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Activist claims unmarked police vans abducted protesters
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Raw Story
Friday, September 5, 2008
A half-dozen representatives of the so-called Republican National Convention Welcoming Committee met with the media in a St. Paul, MN press conference on Thursday to condemn the widescale police raids and arrests that have targeted protesters in that city this week.
The strongest accusations were made by RNC Welcoming Committee co-founder William Gillis, who has been among those planning the protests for the last two years.
“Police kicked down doors with guns drawn on families with their children at dinnertime,” Gillis charged. “Reporters and the media at large have been repeatedly targeted for repression. Activists have been abducted off the street in unmarked vans and political prisoners held without access to medical attention.”
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The allegation about police use of unmarked vans was apparently first made on August 31 by RAW STORY contributor Lindsay Beyerstein, who was reporting on the convention for FireDogLake. She wrote that “ColdSnap is reporting 9 arrests downtown near the Excel center” and then added in an update, “One of the 9 protesters arrested was a nun, seen being loaded into an unmarked blue van. The 9 were apparently trying to climb a fence near a church.” All nine were released later that day.
Other representatives of the protesters used the press conference to affirm that they were not terrorists. Betsy Raash-Gilman, a twenty-year veteran (doc) of non-violent activism, stated, “There are no terrorists up here. There are no terrorists in the Ramsey County jail. There are terrorists in the Xcel Center. There are terrorists in the White House.”
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September 5th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
And this is a surprise to … ?
September 5th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
You know, I hope Alex Jones has a succession plan in the event he suddenly decides to “commit suicide.” I assume Bermas would step in and cover the mike, but I hope it is part of a plan that has everything covered on all business and movement levels. Succession beyond Bermas should be clearly addressed. Perhaps if Jones and Bermas both commit suicide, Jesse Ventura would be willing to step in and cover the broadcast.
Things are clearly escalating and the boldness of the cops and government thugs is at a level we’ve never before witnessed in our country. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I am horrified beyond compare, it’s getting worse than ever for sure now. Eyes and mouth wide open, exercise your free speech everywhere.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Cowards all of them, they are afraid of the truth getting out.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
You must be a coward to not stand up when you see something that resonates with you as wrong, those that do not may be denied the light/life-stream. Believe me you no want void.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
los desaparecidos,deathsquads, picasso put it this way.
http://www.artquotes.net/maste.....ca1937.htm
September 5th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
It’s never going to end. We need to realize what is controlling us and act individually for ourselves.
Stop following and falling for the hyped frenzy.
This is insane.
Stop reacting to their BS.
http://illuminatimatrix.wordpr.....ons-house/
There’s one page of an entire scenario of what is going on in this world. Read it with care.
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September 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Get your gear ready, it’s going to go hot b4 xmas.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Here is one good news.On Russia today,I read that the EU foreing minister is calling for an internal inquest into identifying who was responsible about starting the conflit in South Ossetia on august the 8th.The EU is also re-evaluating their foreign policy,especially towards Washington.They were not impress about dickless chaihim being send as an ambassador.Same in Azerbajan, the president and prime minister did not show up to greet dickless at the airport.
And that,should help our cause in exposing the criminals in the US government.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Since so many people want to know what to do, when is the gunfighting going to start, or just claim what they would do if such and such a situation ever happened to them or one of their own, maybe all those capable should find out where Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jessie Ventura, and many of the other patriots who Alex has interviewed are and follow them around all day long giving them body guard services.
Now, obviously the enemy will eventually start something that will start a shoot out, but the defense will obviously be a glorious one that will go down in history as the first shot of the real revolution, the day when the battle cry started from the masses, not just the few. The enemy of course has the high tech weapondry and the tanks and aircraft, but it will be an organized effort on the part of the ones who are serious and capable of doing something for the first time as the question constantly arises about everyone organizing somehow to do something useful for the cause of stopping this police state we are now in.
Ones like Alex, Dr. Paul, and Jessie Ventura are alone in a sense. They are lone wolves. They are loners. They are the ones who are presently out on the front line. So why not start an organized effort yourselves to be with those loners on the front line while you can? Go help those on the front line already, bodily help that is, not just writing here or buying some of their books. Physically they have no protection, even if they have private body guards. Those who are capable of doing what I just suggested now become publically involved and the front liners are the ones who need it most giving them the backing they need for their very lives that they do not have presently. I am sure that someone here can now expand on this to make it work. Yes?
Rhonda
September 5th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all … it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)
September 5th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Point well taken Rhonda. Good Job!!! Everyone should read this, as the majority of the American public have become like helpless cattle. Many have given their lives for your freedom, do not dishonor their supreme sacrifice.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I agree, good information and vital in this day of police state tactics by the authorities. Here in Arizona we have laws protecting those who defend themselves and others from prosecution and civil lawsuits. It’s nice to know that the courts still recognise the police as being a part of the population instead of something seperate and above. If that ever happens, then we really will have a police state.
September 6th, 2008 at 2:10 am
BAN SANE NOW! HE IS A TRAITOR! HE WORKS WITH THE ANTI-CHRIST!
EVERYONE NOWS YOUR CHANCE TO START ATTACKING SANE VERBALLY. HE IS A SATANIST BULLY, A TRAITOR.
IT’S TIME WE ALL TAKE BACK PRISONPLANET!
WHOS WITH ME? DON’T LET SANE OR WATSON (IF HES INVOLVED) STARCH TRUE FREEDOM
September 6th, 2008 at 2:11 am
2nd issue warning:
BAN SANE NOW! HE IS A TRAITOR! HE WORKS WITH THE ANTI-CHRIST!
EVERYONE NOWS YOUR CHANCE TO START ATTACKING SANE VERBALLY. HE IS A SATANIST BULLY, A TRAITOR.
IT’S TIME WE ALL TAKE BACK PRISONPLANET!
WHOS WITH ME? DON’T LET SANE OR WATSON (IF HES INVOLVED) STARCH TRUE FREEDOM
September 6th, 2008 at 2:13 am
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I ALSO HAVE A BIBLE, WANNA READ IT
September 6th, 2008 at 9:12 am
My advice to demonstrators: Have you noticed how they push the crowd back and thin them out to an area where they arrest the ones left being the mindset that those left are the hardcore demonstrators. Let me tell you a story about an incident back in my early years. I studied martial arts for about ten years. Early morning in San Francisco I was at the bus station alone waiting for the last bus to Berkeley where I resided at the time. There were 2 men who arrived as I was waiting, by their body language I could tell they were together and pretending to be apart. Not freezing are waiting for their attempt to rob me I slowly circled them keeping an eye on them with peripheral vision tightening the circle as I circled them. They left. My advice is to not let them push you into an area. Either circle them are confront them and stand your ground, don’t let them take control. Good luck..A particular song I like is, I won’t back down by Tom Petty. You can stand me at the gates of hell and I won’t back down, I will stand my ground, I know what’s right.