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BBC Attack Piece Promotes Cottage Industry Of Debunkers
Self professed “skeptics” claim they promote critical thinking while doing the exact opposite
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Oct 6, 2009
The BBC cannot resist attacking anyone who questions the establishment line and counters mainstream accounts of events, especially if they make up part of the new and exciting alternative media that is contributing to the corporation’s ongoing fossilization.
That is why in a feature article today, the corporation is promoting a group of “scientists and skeptics” whose declared mission is to vigorously debunk those who are questioning the “accepted versions” of events.
“While many people find them harmless fun, others believe there is a darker truth – that conspiracy theories are rewriting history, warping the present and altering the future. Enough is enough they say – it’s time to fight back.” the report reads.
The article centres around the “non profit” James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), which charges £175 a ticket to its conferences, events that equate to little more than rabid debunking fests on everything from 9/11 truth to research claiming mercury containing vaccinations are harmful.
In a deliberate Orwellian warping of language, JREF attendees are described as “skeptics” who are promoting critical thinking”:
“…scientists, writers and comedians target conspiracy theories – and their close cousins pseudoscience and medical quackery – in front of an audience loosely allied by their desire for more rational, critical thinking.” the report states.
“…some delegates prefer to call themselves rationalists, free thinkers or Brights. Out there in the audience is the next generation of bloggers and media professionals,” [JREF president Dr Phil] Plait says.
In what plain of reality is it considered “free thinking” to debunk and shut down alternative theories and questions in favour of a recieved reality?
Luminaries and speakers at the recent conference in London, titled The Amazing Meeting (TAM), included Glenn Hill, the son of someone who claimed to have taken pictures of fairies at the bottom of their garden, but later admitted it was a hoax.
The BBC report on JREF brazenly lumps in questions over the 9/11 attacks with moon landing conspiracies and individuals who claim to have paranormal spoon-bending powers.
It highlights the fact that those who have questioned and challenged the findings of the 9/11 commission have had a “massive impact”, however, the tone of the piece suggests this is thoroughly negative and even dangerous.
Presumably the 9/11 commissioners themselves should be a target for the JREF debunkers, given that six of the ten have openly questioned the Commission’s findings and described the whole thing as a whitewash.
Perhaps the same goes for the majority of the 9/11 victims’ family members, who also have unanswered questions regarding the attacks, according to the head of the biggest 9/11 families group.
JREF was officially established in 1996 to “help debunk paranormal and pseudoscientific claims”. How ironic it is then that the foundation seemingly supports the pseudoscientific claim that jet fuel, and office fires in the case of of World Trade Center 7, can burn at temperatures hot enough to cause multi-story steel framed structures to collapse and disintegrate at free fall rate.
JREF has comedians and a man who pretended to have a picture of fairies at its conferences, the 9/11 truth movement has heard from hundreds of architects, engineers and physics professors. How telling it is that the BBC paints up JREF as the credible organisation, while the 9/11 truth movement is reduced to the level of racist internet-dwelling freaks.
The ever present anti-semite smear against the 9/11 truth movement is present, tick that prerequisite off the list. Apparently British investigative journalist Jon Ronson (he who lied in his own book in claiming he entered the elite Bohemian Grove gathering with Alex Jones) posted a comment on a 9/11 truth forum and was, according to the BBC, “abused and ridiculed because he is Jewish”.
Demonization of the internet is there too, with the following lazy smear:
“Conspiracy theorists have used the internet to co-ordinate increasingly slick attacks on the accepted versions of events… Conspiracy theories predate the internet but the web has provided a fast, accessible platform for groups to unite, gather research and disseminate information without even meeting or leaving their houses.”
Check off another cliched attack.
The piece also intimates that a belief in a conspiracy regarding the assassination of JFK is something to be classed as kooky or revisionist. A reader comment nails the ridiculousness of such a claim:
So I guess you’re also including the “House Select Committee on Assassinations” who in 1970 concluded that “The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy.” This was a three-year investigation carried out carried out by the US Government. Those loony conspiracy nuts.
If the BBC and JREF are trying to convince the general public to believe something different, they have a great deal of work to do, given that some forty years later 7 in 10 stark raving mad kooks believe the assassination was the result of a nefarious plot, not the act of a lone killer.
Another reader comment on the BBC piece injects some common sense into an otherwise blithering mess of an article:
Some conspiracy theorists are plain nuts, but the ability and right to question what is commonly taught is extremely important. To assert that all conspiracy theories are bunk is the same as saying “believe what you are told”. Surely this is dangerous thinking?
The BBC has routinely attacked the 9/11 truth movement and over the past few years has produced no less than four television hit pieces laden with bias and emotional manipulation in an attempt to debunk legitimate questions that remain unanswered.
The corporation has also hacked its way through research into the 7/7 London bombings that has raised concerning questions in the vacuum that exists due to the lack of any real investigation into the attacks.
In addition the BBC has taken to debunking any deviations from the official version of events surrounding Lockerbie, The Oklahoma City Bombing, and the deaths of Dr David Kelly and Princess Diana.
All of these shows have been backdropped with so called “experts”, including the director of The X-Files, forcing ludicrous, cringe-worthy and cliched psychobabble down the throats of viewers to the effect of “the conspiracy theorists just want to believe that there is a big evil force, that they have no power to resist, manipulating and controlling everything.”
We have attempted to engage the makers of these programs directly. Alex Jones himself has appeared in many of them and has had their producers and creators on his show as guests. Each time they have had very little to contribute and have actively shown themselves to be completely uninformed on the subjects they have supposedly spent months researching.
Trust in the BBC went down the toilet bowl a long time ago. The corporation was effectively castrated by the government following its role in the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction debacle that preceded the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
After the Blair government appointee Lord Hutton astonishingly exonerated the government of any wrong doing over the affair, the Director General of the BBC, Greg Dyke, was forced to quit. The corporation was also made to issue a groveling apology for daring to act like an independent journalistic source when it ran a story claiming that the government had “sexed up” its Iraq weapons dossier with unreliable intelligence.
Greg Dyke has since spoken of a “Westminster conspiracy”, on the part of the elite political class and the BBC, that is actively breaking down democracy in Britain. But then again I guess he is just one of the loony internet-dwelling spoon-bending conspiracy theorists that the BBC is proud to announce should be countered by the “critical thinkers” of the James Randi Educational Foundation.
I guess we should simply trust a giant media corporation that is directly subsidized by the government and feeds off enforced tax payer license fees to deliver our “critical thinking” for us.
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October 6th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Always remember that George Orwell conceived of his great novel nineteen eighty four after working at the BBC. It is just as Orwellian today!
Coyote Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am
What is the biggest tool that the NWO ( New World Order ) has and uses against us every day? Answer. Mainstream media and the lies they spew. How can we fight this injustice? We fight back with the truth. And we do it on there own web sites. When any reporter files a report that I know to be untrue what I do is copy the link that tells the truth. Post it in there comment section along with my own opinion. And sometimes if I can’t find an article to prove something I’ll just tell people to go visit Infowars.com or Prisonplanet.com.
The fact is is when you show someone the truth. Most of the time they will pursue that truth and find other truths. And that’s why we now have what I call the great awakening. Everyone knows that mainstream media lies. And that the government lies. What they don’t know is where to find the truth.
I don’t know about you but I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more. I’m bring the fight to them. I have the truth and they have there lies. And the sheepel out there are so thirsty for the truth that that in itself makes this plan work.
And at the end of the day I sleep good knowing that I didn’t take any of there S.H.I.T (Shady,Hyped,Inaccurate,Truth).
mikslim Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
nice one coyote
bubblebutt Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
mainstream media is a psyop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
With you, brother! My re-education strategy is in the streets, one-on-one.
Keep up the effort! It is the calculated stubbornness for a good and worthy cause that defines a “Winner”!
CTLovesNathanHale Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
More limey garbage from the global center of tyranny, England. Fuck you, England — we’ll be fixing your wagon soon, don’t worry!
The amazing Randi was a magician who debunked true frauds when alive. I don’t recall him ever trying to reinforce false arguments about political events. Sounds like his foundation has been taken over by limey intel operatives.
F**ked Englishman Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I’m here in London, the HQ of the NWO. Trust me. I am as unhappy with that situation as you are. What’s worse is I actually have to pay for this propaganda!
Yes, the BBC was finally cowed by the disgusting Hutton whitewash. There was a time when it wasn’t always that way. The Corporation that bought us Gladio…
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=16921
…This USS Liberty doc…
http://video.google.co.uk/vide.....firefox-a#
…and the limited hang out but still rather good the Power of Nightmares
http://www.documentary-film.ne.....&ref=7
However, we now get nothing but government state mandated truth as news, climate change/Malthusian nonsense as science and trivial tittle-tattle as entertainment. This type of hit piece is nothing new.
will hale Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
pommy cunts
love to shove their fucking vaccine up their ass
how do inbreds get away with this shit!
seriously
their dna pool is miniscule
why do the masses suck up to them fawn over them
truly they deserve to get their just deserts
and dont tell me charlie boy is the father to prince harry!!
hahah so funny everyone can see who his dad really is but no-one has the balls to say it
Elsewhere Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Oi!! CT, easy on the “fuck you”s, mate. We aren’t over here saying “fuck you America” for 9/11 and all the other dodgy imperialist moves that the American government spearheads. This is a war without borders, the NWO is not headed by any one particular country. And the war is being waged on all of us. Get the idea of national sovereignty out of your head, it’s as much an illusion as the left right paradigm.
Steve Williams Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Yep. The NWO cannibals are everywhere.
Sc00ter Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Uhh, Randi is still alive.
Evil Eye Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 6:42 am
James Randi is neither dead, nor a debunker.
And the limey in charge is American Astronomer Phil Plait.
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
The Britz want to build a “Skeptic Tank”. They can just solicit the troll/shills on this site if they are willing to pay what the NWO pays for our pests; which is $ 7 per post, I hear. No talent, no pay.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Here’s a lesson to help you know when someone is lying. If you question their statement, and they get mad at you for that, then they are lying. Their voice will rise in volume and tone as they try to make the person who questions then as the bad guy. If they remain calm and just say they understand what they said as truth, they are most likely telling the truth. Do you remember when Bill Clinton repeated the statement “9/11 was an inside job? 9/11 was an inside job? HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU!” This is a classic liar’s reaction. So, you know he knows that 9/11 WAS an inside job.
SLICKDAWGMAMMA Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am
If you step back and put all the pieces together then you will realize that its so easy to figure out the conspiracies especially within the whole ‘terrorist’ dupe issue. The whole world is getting roped off because of a fake terrorist scare. So basically the illuminati fabricates all the terrorism to what ever means they want. This is 2nd grade Romper Room schoolwork.
So if you go a step deeper then you will realize that its a whole canniving plan for global domination from a demonic network whos symbolizm and secret societies are everywhere. Whats so hard to figure out ?
SLICKDAWGMAMMA Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:39 am
NETWORKING FOR TRUTH ON ALEX JONES MYSPACE BLOGS…..
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Slik, What is hard to figure out is how those (NWO/FED) who have so much money (they have stolen all our “money”) cannot buy decent talent. All their shills are weak and unbelievable. Beck get supposedly gets $50,000,00 and could not sell a used car.
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Works very well on ‘talk-show hosts’!!!
Alex Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 4:26 am
How do you know this? I work in cognitive neuroscience and as far as I know no medical journal has ever printed such. Be careful using personal experience and anecdote as your primary sources of knowledge. As the skeptics say: “I think you’ll find it’s a little more complicated than that.”
A Patriot Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 8:44 am
True – but whenever someone I am debating turns from the issue at hand to issuing character attacks – I know the debate is over – I have won the day – for they have nothing left to stand on!
October 6th, 2009 at 11:29 am
That’s exactly what Alex Jones does.
I hope the irony isn’t lost on you, idiot.
Peter Wolf Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Its not a guaranteed indication that someone is lying either.Far from it so if AJ does this its not proof or indicative of lying.
Please try harder Alex Jonestein……..
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I think you missed his point! The ones who get defensive when asked something that pressures them to start thinking on their feet, are the ones whose ‘truth’ is based on shaky ground. Those who know the truth and can answer in rational thought, without feeling “challenged” are most likely more sure of their answers and their position.
No! It’s not 100%, but it’s VERY EFFECTIVE in “provoking thinking”!
It is usually easier to remember the truth as there is only one true answer to most questions. It is far harder to keep track of a mounting pile of lies and ‘half-answers’ as memory begins to cloud.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am
The BBC belongs in George Orwell’s 1984 – It could even make a entry in Animal farm
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
BBC= Bogus Broadcaster Cabal.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:34 am
I wish Alex would quit interrupting people when they speak. I can’t stand that. It’s like he has pressured speech or something. My step-mother is like that and she has bipolar illness.
Someone please tell Alex to let people finish their sentences! It really looks bad on him.
Peter Wolf Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
So do i because its annoying.I have watched this happen over and over but like a lot of others he gets rather carried away with himself sometimes .
Its not good if it becomes a habit.
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Quit bitch’n. He has a great deal to say and has a fast mind and usually knows what the person is about to say. How many times does his interjecting result in the guest saying; “exactly”? He wants to save time , so he provides a brief summary or suggestion. Be thankful for his abilities. I know what you are saying when you say you want to hear what the guest has to say, but mostly he is just efficient. If it were not for Alex, I would not have anyone to listen to and no place to get good information.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:39 am
These people are ALL EGO. In fact their ego acts as their own private mega dose of thimerosal on their brains. They don’t want the truth, they just want to fancy themselves smarter than you or I. They are hollow intellectuals. They have all the trappings and none of the substance. A person genuinely interested in the truth would be humbled by the search.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
The BBC were not able to make a competent request.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The Amazing Randi is garbage personified. Total spook operative- always has been. He IS “The Usual Suspect” when it comes to debunking the truth. Began his career faking Houdini tricks and denouncing “Spiritualists” whatever the f*ck that is.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am
This from the people who jumped their cue on 9/11 announcing Building 7 collapsing.
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
By 23 minutes! Ha-ha-ha-ha! Trying to ’sex it up’ no doubt.
October 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Please, INFOWARS edit your articles more carefully – even minor spelling errors (e.g., “plain” instead of “plane of reality”) are enough for MSM hacks and sychophants to discredit you….
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I wouldn’t even worry about it! The MSM can’t even tell the same lies multiple times and remain credible, let alone teach anyone proper writing. Just look through most of our nation’s newspapers! There are MORE spelling errors, bad grammar, and poor word choices all over!
Infowars and PrisonPlanet do a lot better job of writing than even the Wall Street Journal or New York Times!
Ocean Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Define ‘better’?
Infowars / prisonplanet are certainly have no sense of journalistic unbias, so I dont think you could compare them to an item such as a newspaper. (I am fully aware that not all paper media is completely unbiased, maybe someone can vouch for your given examples on this occasion)
or do you really mean investigative prowess?
October 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Most of you are nuts. Global climate Change is real. Just as real as dumping chemicals in your back yard and wondering if there will any ill effects. What you guys are doing is doubting everything you hear; and I can understand that after seeing all the disinformation put out to confuse us on politics in general. But if you remember a while back, almost all the rich guys who pollute, wanted accountability removed from print. So what, that our government is using the idea to make money, they do this for all things; that is their gig. But the insurance companies are all for the fight against polluters because it is costing them money.
It is simple as this. You pollute, it goes somewhere. Is our weather being affected by it. Well, that is an entirely different argument. But the fact that should be addressed is the non accountability of business. I think you will all agree. If you know a little about science, then you know that our weather is on a feedback system just like the human body has when the organ systems are communicating with each other. and when things get out of balance, things change. So when ice melts, fresh water goes into the ocean, currents change direction, winds follow, and entire landscapes are changed. Where it was once a dry climate, now wet. When it was a wet climate, now dry. It is just not about warm weather change. So stop posting about how cold it is. we are going through a drougbt that is a record breaker. Then you also have acidification of the oceans, over fishing, oil spills, radioactive waste dump sites, mercury pollution, and so forth. This is what we are fighting. So get over your selves.
Not to mention, there is the people who work for oil companies, and post here like they are a regular joe. They burry any credible posts, and make the truth look like idiots. And you guys are buying into their game. that is why I called all of you idiots.
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
File this one in the round file.
Steve Williams Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Why?
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Because the people pushing for carbon tax are the same crooks who cause most of the real pollution alluded to by skateboardkid.
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
… and because monopolists like the Rockefellers have done their damnedest to thwart any attempt at developing more sensible alternatives to the internal combustion engine…. and because the money from carbon tax is not going to the “Government”, but will end up in private hands… and because geopolitical meddling by the same crooks results in illegal deforestation and other natural disasters that impact weather… and because we don’t know how much of an effect the weather experiments of the globalists are affecting the droughts and floods and hurricanes we have been seeing more of lately… and so on and so forth.
Sure we need to do something, but carbon tax is most certainly NOT the answer.
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Sorry typo:
“are affecting” should read “are having upon”
Strum Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
sid you are right on, and about the only one here talking any sense
Put Simply:
CO2 based warming is a myth.
BUT People DO have a massive impact on the environment in many and complex ways of which we really understand little.
Environmental problems are the result of a sick political/economic system and will not be solved until the system is changed.
Environmental problems are a symptom not a cause.
Carbon trading and taxing will only make things worse and hand out more money and control to the bastards that created the problem in the first place.
Who knows what effects the covert weather modification is having.
I suggest that perhaps this whole hysteria over “climate change” could well be the cover story for massive weather manipulation that is going on and increasing as the technology for it get’s more powerful.
Stop fighting each other , only united against the common enemy can we change things
warren buffett Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
All this ” Global Warming ” has Mother Earth pissed off, she’s quaking the ground all over the planet. Another earthquake SW of Portaviagra mexxyco today.
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
@ “SKATEBOARDKID”:
DISINFO TROLL! ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Another “Move along” so-and-so!
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
skate bored, You have hit on your head too many times. You probably have no nuts left from trying to skate on hand rails. Go call yor daddy Al Goree and tell him you need to borrow some money to move out of the basement. Go “burry’ yourself, you little useless eater.
October 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
United States of Israel.
Treasury is Bankrupt.
American Holocaust.
9/11 False Flag.
James Blunt,
No Bravery
October 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Don’t forget to add that when temp changes over an area, that viruses, and bacteria will flourish. Which inturn affects everything in the cycle of life.
Lets not forget the food supply. Now that the area gets less water, we get less food. So you guys will still be arguing this off topic discussion even when you are starving for food from climate change. What idiots. And just so you know, the BBC is a habitial lier, but is doing this topic to increase ratings.
Wake up, and actually do something about your future. Or you can just go pray to your stupid gods, and everything will be alright. Just go back to sleep, idiots.
Steve Williams Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
“habitual liar”
And lie, lie, lie the BBC does when it suits some current political agenda.
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
@ “skateboardkid”:
You’re not even trying to be authentic!
Buuzzzzzt!!! YOU LOSE!
October 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Internet news fills-in-the-blanks of constructive critical thought which mainstreams narrow views follows the life of a lemming.
October 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Bang on the money Steve. It is so sad what has become of the Beeb since Greg Dyke was kicked out.
Trouble is, the more cerebrally challenged among us are still lapping up their lies. Especially now they are viewing through their new-fangled High Definition sets, which, as you know, are a propagandist’s wet dream.
wildcat Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Most airports and cafe’s have their widescreen TV’s set to Sky News….
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
That is some hardcore brainwashing…
Have you noticed the increase in piped crappy pop music everywhere? It makes me feel queasy enough to leave the premises.
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
sid, have you heard any new non-crappy music since the NWO bought all the media? They killed entertainment by promoting only artists that agree with them Because they do not attract talent we are entertainment starved. I do not turn on the radio and I forgot where I put my TV.
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I’ll have to take your word for that Jim because I avoid anything mainstream these days and that includes supermarkets and airports etc. It is like living in a parallel universe, I’m still in the 20th century.
I am a hardcore jazz fan, but I do appreciate the diverse music AJ plays on his show – because it is always good music.
October 6th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I left this comment on that BBC article. I doubt they post it.
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Conspiracies take place everyday on this planet. Both large & small. The government & the media tells us 19 middle eastern terrorist conspired & carried out the 9/11 attacks. Adding the word ‘theory’ after conspiracy is meant to discredit those who question the “accepted” versions of events. Homicide detectives engage in conspiracy theories until the pieces come together & the murderer is caught. Countering the status quo…I mean “the accepted versions of events’ is perfectly normal & sane. Especially when the information related to an event contradicts itself at every turn. This BBC article is disingenuous. To bring up Ronson getting attacked for being Jewish is another tactic by the establishment to paint the 9/11 Truth movement as anti-Semitic. To imply that a global movement with people from all walks of life & ethnicities are Jew haters is completely absurd.
Another tactic is to lump in legitimate conspiracies with big foot & paranormal baloney.
I could sit here all day & point out the lies in this article & break down the so called debunkers. It would be simple. Maybe I will thoroughly rip this article a part and email it to the author? I just might do that. HA HA now what is this stuff about fairy’s in a garden? What a pack of clowns.
warren buffett Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Your all over the place, mate. They have their story, we have ours. The sheeple are still asleep.
October 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
What an ignorant, hypocritical and poorly worded article. Is this a rant or journalism?
Is this an attack on JREF or the BBC, it kind of shifts focus half way through.
“..Glenn Hill, the son of someone who claimed to have taken pictures of fairies at the bottom of their garden, but later admitted it was a hoax.”
You’re kidding right, are you trying to infer belief due to heritage? Ignoring the fact that it was an intentional hoax, and the fact that he is a published writer on religion [Religion Explained in an Hour].
Further, does having a sense of humour alienate you from rational enquiry, are comedians not welcome as skeptics?
Fire away at the BBC, by all means, but you may find levelling your guns at JREF akin to friendly fire. Anyone with access to youtube can see all the great work that has been done by JREF to debunk woo and the like.
I cannot imagine why you would be afraid of analytical minds. Or are you stating that you know everything 100% already about 9/11 and we should just cease discussion?
Elsewhere Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Hmmm, comedians and hoaxers versus qualified, trained engineers, metallurgists, scientists, architects and 100s of eye-witnesses which include, journalists, firefighters and police, not to mention the family members of victims who did some research and found the official version of events to be wanting, to say the least. Who to trust? Who to think might actually have some answers? Tricky one isn’t it Ocean. Oh well, if in doubt, eeney-meeney-miney-mo….
Elsewhere Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
And no, nobody is stating that they know 100% what happened on 9/11 (to take just one false flag operation). Thats why the Truth Movement is calling for a full independent and transparent inquiry. Debunking the paranormal, yeti’s and other such Arthur.C.Clarke mysteries does not even figure in this discussion.
Ocean Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I am simply separating the goals of JREF and the Truth Movement, just because the BBC reports on an issue does not mean the issue and the reporter hold the same aims or beliefs.
Also it should be noted I was not making a competition between the quality of testimony, although JREF speakers are oft esteemed commentators.
I am well aware of the warranted reasons for more inquiry into 9/11 (and support such an effort), yet there is also plenty of issues which do not hold up to skeptical enquiry, of these it is easy to assign them to conspiracy theory. Just because something is not true, it does not make all truth lies. Occams razor can have at them.
I would hold the aim of truth as a lofty an honorable goal, regardless of its subject. Why must only one discussion be applicable at any one time?
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
@ “Ocean”:
Another one of closed mind?!? Since when does the establishment ever utilize ‘analytical minds’, as you refer to them? I think you really ought to do some research and find out for yourself what the real story is!
Ocean Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Again, JREF is not ‘The establishment’. I thought I had been clear on the separation of the BBC and JREF. Further I thought I had been quite transparent on my availability of reason, free thought and skeptical enquiry. I am also fully versed on the ‘real story’.
If you consider that the ‘real story’ is infallible and complete, then it is you, sir, with the closed mind. However, if you consider the parts of the ‘real story’ judiciously, you already know of which parts can be considered void and can be cast into the depths of conspiracy theory – so that we can seek truth without making up our own evidence – or worse trying to make the evidence fit our hypothesis.
To put it simply, be honest with yourself and separate the wheat from the chaff.
October 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
skateboardkid Yes climate change is real. Everyone knows that. Now man made global warming is total BS & the so called solutions being offered up are horrible.
October 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Why is it so hard to believe that what we do, comes back to us later. There is a plant next to the ocean that sucks water in, and takes certain n elements out of the water. I am not sure what they are taking out; but am sure that there will be an effect. Just like coal plants with the mercury releasing into the air, then flows down to the fish we eat. In my state, I can eat about 4 portions of fish a month. Now does this same mercury affect other things, sure.
The bees that are dying, is it from pesticides, pharmasuticals in the water. It would be nice to know, so we may correct this. Meanwhile, we don’t sit here and do nothing while we argue the cause. Now will this affect the weather. I don’t know. But I bet when plants are missing, and other insects that rely on them; then maybe other things happen as well. Or even the acid in the ocean; over here, we have red tides. I guess that is also man made from all the pesticides coming down the rivers. Does this affect the weather, maybe so.
I dont think anyone here is qualified to prove where cancer comes from. That is how the people who cause cancer, get away with it. that is what you are doing. Asking me where cancer comes from. I will tell you though, that cancer is man made, and recent in history.
It is all these things, that is changing our environment. So we must put this discussion into proper context. And just for the record, I do understand all the lying on the news, false flag operations, propaganda out the y-zoo. But I think you guys are missing the point. This is about man made pollution, not weather change. Although weather change is entirely possible due to our greedy behavior on this planet.
If you look at this topic before it became mainstream, scientists all agreed that we are having climate change due to man’s influence. And that they we all scared because it is like a switch. When the feedback is turned on, change comes very quickly. water with more salinity pulls water with less concentrate. There are river currents in our oceans, and everything revolves around it. From food sources for fish, to trade winds for shipping, and land masses with weather more temperate due to nearby ocean currents. As ice melts, it changes these concentrations.
Furthermore, did you know that just a few degrees difference cause a bacilli to flourish and cause havoc for the Normans; so they relocated. Then the Norman’s moved next to the Roman empire, and guess what happened. So a bacilli caused the fall of Rome.
So I would not be a know it all, you do not know what you are talking about. Look at real scientists, they hold out to say something because they want to be sure. Often it takes years to come up with a sound idea. This is how these guys came up with the idea of climate change by man, many many years ago. But also, science is so vast, often things are discovered by accident while looking for something entirely different. This tone of speech, is what I look for. And not some numb-nut saying on a blog that they know, and can break it all down. Ridiculous.
Ocean Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
My understanding is as follows:
Cancer comes from a genetic mutation involving an extra piece of dna in every cell (called telomeric DNA) which is used when a cell replicates itself, once this extra piece of dna has run out – old age /death sets in. The longer this extra piece of dna is, the longer your natural life / but the higher chance of the dna self-replicating out of control (becoming cancerous).
As it is a global, genetic mutation I propose that it is neither manmade, nor very recent.
And as for climate change, we should absolutely work as if it is true, regardless of evidence one way or another, we only have one planet to run experiments on.
taiki Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
There are so many side benefits to going green that it’s not even funny. Even *if* climate change is somehow a myth, taking pollutants out of air will be make air more breathable, give us more efficient cars, and generally improve our quality of life. When I grew up in the 80’s, this was the major push by the environmentalist crowd. Why they abandoned it is beyond me.
sid frobisher Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I think the tax-free foundations ‘own’ the environmental watchdogs, same as they ‘own’ the medical establishment.
Dragon's Eye Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
@ “skateboardkid”:
I don’t think YOU are qualified to lecture anyone else here, on the basis that you probably haven’t even done any research to find the answers for yourself!
I fully-believe that 32,000 scientists that refused to go along with the flawed report from the IPCC on the basis that it was all political and “lacked any credible science” as opposed to the mere 600 who went along without question, as more qualified to give a valid assessment of what was really going on. Hmmmm! :::
32,000 / 600 = 53.333333
For every 1 FOR the anthropogenic climate change theory
to about 53 that say anthropogenic climate change is FALSE,
So you are saying that the minority of scientists saying “yes” are correct and the majority who said “no, it isn’t” are wrong???
I think you have blown your credibility ( and commonsense ) right out the window!
FreePeople Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am
I agee with Dragon Eye -Some people simply can not see the wood for the trees! not very scientific, but does emphasize the lack of common sense used form time to time. Especially when a special interest is being used – Then common sense is a nuisance and spin becomes the order of the day! The Skeptics and Spin doctors are among us!! Beware from now on – Its probably a co-ordinated measure and involves New Labour Spin and was thought up on a Yaught off the coast of a Greek Island!!!
taiki Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Actually the numbers of scientists who support the IPCC claims and the idea of anthropomorphic climate change are in the millions globally. Besides, even if you’re in the vast minority of scientific opinion, it’s still possible to be completely right. Science is not democratic.
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Kid, The damned NWO is adding chemicals to your water to harm you intentionally. It is also dropping Aluminum Dioxide and Barium from the Chemtrails to do harm to all humans. Stop watching TV, it can ruin your mind. Now, go skate on the beach.
October 6th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Had your fluroride today skateboard?
Look, no-one is denying that there are problems with pollution on this planet. But the pollution is largely caused by the globalists/monopolists and their geo-political shenanigans. So the obvious answer is, we get rid of them, before they get rid of us.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND???
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
sid, We need to exterminate the exterminators to save humanity. The NWO must be stopped “dead in their tracks” NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sid frobisher Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
But we need the police and military to see sense imo, Jim.
October 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Lets get all the major world players on the same page, then your talking. China, India, Russia, all say a collective F*&K You! to any pollution control. Like you stated earlier post, China’s pollution does not stay over their skies for long. So the Pelosi’s and other govt. scam artists can tax us into third world category, while China and India and Russia continue on business as usual. Just what we need right now, an estimated $ 1700 and change added on to a typical family of fours carbon imprint, in the middle of this recession!
Wake up skateboardkid! Go get a gas mask while the price is right.
October 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Fer goodnessakes, the BBC brought us The Year of the Sex Olympics, Blakes 7, Threads and Edge of Darkness! And, for that matter, The Kenny Everett Television Show and Doctor Who. Get some f(cking perspective!
shocked and awed Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Threads was awesome!!!! Hated the way Blakes7 ended. You forgot to mention Fawlty Towers and casting Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes. Thanks for some F’n change of perspective, the news was getting me depressed.
October 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Wasn’t the BBC caught lying on the Day of 7/7 saying that several buses had exploded, when in fact it was just one bus, from diffrent directions.
I say this because its now a lesson taught to all News rooms covering breaking news, to always credit the source, and not claim it as your own, in case it ends up being false, alot like their debunking efforts of late.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I told you dumbasses 911 was committed by Arab Jihadist determined to kill us all. There is no conspiracy, Building 7 collapsed because of the “pillar effect”, JFK was killed by a lone gunman, George W Bush made the right decision in Invading Iraq and killing millions of Arab. Iran should be “wiped off the map” by our might nukes.
Ocean Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Strangley enough the actual death count is about 100′000 civilians in IRAQ during the Allied occupation (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/), yet the Saddam body count is estimated at between 500′000 to 1′000′000.
Its just a shame we didnt do the right thing earlier, we could have saved a lot more lives.
Iran should be left to run its course – if they can get the revolution going again, and this time not end up with clerics in charge, it would be a great day!
Jim Shores Reply:
October 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
You are not the real RE:CON, you did not mention you mother once.
October 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Its sad to see the decline of the BBC since Greg Dyke but it has been thoroughly infiltrated by New Labour/Common Purpose so it can no longer claim to be unbiased and objective as it has become politicised.This is the kiss of death as everything that NewLabour/common Purpose touch turns to shit.
I dont take its childish propaganda seriously.
October 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Recon marine is right on, and all of you conspiracy theorist whack jobs need to get off spiked punch
October 6th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
October 6th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Speaking of JREF has everyone seen the “Debunking Director” get his ass handed to him by Richard Gage. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY
October 6th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
“the 9/11 truth movement is reduced to the level of racist internet-dwelling freaks”
And rightly so. Well, I’m not sure about the racist bit, but just about everything else the 9/11 “truth” movement says is total bullshit. WTC7 disintegrating at a free fall rate being right at the top of the BS claims.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I wish some troops would wake up and fight for us I no I am talking out of context with this post I just picked it because there are Us troops in Japan in most all countries I no how they operate I was once a US army soldger they tear you down and make you a killer’ a weapon a number a last name no identity no moral just a killing machine for war.
Sell your soul for war I look into there eyes and I see pain I see a child suffering in and empty shell I see a person that knows theres something worth more than and order I see someone that was sworn to protect there country men women and children from harm’ And owe how we hurt owe how we suffer bI here the cries from the babies mothers woumb I here the cries from prison and from the homeless from the people that are trying to make the war machine stop with sighns and hope for change regardless of who’s listening to them” I hope you here me soldger because america is hurting there building your graves and marking them with a number is everything your doing worth the price you have to pay for law makers that do not even no your name.
Please help us
October 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
The BBC bastion of truth, impartiality, integrity? If you believe this, you’ll believe Bush was the greaterst prez ever. The current and previous Chairmen of the BBC are jews. The wife of its Director-General is a jew and so are some other senior staff. Don’t believe me? See this http://pakalert.wordpress.com/.....olled-bbc/. Also check out Robert Fisk’s article “How Can You Trust the Cowardly BBC” here http://www.independent.co.uk/o.....69281.html
I now prefer to think of the British Broadcasting Company as the B’naiB’rith Broadcasting Company.
FreePeople Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:12 am
It is also worth pointing out that the BBC boss refused to condemn the killing in Palestine during the last onslaught from Israel.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:20 am
The irony is you guys think you are the critical thinkers whilst actually blinkered into only being able to believe one thing – that there’s a conspiracy.
The worlds a mess, most people are trying their best to do the bestthey can but are frankly a bit rubbish, so bad stuff just happens. Deal with it. Don’t expect to find reasons and plans behind every corner, the worlds not like that. You are a small insignificant part of things, you haven’t unconvered something big and important, you are just wasting the little energy you have doing nothing constructive.
I don’t believe global warming because of media lies, I believe it due to logic and evidence. I don’t believe 9/11 wasn’t a conspiracy because of the media but because all alternative theories fail logically or are disproved directly by the evidence and a little rational thought. I don’t believe the moon landings happened just because of the media but also because the alternative conspiracy theories are logically flawed.
You all critisise others for ‘thinking they are so smart’ and yet seem to miss the irony.
Strum Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:13 am
Ad hominem attacks are not reasoned argument.
your comment has no factual content whatsoever.
Present me a link to the raw climate data that shows global i A) occuring at all and B due to CO2 content of atmosphere.
Explain the symmetry of the “collapse” of the 3 buildings.
You are obviously a shill, how much do they pay you?
Don’t you find it humiliating and draining, having to creatively defend lies day in day out,
to have to ignore the facts and continually focus on ways to distract, slander and obfuscate?
Sad loser, get a life, what will you tell your children when the truth finally becomes common knowledge?
Mark Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:03 am
“I don’t believe 9/11 wasn’t a conspiracy because of the media but because all alternative theories fail logically or are disproved directly by the evidence and a little rational thought.”
Translation: having done little to no investigation of 9/11 conspiracy theories I can safely say they are all false.
I used to equate them with the moon landing hoax too (which strangely enough came to prominence 35-40 years after the moon landings) but I was curious enough to see how convincing the 9/11 conspiracy theory films were http://www.youtube.com/user/Wakeymedia2.
What’s tragic is you probably won’t check back here and you will remain effectively brainwashed by the mainstream media and especially the “skeptics”. I’m a genuine skeptic in that I objectively look at both 9/11 truth and debunker material and decide for myself which versions of events are more logical.
taiki Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Every responsible investigation of the 9/11 conspiracy theories comes up false. Thermite can’t take down buildings. The WTC wasn’t rigged up with explosives. 19 Hijackers did indeed hijack 4 planes and land 3 of them into buildings.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:58 am
I’m suspicious of the volume of BOLD phrases in the above article. Call me old-fashioned but it feels like the modern-day equivalent of writing letters in green ink.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Interesting tactic, complaining about people mocking “conspiracy theories” you personally believe by mocking other peoples “conspiracy theories” you dont personally believe.
NASA didnt get the monicker Never A Straight Answer through decades of open truthtelling and full disclosure.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:46 am
What is up with the reader comments on that article, it doesn’t say that they are a representation and the comments box is still there (I imagine they’ve received hundreds of comments). For the record I submitted a comment yesterday.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:00 am
The bbc is a dying dinosaur. this latest stunt will backfire i feel people will watch it but yet feel that somehow what there been told are lies, i feel then they will look further into what they have been told and for the first time realise the truth.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:36 am
BBC – Common Purpose media manipulators
They really like to sit there and try take the moral high ground dont they ?
Its vomit inducing even watching there biased garbage for 5 minutes.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:48 am
For some balance, I headed over to Phil Plait’s blog (he is currently the JREF president), the more cautious sceptics don’t go to town on something they don’t know much about http://blogs.discovermagazine......lling-911/. Only tools like Evan Bernstein of The Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe podcast spew vitriol whenever the subject is raised (and the dedicated 9/11 debunking nuts on the JREF forum) http://www.theskepticsguide.or.....p;pid=217.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Fossilization
October 7th, 2009 at 5:23 am
I would imagine that the Sun’s different cycles have nothing to do with the climate changes that have occured for millions of years. Volcanic activity probably has nothing to due with it either. Let’s be real. Cycles of warming and cooling have been going on since the very begining. Global climate change, ( formerly known as Global Warming ) is a manufactured CRISIS to build new industries around and to collect more tax revenue while imposing more and more restrictions on small businesses and individuals. Yeah, let’s tax people based on the CO2 that they put in to the atmosphere. What a bunch of assclowns. Talk about fear mongering.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:08 am
This this your audition piece to be a member of “The Onion News Network”?
Pretty sure you’re a shoe in, if that’s the intention of this article.
If not, you’ve clearly missed the point completely. Skeptics are doing exactly what they claiming to do, trying to bring the truth forward.
There’s a difference between making claims against the norm, and those claims actually being true. Most of the topics covered by Skeptics have been repeatedly proven beyond a shadow of doubt to be 100% fictitious, but then moron’s like yourself try to label it as oppression in a pathetic attempt to cause fear in the eyes of your readers. Hopefully not all of them are as gullable as yourself.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Ya, skeptics they no nothing, next they’ll say that theres no evidence for the following truths.
A time traveling swine flu vaccine is responsible for the murder of Diana in 97 says Daily Excess. Cervarix accused of links to conspiracy!
Vaccine induced autism led N.A.S.A. officials & astronauts to conspire with Nixon White House 2 FAKE Moon landing claims actor’s girlfriend!
Dawkin confesses “Vaccine induced autism made me dismiss Intelligent Design & foolishly believe in the Darwin’s blasphemous EVILution” Init
Flu Vaccine prevents ODMF:- You think that a vaccine can cause autism & stop UR family having the jab; it proves, UR ONE DUMB M***** F*****!
JFK assassinated to stop him revealing truth behind 9/11.
Bigfoot really developed the Theory of Relativity but his work was stolen by Jew with funny hair.
How can ZOG think we wouldn’t find out about all these evil things; after all we is all well learned up on history and stuff? What you think ZOG we is stupid or sumat?
October 7th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Hahaha…ah man. I read this for a laugh. So many points to shoot down but I gave up after reading the “supports the pseudoscientific claim that jet fuel, and office fires in the case of of World Trade Center 7, can burn at temperatures hot enough to cause multi-story steel framed structures to collapse and disintegrate at free fall rate”.
Umm. Planes crashed into these buildings causing MASSIVE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE. Fire was a contributing factor but not the only factor.
Truthers conveniently forget that WTC had some extensive structural damage.
This article is a load of crap that unfortunately too many people fall for (and keep people like Alex Jones in the job). I doubt even Jones believes half the crap he talks.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Surely everyone knows by now that the BBC stands for Broadcast By Communists?
October 7th, 2009 at 8:01 am
To inform one reader above — CTLovesNathanHale — I’m still very much alive. Sorry.
To handle all this delusionary material is beyond my strength, at the moment. After all, I’m supposed to be dead… But my next book, due next year, is “A Magician in the Laboratory,” and will handle the general subject…
I welcome the Conspiracy Nuts to their collective delusions. Enjoy!
Mark Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Hi Randi (you’re promoting a book so I’ll assume it’s you),
I like the work you do but it’s a shame you’ve blanketed the vast amount of 9/11 evidence as “delusionary material”. If you want to see a rational, logical treatment of such material please set aside the time to check out Richard Gage’s presentation “9/11 Blueprint for Truth” http://video.google.com/videop.....903609314#.
I think the 9/11 Truth movement needs the skeptics on their side but unfortunately most of us use a cookie-cutter approach to this material and write it off as a load of nonsense before we even see/read it for ourselves.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am
30 mn ago I’ve posted comment about USS liberty in the bbc link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8291688.stm
I believe it has been censored.
I just commented about the USS Liberty and how the Anglo-Saxon media in that time were calling any one who was questioning the US gov version as conspiracy theorist.
But now we know that the US and Israel gov murdered their own people and were trying to Blame egypt for it
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October 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am
HEY STEVE WATSON
Why don’t you JOIN the JREF Forums and have it out with us “Rabid” debunkers. We eat conspiracy theories for breakfast.
We don’t bite.
Hard.
(For the record, we don’t have rabies either, nice smear though)
October 7th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Here is my problem.
You read two words in a BBC Article, and then assume the world is out to get you.
You assume all skeptics debunk, when in reality, all we want is real, not manufactured, evidence.
Grow up
October 7th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I have recently spent some (wasted) time following a few JREF 9/11 threads. Their ‘herd mentality’ and debunking ways seem to simply want to discourage and squash any discussion. I don’t understand the need for such sarcasm and insults like they regularly throw around at people. It comes across like they are all juveniles who have taken up debunking.
They must find it difficult…..Those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority -G. Massey
taiki Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
If I had to wager why anyone who spends time debunking things wants to discourage and squash discussion on something like 9/11, it’s probably because everyone’s tired of talking about… 9/11.
There’s a point where critical discussion of something so absolutely ridiculous breaks down from being serious to being an exercise in flogging dead horses.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:58 am
woo-hoo! we’re gettin to em! and they are so unbelievably inept that all they can do is throw the producer of the x-files at us to call us kooks? i needed some good news today.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
taiki
It is obvious jref-ers think it’s ridiculous. Kind of makes you wonder why said individuals spend so much time debating something they are tired of talking about.
On the other hand, I don’t think the family members who lost loved ones and demand answers are tired of talking about it, or the 70,000 NYCCAN signees, or the 900 architects and engineers, or the many thousands following the developments on the many truth websites.
taiki Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Because us skeptics will hear from our friends, family members, colleagues, etc. about these bogus claims and even “new” claims and they feel the need to discuss them.
Sure, we could shut up every time Alex Jones puts out a steaming pile like the Obama Deception or every time Dylan Avery revises Loose Change, or we could speak up and provide answers to these “questions.”
It’s been 8 years people. 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, no matter how much you want it to be true.
7-11 is an inside job, but the pay sucks.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:03 am
“I guess we should simply trust a giant media corporation that is directly subsidized by the government and feeds off enforced tax payer license fees to deliver our “critical thinking” for us.”
Instead we should trust you. And you are????? Your scientific qualifications are what? You’re not mental why? Go back into the shadows and continue scaring everyone into thinking you’re some kind a truth vigilante who speaks the only truth. As opposed to a scared little uneducated, uniformed attention seeker.
October 8th, 2009 at 5:45 am
When are you fuckers going to wake-up and smell the shite thats going on…..the BBC is just part of the corruption thats filters right through the powers of ALL western society…. all goverments are bought and paid for, the media required to feed us with the shite is bought and paid for.
We are being dumped down and fleeced, does anyone trully believe that all the Tax revenues raised by all western goverments is used to better our societies, NO FUCKING WAY…. is fed right in to the global banking groups, the true powers will do everything they can to ensure that they create the required foundations that allow them to build on our fears, supposed well being, and trust…….. peel the onion ……
9 11 ??? inside job without doubt…..This again is a foundation to build on fear and have the excuse to continue with miltary actions that keep the arms industry feed, no Iron Curtain to build on the fear .. they needed this …
Climate change…. again a load of bollocks ….. look at they tax increase trail, the excuses used to charge us more… fuel increase, tax increase, energy efficiency programmes, fail to meet target…. you’ll be taxed…… if the man made climate change shite where really true then serious changes would be required …… major changes to speed limits re duction in car manufacture for example …. but wait, this would mean less fuel, less tax, …. they tax you on usage… because the know you need to travel… heat your home, light your house, watch your TV…….
There would also be real investment in the alternative energy industry….. Look at the historical investment levels in the areas of Steel, Electronics, Shipping, etc….. when each of these areas started , life changing massive employment was the outcome …. no such thing will happen in the alternative energy industry……. the know its not needed…. to-date the levels of investment is in the Millions………. the others when kicked off was in the Billions
FUCKING WAKE UP !!!!!!! THEY ARE BASTARDS……. IN THE UK WE NO LONGER HAVE CHOICE…… EACH GOVERMENT IS A CLONE OF THE LAST….. , OBAMA, WHERE THE FUCK DID HE COME FROM………. HE WAS PLACED …. HE MET A NEED….. HE COVERS ALL THE BASES FOR A CORRUPT FRONT.
Swine Flu ?? Bird Flu?? HIV?? all Bollocks….. again were are feed the required shite to create the fear and allow big business to profit….. nothing else….
October 8th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Muzzo…you’re a dick.
Swine flu and Bird flu were real, and people died from it (although the media really failed to highlight that several thousand people die from common influenza every year).
There is zero evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. In the face of blinding truth (and science) you still call everything you hear bullshit, and decide to base your own theories from a bunch of misquotes, half truths, and assumptions and take them as FACT.
Climate change is real, and there’s the science to back it up. Obviously you’d sooner take the word of skeptical politicians than leading climatologists!
Can’t be bothered shooting down all your crap. You have your skepticism completely misplaced. I actually had a chuckle at your post though, so thanks for giving me a laugh after a long day.
October 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Here is my favorite comment here so far—
“The amazing Randi was a magician who debunked true frauds when alive. I don’t recall him ever trying to reinforce false arguments about political events. Sounds like his foundation has been taken over by limey intel operatives”
Hahahaha…..Not only is Randi alive and in attendance at both the London and Las Vegas TAM, but he is up front and personal about 9-11 truther bullshit.
Sorry, skeptics will debunk your nonsense no matter how much you want it to be true. Science doesn’t lie, but conspiracy theorists do. (unknowingly of course)
I admire the people on this sites lust for freedom and civil liberties….but their lack of critical thinking and evidence thresholds makes them clowns, muddying the discussions of real issues.
October 9th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Hi Brad ( aka Wanker!!!)
I take your point on Swine Flu / Bird Flu / HIV and associated deaths my point is that in each of these examples the goverments and shite media all still try to scrare us into believing the world wide epidemics that each will cause.huge amounts , biblical proportions etc etc….. ensuring that corrupt / bought goverments continue to feed us the fear to justify funding for vaccinations that are not required….. but hey!! guess what, the big pharma companies need profit and make sure that their bought politicians work on their behalf..
You also talk about ” no evidence ” on 9 11 (or it should be 11 9) facts… time to fall, Building 7 …. even members of the commission to investigate are raising questions on evidence now available……… At the time I was working in Ireland for a Large US multinational company as part of an Engineering construction team….. after the intial shock of what we were seeing through out that day…. a couple of my colleagues made remarks about the speed of the Collapse of the towers and their ” No Fucking Way” comments on viewing Building 7s collapse… ” That Building Has Been Brought Down” ……. these guys are experianced professional construction Engineers…….. from that point on and with the growing questions that have been raised along with 9 11 ( 11 9) FACT FINDERS…. NOT CONSPIRICY THEORISTS…. now provided, I cannot help but be convinced of the ” Inside Job”..
You can ridicule, snipe, laugh, if you wish….. In my profession I work with facts, calculations, engineering data, predictions, stresses, loads etc etc… and have done for 25 years…. succcessfully……. there is still no doubt in my mind and of many of my associates in our industry that those buildings were assisted in the downfall.
October 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am
The JREF and James Randi are very willing to accept conspiracies but they need actual verifiable proof. Extraordinary claims require at least compelling if not extraordinary proof. You might take a look at the JREF website at randi . org. You can go to their forum and find extraordinary evidence that many of the conspiracies touted on this website have serious problems that you will not see from only going to the conspiracy sites. James Randi and the people of the JREF actually encourage critical thinking but that is not anecdotal evidence and wild speculation that is often found at this website. Understand that there are different levels of evidence and in all things complicated there are anomalies. Try not to be like the anomaly mongering religious nuts finding problems with evolution and truly look at things with an open mind. I know that you think you are the open minded and everyone else are simply sheeple but maybe, just maybe you are wrong. Check out the forum at the JREF site with an open mind and you might just find the truth.
October 10th, 2009 at 6:55 am
I listen with interest to BBC radio in the forlorn hope thet they may one day cover the attack on Gaza. I’ts not such a hard word to pronounce, is it BBC?