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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
July 31, 2008
In the video here, taped at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, the Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh reveals how the neocons convened around Dick Cheney and brainstormed ways to kick off World War IV, as they fondly call their pet project to take out the Muslims and foment a contrived “clash of civilizations.”
According to Hersh, this meeting occurred after the neocons failed miserably to stage a rehashed version of the Gulf of Tonkin incident in the Strait of Hormuz, mostly because it is no longer 1964 and such Big Lies — thanks to the internet and bloggers — are far more difficult to float. “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there,” quipped LBJ about the imaginary act of North Vietnamese boats supposedly attacking U.S. ships, leading to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and undeclared war in Southeast Asia, ultimately resulting in the death of nearly 60,000 Americans and around 3 million Southeast Asians.
In an exclusive Think Progress story, we learn the meeting took place in Cheney’s office and the subject on the table was “how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,” part of an ongoing effort to provide an excuse to attack Iran. “There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war,” Hersh explains. “The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.”
Hersh would have us believe this scenario did not play out because “you can’t have Americans killing Americans,” an absurd explanation considering the fact the attacks of September 11 were just that — “Americans killing Americans,” a calculated and cold-blooded act of mass murder carried out by elements in the U.S. government as a “new Pearl Harbor,” a cynical pretext to launch the “war on terror,” now grinding into its seventh year.
Ominously, these “ideas” hark back to Operation Northwoods, the JSC plan to stage a false flag terror event — or a number of events — designed to provide a pretext to invade Cuba and take out Fidel Castro. Such “ideas” included “friendly Cubans” attacking the U.S. base at Guantanamo, shooting down a drone disguised as a chartered civil airliner and blaming it on Cuba, inciting riots and staging terror attacks in Miami, and other terrorist acts. Fortunately, then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, put a kibosh to this insane plan.
More recently, in January, 2003, in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion George Bush and Tony Blair discussed painting planes in United Nations colors “in order to provoke an attack which could then be used to justify material breach” and thus set in motion an invasion, according to Philippe Sands, a leading British human rights lawyer (see Revealed: Bush and Blair discussed using American Spyplane in UN colors to lure Saddam into war, Channel Four News).
In fact, the neocons have not rested in their effort to foment war and force the support of the American people by way of deception. On May 16, 2008, Paul Joseph Watson, writing for Prison Planet, noted confidential recordings released under the Freedom of Information Act revealing the efforts of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and top military analysts to cook up another terrorist attack on America in order to gain support for their ambitious plans to decimate Muslim culture. “The most extraordinary exchange takes place when Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans shrinking political support for Neo-Con war plans on Capitol Hill and suggests that sympathy for the Bush administration’s agenda will only be achieved after a new terror attack,” writes Watson. “Rumsfeld agrees that the psychological impact of 9/11 is wearing off and the ‘behavior pattern’ of citizens in both the U.S. and Europe suggests that they are unconcerned about the threat of terror.” Rumsfeld characterizes Bush as “a victim of success” because America has not suffered “an attack in five years” and for Rumsfeld and the neocons this state of affairs is indeed lamentable.
Obviously, the neocons will stop at nothing — including the murder of more Americans in a false flag terror attack — to realize their agenda.
Finally, Sy Hersh casts suspicion on himself during the interview when he admits he did not bother to write an article on the neocon casus belli brainstorming session because it did not go forward. “So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected — uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they’re mice training to be rats…. But the point is jejune, if you know what that means.” It was “jejune” because Hersh believes the “American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we’re into it.”
Of course, that may be true for some of the American public, even a large segment, but for those of us up to speed on the master plan of the neocons — total war, so the children of the neocons will “sing great songs about us years from now,” as Richard Perle once said — this comment stinks of irresponsibility. It avoids discussion of the criminal mindset of the neocons, who are determined to start WW IV, even if such a conflict leads to the distinct possibility the Prince of Darkness’ children may not be around to sing great songs.
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July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I like how Alex appeals to your guys’ lesser intellect by including “Pulitzer prize winner.” Like Pulitzer winners are immune to idiocy. But he knows you’ll swallow it because he said it.
The sad thing is, most of you (all?) are going to believe it just because the guy said it.
Carry on.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Ok;
if, when the U.S. Government killed 3,000 of its own citizens and thousands more in an illegal war, caused you guys only to flock (like sheep, BTW) to the internet; what’s it going to take to make you actually do something about the tyranny?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Why, thank you, fake Chuck, we will carry on!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Yes. Yes you will. And so will the American Government.
P.S.
Fake Chuck!? What, there’s only one guy can be named Chuck in the world?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Psssst…
I think you’re supposed to be ignoring me Steve. Leastwise that’s the general concensus…which everybody preaches but nobody practices…kind of like this whole revolution thing you guys find sexy and romantic but don’t have the courage to execute.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Chuck probably likes to sit with Thomas Richards and carry on with hating the truth…the truth hurts buckaroos…so suck it up face reality or should I state the biggest conspiracy theorists out there are the people like you that believe gov. lies just because there the gov. they certainly couldn’t lie, cheat, steal and plunder their way to the end goal a Luciferian controlled New world order…get off the train Chuck…rides over
IXOYE
July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
who said we believe everything he says? just most of it
July 31st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Truthers revolt? Not as long as there is weed available.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Chuck,
I want post this in a spot where you will see it. Unfortunately there is no guarantee you will read it and even less possibility that you will understand it.
This movement is far from dead. The people here may be frustrated but they have not given up the fight.
You apparently did not hear Jesse Ventura on the Howard Stern show. He may not be the most well spoken or the best at articulating the facts but people know that this is an honest man. This went out to an audience of millions and people are starting to hear the turning tide. This exposure brings people a bit closer to consciousness. Closer to seeing the bigger picture and stepping away from their ego driven nationalism and ignorance.
Why don’t we take this fight to the streets and march on the capitol and throw these criminals out in the streets? We are hoping that we will not have to resort to such means but there are enough of us willing to do just that. I think people are still a bit too comfortable but as they destroy our way of life there will be more people in a better position to move if need be. The right time is not here just yet. There is still much work needed to be done to educate the people that this type of action may be necessary.
Action of this magnitude is a last resort in the minds of good people. People do not want conflict and war and this is exactly what the people who are perpetrating these crimes rely upon. This is why the wolves kill and eat the sheep. We just want to live in peace. Without government we would not fight wars.
We will do what it will take if necessary but this war is a war of information. The people need to overcome their ignorance. They need to know who is pulling the strings so that when the time does come they will know to whom to point their gun. Knowledge will end these peoples ability to stage new events. This same knowledge will make it apparent that people are keeping a close watch on our elected officials.
This Neo-con agenda is on its last leg and they are pushing their powers to the limit… mostly to attempt to protect themselves from this wave of awareness.
People are going to get hurt in this war. Good people with families who simply want peace.
You want action? I’m calling for it.
Good people and patriots,
This war is not over. It is time to move on people’s ignorance. Please go to random blog spots. Go to myspace and facebook. Post something that people will read. Play dumb and pull people into discussion.
1.)”What’s this “911 truth”?” My good friend told me about this and I have never been so disturbed. Have any of you heard about this? I looked into this WTC 7 and it seems kind of strange. What do you think?
2.)”Did you hear about the Bush impeachment hearings? Why wasn’t this on the news?”
3.) “Did you hear Jesse Ventura on the Howard Stern show? What was he talking about? I have been looking into it and I think he made some good points.”
etc….
Create interaction and do not play “know it all” because we do not know it all. Get people to interact and convince them to want a new investigation. If they have nothing to hide then they should want to set this straight. Be subtle and people will be more accepting. You will encounter trolls but do not confront them and they will appear to be the hostile one. Ask them innocent questions as if you are looking for good answers and people will see their hatred of simple inquisition.
Go to work patriots! See you in the future of this country.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
you know what i love. that the “internet” is by far the best way for kids to do school work and learn new facts ……… but when it comes to things like this its like “o please you read that on the internet”. chuck please open your eyes and stop being such a hypocrit you may just waste an entire lifetime to that stupidity.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
You know, Chuck sure posts a lot on almost all the stories. He comes here and insults us all, so that leads me to believe if he’ll spend this much time doing this, that he is a troll plant who is FOR the NWO.
As for when and who will do something about the tyranny, it has already started. There are people who do things and no one knows. Lone Wolves. Now the time will come when people will group together and fight when the last straw is broken. Like if they try and take the guns. I suspect a major uprising with that. So Chuck, if you are not a troll, are YOU going to do someting about the tyranny? Will you fight for your country? If you are from here at all.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:28 pm
“who said we believe everything he says? just most of it”
Exactly! And most without ever leaving their computer chair.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Insults you? I’m just curious, Waterlilies, why, if you believe the U.S. Governement killed 3,000 of its own citizens and is now trying to enslave and kill you et. al., the only thing you do about it is type on message boards…if it’s that serious and immediate. Also I wonder greatly why you guys continue to work for them and give them a significant portion of your income.
That sounds like a pretty logical inquiry, don’t you think Waterlilies?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
“Why don’t we take this fight to the streets and march on the capitol and throw these criminals out in the streets? We are hoping that we will not have to resort to such means but there are enough of us willing to do just that.”
Bullshit. If killing 3,000 of there own citzens won’t do it for you 7 years later…7 years!!…what will do it JJ? Taking away your television, computer and cell phone? Hell fucking yeah! You guys’ll be rioting within minutes.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
All, I’d suggest it would be best to ignore the fake Chuck’s ad hominem insults, childishly petty provocations and insane assertions that liberation from thuggery requires piling on even more thuggery.
I do have a question for ya’ll: given the relentless post-9/11 scrutiny of Neoconmen on the part of millions of patriots, do you think the deployment of another 9/11 false-flag op was strategically blocked? That by our diligence 9/11 was turned into a one-trick pony for the Neoconmen and their allies? That because of citizen vigilance, other planned ops were cancelled, and in fact lives were spared?
It is hard to prove, or claim credit for, something that did NOT happen, but still, it is a valid point to reckon citizen resistance played a role in forestalling another false-flag operation.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V5iCUBEUx4
If you allow it, it will happen-
GS
July 31st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
“Action of this magnitude is a last resort in the minds of good people.”
Last resort!!?? WTF!!?? THEY KILLED 3,000 OF YOU, JJ, AND ARE PLANNING TO KILL AND/OR ENSLAVE YOU!! Jesus fucking Christ JJ, what “last resort”, exactly, are you waiting for? What a fucking cowardly cop-out.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
trying2awaken;
Stupid people like you lack standing to call others stupid. Reading both our posts, I think you probably know which conclution most honest people would reach (though they probably won’t want to admit it).
Anyway, you don’t have to apologize to me for believe something Alex says or you read on the internet…even though you’ve never left your computer chair. I understand (though deride) the mentality.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
“All, I’d suggest it would be best to ignore the fake Chuck’s ad hominem insults,”
MWUAHAHAHAHAHAH
You can’t do it Publius! You paradoxically prove that yourself with this very post. People here are just not have the intellectual fortitude or discipline to ignore me. You couldn’t even do it yourself.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
i do not mean to be rude or insulting to anyone on this blog, but there is something you all should know even though you might disagree with it.
these devils in human form the jewish zionazi,s will cause a third war to happen where nearly a billion people will die in the muslims alone.
The prophet mohammed stated in a prophecy that the christian nations will stand under 80 banners of 12000 soldiers each and invade muslim lands, which makes it 9 million 600 thousand soldiers. they will break all peace agreements with the muslims which they had signed before and betray their pledges.
one third of the muslims will die in this war, one third will die in a natural catastrophe, the remaining one third will win victory granted by god to the believers.
he also stated that the christian armies will be mostly made up of illegitimate children, whom the bible says will not enter the congregation of the lord till the 10th generation.
whatever the prophet has stated in his life has always come true, who and what evil in human form wants all this bloodshed on the human race?
all genuine jews ,christians,muslims and other faiths can live in peace and security!
we as believers in the one lord need to highlight the humanity of man,and our responsibility to each other as gods creation.
ALLAH has stated in the koran clearly, THAT ALL GOODNESSS TO HIS CREATION IS FROM YOUR LORD, THE EVIL IS FROM YOUR OWN SOULS”
is there a way to stop this madness taking shape to foil the devils in human form and their evil plans for the human race!
what pretext will they use to fool the christian world into war?
i am happy in the belief that the aggressors will not be muslims at least.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
“insane assertions that liberation from thuggery requires piling on even more thuggery.”
What it obviously takes is for you to post on message boards. The founding fathers would be shamed of you!
July 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
“insane assertions that liberation from thuggery requires piling on even more thuggery.”
Another cowardly excuse for apathy and inaction.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Chuck, we tend to believe it because it fits a pattern, this is how these guys operate. Plus, we’ve heard from many sources that the CIA has been working inside Iran with the Mujahadeen, a terrorist organization, to cause problems and create turmoil.
If this had happened, people would be calling us conspiracy theorist for considering the possibilty that it was a false flag attack.
Did Seymor ask if there was any press there before he started talking about this? He looked around the room and said something before he went into it.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
The Revolution set us free, the Civil War defined us. What would it take now to turned this nation into a non-warring threat to the entire world?
July 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
When this happens to go down… I’ll be ready. One man will not make a difference. My team is ready.
Did you ever think that they want an armed revolt? They are prepared. They would love to attempt to put us under martial law. We must first win the minds if we ever hope to win the war. This is not a cop out…. It’s reality.
A failed attempt at revolt will end this country quicker than any other event. If we have an informed public their theater will erode quicker than they could attempt to create it.
Knowledge is power that they can not overcome with lies.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
The wise book some call Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth…states in Revelation 18 that Babylon (prophecy for U.S.) will fall the great pagan (pluralistic society) economy will fall in one hour…that hour is rapidly approaching…has anyone been paying attention to the world economy…it is failing and that economic failure is directly related to the Federal Reserve bank…once the house of cards fall the entire global economy goes to…out of WWIII Albert Pike stated that a One World dictatorship would arise, I have a news flash for Mr. Pike, you don’t win…let me repeat they the NWO does not win……IXOYE
July 31st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
“There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war”, Hersh explains…
These guys actually have to attend brainstorming sessions in secret to come up with ways to create new wars? Give me a break. They are so caught up in their rule-the-world shenanigans that they forgot the answer is right in front of them…I mean in front of us: AMERICAN IDOL, THE SIMPSONS, DANCING WITH THE STARS, etc… Did they forget that the most effective and efficient means has been working (miraculously well) for as long as since the sheeple finally realized what their thumbs and forefingers truly were meant to be used for: flicking on the tube so to divert the populations away from the grand “scheme” of things. You already know this Mr. Hersh, who are you trying to fool?
July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Sorry About The Link,
http://www.hismailroom.com
July 31st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
““sing great songs about us years from now,” as Richard Perle once said”
I thought it was (another) neocon Micheal Ledeen..
http://www.historycommons.org/.....ael_ledeen
July 31st, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Mangetout and chuck must be gods……..that is the only conclussion I can come to……How can these little abortion-survivors, call out the entire message board for postings their opinions, when they have more posts between them than everyone else? It is easy to be a tough guy on the net, huh guys? If you are sooooo sick of “internet patriots”, posting about the crimes, and trying to inform other people to the attrocities of the world government, (simple solution) stop coming to these threads and trying to bait people (people that are sincerly trying to help and inform) into these irrealevant squables…..get a job, or get off the computer and do your fucking job……i havnt laughed out loud like this in a long time….If someone new to the discussion were to read this whole thread, it is good for a real hard laugh…….these two guys are just trolls…..non-sensical deductions
July 31st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
The point Seymour Hersh makes is that a high-level planner flanked by Dick Cheney et al. was perfectly comfortable advancing a game plan to kick-start a global war that would involve one set of Americans murdering another set of Americans in a false flag operation with no consequences (for the adviser to painted the scenario) to speak of!…
July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Hey Chuck, how much money do they give to you when you post your bullshit ideas here?
No 9/11 truther will be deceived by you.
Change your tactic or tell your boss that you are not smart enough to damage 911 truth movement and quit your job.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:59 pm
in refrence to Mark….
that site is blasphemous, it’s crazy,it twists up the truth just as bad as the muslims do,and the catholics,if you beleive the bible and read it than how could you beleive the garbage on that site,also a “woman” in prophecy refers to a church,not a person…hope you do well with this information
July 31st, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Hey copycat, how much money do you give to the evil government for work YOU do. No, I will not deceive any truther…Alex Jones has already done such a thorough job; I’d be deceiving myself if I could outdo his brainwashing.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Nonsensical deductions, huh kenny? You fear for your life and liberty; they’ve already killed 3,000 of your citizens..and suggesting you do something about it is “nonsensical deduction?” You must be a product of government education. You work for a master and support the criminal government by givning them a portion of your income. That is passive complicity.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Who’s your daddy?
Revelation 12:9 — The devil or Satan is the deceiver of the whole world.
John 8:44 — He is a liar and the father of liars. There is no truth in him. He must lie and deceive to get a following.
Gen. 3:1-5,13 — The serpent was subtle and lied to Eve — beguiled (deceived) her. Had Eve understood God’s real love and the real consequences of obeying Satan, she would not have done it. Satan denied the consequences and made evil appear to be good.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 — This is standard procedure for Satan. He transforms himself into an angel of light. Satan is the world’s greatest counterfeiter.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 — False teachers do not appear as false teachers or no one would believe them. They are “deceitful workers” who appear as ministers of righteousness.
Because the gathering of the saints is part of the Day of the Lord, we could substitute the phrase “our gathering together unto him” for the word “day” in verse 2:
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that [the time of our gathering together unto him] has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction (2 Thess. 2).
July 31st, 2008 at 8:02 pm
For those that believe…
Remember “God works ALL things according to the council of HIS OWN will” and “all is of God” I think we’ve forgotten who is REALLY in charge here. The world at large has been duped by the deciever, the father of lies. He’s doing what he was created to do…decieve.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Chuck,
Yes,there is only one guy who should be name Chuck in the world,and his name is Chuck Norris,and he should kick your ass.I mean really,has anyone ever met a Chuck they liked?
I’d bet you’re an asshole Chuck.
To any other Chuck’s,who aren’t assholes,I didnt mean you.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Why does the information that surfaces today not trigger whole-house investigations? Is everyone that is in a position of authority sold out tho the NWO? You would think that there would be one good man in the ranks somewhere, somehow, someway. Its time to call off the dog and pony show! Why do we bicker about the scenes of this play? Are there really so many evil men out there? Just maybe we are battling spirits and principalities. Please don’t let the next scene plunge us into the depths of bickering. Let our minds focus on the big picture, and work together. Our enemy is flexing muscles and it will take us all to wake up everyone. Remember, the enemy we face now is the enemy we have faced forever! All generations of of man since Adam. We cant do it alone! Oh, and remember GOD wins! Pick the side you want to be on. Satan’s children, his actual genetic off-spring are trying to wipe us and our freedom out. His angels and his children are HERE! WAKE UP! The children of Satan can smile, cry, bleed, and die just like us, but they will burn forever. You see, they have to make the best of their stay while they are here because they are screwed. The promise, the covenant is made with Israel not those that are pretending to be Israel. The tares are POSERS!
July 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
On September 11, 1990 at 9:11pm, HW Bush gave the following speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g
Eleven years later, we all know what happened. Well, at least what we are/were told.
These criminals constantly use dates to play with us. They constantly use the same symbols in the logos of the companies they run. All this does is tell us who is responsible and who pulled off these events. They own all the major newspapers in this country and almost all of the television/cable networks.
The next date you are going to have to watch is 8/8/08. An event will occur that day. The beginning of the Olympics in Beijing. Something terrible will occur at that event. Something that will not be evident right away, but will be very clear by the end of August. You have to be ready by 8/16/08 (lunar eclipse). If you are not, you will have very little chance of surviving what’s coming. By 9/11/08, the sovereignty of our once great nation will have ended. Our infrastructure will collapse and martial law will be declared on or around that date. Life as you know it now will be gone forever. So good luck. You will all need it.
This is a psychic as well as a physical war. You must be ready for anything. Mentally and physically. To survive the next year, you will go through hell and back.
Oh, and if you don’t believe me, I don’t know what to tell you. So if you have anything derogatory or cliche to say, waste your own time as you see fit. I will not respond. You don’t have much time left. Use your life essence to meditate on this subject. You will see the truth in it.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
“Something terrible will occur at that event. Something that will not be evident right away, but will be very clear by the end of August. You have to be ready by 8/16/08 (lunar eclipse). If you are not, you will have very little chance of surviving what’s coming. By 9/11/08, the sovereignty of our once great nation will have ended.”
Oh yeah, wise guy? Where’s your evidence? Methinks you’re using these dates just because of the repeating numbers (8/08/08, 9/11) to instill some paranoia. Get real.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Hey Chuck, keep posting your bullshit ideas here.
I’ve got news for you.
No matter how hard you try to damage 9/11 truth movement, you will not succeed.
Isn’t it time your boss realized that you are not smart enough to damage 9/11 truth movement?
July 31st, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Wow, the government lying again. Anyone surprised? Those of us who are not so full of patriotic brainwashing still remember the lies this country was founded on and the ultimate real estate scam ever stealing all the land from the Native Americans. These people that rule our country do so for their own financial benefit and nothing more. The truth is what it is. As for the next presidents, people, do you really think one person will make all the difference in the world with your life. They are merely a piece in the puzzle. No I don’t trust the government, yes I believe in the American people, yes I believe all that we are fighting over is oil.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Of course I won’t succeed copycat, it has fail…miserably…of its own accord.
LMFAO
Keep giving your income, copycat, to a government you think is trying to kill/enslave you after already killing 3,000. That’s really genius.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Yo, Neo Bagration,
That’s deep man. The eight does have significance to the Chinese. It’s a luck number. You know, I was going to write disagreeing with you but the more I think about numerology the more I think you might be on to something.
Still though, I don’t think it will ever get that bad. I think they are leaning towards the “Brave New World” kind of control rather than a “1984″ approach.
Who knows though. I don’t put anything past them anymore.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Thanks guys. I always get a good laugh when I read the comments on this site and you’ve not let me down.
One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest seems to be a documentary about sanity compared to this place.
Keep it up.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm
It’s worth pointing out for the young people visiting this site that Seymour Hersh isn’t just your average journalist. He is thought of very highly among intellectuals and is probably on the short list of the most influential and respected journalists of our time. The fact that his remarks aren’t the top story on every newscast from coast to coast is simply amazing. Further proof(as if we need it) of total media complicity in the ongoing march toward fascism.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
This Mass Murderer & Treasonous SOB, has the one missing N|| & in my opinion he has 2??, & with the delegated Power he has, & his past willingness t5o use, them in 2007, & his 911, performance, running the show. WHY, would this Evil,man hesitate, to use the missing N|| on America. Alex i have a very bad feeling about this senerio, & have seen some data, then it was immediately taken down, this concearns me greatly. If you’d like, feel free to contact me, directly on skype. MJ Please, who-ever gets this data, it’s Urgent you don’t bury this information, you must let Alex view the material & information, this is not in anyway, a way to a attempt to market anything, or for me to talk to Alex, I’ve posted many many times, & had all the glory i wish, this is about possibly saving lives, Period. Please, read: below, Alex, you i know this data also, but, the dots even til, today, are not connected, except by a very very few, but this Nut Case, has the Missing N?? VP>DC Link: http://www.oregontruthalliance.org/node/111
B-52 Nuclear Weapons Incident
This is a collection of resources, news and analysis about the shocking, virtually uncovered or covered up story of a B-52 armed with 5 or 6 nuclear cruise missiles overflying the US on August 30, 2007. The original story broke in the Military Times and was reported by the Associated Press on 9/5/07. The overflight, the cover up, and the unaccounted for sixth weapon are the subject of intense investigation and scrutiny for independent journalists not controlled by the mainstream global corporate propaganda networks. However, the controlled corporate news coverage, such little as there is, is included here for reference. Alex, this is the dots: Dick Cheney & Vigilant Shield: Will a Missing Nuke from the B-52 Incident be used in a Simulated Terrorist Attack?
http://www.oregontruthalliance.org/node/314
Dick Cheney & Vigilant Shield: Will a Missing Nuke from the B-52 Incident be used in a Simulated Terrorist Attack?
by Michael Salla, Ph.D.
October 13, 2007
What makes the B-52 incident even more disturbing is that six nuclear cruise missiles left Minot Air Force Base, and the initial Military Times report on September 5 reported that five nuclear warheads were discovered at Barksdale Air Force Base. This was subsequently revised by the Military Times to six in an updated story five days later on September 10. How could the Air Force mix up how many nuclear weapons were initially involved in the incident? The most plausible explanation is that there had been a discrepancy in the number of nuclear weapons that had left Minot and what had been later discovered at Barksdale? The nuclear armed B-52 had been sitting on the tarmac in an unsecured military environment for up to 10 hours before its nuclear payload was discovered. This offered plenty of time for the removal of one of the nuclear weapons. Such an event had to be covered up for national security purposes which is why the Military Times revised its initial report. The possibility of a missing nuclear weapon is augmented by an unprecedented official standown by the Air Force on September 14 where all planes were grounded allegedly to review Standard Operating Procedures. Was the Air Force really conducting an emergency inventory to locate any missing nuclear weapons?
This raises the disturbing possibility that not only was the B-52 ordered to participate in a covert mission to attack Iran outside the regular chain of military command, but that one of its nuclear weapons was secretly siphoned off for another covert mission. If Dick Cheney did give the order for the nuclear weapons to be loaded on to the B-52, it is highly likely that he is aware of the location and potential use of the missing nuclear missile. A number of serious questions therefore need to be asked about the appropriateness of Cheney being in charge of TOPOFF 4 and Vigilant Shield. This is even more urgent if there is a missing nuclear warhead that was taken from the B-52 for a yet undisclosed mission. Could this mission be related to the TOPOFF and Vigilant Shield exercises?
(PLEASE PAY ATTENTION & GET THIS DATA TO ALEX JONES ASAP)
The possible use of the B-52 missing nuclear weapon could trigger the martial law scenario found in National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD) 51 after the declaration of a “Catastrophic Emergency.” NSPD 51 defines a “Catastrophic Emergency” as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.” Once declaring such an emergency, President Bush or his successors according to Continuity of Government provisions, can take over all governmental functions at local, state and national levels, as well as private sector activities, to ensure the U.S. emerges from the emergency with an “enduring constitutional government.”
So far, the Air Force inquiry is classified and information on a possible missing nuclear weapon has not been disclosed. It is unlikely that much information will be disclosed to the public for national security reasons. The only U.S. Congressman calling for an official public inquiry into the B-52 incident is Dennis Kucinich. As long as the role of Dick Cheney in the B-52 incident is not investigated and the missing nuclear weapon is not located, Cheney should be removed from any position of authority in coordinating civil and military responses to any simulated terrorist attack. Such exercises provide him the opportunity and authority to secretly approve the covert use of a nuclear device that can be used to trigger a declaration of a “Catastrophic Emergency.” U.S. National Security is not served by Dick Cheney having a prominent role in leading TOPOFF 4, Vigilant Shield and any future simulated terrorist attacks involving weapons of mass destruction. New York & Seattle, 8-8-08 maybe nothing but maybe everything:
July 31st, 2008 at 10:30 pm
This guy needs to get WAC ed
July 31st, 2008 at 10:42 pm
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident WAS NOT the first time that the US government and the US military staged a false flag attack on US troops and citizens to create an excuse to launch an aggressive war.
In 1898 the US Navy blew up its own battleship, the Maine, in Havana Harbor, killing 266 US sailors, and providing an excuse for the USA to declare War against Spain. During the Spanish-American War the USA took Cuba, the Philppines, Puerto Rico and Guam away from Spain. I’m sure that the White House, the War Department, and the Office of Naval Intelligence thought that it was a great bargain to sacrifice a battleship to gain three countries plus Guam as new US Territories.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Hey Chuck, if you really believe 9/11 truth movement has failed, then why are you still trying to insult failed (in your terms) 9/11 truthers?
You are doing this because you do know that the movement has not failed. You had contradicted yourself and that is called an act of stupidity.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:13 pm
The current war in Iraq is a redux of the Spanish/American War.
“The U.S. War Department had possessed contingency plans for war with Spain for years. Future President Theodore Roosevelt had a lot of enthusiasm for the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) as assistant secretary of the Navy in 1897-98. The ONI, like Roosevelt, was committed to the construction of a great U.S. battle fleet to dominate to Western Hemisphere and project American power into the world beyond. Roosevelt wrote in December 1897, “The Chief of the Office of Naval Intelligence has got to be the man on whom we rely for initiating strategic work.” ONI, with Roosevelt’s active support, performed what he called “invaluable work … in formulating and preparing plans of action for the war with Spain.”13
The Kimball Plan, completed by ONI in June 1897, called for naval blockades of Cuba and Manila, both prominent features of American strategy when war began in April 1898. It, although modified extensively prior to and during the war, served as the military’s main plan during the conflict.”
http://www.humboldt.edu/~jcb10/spanwar.shtml
During the Spanish/American War, US nespapers and magazines competed with each other to make up lies and propaganda.
“The rising circulation rates of the Journal and other New York newspapers during this period of “jingoism” show that the drama made money, and the competition was too tight to throw the money away. Many papers lowered standards so much that they routinely carried news items directly off the pages of their rivals. Hearst, for example, caught Pulitzer’s World in the act during the conflict that was to come. An article appeared in the Journal in July 1898 describing the death of Colonel Reflipe W. Thenuz, whose name was an anagram of the phrase, “We pilfer the news.” The next day, Pulitzer’s paper carried the item, being bold enough to add specific dateline information to make the story appear authentic. The Journal celebrated the gaffe for over a month while the World maintained a “pained silence” on its blunder.”
After easily defeating the Spanish in the Philippines, the US military occupied the Philippines and denied Independence to the Philippinos. In the ensuing Philippine/American War, which lasted for 14 years, 125,000 US troops were stationed in the Philippines, and the US troops committed many atrocities against the civilian population, including the massacre of entire villages. In the Philippino/American War, more than 4,000 US troops died, and between 200,000 and one million Philippinos died.
My point is that false flag attacks, total media propaganda, and aggressive, genocidal war are US traditions going back more than 100 years. You cannot blame the Bush Administration alone or the Republicans alone for the current US fascism, which goes back more than 100 years and pervades the US government, both major political Parties, the military, the intelligence agencies, and the mass media. The fascists have total control of this country and they have has it for MORE THAN 100 years. You cannot remove fascism from the US government by the peaceful political process; the corruption is FAR too deep for that to work.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Download MP3s of Dr Judy Wood’s New Radio Interviews on Hurricane Erin on 9/11.
Erin was a controlled environment. Check the wind speed and pressure during the 9/11 “attack events” and see how controlled it really was:
http://drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin9.html
New Radio Interviews Here:
http://drjudywood.com/#news
July 31st, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Quit being stupid copycat. Continue to work for your masters and give them your income.
LMFAO
August 1st, 2008 at 1:37 am
Hey Copycat/Chuck the only person you are fooling is yourself
But you are correct about 9/11 being an inside job
August 1st, 2008 at 1:45 am
Concearned; I have read your entire post on the B-52 incident. Ever since this incident took place, I have wondered what was going to come of it. The media only did a blurb on this and then the entire issue went underground and was never heard of again. I think anything is plausible today given the state of facist affairs we are now living under since 9/11. I do remember that the same day or maybe it was a day after, Bin laden showed-up on our tv sets. I thought it was a swerve. This is why I call Bin Laden “Bib-in-a-box”. When something of epic proportions seem to make it to the airwaves, he tends to pop right up onto our tv sets. when Bin Laden did appear on our sets, he was talking about our economy and mortgage crisis! Let me tell you, I no longer believe in the boogey man that the nazi government is trying to shove down my throat.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:52 am
Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will be at least one, usually several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it.
“Mahatma Ghandi’s ghost throttled Hendrix”
“Saddam Hussein was breeding an army of genetically modified Yeti”.
“Hitler was half Werewolf”
“Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone” etc, etc.
The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.
So it’s hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.
One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they “hate our freedoms.”
Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.
Normally I don’t even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories.
These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught unaware by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able to. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks - which remains uninvestigated, the complicit behaviour of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours , crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.
The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more stupid stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus it has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions.
It’s difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task which I take on in this article. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked.
As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed.
Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog, they then re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more.
This technique is known as “the fruit loop” and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see any of their ideas through to their (il)logical conclusions.
According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, 19 Arabs took over the 4 planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns, knives ,box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.
The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist.
For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren’t any Arabs on the planes.
If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists.
But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist.
With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID ( but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities), they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious.
However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ?
And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage. “Excuse me sir, why do you have a box cutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?” “A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get.” “Very strange”, thinks the security officer. “That’s the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or box cutter and gas mask.
And why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess…”
Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time, the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis.
They will point to the fact that the hijackers passports were allegedly found at the crash scenes. “So there!” they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.
Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated, and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently “Who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!” And so the whole loop starts again. “Well, why aren’t they on the passenger lists?” “You numbskull ! They assumed the identities of other passengers!”
And so on… Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion, the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unravelling of this marvellously stupid story.
“Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? ” The answer of course is that its just one of those strange co-incidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen…
This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The “improbability drive”, in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to suggest it, and then speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to try to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens (just about all the time in their world).
There is a principle called “Occam’s razor” which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.
Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with the silly story of the 19 invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.
Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do.
Hijacking it without the crew being able to alert Air Traffic Control (ATC ) is almost impossible.
The crew needs only to punch in a four digit code to alert ATC to a hijacking.
Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the crude method of threatening people with box cutters and knives, shooting and stabbing passengers to try to lure the crew out of the cockpit and spraying gas (after they had attached their masks, obviously).
And yet, miraculously they were able to take control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four.
At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive.
So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah.
Apart from their psychotic hatred of “our freedoms”, it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will for this dreadful deed.
Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar -really impeccable Islamic behaviour - and then got up at 5am the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history.
This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find. It gets better.
Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skilfully guided them to their doom.
If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist, too trapped in the constant rotation of the fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi- believable.
Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there’s nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that for a plane to instantly blow itself up into nothing like that, it would have to be packed with explosives.
Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash. But lets humour the conspiracy theorists and suppose that this crude cartoon designed to hide whatever really hit the building was actually a real plane.
Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vaporising the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along. There weren’t any explosives. It wasn’t an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable! Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically kerosene, and usually burns at about 400c has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vaporizing 70 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke.
Never mind that a plane of that size contains around 23 tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about four times that of the normal combustion temperature of kerosene. And forget about the boiling point of these metals, which is what would be required to vaporize a plane.
And then there’s about 47 tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of kerosene. For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as “mumbo jumbo”.
This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of kerosene, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute.
Determinedly ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vaporised into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins. “Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact!” they state with pompous certainty. “Watch any Bruce Willis movie!” “Care to provide any documented examples? If it’s a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies?”
At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner into which they have backed themselves and plan their escape by means of another stunning back flip.
“Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there’s no way of telling.” they counter with a sly grin. “Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vaporised into nothing.” “But not big planes, with that much fuel ! “, they shriek in hysterical denial. “Or that much metal to vaporise. “ “Yes, but not hijacked planes !” “Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?” “Now you’re just being silly”.
Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground, or have bombs planted aboard them, and don’t vaporise into nothing. What’s so special about hitting a building? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. “Its a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact.”
Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a “well known fact” and that “its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to”, the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves (if not too many other people) that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vaporisation of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention.
Round and round the fruit loop… But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even creative more uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of kerosene.
They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant vertical collapse of both the WTC towers as well as building 7, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning kerosene.
This makes it necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose kerosene which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy.
You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vaporising a 70 ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000C for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper’s steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts starting fires all through the building.
When I was at school there a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn’t make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Their insane eyes glinting madly, they claim that a few thousand gallons of kerosene is enough to : completely vaporise a 70 ton aircraft : have enough left over to burn so ferociously for over an hour at the impact point that it melted massive steel construction beams ( melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel ). : still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building.
Kerosene really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those kerosene heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vaporised. And never again will I take kerosene lamps out camping.
One moment you’re there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vaporised into nothing - along with the rest of the camp site - with still enough of the deadly stuff left to start a massive forest fire.
These whackos are actually claiming that the mythical raging inferno allegedly created by this miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning kerosene melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the smoke coming from the WTC was black, which indicates an oxygen starved fire -therefore not particularly hot, they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 C , without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.
Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel girders softened they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.
Since they’re already re-engineered the combustion qualities of kerosene, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and re-invented the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way? All three buildings fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors.
But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knows no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the towers at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures, originally designed to withstand many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a large passenger jet straying off course.
Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why. “Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir” “No miss, the kerosene heater blew up and vaporised everything in the street, except for my passport.” “You see sir, the school bus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms.” Or perhaps they misunderstood the term “creative science” and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.
The ferocious heat generated by the ghastly kerosene was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can’t be identified. DNA is destroyed by such heat.
This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city. That’s right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vaporise a 70 ton aircraft.
You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane.
The plane was vaporised by the fuel tank explosion, maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.
So there you have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you’re in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you’re trying to sell at any particular time.
This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space in between of lower building height. Each ring of building is about 30 to 35 ft deep, with a similar depth of lower level space between the rings.
The missile which the Bush regime fired into it, went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat hole less than 20 ft wide, less than 20 ft high through three rings-about 250 ft into the building A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide collapsed in the outer ring.
Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft , and a tail height of 40 ft, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible. But hey, we’ve already disregarded the combustion qualities of kerosene, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity, the second law of thermodynamics, and invented imaginary properties for building materials, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well?
I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy nut, this is “mumbo jumbo”.
It conflicts with their mad delusion, so it must be wrong although trying to get then to explain the specifics of how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour. Conspiracy nuts fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned.
They shriek that the plane was vaporised by it’s exploding fuel load and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behaviour. (Fruit loop warning!!)
Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly back flip to explain the 250 ft deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building (even though the building shows no sign of such damage).
As for what happened to the wings - here’s where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.
When it suits them they’ll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly, (ignoring the undamaged lawn) while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from above. How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.
Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.
As the nation gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and prevent his endless war, it’s not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.
At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery which was perpetrated on Sept 11, and the subsequent war crimes committed in “retaliation” are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.
Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia. It’s time to stop the loony neo con official conspiracy theory involving 19 Arabs - most of whom were from Saudi Arabia and of whom many have since turned up alive and well - armed with box cutters bringing a world superpower to her knees.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:02 am
Its Unbelievable that people are starting to come out and just say exactly what they are doing. The vast majority of people will do nothing! even when they are being lined up for the gas chamber they will go along with it.
http://www.speedy-specs.co.uk
August 1st, 2008 at 2:24 am
Yeah from what I know about physics, the way the WTC buildings fell and the eyewitness testimony, I would say 9/11 had to be an inside job. But wow Ken, your on your way towards a doctoral dissertation here… watch those late visits to Starbucks man hehe… keep it up bro =)
August 1st, 2008 at 2:50 am
Anthrax Scientist Commits Suicide As FBI Closes In
WASHINGTON (AP) ― A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.
The scientist, Bruce E. Ivins, 62, who worked for the past 18 years at the government’s biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., had been told about the impending prosecution, the Los Angeles Times reported for Friday editions. The laboratory has been at the center of the FBI’s investigation of the anthrax attacks, which killed five people.
Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick (Md.) Memorial Hospital. The Times, quoting an unidentified colleague, said the scientist had taken a massive dose of a prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine.
Tom Ivins, a brother of the scientist, told The Associated Press that another of his brothers, Charles, told him Bruce had committed suicide.
A woman who answered the phone at Charles Ivins’ home in Etowah, N.C., refused to wake him and declined to comment on his death. “This is a grieving time,” she said.
A woman who answered the phone at Bruce Ivins’ home in Frederick declined to comment.
Justice Department spokesman Peter Carr and FBI Assistant Director John Miller declined to comment on the report.
Henry S. Heine, a scientist who had worked with Ivins on inhalation anthrax research at Fort Detrick, said he and others on their team have testified before a federal grand jury in Washington that has been investigating the anthrax mailings for more than a year.
Heine declined to comment on Ivins’ death.
Norman Covert, a retired Fort Detrick spokesman who served with Ivins on an animal-care and protocol committee, said Ivins was “a very intent guy” at their meetings.
Ivins was the co-author of numerous anthrax studies, including one on a treatment for inhalation anthrax published in the July 7 issue of the journal Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:18 am
You must feel sorry for “Chuck” - he’s a trained monkey working for peanuts and a daily banana. And by the way - so is his siamese-twin brother “Mangetout”.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:06 am
Stalin, is that you?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:25 am
Ken in Dublin; you’re stupid.
manbearpig; quit giving your income to the criminal U.S. government whilst claiming they are evil killers. How fucking stupid is that dude. Think about that. Really, really think about that.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:58 am
i know chuck i have read a few of his post on here, i thoroughly enjoyed the one he posted about a weaponized virus.
deepred i think called him on it even tried to reason with him, imo. that was the post that people woke up to chuck.
@ chuck, do you not pay taxes.
how did deepred refer to him? oh yeah chucky baby! hey chucky baby don’t you pay taxes.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:43 am
Anyone made the connection that the dickless “CHUCK” who posts here all the time is also the name of the NBC show which glamorizes a CIA agent of the same name??? Interesting coincidence.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:43 am
Ken in Dublin, I am not fooling anyone here. You may think I am Chuck. I am not Chuck. I believe Chuck is another brainwashed one working for NWO and we can just bore Chuck silly by not responding to his dumb comments from now on.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:58 am
Is it just me, or is Ted (Red-Neck) Nugent the most Right-Wing, stupid prat, ever? I would just love to slap him in the mush (face) with a big, wet, fish! It’s all very well for rich, white, bigots like him to demean people on Welfare,he’s obviously a moron whos’ motto is–”I’m all right, Jack, F..K you”. Some of us don’t have choices in life about which mansion to spend this Summer/Winter in and rely on Social Security to buy bread. He is the reason you’ve got the America you now have. Don’t try to blame us Communists-this is all your own making. It’s a matter of self-destruction by Capitalism. Greed/Bigotery-not a good look.
August 1st, 2008 at 6:31 am
Ken in Dublin:
I didn’t know that the Arabs were in League with the Martians. It makes sense when you consider that they both live in similar desert environments. Well, that explains why there’s always some huge space rockets parked next to every mosque. It also explains why NASA wants to send a manned mission to Mars.
Personally, I resent my tax dollars going to support Cristian missionaries on Mars or anywhere else, although if I could choose to send Christian missionaries anywhere, it would definitely be Mars.
Do you think that there might be oil on Mars?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:15 am
Just another day at the Animal Farm.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 am
IV = 4
WW VI???
Did they skip the third to achieve their goals faster?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:29 am
“Chuck” wrote:
“quit giving your income to the criminal U.S. government whilst claiming they are evil killers…”
What makes you think I pay taxes to the US?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:35 am
“When our credit’s been exhausted to subdue the Middle East,
They’ll install our debtor nation in the body of The Beast.
Traitor…Dare call it treason.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5dP5gy2Vs
August 1st, 2008 at 8:21 am
AnonCon; The ones that call the Middle East struggle WW4 refer to the Cold War as being WW3. And if you consider the Crusades…and the Colonization of the Americas…this is more like WW7.
Besides, weren’t we always at war with Eurasia?
This is getting double-plus-ungood folks…
August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 am
Ken In Dublin
great post, thanks.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am
HEY VAL COMMIE PIG
NUGENT EARNED HIS RIGHT TO SPEAK HIS MIND.
I DONT SEE ANYONE BUT YOU CONDEMNING HIM.
YOU JUST WANT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD TO BE A LAZY SISSY PISS ANT LIKE YOU.
GOD BLESS AMERICA, WHERE YOU ADVANCE BASED UPON YOUR MERIT AND EFFORT. UNLIKE THE COMMIE SLAVES WHO TAKE FROM OTHERS WHO EARNED IT AND GIVES IT TO THOSE WHO DONT.
NOT 1 PERSON ON THIS SITE AGREES WITH YOU.
YOU ARE A COMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT AND YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH HERE
COMMUNISTS DONT HAVE RIGHTS.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:01 am
how about getting Ron Paul to read this Sy Hersh false flag transcript on the house floor? surely Ron Paul would be outraged and certainly do this..
August 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
how about getting Ron Paul to read this Sy Hersh false flag transcript on the house floor? surely Ron Paul would be outraged and certainly do this..at the least it would be on C-span and picked up by viewers and hopefully other media outlets?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Fact - Iran will not attack Israel or United States, they never have. Yet Israel and the USA both have been caught numerous times comitting unprovoked acts of war, and if need be comitting false flag operations to ensure a conflict results. We all know this to be true. What we can do is keep spreading the truth. We can stop this hoodwinking, if we become informed and inform others.
Like Martin Luther King once said…
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity”
August 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am
how about getting Ron Paul to read this Sy Hersh false flag transcript on the house floor? surely Ron Paul would be outraged and certainly do this..at the least it would be on C-span and picked up by viewers and hopefully other media outlets? we need to get this to Ron Paul..he is the highest upper in government who will do something about it!
August 1st, 2008 at 10:22 am
I am sure Dr. Paul would jump at the opportunity to lend his name to such a factual story such as this. The facts of this are obviously undeniable and Dr. Paul would surely gain additional credibility.
I am curious, if Cheney is the demon many portray him to be, how come none of you have the balls to be a patriot and deal with him yourself? If he kills fellow Americans on 911 and plots additional murders of innocent civilians, how do you sit by and do nothing?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:26 am
Libertarianism cannot be realized in a capitalist society. It should be clear by now that the freedom of the “free market” only means freedom from the constraints of common morality.
In the most ideal form, government is indispensable in a capitalist society to regulate relations between the people and the capitalists, to protect the interests of each against the other. In practice what inevitably occurs (as we have seen) is that, with ever greater concentration of wealth and power into the hands of the capitalists, government becomes a tool of oppression in the service of capital (fascism).
Once Capitalism has run its course, its corrupt nature will have reached such a level that it can no longer be defended except by the most degenerate elements of humanity. We have almost reached that point now.
A system based on the preeminence of profit over people must be replaced by a society that places humanitarianism as its main priority. This can be achieved alongside the inevitable death of Capitalism. Professional politics can then be replaced by the fusion of each citizen’s work with participation in the administration of society; representative “government” replaced by “governance” administered directly by the people. This will be true democracy.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am
Im sure Cheney was frothing at the mouth at anyone who said killing Americans for more oil wasnt a good idea right now and he probably declared he is the Dark Sith Lord we have all been looking for and he cannot be destroyed by the darkside… he is the Darkside…
August 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am
copycat;
Quit being an Alex Jones brainwshed sheep.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
vatican;
Why do you continually pay the U.S. Government (via taxes on your slave wages)?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:49 am
Keep on typing fellas. I used to think the internet was destined to become a revolutionary technology like the printing press. It turns out to be a way for people to vent without taking any real action. It’s a perfect tool for mass control. It’s even better than TV because it makes people think they are actually doing something. I’ll take some of you guys seriously when I hear about you on the news. Get out there and do something! But you better hurry because some other group might beat you to the punch and end up getting all the respect you have forfeited.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am
Quotation by manbearpig:
“What makes you think I pay taxes to the US?”
So no one hear pays U.S. federal income taxes? It’s funny how so few actually do but deny it on a message board. C’mon guys, own up to your complicity and cowardness. Let’s get a show of hands of the people who support the U.S. Government’s murder, etc., by working for them and giving them 35% of your meager income?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
Hey Chuck! Cowardness?? Just F’ing with ya. Keep goading these fools, maybe they’ll actually do something. Not!
August 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am
“Number of Americans Paying Zero Federal Income Tax Grows to 43.4 Million” (in 2006)
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html
And by the way, Chuck - I’m not American.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Hey James T. - let’s suppose we are just “fools doing nothing” - now which would be more stupid, “us fools doing nothing” or you einsteins watching us doing “nothing”?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Is anyone else having trouble with going on infowars.com? Also, the first hour rebroadcast is coming over jumbled, inaudible for about 10 minutes.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
This report points out TYPICAL neo con behavior.
I collect this kind of stuff.
http://groups.msn.com/impeachbushcheneyusurpation