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Anthrax Suspect Was Involuntarily Committed to Psychiatric Hospital Shortly Before His Death
George Washington’s Blog
Sunday, Aug 3, 2008
Bruce E. Ivins, the anthrax researcher who supposedly committed suicide, and who the government is now trying to blame for the anthrax attacks, was involuntarily committed to 2 psychiatric hospitals shortly before his death.
Specifically, a month before his death, he was involuntarily committed to the Frederick Memorial Hospital and then transferred to Sheppard Pratt, another psychiatric facility.
Was Ivins crazy? Maybe.
Or maybe he was sent to a psych facility for the same reasons that the Soviet Union committed dissidents to psych hospitals. Maybe Ivins couldn’t stand it anymore, and was about to blow the whistle on the real anthrax killers, so they ginned up some claims that he was dangerous and had him hospitalized.
And maybe Ivins’ suicide was as real as his and hers.
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18 Responses to “Anthrax Suspect Was Involuntarily Committed to Psychiatric Hospital Shortly Before His Death”
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August 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 am
Did anyone see the peace order from Duley against Ivins? She misspelled (Fort) Detrick…..”Dietrich”…..isn’t that odd?? And is she a Psychiatrist, Therapist or Social Worker?
http://www.fredericknewspost.c.....ryID=78336
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 am
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us …search Jean Carol Duley.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I have a hard time believing that crazy homicidal maniacs get to work for over 36 years with anthrax in Ft Detrick and then manage to arouse some suspicion with the FBI only after they tried for seven years to get an innocent guy convicted.
Now the media is executing a smear job ofcourse, that’s logical. Based only on one source, mrs Duley (coincidentally someone who knows a thing or two about overdoses with ordinary household drugs) who already was cooperating with and thus under the influence of the FBI, mr. Ivins has transmuted from a grass-recycling, keyboard playing, Red Cross volunteering, somewhat eccentric microbiologist into a crossover between Ted Bundy, the Zodiac killer and the Unabomber.
Now if this should be true, then new trouble arises. Because if it really was a lone mad scientist behind this all then how come that “some high up official” within the US Government way before the anthrax attacks warned some/ certain people to carry Cipro with them?
That would have to be separated, but instead of denying them being related any inquiry into why the White House staff was put on Cipro over a week before the first anthrax attack has been met only with secrecy and vagueness: http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
The alleged psychiatric condition of Ivins proves nothing; the US government has a long history of using psychology and pharmacology to mess with people’s minds. Such as in the MK ULTRA cases of John Hinckley and David Chapman.
Possible scenario: the Feds kept Ivins and his colleagues in a constant state of ‘pins and needles’ stress for the past seven years, while milking each of them for possible incriminating information about themselves and their colleagues. Meanwhile the real perpetrator, Jewish Mossad/CIA operative Lt Col/Dr Phillip Zack, is ignored by the MSM and largely forgotton by the public.
Finally, in the leadup to Administration change in DC, the Feds choose their victim and put him through a psychological wringer, including two INVOLUNTARY psyche hospitalizations, ala the Soviet gulags, and send him to a (Fed-appointed?) psychiatrist who overlooks and ignores the professional, legal, and ethical taboos about revealing information about her client, by screaming about his alleged insanity from the rooftops and to the international press.
Bear in mind that as US Military employees working at a high-security installation, Ivins and his colleagues would have had US military health care insurance, and were probably restricted to using US military or military-approved health care providers. Such a restriction would be particularly enforced during a Federal murder investigation such as this one.
Tylenol with Codeine overdose often causes vomiting within an hour or two of ingestion, which protectively removes most of the drug from the person’s body.
Codeine overdose can make a person go into a stupor and sleep for 24 hours or longer, but they usually wake up without serious complications. The sedative effect of Codeine and other narcotics can be rapidly reversed by administering IV Narcan, which is available at any hospital ER.
Tylenol overdose is not normally immediately fatal, and usually the person recovers from their suicide attempt within a day or two. However, Tylenol overdose is highly toxic to the liver, and people who have overdosed with Tylenol often die an excruciatingly painful death from liver failure that takes several weeks to several months until they finally die.
It seems unlikely that a world-class biochemist such as Ivins would choose to attempt suicide with Tylenol with Codeine, which is notoriously one of the most unreliable and most tortuously painful methods.
Any inclination that Ivin’s colleagues might have to speak out about any of this may be stifled by any of several constraints: a Federal ‘gag order’ placed on all of the suspects and informants (except, of course, Ivin’s Psychiatrist), fear of reprisal by the Feds and being ’suicided’ like Ivens, and the fear that anyone you shared information with might be a hostile Federal agent or informant.
— Gregory Fegel
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
“Duley, a social worker, led counseling sessions attended by Ivins.”
“Duley had numerous meetings with the FBI in the past month, McFadden said, but he declined to provide specific information about those meetings.”
http://www.fredericknewspost.c.....ryID=78336
The counseling sessions took place at an inpatient psyche hospital where Ivins was being involuntarily held in the month before his death. Duley’s entire professional relationship with Ivins occured within a very brief period of time during the past month.
Duley has accused Ivins of admitting to the murders of several persons since 200.
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
axelmander has a point, i am stunned that someone with a psychiatric condition is permitted to work with weapons grade anthrax.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
*cough* gov. knocked him off *cough*
either he knew too much or the gov. framed him, or both
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Actually most of the people who work for the US military are ‘crazy homicidal maniacs’. How could they be anything else?
However, once in a great while, one of them develops a conscience, quits the US military, and goes to work instead for the good guys.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
BTW, ‘working to develop defenses against bioloical weapons’ is no different from working to develop offensive biological weapons, because everything that is learned to defend against a bioweapons attack is channeled right back into developing more potent bioweapons for offensive purposes.
Any nation (such as the USA, Russia, Britain, or Israel) which claims that it is doing bioweapons research for strictly defensive purposes is talking TOTAL bullshit.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
And this -childishly written with mispellings, etc.-is ,allegedly, Ms Duly’s notes!:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a.....hrax2.html
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
wow ellie_may, Jean Carol Duley has several DUI’s, a battery charge & a paraphernalia charge.. yeah she sounds trutworthy.. *rolls eyes*
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Just remember Dr David Kelly, who mysteriously died by slashing only ONE WRIST and who was found with no where near enough blood near him to have died of blood loss… Hmmm.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Philip M. Zack, Lt. Col. (retired), Ph.D., DVM is an American microbiologist. ‘Phil’ Zack worked at USAMRIID in Fort Detrick through December 1991, then at the US Army’s Walter Reed Institute, then for Eli Lilly, and then to a company in Colorado acquired by St. Louis’ Nexstar Financial Management.
The Hartford Courant newspaper ran a series of articles in December 2001 and January 2002 which discussed Dr. Zack as a “person of interest” in the 2001 anthrax attacks in the US, his relationship with Dr. Marian K. Rippy, and their harassment of Dr. Ayaad Assaad at USAMRIID in 1991. [1] After Zack had been fired from Fort Detrick, a surveillance camera recorded him being let in at 8:40 p.m. on Jan. 23, 1992, apparently by Dr. Marian Rippy.[2] Salon magazine ran a story by Laura Rozen on January 26, 2002, which reported that Zack was among those: “eager to continue working on projects USAMRIID said they should stop. What followed, the documents reveal, were scientists sneaking into the Army biowarfare lab to work on pet projects after-hours and on weekends, former workers like Zack, who left in 1991, still being let in to do lab work, pressure applied to technicians to help out, documents going missing, and deliberate mislabeling of specimens among other efforts to hide unsanctioned lab work.”[3]
According to the Zanesville Ohio Times Recorder, Dr. Zack was a member of the St. Nicholas Catholic Church when he lived in Ohio.[4] (Some websites mistakenly claim he is Jewish, citing his name as evidence.)
August 4th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Starman, stating that everyone else is wrong about Zack’s religion / race is disingenuous. Very few claim that he was Catholic. Mike Rivero, whom Alex talked to on Sunday, has written articles claiming that Zack is Jewish. Would you be willing to debate him on the subject?
August 4th, 2008 at 1:17 am
I need more proof connecting him to the hospitals. Release records from hospitals..dates, times.
What is the background of his psychiatrist? What was his relationship with Duly?
I need a timeline.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Acetaminophen (tylenol) is added to codeine because it has a significantly higher degree of toxicity. This prevents dose escalation. And yes, codeine is a fairly weak drug, hard to commit suicide with.
Ergo, Ivins died one of two ways.
1) Acetaminophen poisoning. This is due to liver failure. However, takes a while. First, your liver has to fail, a matter of days to weeks. Then you have to die from that. So we can reasonably rule it out.
2)Aspiration. Codeine makes you vomit. The vomitus goes down your windpipe and blocks it off. So you asphyxiate. Also, Codeine can obtund you and it also supresses the cough reflex.
August 4th, 2008 at 7:54 am
You threw me a curve. When you said “his or hers” suicides I thought the link was going to Vinnie Foster or Ms. Palfrey. One of the classics is James Forrestal, the first secretary of defemse in 1949. Jumping out of Bethesda Hospital window on 16th floor. Good reading. Like Mark Twain said “history doesn’t repeat itself but it does rhyme”
September 9th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
One question everone should be asking is,”Where is Eustace Mullins”?