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9/11 Commission Counsel: Government Agreed to Lie About 9/11
New book from man tasked by government to help investigate attacks unveils how “official story is almost entirely untrue”
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
The senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission – John Farmer – says that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11, echoing the assertions of fellow 9/11 Commission members who concluded that the Pentagon were engaged in deliberate deception about their response to the attack.
Farmer served as Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (officially known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States), and is also a former New Jersey Attorney General.
Farmer’s book about his experiences working for the Commission is entitled The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11, and is set to be released in September.
The book unveils how “the public had been seriously misled about what occurred during the morning of the attacks,” and Farmer himself states that “at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened.”
Only the very naive would dispute that an agreement not to tell the truth is an agreement to lie. Farmer’s contention is that the government agreed to create a phony official version of events to cover-up the real story behind 9/11.
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The publisher of the book, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, states that, “Farmer builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version not only is almost entirely untrue but serves to create a false impression of order and security.”
In August 2006, the Washington Post reported, “Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon’s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.”
The report revealed how the 10-member commission deeply suspected deception to the point where they considered referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation.
“We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us,” said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. “It was just so far from the truth. . . . It’s one of those loose ends that never got tied.”
John Farmer
Farmer himself is quoted in the Post article, stating, “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
As we also reported in August 2006, released portions of NORAD tapes from 9/11, which were featured in a Vanity Fair article, do little to answer skeptic’s questions about the impotence of U.S. air defenses on 9/11 and if anything only increase focus on the incompatibility of the official version of events with what is actually known to have taken place on that day.
Make no mistake, Farmer is not saying that 9/11 was an inside job, however, Farmer’s testimony, along with that of his fellow 9/11 Commission members, conclusively demonstrates that, whatever really happened on 9/11, the official story as told to the public on the day and that which remains the authorities’ version of events today, is a lie – according to the very people who were tasked by the government to investigate it. This is a fact that no debunker or government apologist can ever legitimately deny.
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April 14th, 2009 at 5:39 am
This is strange. The article says the book is published tomorrow. The publisher is Houghton Muffin, a major player in the American and British publishing industry. But the book is not listed on amazon.com. It is listed on amazon.co.uk, but is advertised as being unavailable because it will not be published until May 2010. A google search shows that there are just five references to it on the whole of the web. Either this article has got the facts wrong, and the book will indeed be published next year and not tomorrow, in which case the lack of references on the Web would make sense. Or there is some serious censorship going on.
PDADDY Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
James, please go back to school and learn to read. Better yet tell your masters of disinfo they will have to try a different forum like FOX as there are no patriots to be out FOXed here.
“Farmer’s book about his experiences working for the Commission is entitled The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11, and is set to be released in September”
Dragon's Eye Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Now! Now! Let’s “play nicely” with the little ignoramus. He can’t help it.
jones Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 8:03 am
This guy should be hung by his balls like the rest of them for not coming with the thruth sooner.Dont buy the book.We already know.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Great article.
Birgid Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I so agree – great article.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:43 am
A Government Lies to it’s PEOPLE to cover-up the truth.
The truth about 911 will destroy the guilty…
matt Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I agree, and I dont know how they can face them selfs in the mirror everyday and know that their day is coming like the rest of us.
fred nerk Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
absolute power corrupts absolutely-they have no morals or conscience-wouldn’t it be nice if they looked in the mirror everyday and saw nothing
RightofRush Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Here is version voiced by a senior Nixson official: “power corrupts, and absolute power is really neat”.
Ron Paul Revere Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
“You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man’s freedom. You can only be free if I am free.” – Clarence Seward Darrow
April 14th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Ill write it, one lie to cover up more lies? Between main stream media and hiding truth in the corner and the light catching up, and those we trust within, it is like a big funhouse, going round and round. I agreed to finish my task ten years ago, a lie then and a bigger lie now, but we know the truth and you can to… http://www.shannonkellyfilms.com Thanks Alex.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:58 am
http://www.amazon.com/Ground-T.....amp;sr=1-2
April 14th, 2009 at 6:06 am
The book is on Amazon.com, it’s been sold on the Canadian site:
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0151013764
April 14th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Ah yes, so it published in Canada tomorrow, the US in September, and the UK in May 2010… Thanks for clarification.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:28 am
When one lie is discovered, another is told.
Will the people accept that their Government has betrayed them, on numerous levels?
OR
Will the people accept the next lie that will be told…that their Government lied to them to protect them.
bonkers Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 am
it depends on what you mean by people. sheepeople will believe every single lie till their head blows up.
alex hidel Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
People will send their sons and daughters to a resource war and demand their casket not to be filmed for left wing would “Exploit their death” or actually count caskets and give people real Numbers of dead backed by photos that Bush made classified Top Secret like everything else including 88 tapes of Pentagram attack, Bush/Cheney closed 911 testimony without sworn oath.
Bush/Cheney would never exploit a death like “Pat Tillman”
That what left wing does…….LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Everyone do what I have been doing. Go to Yahoo Answers. And ask questions and post links to truth articles/videos. We need to flood YAnswers with these articles. Please.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:54 am
So it looks like the 9/11 trail leads back to Jolly Old England! No censorship in Canada, a little arm twisting in the US, and a virtual stranglehold in the UK. That is pare for the course. I know of two best sellers in Ireland and China that were never published in the US. The one from China is “Currency Wars”
From the Financial Times
By Richard McGregor in Beijing
Published: September 25 2007
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/70f2.....fd2ac.html
“In a new Chinese best-seller, Currency Wars , these disparate events spanning two centuries have a single root cause: the control of money issuance through history by the Rothschild banking dynasty.
Even today, claims author Song Hongbing, the US Federal Reserve remains a puppet of private banks, which also ultimately owe their allegiance to the ubiquitous Rothschilds.”
Dwayne Stevens Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
The Rothschilds bought up all the major book printing companies in the US by 1911.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:44 am
not to be a killjoy, but… this also serves the effort to use, once again, the ol’ “incompetence” limited-hangout. I.e., to the question, “gee, what’s the Pentagon up to?”, the Pentagon, if it were ever pressed, could answer, “Aw, shucks, we were just trying to hide the fact that we were so darned incompetent that day”. The “incompetence” defense has worked like a charm on the sheeple who refuse to believe that THEIR country could do the despicable things that, despite being well documented, never make it into the mainstream consciousness. They would be quite satisfied that “incompetence” was all the Pentagon was trying to hide, and never give it a second thought.
you win! Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:56 am
bingo, and thats why Farmer is putting this book out. you win the “insightful” prize of the day. Expect more and more of this as more and more people wake up to the 9/11 fraud. you are not a killjoy at all, you are rational. all roads lead back to Israel(and a select few traitors in our own government) when it comes to the 9/11 false flag. Dov Zakheim is the real “mastermind”.
Dwayne Stevens Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Actually, Israel is a pawn too. The Rothschilds and other Jewish banking families are a front for the Vatican. I’ve been to Israel and most Jews there would be lower middle-class by American standards. There are always a few Jews who will sell out their own people for profit. Vespasian could have never conquered Jerusalem without turncoat Jews.
Dragon's Eye Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Let’s not forget about the 1917 Balfour Declaration which was written by Rothschilds’ agents overseen by the very Lord Walter Rothschild himself! Good queue!!!
Israel just happens to be a power base for the Rothschilds’ Grand Plan! Even former Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Perez called for Jerusalem to become the “World’s Capitol”!
WM COOPER Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Yes Dwayne, the Vatican is the puppet master, they just have a few Jewish lackies who get paid well to take the heat for them.
Follow the birdie: Satanism -> Paganism-> Catholic Pope-> Various Papal Knight organizations -> Jesuits-> Counter-reformation/Inquisition -> Illuminati/Freemasonry/Secret-Societies -> NAZI’s -> CIA -> 9-11 … -> USA Inquisition Next.
Pay attention you hoodwinked “truth seekers” to the real enemy.
you win! Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:01 am
consider the source. this is like Kean and HAmiltons disinfo book. it serves the official story if even on the surface it comes off as “hard hitting”. it is anything but. it is simply damage control. but its also a good sign. when you have insiders like this performing damage control you know the official story is really hurting. “Government agreed to lie!”……..about more than this tool will ever tell us. Farmer sees how many people are waking up and now he is covering his own ass. It would have meant more if this tool came out during the Commission and pointed out how one man with obviously dishonest motives- Zelikow, was controlling the entire thing. Farmer is covering his own ass and performing damage control just like Kean and Hamilton tried to do some time ago. it wont work. we will never stop.
Dwayne Stevens Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Agreed. The illuminati own the Houghton publishing company. They consolidated all of the book printing in the country at the turn of the 20th century in coordination with Texas oil/banking interests. Don’t be surprised to see Texas trying to secede from the Union again. Keep the pressure up. These people will turn on each other eventually. It’s not in their nature to be honorable.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:47 am
what and who are the Rothschild is my question to yahoo answers, and I add some truth links
April 14th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Anyone who was awake enough in high-school physics or who even took physics for non-majors in college should watch the youtube videos on ‘911 Coincidences’ or the very scientific video by the world’s architects and engineers (5000 of them signed off on the content) on ae911Truth.org. You can’t come away after watching either without believing that the events of 911 were anything but planned demolition. After people believe and understand that their governments would deliberately murder 3000 Americans, it doesn’t take much more to convince them that there are planet inhabitants who do firmly believe that they are members of the ruling class who should inherit the planet and that the means to do it is through one-world-government and then depopulation of the useless eaters. Too bad for all of mankind because once these tyrants gain control, it will be total and forever. Politicians then are useless and there will be no one left except the rich to go after. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:37 am
The overwhelming majority of experts in the fields applicable to your nuttball theories regarding 9/11 support the official reasoning given for the collapse of the towers. Nothing about the collapse of the WTC’s and the attack on the Pentagon defys any physics laws.
The fact the government lied about certain things is not new information. The difference is, their intent of lying is not what most of you guys claim it is. They are not covering up an inside job, and we are not the ones who they trying to hide information from.
Anyone who has served in the military for more then a minute knows that nothing happens at the senior officer level, and it takes privates, lance corporals and Sgt’s to get shit done.
(understand this when making claims of Cheney in charge of 9/11 drills)
The amount of secrecy needed to fly George Bush to Baghdad in 2003 on Thanksgiving was huge and that was almost stopped by a civilian airplane seeing AF1 flying under the ID of a smaller private jet…Now imagine that compared in size and legality to what your theories imply…
If you were going to do 9/11 would you implicate the Saudis and the Pakistani ISI if you wanted to maintain those relationships? Would you use demolitions that could easily be traced back to the US or would use massive car bombs implicating Iraq or Al Qaeda? Would use a Global Hawk or a missile on the Pentagon or would you just use on the thousands of government aircraft painted like a civilian airliner? Would you knock down WTC7 at 520PM when the entire world was watching or would you have knocked it down when it was completely obscured by dust and debris from the towers collapse? Would you implicate only Al Qaeda if you had been planning on attacking Iraq for years or would you easily include evidence implicating them too? If your gonna attack Iraq based on evidence of WMD’s, wouldn’t you plant some there if you really knew they didn’t have any? (They originated in the US so replicating the spores would be cake compared to doing 9.11) If you were going to shoot down flight 93, why would you do it over a pasture and deny it? Wouldn’t you want the US military too look they succeeded on some aspect of defending the country? Why not shoot down where people could see it? Or at least admit it?
The point is and has been, the US government and those in it, CAN NOT and have never been able to keep a secret this illegal and this big. That’s part of living in such a free society. Look at the TSP Bush started, CIA black sites, WMD’s in Iraq, etc. Those are extremely small and easy to get away with compared to 9/11, yet they couldn’t. Those are just a few of thousands of examples. Look at Paul Wolfowitz, he was fired from his last job for getting his girlfriend a job…Does that sound like a mastermind behind the NWO and 9/11????
As I showed above, the collective theories make absolutely no sense from a tactical point of view either. The room they left for error and the potential times for having their cover blown were HUGE…If you think something other then flight 77 hit the Pentagon, do you realize it would only take one person with a video camera to blow the entire operation? Do you realize there are more spies in DC then in any other city in the world??? It makes NO SENSE and is IMPOSSIBLE……
Anyways, if anyone wants to debate these facts, here or on the radio, let me know……………
Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:49 am
So Recon, do you have your own radio show? If yes is it sponsored by the CIA ? LOL. You are so full of bullshit! Debunk this: http://www.journalof911studies.....uttler.pdf
and this: http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html
and this: http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Beck=hack Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:36 am
he wont even try.
Jackass ReconConmary Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Of course Cheney hiding in his bunker, did not give our Billion Dollar Norad system Stand Down Orders…
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Do you have some proof or indication of a stand down order or is this just another fairy tale to assist your theories in looking authentic?
That’s what i thought….
Jackass ReconConjobMary Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Anger is a very appropriate and necessary response to an injustice. But stand back now; the truth, clearly spoken, is always your best weapon. Calmly spoken, it can burn a hole through the hardest heart…
or as Reconjob always says to himself over and over…Ignorance is Bliss!
A Real live actual engineer Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:10 am
“Nothing about the collapse of the WTC’s and the attack on the Pentagon defys any physics laws.”
How do you know? You have never posted anything that suggested you had even a superficial understanding of physics and engineering.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Common sense and the overwhelming majority of the EXPERTS who have written peer reviewed papers on the collapse of the WTC’s. The fact that other steel framed buildings have collapsed form fire alone and without structural damage. The fact that those who claim it defied any physics laws have not presented their findings for peer review. Something that is very standard when introducing new evidence to the collective scientific communities involved in this. The fact the towers collapse if the most studied building collapse in world history, etc..
That what makes me know what Ive said is true. Im not a scientists so you can challenge what the experts say…..Not me. I just see what the experts say, what the overwhelming majority say and take that for the truth.
Angry Aardvark Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Hey, they were not demolished, eh? Gee, look at these perfectly cut columns at ground zero. I suppose jet fuel leaked all the way to the bottom of the building, basement or first floor, and cut perfect angles right through the major support columns. Oh, and they left traces of thermite, which is what is used during demolition.
Do a google image search on “911 column” to see it in plain sight. And ironically, for the first time in the world trade’s history, all of the building’s pwer was cut for an extended period of time, with contractors going in and out as they pleased.
And lets not forget all of the evidence destroyed in Building 7, which fell at free-fall speed onto its own footprint when it wasnt even hit by a plane. Has anyone here checked out the tenents of Building 7? Does anyone have any clue of what evidence was destroyed?
Speaking of evidence, the majority of the stell (evidence) of the buildings was recycled immediately, evidence from the worst attack on american soil in american history. But if a jet-liner crashes, like flight 800 or whatever that was, it took over a year to assemble every little peice of it for investigation.
Look at who benefits. Wake the F*#@ up people. Ask questions. Don’t believe the headlines. Look at all of the convenient deaths of those who knew too much. Face your fears (yes, it is something to fear, until you embrace your fear) and know the truth.
Robert Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Hey Live Engineer–Did you see the clip of the BBC chick reporting that Bldg 7 had collapsed?…about 20 minutes before…with it standing behind her. And the response of the BBC saying they can’t find the clip? Pleeez
Alex (not Jones) Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:17 am
All recon ever does is cite all these unnamed mystery “experts”.
I will debate you but lets not forget my conditions. I want you to write a statement that addresses the points I have been making and you have been ignoring.
That will show me that you are able to engage in an intelligent debate.
I won’t waste my time with a raving half-wit who cannot make any points on his own, only refer to points made by others without even stating those points.
If you want to have a debate ok, then, but if what you write is any guide you will start raving like a lunatic calling everyone who disagrees with you a “nutjob” while making no points of your own or attempting to dispute points made my others.
Do you have any idea what constitutes a “debate”?
Come back and when you find out.
When you show me you are capable of addressing a point in an intelligent manner I will post my email yet again for a radio debate in any venue you choose. Until then just shut the fuck up and stop making the rest of us Marines look bad. You are embarrassing us with your nonsense, ranting and raving.
What did they teach you in the corp? What is your most powerful weapon? When you figure it out try again.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Alex(not Jones), see my exchange with him below. its like pulling teeth, he still hasnt answered an extremely basic question. he thinks if he yells enough ad homs and cites enough gov connected or otherwise shady “experts” hes “won the debate”.
FM Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am
@ reconmarine…
Of all the aspects of 9-11, how it was done is not the most important one. It’s important to know and discover how it was done, but it’s more important to realize that once again our government–or just elements within our government–has lied to us once again.
The official story of 9-11 is the real conspiracy. None of it adds up or makes sense. The best excuse the government could possibly come up with is the “incompetence” line, which is also ridiculous. There is no way to explain the almost total lack of normal defense protocol on that day. The pentagon is one of the best-defended buildings/airspace in the world, yet some common new-to-flying hijacker was able to score a direct hit? No way!
The demolition-like collapse of all 3 WTC buildings that day is also well beyond the scope of normalcy. That’s just not how buildings fall. Steel framed buildings do not collapse into dust. I don’t know who needs to say that for it to be believable to you.
As for the shoot-down order, Dick Cheney admitted that HE gave the order to shoot down flight 93, on national TV: Meet the Press on Dec. 12th…so no mystery there.
As for the comment about one person with a video camera could dispell all the rumors and “conspiracy” theories about what hit the pentagon–not so. There was film of the JFK assassination–I think we’ve all seen it many times–that clearly showed that he was shot from the front AND the back (at least) yet there are people who still believe that Oswald did it, and did it alone.
Again, the task of explaining how someone was able to pull off 9-11 is surely important, but somewhat less important than realizing and knowing that what we are being told ISN’T what happened…that our government most definitely lied about it and continues to lie about it. The question this raises is “why would they lie about it?’. Why does anyone lie about something? Usually because they have something to hide, like culpability.
This issue is huge and complex, and there is not nearly enough time to get into the many, many glaring inconsistencies and impossibilities regarding 9-11, but these few points are enough for now.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
FM- Sadly I probably know the theories about 9/11 better then you do including everything you have just said. You can say how it was done is not important, but is extremely important because it shows it COULDN’T be done the way the collective theories imply.
Hani Hanjour had a commercial pilots license. The same guy who is seen on Loose Change talking about him also said he has no doubt he could have hit the pentagon.
I know your not really comparing a single gun shot wound to Kenedy in 1963 to a an airplane flying into the Pentagon in 2001 are you? The JFK conspiracy is a perfect example of how even the simplest “inside job” can’t be done without lots of people outing the truth. Giving a shoot down order for 93 and actually shooting it down isn’t the same thing….
Steel buildings dont fall like that? Really? When was the last time you saw a tube in tube steel framed 110 story building hit by an airliner burn out of control and collapse? Id like to see that for comparison……
The WTC was cleaned up quickly? June of 2002 is quickly?
How the hell did all the truthers find samples to test if it was all “whisked” away??
The government lying about 9/11 doesnt mean it was an inside job, al qaeda is fake and thousands of people are in on it and keeping it all secret…..
Jackass ReconConjobMary Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses.
Nietzsche
We can all agree Reconmarine is a Zionist Troll who is deaf, dumb, and blind as hell.
FM Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
@ reconmarine….
It is absolutely amazing how little sense you make. I state these things as clearly as possible and you are still able to twist it all up. I don’t know how you begin to compare what you think I know versus what you claim to know. I haven’t said everything I know–far from it. I’m trying to keep this as short and simple as possible.
I didn’t say it’s NOT important to know how it’s done, I said it’s not AS important as knowing that the official explanation is BS!!! It would be very hard to know for fact how each and every part of this was done, but it’s relatively easy–and important–to know that the government is lying about all of it. The rest is debatable, but possibly unknowable.
Hani Hanjour was said to be a TERRIBLE pilot and no one on loose change said he has no doubt he could have hit the Pentagon–ONLY the opposite has been said by any and every pilot who has commented on that situation.
“I know your not really comparing a single gun shot wound to Kenedy in 1963 to a an airplane flying into the Pentagon in 2001 are you?”(-reconmarine)
I don’t know what you mean. You make no sense at all. What do you think I’m comparing? I said the Kennedy assassination WAS video-taped in a way that PROVED there was more than one gunman, yet people still believe there was only one and that the one was Oswald.
About the shoot-down order…
are you suggesting that Cheney GAVE the order but it wasn’t followed?!?!? what then?
About the collapse of the 3 buildings…
You don’t need a plane to crash into a steel-framed sky-scraper to know what would happen if it did. Plane fuel burns off very quickly, and does not reach the temps required to melt or significantly soften steel. Many steel sky-scrapers have burned for 24-48 before and since 9-11 with nothing near a collapse. What is left is what should be left: the steel frame and almost nothing else. If the WTC building WERE to collapse in any kind of “normal” fashion there would still be the HUGE main support column standing–even if you apply the “pancake effect” that is talked about. It wouldn’t turn the vertical columns into powder and pieces. They would still be standing–VERTICAL.
And your last line probably makes the least sense of all…
“The government lying about 9/11 doesnt mean it was an inside job” (-reconmarine)
Why would they lie about it? What do they have to gain from lying about it? what do they have to hide that would make them lie about it? Are you ok with them lying about it? You make it sound like it’s no big deal. What else are they lying about?
Al Qaeda is not fake, but it was created by our government back in the 1970’s, by Brezinski, during the Carter administration, as a military opposition to the Soviet invasion. Bin Laden has been on the government payroll since then (until he died…he was reported dead by Pakistan’s president, Israeli intelligence and Egypt’s government back in 2001, as well as the late Benizeer Bhutto of Pakistan). Al Qaeda is the database of foreign mujahideen fighters that Bin Laden recruited. Look it up. It’s no mystery.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I never said it was on Loose Change, i was referring to the pilot who denied Hani hanjour a cesna. He later said he thinks he could have steered the plane into the Pentagon. The video of JFK does not definitively show, from the head wound, what direction the bullet came from. Unfortunately I have experience in this. My point was, it makes no sense to take the massive risk of blowing the entire operation by using anything other then an aircraft that looked exactly like flight 77. Something easy to do compared to everything else implied….
Nobody except truthers said the steel was melted by jet fuel. Jet fuel started the fires, they burned long after the jet fuel was gone..Have you heard the hours of tapes of people screaming about being to hot? Or were they in on it too?
Actually the top 11 floors of the windsor tower collapsed from fire alone. It was a steel framed building, no airplane damage, and it’s steel was not incased in concrete just like the WTC’s weren’t.
The government lies all the time. I have never claimed otherwise and NO, Im not OK with the. My point is what they are lying about. To suggest thousands of willing participants would standbye and not say anything while the government they work for attacks the country they swore to defend is ridiculous at the best. It’s juts not feasible and it doesn’t work that way in real life.
You need to read the differences between the Afghan mujahadeen and the Arab mujahadeen. They are not the same thing. Modenr day Al Qaeda/Taliban and Northern Alliance…
Im going to work, ill be back in the AM
FM Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
@ Reconmarine….
Guy, you still make very little sense and very bad points.
Yes, the Zapruder (spelling?) film DOES show that JFK was hit from the front AND from the back, making his head lurch each direction (as it does when something hits it).
Almost nobody says the steel was melted by jetfuel. Popular Mechanics said it NIST said it were thoroughly debunked for saying it. Yes, the fires burned after the fuel burnt off, but their only fuel at that point was carpet, drywall, desks, etc…which don’t make a fire hot enough to melt steel, let alone make it totally collapse into dust…straight down at near free-fall speed!!
There are people in the government who have spoken up, but short of smoking gun proof, there’s little they can do. All the evidence needed to figure this out is available. It’s not hard to comprehend. The official story is what doesn’t make sense–not what the “truthers” are saying.
Also, what about the 7 or 8 supposed hijackers that are still alive?
I understand the difference between Afghan and arab mujahhideen, Taliban, northern alliance at al. I was merely stating where Al Qaeda came from, who created them and why, pointing out that it is/was real. These days everything is blamed on Al Qaeda whether they were part of it or not. They have become the favored boogie man to shake at us. Al Qaeda is not everywhere and if they are it’s with US help, just as it was back in the 80s.
You believe the gov is lying…what do you think they are lying about if not 9-11 or JFK? What about OK City? What about Pearl Harbor or Vietnam?
Don't Ask, Don't Tell about Cherry Marines Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Ever hear of THE MANHATTAN PROJECT, JFK assassination, Area 51, etc……..??? I’d say the government is pretty damn good at having thousands of people who are loyal to them keep their mouths shut. They are brainwashed (like you) into believing that it is patriotic and “for the greater good” of society. The few that dare venture “off the reservation” are quickly handled by some major “skeletons” in their closet being leaked to the press, maybe a car crash, plane wreck, or other “accident” – or they are just eliminated.
Regarding the Pentagon “attack”. No pilot in the world has accepted the challenge from “Pilots for 9/11 Truth” to reenact a high-G 270 degree bank and maintain flight less than 100 feet above the ground. Why? Because it is IMPOSSIBLE!!!… Even in a simulator. Why does the FDR say the last registered height of Flight 77 was well over 200 feet before it “crashed”? Ooops! The Pentagon is only around 75 feet tall. The massive engines from a Boeing 757 were mostly steel and titanium. They apparently ‘evaporated’ on impact with the concrete walls. However, the soft aluminum nose/cockpit area busted through the concrete and continued busting through multiple concrete walls and reinforced columns until it busted out of the inner wall into the courtyard. Hmmm, that’s some scary-ass aluminum!?!? The tiny bit of aluminum wings/debree found outside of the Pentagon was picked up by a dozen or so guys in suits and disappeared. Imagine being able to fly a huge Boeing 757 into a 75 foot tall building at 400-500 MPH and not even hit the ground. That is LASER precision. Finally, if you were on the ground and a huge Global Hawk missile (look it up, they have a similar wingspan as a 757) came roaring just overhead at 400+ MPH, would you honestly know what the hell just flew by you???? NO WAY!!! You would be shaking the shit from your pant legs after you pulled yourself off the ground and saying “WTF was that?”
Your overly simplistic, child-like grasp on reality is frightening. However, I doubt you are really THAT stupid as to believe all of what you write. You just can’t bear to deal with the reality that your government is run by sadistic bastards hell-bent on controlling the entire globe. They create “bogey monsters” to manipulate and scare the public into crying out for “protection”. Fear-mongering is a tactical weapon used by elitists throughout history in an effort to rule the world……. Caesar, Attila the Hun, Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, Kissinger, Bush, Obama, IMF masters, etc……..(Same gene pool).
Just curious “reconmarine” LOL…….. what is your MOS? You have claimed to be an expert in many areas and claim extensive military skills…….. back it up with your rank and areas of expertise!!!
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Assbag-
The Manhattan Project was NEVER kept secret. it was infiltrated by the soviets from DAY ONE..Come back after you complete basic US history….It’s not just Americans they need to keep quiet. You do know there are spies in our government right? Do you think the Chinese and Russians will just stand bye while they have lost trillions in weapons sales in teh wake of the wars we waged in the name of 9/11? I think not..
Im over simplistic? You just compared a 757 to a missile…..or a global hawk. (by the way, in real life, neither look like a 757) Maybe in your dreams or in a scifi movie.)
Google or youtube low level fly by and tell me you could easily mistake that for a missile.
What about the 200 plus witnesses? Are they all retarded or in on it?
Did the missile hit the light poles too?
The FRD altimeter is commonly off when at low levels, so showing it off by 125 feet is not uncommon given the circumstances…
And for your curiosity, Im a Force reconnaissance Marine, 0321 RECONMAN
Force Recon Marine. Went through RIP first, then BRC/ARS (East coast at Fort Story)
Jump School, Dive school(MCD), MFF, SERE x2, R&S x4, SOTG CQB x4, HAS, NN, MMTS, etc, etc, etc….
Oh yeah, Im a Staff Sgt. E6
What about you?
Jake Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Reconmarine,
Would you follow an order to disarm U.S. citizens, or to hunt down and kill those of us who won’t give up our guns?
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Adam Gadhan is a US citizen so it really depends on the situation…..
I wouldn’t violate the constitution and that supersedes rank and any order given…
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:36 am
yes he would because he is so faithful to his government
Dragon's Eye Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
@Reconmarine,
That is the reason why you became a marine! You don’t need much smarts to shoot a rifle! And don’t tell me I don’t know what I am talking about, because I served in the services too ( US Army )!
As for your contention that we are all “nutballs” with our “conspiracy theories”:
Hmmmm! Let’s see! A Conspiracy is defined under law and Webster’s as when TWO or MORE are involved in the planning and execution of a crime!
Theory (as opposed to an axiom or hypothesis) requires a certain amount of proof and/or evidence to SUPPORT such!
As for the case evidence:
“Rebuilding America’s Defenses, The Project for a new American Century”
- AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE
I think the Prison-Planet and Infowars archives can give you more on that ( that’s if you even bother to check them out ).
***
As to your closing comments:
I have found through my own personal experience that having “rank” doesn’t necessarily equate to having “smarts”!
As for your “MOS”, that just makes you an expert in ONE field, by itself! If you have worked with other units and “cross-trained”, you may have a few more expertise-points under your belt, but that STILL doesn’t signify “smarts” – IE. Critical-Thinking skills and the ability to “pay attention to detail”!
***
All in all, “Reconmarine”, I have read your posts for many, many months! You have accomplished nothing but hard feelings and disrespect for yourself, all because of your constant bashing, trashing, name-calling, and thrashing of anyone here who expresses anything different from your limited critical-thinking reportoire! If think we are all loony because we refuse to “go along to get along”, then how about do yourself and the rest of us a BIG favor: Just go away!!! I know I am not the only one here is fed up with the absolute nonsense that some of you “disinfo agents” and Agents-Provocateur have resorted to! I must say that we the people can’t even get our money’s worth when hiring disinfo-goons anymore!
You are either just too stupid to see THE reality, or you’re just a government-paid stooge who’s not even worth the WASTE IN TAXPAYER MONEY that hired you!
There may not be many here who would have taken you to task like I did, but there again, I am who I am!!!
Chew on these words a while!!!
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Taken me to task? You said nothing..
Yeah, if you try to summarize a massive 90 page paper by taking a sentence out of context, your right….
So why would the PNAC put info about a future attack in a publicly released paper?
What about Paul Wolfowitz? He is in PNAC….He got fired from his most recent job for getting his girlfriend a job…Yeah, hes a real super secret operator capable of killing thousands of Americans in a “new fake pearl harbor” but cant get his girlfriend a job……Tell me more soldier….
Wow, you were in the Army..Congrats!
What was your MOS?
Bloggulator Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I keep seeing these posts by this “ReconMarine” character. He is spending an awful lot of his time trying to support the official story. Why is that? Why is the government’s position so important to him, and why is he trying to defend the indefensible, and making an idiot of himself in the process? Is his comfort zone being invaded by these pesky people who dare to ask questions of our government? awwww…my heart, it bleeds so. Furthermore, if there is nothing to any of the alternative explanations of 9/11, then isn’t he wasting his time trying to convince people of that?
It sounds as if he is a paid weasel, for sure.
1984 Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:23 am
I still want to know how Osama knew, or had the great luck of having that attack on 9/11 when the air defense was crippled by those trainings.
Just because there might not have been explosives in the buildings does not mean that government was not involved in the events.
And the PNAC crowd certainly had a huge motive in having 9/11 happening.
And 9/11 might be such a big lie that people have hard to accept that their own government would take part in it.
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:50 am
No sweeti there were explosives in those building that is the ONLY way to level buildings of that stature. You can not level a building built to last like the WTC simply by ramming it with a plane. It doesn’t work like that. Sorry! It had to be taken down from the inside out not hte outside in. The WTC was one of the most important buildings in the world do you thinhk that the government at that time did not take all things into considerationwhen having it built and there was going to be no way possible for anyone to take that building down thats way it had several layers of steel and different materials to protect the infulstructure of the building itself and so the day that they begin to make the planns to take it down they already knew to things.
1. We have to have a staged attack
2. We have to do it from the inside but make it look like it happened outside
and the rest was bult aroundthese two facts
jg Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Who is this reconmarine nutter?
I quote in full:-
“Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Do you have some proof or indication of a stand down order or is this just another fairy tale to assist your theories in looking authentic?
That’s what i thought….”
merely to highlight the absurdity of people not bothering to either READ or WATCH Norman Minetta’s testimony to the Omission Commission – check it out, ‘recon’, it’s easy – just gooogle:-
site:youtube.com Norman Minetta 9/11 Commission
Then maybe get another job, away from the alphabet soup of deceit and lies?
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Norman Minetta said the order was given……
What you fucking idiots are assuming is the ones who would shoot down flight 77 were in place to do so…..Just because the authority and order was given, doesnt mean anti aircraft teams were immediately surrounding DC ready for any airborne attack..
They didnt know the Pentagon was the next target, so if limited AA resources were available, assuming they were, they probably went to the White House and capitol….
KILL EM ALL Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Okay, grunt…………If scrambled fighters were not in place, then why? Any other place in the country that has a tiny Cessna go off course and he gets a quick escort home by a fighter jet or two. Yet, the most protected city and buildings in the world (Washington), which has several air bases nearby (within 10 minutes), was not able to get up ANY fighters for several HOURS. You are soooo fucking stupid it is hilarious!!!
Quotes from the queen marine:
“Google or youtube low level fly by and tell me you could easily mistake that for a missile.”
(From a distance, no way. You missed the point! People were not standing on the lawn of the Pentagon eating popcorn and waiting for the next scene in the movie. The Global Hawk came in at over 400 mph very low to the ground. People were in their cars and in buildings. The thundering roar of a missile that big with a similar wingspan as a 757 would be a blur to “witnesses” below it. Forget the alleged “witnesses” for a moment. Where the fuck are the 80 videos from the surrounding cameras – the most secure building in the world, but no clear video of a plane hitting it??? YEA, RIGHT)
“What about the 200 plus witnesses? Are they all retarded or in on it?”
(Where are their reports? What are their names? WHO interviewed them? Were they all government hacks, like you? The witnesses on the news, like the cab driver said it was too small to be a 757, others concurred. OOPS!)
“Did the missile hit the light poles too?” (YES!!! Apparently you missed the part about the wingspan of the Global Hawk. And why are there no huge gouges in the ground? The belly of the plane and landing gear would have created an obvious trench on the lawn. How do you fly a plane that big into a building that short and not drag the ground, especially if you can’t even fly a Cessna??? LAUGHABLE!!!)
With regard to your military “experience”….. You should make a great MALL COP confiscating skateboards from pesky little “terrorists.” Good luck with that because your days of trolling websites spewing garbage is over. People recognize idiots like you right away. But you are too big of a COWARD to answer the tough questions. Like, “why do you spend so much time on Jones’ websites? Infiltration, Recon???
You have NOTHING to offer but slander and dis-information. YOU PISS-ANT TROLL
Justin Thought Reply:
April 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
After reading recon-marine’s postings here and below in this article, it is obvious that he’s on the payroll, his job to dispute ANY aspect of truth that might accidentally slip out. He’s engaging in the normal pattern, obfuscation and/or ad hom attacks. Good for him!
Unfortunately, these tactics are starting, more and more, to backfire, because each posting he makes is immediately refuted by the knowledgeable people who tend to hang around this site. As a result, once again, the facts are stated, which increases the chances that additional people become aware of the facts. And that’s exactly the goal that most of us are working toward, to “wake up” more and more people!
What IS undeniable is that we don’t know what happened on that day almost eight years ago. And it’s also undeniable that what we were told by “our government” and their associates is NOT what happened. Any investigator will tell you that that’s an excellent starting point for discovery.
Now, I’d like to take the same stance, and attack the “straw man” point most deniers take, that “so many people involved wouldn’t be able to keep such a secret so long.” There’s an excellent hypothetical scenario on the 911research page, here: http://911research.wtc7.net/es.....nario.html , which gives an example of how the work could have easily been done without the majority of the workers even having a suspicion of what they were doing–even to this day! Yes, it’s hypothetical, but I guess we wouldn’t need hypotheses if the people who were (allegedly) tasked with providing an explanation had given us something we could believe.
Keep up the good work, reconmarine. You’re helping us more than you could know!
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention. Your check is in the mail. It left Langley this morning.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Like so many other things the government says, it’s all lies. i.e. fight 800 and the gulf war illness. This is to keep us dumb and passivie.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Joint the Zeitgeist Movement. Seriously.
Alex exposes the truth.
Peter Joseph provides the solution.
Perfect symphony.
Do it.
Think For Yourself Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Tell Peter Joseph or whatever his real name is to quit reading alice bailey. Zeitgeist is th e NWO. The Venus Project, Venus the morning star interesting that the chose this name I can think of someone else that calls himself the morning star.
jg Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:19 am
There is much truth in Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum – use it for what it is. If the pagan & Venus stuff bothers you, just skip it.
Peter Joseph NWO? McCarthyism still rules, hmm?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:35 am
What does the picture of my hometown, San Francisco, at the top of the article have to do with the article? Just because it’s military fighter jets being refueled? And fighter jets should have responded to the hijacked planes in NYC and Washington, D.C.? Is that the closest you could come to finding a truly appropriate photo to go with what this disinfo agent’s book is about? How ’bout a pic of the Pentagon on fire after the misile hit it? Or, even better, how ’bout a GIF animated photo of the video, or the video itself, supposedly (but NOT) showing the Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon? Or a pic of the 911 Commission; or Kean, Zelikow, etc.; a pic of the “911 Commission Report” book? Etc.? Something a little more on-topic, photo-wise, that didn’t take place 3,000 miles from where the book is about?
Other than the military, instruments of mass murder, false “patriotism”, glorification of the U.S. military, though, beautiful picture of the Bay Area!
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Was the missile that hit the pentagon carrying the luggage, passengers, high jackers, engines, seats, FDR’s, etc, etc, etc that was all found or was that some how pre-planted or was it dropped by a cargo parachute? How did the 200 some people who saw flight 77 think the missile was a huge jet?
Did the missile zig zag and hit the light poles or were there little miniature missiles that hit those? The people who watched the doubletree hotel videos of flight 77 hitting the pentagon before the videos were snatched, were they in on it too or were they threatened not to say anything?
Please explain the missile pentagon theory a bit more…Ill go get the popcorn…
And Now The Apocalypse! of www.wolfbritain.com (click here) Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Gee, “Reconmarine”, you sure are years behind in research! In order to “know” that all of those examples you sited were “all found”, you have to take the word of the corporate – government propaganda media. Otherwise, no proof of it was ever given.
The only luggage and seats and so on that were supposedly found were way off to the left of where the plane supposedly hit. No more of it was found.
They also claimed that all of the bodies were supposedly disintegrated by the impact and explosion, but plastic computer monitors in pictures of the impact zone weren’t even melted a little bit; and, in every other jet crash in history bodies and/or body parts were found and none ever completely disintegrated.
The entrance hole for the so-called huge Boeing 757 jet was MUCH too small for such a plane; and, the exit hole quite a ways into the rings of the Pentagon was also much too small but big enough to be consistent with a missile explosion “exit”. Also, the entrance hole was at ground level, yet there were no marks of the jet affecting the grass or ground immediately in front of the impact zone.
In addition, no marks on the building were caused by the impact(s) of the huge wings and/or the explosion of the fuel that would have been in them (unless the plane dumped fuel before impact), as would have occurred if a Boeing 757 had hit the Pentagon.
And the list goes on.
Where have you been all of these years? Besides blindly taking the word of the biggest, most corrupt, lying, propagandizing government in the entire history of the world?
Others’ here: Did I leave anything else. Help me out here.
And Now The Apocalypse! of www.wolfbritain.com (click here) Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Clarification: The entrance hole seen in pictures BEFORE THAT PART OF THE BUILDING COLLAPSED.
Correction: “…Others’ here: Did I leave anything OUT? Help me out here…”
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Ill help you out, you left everything out….Like the truth….
Actually the plane and it’s passengers (all except an infant were found and ID’d) can you show me where the official report says the bodies evaporated? Thanks. Ill be waiting. The parts found were inside the building, not off to the left…You made that one up.
The entrance hole was not smaller then flight 77
Every other crash in history? Can you show me a slightly similar plane crash/high jack situation?
Ever shot a missile or seen one shot? They look nothing alike and that is completely foolish to say..
Where have I been all these years? Over here in reality
Robert Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Hey Jarhed Marine. I was in Vietnam and fully brainwashed. Luckily I woke up to face the music. You’ve been lied to. All your buds in the military have died for a banker. You’ve deluded yourself so as not to face the painful truth. Take a look at the US Liberty and see who our friends aren’t.
Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Hey recon you are FULL OF BULLSHIT, you want a debate then debunk, debunk, debunk!
Debunk this: http://www.journalof911studies…..uttler.pdf
and this: http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html
and this: http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
craig Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
ah he does this alot dilbert…suffice to say he’s military so he’ll always toe the line and try to debunk just so he keeps his job. @ recon – dude seriously EVERYONE on here knows that your just a dis-info agent and as such you dont hold much credability despite the fact that you try to put logic to your arguments…..tell you what when you start providing evidence to back up your “theory” that can be proven 100%(maybe you should raid your armys archives)then you might be taken a little bit seriously. until then go and keep drinking your aspartame flavoured drinks.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Think for yourself, indeed…
Peter Joseph took much inspiration from the concepts of Theosophy, established by people like Alice Bailey, among others. So you’re talking about this Luciferian Morning Star, made famous in the first Zeitgeist, yet this is a consistant Theosophical theme.
Do you see your contradiction?
April 14th, 2009 at 9:09 am
The Zeitgeist movement. Sigh, where to begin with that. To anyone to believes in the Zeitgeist movement I ask you if you have ever seriously studied mythology (and I’m not talking mythology via conspiracy sites I’m talking really studied mythology), have you ever seriously studied the history of the Catholic church vs. Christianity vs. all other origins of various religions (and again, not via conspiracy sites but really studied the history here)?
Because anyone who has truly studied both mythology and the history of various religions including Catholicism and Christianity (remember these two are not the same religion and to the Catholic church Christians were heretics) watches the first part of Zeitgeist and can easily point out time after time where the movie is wrong on both mythology and theology. And that’s just part 1 of the movie.
I mention all this because if Part 1 of the movie is that unreliable then why would the other 2 parts be considered trustworthy?
Just the Facts M'am Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Nice rant, but if your argument is to be trusted, should you not provide some factual evidence and concrete examples to back up your allegations? Just a thought. I personally have studied both sides, and DO INDEED see many similarities and “coincidences” between organized religion and paganism. If you really want “enlightened” on the subject, study the ancient Sumerians…… thousands of years prior to the Hebrew’s, yet miraculously they have a story of a “Noah”-like individual who saved the world from a great flood. The later Hebrew version is almost identical. Care to explain? I have many more FACTS if you have the courage to listen.
Just the Facts M'am Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 9:41 am
That being said, I do not follow the twisted proposal of the “Venus Project”. That is an organized CULT of radical liberal wack-jobs. If you really want to hear some good advice on religion, listen to G.e.o.r.g.e C.a.r.l.i.n. ——- He nails it
Tod G. Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Well, Abraham was a priest at a temple in Ur (Sumeria) before he moved! A lot of the Hebrew literature of old (like early parts of the Bible) were cribbed from the Sumerians, and they changed Gods to singular God. A couple of places, like the flood story, they still left God talking to some unmentioned others, where in the Sumerian original it was Enlil (later Zeus/Jupiter/Baal) pronouncing to the other Sumerian Gods.
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Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:36 am
You are no friend of mine.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:29 am
and yes recon how do you explain all the nanothermate found in all the 911 dust?duh-h-h-h- and even un burnt nanothermate, doesnt happen from plane or fires ever according to experts, someone planted bombs in buildings, firefighters heard em, willian rodregius heard em. all liars? i dont think so. its time we start a new investigation(not run by our sleazy govt or NWO puppets) and when a guilty party is found , hang em on the white house lawn on national tv, then watch the little traitors start talkin and squeeling on thier fellow traitors. cant wait, i have some good hemp rope, and will volunteer to be the hangman, practicing my knots, ha ha…
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Michale peck- Regarding the finding of nano thermite- Im not a scientists so Ill wait for the experts to come out and report their findings. You do realize everyone who “discovered” that already is a 9/11 truther…Do you know what a snipe hunt is?
Firefighters heard loud booms. Just as most do and report hearing in large office fires. The ones who said they heard bombs is understandable. If something explodes next to you in the middle of a massive terrorist attack, you will probably think it’s a bomb.The difference is, even a small piece of demo going off is extremely louder then what was heard in the towers on 9/11. The amount of demo needed to cut 6 inches of steel would have been audible for miles away, echoing off the surrounding buildings. That is not present in the hours of videos and audio tapes of that day…Stop watching movies, that’s not real life. Willy Rodriquez waited until after he went to the White House twice to meet with Bush before he changed his story about what happened…Also, Willy was in the basement. There were bomb sniffing dogs in the basement. (One and his handler were killed on 9/11 so don’t say they were removed) The basement was basically the only part of the building that survived and was the only part that wouldn’t require any demo if it was being set up for a controlled demolition. so please explain that to us…
Practicing your knots?…….Might want to slow down…It’s gonna be a while…
Beck=hack Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
you’ll wait for the experts(you mean NIST right?) to come out? can you point out your problem with each of the authors of the paper that came out recently? be specific about why they are not experts and what problems you have with each of them. saying they are “9/11 truthers” is not enough and is a huge cop-out as im sure you know. be specific. and as a bonus, inform your opinion on these people based on actual research and not just on what you read on “debunker” sites.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Ok…
David Ray Griffin is a religion expert.
Dr. Steven Jones is a cold fusion expert
Have you really looked at what these peoples expertise are in or do you just see the “dr.” in front of their name and beleive them? You do know the real experts who worked at BYU with Steven Jones asked him to submit his “thermite” findings and instead of doing so, he quit his job. They all said his work was not accurate..BUT, if he really believed his work, why wouldn’t he just submit it and put it in their face? isn’t that you would do? I would.
None of them are building collapse forensic experts. None with experience in terrorism or demolitions.
The fact that they already think they know the conclusion of their tests is very pertinent to their findings. The snipe hunt analogy was showing that if you go out looking for something, a snipe, you will almost always think you see it. If you stare the dark sky all night looking for UFO’s and you think they are really out there that night, you will probably see one. Ever seen those ghost hunting shows? Same thing when the door creeks…
What Ive read on debunker sites? Ive researched all sides of this subject. Theirs and yours. Im on my own. My own experience and common sense is sufficient for me to conclude your theories are all bullshit and politically driven
Beck=hack Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am
David griffin was a part of the most recent paper? uhhhh,nope. try again and try not to expose yourself this time. you didnt even get the names right, be specific this time and get the authors of the latest paper right. Jones is one of them, who are the others and what specifically disqualifies their opinions and conclusions in your mind? And no ad homs, just substance this time ok? show me you can actually do research and not just copy and paste others thoughts. seriously, Griffin? you didnt even try. try again. and the “cold fusion” shot isnt enough, what about his research is flawed? what about the other authors? have you even read the paper? answer all of my questions please. this should be interesting. surprise me and read the paper ok? come with actual criticisms if you have them and not just ad homs. you can do it.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
you didnt even read the latest paper, dont know who authored it(you got one name) and you claim you;ve done the research? clearly you havent. You actually thought Griffin was on of the authors of the study? That says a lot about your ability in your “research”. try again.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
beck-
I wasn’t referring only to the recent thermate findings, I was referring to the “schollars” who every one follows as the word of 9/11
Like I said before, when people who allready think they know what the answer is will have a skewed vision on the outcome of their findings. ALL of these people are truthers.
Ill let the real experts debunk their recent “findings”. Ill talk about the things Im an expert in..
They have submitted their paper for peer review and lets see what their peers say.
That’s the point of doing so.
I wont pretend Im a scientist.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:16 am
oh my ggod, you blatantly ignored what i said again. please just re-read my posts aand TRY with all yourh eart to ACTUALLY answer my questions. did you have trouble with reading comprehension in school? is that why you joined the military? im not being a smartass, im actually curious. i cant believe you cant even answer a few basic questions. it really is quite telling, it speaks volumes about you and your tactics.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:21 am
im not a scientist either but i do understand basic physics along with not blindly trusting government sanctioned “experts” like those at NIST like you apparently do. you trust Sham SUnder right? Just like you trust Philip Zelikow? see the problem? now re-read my posts and try and answer the questions. who authored the paper(you did read it right?), and what are your SPECIFIC problems with their research and backrounds? saying-”they are 9/11 truthers” is a huge fucking cop-out not worthy of somebody whos serious about 9/11-its a line that cowards who dont have an answer use all the time. if you cant even name who authored the latest paper you have no right to criticize. you have to be informed to do that.
Just Say No to Cherry Marines Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Pretty fucking stupid for a “Reconmarine”. Apparently you have never taken an elementary physics course. And your statements about the acoustical reverberation from surrounding buildings is laughable. Survivors (that’s plural) from the lower levels gave video testimony of being knocked on their asses and saw people on fire after the explosions in the sub-levels BEFORE the first plane hit. Here’s the main reason why I know you are an idiot………..”The basement was basically the only part of the building that survived and was the only part that wouldn’t require any demo if it was being set up for a controlled demolition.” WHAT????? The basement was pulverized and burned at thousands of degrees for months with white smoke (a sign of Thermite and Sulfur). The MASSIVE concrete “bathtub” walls that held back the river were pushed out. This could only result from enormous and explosive LATERAL forces. Any demo expert or laymen will tell you that you first MUST take out the lower level structural columns followed by collapsing the central portion of the roof so the building falls in on itself. FREEFALL speed is not physically possible unless explosives cleared the way so the floors below offered no resistance. You seriously need to pull your head out of your ass, “marine”. Go kill a puppy or rape a 12 year old Iraqi girl (business as usual for a government sponsored bitch).
Just Say No to Cherry Marines Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
another stupid quote:
“The amount of demo needed to cut 6 inches of steel would have been audible for miles away, echoing off the surrounding buildings.”
Response:
Ever witnessed Thermite cut through steel? I HAVE!!! TINY strips will cut through very thick still in SECONDS, especially if it is enhanced with Sulfur. This is what the military uses for demolitions and WAR-time assaults. The recent scientific studies of the dust from “ground-zero” (BOMB terminology) indicate “nano” grade high explosives similar to Thermite. Wrap your piss-ant brain around that for a few seconds and see if you don’t implode.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Oh ok, ill wrap my piss ant brain around you telling me about what the military uses….
Your right, demo experts will tell you have to take out the bottom first because a controlled demolition starts from the bottom. They dont start at the impact site of the airliner crash like they did on 9/11.
Ive set of thermite and demo. shiot loads, and I know your theories are bullshit. Have you?
The buildings didnt fall at free fall speeds. you can stop your watch 11 seconds into the collapse and see for yourself or you watch teh debris falling faster then the collapse.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell about Cherry Marines Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Qoute:
“Your right, demo experts will tell you have to take out the bottom first because a controlled demolition starts from the bottom.”
Response:
HUH, this contradicts your previous statements!!! You’re a fucking fraud!!! Your love and support for your fellow Zionists scum is touching. BooHoo, my government wouldn’t do such a terrible thing…..um, would they??? Yes, Virginia…… they would and did!!!
Quote: (note the terrible spelling)
“Ive set of thermite and demo. shiot loads, and I know your theories are bullshit. Have you?”
Response:
I could tell you that, but then I’d have to eliminate your pansy ass. And which theories of mine are bullshit, coward? You don’t know your ass from a hole in the wall. Do some “recon” on basic laws of physics, pencil-dick!!!
By FREE FALL, I am not saying to the EXACT milli-second. Anywhere NEAR free fall speed is impossible, even double the free fall speed. When a massive amount of structural steel and concrete is welded and bolted together, it can NOT seperate fast enough to fall that fast. This was not a LEGO set!!! If HALF of the building came crashing down on the floors below, the IMPACT of each consecutive floor would create enough resistance to visibly see the floors SLOWLY collapse below. This would take MINUTES for 110 stories to “pancake” and the central CORE columns would still be there.
Believe your Zionist masters and prove your allegiance.
You are not worth any more of my time, so fuck off, you troll!!!
Robert Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Even if you look at CNN’s video of the Pentagon…there is only a 16ft hole in it. How do you fit a jet plane in it? No engines,tail section, bodies, minimal fire. You can see the roof hadn’t fallen. The tail was taller. There are three still shots(pics) andno identifiable plane. This from the most protected asset in the military? Gag me
Beck=hack Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
ok, well i clearly was referring to that, as i said so multiple times and you still ignored. or failed to comprehend. try again. read the paper. answer my very specific questions with specific answers and no ad homs. i think it speaks volumes about you thhat you literally ignored every question i asked. you failed to answer one. you clearly didnt read the latest paper. you dont know who wrote it. telling.
Jackass ReconConjobMary Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
“Gentlemen, Reconmarine here may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don’t let that fool you, he really is an idiot.”
Justin Thought Reply:
April 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
And, puh-leeze, let’s try to keep this on an adult level. Swearing and name-calling is acceptable behavior for 7th graders, but I think most of us are adults here. Space better used for facts.
However, a little blistering sarcasm…okay, I’m all for that!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
The “truth” that comes out of Washington and is broadcast non-stop in the media is nothing more than a tangled web of lies and deception.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:55 am
lol @ americans… you are so fucked with all that lies. lol
Just Say No to Cherry Marines Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am
What perfectly civilized, highly advanced, and HONEST country do you originate from? LOL
Think before you type, dipshit! And, by the way, it’s spelled YANKEES!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:57 am
yeh, so they CONSPIRED to NOT TELL THE TRUTH, or LIE. Not a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy FACT.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Somebody murdered 3000 people and nobody has been caught. That is mass murder and the criminals are still roaming the streets and in top govt positions and they are being protected. They relied on the arrogance and stupidity of americans and it paid off big time.
America is nothing but a punching bag for the delight of the corporate elites.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Information like this will continue to come out, to take the pressure the continued support of the New World Order by Obama.
Look, look at what Bush did! Don’t watch what Obama is doing!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
There is alot of good comments on this topic. Well first the Rothschilds are only one family of thirteen families that makes up the long lasting Dinesty of the Illuminati. They have been around for over two hundred years and their ultimate goal is to bring a one world government and one world money system that they all of course RULE (The New World Order).
Now about 911 yes it has been a fact since day one that the Government has lied about the true events on that dreadful day however non suprising the government has always lied to the “people” and it goes very deep you all don’t even know the half this book won’t even cover a quarter of the things that have went on in the government just about 911. Sorry to disappoint. If Farmer doesn’t talk about the fact that those buildings blew up from the inside out and even more untalked about details then his book is of no use to me but still good for those who have total faith in the government.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth – just one of MANY websites full of SCIENCE, not “opinions” from pseudo-warrior wannabees.
If some dipshit meat-headed moron thinks that he is more intelligent and informed than these scientists, architects, and engineers, he really is suffering from PTSD or else he is just another shining example of the lowered standards that the military has accepted for CANNON FODDER!!!
By the way, the architects and engineers who DESIGNED the WTC buildings say the “official” story is BULLSHIT!!! Those buildings could handle MULTIPLE planes from all angles. My simplistic 3D forensic model of the WTC took 10 hits before it even started to topple over. And the part that eventually fell left the remaining portion and central core standing. I’m not the only one to do these tests. Engineers at MIT, BYU, Purdue, and others have completed much more thorough 3D tests and even have videos on YouTube (if that turns you on).
WAKE UP!!!
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
http://www.ae911truth.info/
Actually the engineers who built the towers do not say the official story is bullshit.
They have said on the record they are surprised they didnt fall earlier
The guy who said the buildings were designed to take multiple impacts by airplanes died on 9/11 so he hasn’t said shit about it since…
Just keep making shit up guys….
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:25 am
UHHH no Honeyall of them that I have seen and or heard say that there is no way possible to make those towers fall in the manner they did without foul play.
The 9 11 attacks ca all be summed up like this THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC.
Read Up on what the Hegelian Dialectic is and what it is about and then you will have full understanding of what happened on the awful day of Semt. 11,2001
There is a three step process just to help you out a little bit.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:33 am
You did a simple 3d test that simulated 9/11? Are you fucking serious?
MIT, BYU and Purdue have done research into 9/11 and ALL OF THE have concluded that the official reason given for the buildings failures are accurate……
Your embarrassing yourself and your movement….Its very telling.
You will find the links to the Universities work below along with many other extremely well respected groups work……
Engineers Explain WTC Collapse
http://www.architectureweek.co.....s_3-1.html
Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures
http://enr.construction.com/ne.....040119.asp
IT WAS THE FIRE, CAUSED THE TWIN TOWER COLLAPSE – icivilengineer.com
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html
Simulation for the collapse of WTC after aeroplane impact – Lu XZ., Yang N., Jiang JJ. Structure Engineer, 66(sup.). 2003, 18-22
Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
“Addendum to ‘Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? – Simple Analysis” (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.
Brannigan, F.L.
“WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings”
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.
Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.
“Construction and Collapse Factors”
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.
Corbett, G.P.
“Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster”
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.
“Dissecting the Collapses”
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.
Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
“Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation”
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.
Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
(also available on-line)
Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A.
“Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center”
The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.
Glover, N.J.
“Collapse Lessons”
Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103
Marechaux, T.G.
“TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering”
JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.
Monahan, B.
“World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations”
Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.
Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D.
“Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?”
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.
National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs
“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.
Pinsker, Lisa, M.
“Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site”
Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001).
The print copy has 3-D images.
Public Broadcasting Station (PBS)
Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary.
NOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online)
Post, N.M.
“No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report”
ENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14.
Post, N.M.
“Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing”
ENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14.
The University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering
World Trade Center – Some Engineering Aspects
A resource site.
“WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives”
ENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.
The Towers Lost and Beyond
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Eduardo Kausel, John E. Fernandez, Tomasz Wierzbicki, Liang Xue, Meg Hendry-Brogan, Ahmed F. Ghoniem, Oral Buyukozturk, Franz-Josef Ulm, Yossi Sheffi
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Some links didnt go through so you will have to google them and find the links…
Sorry kids.
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am
None of this is necessary just look up The Hegelian Dialectic
KILL EM ALL Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I see that nearly every single one of these LINKS that you provide are OLD and OUTDATED (2001-2003). The first year or two after 9/11, the whole world bought the “official story” – hook, line, and sinker. It has taken years for people to come to grips with the reality that rogue elements within the U.S. government, and its “allies”planned and executed the most elaborate psy-ops ever witnessed. This was a con job and you are a part of it. Thankfully scientists, engineers, architects, and other countries governments are waking up and exposing the lies and distortions that you spew. Tic, Toc, loser!!! Your time is up, Mall Cop.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“Farmer doesn’t say this is an inside job?” Are you kidding? Like my sister is half pregnant. With Leon Panetta testifying before congress, Cheney is following the plane in and says his orders “stand”? WTF is this guy smoking? I want some.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
here is the official page from the publisher, says release date is 1/6/10
http://www.houghtonmifflinbook.....er=1098832
April 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Nice now is that we will be able to see
about Obama
is honest or part of the gang.
If honest he will not take the lies and when long enough
had “enemies closest”
do something about it
FM Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
@Oscar
Is english your 2nd language? If so that’s okay…but it’s hard to understand what you are saying.
My opinion is that he’s part of the gang. Everything he’s done–and hasn’t done–so far points to that. Look at his background, who he surrounds himself with, who his cabinet is, the appointments he’s made and where his money came from. It’s a who’s who of Israel-firsters, globalists and wall street capitalists. He’s as big business as they come.
I voted for him, but became disenchanted long ago. He’s not the cure, not the hope, not change and certainly not the messiah.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Damn, between reconmarine and the others, Idk who to believe. But with two opposite stories, and opposite “facts”, eventually someone will be exposed.
LONG LIVE LIBERTY
FM Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
@ Adam D….
Reconmarine makes no sense. Almost everyone else does. It shouldn’t be hard to figure out what right and what’s not. Try looking into these issues on your own. There’s sooooo much really good information about this issue that NO ONE should have any excuse for not knowing–except for not caring.
FM Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
@ Adam D…
There is more than enough really good information about this subject to have a pretty good understanding of happened and what didn’t happen, what’s true and what’s a lie.
There’s no excuse for anyone not to know about this unless they just don’t care.
Don’t wait for the pathetic mainstream media to address this subject because they won’t. They are complicit in this, just like Congress, they helped sell the lies about 9-11 and Iraq’s WMDs to the public. The MSM cannot be trusted to bring you the truth.
You must find the truth on your own, learn it for yourself instead of just believing anyone else–including me. Look for yourself and find the truth.
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Google the hegelian Dialectic and that should hepl to answer all of your questions or to at least begin to bring things together
April 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
***Attention all truthers.***
There is a debate at http://chicagoist.com/2009/04/.....s_trut.php
Only two truthers, including myself, have joined in on the argument. I’d like to ask some of you to join the conversation and post information to help the skeptics see the light.
To any of you skeptics that end up reading this: I know this information is difficult to handle. It doesn’t, however, make it any less true. The facts are too obvious to ignore or “debunk”. If you are so sure that the events that unfolded on 9/11 were anything but a grand conspiracy, then you need to support that with verifiable facts. But, you can’t. There is no way to prove that 9/11 WASN’T a grand conspiracy. It is much, much easier to prove that it was. There are hundreds upon hundreds of highly qualified individuals who all agree with each other – a.k.a Peer Review one another – that the various events of 9/11 could not have occurred the way the 9/11 Commission Report say they did.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
The rats are leaving the sinking ship.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
In a related topic:
The real story of Columbine
Much of what the public has been told about the 1999 shootings is wrong.
10 years later, the real story behind Columbine
By Greg Toppo, USA TODAY
They weren’t goths or loners.
The two teenagers who killed 13 people and themselves at suburban Denver’s Columbine High School 10 years ago next week weren’t in the “Trenchcoat Mafia,” disaffected videogamers who wore cowboy dusters. The killings ignited a national debate over bullying, but the record now shows Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold hadn’t been bullied — in fact, they had bragged in diaries about picking on freshmen and “fags.”
Their rampage put schools on alert for “enemies lists” made by troubled students, but the enemies on their list had graduated from Columbine a year earlier. Contrary to early reports, Harris and Klebold weren’t on antidepressant medication and didn’t target jocks, blacks or Christians, police now say, citing the killers’ journals and witness accounts. That story about a student being shot in the head after she said she believed in God? Never happened, the FBI says now.
A decade after Harris and Klebold made Columbine a synonym for rage, new information — including several books that analyze the tragedy through diaries, e-mails, appointment books, videotape, police affidavits and interviews with witnesses, friends and survivors — indicate that much of what the public has been told about the shootings is wrong.
MORE:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/n.....yahoorefer
April 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
By now more than 50% of Americans know about the 9/11 truth and yet nothing has happened, makes one wonder what igood is it doing.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Hello friends,
I’m a european French and we just got this information.
Now it is on the Web and lots of people will know that. This news will be spread like a disease. You can trust us, because in Europe we know we are ruled by a false flag (bankers) in our own country, like yours!
April 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Craig-
Im not the one that needs to provide facts. you are.
From a trial standpoint of evidence (supporting the truth)
For the last 25 years, multiple intelligence agencies have been tracking down Al Qaeda affiliated groups
Before 9/11, there was a massive increase of reporting of upcoming terrorist attacks in or against the US using aircraft.
2 days before 9/11, the leader of the Northern Alliance, the guy who would have lead the US to destroy the Taliban and Al Qaeda was killed
Then 9/11 happened.
Multiple witnesses saw the high jackers, same ones from the FBI page, travel on airplanes to their airports to catch their next flights or witnessed them arriving at their place of departure.
multiple witnesses saw them check in, go through security, and board the 4 planes used. Some still and video images available of them in the airports.
67 phone calls were made from the 4 collective high jacked planes. Information detailing appearance, seats and tactics were relayed to the FAA and other authorities. (only 2 were cell phone calls)
Hundreds of witnesses saw flight 11 fly into the 1st tower
hundreds of witnesses saw flight 175 hit the second
Minimal remains were discovered in the rubble of passengers and high jackers but DNA did ID flight 11 and 175 occupants along with multiple videos from multiple sources and angles.
flight 77 was seen by over 200 people flying into the Pentagon
DNA was I’d from all but one passenger, an infant. Nobody saw a global hawk or a missile
flight 93 was witnessed by over 30 people flying erratically and ultimately crashing into the ground at almost a 90 degree angle. 95% of that plane was recovered, along with the DNA of passengers and high jackers
From all 4 flights more then sufficient DNA and identifying hardware from the aircraft’s were found to properly ID the planes and occupants. Not to mention thousands of collective witnesses live and on TV.
The collapse of the towers is the largest studied engineering failure in the history of the world and the overwhelming majority of the EXPERTS who have done the research, AGREE with the official report as to how and why the towers fell. When a theologist or a cold fusion expert comes in a tells the real experts they are wrong, it’s a joke.
A hair follicale sample or a microscopic drop of blood can be used to ID if or if not a perosn was at a crime scene. There is mountains evidence supporting the basics of what happened on 9.11
Nobody knows the entire truth as to why we couldn’t respond, what else was done to hamper our reactions and who all knew what before the attacks happened. Thats all secondary to the basic facts of 9/11
Norman Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Squealer (Reconmarine). In a post above you were wrong so I thought I would point that out so you can change it in future posts. You made the false claim that:
“Your right, demo experts will tell you have to take out the bottom first because a controlled demolition starts from the bottom. They dont start at the impact site of the airliner crash like they did on 9/11.”
They can do it either way and if you check out demolition web pages they will show you this fact.
You are the pig in Animal Farm. You bend and twist the truth. You know that we are in Afghanistan because of the huge heroin trade and enormous profit of the drugs and we can’t let the Taliban take control of it again.
I think the people on these sights like your posts, I enjoy them as well. You tend to rile everyone up and most the posts are you or directed at you. The attention you receive is good for you Ego. At least you get some reward to yourself for being a demented pig.
real life Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Listen it would not be the government if they did not have the capabilty to cover their own butts. Now the fact is that those towers could not have been destroyed by simply being hit by an airplane. That would be like me throwing a pebble into the Pacific ocean and saying that I emptied out that water causing it to no longer exist. It’s just not fisable. The only way to truly destroy buildings of that degree isfrom the inside out and not hte other way around. You can not honestly sit here and tell me that you think that those aircrafts are what destroyed those structures.alone. No sweetie that did not happen and we ALL know it. They blew from the inside and the aircraftsjusthelped the process along. Now I know that you took the job to protect those whom are responsible for this kaos. Sorry for you but there is no way anyone would ever be able to pull someting like this off on American soil without help from the American government and that also is how the Middle East is involved because of course as usualthe government has to have a fall guy.
Tell me this If you have taken an oath to protect and serve and someone told you that the very thing that you swore to protect and serve was going to be attacked but not to do anything including read the letter or what ever form the warning came in would you listen and do nothing or would you read the information and then do everything in your power to stop the attack? answer that and think about what YOUR government did for you and all the other american citizens.
There is a lot more I could say and more than likely will in the course of time but now I am tired and will bid you all a good night!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t get mad just think (FOR YOURSELF) not what you have been told to believe
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:23 am
well, if they say its “al qaeda” i guess its “al qaeda”. you trust whatever intellignece and gov sources say dont you?
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
or we can beleive your theories that imply the last 25 years of intelligence officers and agents, US and others, have all been in on the whole entire operation or are so dumb they dont realize they are chasing their own people pretending to be Al Qaeda.
I dont think you realize accurately how big of an operation and how many people for how long it would have taken to make what the collective theories imply. Basically it would ahve to mean there are no good people serving in the military, JSOC, intelligence agencies, etc. That alone is such a huge stretch, it makes it all impossible from that aspect alone..
Not to mention sneaking thousands of lbs of demolitions into highly secure buildings, past bomb sniffing dogs, securing the demo in a manner that they are capable of withstanding airliner impacts, massive fires, falling steel and debris and water rushing around them. Because if only one little piece of the demo charges were later discovered in the rubble, it would have blow the entire operation..But NONE was found, and none of the booms were consistent with real demolitions. Oh yeah, and doing so completely undetected by the very attentive security and employees of the buildings. (especially the tenants of WTC7)
So yeah, if you suspend reality, just maybe they could ahve pulled it all off….Except, they also had to keep it a big secret for so long…….Something they have never been able to do…..
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:58 am
no need to suspend anything, just blindly trust “intel” sources like you always have. ignorance is bliss. still waiting for those answers to those very basic questions i asked. prove to us all that you are capable of more than ad homs and link posting.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
oh, and im not saying “al qaeda” doesnt exist in some capacity, im just not so much of a dupe where i would think that every time a gov or intel agency says “al qaeda” did something without hard proof makes it so. especially 9/11.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am
so if “al qaeda” did it, its not a big operation. if people connected to the US and/or “ally” govs/intel agencies did it it just had to be HUGE!!!!!!! according to your inconsistent logic. and thousands of pounds huh? you do know that the evidence points to thermite and not TNT or some shit right? and you do know that the Bush family was connected to security on the towers right? not exactly a trustworthy family.
KILL EM ALL Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Consider the SOURCE of this “intelligence” numbnuts!!!
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
April 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
There is a coward with a pen name of “reconmarine” on this board. Real Marines don’t hide behind screen names and I’m one to know, served honorably myself. So according to cowardwannabeIseriouslydoubtyoureamarineatall, the government lies but we are supposed to just believe them anyway and their paid shills? Who the hell are you to speak for all Marines? You are a fucking disgrace to my Corps boot! Your so-called debunking has been debunked many times over. You lurk on these boards with a fake screen name to give the impression that you are a real Marine when in fact you’re nothing but a coward who cannot stand or debate the issues when serious questions are asked of you. If you want anyone to take you seriously come out from behind your screen name and state your case with some balls and integrity and stand in the light and be recognized. 911 was an inside job and I am a Marine, honorably discharged in 1990 and that is MY public statement. You don’t like that truth, then present an argument that can change my viewpoint. So far… NOTHING you have said to date, and I have read much of your bullshit, would make any thinking person change their minds about 911. Why should anyone here believe a coward such as you?
April 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Thanks Ken,
I was hoping one of the few and proud would stand up for themselves.
Anyone who tows the company line of BS like “reconmarine” is a spineless wannabee living in mommies basement.
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
April 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Eight years have passed since 911 Israel attacks. Too Late! O’bananass is another one of them pukes–He says: We must forget the past and look to the future.
Hear is one false flag that has been kept under wraps and it caused over 60 million folks to die.
–A lone german airforce pilot crossed the Englisg channel on a very foggy nite and released it’s bomb payload on Englisg soil. Remember,England declared war prior to this.On this far fitched false flag operation–England unleashed a massive bombing of German cities.
One military plane,one pilot,on a very foggy nite–as if Germans had only one plane–Very dangerous times ahead–it will happen again and Americans will suck the bullsh!t-right in :^(
April 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
NO ALLEGED DNA WAS FOUND FROM THE “HIJACKERS”!!! WHY “RECON”??? THEIR NAMES AREN’T ON ANY OF THE PASSENGERS LISTS AND MOST OF THEM ARE STILL ALIVE. WHY “RECON”???
PEOPLE, DON’T LET THIS RETARD WASTE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME. HE IS A TROLL!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Mommy, these guys aren’t playing fair. They are using facts against my dribbling government ass-kissing. I’m going to be demoted if I don’t convince at least one of these “truthers” that the government is our friend and here to protect us from those evil guys in the funny hats. Tell them to play fair……BOO HOO
John Rock Sold Humanity to Highest Bidder Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Ok – I am trying to believe that you aren’t dis-information. I am well versed in the Chemtrails so here is your government trying to protect you – honest…There are some government workers who aren’t DoD or totally sold out. OOOOOPS – you will notice that the research and funding abruptly stops almost as fast as all of these studies popped up – if you want to put your conspiracy theory hat on. SHEEPLES PLEASE WAKE UP AND CONNECT THE DOTS. And I am one of the good guys in the funny hat.
From the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health…
NIOSH Safety and Health Topic:
Nanotechnology
Strategic Plan for NIOSH Nanotechnology Research: Filling the Knowledge Gaps
Appendix I. NIOSH sponsored conferences
1. First International Symposium on Occupational Health Implications of Nanomaterials, October 12–14, 2004, Buxton, UK. The conference is co-sponsored by the U.K. Health and Safety Executive and NIOSH.
2. Second International Symposium of Nanotechnology and Occupational Health, October 3–6, 2005, Minneapolis, MN.
3. Frontiers in Aerosol Dosimetry Research, October 24–25, 2005, Irvine, CA.
4. Mechanisms of Action of Inhaled Fibers, Particles, and Nanoparticles in Lung and Cardiovascular Disease, October 25–28, 2005, Research Triangle Park, NC.
Appendix J. Invited presentations.
1. Castranova V. Potential toxicity of nanoparticles. 2004 Northwest Occupational Health Conference. Portland, OR, October 14, 2004.
2. Castranova V. Toxicity of ultrafine particles. NASA Scientific Group, Houston, TX, February 17, 2005.
3. Castranova V. Nanotechnology safety and health research in NIOSH. Korean Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Daejeon, South Korea, May 12, 2005.
4. Castranova V. Pulmonary response to exposure to carbon nanotubes. Korean Society of Toxicology, Seoul, South Korea, May 13, 2005.
5. Castranova V. Toxicity of ultrafine particles. University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia, July 12, 2005.
6. Castranova V. Toxicity of ultrafine particles. University of Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia, July 14, 2005.
7. Castranova V. Toxicity of single-walled carbon nanotubes and other ultrafine particles. The Centre for Nanoscience and Nanotechnology, University of Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia, July 14, 2005.
8. Castranova V. General toxicological issues of potential concern with nanoparticles, as overview. Nanotechnology Building Block for Tomorrow’s Advanced Technology, Perth, Australia, July 18, 2005.
9. Castranova V. Toxicity of ultrafine particles. Ian Wark Research Institute, University of South Australia, Adelaide, Australia, July 26, 2005.
10. Castranova V. Pulmonary toxicity of single walled carbon nanotubes and other ultrafine particles. Research School of Physical Sciences and Engineering, The Australian National University, Canberra, Australia, July 27, 2005.
11. Castranova V. Pulmonary toxicity of single walled carbon nanotubes. National Industrial Chemicals Notification and Assessment Scheme. Sydney, Australia, July 29, 2005.
12. Gardner P, Richardson A, Rengasamy A. Efficiency of respirator filters against nano-aerosols under high flow conditions. 2nd International Symposium on Nanotechnology and Occupational Health, Minneapolis, MN, October 4–6, 2005.
13. Hoover MD. Mixed exposure issues for nanotechnology safety. 1st International Symposium on Nanotechnology and Occupational Health, Buxton, UK, October 11–14, 2004.
14. Hoover MD, Miller AL, Lowe, NT, Stefaniak AB, Day, GA, Linch KD. Information management for nanotechnology safety and health. 1st International Symposium on Nanotechnology and Occupational Health, Buxton, UK, October 11–14, 2004.
15. Hoover MD. An introduction to nanotechnology and the possible hazards. Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health Lecture, West Virginia University, Morgantown, WV, March 1, 2005.
16. Hoover MD. Lung dosimetry of boundary fire smoke samples. Wildfire Symposium, Morgantown, WV, March 31, 2005.
17. Hoover MD. NIOSH nanotechnology informatics overview. NIOSH-Altair Nanotechnologies, Inc. Information Exchange Meeting, Reno, NV, April 19, 2005.
18. Hoover MD. Informatics for nanotechnology safety and health. Round Table on the Role of the Occupational Safety and Health Professional in the Emerging Nanotechnology Industry, American Industrial Hygiene Conference and Exposition, Anaheim, CA, May 24, 2005.
19. Hoover MD. Nanotechnology: addressing potential health impact. Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists, Albuquerque, NM, June 6, 2005.
20. Howard J. The NIOSH nanotechnology initiative: ensuring a safe and healthful workforce in a changing environment. Kansas City Safety & Health Conference, American Society of Safety Engineers, Kansas, MO, July 14–15, 2005.
21. Howard J. The NIOSH nanotechnology initiative: ensuring a safe and healthful workforce in a changing environment. The Art of Safety: the 10th Anniversary Commemorative Safety & Health Congress & Expo, Isla Verde, PR, July 30–August 5, 2005.
22. Howard J. The NIOSH nanotechnology initiative: ensuring a safe and healthful workforce in a changing environment. OSHA Health Forum, Denver, CO, August 31, 2005.
23. Kim SC, Harrington MS, Rengasamy A, Pui DYH. Collection efficiency of filter media for nanoscale particles. 2nd International Symposium on Nanotechnology and Occupational Health, Minneapolis, MN, October 4–6, 2005.
24. King B, Gao P. A passive aerosol sampler for evaluation of personal protective ensembles. Advanced Personal Protective Equipment: Challenges in Protecting First Responders Conference, Blacksburg, VA, October 16–18, 2005.
25. Kuempel E. Assessing the health risks of nanomaterials in workers: current knowledge and research gaps. Meeting of the National Research Council, Board on Environmental Science and Toxicology, Woods Hole, MA, October 7, 2004.
26. Kuempel E. Nanomaterials: a risk to workers’ health? OSHA/NIOSH Interagency Health Outcome Conference, Salt Lake City, UT, November 16, 2004.
27. Luster M. Nanoparticles toxicity testing issues. Nanotoxicology Workshop, Gainsville, FL, November 3–4, 2004. Luster M. Nanoparticles toxicity issues. Ramazzini Collegium, Bologna, Italy, September 18–21, 2005.
28. Maynard A. Working with engineered nanomaterials: towards developing responsible work practices in an uncertain world. National Nanotechnology Infrastructure Network (NNIN) meeting. Nanosafe: A Workshop on Environmental Health and Safety in Nanotechnology Research, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, December 2, 2004.
29. Maynard A. Nanotechnology and occupational health. Professional Conference of Industrial Hygienists, Montreal, Canada, October 5, 2004.
30. Maynard A. Nanotechnology and occupational health. American Chemical Council Nanotechnology Workshop, Atlanta, GA, October 20, 2004.
31. Maynard A. Laboratory safety and disposal issues. Nanotoxicology Workshop, Gainsville, FL, November 3, 2004.
32. Maynard A. Working at the nanoscale: nanotechnology and potential health risks. CDC/Environmental & Occupational Health & Injury Prevention Coordination Center, Atlanta, GA, November 9, 2004.
33. Maynard A. Nanotechnology: challenges and opportunities. OSHA/NIOSH Interagency Health Outcome Conference, Salt Lake City, UT, November 16, 2004.
34. Maynard A. Nanotechnology at NIOSH. NORA Liaison Committee Meeting, Washington, DC, December 2, 2004.
35. Maynard A. Generating and characterizing airborne nanoparticles. American Association for the Advancement of Science Conference, Washington, DC, February 20, 2005.
36. Maynard A. Understanding the potential impact of nanotechnology on occupational health. University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH, February 23, 2005.
37. Maynard A. Nanomaterials and occupational health. Establishing a healthy working environment. The World Environment Center International Environment Forum, New York, March 10, 2005.
38. Maynard A. Responsible nanotechnology and the working environment. National Research Council Review of the U.S. National Nanotechnology Initiative Meeting on Responsible Nanotechnology, Washington, DC, March 24, 2005.
39. Maynard A. Working with engineered nanomaterials: towards developing safe work practices. University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH, May 2, 2005.
40. Maynard A. Working with engineered nanomaterials: towards developing safe work practices. Korean Occupational Safety and Health Agency (KOSHA), Daejeon, South Korea, May 11, 2005.
41. Maynard A. Nanotechnology and occupational health―addressing potential health risks. Korean Society of Toxicology Annual Conference, Seoul, Korea, May 13, 2005.
42. Maynard A. Nanotechnology: overview and relevance to occupational health. American Industrial Hygiene Conference and Exposition, Anaheim, CA, May 24, 2005.
43. Maynard A. Nanotechnology and occupational health. American Industrial Hygiene Conference and Exposition, Anaheim, CA, May 24, 2005.
44. Maynard A. Working at the nanoscale: nanotechnology and potential health risk. American Industrial Hygiene Conference and Exposition, Anaheim, CA, May 24, 2005.
45. Porter D. Particulate handling in the human lung. Biological Effects of Lunar Dust Workshop, Sunnyvale, CA, March 29–31, 2005.
46. Porter D. Toxicity of ultrafine particles. Nanotechnology: Occupational Safety and Health Perspectives. 21st Annual Kentucky Governor’s Safety and Health Conference and Exposition, Louisville, KY, May 11, 2005.
47. Shvedova A. Pulmonary toxicity of carbon nanotubes. International Congress on Nanotechnology, San Francisco, CA, November 7–10, 2004.
48. Shvedova A. Pulmonary toxicity of carbon nanotube: what we know and what we do not know. National Nanotechnology Infrastructure Network (NNIN) meeting. Nanosafe: A Workshop on Environmental Health and Safety in Nanotechnology Research, Atlanta, GA, December 1–3, 2004.
49. Shvedova A. Pulmonary toxicity of SWCNT (Single-walled carbon nanotubes). National Nanotechnology Infrastructure Network (NNIN) meeting. Nanosafe: A Workshop on Environmental Health and Safety in Nanotechnology Research, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, December 2, 2004.
50. Shvedova S. Pulmonary toxicity of carbon nanotubes. American Chemical Society, San Diego, CA, March 26–28, 2005.
51. Shvedova A. Pulmonary oxidative stress, inflammation, and fibrosis induced by single wall carbon nanotubes. 2nd International Symposium on Nanotechnology and Occupational Health, Minneapolis, MN, October 3–6, 2005.
52. Shvedova A. Pulmonary toxicity of carbon nanotubes. 8th International Conference on Mechanisms of Action of Inhaled Fibers, Particles, and Nanoparticles in Lung and Cardiovascular Diseases, Research Triangle Park, NC, October 25–28, 2005.
53. Simeonova P. Nanoparticles-systemic and vascular effects. Nanotoxicology: Biomedical Aspects, Nanotoxicology 2006, Miami, FL, January 29–February 1, 2006.
April 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Paid Trolls sure come out to fight those 911 truth stories.
They care oh so much what people THINK ~
Israel-first, dual-national AIPAC must ‘protect’ all guilty Neocons from murder charges!
April 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Anyone know where I can get some Vaseline? I’m getting screwed!
. Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uBI-KXsRM
April 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
The only thing this book will “reveal” is how incompetent the gov’t was. They already used that excuse already, been there done that…
April 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Nice comments everyone. You all seem to be quite informed. A little rude but well informed.
@Reconmarine
I guess I need to go back and study what info was released in the years following 911. How did you find out that the overwhelming majority of experts who have done the research agree with the official report? Where do you get your information? Do you have many friends who hate truthers? Is seeking the truth bad? As a child, I also thought everyone was just doing as good as they could. Not that your a child.
@copie69
If that many of you know you’re being ruled by a false flag than what’s the plan?
April 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
i am a marine also. everyone who stays in long enough, or talks to enoughof the older marines; knows these wars are set up in advance. it is well documented in korea/vietnam; the communists were given advance warning of our upcoming offensives by u.s. state department employees and hi-level dipolomats. upon entering seoul south korea; officers went to american embassy to secure its’ remmennants and investigate. official reports on north korean troop movements and enemy shelling of the south and enemy infiltrators whom were intterrogated by us were passed on to u.s. embassy ambassador and employees, whom never, repeat, never transmitted or mailed by diplomatic pouch, that u.s. military officers were constantly reiterating the same basic theme, that north korean invasion of the south was soon. our officers told our government we did not have heavy weapons or military vehicles to withstand any kind of military offensive from the north. so, the rich people got their war and the working class fought it for them and americans had to subsidise the wounded men even to this day, not even objecting to these wars.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Well, “Reconmarine”, I just don’t know what to say! I don’t believe you have done ANY REAL RESEARCH ANYWHERE! Because if you truly have, you would find more convincing evidence of the contrary to what this government and all of its masters and lackeys have said, IN PLAIN VIEW! There is just NO HOPE FOR YOU!!!
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:30 am
he admits he didnt read the latest paper despite his rantings against it. he said hes gonna wait for the “real experts”(meaning gov funded/sanctioned) to tell him what to think about it. hes waiting on a “Debunker” website response to it so he can formulate his own based on theirs.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
No cock boy Im being honest in that Im not gonna pretend to know something I dont.
I will be the first to admit it if evidence comes out clearly showing a controlled demolition. Despite what you clowns think, I do this on my own, nobody pays me or instructs me…
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:11 am
again with the cock stuff? whats with THAT fixation? i know how some of you boys in the marines aare but jesus man, you really are going to get people thinking here. anyway, i dont think anybody pays you for this, you are clearly a “true believer”. DOnt bash something you know nothing about, it makes you look like an ass.
reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
beck-
Dont bash something I know nothing about? Like a cold fusion expert telling the worlds leading engineers or demolition experts they are wrong? Or a theologist telling scientists how to do their job? Good advice, now take it.
True believer in the truth..
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
you cant answer any of my simple questions. you really are just digging yourself a bigger hole here. try again.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
@ADMIN!
Why are my posts being deleted???
My language is clean, my arguments are sound, and I call the info as I see it!!!
Why are my posts summarily disappearing upon refresh, there, ADMIN??? HMMMM???
April 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
There is not a single piece of evidence linking OBL with 911, other than the phony video and various tapes produced by Mossad and Shin Bet for the purpose of marginalizing Arabs and most especially to cause wars and mayhem in Middle East. If US Air Force could nopt stop four “hijacked” planes in almost two hours, how the heck are they going to defend this country in case it was really attacked? Are the North Koreans or somebody else going to knock on the door before they blow us up tyo smitherens?
seredin lies Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Alex
Seredin is nothing more than a hater who blames the Jews and Israel for everything that is wrong in his warped mind. Read about him anywhere on the net and you will find he is nothing more than an old Canadian man sitting behind a counter trying to sell crappy seashells to tourists in Delray Beach Florida. On top of those credentials he blogs day and night ranting and raving about how the Jews and Israel are the cause for all problems in the world today. Time for this phony to fess up to his anti semetic nature and admit that he is nothing more than an old, ornery, poor soul who has lost his way and wants to blame others for the fact that he amounted to nothing in his life. Hey–I know–he really wanted to grow up to try to sell seashells to tourists in Delray Beach. Well give the man his due–he lived up to his own expectations. Dirt like this will rot in hell along with OBL, Castro, Huessein, and Jack the Ripper.
Byron Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
C’mere so I can slap the living shit out of you! Are you saying Jews and Israel was NOT involved in 9/11? Seriously, do you know how much evidence you would have to ignore to come to that conclusion? You’re either a shill or extremely uninformed. Either way, don’t start barking your “anti-Semitic” bullshit every time someone criticizes Jews. People aren’t buying into it anymore man. Your day is done. Guess what Arabs are Semitic people as well, they are, by definition, Semites, whereas 80% of Jews in Israel today are not the original Hebrew Jews of the Bible, they migrated from Khazaria, where Georgia is now near the black sea. Israel has no right to exist. The people are waking up now, they are beginning to figure out Israel was behind the 911 attack, the king david hotel bombing, the USS Liberty, the Lavon affair…they can see israels genocide of the Palestinians and they aren’t going to take it anymore. The whole world is waking up to Israel, they WILL GET WHATS COMING TO THEM and sincerely hope trash like you that defend these people get yours as well.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:34 am
Google-”Dov Zakheim,9/11″, “Dominic Suter,Urban Moving Systems,9/11″ and “Israeli art student spy ring,9/11″ to inform yourself better(if you have the balls). “the jews” didnt do 9/1 but clearly some ISraelis were involved. do your homework before spouting off like that, you are clearly uninformed on the subject.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 8:41 am
The problem is you guys beleive everything that supports your theories without further investigating…..If a 9/11 truth sites says something, go investigate it through multiple sources not related to 9/11 truth…..
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
no sir, that would be you, stop projecting. Big Daddy gov/intel-”the scary muslims did it, you can go back to sleep now”.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
@ADMIN.
I guess I can take back my “April 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm” post, I finally see the site update!
***
Here’s the fact about “terrorism” folks:
Each act always precedes the ruling power’s(s’) desire to gain more power and control,
Each act always results in a new industry or growing an existing one to “meet the challenge”,
Each act always seems to have very few answers for long periods of time, and then causally “blame some unforeseen ‘enemy’ “,
Each act always is followed by some “economic shakedown or ‘collapse’ “,
Each act always results in the people ( citizens ) becoming less free,
Each act always provides the excuse for governmental expansionism as well as increased taxes to pay for such,
Each act always has the standing media following the “official explanation”, no matter how flawed or half-baked the ‘theories’ offered,
Each act always results in more imperial expansion through more wars, taxation, and global-interventionist policies,
… Do I need go any further???
Go check your history, deniers!!! Let’s not ever mention Operation Northwoods, oh no!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Reconmarine, I’ve spent thousands of hours studying 911 and the invasion of Iraq, and clearly, what the USG stated as being the truth quite simply wasn’t.
As you must have noticed, there are so many inconsistencies with the USG version of events, that it would take too many scores of hours to debate most of them, never mind all of them.
So what have you actually found as being untruthful as stated by the USG regarding 911 and the alleged Iraqi WMDs? What does NOT make sense to YOU of the Government’s statements of alleged facts?
Why, for instance, does this page no longer exist on norad.mil? Why was it removed?:
http://www.norad.mil/presrelNORADTimelines.htm
It’s archived at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200.....elines.htm
Compare and contrast with what appeared in Aviation Week:
http://www.aviationnow.com/con.....i_stor.htm [not available anymore]:
Like this quote: ‘Also an airline pilot, Duffy had a bad feeling about the suspected hijacking; something didn’t feel right. Consequently, he jammed the F-15’s throttles into afterburner and the two-ship formation devoured the 153 mi. to New York City at supersonic speeds. “It just seemed wrong. I just wanted to get there. I was in full-blower all the way,” he said.’
See: http://web.archive.org/web/200.....i_stor.htm
And your comments on Colin Powell’s speech at the UN in Feb 2003 regarding those alleged Iraqi weapons et al, would be appreciated.
I’ll be offline now till pm 04/15, so that’ll be why I don’t reply to you right now.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Parhaps Reconmarine is a part of the same misinformation team with ‘Pixels’ who appeard on the United Kingdom BBC, The Editors site under the story; ‘Caught up in a conspiracy’. Pixels was dissected by Steve Austin from Ottawa truth and then he dissapeared. The CIA/MI6/Mossad/ shills are showing signs that their bosses are geting nervous, as all they can suggest has well and truly been debunked. Get updates from 911bloger.com and let us resurect Simon Wiesenthall to follw up on his great job of tracking down murderous war animals.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
The Counsel for the 911 attacks says the report is falsified?
SO WHAT!
The government through the US Income Tax and the “Federal” “Reserve” have completely DESTROYED the United States of America as founded by Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, etc etc.
YOU DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC — AND YOU NEVER HAVE.
You live in a Plutocratic Oligarchy – and the sooner you realize that fact, the sooner you’ll realize a lie BIGGER than 5 BILLION “9/11s”.
So, EVEN IF John Farmer is now blatantly telling you the 911 “Commission” report is a coverup, just what do you – YOU – intend to do about it? Protest carrying a sign? PUH – LEASE.
I’ll tell you what you’re going to do, you’re going to do exactly what the Oligarchy says or they’ll crash your economy and make you starve in the streets, and they’ll make Obama take the blame so some idiot can kill the first half African President – and it won’t be the first dead president they’ve delivered to the hereafter.
PERIOD.
And Obama? He’s a coward. He knows they’ll kill him if he doesn’t “do the dance”. He also knows that he’ll be rewarded as long as he does what the Oligarchy wants – which is exactly what he’s been doing since day one.
Obama is a coward.
And you can tell him I said so. I’ll tell him myself.
A brave man only dies once. A coward dies a thousand times.
maninwarren Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
I don’t think they’d kill him. They don’t want a martyr. Better a scapegoat: http://9112010.com/9112010.html
April 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Reconmarine has done a great job dominating this board, with the help of almost everyone here. If he’s paid by how many responses he gets to his trolling, I’d say he just got himself a HUGE paycheck.
Just thought the rest of you would want to know.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
And just to show you that I can be sucked in just as bad as the next guy…
Hey Recon, if it “took so long” to clean up, why did Rep. Crowley say this:
“But I do believe that conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day with this. They are going to make the Warren Commission look like a walk in the park. And that is unfortunate not only for the Members of Congress who are trying to work on this issue, but for all the families out there that are listening very carefully to what we are talking about today, what these experts are saying. And I just think there is so much that has been lost in these last six months that we can never go back and retrieve. And that is not only unfortunate, it is borderline criminal.”
in this meeting: LEARNING FROM 9/11—UNDERSTANDING THE COLLAPSE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
?
(Read it yourself: http://commdocs.house.gov/comm.....747_0.htm)
Answer: because Dr. W. Gene Corley, head of the team tasked with studying ” the performance of the buildings at the World Trade Center Complex and the Pentagon” after 911, just told the honorable gentleman that by the time he and his team arrived on the scene, the “City of New York” had already been selling off steel from the remains of the buildings, and had been doing so for AT LEAST a week. And we still don’t know who gave that order, but it’s all been written off as “incompetence” and “poor communication”. At the crime scene of the worst attack on US soil EVER?! What a coincidence!
One more thing. When asked by Mr. Crowley, “So you don’t believe that there was any material that was lost that was significant that day.” Dr. Corley responded, “No. I really didn’t say that. What I said was that I believe—or what I implied was that we will be able to draw supportable conclusions and analyze the building to understand what happened without the steel that has been disposed of.”
Here’s hoping Dr. Corley’s right, huh, Recon? But we’ll never really know, will we? How much steel can a determined bunch of true-believer covert ops guys move, or have directed to be moved by hundreds of underlings (who, based on “need to know”, don’t know what’s going on), in a week? Especially if they know what they’re looking for? Hard to say, given that THERE’S NEVER BEEN A REAL INVESTIGATION OF 9/11.
maninwarren Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I just realized, I might not have gone slow enough. Here goes:
If the really juicy evidence was removed within the first few days or weeks of the attack, then it really doesn’t matter how long they took to clean up the rest, does it? Because all the good stuff was long gone. Still with me? They could be there for 20 years and only find stuff that supports the official snow job. See?
Hell, even Dr. Corley didn’t know for sure. And given the stakes, I’d think most Americans would want to know for sure.
Byron Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Actually, we do know some key people that gave the order to remove the steel and the company responsible for the removal. Time magazines “person of the year” (ready to vomit yet?) Rudi Gulianni (Life long supporter of Israel and probably a Zionist) gave orders for a “scoop and dump” operation to immediately remove the steel. This removal of crime scene evidence was handled by a company called Metals Management – a New York company with a Jewish (Zionist?) president named Alan Ratner. Ratner then turned around and shipped the WTC’s steel to China and India for recycling!
More damming evidence of Israel’s involvement with 911. Most Americans don’t understand that Israel has operatives in high levels of government and business here in America (especially NYC) that can and will aid them in their disgusting crimes.
maninwarren Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Rudi “I’d sell my mother’s soul for power” Giuliani gave the order? Perfect. Oh, yeah, he’d never do ANYTHING unseemly with regards to 9/11.
Thanks for the update.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
This Reconmarine poster (if it’s not an autospambot) appears to be what is commonly known as a traitor, an appeaser, a weasel and an intellectual coward. He is also ignorant of basic science and is clueless as to the timeline of 9/11 (or he/she/it has cherrypicked the facts that support the official wacknut narrative, which is “as weak as soup made from the shadow of a pigeon that has starved to death”. He’s under the illusion that he’s a patriot, but in reality he’s sticking up for the people who are wrecking this country. The “conspiracy theory, by the way, is the fairytale about 19 arabs and an ex CIA asset in a cave 10,000 miles away.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
that was really ignorant and uncalled for you are attacking this man in a very disrespectful manner why because he said that everything you have written where a bunch of lies. it’s an opinion no need to attack personal character unless He struck a nerve.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:14 am
ignorant and uncalled for?
What do you think lying about 9/11 is?????
Completely ignoring reality and the mountain of evidence is ignorant.
uncalled for? Like pretending 9/11 was an inside job or that we are even capable of doing that?
That is uncalled fro dip shit…
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
to reconmarine
First of all let’s get it right I have yet to call you out of your name there is no need for the name calling that is something a child would do when they feel that they have been cornered or have absolutly nothing else to say.
Now the fact is Sept 11 was plotted and planned by the American Government there is no way around that. It is not our fault that you chose to believe in a government that is all about power money and greed. That all leads to corruption. Now if you take the time and read a little bit not just the things that hte government puts put but other books and reports you will see IF you allow yourself to see the truth and I do understand that it is a very hard thing to do because YOU signed up for the job to protect them at all cost so you are only doing what you get paid to do and that is to believe in your employer.
I want you to do one thing not for me but for yourself I want you to take five (5) minutes and look up The Hegelian Dialectic, read it, take notes, amd come back with a real arguement next time. Don’t just say you’ve read it because I will call you on it and we will talk after you have read it and go a little futher into detail about Sept.11 after that.
EVERYONE on this board please read uop on THe Hegelian Dialectic,I promise it will bring things full circle.
Justin Thought Reply:
April 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
real life, in case our favorite marine can’t find it, here’s a good link:
What is the Hegelian Dialectic? http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm
Interesting read. Alex, of course, calls it “Problem, Reaction, Solution,” Icke claims to have come up with it. Call it Rose, if you want, the result is the same, the powers-that-be manage to push their agenda along another little tip-toed step.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
“What are you gonna do for a face when the baboon wants his ass back?”
Abraham Lincoln
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfPahciKvGE
April 14th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvwzanCLCo
Well, that is the agenda, isn’t it? Loot and BANKRUPTt this republic until the people are so desperate they will get down on their knees and beg for mother government to “save them.” The goal is world government brought on by an engineered financial crisis.
Revenues will continue to drop because of foreclosures. People living in tents or their cars don’t take trips to Hawaii or buy anything other than essentials. Commercial real estate is sinking due to vacancies, as in businesses going out of business. On my recent trip to Washington, DC., I saw something I’ve never seen before along the freeways – dozens of billboards which read: Rent this space for 50% off! Advertising revenues drying up. It’s all contracting while these craven crooks in Congress and the usurper president continue to spend ONE BILLION DOLLARS A DAY(on Phony Wars and Bankster Bail-Out payments).
Birgid Reply:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
So well stated, XFactor; wish your comment wasn’t true. Will now watch the video you cited above.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Sounds a lot like the U.S.S. Liberty attack! (Another Israeli false flag covered up by our own government). 9/11 was clearly an Israeli false flag event, like many they have staged in the past. Take the ‘93 World Trade Center bombing…did you know that Jew/dual-citizen Micheal Chertoff covered up that attack, just like he helped cover up 911 and allowed captured MOSSAD agents that were caught red-handed in SIM MOVING VANS (an intelligence front) with knifes, bombs and box cutters (the same things the supposed Arab hijackers had). On Chertofs orders, they were allowed to return to Israel. DUAL CITIZEN chertoff heads the dept of homeland security, which is now preping to engage the American people with some sort of biological attack. Jew Larry Silverstien, close personal friend to Israel prime minister Benjamin Netanyahoo, set up an insurance scam for the buildings he leased. MOSSAD and Israeli operations trained in explosive ordinance technology were allowed into his buildings to wire them to blow up on the day of 9/11. All companies and organizations involved in 911 were Israel owned, including the airport security comprised of former SHINBET officers. Airport security was not investigated due to a clause written, allowing immunity for security run by a “foreign country.” It’s amazing how AJ glosses over these and other critical facts…As for high level officials in our government as well as our media covering all this up, yes, absolutely, our country acts as a client state to Israel, hence our elected officials will ALWAYS do what is best for ISRAEL, not the United States and certainly not its people.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Reconmarine, have you seen 911missinglinks? What is your take on Israeli involvement in 911? Why do you suppose the U.S.S. Liberty attack has been covered up in this country all these years and we never went to war with Israel for this?
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 9:16 am
USS liberty and 9/11 are 2 different things.
There is plenty of info on both subjects out there…
Yes, Ive seen the 9/11 missing links movie.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Did you know the leader of Al-Qaeda as seen in several of the videos is one Adam Gadahon, but his real name is Adam Peralman, a JEW born in the USA. Here is what wikipedia says on his background:
Gadahn’s Jewish paternal grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was a prominent surgeon and on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League; his paternal grandmother, Agnes Branch, was an editor for The Chronicle Christian Newspaper
A JEW heading up an “Islamic Extremist Group” is like a black man being the leader of the Klu Klux Klan. The entire thing is such an extreme farce, I honestly cant believe anyone could be stupid enough to believe it given the facts.
Only a few older Bin Laden videos were legitimate. The recent ones were all proven fake. BL is mostly likely dead. French papers reported he was visited on a hospital bed in Dubai by a CIA agent just days before his death. This would make sense considering the CIA funded and trained the group (also know as the base) to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan (back when we referred to them as ‘freedom fighters’ not terrorists.) And Bin Ladens code name was Tim Osman, he was a CIA operative.
Its the same stinking pattern over and over and over and over again….we prop up some extremist group, fund and train them when we need them to be our “friends” then stab them in the back later when America needs an “enemy.” Its all pure bullshit my friends.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
None of the videos have been proven fake. Audio tapes authenticity and dates have been questioned but NONE of the UBL videos have..NONE.
Adam Gadhan was a Jew but converted to Islam.
UBL did not visit a hospital in Dubai.
The CIA and ISI funded the afghan mujahadeen which later became the Northen Alliance.
The base was made up from the Arab Mujahadeen. 2 different groups but commonly used for conspiracy theorists who cant dig past the surface of a great head line…”CIA trained Bin laden”
But if the CIA did support him while they fought the soviets, our enemy at the time, did you expect them to know what he would do 25 years later? Do you know what the current president of Iraq will be doing in 25 years? We support him right now so….
We didnt stab them in the back other then deserting them after they defeated the soviets. They took over power so they hardly were stabbed in the back…
UBL was pissed at America for having troops in the holy land. When Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia, UL offered the Saudis his “base” to fend off an Iraqi attack. The Saudis took the Americans offer instead really pissing off Bin laden…He also didn’t like the effect of the sanctions on the Iraqi people. 1 million Iraqis dead. Even though Saddam built 58 new palaces under sanctions and was caught sending UN provided baby food out to be sold on the black market, UBL blamed the UN which he thinks is controlled by the US. He also didnt realize the French, Chinese and Russians were violating the same sanctions they signed off on and ere selling illegal weapons to Saddam and trading for oil….End result, the money stayed in Saddams family, Iraqis died, UBL blamed America and thats what he declared in his Fatwas…Have you read the history of Afghanistan? Iraq? The world?
I do agree with your last comment though, everything you just said was”pure bullshit”
April 15th, 2009 at 12:56 am
What do these pictures tell you?
http–www_whatreallyhappened_com-IMAGES-wtc_cutter2_jpg.mht
reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
It tells me, just like the engineers and firefighters who were there, that they used oxygen/acetylene torches to cut the remaining steel beams.
Mostly because that area survived the collapse and demolitions wouldn’t be needed there for the building to collapse…
What does it tell you?
KILL EM ALL Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am
You dumbass!!! Try standing next to those beams and cutting a beam that size with “oxygen/acetylene torches” and see if you can make a perfect 45 degree angle cut straight across the depth of the beam (and not die in the process). It would take WAY too long to cut that steel with a torch and it would be a jagged cut. How stupid are you? That is a shaped charge, period!!!
http://whatreallyhappened.com/.....ermite.htm
So, if you are so knowledgeable, skilled, and brave…… how do you have so much time dedicated to trolling websites……where no one believes you??? Your life is a joke, man. Tell Israel that they are not paying you enough money. Demand more “hazard pay” for getting your ass handed to you over and over. Disinformation, distortion, half-truths, outdated and debunked reports and articles, etc……. HAHAHA
April 15th, 2009 at 2:09 am
“Ill give you or anyone else $1000.00USD if you can produce i post 9/11 picture…”
What are you going to do, steal it from your mommy’s purse?
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
2 very predictable replies when challenging truthers to provide evidence to their claims….
April 15th, 2009 at 3:31 am
“Thats funny, i work with people at the highest levels of all branches, State dept included”
ROFLMAO, So I guess Hillary Clinton has got your grunt ass on speed dial then? With every post you reveal yourself as a lying troll with delusions of grandeur. Please keep it up, your comic relief is priceless.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 9:01 am
No, I never said I worked with that whore….
But I do work with and around allot of people you clowns implicate in your theories….
April 15th, 2009 at 5:09 am
You have to ask yourself,What’s the purpose of all this false flags,violations,murders,etc.. by controllers who’s possitions on civil and military goverments around the world? Creation of Fear on peoples minds to easily maneuverability and to reach the New World Order.
But the problem to this obscure Order is that there are good people around the planet that firmly oppose to human slavery no matter who,what or where they are.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:23 am
and you cant answer even basic questions. did you read the paper that you are criticizing so hard yet?
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Yes, cock, Ive read the paper. And Ill read what the unbiased experts have to say about their findings.
Unlike you, Ill be honest in their assessments.
Ill be home at the end of this week if you want to meet up??Eugene, Oregon
Anyone from Oregon want to meet? Id love to chat about the allegations of my employment…
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am
cock? you really are fixated huh? You still didnt answer my very basic questions though. again, extremely telling.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:25 am
recon, you didnt even read the latest paper and dont know who authored it, you;ve made this clear. your gonna have a hard time converting anybody to your side with such sloppy “research”. if that is your purpose.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Ill have a hard time converting people because most of you dont really care about the truth, you care about yourself and your theories making you feel apart of something bigger then yourself. It’s a sad motive.
If i debunk a claim, you either;
A. Ignore it and move on to another subject
B. say the source is lying
C. Lie
and most commonly,
D. All of the above
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am
and yet, after all that childish name calling and ranting, you have yet to answeer my extremely basic questions. yet again this is very telling.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:28 am
more money was spent on investigating Clintons blowjob than on 9/11. your guys Bush and Cheney refused to talk under oath or have their statements recorded. your blind trust is not helping you. and you talk about doing “research” yet you failed to even read the latest paper showing nanothermites in the WTC dust. you kind of exposed yourself.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Another common myth amongst truthers…..Actually, the origin of your bullshit is, the cost of the 9/11 commission was less then Clintons blow job investigation. The actual research and investigations into 9/11 collectively from all the different agencies that the 9/11 commission reported on was larger then any other. It also out spent any other…..
Just another perfect example of how you guys twist facts and the truth to make your point…..My blind trust? I dont blindly trust anyone, Ive done all my own research.
As far as Bush not speaking under oath, I think they should have held him down and water boarded him. That motherfucker and every president need to realize they work for us, the people, so says our constitution.
Ive read the latest paper. Ive also read Dr. jones first paper where he swore he found thermate before, and that was later found to be inaccurate. So again, I will wait for honest peer review. Especially by people who don’t allready think they know the answers before the work is done…
You expose yourself by blindly following the 9/11 truth movement…
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:09 am
SEMANTICS! the money that BushCheney alloted for the 9/11 attack was lower than any recent disaster, not just Clintons blowjob(and did you forget that Cheney/Bush were against investigating at all until basically shamed into it? and did you forget Kissinger was picked to head it? you trust him right?). you are the one that yet again twisted the facts. and keep on ducking my basic questions, you only expose yourself further. keep digging. “i’ll wait for the “experts……”. Right. baaaaaaaa.
reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Again, you can lie all you want, it wont change the facts that the amount spent collectively on investigating 9/11 was unprecedented in it’s size and it has been investigated more then anything else world wide.. Just the facts.
I dont support GW Bush or Cheney and as i said before, they should have been water boarded to tell what all happened on 9.11 and what they knew. The fact they tried to avoid an investigation is a crime. If it was an inside job they would have had it all planned out how to answer questions of an investigation. I dont think they would ahve this massive elaborate plan requiring years of operations and thousands of willing participants and they planned on avoiding an investigation by saying simply ” we dont want one”…..Were they retarded or were they genius? Can’t have it both ways….
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
no, not just the facts, thats actually a blatant lie. and stop witht he “Bush did it” line, Bush is a fucking idiot who was likely left out of the loop for plausible deniability. now re-read the questions ive asked you and try to answer them. know that your failure to do so only exposes you for what you are. try again, you can do it.
real life Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
to reconmarine
it is written that Bush barely maintained a C average while in High School no one understood why and how he made it into Yale and became part of the secrect society
but when thought about leave it to the Big Bush. Those Bushes sure do stick together don’t they. The brother went as far to garantee his brother the Florida vote way before the elections ever took place so there is no surprises to me when dealing with any of the Bush family. They are all A Danger To Society!!!!!!!!!! However you don’t plan for something you don’t expect that you will have to do. If you don’t think that you have a test do you study for one anyway NO!!!!! That never thought that they would be questioned about what really happened that day that is why they had No answers and Bush can’t talk WITHOUT Que Cardsanyway so that truly is niether here nor there. He was suppose to be hundreds and hundreds of miles away so he never expected to be questioned. If you looked at the news when they told him what happened while he sat there reading to a classroom full of children he does NOT move for about a good two (2) minutes and they felt his response was delayed so much to the fact that they actually on live television (uncensored) tell him a second (2) time.
But I shall not waste anymore time with trying to get you to see something that you jsut don’t want to see or either you see it and just choose not to believe it because it is to horrifying I understand but we are all grown and now it is time to face the NAKED truth about YOUR government they will do anything in the name of greed. More money More power More greed Read the HD and get back at me
John Rock Sold Humanity to Highest Bidder Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
HAHAHAHA – I worked in the same building as Star. The reporters would flock around my car when I left at night. I got a brunette wig, and a blanket – put it in my back seat and really freaked em out. They chased me over the potomac into Virginia. Great point you make though. That was insane.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:32 am
the “confession” video has indeed not been authenticated. if you have information proving it was please provide it now. and not a CIA press release, i want actual evidence that its real. you blindly trust intelligence sources and i dont. show me some proof. you always ask for proof right? show me some proof that the Osama “confession” tape is real. i’ll be waiting……..
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
again, there are multiple videos. The idiots on loose change use pics of bin laden from the SAME VIDEO to compare his noses.
Have you seen the martyr videos with the high jackers reading their wills? There the same guys from the surveillance videos and from teh FBI pics… The CIA isnt the only one with audi authentication capabilities… But it doesnt matter, no matter what proof I show you, you will say the source is wrong or lying….Such a cop out..
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:14 am
do you know where those videos came from? did you know some of them appear to be spliced together and dont actually show Bin LAden in the same room as the hijackers etc.? or just take it all on faith? not a cop-out, i just dont have blind trust like you. you want to believe the “scary islamic jihadists that want to convert us!” did it so you believe any and everything you are told about the attacks that fits your views. you trust IntelCenter right? i trust you know who they are since you do so much “research”(even though you dont know who authored the paper and clearly didnt read it.).
reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Spliced together? As i said before, NONE of the videos have been disputed by the diverse groups who have authenticated them. On the other hand, audio tapes have been proved not to be Bin Laden when they said it was.
The US gov took the martyr video off the net. Why would they do that if they made it all up to implicate UBL/Al Qaeda?
Heres just one of the many sources…
http://images.google.com/imgre.....SaMtqBndUF
I dont beleive the muslims want to convert us because somebody told me, I think that because Ive had the displeasure of being face to face with the cocksuckers.
Over 1/3 of the world is Muslim and the majority of them are really good people and despise what the terrorists are doing in the name of Jihad.
Those bad ones do want to convert you or kill you. They want sharia law in every country. this isnt a joke, it’s real.
you can pretend it doesnt exist but it does, and they dont care about your wacky theories.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
IntelCenter. you trust them? know what it is? you know of them why cant you answer any of the questions ive asked? why do you continue to duck my questions? this is so telling. why would they take it off of the net? because people like me and millions of others see it for the bullshit that it is I would suspect. makes perfect sense. now try and actually answer what ive asked this time, it really isnt that hard. reading comprehension buddy.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 5:31 am
come on reconmarine, show us you can answer a few basic questions. im waiting. so is Norman below. show s you’re not a coward and actually answer our questions. ive asked you a few like 10 times by now and you keep ducking. read carefully, pick out the specific questions you were asked by me(and Norman and others) and ACTUALLY ANSWER THEM! no ad homs, no childish unfunny jokes, just show us you can answer the questions.
Beck=hack Reply:
April 17th, 2009 at 5:22 am
cant say im surprised you failed to respond to me and the guy below reconmarine, this is your MO after all.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Relax, tough guy, I said “if he’s paid…”.
As for the debate, Alex has both our emails, he could set it up. Any time.
Reconmarine Reply:
April 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I can set it up on another radio program, then we can link the archive here…
You wana do this or what?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Mr. Reconmarine, if you check these posts again today (which probably you are done doing), however on the chance you do. I think I have asked for a link 3 or 4 times. Awhile back you claimed Larry Silverstein lost money on his WTC deal (buying the rights for about $100 million and getting $7 billion because of insurance). You said, research it for yourself, look it up. I have done as you requested and have not found a page supporting you conclusion.
I googled “Did Larry Silverstein lose money in the 9/11 attack” and the only articles I could come up with stated he made money.
For credibility sake on the part of your many arguments, can you provide the links proving he lost money???
April 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Note, Reconmarine, if you do not check on this board anymore, I will ask this question next time I see a post from you. Thanks!
Beck=hack Reply:
April 16th, 2009 at 5:32 am
yeah, i think im going to save this whole thread since he appears to be ducking it now. i’ll just post the link in the next thread he shows up on.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
let’s see, the supreme court ‘decides’ who is president in 2000 stopping a recount, then 9 months later 911 happens with the WTC and pentagram ‘attacked’ which symbolize nothing good about america, our manufacturing is outsourced massively to slave wage countries, and we go from a balance budget and a financial surplus to bankruptcy in 8 years. And amazingly a gigantic world financial center is built in Shanghai, China:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....ial_Center
connect the dots and the future is bleak for the US. It looks to me like the money power behind the federal reserve decided to move to china and leave the US in the dust.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
You know I have been on this sit for two (2) days and all that I have read you say is alot of nothing. You do alot of name calling is that to take attention of the fact that you don’t say anything worth writing. from the fourteenth and today (14 and the 16) all you do is call people names why is that? Is it because you don’t have any real facts to discuss so you waste your time acting childish. Elementary children do that sort of thing. You know what I teach my children about someone that calls her out of her name or picks on her. That is a person with self-esteem issues. Is that it do you have a problem with low self esteem if so you need to look into dealing with thqt elsewhere not here. Maybe on a couch or a chair with someone who gets paid to listen.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Well, reconmarine, they surely were some stupidly harsh comments against you (I regret it), no wonder you have trouble staying calm and objective (no offense).
I’ll just insist on the importance of this study : http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
This is facts, just facts, undoubtedly scientific facts. Personnally, I never definitively stated on one or the other theory concerning the WTC collapse, until I read it… about yesterday (I’ve been reading all kind of informations on these evenements for five years).
The conclusion of all the experimentations on the WTC dust left me no doubt : natural collapses CANNOT produce that. Terrorist attacks CANNOT produce that. Simply no way : those are nano-explosives leftovers… NO doubt. The implications of these findings are heavy. I would have given a lot for this study and its researchers to be less credible. But it is. Way to much for me to stay irresolute.
April 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Delusions of Grandeur, indeed!!! Hey, look at me, I’m special, I’m powerful, I’m tough, I’m smarter than everyone else, blahblahblah. Oh yea, did I tell you that I have “Top Secret” clearance and take orders directly from Israel…. um, I mean the President
~
If true, then you are the LAST person on Earth that anyone should believe. You would be a peon grunt at the bottom of the totem pole. An ass-kissing troll just awaiting orders. Dis-information tool of his Zionist masters. You are a little bitch!!!
John Rock Sold Humanity to Highest Bidder Reply:
April 18th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
This is getting good. Truman warned us about the Military industrial complex taking control. Since I have yet to see any aliens or UFOs – that is who I think is a big part of these shenanigans. Yep this is a prison planet. Now who the hell is on the other side of the bars???
April 18th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
We are witnessing end of days unless more “we the people” don’t start waking up, asking questions and doing something about it. I really wonder “who” is behind all of this. I go into a massive federal building to a great job, and I drive right past the Washington Monument down Independence and around the back of the Capital every morning. The back drop of the Chemtrails is really something against the monuments.
Could 9-11 be an inside job? The story we got definitely has holes. Just how bad was it though? The truth is out there. I hope it doesn’t implicate our most trusted elected leaders. I suggest everyone watch the video of when the President first was given the news about 9-11. That never sat well with me. Keep asking the questions EVERYONE.
April 18th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Ken if that is your real name, you are truly a brave American.
Reconmarine, I really hope you aren’t on the enemies payroll. I want to encourage you to calm down, and keep asking questions and looking. The world is an insane place these days, and those of us that are the “good guys” need to stick together.
It takes real courage for people to look at what is being discussed on these sites, and that understandably brings out strong reactions. I KNOW Chemtrails are real, and we are being exposed to Advanced Nano-microbic materials. There are even insurance codes now for it. Google niosh and osha nanotoxicology – hell even the NIH is conducting studies on Nano-toxicities.
So 9-11 a lie? I think you should keep reading – please don’t go back asleep.
April 20th, 2009 at 8:44 am
ya have fun trying to debunk a peer reviewed scientific journal recon all you can say is they are connected to 9/11 truth which is a complete cop out since the journal is PEER REVIEWED
April 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
hey recon,
I can understand your need to keep convincing yourself all is good and great about our government. Get away from architect and engineer articles and ask why the firefighters were told by their superiors that if they gave public interviews about the bombs then they would lose their pensions. Another question, why, when an intelligence officer interrupted his own vacation to go to see GW at his Texas ranch in August, 2001 to tell him of certain terrorist attack involving high jacked commercial airliners, Bush told him, “ok, you have covered your ass now.” 3rd question, why all of the coinciding terrorist training drills taking place on the morning of 9/11 which entailed highjacking commercial aircraft and ramming them into buildings?
The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) “provides our nation its eyes and ears in space.” It operates a system of reconnaissance satellites to provide real-time monitoring of objects in the skies. On the morning of 9/11/01 the NRO headquarters in Chantilly, VA, were evacuated as part of a “plane into building” drill. The scenario involved a small corporate jet crashing into one of the campus’ four towers, thus making this mediating control dead.
As well, a large-scale military training exercise called “Global Guardian” was in full swing. “Global Guardian” is an annual exercise involving Stratcom (the US Strategic Command), the US Space Command, and NORAD, in which a threat to North American airspace is simulated. Stratcom directed the exercise, which included all the US strategic forces, from Offutt Air Force Base, Nebraska, where President Bush landed Air Force One late in the afternoon of 9/11.
“Northern Vigilance” had pulled a significant number of North American fighter aircraft into Canada and Western Alaska and Northern Alaska in a ‘mock Cold War hijack’ exercise. Another drill, “Vigilant Guardian” was a hijack exercise, involving the insertion of false radar blips onto radar screens in the Northeast Air Defense Sector command post.
In addition, General Richard Myers tells of “Vigilant Warrior”, which was a live-fly hijack drill being conducted on the morning of 911. With only eight remaining fighter aircraft in the Northeast sector, and they had to be dispatched in pairs, they were dealing with a confirmed 22 blips on the radar screen indicating possible hijacks and they couldn’t separate the war game exercises from the actual hijacks.
There is evidence that the date of the 2001 “Global Guardian” exercise was changed to correspond with the the terrorist attack. NBC News military analyst William Arkin, in his book”Code Names”, gives the date of the exercise as October 22-31, 2001. Also, a military newspaper, the Space Observer, reported in an article dated 3/23/01 that the exercise was scheduled for October of that year.
Yes, there is an unusual amount of crazy information out there, it is intended to mislead and confuse and keep us arguing indefinitely. But the average psyche knows intuitively something is very amiss. You can spend the rest of your life trying to convince yourself you are right and the entire truth movement, flawed as it is, is nuts. But it does seem you are in a fading minority. Most military personnel I know have turned the corner toward disbelief.
Quote of Hermann Goerig, Hitlers Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII:
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”
April 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
“Ignoring a mountain of evidence and facts and focusing on a small impossible aspect of a bigger picture is not truth seeking…”
Okay, so where is this “mountain” of evidence that you’ve been perusing? If it has a title that includes the words “911 Commission Report” you probably have the wrong thing unless the word “Debunked” in it as well.
And if you have had the temerity to read that tome, you shouldn’t be daunted by the “mountain” of evidence found here, http://911research.wtc7.net/
But you’d probably be better informed…
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
The government is corrupt
Here are some of my points-
The British before America was created had “colony’s” which were really military base’s back then so they pretty much owned a global empire at that time. But then there was a flaw in the system and the Governments started getting organized and took back there land. Now America wants to do this process again working with the British government why do you think we have such a close relation ship with the enemies of are past would you ever make peace with the government that wanted to control you like a dictator? Benedict Arnold was a military general who talked the British to coming back and attacking America in the “War of 1812″ he was hired to do this by High ranking Government officials which is not in the autobiography’s but in his private journal only published on one website but the the journal was removed and only a few still have the article printed but it is close to impossible to find them sorry. The events that are happening now have happen’d in Germany before the the Nazi take over and even some of the events that are happening now are exactly the same that have happen’d in Germany look up this information it is all true if you actually all true history repeats it’s self so it’s time for people to stop that and learn the truth! i am only a 14 year old guy but i’m president and get great grades in my junior high and i still have time to l,earn this stuff and learn the truth knowledge is power we must use are knowledge to stop things like whats going on now!
“The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything”
,Albert Einstein
“The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.”
,Albert Einstein
Anyone who doesn’t take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either.
,Albert Einstein
“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.”
, Albert Einstein