9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public

Voltaire Net
Tuesday, June 23, 2009

As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month filming 29 tapes: “What I saw at certain moments and in certain places … is very disturbing!” He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote « El Perseguido » (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events. Below is an exclusive interview by Voltairenet.

Introduction

Kurt Sonnenfeld graduated from the University of Colorado (USA) with studies in International Affairs and Economics, as well as in Literature and Philosophy. He worked for the United States government as official videographer and served as Director of Broadcast Operations for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)’s National Emergency Response Team. Additionally, Kurt Sonnenfeld was contracted by several other governmental agencies and programs for classified and “sensitive” operations at military and scientific installations throughout the United States.

On September 11, 2001, the area known as “Ground Zero” was sealed from the public eye. Sonnenfeld, however, was given unrestricted access enabling him to document for the investigation (that never took place) and provide some “sanitized” pool video to virtually every news network in the world. The tapes that reveal some of the anomalies which he discovered at Ground Zero are still in his possession.

Accused of a crime that did not occur in a manifest frame-up scenario, Kurt Sonnenfeld has been persecuted across continents. After several years of fear, injustice and isolation, he has decided to take a public stand against the Government’s official story and is prepared to submit his material to the close scrutiny of reliable experts.

Voltaire Network: Your autobiographical book titled “El Perseguido” (the persecuted) was recently published in Argentina where you live in exile since 2003. Tell us who is persecuting you.

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Although it is autobiographical, it is not my life story. Rather it is a history of the extraordinary events that have happened to me and my family at the hands of U.S. authorities over the course of more than seven years, spanning two hemispheres, after my tour of duty at Ground Zero and becoming an inconvenient witness.

Voltaire Network: You explained that your request for refugee status within the terms of the Geneva 1951 Convention is still being considered by the Argentinean Senate, while in 2005 you were granted political asylum, albeit, on a provisional basis. That probably makes you the first U.S. citizen in that situation! And no doubt the first U.S. Government official with direct exposure to the events surrounding September 11, 2001 who has “blown the whistle”. Is this what drove you into exile?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: A refugee is a person who has been forced to leave (or stay away from) his or her country for reasons of persecution. It’s undeniable that many people have been persecuted unfairly as a result of the quasi-fascist laws and policies brought about by the shock of September 11, 2001, and they deserve refugee status. But the fact is, requesting refugee status is a risky and dangerous step to take. America is the world’s only remaining “superpower”, and dissent has been effectively repressed. Any person who requests refugee status on political grounds is by nature making an extreme statement of dissent. And if your request is denied, what do you do? Once you make the request, there can be no going back.

Personally, I wasn’t forced to leave the United States, and I certainly did not “flee”. At the time I was still fairly oblivious to what was actually brewing against me. I hadn’t connected the dots yet; so that when I left in early 2003 I had every intention of returning. I came to Argentina for a short respite; to try to recuperate after all that had happened to me. I travelled here freely, with my own passport, using my own credit cards. But because of an incredible series of events, I have since been forced into exile, and I haven’t been back.

Voltaire Network: What type of events are you referring to?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: I’ve suffered false accusations for “crimes” that demonstrably did not happen, abusive imprisonment and torture as a result of those accusations, as well as outrageous calumnies against my reputation, death threats, kidnap attempts and several other violations of civil and human rights as denounced by numerous international accords. My return to the United States would not only be a continuation of those violations, but would be aggregated by the separation – perhaps permanent – from my wife and three-year old twin daughters, the only thing remaining that I have to live for. And then, after the impossibility of receiving a fair trial for a crime that did not happen, I could be subject to the death penalty.

Voltaire Network: In 2005, the U.S. Government lodged a request to have you extradited, which was turned down by a Federal Judge. Then, in 2007, the Argentinean Supreme Court – in a show of integrity and independence – turned down the U.S. appeal, but your Government persisted. Can you shed some light on the situation ?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: In 2008, the US government appealed again, this time with absolutely no legal foundation, to the Supreme Court, which will surely uphold the two already unassailable rulings made by the Federal Judge.

In one of those rulings, it was also noted that there were too many “sombras”, or shadows, surrounding my case. There were many, many obvious fabrications in the extradition order sent here by US authorities, and, thankfully, we were able prove that. The fact that there were so many fabrications has actually served to support my request for asylum. We were also able to show that we had been subject to a prolonged campaign of harassment and intimidation from US intelligence services. As a result, since my family has been assigned round-the-clock police protection. As one senator has noted about my case: “It is their behavior that belies their true motivations”.

Voltaire Network: They want you pretty badly for a “crime that did not happen”! How do you account for such doggedness? As a FEMA official, you must have been trusted by your government. At what point did the situation capsize?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: In hindsight, I realize now that the situation had capsized some time before I actually became aware that it had capsized. Initially, the false accusation against me was completely irrational, and I was totally destroyed by it. It is incredibly difficult to have suffered the loss of someone you love to suicide, but to then be accused of it is too much to bear. The case was dismissed based on a mountain of evidence that overwhelmingly absolved me (Nancy, my wife, had left behind a suicide note and a journal of suicidal writings ; she had a family history of suicide ; etc.). The prosecution was 100% sure of my innocence before requesting the dismissal of charge.

But the sustained incarceration even AFTER it was indicated that I was to be freed was what proved to me that something was happening under the surface. I was held in jail for FOUR MONTHS after my lawyers were informed that the case was to be dismissed and was finally released in June 2002. During that time, an amazing series of strange events began to occur. While still being held, I had a telephone conversation with FEMA officials in an effort to resolve the issue, but I realized that I was considered “compromised”. I was told it had been agreed that “the agency had to be protected”, especially in light of the upheaval that was threatening with the implementation of the “ Patriot Act” and the expected usurpation that would come with the new Department of Homeland Security. After all the dangers I had risked, all hardship and difficulties I had endured for them for almost 10 years, I felt betrayed. It left a void in my soul.

Because of their abandonment, I told them I didn’t have the tapes, that I gave them to “some bureaucrat” in New York, and that they would have to wait until I was released to retrieve any other documents in my possession. Soon after that conversation, my house was “seized”, the locks were changed, and men were observed by neighbors entering my house, though there is no record in the court of their entry, as would be required. When I was finally released, I discovered that my office had been ransacked, my computer was missing, and that my tape library in my basement had been dug through and several were missing. Men were constantly parked on the street near my house, my security system was “hacked” more than once, outdoor security lights were unscrewed, etc., to the point that I went to stay with some friends at their condo in the mountains, which was then ALSO broken into.

Anyone who looks for the truth recognizes that there has been an amazing series of irregularities in this case and that an appalling injustice is being carried out on me and my loved ones. This intense campaign to return me to American soil is a false pretext for other darker motives.

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Voltaire Network: You have suggested that you observed things at Ground Zero that did not tally with the official account. Did you do or say anything to arouse suspicion in this respect?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: In that same telephone call I said that I would “go public”, not only with my suspicions about the events surrounding September 11, 2001, but about several contracts I had worked on in the past.

Voltaire Network: What are your suspicions based on?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: There were many things, in hindsight, that were disturbing at Ground Zero. It was odd to me that I was dispatched to go to New York even before the second plane hit the South Tower, while the media was still reporting only that a “small plane” had collided with the North Tower — far too small of a catastrophe at that point to involve FEMA . FEMA was mobilized within minutes, whereas it took ten days for it to deploy to New Orleans to respond to Hurricane Katrina, even with abundant advance warning! It was odd to me that all cameras were so fiercely prohibited within the secured perimeter of Ground Zero, that the entire area was declared a crime scene and yet the “evidence” within that crime scene was so rapidly removed and destroyed. And then it was very odd to me when I learned that FEMA and several other federal agencies had already moved into position at their command center at Pier 92 on September 10th, one day before the attacks!

We are asked to believe that all four of the “indestructible” black boxes of the two jets that struck the twin towers were never found because they were completely vaporized, yet I have footage of the rubber wheels of the landing gear nearly undamaged, as well as the seats, parts of the fuselage and a jet turbine that were absolutely not vaporized. This being said, I do find it rather odd that such objects could have survived fairly intact the type of destruction that turned most of the Twin Towers into thin dust. And I definitely harbor some doubts about the authenticity of the “jet” turbine, far too small to have come from one of the Boeings!

What happened with Building 7 is incredibly suspicious. I have video that shows how curiously small the rubble pile was, and how the buildings to either side were untouched by Building Seven when it collapsed. It had not been hit by an airplane; it had suffered only minor injuries when the Twin Towers collapsed, and there were only small fires on a couple of floors. There’s no way that building could have imploded the way it did without controlled demolition. Yet the collapse of Building 7 was hardly mentioned by the mainstream media and suspiciously ignored by the 911 Commission.

Voltaire Network: Reportedly, the underground levels of WTC7 contained sensitive and undoubtedly compromising archival material. Did you come across any of it?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: The Secret Service, the Department of Defense, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Office of Emergency Management’s “Crisis Center” occupied huge amounts of space there, spanning several floors of the building. Other federal agencies had offices there as well. After September 11, it was discovered that concealed within Building Seven was the largest clandestine domestic station of the Central Intelligence Agency outside of Washington DC, a base of operations from which to spy on diplomats of the United Nations and to conduct counterterrorism and counterintelligence missions.

There was no underground parking level at Seven World Trade Center. And there was no underground vault. Instead, the federal agencies at Building Seven stored their vehicles, documents and evidence in the building of their associates across the street. Beneath the plaza level of US Customs House ( Building 6) was a large underground garage, separated off from the rest of the complex’s underground area and guarded under tight security. This was where the various government services parked their bomb-proofed cars and armored limousines, counterfeit taxi cabs and telephone company trucks used for undercover surveillance and covert operations, specialized vans and other vehicles. Also within that secured parking area was access to the sub-level vault of Building 6.

When the North Tower fell, the US Customs House ( Building 6) was crushed and totally incinerated. Much of the underground levels beneath it were also destroyed. But there were voids. And it was into one of those voids, recently uncovered, that I descended with a special Task Force to investigate. It was there we found the security antechamber to the vault, badly damaged. At the far end of the security office was the wide steel door to the vault, a combination code keypad in the cinderblock wall beside it. But the wall was cracked and partially crumbled, and the door was sprung partially open. So we checked inside with our flashlights. Except for several rows of empty shelves, there was nothing in the vault but dust and debris. It had been emptied. Why was it empty? And when could it have been emptied?

Voltaire Network: Is this what set alarm bells ringing for you?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Yes, but not immediately. With so much chaos, it was difficult to think. It was only after digesting everything that the “alarm bells” went off.

Building Six was evacuated within twelve minutes after the first airplane struck the North Tower. The streets were immediately clogged with fire trucks, police cars and blocked traffic, and the vault was large enough, 15 meters by 15 meters by my estimate, to necessitate at least a big truck to carry out its contents. And after the towers fell and destroyed most of the parking level, a mission to recover the contents of the vault would have been impossible. The vault had to have been emptied before the attack.

I’ve described all of this extensively in my book, and it’s apparent that things of importance were taken out of harm’s way before the attacks. For example, the CIA didn’t seem too concerned about their losses. After the existence of their clandestine office in Building Seven was discovered, an agency spokesman told the newspapers that a special team had been dispatched to scour the rubble in search of secret documents and intelligence reports, though there were millions, if not billions of pages floating in the streets. Nevertheless, the spokesman was confident. “There shouldn’t be too much paper around,” he said.

And Customs at first claimed that everything was destroyed. That the heat was so intense that everything in the evidence safe had been baked to ash. But some months later, they announced that they had broken up a huge Colombian narco-trafficking and money-laundering ring after miraculously recovering crucial evidence from the safe, including surveillance photos and heat-sensitive cassette tapes of monitored calls. And when they moved in to their new building at 1 Penn Plaza in Manhattan, they proudly hung on the lobby wall their Commissioner’s Citation Plaque and their big round US Customs Service ensign, also miraculously recovered, in pristine condition, from their crushed and cremated former office building at the World Trade Center.

Voltaire Network: You weren’t alone on the Ground Zero assignment. Did the others notice the same anomalies? Do you know whether they have they also been harassed?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Actually there were a few people on two different excursions that I know about. Some of us even discussed it afterwards. They know who they are and I hope that they will come forward, but I’m sure they have strong apprehensions as to what will happen to them if they do. I will leave it to them to decide, but there is strength in numbers.

Voltaire Network: With the publication of your book, you have become a “whistleblower” – yet another step on which there is no going back! There must be many people with inside knowledge about what really happened or did not happen on that fateful day. Yet, hardly any have stepped up to the plate and certainly no one who was directly involved in an official capacity. This is what makes your case so compelling. Judging from your ordeal, it is not difficult to imagine what is holding such people back.

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Actually, there are several other very smart and credible people blowing whistles, too. And they are being discredited and ignored. Some are being harassed and persecuted, as I am.

People are gripped by fear. Everybody knows that if you question US authority you will have problems in some way or another. At minimum you will be discredited and dehumanized. Most likely you’ll find yourself indicted for something completely unrelated, like tax evasion — or something even worse, as in my case. Look at what happened to Secret Service whistle-blower Abraham Bolden, for example, or to chess master Bobby Fischer after he showed his disdain for the US. There are countless other examples. In the past I asked friends and associates to speak out for me to counter all the lies being planted in the media, and all of them were terrified as to the ramifications to themselves and their families.

Voltaire Network: To what degree would your discoveries at Ground Zero expose the government’s involvement in those events? Are you familiar with the investigations that have been carried out by numerous scientists and qualified professionals which not only corroborate your own findings but, in some instances, far exceed them? Do you regard such people as “conspiracy nuts”?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: At the highest levels in Washington, DC, someone knew what was going to happen. They wanted a war so badly that they at least let it happen and most likely even helped it happen.

Sometimes it seems to me that the “nuts” are those who hold to what they’ve been told with an almost religious fervor despite all of the evidence to the contrary — the ones who won’t even consider that there was a conspiracy. There are so many anomalies to the “official” investigation that you can’t blame it on oversight or incompetence. I am familiar with the scientists and qualified professionals to whom you refer, and their findings are convincing, credible, and presented according to scientific protocol — in stark contrast to the findings of the “official” investigation. In addition, numerous intelligence agents and government officials have now come forward with their very informed opinions that the 911 Commission was a farce at best or a cover-up at worst. My experience at Ground Zero is but one more piece of the puzzle.

Voltaire Network: Those events are nearly 8 years behind us. Do you consider that uncovering the truth about 9/11 continues to be an important objective? Why?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: It is of absolute importance. And it will be equally as important in 10 years, or even 50 years if the truth still has not been exposed. It is an important objective because, at this point in history, many people are too credulous to whatever “authority” tells them and too willing to follow. People in a state of shock seek guidance. People who are afraid are manipulable. And being able to manipulate the masses results in unimaginable benefits to a lot of very rich and very powerful people. War is incredibly expensive, but the money has to go somewhere. War is very profitable for the very few. And somehow their sons always end up in Washington DC, making the decisions and writing the budgets, while the sons of the poor and the poorly-connected always end up on the enemy lines, taking their orders and fighting their battles. The enormous black-budget of the US Department of Defense represents an unlimited money machine for the military-industrial complex, figuring in the multi-trillions of dollars, and it will continue to be so until the masses wake up, recuperate their skepticism and demand accountability. Wars (and false pretexts for war) will not cease until the people realize the true motive of war and stop believing “official” explanations.

Voltaire Network: What is referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement, has been asking for a new, independent investigation into those events. Do you think that the Obama Administration holds out some hope in this respect?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: I really hope so, but I’m skeptical. Why would the leadership of any established government willingly undertake any action that would result in a serious compromise to their authority? They will prefer to maintain the status quo and leave the things the way they are. The conductor of the train has been changed, but has the train changed its course? I doubt it. The push has to come from the public, not only domestically, but internationally, like your group is doing.

Voltaire Network: A number of human rights and activist groups are supporting your plight, not least Peace Nobel Prize winner Adolfo Pérez Esquivel. How have the Argentinean people in general responded to your situation?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: With an incredible outpouring of support. The military dictatorship is still fresh in the collective memory of most of the people here, along with the knowledge that the dictatorship (along with the other South American dictatorships at the time) was backed by the CIA, directed at the time by George Bush Senior. They remember well the torture centers, the secret prisons, the thousands of people “disappeared” for their opinions, the living in daily fear. They know that the United States today will do the same thing if they consider it beneficial, that they will invade a country to achieve their political and economic interests and then manipulate the media with fabricated “causus belli” to justify their conquests.

My family and I are honored to have Adolfo Pérez Esquiveland his advisors at Servicio de Paz y Justicia (SERPAJ) among our dearest friends. We have worked together on many causes, including the rights of refugees, the rights of women, for children without families and children with HIV/AIDS. We are also honored to have the support of the Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo; Madres de Plaza de Mayo, Línea Fundadora; Centro de Estudios Legales y Sociales (CELS); Asamblea Permanente de Derechos Humanos (APDH); Familiares de Detenidos y Desaparecidos por Razones Políticas; Asociación de Mujeres, Migrantes y Refugiados Argentina (AMUMRA); Comisión de Derechos Humanos de la Honorable Cámara de Diputados de la Provincia de Buenos Aires; Secretaría de Derechos Humanos de la Nación; and the Programa Nacional Anti-Impunidad. On an international level, Amicus Curiae have been presented in our favor by REPRIEVE of Great Britain, along with the collaboration of NIZKOR of Spain and Belgium. In addition, my wife, Paula, and I have been received in the Congress by La Comisión de Derechos Humanos y Garantías de la Honorable Cámara de Diputados de La Nación.

Voltaire Network: As we said, deciding to write this book and to go public was a huge step. What pushed you to do it?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: To save my family. And to let the world know that things are not what they seem.

Voltaire Network: Last but not least: what will you do with your tapes?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: I am convinced that my tapes reveal many more anomalies than I am capable of recognizing given my limited qualifications. I will therefore cooperate in any way that I can with serious and reliable experts in a common endeavour to expose the truth.

Voltaire Network: Thank you very much !

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120 Responses to “9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public”

TomT Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
9/11 Truth EVENT in TEXAS – DallasNEWS
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KID HAS BALLS..AMERICAN BALLS Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Eventually the murderers will be brought to justice. Justice will come to pass and it will be by the courage of young patriots like this man.

I think the protected location of those tapes are the only thing that keeps him alive.
Smart move kid.

Mars Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Why doesn’t he post them on youtube? that way thousands of people will have copies of the vids

12.160 SOCIAL NETWORK Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 10:42 am
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12.160 SOCIAL NETWORK Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
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12.160 Social Network Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Make this go viral !!
The Truth Teller Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Where is Reconmarine ???
We need to hear what he thinks about this or maybe not ??
I hope this is the start of the collapse of the house of cards
I feel bad for this guy as we all know the people who have taken over our Gov are LIARS AND KILLERS
ZIONIST PIGS

My Springfeild XD Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Fuck Retardmarine – why should we give a shit about what that stupid hack thinks anyway?

Reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Im right here.

Did you read this guys replies?

This is right out of a 9/11 truth website. This isn’t shit from he observations, this is stuff he learned from YOU GUYS.

When you present your theories to people, and they haven’t read the truth or paid enough attention to it, then of course your theories are scary. The problem is, your theories have all been debunked.

Look at his comments about FEMA being in NYC on September 10th. If you read the truther sites, they make it sound like FEMA was there for 9/11, like they knew it was coming. This is clearly NOT the case but you guys, and this guy, continue to repeat as if it was.

Look at his comments about the engine size found at the Pentagon. Clearly he watched Loose Change, the first version, but failed to see the following versions. The reason they made new versions is because even those guys knew their claims were debunked.
Now, all Dylan Avery and Corey Rowe will claim is theories about WTC7 because the least is known about it. They have dropped almost all other theories and even though I totally disagree with their lies, I respect the fact they are willing to admit when their theories are proven wrong. Maybe some of you should take heed.

Yeager Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
‘Look at his comments about FEMA being in NYC on September 10th. If you read the truther sites, they make it sound like FEMA was there for 9/11, like they knew it was coming. This is clearly NOT the case’

Errrr this clearly is the case. This guy worked for FEMA. They were his employer. If FEMA were in New York on September 10 then he would know about it.

They made new versions of Loose Change o they could include new evidense and improve the production values. Which they did.

By the way reconmarine is this you debating on TruthBriage radio?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
No shit dumb fuck. Your right, they were there, but they wern’t there to respond to an attack, they were for training.

Texassaint Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Why was FEMA there a day early? You are willing to deny a point of view, without defining your own. It is fact that FEMA set up camp in NYC the day before 9/11. What is your point?

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
my point is they were there for a training excersise, not to respond to a massive terrorist attack.

This theory makes zero sense.

Freedom Lost Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
http://800poundgorilla.100webs.....p?page=911

KID HAS BALLS..AMERICAN BALLS Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Hey Retard Marine…you are a disgrace to the uniform. You dont have half the courage or patriotism this man has..0h l forgot, you work for the same people as the ones who blew the towers. Your job is to get the 911 Truthers all fired up and to make crazy emotional statements so you and your murdering crew can arrest them.
Aint workin today with this Marine, tell your boss he aint my boss, and think in the end hes fu__d cuz they will be brought to justice.

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
you were a marine? Let me guess, you washed dishes.

TheGreatGazoo Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Dude, If I can even call you that…….are a complete Moron. And soon, You’ll be on your knees lickin boots, apperently like you’ve done before……So, What now BootLicker? What else you got to say that we’ve not heard? Anymore intellectual sayings or comments you can pick up on the web? Who and what exactly are you reading ?? It seems to me, you’re the one plagerizing….can you come up with anything on your own? I’ve read alot of your retarded comments on here and i’m sick to death of em……I wish you’d just go kill a puppy or taze somebodies GrandMa so that whoever loved either would peel you outta your faggot ass frame! RECON THAT YOU POS! ………… Go Recon the Federal Boots!! Git to Lickin em Punk! Somebody get the Marine some Knee Caps….he’s wore out 3 pair Lickin Boots…..BWWWAHAHAHAHA!!! What a Tard…Gazoo OUT……………………..

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
notice how you have no debate to the comments I made and can only talk shit like a little girl……

A true internet commando.

Get away with it while you can, you know what would happen is we were face to face.

TheGreatGazoo Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Yep, You’d get Peeled, and sorry man……I don’t post much because I’m not tryin to be pissed off everyday of my life, but I read alot and it still pisses me off and you’re soooo abrasive when you post in here it really pisses me off! So, Take it like a man punk! and please put your nutz back in your pants, thats quite nasty here in public like that……..Just take it retardmarine…..you deserve it….I mean, come on….i’ts not like I potatoe gunned a gerbal in you or a shavened puppy or nothin….give it a rest………..You know nothing. The beginning of Knowledge is the FEAR of GOD!!! So, I guess we’re both dummies huh???? or wait….You don’t have a conscience anymore right? or ever did? You don’t know? Lordy, i’m at a loss…….You see, we all need to back up and take a look, because you KNOW something isn’t right…..BOTTOM LINE!~ No More debate…….Deny they’ve wiped their asses with our constitution??? That’s ENOUGH FOR ME! End Debate…….Get em OUT! BOTTOM LINE……Traitors, No Mystery……..Gazoo

TheGreatGazoo Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Oh P.S. I have no handlers, i’m still somewhat free…..I think you got the message wrong…YOUR handlers told YOU to suck it……..remember the boot thing? Well, I think you’re being promoted! BWWWWWAHAHAHAHHAAA!! OMG, That’s killin me!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

joe latour Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pm
recon marine is right about your comment you make no valid argument and all you do is insult him making all of us look like a bunch of stupid fucks. recon marine you need to start clearly communicating what the fuck your point is.

T. R. Eddy Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
“Engine at the Pentagon?” He stated quite clearly the engine he spoke of was at the WTC. One of the most damning things that came from 9/11 was the finding of the lead hi-jackers passport laying in the street in pristine condition. Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
the engine in question was from flight 77, at the PENTAGON

The passport is no big eal, just like the live worms found in the rubble of the chalenger disaster. A live worm experiment was brought to space. Worms survived the re-entry break a part at over 10,000 F…..

Was that an inside job too?

Chucky Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:08 am
the passport is no big deal?? Your comparison is telling of your intelligence. Paper cannot withstand high temperatures. Try it yourself, put a flame from a lighter on a piece of paper and it will burn. Do you have a fully functional brain or what reconmarine?

binky11 Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
you loser. FEMA was there on the tenth because they KNEW what was about to happen. You are a paid troll and I still can’t figure out why anyone thinks you’re what you say you are. What an asshole!

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am
blinky-
FEMA was there for a training excersise. But for a minute, lets suspend reality and say you are right. WHY THE FUCK would “they” send FEMA there a day early? Were they trying to get caught? Did they want to include hundreds more people to increase the chances of getting caught?

Do you realize how dumb you sound?
Do you have any applicable experience or are you just a kid who has read some truth sites and thinks your a terrorism/building collapse forensic expert?

Dont answer that, I already know.

As far as me being who or what i say i am. I could give a shit if your or anyone on here beleive me, Im not here to make friends. clearly.

But, if you want to hang out some time, Im in Eugene, Oregon and would love to meet some time…

migca Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:34 am
There are still photos, video, and even a local news report about what appeared to be a large part of a jet turbine that had crashed to the streets below the World Trade Center after the south Tower impact. This assembly appeared to be similar in size to the wreckage filmed in D.C., and may have been part of an auxiliary power generator installed in the tail of most modern airliners. These units run basic systems on aircraft, and are mostly used instead of the engines for air conditioning, lights etc.–to conserve fuel during long ground delays.

I’d guess this is what Sonnenfeld was talking about. Not his own video footage or the Pentagon images, but probably the same 2 or 3 minute local news segment that I saw. I do agree that so far, most of Sonnenfeld’s 9/11 claims that I’ve read are disturbingly generic. Nothing he couldn’t learn about in a few hours on the web. Now that he’s gone public with some strong charges, it’s time for him to get some professional help in putting his footage into documentary form, so people can judge for themselves. Otherwise, he risks being categorized as another crass, sorry-assed 9/11 opportunist looking to capitalize on this tragedy.
Person Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Thank you for your bravery. Please put the tapes on Youtube!

My Springfeild XD Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
youtube would just censor it or refuse it completely

TruthgoneWild Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
http://www.infowarstv.com

Upload every video you have!!
C.Verity Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I want Sonnenfeld’s book in English. Now.
Reconmarine Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
My handlers wanted me to tell everyone that you all can suck it. Hoorah!!!

RealDeal Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Please post your real name and address here so we can all get together and give you what you NEED!

TheGreatGazoo Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Yeah Post it RetardMarine…….I only say this because I KNOW you won’t……You dont’ have a hair on your ass is why…….Keep Plagerizing and reading for your opinion….go look for your opinion, cause anybody can see……..you really don’t have one of your own.
Funny thing is….nobody would do anything….he’s not worth it….I myself just laugh disgustedly at his crap he writes from somebody elses neo-con views…….Probably Glenn Beck and that other Traitor on fox …..what’s his name?? I can’t even remember he’s so unforgetable……0′Riley…..thats it……the Marine watches this crap they put out like it’s the truth……LMFAO!! OMG….How come some of us can see all this shit? and most can’t???? I have 1 question Marine…….. Is it that hard for you to understand that: The Rich People through the ages have placed themselves and family in the position of Total Take over of OUR World as WE KNOW IT? NOT FOR ME!! History tells us ALL……
Luciferians, Darwinists, WarMongers, DeathWishers and a HOST of other names and families and People HAVE taken over- the rich get richer and the poor get poorer(Bible)–….They KNOW how to deal with the public, the masses……IT”S ALL A FREAKIN LIE DUDE!! Read the Bible if you don’t believe….It tells the truth and I promise, if GOD opens your eyes, you’ll say…..What a Fool I”ve Been!!
I feel sorry for you man…………seriously

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
this isnt me

2nd,

anyone got anything to say about the subject or just talk shit over the internet?

Bitches.

Launie Lad, Tasmania Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Oh Sweetheart,
The gentleman was clearly referring to a jet turbine at the Twin Towers site.
“….two jets that struck the twin towers were never found because …… and a jet turbine that were absolutely not vaporized.”

You silly billy.

Reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 pm
“Vaporized”
Perfect example of straw man argument.

Nowhere in the official reports do they say jet engines were vaporized.

9/11 truth sites do, then you guys say it didn’t happen….

i love it, people who are so confident the official story is a lie but clearly dont even know what the official story is…………………..

priceless.

Why bother? Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Wow. You did it again-”nowhere in THE OFFICIAL REPORTS does it say….”. And your point is? The official report(s) is a sham, thats pretty much the main thrust of most 9/11 activists arguments. And you base your entire argument on it? Really? Seems you are married to the “official story” and will believe any government/corporate owned source that fits your preconceived notions.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
why bother- Since you are retarded, Ill explain further.

The idiot above said someone official said “the plane engines vaporized” and I was saying that is not true. YOU GUYS started that lie and then debunked it yourself…

Thats a text book straw man argument.

joe latour Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
once again need to make a point, both of you, launie was correct.

TheGreatGazoo Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Yeah, I’ll debate that the turbine vaporized in your ass!! whats up with that?

I got questions for ya……

#1. Did you get Promoted?
#2. Are you or your man Qualified and Licsensed to use that potatoe gun?
#3. How often do you talk shit where you’re not wanted?
#4. Does your man slap you around for no reason often?
#5. Are you wearing dress?
#6. What color is your purse?
#7. Do you wish you looked like GI Joe?
#8. is your fav. movie BrokeDown Mountain?
#9. Will you kill americans in the name of the USA or Obama or for our own safety? #10. How long will it take for you to wake up? ………………Bitch

I just said that for your bitches you threw out there….right on!

Reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
greatgazoo-

Is English your first language?

You sound like your 5yrs old.

Can you show me what page of the 9/11 report where it says an engine was vaporized?

Thanks,

Why bother? Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Reconmarine exposes himself as a dupe when he says-”can you show me in THE 9/11 REPORT where it says…”. Thats it folks, if the 9/11 Commission, or government stooges and in the case of Hamilton and Ben Veniste, 2 accomplished cover-up artists, dont mention something, it just isnt relevant to him. Says it all really.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
why bother0- one more explanation.

9/11 truther says part of the official report is wrong or a lie and I ask where in the report does it say that?
That doesn’t mean I support or only go by the report.

You are missing the point….

Freaky Frogman Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Recon Marine,

This is you and your former unit, in the sandbox, under fire, go get em, grrrrrrrrrrr!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvuJBc1p6w
My Springfeild XD Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Godspeed Kurt Sonnenfeld!!
Bushmaster Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Let him release the tapes on the net or shut up and go away. If he has what he says he has, he needs to show it now. For him to hold out means he is either lying or afraid. Most likely releasing the tapes would make him less of a target and if he cared, he would want this evidence out there for people to examine. I get the feeling this guy is lying to save his ass.
kim Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
talk about softball questions…
FFTDJ Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
“I definitely harbor some doubts about the authenticity of the “jet” turbine, far too small to have come from one of the Boeings!”

This guy is in all likelihood trolling for patsies. Virtually all the signs are there.

Yeager Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
‘This guy is in all likelihood trolling for patsies’

What do you mean?

FFTDJ Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
“What do you mean?”

For one thing, a proper analysis and comparison of the WTC2 molten spill videotapes (first showing the very-inside inside job), and tapes of the collapses (showing the complete demolition technique), makes all his stuff quite secondary. So, if he’s legit, maybe it’s cumulative.

reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
none of what your referring to proves shit.

ZERO Proof, just speculation from the unknowing kids of 9/11 truth

FFTDJ Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:30 am
“none of what your referring to proves shit”

Yes, Reconholemarine, your side, the side of the self-serving zio-stained retard, is the only one proving to be shit.
FFTDJ Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
If you go looking for his videos you could conceivably be trying to receive stolen property.

… and if you then download them …..

DUHHHHHH!
The Transmogrifer Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
You could have an audio video recording of the relevant people planning the 911 attack, putting it in writing and having a notary post it and the vast majority of USA Inc. wouldn’t believe it. What good would it do them if they did? Everything is under control, we are being incrementalized and enslaved and a small portion of the population will get wildly rich and powerful. It’s the Egyptian Matrix over and over again.

T. R. Eddy Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I have letter written to my local fishwrap in 1961. It concerns corruption in the County Tax Assessor’s office. Assessments were rigged for favored businesses. The fishwrap paper was one of those businesses. They lied, covered up, and smeared those trying to correct the problem. It eventually came out and the then Assessor “Arkancided” and a few lowly go-betweens got their wrists slapped. No one else was touched in any way. I tried telling all I knew what was going on and was told “The media would tell us if what you say is true.” I was called a liar and ridiculed for my statements. When it finally broke I received not one apology. “Boobus Americanus” is a total fool and is being led by “The Nose” about most everything.
Alex Jones make a movie on this CIA agent Confession Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
New World Order
(The “Secret Pact”, the “Secret Covenant”)
Unknown Author
See also the complementary articles, “The Holographic Prison and the Pact with the Devil” and the “New World Order, an Overview.”
An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves.
This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.
We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.
We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.
We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.
They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds.
We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.
The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.
We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.
We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.
Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help.
We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.
When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.
When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.
We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.
They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.
We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self.
We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it All.
Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say.
If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.
We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.
We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.
They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.
Our families will never mix with theirs.
Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.
We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.
We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.
We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.
We will make them rip each other’s hearts apart and kill their own children.
We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.
The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers.
They will be busy killing each other.
They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit.
We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.
We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.
We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished.
We will continue to make them live in fear and anger through images and sounds.
We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.
The tools will be provided by their labor.
We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.
We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.
This they must never know!
They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal.
Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.
We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them.
We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.

We will establish a monetary system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.
When they shall band together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.
We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favor.
When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.
They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.
The recruits will be called “initiates” and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms.
Members of these groups [Editor´s Note: the Illuminati] will think they are one with us never knowing the truth.
They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.
For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars.
They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment.
This they will never know.
The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late.
Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.
When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them.
This reality will be their prison.
They will live in self-delusion.
When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin. [N. of Ed.: the New World Order].
Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.
But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.
If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.
They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen.
Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.
This is the Secret Covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.
This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came.
This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist.
It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself. http://www.luisprada.com/Prote.....n_pact.htm

Sleazy P. Martini Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Thanks for the reminder
Scooch Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
duhhhh nothing, why don’t you think that through a little more thoroughly.
JJ Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Congressional Sponsorship for D. Kucinich GMO Safety and Labeling Bills **NEEDED**

SIGN HERE:
https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=25920

Or send a letter…

subject: H.R. 6635, H.R. 6636, H.R. 6637

- – -Under what is called the “Precautionary Principle”, many countries around the world have placed moratoriums on the sale of GMO products and some have banned these products. However, without any serious testing, the United States government has not only allowed GMO ingredients in our food supply, but the FDA has actually tried to forbid companies from truthfully advertising “GMO Free” products. As my Congressperson, I want you to take a lead in reversing this trend. The Precautionary Principle, in essence, hold agencies and countries to the standard that is something has not been shown to be safe, it cannot be used, grown, offered or sold.

Genetically Modified Organisms do not meet the Precautionary Principle because they are administratively, not scientifically, deemed to be equivalent to unmodified organisms while excellent science substantiates that they pose special high level dangers for consumers, farmers and the environment. Disturbingly, these dangers are not temporary since, once the novel DNA, the antibiotic resistant DNA and the promoter virus are introduced into the DNA of the consumer, or of other organisms in the environment, the consequences are totally unpredictable and have been shown to be highly dangerous. Once loosed, however, the novel DNA cannot be called back, like the genie in the bottle.

Congressman Dennis Kuchinch has introduced three important bills to comprehensively regulate GMO products since they are virtually unregulated now. These bills are:

• H.R. 6636, The Genetically Engineered Food Right To Know Act, which would require mandatory labeling of all foods that contain or are produced with GM material. No such labeling is permitted at this time in the US.

• H.R. 6635, The Genetically Engineered Safety Act, which would require that GE foods follow a food safety review process to prevent contamination of food supplies by pharmaceutical and industrial crops. This Act would also require that the FDA screen all GE foods to ensure they are safe for human consumption. No such safety review is permitted at this time in the US.

• H.R. 6637, The Genetically Engineered Technology Farmer Protection Act, places liability from the impacts of GM crops on the biotechnology companies that created the GMOs, and protects farmers from lawsuits by biotechnology companies. No such liability exists at this time for pharmaceutical plants and animals once approval is granted by the acting agencies for the organism and the same is true for non drug modifications as well.

These flaws in the regulatory structure are of great concern to me and I believe that they should be deep concerns of yours as well since more than 80% of all food consumed in the US today contains GMO food or ingredients. Lethal allergies, auto immune disease (including diabetes in children), birth defects and sterility rates are rising and can be, in large measure, laid squarely at the door of a dangerous food supply, including GMOs in most of what we eat.

I urge you to become a co-sponsor of these bills or to introduce sister legislation in the Senate in order to protect us from the currently unknown potential threats of GMO products. This is a very important matter to me and I am among the over 80% of the public that a recent NY Times / CBS poll indicated wants mandatory GMO labeling.

As a concerned citizen, I will be watching your active stance on these bills and look forward to sharing the news of your co-sponsorship and support for these measures with other constituents in your district.- – -
Scott Fox Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
A very brave man. We need a lot more people like him.
suzi Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
thanks for having a soul.
dave310 Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Recon, can you not even admit that there’s a chance that some people in the military and or government knew 9-11 was coming but let it happen? There were people in power who firmly believed we needed to be in the middle east if we were going to remain a global superpower. It’s written in the Project for the New American Century. They said they needed a new pearl harbor. If those people found out they were about to get their pearl harbor, do you really think they’d do everything they could to stop it?

Look at what some of these people have said in the years after 9-11. Rumsfeld and Cheney have said they almost wished we would get hit again because people were taking for granted all the terrorists plots that have been stopped…people were becoming complacent. Come on Recon. You don’t have to believe in controlled demolition or a missile hitting the pentagon, just admit some of these people were capable of letting 9-11 happen. (That’s the first step in waking up.)

Did it anger you at all that it took nearly 2 years to get a 9-11 commision? (Pearl Harbor had a commision formed days after that attack, same with the Kennedy assasination.) And you must have been annoyed that only a small fraction of the money that was spent investigating Clinton’s blow job was given to the 9-11 commission to investigate the biggest terrorist attack ever on American soil. Or that 75 percent of the victim’s family members questions were not answered. Does that seem right to you? Does it seem right to you that Fire Engineering magazine (along with many other professionals) were outraged that the steel from ground zero was being shipped off to China to be recycled before any investigation could be done. Yet it didn’t stop, the crime scene was destroyed quickly and efficiantly. Does it seem right to you that Bush and Cheney would only testify together, with no reporters present, no one recording the session, and no one even allowed to write down what they said? (There couldn’t be any pens or paper in the room while those guys were testifiying.) As an american, that has to make you mad. What about the fact that Rumsfeld, the man in charge of our nations defenses, was missing in action the morning of 9-11, then when he did show up he was outside roaming the pentagon grounds after the planet hit, while the attacks were still taking place! (If I was a security guard at walmart and I wasn’t at my post when the place got robbed, I’d be fired. Yet people like Rummy and Myers were all promoted after 9-11.)

You don’t have to believe the “conspiracy theories” to want people held accountable and a new independant investigation.

PS- this post is addressed to reconmarine, but it’s really for anyone who doesn’t know this stuff already.

Norman Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
dave310, best of luck trying to reach reconmarine (I guess his name is John Brown). He has a favorite pet word “debunk”. Uses it constantly and never responds to the counters. I have read the debunker articles and points and Mr. Brown is incapable of understanding how thought processes work. You make a point, someone counters, you do more research and make a new point to the counter. The process continues until no new points can be made, then a belief system takes place and sides form.

There is continuous new information coming out. Reconmarine did not read the above interview about how Kurt Sonnenfeld found the empty vault, how could the vault be empty without foreknowledge of the attack?

Reconmarine never answers any challenges to his belief. He attacks and ignores and then throws in his pet word “debunk” about a million times using the MSM ploy of “if you repeat something enough it becomes true or real”. Recon thinks by repeating “debunk” in every post it somehow makes it more true or real but ignoring the ongoing debates and arguments.

I have posted many counters to his irrational beliefs but he never will respond. I have repeatly asked him to provide proof that Larry Silverstein lost money in the 9/11 event (sources or anything). I can’t find any. He made the claim but will never provide proof because he made it up. He runs with the idea, make it up and repeat it and it becomes real. I think he is an agent and not so dumb but they monitor responses to his comments to learn how best to contain the Truth movement and minimize its potential spread.

Artyom Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
John Brown is an abolitionist from the American Civil War era. Then there was John Doe. You should be able to tell these names were pseudonyms used in the radio show he was in.
Also, he is the person you want to debate with because debating with someone who believes you isn’t a debate. If I was a new reader and I was reading here, I would just think most are childish and wouldn’t come away with anything from the name calling and character assassinations. Anyways, the government doesn’t pick on someone like that for nothing. If he is just a truther, they’d leave him alone and people will just mock him for having a differing view. However, they don’t.

Reconmarine Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Norman-

It’s not my job to do YOUR research.

Ill reply in great detail tomorow. Ill answer every question you have and if I dont know, ill say so.

Laryy Silverstiens money-
1) Look at how much he was awarded.
2) Look how much the damages cost to repair to the Verizon building ALONE
3) look at how much he had to borrow
4) Look at why they didnt build the freedom tower.

Go research it yourself.

Norman- If Im so dumb and ill informed, why dont you debate me on the radio and we can post the link here for others to listen to.

Email me at brownjj0@hotmail

questionforreconthemen Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Hey Recon u want a wake up call the show Jason or Alex. Tell them that u want debate it with them on. I bet they will take your call quick if you say i am reconmarine and i want discuss 911. What are you waiting for a debate with some random you have a chance of winning with.

P.S Real Marines have hair on there balls

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Norman-

Here’s a link you might have looked over…http://www.prisonplanet.com/larry-silverstein-asks-for-a-bailout.html

Brian Edwards Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
dave310, Debunking trolls are all the same. They all read from the same tired script and I really wonder why people waste their time with them. I’ve read the comments of quite a few of these paid shills and it’s clear that one of their prime directives is to never, ever, under any circumstances grant a point that runs afoul of the official fiction. You can post the most compelling argument imaginable and they will simply launch into one of their canned diatribes replete with insults and dripping with condescension. It’s really not worth the aggrivation to engage these tools. Even re-con knows he isn’t winning any converts on this site. Failing that, he seeks to disrupt the flow and get people talking about him instead of the issue at hand. Occasionally, he may even goad someone into saying something that he can rat them out for. Probably gets a bonus for that.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Dave- Im not gonna spend the time to debunk all of your claims, again, but your “Clinton blowjob”comment is funny, but not true and very misleading.
They spent more money INVESTIGATING 9/11, then they did in any other INVESTIGATION in US history. FACT. What you are referring to, dishonestly or ignorantly, is the 9/11 commission report, which was a public report of what the collective investigations found.

Just another good example of how you guys lie to make your points seem convincing.

dave310 Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Recon, really? That’s your response to my post, that it’s lies? Now I know that you’re a trouble maker who’s just here to suck up our time.

Check the records. The 9-11 commission was budgeted for 3 million dollars after almost two years of the administration not wanting any commission at all. Eventually they may have gotten up to 14 million (after many complaints from the commission members). Even the warren commision got 5.5 million back in the 1960’s. Calculating for inflation that would be like 30 million dollars today. And most commissions are formed days or weeks after the event. It’s not a lie to say Bush and company refused to form a commission until the heat from the family members got way too hot…almost 2 years after the event.

Please call into the alex jones show one of these day, he’d be happy to debate you.

PS – how many hours a day do you spend on these message boards?

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
dave310-
You clearly are intentionally saying commission when you are referring to the investigation.
The INVESTIGATION collectively was the largest in US history. The 9-11 commission was a report of those investigations and what they found.

You can keep make believing all you want but at some time, if you really care about the truth, you’ll have to admit your lying or completely incompetent on this subject.

It’s hard for me to beleive you are really that dense.
JesuitNWO Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
They would have assassinated this guy in a heart beat if he had anything damning. He probably has a lot of circumstantial footage that is open to interpretation. I mean, there were “explosions” whether from the plane or bombs, so it would be hard to tell what is what. It’s obvious to anyone with an IQ over 70 that the official story is bullshit. The particulars are hard to nail down though without a shadow of a doubt.

For instance: Did George Bush Jr. know about the attacks before hand? Of course? But how much involvement did he have? Questions like these unfortunately may never be answered at all, and at least not for decades to come. Look at all the major false flag attacks, and how the “truth” has been handled regarding them.

Most of them are released 40+ years after the fact, protecting political dynasties and government legitimacy. “That” happened decades ago, “things” were different back then, “it’s” not like that now people think. Or it was an “accident” with the handling of key intel, etc.

JesuitNWO Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Just a quick corollary. The invasion of Iraq was known to be fishy from the early “intimidation” phase of the war. Widespread groups knew that a war with Iraq made no sense. When the WMD red herring was unleashed in the media, several people and groups called bullshit. The information age is quickly sublimating the veil of secrecy of intent for events of this magnitude. Peoples’ ability to interface with each other is unraveling the advantage held by the elitists that propagate these wars and events.

Just a quick case study. Iran. We have already deposed a democratically elected, legitimate government there, with the installment of the Shah. So the precedent is there for U.S. infiltration and subversion of Iranian regimes (along with subversion around the globe). Why did it happen the first time? Why did we find it necessary to install the shah? Oil profits. The Islamic Revolution in ‘79 brought that to an end. That was almost 40 years ago.

We’ve had months now, if not years of aggressive talk aimed at Iran and it’s nuclear agenda. North Korea is launching nukes all over the place, and they aren’t even on the radar. So why Iran, and why again? Much like the shortfall of Desert Storm, it required a second go-around to “secure” the interests in the country. Get ready for a full out war with Iran come August or September, these are the big months to look to for global action.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
jesuitNWO-
An explosion in an office fire is loud, but nowhere near as loud as demolition charges.

The amount of demo needed to cut half a foot of steel would be audible for miles away, echoing off of the NYC buildings. That wasn’t the case on 9/11.

I dont know how much demo you have done, but in real life, demo is super loud.
TruthgoneWild Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 pm
He needs to get all his videos out to all the major truth networks, now!

Save them with good resolution and send them out via megaupload.com or any other large file sharing sites.

Do it, do it now! The clock is ticking!
george the trucker Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
the 9-11 attack did not have to be a government conspiracy for it to be exploited for military gain. officials were lax in stopping the attack, that is what happened as a mimimum. building 7 could have been taken down as a safety hazard, without it being a conspiracy. we will never know all the truth. the main thing is, we are being controlled, and or nation is being dismantled before our eyes. the issue at hand now is, our economy will never be at the level it was a few years ago. we are entering a depression era, that will last for decades, with wars coming to our own soil.

PD Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:14 pm
On many issues I am not “conspiracy” minded, chem trails, human made viruses, etc, the evidence is just not available, at least that I have seen, though I try to keep an open mind. Regarding 9/11 the evidence is overwhelming that we are being lied to. The evidence points to a government conpiracy which then points to traitorous elements within our government murdering 3000 of our fellow citizens. It is diffcult to get one’s mind around.

The greatest evils are often in plain sight just too awful to acknowledge. For example, what if they aren’t “preborn”, they aren’t “fetuses”, they aren’t “unborn” they are just babies in the womb of their mother. (I must say I suspect some people are now for reasons they can’t explain to themsleves either squirming uncomfortably or seething with blind hatred) A baby in the womb is, clearly though, the most scientifically valid and commonsensically accurate description. What then does this make us as a nation? There is a quote from Christ, when approached by lamenting followers as he is being led off to his crucifixion, that addresses our times:

” Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep rather for yourselves and for your children. For look, the days are surely coming when people will say, “Blessed are those who are barren, the wombs that have never borne children, the breasts that have never suckled!” Then they will begin to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”; to the hills, “Cover us!” For if this is what is done to green wood, what will be done when the wood is dry? ”

This is a conspiracy.

I went way afield here, all I really planned to ask you was, you say, “building 7 could have been taken down as a safety hazard, without it being a conspiracy”. Well, when did they rig the charges to demolish this 47 story sky scraper, before or after the first plane hit on 9/11?
Jiii Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Well well well.. it seems Prisonplanet hypocrisy continues. Just a while ago PP sensationally reported how the BBC showed Iran demonstration photos in which the protesters were government supporters, not opposition supporters. And of course, the PP claimed it was BBC trying to manipulate people and pamper the new world order.

But why isn’t the PP reporting how a Bolivian TV channel showed photos from the TV series Lost as photos from the Air France plane that recently crashed into the Atlantic. WHY? Is it because it ain’t Western media in question and you can’t really blame the Bolivian PAT for trying to manipulate people?? But if the BBC makes a human error then it’s a conspiracy. This site is reaching new lows day after day. Just sensationalist rumours and no facts.
Mr. AJ Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Well this is no surprise to me, that our Government would sink to this level. Again this is why it is soooo very important to stand up against those in Government that set their minds on evil things. Like 9/11 or OKC bombing, or the USS Maine.

However, a word to those in our Government that spy on this website that have decided to go along with this madness as well as those that planned all of this evil. We the People along with God Himself with defeat you. Therefore, remember this day, because when the day of defeat comes you will no long be laughing or smiling with your evil smile. Since the gates of hell will not succeed against us. Amen!
Charm Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm
The American public doesn’t want to know. We all know things don’t really add up. But the option of exposing government corruption would rock the boat too much. The same goes for the Kennedy assassination. Bringing it out would cause more damage than what has already been done. We put up with real or imagined injustices because we are comfortable and the thought of change or loss to our standard of living is too overwhelming. We just want to get on with our lives.

About the article

1. The guy never spoke about the Pentagon.
2. There was 1.5 hours to get a safe emptied out.
3. FEMA was training, the Air Force was training yet the government was completely limp that day? And we think these guys are smart and stealthy enough to lock up and control the population of the US? They can’t even put down desperately poor rag-tag insurgents. Come on, you give them too much credit.

PS I think reconmarine is perfect. That is the perfect guy to follow orders and get the job done. Who cares what he thinks? His job is to do and die.

Patience11 Reply:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pm
In the end though, being comfortable when the world is ablaze gets us all killed. We can’t sit and watch injustice after injustice happen until it comes to your door. What will you tell the 9/11 families when there is overwhelming evidence that 9/11 is not all it is cracked up to be. Even without all the fema stuff, just the stuff he said about building 7 and 6 is enough to raise red flags. Why did they evacuate building 6 in 12 minutes, while they were telling people to stay inside for towers 1 and 2. The two towers that took the most damage? They knew what was going to happen, yet they wanted casualties. That is why they didn’t tell the firefighters, that is why they didn’t tell people inside. For the grace of god, most people didn’t listen to authorities that day, and they evacuated anyway. And that is why there wasn’t greater than 3.000 casualties, like the government probably wanted.

We have to know that war has been declared on us (and no not from some so called islamofascist) and our only course is a full and unbridled response. If people in Iran can sit there and get shot for freedom, and risk life and limb, why can’t we?

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Charm-

The only questions regarding an engine size was about flight 77’s .
(flight 77 hit the Pentagon) Initially claimed in a French fags book then repeated in Loose Change 1st edition, then removed because it was debunked. Just like the rest of your theories.

When the Air Force trains, especially in AMERICA, they don’t do so equipped with air to air missiles on board. Did you expect the jets to scare the highjakcers?

Your logic is not.
DanNoNWO Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
People, understand that reconman been juice up with a lot of injections that uncle sam give him that will not allow him to think straight. Hell, he will kill his own family if they tell him !!!

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:45 am
If this guy is with FEMA doesn’t that mean he was involved in 9/11?

Why bother? Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Actually no, in your world everything is black and white and oh so simple, but here in reality theres something called “compartmentalization”. Google it.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Are you really telling me to goggle compartmentalization?

My world is black and white? Not quite, in my world, the real world, I see in facts and reality.
The US gov could never keep something of this magnitude secret. The American people, along with the countries who have lost trillions in the wake of the wars we waged in the name of 9/11, would come out screaming, bringing our leaders to their knees. You really think Russia and China would stand bye quietly and watch us rise to the world leading super power at a time, 2001, when they are climbing the ladder putting up a good competition for the spot?
If you think thousands of Americans, and yes, that’s what it would have taken, over a period of 30 years could keep something of this size secret, then you know nothing about the US history of keeping secrets…

You do realize we can’t even dump a bucket of water on a terrorists head on a small military secured island in Cuba…….
breathe77 Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm
digitize the video and keep posting it everywhere on the internet.
Dorky Pork Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm
How do we know this information is authentic though. I’m open to stuff like this, but i gotta have official proof of his work with FEMA and his involvement on 9/11.
Pax the Brit Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
The underground bombings in London 7/7 .. how odd that the necessary emergency teams were actually training in the vicinity when it happened.

A narsty mooselem wid a sack of explosives on his hunch back inside the carriage .. the news item showed the scene of the explosion .. gee I think that man could have made a million because the explosive hole on the floor of the carriage sure looked like the explosive was strapped underneath the carriage .. not sure how he could have managed that.

Recon .. you do not sound like a marine because you most certainly are not an American Patriot .. more like you are a member of the Israeli Embassy .. the radiation from the suitcase nukes has been rotting the head of your pin.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
pax the brit- suit case nukes?

Because i dont ignore the facts about 9/11 I dont sound like a patriot?

If you think Muslims wouldn’t do what they have been doing for the last 30 years, then you dont know shit about the extremist elements of that religion.

Maybe you should google the muslims cutting a 9 yr olds clit off so she only has sex for her husbands pleasure or to get pregnant, or maybe a rape victim being stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage, or maybe a taliban commander justifying a gang rape because the women wasn’t wearing a full veil, or maybe watch a video of a 12 yr old boy sawing a man’s head off in Pakistan, or Korean aid workers who were in Afghanistan saving Muslims lives, get their heads chopped off from the back of their knecks…….Better yet, try to find a video of Muslim leaders condemning those actions.

Yeah, your right, they would never blow up a bus…………..
Norman Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Here is some logic for Reconmarine that he will not address. I copied and pasted this report. A large fire could burn on the lower levels of the WTC North Tower for a much longer period of time but not cause a collapse (this fire is at a location holding all the weight of the building). Also, Building 7. The “Debunkers” claim there were large fires on the side that was not visible. Fine, I will go with that. So why a symetrical collapse? If there were huge fires on the opposite side, why would not that cause the failure to collapse the building sideways?? Similar to causing a tree to fall in one direction by chopping out one side. Recon would have you believe a huge raging fire on the opposite side of Building 7 caused a symetrical collapse straight down. It would be like you chop one side of a tree and it falls straight down. Can the marine really be this dumb? No he cannot, that is why the people say he is a Government Troll probably are quite correct.

The 1975
World Trade Center Fire

The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.

This 110-story steel-framed office building suffered a fire on the 11th floor on February 13, 1975. The loss was estimated at over $2,000,000. The building is one of a pair of towers, 412 m in height. The fire started at approximately 11:45 P.M. in a furnished office on the 11th floor and spread through the corridors toward the main open office area.
A porter saw flames under the door and sounded the alarm. It was later that the smoke detector in the air-conditioning plenum on the 11th floor was activated. The delay was probably because the air-conditioning system was turned off at night. The building engineers placed the ventilation system in the purge mode, to blow fresh air into the core area and to draw air from all the offices on the 11th floor so as to prevent further smoke spread.

The fire department on arrival found a very intense fire. It was not immediately known that the fire was spreading vertically from floor to floor through openings in the floor slab. These 300-mm x 450-mm (12-in. x 18-in.) openings in the slab provided access for telephone cables. Subsidiary fires on the 9th to the 19th floors were discovered and readily extinguished. The only occupants of the building at the time of fire were cleaning and service personnel. They were evacuated without any fatalities. However, there were 125 firemen involved in fighting this fire and 28 sustained injuries from the intense heat and smoke. The cause of the fire is unknown.

Also, from the New York Times (Saturday 15th February 1975):

Fire Commissioner John T. O’Hagan said yesterday that he would make a vigorous effort to have a sprinkler system installed in the World Trade Center towers as a consequence of the fire that burned for three hours in one of them early yesterday morning.
The towers, each 110 stories tall and the highest structures in the city, are owned and operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is not subject to local safety codes.
As Commissioner O’Hagan stood in the sooty puddles of the North Tower’s 11th floor hallway, he told reporters that the fire would not have spread as far as it did if sprinklers had been installed there.

The fire spread throughout about half of the offices of the floor and ignited the insulation of telephone cables in a cable shaft that runs vertically between floors. Commissioner O’Hagan said that the absence of fire-stopper material in gaps around the telephone cables had allowed the blaze to spread to other floors within the cable shaft. Inside the shaft, it spread down to the 9th floor and up to the 16th floor, but the blaze did not escape from the shaft out into room or hallways on the other floors………

Only the 11th floor office area was burned, but extensive water damage occurred on the 9th and 10th floors, and smoke damage extended as far as the 15th floor, the spokesman said.
Although there were no direct casualties, 28 of the 150 firemen called to the scene suffered minor injuries.

More from the New York Times (Saturday 14th February 1975):

“It was like fighting a blow torch” according to Captain Harold Kull of Engine Co. 6,……..
Flames could be seen pouring out of 11th floor windows on the east side of the building.

So, this was a very serious fire which spread over some 65 per cent of the eleventh floor (the core plus half the office area) in the very same building that supposedly “collapsed” on 9/11 due to a similar, or lesser, fire. This fire also spread to a number of other floors. And although it lasted over 3 hours, it caused no serious structural damage and trusses survived the fires without replacement and supported the building for many, many more years after the fires were put out.

It should be emphasized that the North Tower suffered no serious structural damage from this fire. In particular, no trusses needed to be replaced.

That the 1975 fire was more intense than the 9/11 fires is evident from the fact that it caused the 11th floor east side windows to break and flames could be seen pouring from these broken windows. This indicates a temperature greater than 700°C. In the 9/11 fires the windows were not broken by the heat (only by the aircraft impact) indicating a temperature below 700°C.

So now you know that the WTC towers were well designed and quite capable of surviving a serious fire. I repeat that this was a very hot fire that burnt through the open-plan office area of the eleventh floor and spread up and down the central core area for many floors. This was a serious fire.

Much was learned from the 1975 WTC fire. In particular, the fact that the fire had not been contained to a single floor but spread to many floors, caused much concern. The points of entry of the fire to other floors were identified and the floors of each building were modified to make sure that this would never happen again. For some strange reason, the modifications failed to perform on September 11, 2001 and again the fires spread from floor to floor.

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Norman- Are you forgetting that the towers, all 3 had major structural damage?
Did you forget that the top 11 floors of the Windsor tower in Spain collapsed from fire alone?
Only the top 11 floors because those floors steel wasn’t encased in concrete….Just like both WTC’s. For every example you gave, not that they are applicable to what happened on 9/11, there is another example that shows that what happened, in all cases, is possible.

The exact same WTC engineer that is quoted often about the buildings integrity, also said at one time, “If a fire breaks out above the 45th floor, those buildings are coming down” he also said he was surprised the towers didn’t come down sooner. Of course, you guys dont talk about that though…

Norman- I gave you my email address, why dont you email your questions, and Ill answer them. I can’t go back and search every forum looking for your questions and Im tired of you saying Im not answering your questions.
brownjj0@hotmail.com

Norman Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Reconmarine, I did try and send a rather long email to you on different ideas but your email address gave an error “Server not found”. The email is still in my Outbox waiting to send. If you have another email account I can try to forward it to that one.

Norman

I am not sure you will visit this page anymore so If I do not hear from you I will ask you on a later post when Alex Jones brings up another 9/11 article.
Dee Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Why do you even bother with these guys who believe their government does things for the greater good. Unfortunately, there have always been evil people in the world, and again unfortunately there always will be those that try and manipulate the truth for their own gains.

Distance yourself from these people and their system of control because no matter what, evil people will control the world, as people with morals mostly stay out of trying to control things. Rastafari.
un-banker Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
All I gotta say is…

A motherf***ing plane supposedly hit the pentagon.

This is THE MOST PROTECTED AND SECURE BUILDING ON EARTH!!!!

How is that even close to possible??

This is what we are to believe? The rest of the events that day are far out of the belief spectrum at best, yet plausible, if remote.

This was always the one that disturbed me the most…

Just a thought…

Mars Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:26 am
Yeah and why were the other planes allowed to fly off course 45 minuutes after the first tower got hit?

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
un-banker-

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.co.....ncesummary

136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a “commuter plane” but didn’t mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane’s flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it’s unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said “3-4 warnings.”

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.
chad Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
These tapes need to be copied and sent all over the world. Let the world see the truth!!!!!!!!!
MIAenforcer Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Someone – reconjarofvaselinebutthaed needs an inside job from behind with something off the belt of a prison guard when justice is served

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
uhhhhhhh, come on out of that huge closet your hiding in….
reconshandler Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Recon is that you where have you been last time i saw you you were under George w Bush reconing his turds. Time to go home to Belview got some nice electro shock for you. You stupid half bred redneck dog sucking turd sniffer.
albert Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Come on people on the usa, dont desist, and keep pushing the truth forward, because finally the truth will come out, and the rest of the world when they see all people in the streets beating the elite they will start to disbelive this fucking system.!
reconmarine Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Well i never! i can be reconmarine so can you just try it. Maybe there’s a whole unit of reconmarine’s posting on here.
ok this is just crazy! Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:37 am
Why do people continue to believe liars..
They lied about WMD
They lied about them hating you for your freedoms
They lied about OBL having anything to do with 9/11
They lied about flight 93
They lied when they said the economy is strong
They lied when they said the housing bubble would not crash
They lied about Matt Tillman not being killed by friendly fire because of his views on 9/11 and the war in IRAQ
They lied when they said no on imagined planes being used as weapons when they were having exercises with hijacked planes being flown into buildings before 9/11 and on 9/11

reconmarine they lied to you when they said they would not listen to your phone calls to your loved ones back home. they have every phone call recorded from every troop in IRAQ and afghanistan even though you are supposed to be fighting to protect your freedoms.

reconmarine they lied to you when they told you every man women and child in iraq is a possible threat and ordered you to shoot and kill anyone over they that looked suspicious.

reconmarine they lied to you when they said your hard work would not be given to private contractors while you just turn around shut your mouth and stand around scratching your ball sack.

reconmarine they lied to you when they said Iraq people would greet you with open arms.

reconmarine they lied to you when they said mission accomplished that no more heavy fight would be taken place.

reconmarine they lied to you and your family when they used your courage to fight their illegal war and make them filthy rich.

reconmarine you need to look in a mirror and wake up from this false reality that you have been lead to believe.

ok this is just crazy! Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:46 am
*Pat Tillman

reconmarine Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
ok this is just crazy-

You clearly are POLITICALLY motivated, which is clouding your views, along wiht massive ignorance.

Nobody ever told me to kill every Iraqi I saw or they were all a threat. NOBODY.
They did greet us with flowers and handshakes. Were you there? I dont remember seeing you.

Nobody ever told me contractors wouldn’t be doing work with us, in fact, we were told we would be working with them and given very strict rules for working with them.

Everything you know, you know from someone else, most of what I know, regarding this subject, I did myslef and saw first hand…

ok this is just crazy! Reply:
June 25th, 2009 at 5:00 am
why would I be politically motivated to have said what I said? Most of the combat troops in iraq were told if they see someone alone and suspicious that they had the go ahead and shoot and kill, they would write it off as killing extremist.. why do you think the media started showing women and children as being influenced to kill American troops because the troops were faced with tough decisions to shoot and kill children and women or LET THEM kill the troops. I know the order was given to shoot first if in doubt!!!

The ones who greeted you with flowers were PAID to do so they were either CIA or paid off, most of the celebration in IRAQ during 9/11 had nothing to do with 9/11 but were instead of weddings being calibrated.. and the calibrating after saddam was taken out and at the start of the war was a select few and made it look like a large group of people but really they were just paid to cheer and look happy.. the tricks have been found out I don’t know why are still living in this fake world they want you to live in..

and yes they said they would be doing work with you but they forgot to tell you they would TAKE over your work and all you would be left to do is protect them.. so that was turn your back scratch your nuts and go back and sleep in your tents while they went in first class living getting paid 10x more then what you got paid for doing the same job.. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROTECTING YOU NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!!!!!

So because I cant be everyplace at the same time I am not allowed to research talk to people and understand a situation?? sure some cases could have been different but the lies are still lies.. and its about time we realized those lies are being fed to the public as truth and that needs to be corrected!!

ok this is just crazy! Reply:
June 25th, 2009 at 5:08 am
*celebrating ‘Spell check sucks sometimes’
reconmarine Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Does anybody know whos on Hannity tonight? God I love Fox News. And Ann Coulter is sexy, I dont care if she has an adams apple, in fact I think her strong manly jaw makes her look hotter. God I wish my dad didnt molest me as a kid………..
fred Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Has Prison Planet called the US government to find out if this man is wanted for any crime here in the states? No! Has Alex Jones called the State Department to get their side of the story? No! Why are we giving Jones the benefit of the doubt. The first rule in journalism is to have at least two sources to a story and to get both sides of the story.
Remember the 16 year old kid that Prison Planet reported was arrested under the Patriot Act? Well Jones never bothered to check with the police to get their side of the story. The truth was that this kid was arrested on regular charges and was not held under the Patriot Act. He also had seen his lawyer, the judge and his mother. Jones reported the youth was held in secret under the Patriot Act. I’m saying that until Jones and his “reporters” start acting like real life reporters, we should not believe any thing they say. Right here are two stories that Prison Planet wants us to accept but we need the whole story.
global plantation serf Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 5:26 am
As for 9/11 I believe the testimony of Barry Jennings, Deputy Director of the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) New York City (NYC), and former boiler man, who I believe was well-qualified, and who was in WTC 7 during the explosions:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17186

Don’t believe anybody who wasn’t there, especially mindless debunkers who just parrot what the government says. There were red hot I-beams in the photos I saw. There is no way that could happen in an ordinary collapse. You will NEVER make me believe that!
reconmarine Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a “commuter plane” but didn’t mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane’s flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it’s unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said “3-4 warnings.”

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.

ok this is just crazy! Reply:
June 25th, 2009 at 5:13 am
136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

ok where are the 100+ cameras that showed this so called plane hitting the pentagon.. eye witnesses can be paid off. video and photo evidence cannot!!! PLUS why didn’t the anti aircraft missiles take down the plane when it was flying in restricted airspace.. THE MOST PROTECTED AIR space on the face of the planet.. your telling me a few towel heads with box cutters could out smart the greatest air defense system in the history of the world.. WOW – come on man. what fucking world are you living in????

rik thomas Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
1000 people were quoted as saying reconmarine is a troll.
Glasstone Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Fucking ACE website that Voltairenet.org thing.
Ann Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
In March, 1999, I was in a Photoshop class sitting next to a man at the next PC. I asked him where he worked and he said “The CIA.” I asked him if he was allowed to tell me what he did. He said that he did graphics and photography cleanup/enhancement work on transmitted photos. I said, “The photographs are of suspected enemies of the U.S. overseas?” He said, “Some. Others are in the U.S.” I continued to ask questions about who the pictures were of, and his last comment to me was, “Within two years, there will be a major act of terrorism on U.S. soil.” I was so shocked and appalled, that all I could say was, “I hope not.” His prediction was only off by six months. So NOBODY can tell me our government did not know we were going to be attacked, when a CIA employee told me they DID KNOW. One of my first comments after I heard about 9/11 was, “The man was right. Why didn’t our government stop this?” WHY?
;/ Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
im pretty disppointed , the guy didnt say shit , all regurgitation of wahts allreddy been said , no vid, no pic , no new info . the only thign intresting is maby hes in argentina . shure seems liek he would be safe becasue , hes really got nothign to say , and nothign new to birng to tht etable , its jsut another stringalong that suggests theres thigns people dont know , for this even and previous ones , but our hero doesent say shit about waht thay are

please book writer , atleast say one thign makeing yoru book worth buying , somethign other then the same old rehash of things we allreddy know . if there was somethign amazing or horryfying , please pelase do tell , in your interviews .
;/ Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
some one check that for grammer and spelling ^^^^
;/ Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
and if thease tapes have new stuff on them , and hes willing to help , why not make 100s of copys and send them to every 911 website ? would cost him nothing , and if thay exsist and have new informaiton on them or things that would be worth following , why not get them to the 1000 of websites , groups and people that are intrested . infact im shure that some groups would be happy to make copys , and pass out anythign worth watching , why not put the vids up all over on vid sites around the world , that costs nothing .

it seems that our man from fema , wants to sell a book , that im willing to bet will consist of everything thats allreddy been said by the people that did the leg work , and hes looking to cash in on it .