Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon

Gun Owners Of America
Wednesday, November 4, 2009

We have reached the point in the battle over ObamaCare which will decide whether we win or lose.The details of Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s bill are in, and they can be seen at http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf .

The bill (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages long and weighs over 20 pounds. And even though a search of the bill will not reveal the word “gun” or “firearm,” that doesn’t mean the bill is neutral in regard to your Second Amendment rights.

For starters, this bill will — like all the ObamaCare versions before it — most likely result in all of your gun-related health data being dumped into a government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned… or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.

The bill will also create special “wellness” programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles — and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that “no guns” is somehow healthier.

The bill purports to cut Medicare by $500 billion — in a move which will result in massive rationing for seniors, while ultimately adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.

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The bill will mandate that you purchase expensive government-approved policies and will (according to some studies) triple your insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements.

Of course, this all means that you will have less money to spend on pursuing your real passions — like providing for your family and purchasing guns and ammunition!

ACTION: Write your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose this bill. Don’t be discouraged by reports in the liberal media which have tried to tell us — since January — that this battle is hopeless. We can win, and, with your help, we will win.

You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center to send the pre-written message below to your Representative.

—– Pre-written letter —–

Dear Representative:

The Pelosi health care bill, sponsored by Rep. Dingell, has now been made public.

For starters, this bill will — like all the ObamaCare versions before it — most likely result in all gun-related health data being dumped into the government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information that doctors have gleaned… or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude a person from owning firearms.

The bill will, according to some studies, triple insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements — while mandating that Americans purchase expensive government-approved policies.

But, perhaps most instructively, there is this: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid promised to produce a $900 billion bill which would not add “one dime” to the deficit.

This bill will cost $1.3 trillion and will increase the deficit by AT LEAST $150 billion.

The only way Pelosi or the Congressional Budget Office can continue to pretend to the contrary is to take $247 billion in bill costs and slip them through in separate legislation.

In short, this process is fraudulent.

I have many issues with this legislation. And so I urge you to oppose this legislation and keep the government from inserting itself even more into my everyday life.

Sincerely,

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43 Responses to “Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon”

Bray Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
Elvis Oswald Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I don’t see a problem with keeping guns away from people with PTSD. I believe that happens in most states anyways…
And most insurance compa

Steve McGarrett Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Why don’t they take them away from Post Office employees. Da gubsamunts gives 10 point Veteran preferance to loons from the military who couldn’t get a job in the first place (that’s why they joined) and could never get a job after they are discharged, becuase they are loony. Raving “gubsamunts Loons”. HPD would never hire a crazed, crackpot Vet. Butt “da gubsamunts” can’t seem to hire enough mentally challanged and mentally illl ex-military nutt cases.

XGI Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
I agree! why not take the personal firearms away from ALL Gubberment people, both Federal, and state, local level? You Sir have found the solution!

Leave the Military alone, they have paid the price for you to express your lack of intelligence on this blog.

Knneth DeWit Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
You are the MOST to be PITIED! People like you are the very ones, that when they come to kill you will be saying, “IF ONLY I WOULD HAVE LISTENED” Not LISTENING will get you “DEAD” I know, I am a Vietnam Vet with PTSD (CHRONIC), and do you have a CLUE as to how I got PTST? NO, you don’t and probably don’t give a shit either! But, you REALLY NEED TO EXPERIENCE IT!Just because I have PTSD does not mean that I will go on a “RAMPAGE” and kill every body!, while granted, there are many in the ILLUMINATA ot here that truely need a lift from some of us VETS! Yo dO have a right to disagree and that is exactly what I fought for, so you could say and do what you want “FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PTOTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW!
Elvis Oswald Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I don’t see a problem with keeping guns away from people with PTSD. I believe that happens in most states anyways…
And most insurance companies already offer discounts to business owners who implement wellness programs. So if the global corporations are going to do it anyway – what’s wrong with at least moving it into the hands of the government that is suppose to consist of our representatives?

But that debate is a moot point. Both sides are full of shit… so how about forgetting the health care war and beat the drum louder for an end to the Federal Reserve?

Guns N Rosaries Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I am almost to the point to where I would trust an average American with PTSD than an armed federal government employee or a federal legislator with an ink pen

Patriotgal Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I would MUCH rather be in a stuck elevator, with a patriotic Veteran, who suffers from PTSD, and had a gun, than an average cop. Period. I TRUST VETRANS!!!
LONG LIVE AMERICA!!!!
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!

Sic Semper Tyrannis!!!

Steve McGarrett Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I don’t trust veterans and won’t go to the Post Office either. I use stamps by mail. Alot of Veterans are your average cop suffering from all sorts of mental disorders. We don’t hire Vets at HPD or 5-0. We hire Samoans and little ass kissing pussies like Danno. Hell, We’d hire Barney Fife if Andy would fire ‘em.

Steve McGarrett Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Remember Barry Saddler? “Fighting soldiers, from the sky” What a military/gubsamunts crackpot. He finally met his fate in Central America over a piece of cheap ass. Good riddance. He was bad rubbish, and couldn’t sing for shit either.

Kenneth DeWit Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I am a 173rd Airborne Brigade Paratrooper ad was a Pointman in 10 man Hunter/Killer teams and what the FUK does Barry Sadler have to do with yor SAD ASS? You sick SOB

General Zan Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:07 am
Elvis Oswald, YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON… First off, PTSD was intentionally designed by the government to disarm ex-military, why do you ask? Because they are the few that can stand up and protect the American People from a despot Government and have been professionally trained and the government fears them for that reason, and now DHS is declaring any and all ex-military potential “Domestic Terrorist” because most of them happen to be republicans… Even now, the “Promise Keepers” are being lumped into the same category because they are making vows to keep their original vows to “UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”… What tells me you are a complete scumbag of an American is you are willing to disarm those that can be of the greatest service to the American people against a “DESPOT GOVERNMENT” run amok simply because of a “LABEL” and not based on an individual action, and all it takes is “Mandatory Psych testing prior to being discharged without provocation to render virtually all ex servicemen unable to bear arms… Personally, just by your demeanor, I can tell you are a fucking fagot wimp, and probably from Chicago, and are an obvious plant here on PP… You’d better change your moniker because I called your fucking liberal ass out, and all the other posters here will recognize you for the SCUMMMBBBAAAGGG you really are!!!… BTW, Just about a year ago they came up with a little piece of legislation that would make it extremely easy to disarm any ex-military by declaring them mentally misfit without provocation, and it passed, and the American people were pretty much in the dark about it, but I’ll bet you knew… Bite My Fucking Ass You Jerkwad COMMIE Mother Fucker, I can smell your king 10 miles away, and shot you from half that distance… FRY!!! !

General Zan Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:10 am
correction… Kind and shoot!

Patriotgal Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:34 am
General- well stated!! And WHAT do you have that ahs a 5 mile range?? My Bofors will shoot that far, but hit anything? I doubt it!! My 81mm Mortar might also, but requires a spotter, and given my LIMITED experience, I wouldn’t want that job!! LOL!!

Sic Semper Tyrannis!!!
pitofdoom Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Rahm Emanuel to Disarm America:”#1 Issue”, Gun Owners are Terrorists
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=2916
“If you are on the no fly list because you are “known as a possible” terrorist
you can not buy a hand gun in America.”
“Terrorist list Vs. NRA, America will make the right choice”
“Sensible gun laws”
hellferbreakfast Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Makes no difference what they pass. There may be many that ignore them & resist.
NG Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
This country was founded in freedom and secureity and one cannot be free, safe, healthy and securewise without Constutional Law!

It’s a simple black an white issue – GUNS KILL – THEY SHOULD BE BANNED!

If people wold just do as the Democrat officials say to do without arguing anymore over stupid guns then ALL of us would be FREE, SAFE, HEALTHY AND SECURE!

THAT is what makes America GREAT!

choad puncher Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
hey NG, so do dicks filled with HIV. as well as pussys and buttholes. maybe they should be banned too. its a slower harder death with the HIV.

Not the dumb... Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Yeah, more people die in car accidents and from alcohol than from guns so we should ban all of that too.

Fucking simpleton.

Steve McGarrett Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
This country was founded by religious nutts with guns, not by pussies!!! There was no freedom or security, just crazed, wild Injuns with no Cowboys to buffer them. People needed guns to control crazy Red Men and newly imported Kneegrows (feral Africans). Without guns and gun toting religious nutts this country would never have amounted to shit. Book ‘em Danno: Lying One!!!

ATHANOR Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
BAAAAAH! BAAAAH! BAAAH!

gordon Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
If guns kill people then pencils misspell words. You sir are a complete fucking idiot.

Drake Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:28 am
NG…what gun has killed someone? We can arrest that gun and send it to prison for the rest of that gun’s life…unless it was self defense. Man, these fuckin’ guns…when will they learn!

Guns kill people but knives don’t.

Guns kill people but cars don’t.

Guns kill people but tazers don’t.

Yeah, guns do it by themselves. They fuckin’ get out of their holsters and go on rampages! Get those fuckin’ guns!!

People can get rid of their guns as soon as cops get rid of theirs. Ever heard of Nazi Germany? Or any enslaved nation? They didn’t have guns to fight back. That may or may not happen here…but being prepared is always a good thing.

Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. Let’s ban people.
truther Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I have an urgent message for you, more important than any message you can hear. God is Holy and cannot accept sin(honor thy mother and father…, thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not steal, thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor, thou shall not covet..etc…Exodus 20:12-17). Here are some verses that show examples of sin:

“Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” Matthew 5:21-22

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Matthew 5:27-28

“It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.” Matthew 5:31-32

“For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23. Your good deeds cannot cover up your bad deeds.

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.” Isaiah 64:6

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Romans 3:10-12

You could be perfect in all the law and stumble at one point and it is as if you broke all of them:

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” James 4:17

God wrote the law on each man’s heart so they are without excuse on judgment day when we will ALL stand before Christ(”Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another” Romans 2:15). The penalty of sin is death and eternal punishment in the LAKE OF FIRE. I am warning you about hell because I love you! You are dead in your sins and headed for hell which is described in the Word as a FIRE THAT QUENCHES NOT(”…the fire is not quenched” Mark 9:44). It is a horrible and terrible place of everlasting torment that people will go because of their sins.

“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” Luke 16:22-24

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;” 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

But God has provided a way for each to escape the lake of fire. He sent his Son Jesus(God manifest in the flesh-1 Timothy 3:16) who was conceived by a virgin by the Holy Spirit of God,lived a sinless life, and suffered a horrible death/shed blood and rose again 3 days later to take the penalty of YOUR sins so you dont have to pay for them in hell for eternity! He loved you so much which is why he did it! He is the only one to have fufilled the law perfectly(sinless) and paid the price of the entire world’s sins so that man could be saved on the merits of His perfection(see Romans 5:19). All you must do to be saved is BELIEVE in Him(trust in Him to save you as a sinner). You must admit your lost sinful condition to Him/that you’re worthy of hell, and ask Him to save you by placing complete trust in Jesus ALONE for salvation(an example in the Word of someone doing this- “And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.” Luke 18:13).It is not even partly by yourselves that you can be saved, but only by the merits of Jesus Christ!

“For God so loved the world, He sent his only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life” John 3:16.

“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” 1 John 2:2

“…Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” Revelation 1:5

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

“Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” Acts 16:29-31

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Romans 10:9-10

No works or anything you do can save you! May God open your eyes, that one day I may see you in heaven. Read the Word of God(the 1611 King James version- NOT the modern versions, they are corrupt) before rejecting it! Death is fleeting. You may NOT have tomorrow! For death comes when we least expect it! Make sure you are saved TODAY! The Bible condemns the rich, the wealthy, and those who take advantage of the poor, so it CANNOT have been made up by the elite. Because the Word clearly CONDEMNS people such as those! It declares all mankind as sinners(myself included).

I am a Christian, and love you enough to warn you of the dangers of hell. Beware, the Roman catholic church is NOT Christian! The church CANNOT save you but only Christ! Just because someone says they are a Christian does not necessarily mean they are one(remember the crusades in history? Many were murdered in the name of Christianity. These were no Christians at all by their testimony). Please email me to inquire more. I would be glad to help you out in your search for truth!(my email- livingwaters705@hotmail.com)…To those who slander/mock me, I pray for you and love you anyways and hope you will trust Christ before its too late!

I call upon my fellow Christians on here to return hate posts with love and blessings. The Lord commands us to love them:

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” Matthew 5:43-45

Salvation is not found in good works, rituals, church, the pope, water baptism, good lives, etc….But ONLY found by faith in Jesus Christ the Savior!

If you need prayer or anything, just let me know! I would be glad to help! I love and care for you, and I have prayed that every person that reads this who do not know the Lord, would one day turn to Christ in faith for salvation for their sins. I beg you to turn to Christ in faith before it is too late! You get ONE chance while living and then it is too late forever:

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” Hebrews 9:27

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:32

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6

“…there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:21-22

“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Revelation 22:17

gordon Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
truther, I have a very large holy spirit in my pants.

Ronda Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Truther, do you see what you are doing? You are CAUSING people to blaspheme.
YOU ARE CAUSING THIS.
Jesus wouldn’t spam.

Kenneth DeWit Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
This is men for ya. that’s all
Nate Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
You are a moron. Guns don’t kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. If I stab someone with a plastic fork it could kill somebody, moron. Guns are security, not having a gun is not secure. Take a look a South America and GB for good instances of how people without guns are more INSECURE than people with guns. Crime goes up almost 40%, not down. Need proof just go here and read it and weep: http://www.apatheticvoter.com/GunControl.htm

Steve McGarrett Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I was in Rio several times. You are wrong. Rio has a reputation as a “rough” city. One of the roughest in the world. But all I got was blowjobs from those gals in tongas. I didn’t need a gun to force them either. Just enough money to buy a few “batchidas” and they were putty in my hands. Nothing like the transvestites in Honolulu. Nobody I met in Rio even cared about a gun (except the one I was packing between my leggs) and they were all very secure in their personal effects and in their sexuality.
Melvin Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
For those that don’t appreciate our second amendment rights, then carry your sorry backside to
Canada or Britain, by the way don’t let that sorry government TSA hit ya on the backside on the way out. Now that’s freedom!
pitofdoom Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
If you believe in gun rights:
http://www.resistnet.com/group/iresistguncontrol
Alienation Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Fools. Talking about Vets with PTSD… as if you knew. Some would believe it’s okay to take away “their” guns. Others would rather be stuck in an elevator with “them”. FUCK OFF! Your words give you away: you’re not a Brother or a Sister.

Give me a Veteran with or without PTSD any day and I’ll have his/her back the only stranger to us is you.

Kenneth DeWit Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Amen to this
Kirk Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Truther! You truely are an ass! Why don’t you ever write about how the Bible endorses murder and beatings and hatred? I know why. Because we can’t cloud the issue with facts! Then your whole world of make believe with wither and die! It’s another tool for control and enslavement of the uneducated and weak minded,which you appear to meet the criteria. Get a life and stop babling this bullshit!

Kenneth DeWit Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
The KORAN?
EB Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:27 am
To better understand this read books by Col. Donn de Grand Pre at http://www.degrandprebooks.com.
hellferbreakfast Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Those who would trade liberty for a little security deserve neither.
Larry Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Cut Medicare by $500 billion? It is already massively underfunded. I work in a hospital that has laid out over $55 million this year already for “unfunded” medicare/medicaid treatment. That is stuff the patient needs but the feds won’t pay for. If we don’t provide the “standard level of care” then we have the possibility of EMTALA violations and other fines.

They will ram this down our throats and the next thing we will see is federalization of the health care system. All the hospitals will go broke and be owned by the feds.
Kenneth DeWit Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
ALEX, there are some TRUE NUT cases on here God Blessem, but that does NOT stop the Illuminata from trying to detroy us BY ANY MEANS AT THERE DISPOSAL, does it? Like TAKING OUR ONLY DEFENSE AWAY FROM US!
Tom Sherman Says:
November 6th, 2009 at 3:35 am
I can hear Obama now: The killing in Ft. Hood Texas, Obama will probably want to take away the guns from the military.
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