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Cheney weighs fratricide to sell war on Iran
Press TV
Sunday, Aug 3, 2008
Prominent journalist Seymour Hersh exposes details of a plan considered by US Vice President Dick Cheney on how to provoke war with Iran.
“There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war [with Iran],” Hersh said recently in reference to the subject of discussion at a meeting held at Cheney’s office.
In a July article published in the New Yorker, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist revealed information about covert US operations carried out in Iran. He did not disclose the content of the talks with Cheney in his article.
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In a recent interview with Think Progress, however, Hersh exposed that the meeting witnessed Cheney mulling over a proposal to dress up Navy SEALs as Iranians and shoot them in order to trigger a war with Iran.
“The one (plan) that interested me the most was why don’t we build – we in our shipyard – build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy SEALs on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Strait of Hormuz, start a shoot-up,” he revealed in his recent interview.
“Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of – that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation.”
The well-known journalist added that the proposal was ultimately rejected.
“Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran,” he continued.
Hersh argues that should Washington engineer ‘the right incident’, Americans will ’support’ going to war with Iran.
Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Myron Hersh first gained worldwide recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 8:41 am
Dear readers,
Hello and cheers!
I am absolutely amazed that among 7 billion population on this prison planet, nobody can deduce the truth of the Islamic regime in Iran.
Look here, in a nutshell, the world HAD and HAS only one unique “government” that plays all the cards.you can call it Illuminati or whatever. when they decided to end the manufactured military-industrial wars between eastern and western blocks in the mid 70’s,they planned to create a TERRORIST HUB in the region to CONTINUE with the role of the soviet union in another guise.
What really happened is that they created an eastern enemy in the beginning of 20th.century( Russian Revolution) to achieve these two goals:
1- Creation of Ordo ab chao, that is ,to force all the eastern countries and all the western countries gather in two united blocks, the East and the West.
The role of Soviet Union as a dummy regime was to confront Europe and USA and strenghten the huge military-industrial complex to create the world’s first superpower capabilities in the USA.After the soviet union role was fulfilled in the end of 70’s, there came the time to unite the now united east with the united west under one umbrella and there were no need for more superpower capabilities because it already existed in a huge and invincible complex in the USA.
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2-Now the final stage must take place such that when the superpower capabilities were completed, then it was time to strenghten the NATIONAL SECURITY sector , that is,to create the final scene in terms of seizing all levers of power and declaring a martial law and global dictatorship by criminalization of each and every citizen.In this stage you see at least 16 USA national security agencies working together.
Now what you need to create this political scene as you did in the case of soviet union ? a HUB in the middle east to terrorize and demoralize the world and specially the USA citizens.To paly a dummy role as a big enemy, to send CIA money and oil Dollars to many smaller terrorist groups in the region ( Can you ratify a Federal budget for financing terrorists in the middle East?!) and to furnish weapons for all these groups to keep the region in blood and fire turmoil (Can you allocate Pentagon weaponry to be shipped to Middle Eastern zealous Islamists?!). THAT IS the role of the Islamic Republic in Iran.This regime is just a dummy , a proxy in fact , for the shadow world government that is advancing swiftly.
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Remember two years before Iranian Revolution , Muammar Qadhafi (with CIA financing), produced the popular and famous movie “Mohammad Rasoulollah” or “The Messenger” starring Anthony Quinn, which showed Islamic movements are coming forward and will conquer.
before the Iranian Revolution, Muammar Qadhafi bought Cassius Kelley the Boxer to convert his faith to Islam and become Mohammad Ali.
Then one year before the Revolution, there was a big promotional theater about the world boxing championship.In those days satellite live shows were a rare luxury, and all the sleepless Middle Easterns watched at dawn, as the “Islamic” boxer knocked down the “American” one (a purely manufactured fight).And of course do not forget that in the coming years, the Rocky serial movies all were preparing the world for the same theater and this time the “American” knocked down the “Russian ” and predicted the soviet downfall in the 80’s.
Remember the current Iranian President is one of the “students” that attacked the USA embassy and took more than 50 hostages for months.Is it not wonderful that none of those “students” had not any differing political orientation?How come all of these “students” that were accidentally present at the gates of embassy were all of the same gang?
Also, remember the SAND STORM that jeopardized the Pentagon plot to release those hostages.When the American choppers were based in Tabbas, in Iranian deserts, a huge sand storm sent them to oblivion. Do you know who makes sand storms and other kinds of storms , and tornados and quakes (including Katrina, and Indian ocean tsunami)?
Please just think! The Iranian IMAM Khomeini is promoted widely by the British BBC, settles in a nice Paris suburb to meet all the press and gives false promises to every body, and then flies to Iran in a French plane , gets on an American Chevrolet Blazer and heads to a cemetery!The Time magazine declares him The Man of The Year!
Don’t you see what has happened? Iranian regime ( simultaneously with Saddam Hossein and Taliban in Iraq and Afghanistan) was the substitute for the soviet block dissolution. This time not to strenghten the military power but to create much terror to clear the grounds for the USA police state and EU dictatorship which will be declared very soon indeed.
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To affirm my opinion , just think that this IMAM ( meaning a religious leader) from the start had nothing to do with the religion and instead of talking about the religious matters was always shouting against the USA and Israel and so on and spent the country’s oil money for terrorist activities in the region.He not only deceived the Iranians but also tricked all Islamic countries as far as Malaysia!He was just a puppet of the shadow government in the USA.
Don’t you see that Iranian regime has created great crisis and tribulation every single day since its advent 30 years ago?Don’t you see that USA threats and sanctions are going on for 30 years and NOTHING HAPPENS AT ALL?
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“It will take a more definite recognition of the Grand Architect of the Universe before the APEX STONE IS FINALLY FITTED INTO PLACE and this nation in the full strength of its power is in a position to assume leadership among the nations in inaugurating “the new order of the ages” [the motto of the Great Seal].
- Henry A.Wallace,in 1934;33rd.Vice President of the USA, In F.D.Roosvelt era.
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Please come to your senses and do not forget that all political matters going on in the world are controlled by one and only one center.(You can call it Anti- Christ,Illuminati,Dajjal,grand architect or whatever.)
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Please see my website for a better explanation:
http://www.freewebs.com/mindcontrolvictim
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Thank you and goodbye.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:24 am
“The Technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values.”
- Zbigniew Brzezinski
“The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes.”
- Felix Frankfurter (Supreme Court Justice, 1952)
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:25 am
Dickhead cheny always has the “I Just Pooped My Diaper” look on his face. I think I’ll send him a roll of toilet paper. What he does not wipe his ass with maybe he can shove into his mouth and shut the fuck up!
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 am
Interesting! One thing I can say is that we already have a full functioning police state in operation right here in the UK. It is only the mind numbing effects of childish sports, irrelevant TV and access to heavy drugs that has blinded the general public to the totalitarian state that has occured within the past ten years. Everyone seemingly likes to quote Orwell, well even he could’nt have predicted this. Now keep quiet, keep your thoughts to yourself, get angry only when the government permits you to. Why do you think 400,000 Brits are deserting this country every year? You know what that makes them? Smarter than us.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 am
These people make me sick. Americans really are stupid. How could we allow these people to remain in power? We need to push for the impeachment of these assholes even harder.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 am
If this does not wake people up, nothing will. What is wrong with us as Americans. How could we let this fly? WOW this is really fucked.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 am
Seymor says it’s “high school”. Huh. I don’t remember ever dressing up like my rival school then attacking my own school to start a war. Maybe I went to a different high school then Seymor Hersh.
Midea squared, don’t assume we can’t deduce stuff. We can deduce the shit out of stuff. That’s what we do.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:31 am
Tim;
This is really fucked however these people, Dick in particular, are completely insane and have absolute no regard for life of any kind. The only thing they know and understand is money, power, and watching they rest of us suffer. THEY ARE FUCKING SADISTS! I hope that they are unable to pull some shit like this off but if the past is indicative of possible future events than we are probably going to get zapped again. Nukes, gas, bio weapons or something like that will be our future because nobody is doing their job in the other two branches of our government! The Articles of Impeachment that the Senate can exercise are in place for these very reasons. These whackos need to go away but nobody has the balls to deal with them. We are all going to suffer or die however I hope we can take some of these motherfuckers with us.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:56 am
Alex Jones is an information stooge, a boisterous bragger and liar, and worst of all, a proxy tool of the finance oligarchs, industrialists, asset-strippers, and Wall-Street robber barons.
This is best illustrated by his utterly disrespectful interview with the author, scholar, and immensely more intelligent Webster Griffin Tarpley.
Mr. Tarpley has been the scourge of the financiers for decades, and Jones has the audacity to challenge him, supposedly in defense of the Mexophobe and reactionary Freedmanite Ron Paul, a man who’s disastrous economic policies border on those used by Pinochet in Chili, the horrendous dictator who was supported by the parasitical elements of Wall Street and The City of London.
Alex Jones is a stooge of Wall Street. A man with immediate connections to both the Petroleum Industrial Complex, the Fourth Estate and Mainstream Media, as well as well documented connections within the FBI. He has been quoted stating he has personal acquaintances within the agency.
I urge all readers to abandon the reactionary hysteria of Alex Jones. A man who’s show is increasingly turning into a Megaphone for the prophets of fear and austerity: the storable food hacks, water filter bimbos,and other perverse hucksters, charlatans, and frauds.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am
EXTERMINATION OF THE BLOODLINES OF THE SUPER ELITE’S IS THE ONLY ANSWER !
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am
This surprises people? That’s why the GOP loves Christian supporters, because they’re stupid naive. My ex-boyfriend from 1982 is “shocked” the CA state government in Pacific Grove is what he says “assaulting” them with aerial pesticide spraying. He’s a Christian who claims he believes government is generally good who believes people are generally overall good in nature. This is the stupidity of Christians that they support evil people face value. It’s as if they’re very own religion is designed to cover-up the evil that stares them in the face with its history of inquisition and torture.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:09 am
Alex Jones is an information stooge, a boisterous bragger and liar, and worst of all, a proxy tool of the finance oligarchs, industrialists, asset-strippers, and Wall-Street robber barons.
This is best illustrated by his utterly disrespectful interview with the author, scholar, and immensely more intelligent Webster Griffin Tarpley.
Mr. Tarpley has been the scourge of the financiers for decades, and Jones has the audacity to challenge him, supposedly in defense of the Mexophobe and reactionary Freedmanite Ron Paul, a man who’s disastrous economic policies border on those used by Pinochet in Chili, the horrendous dictator who was supported by the parasitical elements of Wall Street and The City of London.
Alex Jones is a stooge of Wall Street. A man with immediate connections to both the Petroleum Industrial Complex, the Fourth Estate and Mainstream Media, as well as well documented connections within the FBI. He has been quoted stating he has personal acquaintances within the agency.
I urge all readers to abandon the reactionary hysteria of Alex Jones. A man who’s show is increasingly turning into a Megaphone for the prophets of fear and austerity: the storable food hacks, water filter bimbos,and other perverse hucksters, charlatans, and frauds.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
I think in the mass murder game the Christians are way ahead of the ragheads. The Christian score is in the neighborhood of 100 million just in the 20th century.
As a mass killer of some repute along with a Nobel Peace Prize I am considered an expert witness in these matters.
Why if you just take the 30 million of ww1 and 55 million of WW2 the Chrisian score leaves the ragheads way behind. If you wish I can go back and do a full and proper count.
US will do nothing to Iran. Not a hair of an Irani will be scratched. Iran will be blown up in the media as a Shia superstate. Then US will become defender of Sunnisand in the process we will liberate their oil fields clean.
shalom
dr.k.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:20 am
Most of you White Christian Europeans are so incredibly dumb and dense you could’nt even remove a single chosen senator let alone change the entire Chosen Federal Government and media.
When our Chosen leaders proclaim war you White Christian Europeans jump on and start fighting with hardly a second thought.
You people killed more than 15+ million fellow White Christian Europeans in WW1 and for an encore you managed to kill some 40+ million White Christian Europeans in WW2. We the Chosen are way too smart for your stupid moron of a brain.
shalom
Dr.k
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 am
Not all Christians are gullable. Many secularists are. Much of what we face today in this country is spiritual decay and decadence , froght with material gain consciencness. Greed and narcisism at all levels of the American experience and culture.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
Anyone knowing Jesus need not live anxiously or in fear of the coming trajedies to befall us. The Lord promises blessings for those strong in faith, and rewards in Heaven for those persecuted in His name. That time will surely come, and very soon as these many reports indicate in their frequency and determinedly persistant boldness. A true Christian would be wise to take the words of our leaders at face value, and gauge the promises and such put forth by them against the living word of God. Gods word is true, and the light of His justice will show the dark deeds of the wicked for what they are in due time. A wise and prudent man sees the signs and prepares; and though a large stockpile of weapons attained in the percieved need to defend against Government encroachment, hoardes of looters sure to tear the fabric of society to shreds after the impending collapse of the economy as we know it, or potential invasion by hostile forces of other nations after said collapse will do nothing to endear those bearing arms intent to kill in the name of any cause, no matter the intention, to the Lord; for He is a God of peace who has layed out specific commandments one of which being “Thou shalt not kill”. A true Christian will stand opposed to a government bent on world wide involvement, be it ours or any other and not be so inclined as to vote along party lines or fall for the rabble, vitriol, and pandering to those seen as religious by any official running for office seeking a ‘Godly’ justification for hawkish war-mongering. A strong and educated faith will give rise to God inspiring us to choose wisely our course of action in the coming months, and those knowing Christ who allow themselves over to His wisdom given in the Bible, prayerfully studied and unadulterated by those in pulpits tickling the ears of the congregations of their mega churches will triumph as promised. Pray for those who persecute you, and show mercy to those in need of understanding; those blind by the fascism creeping into our society via mass media and misguided zealots of the pulpits are in dire need of compassion, even as the build the framework for the very machine designed to attempt to destroy all we know as Gods creation. This will not be allowed. This He has assured. Pray.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Gee, I am a ‘good’ person who gives my money to and supports an organization that has murdered millions of people and supress the rest…I am a kristian (sic).
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Wade;
That was nicely written piece of shit. Three things:
1. Where the fuck is God and what makes you think he gives a shit?
2. Its “Thou Shalt Not Murder” in the proper translation. The Bible is full of killing, and God killed like a mass murderer all through out the book. Now, he did send “angels” when the killing was done however it was his hand that commanded.
3. He, in this fairy tale, is not a God of peace. He is a bully and a sadist who sets things in opposition.
And for the rest of those commenting on religion and warfare…… Religion, all of it, is the biggest killer of all time with a body count that rivals all of the plagues and famine in recorded history.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Indeed Wade, pray much. Most have lost faith. It is in turmoil.
http://mej.com/index.php?optio.....;Itemid=30
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
@Steven: Do the names Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot mean anything to you? Just wondering, re your your last sentence.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
sporidium; Why yes they do. I can only guess that you attempting to make a comparison of their combined body count vs the history of religious beliefs going back some 5 to 7 thousand years. Of the names that you reference Stalin is by far the leader. He killed over 30 million of his own countrymen, not to mention the casualties that the russian military inflicted.
The bottom line is that religion, in all of it glory is a killing machine. With your comment I will counter with this: The Catholic Church! While imposing its will throughout the centuries it alone has murdered and destroyed more people and entire civilizations than all of your boys combined. And thats just one aspect of monotheism.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
To say that morality cannot exist without religion is to deny that morality has ALWAYS existed independently of religion. Besides, once you except that the Bible was created exclusively by man (because God does not exist) you realize that all of the morality that comes from that source was formulated by men.
Religion and all codified morality is a crutch for people who do not(or can not) develop their own ethical sense. I don’t trust people who need some book to tell them how to behave in all situations.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Thank you Alex and keep telling the TRUTH.
I have a thought about 911. Were the 2 aircraft that flew into the World Trade Centers REMOTE CONTROLLED? I recall they flew a 707 for over 2 hours via remote control.
We are in the end days, folks. You think things are nasty now just wait. Most KNOW we are heading to “The Mother Of All Economic Depressions”.
I can’t believe “sheeple” believe all the lies of the Gov. They are EVIL and CORRUPT.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I would like everyone here talking about religion to print this article and pass it out to everyone in church. I would like for the rest of the NeoCons here to print this article and pass it out to your buddies also, if you have the balls to do it that is. Since journalist Seymour Hersh does not seem to think this was important enough to report on, maybe we should all take over and pass this info to people that can do some good with it.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Cheney is probably the most evil man alive. He has no soul. He has more power than Bush. But he is not the sole mastermind of all the crap that this country is going through. Define the tyrants. Let them know that they will not get through this unscathed and untouched. The time is now to step up the game. They are amping up their “endgame”. We are in serious times now. Get your house in order, they WILL perform a false flag attack sometime soon, too many people are waking up and THEY CAN’T HAVE THAT. Tell everyone you know, and those you don’t who these scum-bags are.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Religion is now, and has always been, a way of controlling the masses. That’s why it was created and that’s the only purpose it has ever served. DON’T BE A PUPPET.
Stop trying to destroy the world just so you can say “See, I told you it was the end of days.” If you religion heads have your way we are all going to look around us in the future saying, “Well the world didn’t actually end, but it sure is a desolate wasteland full of pain and suffering now that the religious monkeys finally got the World War that they wanted so bad.”
Truth begins where God ends.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Steven, Gus, please do not feel provoked by any of my statements. My intent is not to belittle anyones sense of self worth in any way whatsoever. I seek not trust in any sense other than to be taken as a man wishing only to share a belief incapable of doing anything more than good. I would like only to shed light on a perspective lost in the world of today that is not altogether dissimilar from the world of the Biblical era and ever since, given that ours is a world run by men, men of power, and knowing that all men are inherently flawed, (”To err is human…”). Codified moralities are institutions of man, and having said as much, i should state now that the point missed in my statements would seem to be that a true relationship with Christ would not lead anyone into an Inquisition, Jihad, Crusade, what have you. It is true that ‘religion’ in the organized sense of the word (churches, synagogues, mosques, et al…) has throughout the centuries been a divisive force guided by the vanities of the men in charge (Popes, Imams, Pastors spewing political rhetoric…). Hitler himself, a born Catholic, played upon the religious heartstrings of those following as directed, falsely placing their beliefs in the teachings of the ‘leaders’ of their respective faiths, on his way to what became ww2. As Jesus was dying on the cross, he prayed mercy on those killing them, in compassion for the misunderstanding they had of their actions, while at the same time knowing that in dying on that cross He was committing the sacrifice neccesary for salvation to occur. Knowing Jesus, REALLY knowing Him is to read what the Bible (written by men, true, yet inspired upon these men by the Lord Himself) says throughout regarding His prophecied arrival, accomplishments and teachings, miracles performed, death (sacrifice) and resurrection and accepting the fact that He did go through this so that mankind from that point on not suffer for forgiveness so that salvation be granted. This is granted by Knowing He died for our sins, accepting this merciful and ultimately bravest of acts on our behalf from Him by recognizing Him as the true savior of mankind through the fulfillment of this long prophecied act, and following the commandments. Not 7, not 9, but all 10. “thou shall commit no murder” is no different than “thou shalt not kill” when a simple lookup of the word “murder” in the dictionary contains 3 different alternatives which contain the very word ‘kill’. One could cherry pick websters definitions to justify whatever they would so desire just for the sake of a more flamboyant arguement, but that would be no different than a preacher cherrypicking the Bible, a Priest cherrypicking a Catechism, an Imam cherrypicking a Koran, or a Rabbi cherrypicking a Tora while all doing so are motivated by selfish gains, be they political or war oriented or otherwise. The bottom line is, and in fact you are right on Steven, that ‘religion’ IS a killing machine. A true relationship with the Lord, existing most certainly now as He has before and always will, intervening as asked when done so by those who but only believe truthfully with heart and mind, has nothing to do in anyway with the activities of those claiming to do His will in the murderous rampage in conquest of territory or mentalities of the denizens of said territories. Jesus, when asked of which commandments mattered most said they all did, and yet the greatest commandment of all is LOVE. To love your enemies. To love your neighbor as yourself. To love one another as though you would treat them as you yourself would expect to be treated even if in the depths of your mind there were doubt that it might ever be reciprocated. “Christian’ by definition is ‘Christ-like’; the embodiment of peace and understanding. Understanding requires rational debate taking into account all sides of a given issue and accepting the strongest of sides. There is no greater strength than the capability to forgive, which so happens to be the main tenet of all Jesus’ teachings: love enough to forgive, and understanding will come along as a natural course.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Aureilias what Alex says has nothing to do with this. The people in charge of the U.S.A. are mad men. It’s really sad to say it, but it’s our fault as Americans for letting this go as far as it has. We should be ashamed of ourselves. We need to find a way to stop this madness. People need to get out and get people to write their congress about this. We need to keep pushing the impeachment.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
@ Steven: As a European protestant, I can’t argue about what you say about the Catholic “Church”. But it’s wrong to lay the probelm squarely at the feet of religion per se. It’s human badness that’s at fault, religion or no.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Wade; Well said and I apologize if I sounded harsh. You are well versed and educated and everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. That is what is so fantastic about freedom! I also believe in embracing your enemies. To hate an individual or a people is not only futile it is a waste of energy. You give far too much of yourself away when you let hatred enter your heart. Thank you for the response and I wish you the best.
PS. Dick Cheney is still a total douche and I hope he gets anal warts!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
sporidium: Well said. One of the many innate perversities of mankind is organized warfare. And I am not an advocate for assigning blame on religion alone. I am merely attempting to hypothesize that our species, historically, has killed, destroyed, and wreaked havoc in the name of religion far more effectively than when we rally around a campfire, so to speak, and waged war on a neighboring tribe because “they” have better fertile land, easier access for water, or taller trees. There are unfortunately far fewer Jonas Saulks, Einstein’s, and Tesla”s than there are think tanks that create death and destruction. If you look at the history of mankind and the accomplishments that we have made one aspect becomes clear. The epic advances in our peaceful or service oriented technologies are normally accredited to an individual. The organized and destructive technological advances are almost always the result of many minds that congregate, share information, and create monsters. When we split the atom we vaulted ourselves into a new realm of tangible mathematics and physics. That in and of itself is a good thing. What we did with it was something else entirely.
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Seymour Hersch said it so it must be true. LOL. 90% of truthers never heard of Hersch until this fraudulent article. Now he’s the truth movement’s hero of the moment. Just wait for the claims of “the truth is now going to go supernova”; “people are waking up”; “you can’t stop the truth”. Yeah, yeah…been hearing that for 5+ years now. When are your message board words going to turn into action?
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:41 pm
KcUHC, I dont know why you spend your time on this message board making irrelevant comments. Way to appreciate the story; your critical thinking skills are on full display.
You need to realize that your words carry far less weight than the words of people like Hersch. BTW, I heard of Hersch years ago, and I am a “truther.” You act like people like this (patriotsquestion911.com) are insane, when all it is is a big case of denial by people like you that keep this country fat, ignorant, and ultimately cattle walking half asleep to the slaughter.
You need to go get some better training in whatever it is you do. You arent fooling very many people.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:04 pm
From: Charles R. Curbo. Memphis, TN, charlesrcurbo@aol.com
To:Kcuhc:
So wtf have you done compared to Seymour Hersch?
Why are you waiting for somebody else to do something, you couch potatoe? Waiting for O’Bama?
Let’s hear you plan of action.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Everyone becoming aware IS action. This government we have now depends on the ignorance of our citizens. People will not support further terror measures like the Patriot Act if they know the terror is coming from the government. Education is the first stage. Their war on us is planned for multiple decades. Our defense is no different.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
OH YEAH, KCUCH, I CAN SPELL; IF YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE ASIDE “W” REGARDING POTATO.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
I know what I’m going to do. My plan is solid. All I will reveal is that it does include waiting for the moment of action. Step one is spreading the truth. I will say this. Remember that American people outnumber the NWO storm troopers. When the shit really hits the fan (more so than it already has), be ready to act. I don’t plan on hiding……I plan on fighting! I used to let Christian doctrine get in the way of fighting…….not anymore…..If they break down my door…….consider them DEAD! I’m a proud gunowner who has nothing to lose…..IF THEY KILL ME, I WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH! They will only be setting me free! Wake others up……load up…..and kill the enemy! You better have some strategy to it though…..if you want to be effective.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
“These people make me sick. Americans really are stupid. How could we allow these people to remain in power? We need to push for the impeachment of these assholes even harder.”
The only time the elite impeach each other is over nothing. They will never impeach each other over anything significant – say, genocide. There will be no impeachment and you are are entirely wasting your time pushing for it.
How can this be? The elite – those lofty Masters of Destiny who the people have abdicated their responsibility to – view the public as wilfully ignorant cattle. You may have noticed this – at least I hope you have. Our use to them is as slave labor and cannon fodder – nothing more. When they at last have total control of the Planet’s energy supply (including all food production and regulation) the trap will close for eternity.
The truly alarming part is – it will have been achieved with the consent of the public. In fact, it is the only way it can be achieved. ‘They’ are the elite because ‘We’ give them the power to be so. No consent = no power. If we behave like children we will be treated like children.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
“Everyone becoming aware IS action. This government we have now depends on the ignorance of our citizens. People will not support further terror measures like the Patriot Act if they know the terror is coming from the government. Education is the first stage. Their war on us is planned for multiple decades. Our defense is no different.”
This is correct. I would add that the war has already been going on for decades, starting as it did shortly after WWII. The Cold War was in fact a war by the elite against the People and is what brought us to this stage.
A good and easy tactic at this point is to be as unpredictable as possible. This throws a spanner in the works. Use cash wherever possible. Avoid all forms of electronic money. Insist on asking awkward and probing questions of banks, salespeople etc when they call you (I’ve had a lot of fun with this tactic). In other words, recognize every aspect of the system and then refuse to engage with it as you are predicted to.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Religion has been a reliable rallying cry for the gullible, it’s true. But war is merely an aspect of economics. It’s a way of balancing the books and bringing the economy back under complete control.
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Winston Churchill observed, “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fights with all the odds against you with only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is not hope of victory at all, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Great responses here 2 day. But back to the article. Cheney is a fucking monster. How else could he say these things, create this scenario in his mind and think that it would be a good idea? Set up our highest trained and elite Navy Seals and murder them so we can destroy another nation. I am almost speechless when I read this article. How can a cunt like this be our VP? I don’t know when it happened but our country is run by real monsters. Like when you are a little kid and are afraid of what is under your bed. These monsters only look like people but I have to believe that under their skin they are different. I mean that if they bled green blood or if horns popped out of their heads I would not be surprised! When a comment like this can be said and recorded and nothing happens to the fucker that says it you have to wonder what other kind of shit “they” have planned for us all. What a shame for the USA when people like this know that they can say and do anything they please and suffer no consequences.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
If Prezident Cheney would throw himself in front of an Irainian patrol boat war would surely follow.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Mad Mark; If Dick-head would throw himself in front of a moving boat and fucking die I would suck my own dick on national television on new years eve!
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
If I was in Seymour Hersh’s position I would quit my job writing for the New Yorker; journalists have a responsibility to write honestly–and if he is not allowed to discuss these facts, due to his bosses, to explain imminent information to us honestly, then forget I would quit!! I seek employment to work for another magazine company and definitely not be comfortable being an indirect supporter of genocide;
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Has anyone reviewed the several Dr. Deagle videos posted on Google Video? Deagle makes a good point about the difference between “spirituality” and “religion.” The problem is that religion is too institutionalized and thus practitioners will argue about proper representatives and those whom believe they are more fit to authorize a religions mode of communication, to God. It is this very fact of “authority” in “religion” that causes adversity. Even if you are a very literal interpreter of the bible, you need to profess your “spirituality” not “religion” directly to God, without the authority of the church. Church and religion are mans’ attempt to systematize God, if you think of it, and systematization should be limited to abiotic manipulation only.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Wade:
You may forgive people, but if they do not learn by your forgiveness not to trespass, you HAVE NOT HELPED THEM.
And if you forgive people, and they continue to trespass against you, you haven’t helped yourself either.
We often do both others and ourselves a greater service by NOT forgiving their trespasses. In fact, sometimes it is necessary to teach them a lesson they will never forget, or to end their trespassing by ending their lives.
So, my bretheren, do not be quick to forgive, lest you do yourselves and others the greater harm.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Mr. Fegel, I sincerely hope that your remark is toung in cheek, as the fact that teaching a person a ‘lesson’ by ending their lives does nothing in the way of education at all: it merely ends a life while doing nothing in turn to rectify whatever trespass (murder of a loved one, revenge for a stolen plasma screen, a simple B & E, etc…). With regard to continual trespass, only a fool would allow such repeated behavior to go on affecting their lives. Does a recovering alchoholic continue running with the same friends they partied with if they are serious about their recovery? Does a car owner leave their car unlocked even after an attempt has been made to steal the contents or the car itself? The Bible is full of scripture rationalizing wasted effort as exactly that: wasted. A believer is required to profess his/her faith in a nonconfrontaional way, and once refuted or rejected, they are to ’shake the dust from their feet’ and move on. To repeatedly allow oneself to be trespassed against in any way is contrary to the logic permeating the Bible, and foolish to boot. Recognizing that the words and actions of a fool are a waste of attention or engagement, it would be far better to be wise and remove oneself from situations, relationships, places of employment, friendships, allegiances with corrupt nationalities and governments so as to not be seen as a fool and be a better living expression of the message laid clear in Gods word. To allow continual trespass does nothing to educate or help the trespasser; this is true. Also true is the fact that ending a life does the same. Their refusal or inability to learn is off our hands after the message has been delivered. After that it’s between them and God, and since I cannot create life from nothing I feel that it is not my right to turn a life into nothing.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:29 am
I might add further that regarding stockpiles of food, water, filtration systems, seeds, hygenic supplies; good in theory, but there are many things to be considered. The NWO is real, and as cool as a concept of living off the grid is; to be tucked safely away from a bloodthirsty regime bent on tracking down and enslaving/killing dissenters, self sustaining and proactive in the guardianship of the fam, one need only acknowledge the monumental leaps of technology birthed and accelerated in the name of a false war on terror and the facade of national security. Rest assured that the capabilities posessed by our government would make such a lifestyle very short, and soon ended via being killed in the name of national security for witholding valuable assets from the populace and framed as a domestic terror threat, falsely as it would be. If not killed, then most assuredly intered (SP?) in the many complexes set up throughout our country made to contain citizens during times of ‘crisis’ (manufactuerd or not), ‘enemy combatants’ opposing the gov., or what have you. In case you didn’t notice, I left GUNS off of the list of the survivalist checklist, and with good reason: the capablities demonstrated by the armed forces render any attainable weaponry the public at large might attain are meaningless versus airborne lasers, concentrated particle beams, depleted uranium rounds, sound cannons and the like, all in the employ of the armed forces ‘defending’ our ‘freedom’ against a threat that is questionable at best. These guns will be good for one thing only: blowing the tops of your own skulls off as the evil closes in. I believe any looters are to be viewed as brethren, as they are also going to demonstrating future opposition the the regime, and the act of defense against each other only better serves the agenda of the NWO, much in the same way that a jaded cop would prefer rival gangs to kill each other off so that they needn’t bother. Revolution need not be bloody. Jesus Christ, the truest revolutionary to ever walk the earth, proved this in not just His words, but also His actions against the establishment of religion of His era. The only blood shed during His revolution was His own, for our sins and forgiveness of, if only we would recognize.
August 4th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Check out
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1547.cfm
and
http://www.threeworldwars.com/intro.htm
for more info regarding NWO WW1 WW2 and WW3.
1959 — The Mid-Century Challenge to U.S. Foreign Policy is published, sponsored by the Rockefeller Brothers’ Fund. It explains that the U.S.:
“…cannot escape, and indeed should welcome…the task which history has imposed on us. This is the task of helping to shape a new world order in all its dimensions — spiritual, economic, political, social.”
The Illuminati are a group of secret controllers that until 1989 were the most successful of them all. The Illuminati that I am referring to is the group that evolved directly from the “Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria”. The Illuminati in this form were founded by a man named Adam Weishaupt in 1775. This known chapter started in Ingolstadt, Bavaria.
The original Illuminati beliefs evolved from very diverse sources. A knightly order merged with sufi ideas and concepts, during the Crusades, to create the “Knights Templar”. The Knights Templar were later disbanded and largely exterminated by the French monarchy under Philippe le Bel or Philip the Fair. The break-up of the Templar’s resulted in the creation of many of the masonic and other european secret societies. Some of the surviving Templar’s learned the rituals and methods of an egyptian hermetic order known as the “Illuminates of Ra”. These Templar’s took the name the “Illuminati”. The Illuminati continued to evolve. They merged with a group of tantric yoga practitioners gleaning mind/body meditation and exercises. The Illuminati absorbed the methods and concepts of the “Assassins”, a moslem cult, as well as various christian gnosist religions. This is the point at which Adam Weishaupt organized the Illuminati into the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria.
President John F. Kennedy — JFK was assassinated by the Illuminati for several obvious reasons and one not-so-obvious. Let us begin with the obvious reason: President Kennedy was planning to reverse the plan of the Illuminati to carry out the war in Vietnam. I was a sophomore in high school at the time, and had been very active in politics for about three years; in the Spring of 1963, I heard JFK say that he was going to pull America out of Vietnam, and in the Fall, I heard Kennedy say that he would “have a thousand boys home by Christmas”. He was killed weeks later, on November 22 [the 11th month, 22nd day], at Dallas, Texas, which lies nearly exactly on the 33 rd parallel of the 33rd degree of latitude. [Ibid.]
Further, JFK was killed in Masonic Dealey Plaza, the site of an original Masonic Lodge in the early days of Texas. As David Icke notes, “Dealey Plaza is a mass of esoteric symbolism and is officially named after a 33rd Degree Freemason called George Bannerman Dealey … Dealey Plaza is shaped like a pyramid with the capstone missing. The top is truncated by a railway bridge.” [Icke, Ibid., p. 407] Icke further says that Dealey Plaza was a outdoor Sun Temple [Ibid., p. 408], and his killing corresponded to the “ancient fertility oblation of the ‘Killing of the King’.” [Ibid.]
The not-so-obvious reason JFK was murdered would be known only to a dedicated Satanist and Freemason. As Icke points out: “Kennedy was killed on November 22, 1963. This date was the anniversary of the order, or papal bull, by Pope Clement V for the Knights Templar to be subjected to torture by the Dominican Inquisition. It [the Papal Bull] was issued on November 22, 1307.” Thus, Icke believes that Freemasonry/Knights Templar finally exacted its long-awaited revenge by killing the only Roman Catholic President this country has ever had, on the anniversary date of the attack on Knights Templar, and in a specific satanic ritual called, “The Killing of the King”.
To tell the world that the assassination of JFK was Illuminist, our government put an eternal flame at his grave site, as the above picture illustrates. JFK’s eternal flame was also in the middle of a circle, which carries a double Illuminist symbol — a circle encircling a flame. As Dr. Burn notes, the circle is derived from the Sun, and it symbolizes the pagan god [Burns, quoting Masonic author, J.S.M. Ward, Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods , London: Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton, Kent and Company, Ltd., 1921, p. 30]
Witches also use the circle drawn on the ground during ritual to “enforce demons to appear”. [Burns, Ibid., p. 27]. Thus, a circle is a powerful Illuminist symbol, and is doubly powerful when a flame is in its middle.
These are the reasons President John F. Kennedy got an eternal flame at his gravesite.
Martin Luther King — Doctor Martin Luther King was assassinated because he was leading the blacks of America in a path totally opposed by the Illuminati. King envisioned the blacks exercising Individual Responsibility, achieving educational status equal to whites, and working side-by-side with whites, so that a totally “color blind society” would emerge. This was King’s dream, and it cost him his life. The Illuminati wanted a people totally dependent upon Big Government programs — not independent thinkers, independent workers, and a people who took pride in their accomplishments.
CFR member, Jesse Jackson, patiently waited in the wings. After the Mass Media showed pictures of Jesse Jackson covered with the blood of Dr. King immediately after the assassination, Jackson vaulted into the top place of leadership of American blacks. Under Jackson’s leadership, the blacks of America have been led into a dependency status, where the only thing they can fight over is continued access to government programs. Yet, even with this terrible leadership, statistics tell us that, today, the largest single group of blacks in America are Middle Class.
Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin – In Seminar 4, “Raging Spiritual Warfare At This End of the Age”, we explain how you can tell from the Israeli flag how Israel’s leadership currently is Illuminist. We then teach how this type of leadership will be destroyed during the Tribulation Period, and how God will then turn the hearts of one-third of the Jews toward Jesus Christ, so that, when He returns, the Jewish nation shall “look upon Him Whom they have pierced’ {Zechariah 12:10}, in a 4-Tape series entitled, “Israel’s Troublesome But Glorious Future].
But, today, as we speak, Israel is controlled by the Global Illuminati, and is pursuing their agenda, not an agenda specifically geared to protecting Jews and their national interests. One of the most important elements of the Illuminist plan for the Middle East during the immediate time period before the planned Third World War, is the Oslo Peace Process.
Oslo was designed to lay a sophisticated trap for the Palestinians first, and for all Arabs secondly. Oslo would promise nationhood to the Palestinians; but through Arafat’s leadership and rhetoric, the Palestinian people decided they wanted all of Israel and all of its Jews dead. Thus, Oslo encouraged statehood aspirations amongst the Palestinians, knowing it was Arafat’s job to never allow a solution, thereby enraging the Palestinians greatly, setting the stage for the ultimate conflict which would result in complete Palestinian annihilation in fulfillment of Obadiah 15-18 [Read NEWS1422 for full details].
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and his associate, Shimon Peres, were the instigators and the promoters of this very complicated and long-term plan known as the Oslo Peace Accord. According to Israeli investigative journalist and author, Barry Chamish, Rabin had concluded that Oslo was not in Israel’s national interest, and he had made extensive plans to stop the entire process. Chamish said, “Rabin was rebelling against the most powerful men on earth and he knew the risk. Rabin died a hero.” ["Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin ", by Barry Chamish, p. 170].
As with President John F. Kennedy, Prime Minister Rabin paid the ultimate price — the penalty — for his rebellion against the plans of the Illuminati. For his efforts, Rabin got an eternal flame surrounded by a circle at his gravesite.
Princess Diana — Princess Diana was married to Prince Charles, whom many people believe will be the ultimate Antichrist [Read Tim Cohen's book, "Antichrist And A Cup Of Tea" for full details]. After starting the book skeptically, I became convinced that this possibility is very real. Certainly, Prince Charles is of the British/European Monarchy, who can “prove” to the Orthodox Jew priesthood his direct descent all the way back through King David. This requirement is absolutely essential, for Bible prophecy is very clear that Messiah will come from the Line of David [2 Chronicles 21:7; Ezekiel 34:23 and 37:24]. This prophetic fact is the reason God sets forth the line of descendents in Matthew 1, demonstrating that Jesus’ lineage continued unbroken to King David. Antichrist must “prove” this same lineage to the Orthodox Jew, and through the lie of the Merovingian Bloodline , the European Monarchies can produce a line of descendency back to King David that will convince today’s Jews.
Princess Diana grew out of disfavor with Prince Charles and the Queen Mother. At the end, Diana and Charles separated. Occult sources uniformly state that, after the divorce, an increasingly bitter Diana had decided to tell the world of the secret global plans that the British Monarchy was pursuing. These plans have an occult title, New World Order. Princess Diana knew too much, had seen too much, and had expressed a willingness to spill it all out to anyone who wished to listen.
For this, Princess Diana has an eternal flame at her memorial at the Ponce de I’Alma Tunnel in Paris where she died.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:04 am
Congressman Announces Bombing of Iran & Suspended Election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....om/?p=3586
EVERYONE Must See.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:01 am
PEACE
Through superior firepower!
August 4th, 2008 at 9:42 am
I was just listening to Alex start his radio show with an interview with Ron Paul. I am getting really fed up with Rep. Paul. Alex plays for him the Vice presidents comments about americans killing americans in a false flag Iranian incident. What does Ron Paul do? He says oh well what can you do? I know now why Alex gets so crazy sometimes on the radio. If Ron Paul doesn’t give a damn that Cheney wants to false flag american lives, then we might as well give up now. I can’t believe what i heard. Bless you Alex for trying to put some fire under mr.Paul but he knows where his bread is buttered. If what Cheney proposes too do isn’t big enough for Ron Paul to go balistic the Ron Paul is a traiter.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Cheney is truly a mentally sick individual. As well as a genuine abomination of true evilness.
March 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
good song!