling, we contribute very little to polluting the atmosphere ,ok it makes the air we breath in some cities a bit nasty so curbing our output has its good points but as for effecting the planet this is all hype just another control factor, what is really happening is that we are going through a natural cycle that we have no control over unless some bright spark knows how to reduce the amount of water vapor in our air then there is nothing we can do about it bar adjust to the conditions. You will find lots of info on this via the web ,one really good source is the report gathered by the IPCC, This is a good source to what is really happening world wide and what plans are being made for the survival of the human race, yes I mean survival it will tell you off the planed evacuations and roughly how many are to die not only by natural disasters such as flooding or starvation but also by the hand of man, it will tell you of mass emigration from the Asian continent north in the search of food and how they will be stopped by force, this is the near future and it is speeding up daily closer to ground zero, our governments shouldn’t be fooling us with pollution statements they should be putting their energy into planning how to survive in these future conditions not only for the elite but for all humanity but there again telling you that most of you are soon to face death is not a good vote catcher.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:54 am
Hey,World-As Bill Bryson said so plainly and well-We are still at the end of the last Ice Age.(Unquote).Discuss.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:29 am
Good bring back R 12!!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 5:32 am
temperatures have not “plummeted” since 1998. 2005 was the hottest year in my 31 years on this planet. dont be so dramatic
August 21st, 2008 at 6:19 am
it says “the first half”
It does not say the whole year. Notice how the Reuters headline has a little more information than the prisonplanet.com and infowars.com news story. Hey Alex, if there is an “infowar” going on, why aren’t you giving all the information?
August 21st, 2008 at 6:19 am
I guess I should direct that at Paul Joseph Watson.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:00 am
Ted : well noticed, at least i’m not the only one who takes every story ‘reproduced’ on here with a pinch of salt. Alex Jones has his heart in the right place I believe, but unfortunately him and his colleagues use the same tactics as those he is warning us about. Fear and manipulation. This should in no way detract from the underlying message he conveys, however, he loses credibility in my mind in many areas with distortions of which this article is a prime example. (I won’t even start on the interview technique
)
The core problem lies in having set theories and moulding news articles to fit with these pre-existing theories. Does anyone agree with me?
August 21st, 2008 at 7:50 am
OpenAnalysis, I totally agree with “having set theories and moulding news articles to fit with these pre-existing theories.” This is human nature. You do it and so do I. Every person on this earth embellishes just a little, skews things towards their own sense of reality. I’ve never met a person who didn’t. Never.
Alex Jones is the first person to tell you, “Don’t take my word for it, look it up yourself, draw your own conclusions.” If people are unable/unwilling to do this, then they have a simple decision to make: continue listening to Alex - or turn him off.
The first time I listened to Alex Jones was prior to 9/11. I thought he had some excellent insight, but that he took things too far, that he stretched things. I thought he was paranoid. After 9/11 I revisited Alex, but I still thought he went to far on a lot of things.
It is now 2008. I’ve looked into most of everything Alex rants and raves about. I truly feel that he is closer to the truth than anybody else I’ve encountered. His methods may not please certain people, but again Alex is the first to say, “I’m not a celebrity, I’m not a leader, I’m not a prophet, etc.” Yes, people, Alex Jones is far from perfect. So are we all.
As for Alex Jones being a fear-monger, I totally disagree. Tyranny is horrifying all by itself. Evil is shocking without the need of embellishment. Go look up some pictures of the Nazi horrors and see for yourself. The forced labor camps didn’t happen because those people were “German.” It happened because too much power was put into the hands of too few, and that occurred because of apathy and ignorance. This same atrocity has occurred over and over again throughout history. Only in this century there are now pictures to capture the horror of a total police state. You think the “holocaust” was the only event in history where millions were slaughtered? It was simply the first time it was captured in film, where the survivors were able to give testimony and write books about their experiences. Mass murder is not new. It’s certainly not going away.
I think it’s shallow to frequent anonymous comment boards and nit-pick a man who has dedicated his life to fighting against tyranny. Call Alex on the phone and tell it to him personally. Tell the operator that you disagree with Alex, go to the head of the line, calmly ask Alex for 60 uninterrupted seconds to state your beef, then let him have it. True, he may interrupt you, harass you, bully you. Fight back. Call him a chicken. That ought to buy you a few more seconds. No Texan will abide being called chicken. If he disconnects you, turn your back on him, walk away, stop listening to him, stop visiting this site. Go find a better source. It’s simple really.
[In all fairness, this article absolutely states "so far been the coolest year" and goes on to say "the first half of 2008." This is stated at the very beginning of the article. I think the nit-picking is unreal.]
August 21st, 2008 at 7:51 am
Open, i agree…but what are we left with these days? If Alex didn’t do it, I for one, wouldn’t have been turned into a info gathering zombie, truth seeking troglodite, and wouldn’t be spreading info the way i do now days. I agree that he uses the same tactics but i call it fighting fire with fire. Is it knuckle headed? thats up in the air…I for one am VERY glad Alex Jones is in the collective SCREAMING bloody murder because our country is dying. Either way, we’re all free to listen or not in this country and I’m glad you pointed this out my friend..
August 21st, 2008 at 8:07 am
At least on this site you get important news and not all the celebrity news and idiot pundits arguing with each other about completely irrelevant shit. I use to watch cable news a lot until I finally realized that I really never learned anything important from watching them. I’ve learned much more listening to Alex’s show than I ever did in my years of watching cable news and I’ve only been listening for a couple of months now.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:49 am
this has been the coldest summer in recent memory. So cold in fact i couldnt take the children swimming, because the water is too cold.
Every time i hear some idiot blather on about global warming, i want to slug them. This is the coldest August in my memory.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:02 am
That’s called Global Dimming
August 21st, 2008 at 9:11 am
obviously… the global warming has been melting the ice which has been cooling down the world????????
hahahahah
wonder what they will tell the dumbed down public next…
maybe… we can go from global warming to cooling without anyone noticing?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am
World Meteorological Organisation (WMO)
World Health Organization (WHO)
New World Order (NWO)
Uh Oh! I see a disturbing trend. How about you?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am
There have been a few news articles around saying ’scientists reckon global warming will stop for 10 years, then carry on again faster than before’. In the meantime though, of course, just carry on with the carbon tax etc.
http://www.onemorepromethean.com
August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am
I love it, I live in GA and this summer it isn’t hot as balls blazing. And it makes for good table talk.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 am
Let’s check this La Nina phenomenon shall we?
La Nina is a flow of cool water from the deep ocean (at the equator) to the surface. Cold water is denser and will usually stay at the bottom of the oceans. Warm water is less dense than cold water and it is usually found at the top of the water. So, when the cold water rises to the top where does the warm water go? Obviously it is not going to the bottom but instead gets displaced to both sides of the cold water stream. The warm water goes towards the northern and southern hemispheres. If that was the case, then, we should expect above average temperatures on the west cost, at least for a while. But we have not experienced that. So, what can we conclude? Is it La Nina or a global cooling due to the lack of solar activity and mass ejection of hot plasma gas that reaches our planet? Of course, that hot plasma gas does not normally reach the surface, thanks to our natural and induced magnetic fields. But, as you may rely to, the rate of heat exchange depends on the difference of temperature between two bodies or phases or media. So, when the earth is surrounded by hot plasma gas from the sun during active solar activity, the earth can’t loose its heat as fast as when the sun is calm. This is the direct impact of the Zeroth law of thermodynamics.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:45 am
i havent stored away my winter clothes..this summer is the coldest ive ever experience…who knows, we might have heavy snowfall..in september?
I think we better hang on to our winter boots a liitle longer this year..maybe winter is gonna be longer..
August 21st, 2008 at 9:55 am
openAnalysis, I know what you mean. I guess at the end of the day, everyone has to make a paycheck. I used to eat, sleep, and breathe this stuff. Then the migraines started.(must be the chemtrials, or HAARP!) Now , when I disagree with all the “9/11 experts” on here, I get labeled as a “government operative.” Boo hoo. Alex means well, but Bush probably did to when he was young.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am
openanalysis,
what are you trying to accomplish? look at AJ’s motives. if he makes a mistake, its not like the NWO. Alex is not after your children, Alex does not want control over ALL of your money, Alex does not want to Kill billions of people. He’s not perfect, quit comparing him to some mythical idea of a perfect messiah that exists deep inside your subconscious mind. Who else lets you copy his DVD’s and pass them out so that the forces who would rape innocent children and torture them, the forces who would stun gun a kid with a broken back 19 times, the forces who would kill 3,000+ people to start a war and then nuke the planet with enriched uranium causing birth defects to children for the next million years or so,those forces. Look at the motives, and his methods are sound too.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am
i think the global warming/temperture change issue is something this scene should stear away from.the tempertures around the world are changing one way or another.and when the solar cycle takes off and the sun spot activity increases the tempretures around the planet will increase.what i think should be pointed out more is not that the tempreture of the planet is changing but how this phenomenon is been used by the global elite as a means of taxation and control over the masses.corperations and goverments didnt give a shit about the planet (still dont)they only started to care when they could see a profit in it and goverments could manipulate the issue to take over our lives even more
August 21st, 2008 at 11:41 am
Whoever took my post down. Thanks for being overt.
Now I know for a fact there are nazis in this organizaton too.
All hail the glorious anti-pc, anti-nwo.
Sieg Heil you hypocrite little turd.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:10 pm
To open anaylysis;You are dead on.I personaly believe Alex’s heart is in the right place,but unfortunatly the human heart is very decietfull.That is why we as humans must engage reality using all of our faculties including our ability to recieve and process information from external sources.
I wish Alex would slow down and listen to himself sometimes.The truth is that He often claims to be representing the will of the people,when in reality he is speaking for medium to large development interests who are competing with the global development interests.This is not the case one hundred percent of the time but probably seventy five percent of the time.
I can assure you that the globalists are not our only enemy.There are many smaller corperations and buisnusses ,even at the local level who seek profit at the expence of the community.Having said that ,I would also venture that there are globalist forces who are more concerned with democratic rule of the people than many non globalist enterprises.I would like to point out to Alex and his fans, that the Nuemburg trials ,which served to bring Nazi war criminals to Justice,is an example of international or should I dare say globalistic justice.My point is that mere globalisam is not nessacarly bad,in fact a global republic,or democracy desighned to serve the will of the people could at least in theory be a good thing.What is a bad thing is when any group or individual ,whether global in nature or local, seeks to impose their will on other individuals,or seeks to profit in someway at the expense of the community.I am aware of many cases where grass root enviromental groups have stood against both global and local development interests,in fact I am a member of an enviromental group here in southern Appalachia,which is making a stand against over development in these mountains which we call home,and we are apposed to drilling for oil in ANWAR.We are a local group concerned about the enviroment and its impact on the quality of human life.We do indeed have global concerns,but we are not attempting to set up a global goverment.We also believe in individual freedom,but individual freedom should not include the freedom to destroy the natural enviroment for the sake of monetary profit.While we respect private property rights we happen to believe that property rights should in fact be defined as the right of all humans ”despite financial standing”to live amongst and benifit from a healthy enviroment.I must point out that in our area that the very reason so many people moved here is being destroyed by developers touting the private property rights argument.The end result is that about 25-30 percent of the population is imposing its will on the rest of us.So much for the argument that private land ownership promotes freedom.In this case it has not,as even many of the areas wealthy landowners are very unhappy as to what is happening to this area.The reason I bring this up is that on more than one occasion I have heard Alex lamblast enviromental groups,who stand oppossed to development interests,even though many of those groups are battling it out with huge, powerfull,global corperations who are attempting to set up a global goverment desighned to serve the elite.Alex more often than not allighns enviromentalists with the globalists or the NWO, when in reality the typical enviromentalist is appossed to the globalst who openly espouse more development as being nessacary to the betterment of the human condition.Do some research and you will find that many of the more popular enviromental groups have been dubed as being terrorists,or possible terrorists,by the department of Home Land security.Is not the war on terror the invention of the globalists and the NWO?
Forgive my ranting,and please let me get back to the above article.The people who originaly proposed the theory of global warming,never said that there would never be below normal temps again! In fact, they said some places would actualy get colder.While it is true that the polar ice has expanded recently,that ice is not as thick as it should be.Also,many of the earths glaciers continue to melt rapidly,particularly those at lower elevations.One year of warming certainly does not prove or disprove any given theory,to suggest that it does is pure ignorance or propaganda.In this case both are involved.Nearly everyone I have talked to in the American south believes that the climate has changed over the past 30 years or so.Generaly speaking our climate has warmed and droughts have seemingly become more frequent and severe.Also parts of the south have expeareanced 500 and 100 year floods several times in the space of one decade.Our climate has changed,it is warmer and more extream,it sort of resembles the global warming models,but we can not be certain that those model predictions are coming true yet.What we can say is global warming is a possibility,and there is a possibility that it is at least partialy man-made.To those who say man can not change the climate ,you are wrong,very wrong!The urban heat island effect is a proven example of how man can change his climate.Anyone who has ever walked out of a forest into a cleared area,espeacialy if that area is paved has no doubt that man can change the climate.It is plain damed stupid to think that with all the land we have deforested ,paved over and built upon that we have not altered our climate at least to some degree ! It is also irrisponsiple to suggest that we do nothing to perhaps slow or reverse climate change in order to protect the profits of development interests,whether those interests be local or international.Neither the fortune 500 or the local lumber supplier who inherited 500 or 5000 acers of land,”land taken from someone else by the way”has a right to ruin the planet I live on or the community I live in.And to all you Ron Paul fans out there,I hope for all of our sake that he does not become president.He is not the freind of the common man,as you seem to believe.Of course you will not be convinced of that untill your water is poisoned,and you can not afford to go to court because of the fact that you are being forced to purchase water for your family from a private enity who is charging market value for what only nature can provide.You will not be convinced that Paul is not your hero untill you are injured on the job” thanks to deregulation”and you find your self begging for food to feed your family from the local charity,because there is no social wellfare system.Maybe when you discover that you no longer are garunteed even minimum wage and you are working three jobs without even weekends off you will understand what I am talking about.And no,I would never vote for Obama or MCain either.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Mr.Gore? Al? Any comments,Al? Where are you Al?……..
August 21st, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Well, it’s been the hottest this last decade or more
So one year slightly cooler, isn’t that great
Hey, there is climate change going on, you lose credibility when you say otherwise.
I don’t agree with these subjective BS carbon credits, but it’s getting warmer out there overall.
August 21st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
So fine, global warming is a nature-created event and there may be an ice age. But if there is an ice age, will the taxes we paid, you know, the insurance used to invest or build the commons, be used to protect or rebuild the infrastructure in case a deep freeze do occur? Or is taxes an evil thing and should be used for war, like the Bush Crime family is doing now?
August 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Of course there is climate change going on! I get sick and tired of idiots who say stupid things like ‘Hey, climate change is happening’. Of course climate change is happening! Climate change has always been happening. Diane, you are a pompous, surley, f ing idiot!
August 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Hey people have any of you heard about the whole computer outgas thing? Check out what this guy is talking about on this page. It’s kinda crazy.
http://www.rawair.net
August 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I don’t understand why people say idiotic things like ‘…you lose credibility when you say otherwise’. What the hell is that supposed to mean? How can we be affecting the climate with co2 when there are such minute concentrations in the atmosphere? It’s not possible for less than 6% carbon concentrations to be causing ‘climate change’ and if we contribute less than 2% to that, how can it be us causing it? It’s like saying ‘the bus stopped rolling down the steep hill because an ant got in the way’. It’s rediculous. It is possible that we are affecting local micro climates with deforestation etc but i’d say that the sun has a fair bit to do with it, after all the sun does heat the planet, doesn’t it? Any how the atmosphere at 40,000 feet is 40 degrees below, all the time, so we can’t be heating it up that much. It’s just common sense. That doesn’t mean we should keep on trashing the planet but climate change has nothing to do with co2, i’m sure of it. If the planet is turning into a desert, that’s our fault, for cutting all the forests down. It may also be to do with these chemicals that they are spraying into the atmosphere, i don’t know but co2, it ain’t!
August 21st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Ted, page one. How can it be for the whole year when we are only in August? That means we are less than two months into the second half of the year.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Karmakaze you’re a fool. And, unfortunately you’ve bought the great lie of global warming. Have fun paying your carbon tax you half-wit. Go back to your MSM sites and keep drinking your tap-water. In fact, why don’t you just jump off a bridge, that’s what your rulers want you to do.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Who cares whether global warming is true or not? I love driving my big ol’ obese SUV, dammit! Stop trying to interfere with my freedom, you commies!
August 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I wonder if Al Gore’s carbon credit company offers refunds at least maybe some acreage on Europa, who knows at least someday that might be valuable.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
“a strained and bias effort ”
You mean “a strained and biased effort”. The Global Warming advocates already think that sceptics (skeptics in America) are stupid. Don’t give them an opportunity to say we can’t spell, either.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
The carbon tax never made any sense to me. The amount of of carbon a car emits is directly related to how much it consumes. So… JUST TAX GAS MORE YOU INVALIDS!
Better yet… develop Zeropoint Energy and usher the next epoch in human civilization. read more here: http://www.theorionproject.org
August 21st, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Connor posted this link on another thread, so with apologies to him, I shall repost it here:
“Temperatures are continuing to rise
The rise in global surface temperature has averaged more than 0.15 °C per decade since the mid-1970s. Warming has been unprecedented in at least the last 50 years, and the 17 warmest years have all occurred in the last 20 years. This does not mean that next year will necessarily be warmer than last year, but the long-term trend is for rising temperatures.
A simple mathematical calculation of the temperature change over the latest decade (1998-2007) alone shows a continued warming of 0.1 °C per decade. The warming trend can be seen in the graph of observed global temperatures. The red bars show the global annual surface temperature, which exhibit year-to-year variability. The blue line clearly shows the upward trend, far greater than the uncertainties, which are shown as thin black bars. The recent slight slowing of the warming is due to a shift towards more-frequent La Niña conditions in the Pacific since 1998. These bring cool water up from the depths of the Pacific Ocean, cooling global temperatures.”
“1998 saw an exceptional El Niño event which contributed strongly to that record-breaking year. Research shows that an exceptional El Niño can warm global temperatures by about 0.2 °C in a single year, affecting both the ocean surface and air temperatures over land. Had any recent years experienced such an El Niño, it is very likely that this record would have been broken. 2005 was also an unusually warm year, the second highest in the global record, but was not associated with El Niño conditions that boosted the warmth of 1998.
Another way of looking at the warming trend is that 1999 was a similar year to 2007 as far the cooling effects of La Niña are concerned. The 1999 global temperature was 0.26 °C above the 1961-90 average, whereas 2007 was 0.37 °C above this average, 0.11 °C warmer than 1999.”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/co.....ths/2.html
This is the SAME data that Watson claims shows a cooling trend. He is a lying BASTARD.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Well — WMO wouldn’t lie… so it must have been a bit cool… but of course — that HAS to happen… you dont’ expect every year to be warmer than the last — whether you believe in global warming or not –the ‘inconvenient truth’ SURELY is that as the world’s population comes to grips with climate change disasters, it will become necessary to apply selectivity to resource allocation.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:05 pm
This is an absurdity! It can be explained easily through kindergarten mathematics. In a set of 5 numbers (n1 to n5) each distinct, there will exist a number that will be the lowest of that set (ie n1<n2<n3<n4<n5)
Those 5 numbers can be diproportionately high, yet of course there will be one number which is the lowest of the lot.
Silly
August 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Don’t expect every year. Of course, a warming trend over a decade would be nice to convince me there is some grand global warming.
Of course, the ussualy wanna be climatoligist will step forward with some report of global means going up, ice shelves melting, blah blah blah. Call it climate change, stress a need for better pollution and conservation standards, enjoy your 80 degree august like i am, and call it the day.
Plant a tree then write a book about it. Be a Gorenanite.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Here is a direct link to Nasa GISS info. For me, the next 2-3 yrs will be pivital.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 am
“This is an absurdity!”
Seconded. Why are you peddling such obvious garbage Karmakaze. Not desperate for figures are you by any chance.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar...../index.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar.....windle.htm
and then check out the vaccines thread. I think you may be brain damaged:
http://video.google.com/videop.....0451107552
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 am
Hey Karmakaze, you are a piece of shit shill. Go hang with your Obama-bot, Al bore buddies who you take your marching orders from. Better yet why don’t you just find a nice tall-short bridge and take a long walk.
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Gee, the “Earth Hour/Justice people completely ignore Chemtrails, HAARP, depleted uranium from our never-ending wars and fluoridated water. There’s still a few Superfund sites waiting to cleaned up in the U.S, but some corporations have been shirking this.
There’s a whole category of people suffering from Gulf War Syndrome, Agent Orange most of the time and MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) is also completely ignored.
As far as MCS, we had to learn the hard way about the drug/chemical companies who told doctors we were psychosomatic lazy malingerers. We also learned about the likes of Stephen Barrett (Quackwatch), Ronald Gotts, Michael Fumento (Hudson Institute), Elaine Showalter, Elizabeth Whelan and Steven Milloy.
And of course, the favorit ploy of MSM is to ignore us for a while, ….but,…every so often to remind the SHEEPLE we’re psysomatic lazy malingers, they periodically do a story to remind the SHEEPLE of our Psych condition. (we must not the SHEEPLE forget about this, eh)?
They never, ever talk about Martin Pall’s work of missing or low enzymes nor the possibility of a damaged blood-barrier or CNS system.
Not one word is breathed in our defense at all! We’re just left to twist in the wind and fend for ourselves.
Let’s not forget the 9/11 people who fell ill from the contamination and who were reassured by Christine Todd Whitman of the EPA that the air was fine.
The final straw to me is that not even the Environtal groups will stand up in defense for anyone with MCS, Gulf War Syndrome, Agent Orange.
Another comment is the environmental groups are haranging us for Global warming and the “Carbon Footprint,” but the funny thing is, they’re completely ignoring China. MY, isn’t their air quality fantastic?
Lastly, what about the U.S. carbon footprint? How do we improve that when there is relentless immigration (both legal and illegal)with chain migration and high birth rates amongst illegal aliens (thanks to free births, WIC, etc benefits, Free school, Comidas Gratis, the DREAM Act, etc)…..Wow, what a brilliant idea…the ‘Earth JUSTICE/HOUR/Club of Rome people complain about overpopulation, but completely ignore this as well.
Just think, the U.S. population of the late 60s/70s were herangued about overpopulation (we were given movies like Soylent Green, Roller Ball, Logan’s Run) and a couple of Star Trek episodes on overpopulation.
Many of us listened, but then we find out about pro-illegal aliens ridiculing and telling us: We’re a dying nation, we’re not not making babies anymore. It’s our duty to die.”
I am very environmentally oriented and recycled long before it was promoted, but with myself being ill with MCS and ignored by the likes of you, I have to say to you “EARTH JUSTICE/HOUR people,” you are beyond evil when you ignore all this. Go fly a kite in an electrical storm. Make sure you’re good and wet and have metal on you. I don’t care whether it’s from your watch, golf clubs and rivets on your jeans.
I myself am tired of being ill and being discredited and ridiculed and left to fend for myself, thanks to people like the so-called environmentalists.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
@Nick
“How can we be affecting the climate with co2 when there are such minute concentrations in the atmosphere?”
Well, if you had ANY knowledge of what you are talking about (and thus some credibility) you would know it is because Greenhouse Gases interact strongly with infrared radiation, while non-Greenhouse Gases that make up the vast majority of the atmosphere don’t.
So, firstly, once you realise that oxygen and nitrogen gases (O2 and N2) are essentially invisible to radiation, and thus are not involved in the Greenhouse Effect, you see that OUR contribution to the total Greenhouse Effect of CO2 is actually over 25% and thus very large.
Mars has 957,200ppm of CO2 in its atmosphere, but because the TOTAL CO2 in its atmosphere is MUCH LOWER than on Earth, it’s Greenhouse Effect is very weak. Venus has a similar atmospheric CO2 concentration (965,000ppm) but because the TOTAL CO2 in the atmosphere is huge, it has an incredible Greenhouse Effect that makes Venus HOTTER than Mercury!
Just as an indication of the different amounts of atmospheric CO2 we are talking about. Mars has a surface pressure (which is affected by gravity and total atmosphere) of 700 to 900 Pascal, Earth has 101,300 Pascal and Venus has 9,300,000 Pascal. This leads to a mean surface temperature of Mars being -46 Degrees Celsius, Earth is +14 Degrees Celsius, and Venus is +462.8 Degrees Celsius. As you can see, as the TOTAL atmospheric GHG’s increase, so does mean temperature, regardless of actual concentration.
So, once again the Greenhouse Effect is determined by the total amount of GHG’s in the atmosphere, not by the total amount of atmosphere, and we have SIGNIFICANTLY changed the TOTAL amount of GHG’s in our atmosphere (over 25% higher).
“It’s not possible for less than 6% carbon concentrations to be causing ‘climate change’ and if we contribute less than 2% to that, how can it be us causing it?”
It IS possible, and in fact as I have said we have contributed over 25% of atmospheric CO2. The <2% number you are referring to is our part of annual EMISSIONS, not total concentration. Nature BALANCED the CO2 cycle with sinks (plants using it for photosynthesis, and being dissolved in oceans for example) resulting in pretty much all CO2 emissions being absorbed BUT that was BEFORE we started pumping gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. The sinks just can’t keep up with the EXTRA CO2 that WE emit over and above the natural sources. We have CHANGED the balance of emissions vs sinks, and thus we are responsible for the increase of CO2 concentration.
This has been confirmed by analysis of the Carbon isotopes making up the atmospheric CO2. Plants prefer one of the isotopes of Carbon, so by measuring the relative quantities of that isotope in atmospheric CO2, we can determine what percentage came from the burning of plant materials (as found in fossil fuels). This ratio confirms numbers calculated from anthropogenic CO2 emissions and shows that just over half of the CO2 we emit is absorbed back into the sinks, but the rest is NOT absorbed and thus raises atmospheric concentration.
Why do you think that tens of thousands of scientists would not ask a basic question like yours? They asked it decades ago, and they found the answer (as I outlined above). The liars and deniers try to keep you ignorant of basic facts like that, because if you knew and understood ALL of the science, you would laugh them right off this site.
“It’s like saying ‘the bus stopped rolling down the steep hill because an ant got in the way’.”
No, it is like saying the perfectly balance see-saw toppled because 1% more weight was on one end than the other. Balance is precarious. A see-saw could have a million tons on each end, but if you add ONE more ton to ONE end, it topples. Does that mean that one ton is heavier than a million tons? No! It means a million AND one tons is heavier than a million tons.
That is exactly how the sources and sinks of CO2 work. They WERE balanced. BILLIONS of TONS of CO2 were emitted from natural sources each year, and BILLIONS of TONS were absorbed into natural sinks each year. The balance was so perfect that atmospheric CO2 did not change by more than 10ppm in thousands of years. Then we came along and added a few more billion tons per year, AND we took away a few billion tons worth of sinks (deforestation for example) and thus the balance toppled.
These are simple concepts that even kids on a see-saw soon figure out.
“It is possible that we are affecting local micro climates with deforestation etc but i’d say that the sun has a fair bit to do with it, after all the sun does heat the planet, doesn’t it?”
Yes, it does. Unfortunately for your hypothesis though, the variation in solar radiation hitting Earth, from its maximum to its minimum, is less than 0.1%. That variation is NOWHERE NEAR enough to account for the warming seen. On top of that, Solar radiation has DECLINED slightly over the last 50 years, during which time 1/3 of all warming occurred. Unless you are saying a COLDER Sun can lead to a HOTTER Earth, then the Sun is NOT responsible for Global Warming. Good try though.
“Any how the atmosphere at 40,000 feet is 40 degrees below, all the time, so we can’t be heating it up that much.”
Jesus, what a boneheaded thing to say. Just to play along, if the temperature at 40,000 feet was exactly -41 Degrees Celsius, and we warmed it by ONE DEGREE, how warm would it be? Why -40 Degrees! We made it warmer, but it’s still cold? How can THAT be? Only an idiot couldn’t figure it out!
“That doesn’t mean we should keep on trashing the planet but climate change has nothing to do with co2, i’m sure of it.”
And I am POSITIVE you are an ignorant fool. I’m right, and you’re wrong!
“It may also be to do with these chemicals that they are spraying into the atmosphere, i don’t know but co2, it ain’t!”
You believe in “chemtrails” based on a few photos, but don’t believe in AGW despite mountains of SCIENTIFIC evidence? It turns out I was wrong. You aren’t an ignorant fool. You’re a retard!
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@Hemmy Hamner
“Karmakaze you’re a fool.”
No, YOU’RE a fool. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and then think you can call others “a fool”. Retard. Go get an education, you need one!
“Have fun paying your carbon tax you half-wit.”
Go fuck yourself idiot. A Carbon Tax is just the bullshit policy the elites are using (note, they haven’t actually made a Carbon Tax) to fool ignorant arseholes like you into HELPING THEM screw us all over. Well done for being a traitor. Your grandchildren will be proud. Retard.
“Go back to your MSM sites and keep drinking your tap-water. In fact, why don’t you just jump off a bridge, that’s what your rulers want you to do.”
Retard. YOU are the one helping them to throw us “off the bridge”. You are the Kapo (look it up, retard) to their Camp Guards. You’re a pathetic excuse for a human being. Just keep thinking about your wallet, idiot, while they screw you and the rest of us over.
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@Frogz
“Don’t expect every year. Of course, a warming trend over a decade would be nice to convince me there is some grand global warming.”
If you had read my comment just before yours, you would have seen:
“A simple mathematical calculation of the temperature change over the latest decade (1998-2007) alone shows a continued warming of 0.1 °C per decade.”
“Another way of looking at the warming trend is that 1999 was a similar year to 2007 as far the cooling effects of La Niña are concerned. The 1999 global temperature was 0.26 °C above the 1961-90 average, whereas 2007 was 0.37 °C above this average, 0.11 °C warmer than 1999.”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/co.....ths/2.html
This is the SAME UK Met Office, and the SAME HadCRUT3 data that Watson is lying about showing a cooling trend over the last decade. He is an idiot and a liar. If you believe him then YOU are a retard.
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@Frogz 2
“Here is a direct link to Nasa GISS info. For me, the next 2-3 yrs will be pivital.”
Well, that data ALSO shows that the last decade has WARMED. There is a plateau over the last two years because of La Nina (which brings a lowering of global mean temperature - in this case about 0.03 Degrees Celsius) but once it is over, the trend will continue upwards.
Of course, in two years time all you idiots will be saying “we never said the world was cooling” just like all you idiots said “we never said the world wasn’t warming” a few years ago.
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@Cruise4
“Seconded. Why are you peddling such obvious garbage Karmakaze. Not desperate for figures are you by any chance.”
Watson said that the UK Met Office HadCRUT3 data showed a cooling trend over the last decade. The UK Met Office PROVED that its HadCRUT3 data has in fact shown a WARMING trend over the last decade. Watson LIED. It’s THAT SIMPLE. He, and YOU are the ones that have no “figures” to back up your bullshit claims.
You are truly an idiot if you think that bullshit “documentary” is more relevant than THE ACTUAL DATA. No, I take that back. You are a TOTAL RETARD. Go back to school, and this time try to stay awake during science class.
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@Chris
Hey Chris, you are a George Bush, NWO, arse kissing retarded son of a bitch. You are a TRAITOR. Go fuck yourself.
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@Roxan
“Another comment is the environmental groups are haranging us for Global warming and the “Carbon Footprint,” but the funny thing is, they’re completely ignoring China. MY, isn’t their air quality fantastic?”
China emits much less CO2 per head of population than the US. In fact, even though China has a population of 1.3 BILLION the US produces MORE CO2 in total! The US produces 6,049,435,000 Tons of CO2 each year, China and Taiwan combined produce 5,010,170,000 Tons!
In fact, the US makes up only 4.5% of the world population, but produces 22% of annual anthropogenic CO2 emissions. China makes up 20% of the world’s population and yet only produces 18% of annual anthropogenic CO2 emissions.
Stop listening to liars and deniers, they LIE about EVERYTHING.
“Lastly, what about the U.S. carbon footprint? How do we improve that when there is relentless immigration (both legal and illegal)with chain migration and high birth rates amongst illegal aliens (thanks to free births, WIC, etc benefits, Free school, Comidas Gratis, the DREAM Act, etc)”
You retard. Immigration has NOTHING to do with “Carbon Footprint”! Every country in the world has a smaller “carbon footprint” than the US, even China which has four times as many people as the US.
You are a retarded idiot, and based on your seemingly incredible ability to blame ALL ills on immigration, probably a racist one as well.
“I myself am tired of being ill and being discredited and ridiculed and left to fend for myself, thanks to people like the so-called environmentalists.”
I’m not surprised you are tired of being discredited - you are a retard, and no one takes retards seriously!
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August 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Al Gore is the biggest scam artist of the year on global warming!!!
He is a member of “The Club Of Rome” created in 1968 for the purpose of selling global warming to the world. In other words to scam all of us into believing that we are creating it when in fact, just the opposite is happening. Mother Nature is really screwing with Al!!! It’s hilarious!!! The earth is cooling down while Al lies through his teeth to the world . He is vested in many aspects of the global waeming scam and stands to make millions of our backs…just like all the crooked polticians do.
Al…I can’t wait to hear how your going to talk your way out of this one!!!!!LOL
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Just a minor point about an error in the article but I think it’s worth making since it’s not the first time it’s appeared. The UK Daily Mail article cited to support the view that “Britain suffered its coldest April in decades” was actually published on the 25th of March. It refers only to the UK having its coldest Easter in decades, not especially surprising since it was the earliest Easter for nearly a century. To mistakenly use this source once is excusable but to repeat it is less so. It does nothing for the credibility of the reporting.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:53 pm
I WISH! It’s HOT AS HELL here in Dallas! Seriously though, I’ve noticed the temps are in the low and mid ninties instead of just above 100.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
@KickerConspiracy
I’m not surprised at all. In fact I would be surprised if a lie like that DIDN’T feature front and center in a Paul Watson article. He even forced the Armagh Observatory to waste time correcting some of his previous bullshit:
“A letter to the Belfast Telegraph, published on 2008 August 13th (link) has been picked up by other sites who give the impression that it represents the views of the Armagh Observatory. We do not know of any evidence based on Armagh observations (whether solar or meteorological) that predicts an imminent drop in global temperatures of two degrees C, nor do we know the author of the letter to the Belfast Telegraph. Peer-reviewed publications referring to the Observatory’s climate data can be found at climate.arm.ac.uk.”
http://star.arm.ac.uk/press/2008/Aug-22.html
August 27th, 2008 at 6:11 am
dear mr gore.
i hear you need a new job.
i hear pakistan are hireing
August 28th, 2008 at 2:00 am
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Arctic ice cap keeps melting under the effects of global warming and in August saw its second largest summer shrinkage since satellite observations began 30 years ago, US scientists said.
Measurements on August 26 showed an ice cap of 5.26 million square kilometers (2.03 million square miles), just below the 5.32 million square kilometers (2.05 million square miles) observed on 21 September 2005, making it the second biggest summer Arctic ice-cap melt in history, said the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).
Since the start of August, the Boulder, Colorado-based center said, the Arctic polar cap shrank by 2.06 million square kilometers (0.8 million square miles).
The melting is so fast and extensive it could shrink the ice cap to below the 4.25 million square kilometers (1.64 million square miles) reached in the summer of 2007, the smallest it has ever been observed by satellites, the center said.
Since the end of the Arctic summer and the start of the freezing autumn is several weeks away, it said, the ice cap could dwindle even more than it did in 2007.
At the end of northern hemisphere summer 2007, the Arctic ice cap was 40 percent smaller than the average 7.23 million square kilometers (2.8 million square miles) observed in 1979-2000, the NSIDC said.
The North Pole melting season begins in mid-June. The ice cap shrinks to its smallest area by mid-September and grows the most in winter by mid-March.
“The bottom line, however, is that the strong negative trend in summertime ice extent characterizing the past decade continues,” the Center said in a report.
The North Pole itself could even become free of ice by September for the first time in modern history, setting a new milestone in the effects of global warming on the Arctic ice shelf, NSIDC glaciologist Mark Serreze told AFP in late June.
“We could have no ice at the North Pole at the end of this summer. And the reason here is that the North Pole area right now is covered with very thin ice, and this ice we call ‘first-year ice,’ the ice that tends to melt out in the summer,” he explained.
Serrreze said the possibility the ice cap could vanish stood at 50 percent.
If it does happen in September, he added, “it’s possible that ships could sail from Alaska right to the North Pole”.
The Arctic has been free of ice in the geologic history of the Earth, but never in modern history, Serreze said.
“Clearly, if you look over what we have seen in the past three years and where we were headed, we are in … this long-term decline and we may have no ice at all in the Arctic Ocean in summer by 2030 or so,” he added.
Not long ago, he said, the summer disappearance of the Arctic ice was predicted to happen between 2050 and 2100.
The NSIDC said the receding North Pole ice sheet was chiefly caused by the melting of ice in the Chukchi Sea, off the Alaskan coast, and the East Siberian Seas, off the coast of eastern Russia.
The Chukchi ice sheet is one of the natural habitats of the polar bear, where it hunts for seals, and its disappearance is a direct threat to the animal’s survival.
The vanishing summer polar ice cap, however, also opens up the fabled Northwest Passage that winds through the northern Canadian islands and links the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
Shipping routes using the Northwest Passage would spare very long detours through the Panama Canal and around South America’s Cape Horn.
An ice-free North Pole would also expose untold wealth of natural resources, including oil and natural gas, locked up beneath the Arctic Ocean waters, which Canada and Russia are already eagerly preparing to exploit.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
No global warming for around 10 years.
Temps for the 90’s reduced after an audit of weather stations found huge errors, one so bad it was hotter in winter!
NASA contacted, checked figs and realisd they had re-instated the wrong data screen after the millenium bug scare.
Outcome of all this is temp records down all round and 1930’s reverts to the hottest decade.
Aqua satellite launched 2002 and found no hotspots in Troposphere as the inter-action between CO2/water vapour and cloud formation happens at low levels and does not create the high cirrus clouds which trap the heat.
The whole thing has fallen apart and Sun Cycle 24 has yet to start producing sun spots.
Cooling widely predicted…Maunder Minimum on the horizon.
Cold winters all round and we have just had another lousy summer in the UK.
On top of this the Oceanographers are increasigly of the view that there are localised issues such as current flow and salt content that affect the polar regions. For instance there was no snow in Greenland circa 850AD to 1350AD…it was so warm the Vikings lived there…and called it Greenland because it was covered in grass.
The AGW’s removed this from the history books in their now infamous “hockey stick” graph.
Slayed by Steve McIntyr..the guy who sorted out the NASA problem as mentioned above.
Thefeore with no hotspots found by Aqua this should be the beggining of the end of the AGW lunacy.
As regards the over educated moron who can name every ppm of CO2 that ever showed up on any planet…you are talking bollocks.
It does not matter…your theory has been pulled apart by Aqua and you can stuff your green taxes where a monkey puts his nuts.
Idiots like you caused Bio-fuel panic which has left millions starving.
Long term we need to move from oil anyway and hydrogen based engines seem a good bet but that would be solving a problem and thus ending an excuse for green taxes.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
@james griffin
“No global warming for around 10 years.”
BULLSHIT.
“A simple mathematical calculation of the temperature change over the latest decade (1998-2007) alone shows a continued warming of 0.1 °C per decade. The warming trend can be seen in the graph of observed global temperatures. The red bars show the global annual surface temperature, which exhibit year-to-year variability. The blue line clearly shows the upward trend, far greater than the uncertainties, which are shown as thin black bars. The recent slight slowing of the warming is due to a shift towards more-frequent La Niña conditions in the Pacific since 1998. These bring cool water up from the depths of the Pacific Ocean, cooling global temperatures.”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/co.....ths/2.html
“Outcome of all this is temp records down all round and 1930’s reverts to the hottest decade.”
BULLSHIT.
“Finally, we note that a minor data processing error found in the GISS temperature analysis in early 2007 does not affect the present analysis. The data processing flaw was failure to apply NOAA adjustments to United States Historical Climatology Network stations in 2000-2006, as the records for those years were taken from a different data base (Global Historical Climatology Network). This flaw affected only 1.6% of the Earth’s surface (contiguous 48 states) and only the several years in the 21st century. As shown in Figure 4 and discussed elsewhere, the effect of this flaw was immeasurable globally (~0.003°C) and small even in its limited area. Contrary to reports in certain portions of the media, the data processing flaw did not alter the ordering of the warmest years on record. Obviously the global ranks were unaffected. In the contiguous 48 states the statistical tie among 1934, 1998 and 2005 as the warmest year(s) was unchanged. In the current analysis, in the flawed analysis, and in the published GISS analysis (Hansen et al. 2001), 1934 is the warmest year in the contiguous states (not globally) but by an amount (magnitude of the order of 0.01°C) that is an order of magnitude smaller than the uncertainty.”
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
“Aqua satellite launched 2002 and found no hotspots in Troposphere as the inter-action between CO2/water vapour and cloud formation happens at low levels and does not create the high cirrus clouds which trap the heat.”
BULLSHIT.
Christy and Spencer released an analysis claiming that the troposphere was not warming near the tropics as predicted. This they called the “hotspot” and “AGW fingerprint”. It turns out their data was flawed, and when corrected DID show the expected warming in the troposphere above the tropics.
“A curious puzzle in the study of climate science has been solved, and that solution is helping scientists at The University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH) make the satellite record of global climate change more reliable than it was previously.
Research published this week by Carl Mears and Frank Wentz of Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) in Santa Rosa, Calif., identifies a problem that kept the UAH group from accurately correcting one error caused by NOAA satellites drifting in their orbits over the past 26 years.
The net result of changes in how the data are analyzed added about 0.09 C (about 0.16 degrees Fahrenheit) of global warming over the past 26 years, with most of that previously unreported warming occurring in the tropics.”
“”We’ve been pleased with the level of agreement between the two datasets, indicating a high degree of consistency,” said Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at UAH. “Over the years, however, we noticed that the satellite data didn’t seem to agree quite as well with balloon data from the tropics as it did with balloon data from other parts of the globe.”
(Note that after the error was exposed, THEN Spencer talked about how they had noticed that their tropics data was faulty - it didn’t stop them making the claim that their data proved AGW was false though!)
“”While some people might question the importance of a correction that changes the long term trend by only 0.035 C per decade, for us the most important thing is to produce a climate dataset that is as accurate and reliable as humanly possible,” Christy said. “Roy and I would argue that the political debate over climate issues should always be driven by the data, not the other way around.”"
(And yet they say they knew THEIR DATA WAS FAULTY but they still used it to drive forward their political agenda!)
“”It is fairly obvious that some portion of this warming is probably due to human influences,” said Spencer. “What isn’t clear is how much or which influences.”"
http://www.uah.edu/news/newsread.php?newsID=60
The fact is, the “hotpot” is there, and these two scientists have had to admit that. Now they are arguing about the magnitude of the warming. It seems that it doesn’t matter what they find, the answer is ALWAYS AGW is not real. If their data shows no warming - AGW is not real. If their data shows warming - AGW is not real. No matter what, the answer never changes.
“The whole thing has fallen apart and Sun Cycle 24 has yet to start producing sun spots.”
BULLSHIT.
Solar Cycle 24 has produced sunspots in fact as early as January this year!
“Cooling widely predicted…Maunder Minimum on the horizon.”
BULLSHIT.
Cooling has been “predicted” by very few scientists (in fact only two that I know of, in a paper that was rejected at peer review because the data could not support the conclusion)
All the rest has been bullshit published by bullshit artists, and not even very many of them!
“For instance there was no snow in Greenland circa 850AD to 1350AD…it was so warm the Vikings lived there…and called it Greenland because it was covered in grass.”
BULLSHIT.
The warming during that period resulted in less sea ice, which allowed some vikings to make a journey to the southern most tip of Greenland which was not covered by ice. The Greenland ice cap did not melt, and climactic conditions were no different then than they are today. Greenland was occupied both before and after the vikings by paleo-eskimo cultures. What happened to the vikings was a result of their refusal to adopt the local seafood based diet, and resulted in them destroying the little greenery in their area by attempting to graze cattle. They failed.
“The AGW’s removed this from the history books in their now infamous “hockey stick” graph.”
BULLSHIT.
“Slayed by Steve McIntyr..the guy who sorted out the NASA problem as mentioned above.”
BULLSHIT.
The “hockey stick” was not “slayed”! In fact McIntyre made serious errors in his critique, resulting in him discarding over 2/3rds of the data before he was able to come up with a graph that differed from Mann’s! In other words, he only got a different graph, by using a different dataset!
“Thefeore with no hotspots found by Aqua this should be the beggining of the end of the AGW lunacy.”
BULLSHIT.
“It does not matter…your theory has been pulled apart by Aqua and you can stuff your green taxes where a monkey puts his nuts.”
BULLSHIT.
You are conflating the science with the policy. Just because YOU don’t like the policy (neither do I) that doesn’t mean the science is wrong. It isn’t.
“Idiots like you caused Bio-fuel panic which has left millions starving.”
BULLSHIT.
That was caused by corporate farms thinking they could make more money from fuel than from food. That has nothing to do with AGW, and besides “millions starving” is hyperbolic bullshit.
“Long term we need to move from oil anyway and hydrogen based engines seem a good bet but that would be solving a problem and thus ending an excuse for green taxes.”
Which is EXACTLY what I have been saying all along. Carbon Taxes and Carbon Credits are simply the elites way of avoiding paying for the mess they made, AND has the added benefit of making idiots like you deny the science because of the policy.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
This shows the foolishness of making long term predictions based on short term trends.
http://forum.iburncorn.com/vie.....dd81#97728
Clearly there is no data to challenge the established warming trend.