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Chief suspect in US anthrax attacks found dead
London Times
Friday, Aug 1, 2008
The chief suspect in the 2001 anthrax postal attacks in the US has died from an apparent suicide just as the Justice Department was to file criminal charges against him.
Bruce Ivins, 62, one of America’s top biodefense researchers, had been told that he was going to be prosecuted for the attacks that killed five people and sent the country into panic in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers. He died in hospital on Thursday after taking a huge dose of prescription Tylenol, a painkiller, mixed with codeine.
The scientist had worked at the the United States Army Medical Research Institute,(USAMRIID), the government’s elite biodefense research laboratories in Maryland for 18 years. He had played a pivotal role in research to improve anthrax vaccines, and during the attacks had helped the FBI analyse powdery material recovered from an envelope tainted with anthrax which had been sent to the Washington DC office of Tom Daschle, a US senator.
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His imminent prosecution had not been made public but followed a government payout of $US5.82m (Pounds 2.9m) to a former government scientist, Steven Hatfill, who had been the FBI’s chief suspect for the anthrax attacks almost since the beginning. The payout to Hatfill, an unusual development that exonerated him of being the anthrax attacker was an essential step to clear the way for prosecuting Ivins, lawyers familiar with the case told the LA Times.
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:27 am
So the fall man commits “suicide” just before he was to be prosecuted.. geeee, there’s a shocker.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:43 am
Its too bad that the people that are investigating the incident could be a prime suspect…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:44 am
Wow, either he was really really guilty and he knew it or the process of prosecuting him would have brought out seriously damaging information.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:45 am
First they tried to put blame on Hathwill, and spread all
these lies about Him to media, but he unexpectedly
for them refused any deals, so, here we got another
victim, that conveniently commits suicide and can beblamed
for all the crimes. Why letters to liberal senators when
Ivins was liberal himself.
The power is shifting to democrats so it is time
to cover everything up.
Look in The military and all the other criminals in this government that had an access to this militarized antrax,
that was produced against the law
August 1st, 2008 at 5:53 am
How unusual…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:57 am
What was the name of that reporter in Florida who worked at a paper called “The Sun”, I think, that died from the anthrax letter he received? What did Bush have against him again? Taking pics of his family or something? Can’t find anything out on Google. Please inform. Thanks.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:58 am
THE HIDDEN ANTHRAX LETTERS SUSPECThttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthraxsuspect.html
FBI Closes in on Anthrax Terrorist
Prime Suspect is a Zionist
http://www.aztlan.net/zack.htm
August 1st, 2008 at 5:59 am
please post my comments. why does AJ fear talking abotu Zionists? strange…….
August 1st, 2008 at 5:59 am
He wasn’t going to be prosecuted, he was going to be spilling the beans and incriminating a lot of other people.
August 1st, 2008 at 6:08 am
So … you are saying….
The initial suspect in the 2001 anthrax postal attacks in the US has recieved a government payout of $US5.82m …a crucial step… an unusual development that exonerated him of being the anthrax attacker which cleared the judicial path leading to an apparent suicide of a new suspect prior to his day in court???
Was this payout the key evidence???
Usually…. the payout would be from the scientist to the judge….
August 1st, 2008 at 6:19 am
PHILIP ZACH is the one who did it. He has intimate ties to Donald Rumsfeld and was caught on video tape entering the anthrax storage facility at Fort Deitrich-unauthorized. We knew this investigation would end in a suicide. SO FUCKING OBVIOUS!
August 1st, 2008 at 6:52 am
It is on record for many years now that an over abundance of bio scientists have been coiming up dead…some from “suicide” and others who just so happen to be in places like windy roads during snow storms in the middle of the night and their brakes just happens to lock up or do not work at all. The number of top bio scientists killed or found dead is a world wide (almost) epidemic, more than any other group of such people by a very high percentage.
Rhonda
August 1st, 2008 at 7:06 am
Two words: David Ferry
August 1st, 2008 at 7:13 am
what a coincidence: yet another individual, who could implicate the government in criminal activities (D.C. Madame), decides to kill himself.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:22 am
Chris, i agree. i will also now go by Chris R. so we dont confuse each other,haha.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:29 am
Another patsy bites the dust, with a little help from his friends.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:32 am
honest_con…………….i AGREE 100%
August 1st, 2008 at 7:38 am
The anthrax incidents served the neo-con agenda, of course, by whipping the post 9-11 fear to fever pitch.
“Some see a failure; I see a big success
Using our terror to undermine the whole U.S.
When the towers came down, and everybody froze
Bush and Giuliani came up smelling like a rose
Traitor…Dare call it treason.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5dP5gy2Vs
August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 am
It seems ironic to me that “one of America’s top biodefense researchers” would choose Tylenol to commit suicide.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:49 am
How convenient he died of a “suicide”. You can add him to a list of 100 scientists that have become so depressed they “suicide” themselves, been killed by pizza delivery guys, plane crashes, car crashes, muggings gone bad or found in the trunk of a burning car. One was pagan sacrificed with a sword by his own daughter. Another was found in pieces floating in the Chesapeake in his wife’s matching luggage. The strange method and frequency makes for a bizarre anomaly in death statistics. You can put scientist right up their with winter crabbing in Alaska as the most deadly occupations. Go look up the story of poor Dr. David Kelly. After he came back from Iraq and turned in his report on weapons of mass deception, he was found dead in the woods with two slashed wrists. Instead of having homicide investigate, they appointed a “commission”. Why don’t they just call them cover-up specialists.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:54 am
Kids in a candy-store…that’s what the elite are…
Kids in a candy-store and no one around to slap them on the fingers…
They gonna stuff their faces till they puke…
August 1st, 2008 at 7:59 am
Suicide?
*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*
August 1st, 2008 at 8:14 am
I have to believe that there is ALWAYS justice in the end (burning in hell, etc…). I must believe… Must believe… There’s no place like home… God PLEASE wake me up.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:17 am
We’ve almost killed the mainstream newspapers now. In a short time, their only readers will be their few employees. Mainstream television news is also taking a hit facing an ever diminishing audience. Truth seekers are having an huge impact. We must stay united, continue to bring others into the sunlight and keep our eye on the prize. We are seeing the last days of these kinds of ridiculous stories and it isn’t going unnoticed. The Internet is our only real, effective mass-communication weapon to counter the government propaganda and they know it. We must fight to keep it, and that fight is coming very soon. If we hang together, we can win this thing.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am
Let them eat cake
Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s 12-volume autobiographical work Confessions, was written in 1770. In Book 6, which was written around 1767, he recalls:
At length I recollected the thoughtless saying of a great princess, who, on being informed that the country people had no bread, replied, “Then let them eat pastry!”
let them eat cakeMarie-Antoinette arrived at Versailles from her native Austria in 1770, two or three years after Rousseau had written the above passage. Whoever the ‘great princess’ was – possibly Marie-Thérèse , it wasn’t Marie-Antoinette.
Her reputation as an indulgent socialite is difficult to shake, but it appears to be unwarranted and is a reminder that history is written by the victors. She was known to have said “It is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness”. Nevertheless, the French revolutionaries thought even less of her than we do today and she was guillotined to death in 1793
August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 am
Bullshit. This is a cover-up. The Anthrax was sent by the Israeli spy, Dr. Phillip Zack.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 am
I am suprized it was’nt three gun shot wounds to the back of the head kind of suicide.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 am
The hungry Sheep look up, and are not fed,
But swoln with wind, and the rank mist they draw,
Rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread
~milton
August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 am
It’s official and now establishment history that the “anthrax attacks” came from a US Army man operating out of a US Army lab on Amerikan soil near the capitol. That man was also an FBI asset. As the investigation into his role in those attacks thickened, he was “suicided.” At issue here is treachery at the highest levels of the establishment and clearly some sort of a psychological operation.
Notably here, as in the assassinations of both JFK and King, members of the agency conducting the investigation into the crime are implicated in the crime itself. For example, the Torbitt document places the blame for the assassination of JFK on the FBI’s Division Five, which was also involved in the King assassination. Division Five, ironically, investigated both assassinations. Division Five, btw, was also involved in an attempted hit on French President De Gaulle.
Similarly it was an FBI asset involved in the investigation into the anthrax letter event that ends up being fingered by the investigation and ultimately held responsible by the MSM.
Perhaps it is a bit convenient, though, wouldn’t you say, that the primary suspect ends up instantly dead so the case is closed, even if it bespeaks of an obvious inside job.
@ Laurie: the payout was “evidence” because as Hatfill pursued his case of slander against the USG, evidence that someone within the USG was behind the attacks (in this case the Army and FBI man that supposedly offed himself), and not some disgruntled dissident (Hatfill), mounted and thus could no longer be denied.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 am
WOW!..This is pretty big actually…First they go after “Building 7″..with their..UTTERLY ridiculous assertions based on their own littel computer “model” in other words create the “evidence” to show the result you want and then call it “proof”…bizarre.
Then they go after the “Anthrax Killer” and..OOOps…he winds up DEAD….although admittedly Tylenol is a really..believable story..I must say…no “hit and run”..”mysterious blow to the kneck” etc…but rather TYLENOL with Codein…NICE!…there SHOULD even be a “paper trail” as that is a RX drug..
Anyway..the POINT?
These two items..were and ARE two of the biggest RED HERRINGS in the whole “official Story” and too..the Anthrax Killer was ALSO a useful tool for those of us AGAINST the “Watch List” and the SURVEILLANCE SOCIETY..the reasoning being that if they cannot catch the Anthrax Killer..then what is the fucking point of having 1 Million names and GROWING..
So..what do they do? WHAM! in a matter of WEEKS..which may end up being a dumb idea…in a matter of weeks they…WRAP IT UP!
Give the ‘Answers’ to two of the bigger “problems’ with the official bullshit..
Of course the Building 7 cover story is so pathetic as to have actually given MORE evidence of C.O.G. Involvement..but this Anthrax “Suspect” killing himself is BEYOND conveniant..for in a sense..he incriminated himself..giving the Sheeple a sourt of Ad Hoc arguement which they are SO VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO…
“well…the Anthrax guy..he killt hiself..they knew it were him..and so he done killt hiself before they could get him…”
It is THAT SIMPLE!
Jeezis..it is SO apparant…Cheney Did It!..Bush Knew!
QED
August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 am
Actually, this story gives insight into how the intelligence service uses dupes of all kinds.
Most of the recruits for ‘terrorism’ used by the government are picked because of their position and state of mind and personality. In this case (not talking about the person suicided) they chose a greedy racist with right-wing leanings. He was required to reach the places that 911 could not- namely the snouts-in-the-trough politicians of DC.
My suspicion is that his handler was smart enough to know the anthrax would be traced back to the US lab where the guy worked, but knew his bosses would be too dumb to spot this flaw when they greenlit the operation. This implies that the handler of the researcher that sent the anthrax letters considered him/herself as working to a higher purpose/authority- one that considered the risk of the truth becoming public to be of little real concern.
THINK ABOUT IT. You all tell yourself that a ’smoking gun’ found in connection with 911 with have some major effect. How stupid can you be? Did the anthrax hoax being revealed change a damn thing? Did Putin being caught red-handed blowing up the Moscow apartment blocks hurt his career or intentions in the slightest?
THE BIGGEST LIE YOU ARE TAUGHT IS THAT YOU CAN EASILY BRING THE BAD-GUYS DOWN WITH THE TRUTH.
Our fight is never going to be anything but one huge, never ending, slog. When we get irrefutable evidence, as in the anthrax case, the bad guys already know how to turn it back to their advantage. How? Because they wage a psychological war, not a ‘factual’ one. They specialise in the weaknesses in the minds of the sheeple, and will always use the mainstream media to plant and prepare for outcomes that we might think would help us, and hurt them.
Of course Blair and his people have murdered the inconvenient in the UK. Of course Cheney and his people have murdered the inconvenient in the USA. This type of action, at least, is not unique to the worst of monsters, but is used by all but the most benign and moral governments. Power is always a disgusting business, and the willingness to carry out horrible crimes always magnify as one rises up the power pyramid.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 am
It is unbelievable that a former associate of Jerome Hauer, Steven Hatfil was paid over 5 million dollars when he was the original suspect in these murders. Now the underling patsy Ivins is found dead just before he was to be indicted. Hauer is filthy in these attacks. He insisted that the White House staff start on Cipro on 9/11, a week before the anthrax attacks. Google:”Meet Jerome Hauer-911 Suspect Awaiting Indictment”..
August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 am
Dashcle was one of the top ranking democrats in the Senate(along with Leahy who got anthraxed), they would have been the most likely people to actually look into things like 9/11. Daschle didnt “know” anything, but he was in a position to find out. the anthrax sent a very clear message to him and others not to even try. is it really that hard to understand? or is there a motive to these questions?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:05 am
The link to a goverment agency was made on the history channel about 4 months ago i cant remember the name of the show but i shure you can youtube it.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 am
this is right around the time when that other scientist was found dead in a ditch while on a his morning jog a few years ago. they must like to do it in the summer
August 1st, 2008 at 9:16 am
i though this was the guy?
http://www.whatreallyhappened......spect.html
August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 am
Check military.
Rumsfeld continue his dirty work
as a consultunt for defense department
August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am
The bread trail was leading to the wrong door so it had to be cut off. Ivins’ “suicide” should run pretty heavy in the news. I will be an official end to the anthrax. They found a guy with a bad attitude the media could demonizes without offending the family and was being treated for depression. So the mean crazy guy bought the farm that kill 5 and sent the country into a frizzy, makes a great story. And he never got a chance to be proven innocent becasue in this county you are guilty until proven innocent regardless of what the law says. The only reason Steven Hatfill is not dead is because the right circumstances could not be created for him to be made into the suicidal nut job.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:56 am
All you cops out there, take heed! You don’t get any support from your masters. You carry out their orders and when the time comes, your masters dispense with you. No loyalty in the den of thieves.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
hmmm.. sounds fishy to me….
August 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Boy, I bet this is going to send some of you off the deep end, huh?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:21 am
This story reaks of fishiness.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am
Libertarianism cannot be realized in a capitalist society. It should be clear by now that the freedom of the “free market” only means freedom from the constraints of common morality.
In the most ideal form, government is indispensable in a capitalist society to regulate relations between the people and the capitalists; to protect the interests of each against the other. In practice what inevitably occurs (as we have seen) is that, with ever greater concentration of wealth and power into the hands of the capitalists, government becomes a tool of oppression in the service of capital (fascism).
Once Capitalism has run its course, its corrupt nature will have reached such a level that it can no longer be defended except by the most degenerate elements of humanity. We have almost reached that point now.
A system based on the preeminence of profit over people must be replaced by a society that places humanitarianism as its main priority. This can be achieved alongside the inevitable death of Capitalism. Professional politics can then be replaced by the fusion of each citizen’s work with participation in the administration of society; representative “government” replaced by “governance” administered directly by the people. This will be true democracy.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am
So one week after 9/11, this guy all on his own, and to get $ for his research (that’s what MSNBC is saying, he did it so the govt would increase his research budget), one week after 9/11 he sends hate mail to Democrats and left-leaning news anchors, to capitalize on the false flag terror.
And do NOT forget that the White House was warned on 9/11 by John Hauer of Kroll Associates http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Hauer,Jerome.shtml that there could be an Anthrax attack, and based on his recommendations, they started taking Ciprio on 9/11, to protect against anthrax.
Ivins’ attorney says he could have proved his innocence…but now he’s dead from “suicide.” Case closed and the people with foreknowledge of the anthrax attak (like Hauer, who was put in CHARGE of the investigation after it happened) walk free, ready to do their next false flag attack.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Poetic justice served.
You dumb evil bastards serve these thieves and just when you think you are one of them, they get you too. Hey cops and soldiers who think you are safe serving the criminals, pay attention to how many mass graves across the world contain remains of soldiers/executioners. Why? Well, the criminals who instigate these acts know the only way to keep a secret is to eliminate those who know what happened. That’s YOU!
August 1st, 2008 at 10:41 am
They’ll do anything to protect the Israeli Colonel! (Col. Zack)
August 1st, 2008 at 10:41 am
HMM…AND WHAT ABOUT PHILIP ZACK WHO HAD BEEN CAUGHT ON FILM ILLEGALLY ENTERING THE MILITARY COMPLEX THAT PRODUCES THIS STRAIN OF ANTHRAX – JUST THE DAY BEFORE THE ATTACKS ?
VERY STRANGE INDEED.
Many condoleances to Ivin’s family. I don’t believe he did it.
He probably just knew too much.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:50 am
Keep on typing fellas. I used to think the internet was destined to become a revolutionary technology like the printing press. It turns out to be a way for people to vent without taking any real action. It’s a perfect tool for mass control. It’s even better than TV because it makes people think they are actually doing something. I’ll take some of you guys seriously when I hear about you on the news. Get out there and do something! But you better hurry because some other group might beat you to the punch and end up getting all the respect you have forfeited.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Let’s get a show of hands here:
Who supports the criminal, murderous U.S. Government by giving them 35% of their income via taxes? You’re too cowardly to take your country back, are you also too cowardly to admit you support the U.S. Government?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am
Quotation by Gus;
“Keep on typing fellas. I used to think the internet was destined to become a revolutionary technology like the printing press. It turns out to be a way for people to vent without taking any real action. It’s a perfect tool for mass control. It’s even better than TV because it makes people think they are actually doing something. I’ll take some of you guys seriously when I hear about you on the news. Get out there and do something! But you better hurry because some other group might beat you to the punch and end up getting all the respect you have forfeited.”
I can’t believe these short-brains believe they’re going to affect change by posting on message boards and wearing t-shirts at ground zero once a year. Meanwhile, they support the U.S. Government by working for them and willingly giving them a significant portion of their income. I bet they think they are akin to the founding fathers.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:06 am
The death from overdose of acetaminophen is due to liver damage.
It is not a predictable death at all. I mean even by consuming huge amounts of acetaminophen it is possible to be alive. Besides the death will certainly be really painful with multiple organ damages. Such a scientist could really easily have chosen less painful ways of suicide.
I wonder why some times Rothschildian media try to spread conspiracy theories by telling such blatant lies. May be they want to surprise us with something or just to show their power.
Even if it is suicide in reality that is just another experience for people that they should not have any hope in Satan and his followers.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
vein: You are indeed one of the most informed and wise posters on this forum. And your post on this topic confirms that.
In any field of inquiry, there will always be people who are way ahead of the curve. I realized that as a teenager back in the late 1960s, and I concluded that Revolutionary change in this country will be continually be thwarted by the failure of most people to comprehend the big picture.
Speaking of the big picture, I keep telling people about the 1898 Spanish/American War, which was desired and planned for by the US Government for decades prior to 1898; was promoted with propaganda, lies, and disinformation by a monopolist US media long before, during, and also after the S/A War; which was launched by the FALSE-FLAG BOMBING of the battleship Maine in Havana Harbor; which resulted in the US siezure of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Guam from Spain; which was followed by the Philippine/American War, in which 125,000 US troops occupied the Philippine and committed many atrocities, including the masscre of entire towns; and in which more than 4,000 US troops and between 200,000 and one million Philippinos were killed.
What I tell people is that the events and circumstances of the Spanish/American War prove that the Bush Administration is only the tip of the iceberg of US fascism — fascism which runs so deep that there is NO WAY that it can be eliminated without toppling the entire US government with a People’s Revolution and starting over completely from scratch.
I once read a blog comment by a dissenter who advocated creating a complex world-wide leftist secret society with layers of deniability, fronted by innocent-looking ornaizations which appeared to ‘work within the system’ for political, social, and economic change. What only a few insiders would know is that this international leftist secret society harbored and supported its own nebulous left-wing version of the CIA, including professional assassins whose assignments included killing right-wing politicians, military men, and business tycoons. “I just read that Will Gates died of a mysterious disease. How could that happen, when he was so young and so wealthy? Must have been all that travel to tropical developing countries.” I really like this idea. Where can I join up?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:16 am
dumb American;
You also serve the U.S. Government by working for them and giving them financial assisance via taxes.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am
Hey everyone,
Let’s forget about this and go buy things!! That always makes me happy.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am
Chuck…So why do you come here?
To point out that coming here is useless? Is that not useless as well?
Or is it that you just hate everyone? Including yourself.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
Chuck (Barris?) the disinformation rat on this forum, keeps guilt-tripping us about the taxes we are forced to pay for the support of the US government.
What I recommend is that people commit acts of sabotage and vandalism against government property and government instititions, causing enough dollar damage to more than compensate for whatever you pay in taxes. Makes you feel good to be starting the Revolution early, too.
Another way to thwart the government’s cradle-to-grave control of your finances is to bequeath your estate to anti-government organizations. I plan to leave my entire estate, currently valued at over half a million dollars, to some organizations in India that work to prevent Christian missionaries, US businesses, and the US government from operating within India. These anti-Christian and anti-American organizations in India use both legal and illegal means, and sometimes violence, to discourage and hopefully to prevent US, European, and Christian re-colonization of India.
I am forced against my wishes to pay taxes to the US government, which uses my money to fund Faith Based Charities, including Christian missionary work, in India and other countries. It’s good to know that after I die my estate will help fund groups that harry, harrass, and homicide the Christian missionaries to get them out of India. And given the disparities of income and the exchange rates, my modest contribution will buy a lot of harrassment and homicide against Christians, the US military, and US business interests within India.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:54 am
I’ve got some advice for all you conspiracy theorists out there. I don’t deny that the buildings were demolished with explosives (I believe they were planted by Mossad with the assistance of zionist Silverstein) or the possibility of cruise missiles and all that, but when you get into all these details you are just setting yourself up to be refuted. All that is needed is to prove that the government was complicit in 9-11. Just prove willful negligence. The Project for a New American Century documents prove motive, and even the 9-11 Commission Report describes the hijackers being observed throughout all their international travels all the way until they boarded the planes. There was no incompetence, it was WILLFUL NEGLIGENCE for the purpose of providing a pretext for military action in the Mideast. Keep it simple.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Chuck:
I am an American who specifically does not pay taxes, precisely *because* it would support killing and death and murder and I simply won’t have it. I would far rather go to jail for tax evasion than be even SLIGHTLY responsible for a single bomb killing a single child anywhere on Earth. I’ve done only contract work for seven years now (ever since they destroyed the economy in 2000), and to me, a 1099-R is just something to wipe my ass on. Death merchants can blow me.
So yes. There are some of us.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I agree with the concept that they would file some phony charges on Ivin, leak that information, then suicide this patsy to make it look as if he was guilty of the crime in order to protect Zack who is the real culprit(?) and I would look for Zack to be hit by some speeding carjacked vehicle or to suddenly die of a previously undiagnosed heart condition. Gus and Chuck…I’m actually with both of you guys and, short of you being provocateurs, typing Emails and squealing like little piggies (or sheeple!) is damn embarrassing to whatever real men that are out here that know in their hearts that we are being ignored and laughed at. These monsters and their orginizations have been doing this to us forever, and they will just change their names to some other alphabet acronym and will NEVER become human until we send them a MUCH stronger message!! I for one despise the fact that our traitorous politicians and their controllers will just run and hide into their underground bunkers which they have, of course, charged US for…as usual, and they think (they probably know!) that they will escape prosecution for their crimes in their rat-holes while we’ll all eat it up here on deck!! It is really hard to find people out here who are even paying attention, but something tells me that there are alot more people who are taking the path of least resistance but hopefully will bite pretty hard when finally angered into action. It won’t get any easier folks, and that spider will NOT get un-venomous because you want to be a nice person and just be left alone! If you are not really mad right now people…you are a damn sissy!
August 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Gus Schmidt:
You are SOOOO wrong! So wrong that you really do sound like a US government disinformation specialist paid to play the mole on this forum.
The ‘willful negligence’ charges that you recommend, even if they resulted in trials and sentences for the perpetrators, would be like applying a single bandaid to multiple deep wounds with massive internal bleeding. As soon as we would have tried and convicted the perpetrators, they would be pardoned and released.
Besides, convicting Bush, Cheney, and even the whole Bush Administration of ‘willful negligence’ would allow all the thousands of other perpetrators of the 9/11 false flag attacks to go free — free to continue their subversion of US democracy.
What we really need to do is topple the US government and replace it. We need a shooting, all-out, French-style Revolution in this country, complete with mass public executions of thousands of 9/11 perps on the Washington Mall, and many thousands of aristocrats being dragged from their homes and their cars by the mobs to face a peremptory ‘People’s Justice’.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
You cannot use democracy to restore democracy in a country that is no longer a democracy. Such as the USA.
That’s just one reason why we need a violent Revolution in the USA.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Talk about getting off topic – you basketcases haven’t said a word about the article in pages and pages of comments. Go to the damn forum if you want to spam….and try not to incriminate yourself.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
So Chuck, what’s your fucking excuse for spending so much of your time on this Forum that you have so much contempt for?
You keep trying to guilt-trip people for paying taxes, Chuck, but you never said that you have any objection to paying taxes yourself.
There are people who get paid by the US government or by Mossad to play the role of right-wing troll on forums like this, Chuck; if you’re not one of them, you’ll certainly do the job until one comes along.
If you’re not a paid troll, Chuck, and you’re dissing us on your own time and your own dime, that just means that you are a complete idiot, Chuck.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Gregory Fegel! My only hope, my only solution, is a violent revolution. A reason for the people to destroy.
I don’t disagree with you. My post was directed at people with a more pacifistic disposition than yourself (unfortunately, you seem to be in the minority). We need to attack on all fronts, using all means at our disposal.
I encourage you to keep honing your obvious talent for guerilla combat. If those other people fail (and they probably will) we are going to need as many like you as we can find.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Violent revolution is the ONLY way. They have everybody brought and paid for.
The only thing they listen to is the sound of guns. The only thing they respond to is threats against their own safety.
All you’d need to do is take one shot at the right person to put them in fear. It doesn’t even have to be Bush.
I’d like to see the Rockerfella’s or Marvin and Jeb Bush shot at. That would send chills through the ones responsible for 9/11.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Loons:
a lot of the off-topic stuff you’re reading here was posted by a few right-wing trolls, who were then challenged by genuine Truthers.
For those who think that we should just ignore the trolls, remember that there are a steady stream of genuine Truther newbies on these forums who could be misled by them, and there may therefore be some need for us to identify and ‘red flag’ the trolls when they appear. And also some need to counter their disinformation.
As to ‘incriminating onesself,’ I was visited at home by a pair of Secret Service (SS) agents more than four years ago because of my subversive writing, blogging, and comments on the Internet.
Which will NEVER STOP as long as I can continue doing it. I am PROUD to be their enemy, and I regard their visit as a ‘red badge of courage’ for me.
Remember the scenes in “Braveheart” where the rebel Scots stood in a line across from the English and shouted insults and threats against them before the real fighting started? That’s precisely the stage that we are in now. Any Truther who thinks that we should be hiding under our beds and whispering to each other isn’t operating on the same wavelength as me AT ALL.
You can read my articles and blogs here, here, here, and here:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/9480-0/
http://english.pravda.ru/opini.....-fascism-0
http://english.pravda.ru/opini.....s/82363-0/
http://gregoryfegel.sulekha.com/blog/posts.htm
August 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
“That’s just one reason why we need a violent Revolution in the USA”
Can Gregory who wrote the above provide a single instance in the last 200 years when “violent Revolution” has resulted in a demonstrable improvement? And why is the ‘R’ capitalized? Simple affectation?
Confining ourselves to the real world, here are specific instances of “violent revolutions” in modern times:
Russian – resulted in Bolshevik oppression killing several dozen million souls.
Nazi – self-explanatory.
Chinese – how’s that one working out?
Cuban – less violent, but Cuba is a an oppressive, economically backward ditch.
Cambodian – Pol Pot, a fervent believer in violent revolution, murdered 1/3 of his own countrymen in the name of revolution.
Countless violent revolutions in Africa from the 1950 – present. How are things going in Africa, genocide aside?
The historical record unconditionally mocks any notion that violent revolution is suitable way to uplift folks. Violent revolution gives you gulags, death camps, killing fields and general misery. It is, as such, an evil to be opposed.
Calls for violence, even ones issued by teenagers, certainly have no place whatsoever among the respectable millions composing the core of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Disinformation?
So most truthers and posters on this message board DON’T pay taxes to the criminal U.S. Government. Give me proof of that and I’ll happily concede the point. But I bet I’m right. LOL! You’re pushing more people away than are staying. They see what a hypocrit and coward you are by obeying the U.S. Government by giving them your hard earned income.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Publius! In your criticism of Gregory and his revolutionary ideas you failed to mention the American Revolution. But even if revolutions generally result in tragedy, you should not put the blame on people like Gregory. Place the blame where it belongs–on the corrupted people who make a revolution necessary in the first place, giving us no other option. I mean, you can take the abuse passively or respond actively. Which is more honorable? There is gong to be pain either way.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Hey Chuck, are u saying that you don’t surrender taxes to the criminals?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
How do we know for sure that Mr. Ivins really committed suicide? Especially being one of the country’s top biodefense researchers? I smell another rat in the pile. The plot thickens.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Publius:
American Revolution — you forgot to list that one. Some of us would agree with you that the American Revolution only caused problems and ultimately accomplished nothing also.
Russian Revolution — got rid of the totalitarian Czarists; most Jews supported the Russian Revolution, which stopped the pogroms against Jews.
There was no Nazi revolution. The Nazis were elected into power by the democratic process. Likewise the fascists in Italy.
Cuban Revolution — kicked out the US gangsters, gained Cuban independence from US exploitation. A lot of Cuba’s economic deficiency has been caused by the US blockade, which is now in its 49th year. Watch “Sicko” to see how much better the Cuban medical system is at serving the poor than the USA’s.
Chinese Revolution — Drove out the Japanese fascists, eliminated the despotic Warlords, brought equality and social reforms.
Cambodian Revolution — began after US Air Force saturation-bombed small cities throughout Cambodia, killing 500,000 civilians. Then the USA became the chief supporter of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. The USA gave the Khmer Rouge arms, supplies, food, training, and political support while the Khmer Rouge was murdering 3 million Cambodians.
Publius, do you object to black Africans independently governing themselves, or do you think they need white masters to do that?
Anyone who thinks that the US government can be saved from fascism by using peaceful demonstrations or the existing political and electoral process is a fool and a fascist tool.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Euphemism King! “Mr. Ivins”? “suicide”? What the hell are you talking about? Pick your target and talk some trash or go elsewhere. Sheesh!
August 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Mmmmm…great tasting Kool-Aid…
Sure, sure, of course I believe them that the dead guy did it. He can’t deny it. And they knew it all along. Funny how an internet search of Ivins only appears recently on NSA’s Google, but on other search engines, nada. The wayback machine has one unrelated entry. Convinced me.
Can I have some more Kool-Aid?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Chuck:
I stopped working for a paycheck more than a year ago. Nevertheless, each time I draw on my retirement savings, the US government subtracts 20% for Fed taxes. The law requires that 20% be subtracted for Fed taxes, or no disbursement of funds is allowed. They also subtract 6% for State taxes before sending each distribution of my savings.
I haven’t filed a Federal or State tax return for the past two years. I should, really, because they actually owe me a refund of at least several thousand dollars from 2006. I just haven’t been able to stomach filling out their forms.
Believe me, if there ever is a Revolution, I plan to settle a lot of personal scores, including financial or economic ones, with the government, both Federal and local.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
All the good guys are being killed off while the criminals gain more power and control. I often wondered why it took so long for the JFK truth to come out until after I read that dozens of key witnesses and researchers died (were murdered) during the few years after the incident. There was no one left to uncover the truth! If the good guys keep taking it on the chin rather than fight fire with fire, then the bad guys will win.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
BTW, Publius, the American Revolution, which provided the original inspiration for all of the Revolutions of the past 234 years, was among the LEAST ‘justified’ of all those Revolutions.
By that I mean that the political circumstances, living conditions, and grievances of the pre-Revolutionary American Colonists were far less odius than those of most of the Revolutionary movements that followed throughout the world during the subsequent 234 years. There is a good argument that the wealthy ‘Founding Fathers’ who signed the Declaration of Independence were mainly seeking their own personal economic gain when they agitated for independence from Britain.
Also, when speaking of a ‘revolution’ in generic terms, one does not capitalize the word, but when speaking of an historical or a planned overthrow of government, it is customary and acceptable to capitalize the word Revolution. In the USA today we definitely have a Revolutionary movement that is planning a Revolution.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Washington has lost all credibility, cant believe a word they say, and the mainstream media helps hide the truth from us…thank goodness for the internet…
August 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Heimlich:
I never really studied the JFK assassination until after I realized that 9/11 was a false-flag attack committed by the US government. 9/11 taught me that if the US government would commit an atrocity like 9/11, then they would be capable of almost ANY atrocity.
So I researched the JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, and RFKjr assassinations and I learned that all of them were committed by the US government. I also learned that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident; Berlin Disco Bombing; 1993 WTC bombing; Oklahoma City bombing; the Bali, Madrid, London 7/7 bombings, were ALL false-flag attacks. As were many of the major bombings committed against Israeli interests throughout the world during the past 60 years of Israel’s sorry existence. The first major US false-flag bombing was that of the US Maine in 1898.
More recently, the Jaipur, Ahmedhabad, and Kabul Embassy bombings all appear to be false-flag attacks by the USA, which seeks to stir up trouble between India and Pakistan. There is tremendous profit potential for the USA in arming and supporting both sides during a Pakistani-Indian War. That is exactly what the USA did during the Iran-Iraq War, which was one of the deadliest conflicts of the 20th Century, in which more than one million people died, and in which the USA and European governments supplied internationally-illegal chemical and biological weapons to BOTH sides.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Footnote: for those who believe that the global elite are planning to reduce the world’s population by 80%, remember that the most profitable way to accomplish that is by setting various nations up to make savage war against each other. That way they kill each other off while the global elite make a fortune selling them weapons and supplies.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
When Revolution does come to the USA, to achieve victory, in fact to even SURVIVE, the Revolutionaries will need to completely disable the electrical grid, the communications network, the transportation system, and most of the infrastructure of government and business throughout the entire country.
Why? Because the government, the military, and big business use all of these things to maintain their power and control, and we will never succeed without making ‘business as usual’ impossible for them on almost every level that exists. The Revolutionary strategy must be of necessity one of ’scorched earth’.
Failure by the Revolutionaries to achieve total destruction of the infrastructure and to achieve total victory against the fascists is likely to result in a facist revival that will be very deadly for the Revolutionaries and their cause. Thus, embarking on Revolution will be a one-way path through total domestic war with no possibility of ever turning back.
Judgement and punishment of fascists and their collaborators will need to be done with a great deal of ‘prejudice’ and with a broad sweep. We will need to tell the fascists who plead for a ‘fair trial’ that they missed their chance for playing nice before they caused us to revolt, and now it is too late to plead for such niceties. We simply cannot afford to be merciful; and no exceptions.
Extreme and massive elimination of the fascists must be accomplished if we do not want to fight the same hard battles over again five, ten, or twenty years later against those we foolishly permitted to escape. All of the facsists and their helpers must die, and we must err on the side of too many executions, rather than too few.
I say all of this now because those on both sides should know these things well before we commence the war. The government and its supporters need to be told, here and now, that the direction they are headed in will lead to a People’s Revolution that will include the complete destruction of nearly all American institutions and infrastructure, and the wholesale extermination of all those who have served in leadership roles in the US government, the US military, and US corporations. At the very least.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Let’s see now, was Bruce Ivins a Muslim terrorist? Why would he do such a thing? They are trying to tell us that a normal , respected scientist, decided to send anthrax to a bunch of people and kill them for no particular reason. (glad he got that guy who took the unflattering picture of Bush’s drunk daughter) Are we expected to just swallow all this nonsense?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
My father worked at Fort Detrick. He had access to many “drugs and chemicals”. He used to bring them home when any livestock needed to be “put-down”. I don’t believe that a scientist with access to chemicals used Tylenol with codeine to commit suicide!
August 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
These things always seem to happen on Bushes watch don’t they?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I recommend watching the old PBS miniseries “The Fall of Eagles” if you can find a copy. Peter Stewart (of Star Trek fame) delivers a fabulous performance as Vladimir Lenin. You will learn that the Czarist government frequently committed false-flag attacks against the government and the population, which it then blamed on anti-government forces. In several well-documented instances, this included false-flag attacks on members of the Russian Royal Family and other aristocrats.
Watching “The Fall of Eagles” helped me to understand that the Russian Revolutionaries of 1917, whose fragile and yet-incomplete Revolution was already threatened by royalist White Russian troops who were loyal to the Czar and also by a hostile invasion of anti-Revolutionary US and British troops at Archangel in northern Russia, really hadn’t much choice but to execute the Czar and his entire family in 1918. The Czar and his progeny had to be eliminated to ensure that they did not survive to provide a heir to the Czarist throne for proCzarist forces to rally around.
In the West we are taught to feel great sympathy for Anastasia and the other unfortunate members of the Russian Royal Family who died with the Czar. Like all the Kings and Queens of Old Europe, Nicholas truly believed himself to be God’s chosen ‘Father of the Russian People’, and he would not tolerate any critcism of his authoritarian rule. However, by being a very poor and abusive ‘Father’ to the Russian People, Nicholas eventually brought down the violent wrath of the Russian People on himself and his whole family.
In my opinion, Nicholas was not just a lousy ‘Father’ to the Russian People, he was also a lousy and irresponsible father to his own immediate family, who were all executed with Nicholas by Russian Revolutionaries in a basement in 1918. It was Nicholas who placed his family in harms’ way and kept them in harms’ way from the 1890s until their collective deaths in 1918. It was the conceit, the arrogance, the ignorance, the lack of compassion, and the cruelty of Czar Nicholas that caused the execution of his family by Russian Revolutionaries, who were simply doing what they needed to do in the circumstances that they were in.
If Revolution comes to the USA, we will need to do to the USA’s government leaders, military officers, and business tycoons what the Russian Revolutionaries did to the Czar and his family. They must all be eliminated to safeguard the success of the Revolution. None can be permitted to escape to foreign contries, where they might conspire to raise anti-Revolutionary forces for a counterRevolutionary invasion.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
PATRICK Stewart, you mean
August 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
ellie mae:
I agree with you. I’m a trained anatomist who formerly taught that subject, and I also worked as an RN in an acute care setting at a large urban hospital for more than 20 years.
On overdose of Codeine is likely to put a person into a deep stupor or sleep which might last for 24 hours or more, but it can be speedily reversed in any hospital ER with an administration of IV Narcan.
Tylenol in large doses is highly toxic to the liver and those who attempt suicide with Tylenol often wind up dying a slow agonizing death in extreme pain over a period of many weeks, with little hope of recovery without a liver transplant.
It’s hard to imagine a world-class biochemist being stupid enough to attempt suicide using a small bottle of Tylenol with Codeine.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Nepthys: Right you are. Patrick Stewart, of course. My head is still quite fuzzy from too many recent all-nighters writing. The night before last I was up all night writing a review of a local production of “Two Gentlemen of Verona.” And I here confess that I never was a Star Trek fan, but I think that Stewart was wonderful in “Moby Dick.”
August 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Hi Alex And Friends!
As you are probably aware many bio-scientists have been dying over the last few years. Check with George Noory at Coast To Coast AM.
Eddy A.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
GregoryFegel wrote: “If Revolution comes to the USA, we will need to do to the USA’s government leaders, military officers, and business tycoons what the Russian Revolutionaries did to the Czar and his family. They must all be eliminated to safeguard the success of the Revolution.”
“Safeguard” the same revolution that crumbled from within based on he will of those revolted at the regime, but not after it killed many millions of its own people, cannibalized its early leaders, crushed freedom, created gulags, ruined the environment and destroyed prosperity — you’d “safeguard” a regime like that by mass murdering Americans? OK. Would you state for the record you’d start this bloodbath with the liquidation of your own mother, father, and siblings, by your own hand?
As I said, the 9/11 Truth Movement has taken huge steps to utterly disavow violence and armchair provocateurs. 9/11 Truth is about the preservation of truth and freedom in America and abroad.
“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”
—- Isaac Asimov
August 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I think he’s thinking more along the lines of JFK’s quote, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” JFK was a big fan of Henry David Thoreau.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
“obsolete tomfoolery”
August 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Does anyone here know the difference between civil and criminal IRS proceedings? Does anyone know how the IRS determines whether to charge fraud vs. neglect? I’ll tell you how; they base it on the person’s rationale. If you intentionally fail to file because you advocate the abolition of income tax and the IRS, you will likely face tax fraud, a CRIMINAL offense. Someone on here is taunting everyone to quit paying their taxes. If you are on this website spouting hatred toward the IRS and you have failed to pay federal income tax, I’d be very careful. Should you be criminally charged, any tax savings will quickly be lost through asset forfeiture and legal services due to the complicit federal juduciary. The path to change is to unite as a people with a common voice and abolish unlawful taxation though election of those who represent our will. Pressure must be applied externally to facilitate internal change. We’ll get there. Be patient but relentless and we’ll get there. Support Constitutionalists like Dr. Ron Paul, and it will become a shorter trip to victory.
August 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pm
To find the proper context all you really have to do is google the name Frank Olsen + Ft. Detrick. You will find out how this innocent man was suicided after being given LSD at a CIA kaffee klatch. He had a bad reaction to being experimented on and his handlers were worried he might go public about what had been done to him. While you’re at it google MKULTRA.
One could also view swabbing one’s work area for anthrax a reaction to the worry that you might be being set up to take the fall by those in the position to do so. You wouldn’t want to tell anyone because what if you are just being paranoid?
Call me suspicious. The jury is still out as far as I am concerned. Oh yeah! There will never be a jury. Slap! How bloody convenient.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Chalk up another mysterious “suicide” for the neo-cons.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Hatfill is a known former Rhodesian merc and bio-chem warfare technician, and is suspected of spreading AIDS in Africa…Ivins very well have been suicided, given the vicious and venal nature of the Frederick County responders (serving Detrick, FEMA HQ, Camp David, etc.)..Don’t take an ambulance ride in Fred Co. if you threaten the power elite!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
This is in reply to the extremist hardline Communist language by Gregory Fegel:
So, you talk about how the “elite” of the world want to eliminate 80% of the world’s population, yet you say that you approve of killing about 25% of the population of the world (meaning, you approve of killing “fascists” and their sympathizers). How contradictory of you! I don’t like fascists either, but murder? Geezus.
You cannot approve of peace and war at the same time. You cannot achieve a long term society of love through mass murder. The answer is LIBERTY. The answer is written in our Constitution. It’s unfortunate that many people on this website are so quick to judge the Freemasons, yet the very document which you claim to love was conceived by Freemasons. They believed in Liberty. They believed in Truth as LIGHT. You have all been misguided if you believe for one minute that Freemasons are your enemy. I am a Freemason. Your enemies are both major political party machines, large greedy corporations and their chairmen and chairwomen, and the propaganda controlled religious institutions such as the charismatic “megachurches” that retain as members many of whom you and I call “neoconservatives and neoliberals”. You have confused good fraternities like the Odd Fellows and Freemasons with the “power supreme” fraternities like Scroll and Key and Skull and Bones, many of which are truly sinister and greedy in nature because they do choose the individuals who get to have a shot at governmental power- Freemasons do not.
Communists and Fascists are BOTH wrong. And we cannot allow either one to rule this nation any longer. But bloodshed will only reserve us a place in a soulless eternity of darkness and pain. We must return to the vision of our Founders, and have a nation with a Creator as its capstone and Morality as its structure. Without this, America will have seen its final days, and we cannot allow that to happen.
Feel free to discuss anything about Liberty or Freemasonry with me at http://www.myspace.com/jdodson7 or via email at jasondodson_inc@yahoo.com .
August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Publius:
The 9/11 Truth movement is not now, and it never was, the sole property of peaceniks like yourself. You are entitled to your opinions, but I am equally entitled to mine.
We tried the peaceful approach back during the Viet Nam War and IT DIDN”T WORK. It is a complete falsehood and revisionist history to say that the antiWar movement ended the Viet Nam War. We didn’t end shit. LBJ, Nixon, Agnew, McNamara, Westmoreland, and all the other US government leaders always said that the antiWar movement had no effect on their decisions, and all of their actions prove that statement to be true. The real credit for ending the Viet Nam War goes to the brave, tenacious, and resilient Viet Namese people finally drove the US fascists from their country.
The USA is the fascist cesspool you see today because 40 years ago there were too many cowardly, naive, and ignorant peacniks like you who didn’t realize that US fascism could NEVER be stopped or ended peacefully. Maybe you are happy living peacefully with US Imperialism and fascism, but I’m not. You’re just a facsist appeaser who would have the Hitlers of this world walk all over us because of your pacifistic bullshit philosophy. Your pacifist crap is what allows the US fascists to continue their murders and exploitation of vulnerable populations throughout the world.
As a peacenik, you are a fascist collaborator and you DO NOT possess the moral high ground. You and Gandhi and Jesus can turn the other cheek if you want, but I feel a very real and unstoppable responsibility to avenge in kind the many millions of ghosts of the Philippinos, the Indonesians, the Viet Namese, the Cambodians, the Guatemalans, the Iraqis, the Afghanis, the Chilean and Argentine ‘disappeared’, the victims of Mai Lai, Kent State, Jackson State, Wounded Knee, and Falujah.
The ongoing 234 year-long murder spree of the evil, facsist USA must be stopped, and you peaceniks are NOT going to be the people who stop it. Death to the fascist USA and to all who seek to defend it!
August 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Tom Bowers….What are you talking about?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Hey Greg,have you ever read the book Animal Farm? Your argument sounds very familiar.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Dr Jason Dodson,
you say that you don’t condone murder, but your willingness to stand by and allow the fascist US government to continue committing many millions of murders all over the world proves that YOU DO condone murder.
During the past 60 years the USA has led the world in murdering innocent foreigners — more than 20 million so far, and still counting. The USA directly killed 500,000 Cambodians in the mid 1970s, and the USA was the chief supporter and arms supplier of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, who murdered 3 million people with the assistance of the USA.
The USA helped kill a million Indonesians in the 1960s, 3 million Viet Namese during the Viet Nam War, 200,000 Guatemalans in the 1980s, and the USA armed both sides (including providing chemical and biological weapons) during the Iran/Iraq War that killed over a million people.
I did not say, I never did say, and I do not believe, that the ruling elite plan to exterminate 80% of the world’s population. Many other people who visit this forum believe that, but I don’t. Why would the ruling elite want to eliminate most of the slaves and the consumers of their products?
Yes, I do believe that a violent Revolution and the killing of ALL known and suspected fascists is the ONLY WAY that the 234 year-old fascist control of the USA can ever be eliminated. And if that requires killing 50%, or 80%, or even 95% of the US population, I say, “Bring it on!” US fascism must be stopped, regardless of the cost in lives.
The US Constitution is irrelevant because the fascist US government ignores it, and they have ALWAYS ignored it. I’m not in awe of the Constitution because it has always been ignored by our government, so no one can say that it gives citizens much real ‘protection’. Unregulated Capitalism has been allowed to ruin this country and most of the world.
Without a violent Revolution, US fascism will continue unabated indefinitely, and your sissy pacifist approach will not accomplish anything. Also, let me remind you that Freemasons were prominent leaders of both the American and French Revolutions, both of them extremely violent affairs. Grow a spine, man. And a brain.
Go back to your childish Freemason rituals, Dr Jason Dodson. You and your kind are useless at best and also dangerous because of your apathetic complicity with institutionalized evil and crime.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Most US citizens are a lot like the wives of Mafia gangsters. As long as conditions at home are peaceful and prosperous, they are quite willing to ignore what their husband does for a living. He can murder and abuse millions of innocent foreigners, but as long as he treats his own family relatively well, his wife does not criticize his occupation.
Likewise, as long as most US citzens are prosperous and are content with their own state of relative domestic liberty, they are happy to let Uncle Sam continue his murderous fascist abuses abroad. As the famous gangster motto states, “You don’t shit where you live.”
I elaborate on this theme in my essay “The Godfather USA,” the first paragraph of which is quoted below.
http://english.pravda.ru/opini.....-fascism-0
To be an American citizen is very much like being the child of a wealthy and unscrupulous criminal ‘Godfather,’ who appears to be kind and generous to his own children at home, but is unflinchingly treacherous and murderous in conducting his family business, which is based on coercion, domination, exploitation, and violence. The average US citizen enjoys prosperity and relative freedom, but US prosperity derives in large part from the criminal exploitation of, and frequently the outright murder of, millions of innocent people in developing countries throughout the world. Most US citizens choose to remain in a perpetual state of denial regarding the criminal activities of their government, because they lack the courage and the character to learn and face the truth. An unquestioning acceptance of the values, motives, and goals of the US government by the majority of US citizens allows those citizens to be easily fooled and manipulated by the propaganda presented to them by the US government and by the US government-controlled ‘Mainstream Media.’
August 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm
i feel very exposed to an unwanted and comming reality in which i am not thoughly or even remotely ready. without a mile deap underground lair and an air force, and sattilite systems and missiles…ect. whats a soul to do?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:29 pm
The Capitalist propaganda says that ‘communism doesn’t work’. Well, it’s become pretty obvious now that the unregulated Capitalism and fascism of the USA doesn’t work either.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm
all roads lead to Rome they control it all…Rothchilds are the Vatican bankers.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 am
zephie:
try not to panic or stress out. Remember that there have always been ruthless wealthy exploiters in control of government and business throughout history; nothing new there. And in times of dramatic social change or upheaval, almost no one can predict what will actually happen. So just do your best and be prepared to respond quickly, if need be, to unexpected events.
Practice and improve your survival skills, especially your ‘poor person’ survival skills. When I was in my early 20s I read a half dozen books about wild edible plants and before long I was teaching classes about it. Since then, I have never worried about having sufficient greens in my diet, ’cause I see them everywhere I go.
Learn to simplify your needs, keep a small stock of essentials handy for hard times, arrange for a few places you can find retreat and shelter with friends, learn to travel light, and practice healthy diet and fitness routines. All of these suggestions are things that we should all be doing in ordinary times and circumstances anyway, to reduce our stress and maximize our everyday enjoyment of life.
Educate yourself. Knowledge is power. The more I learn the more ‘different’ from other people I become, which can often be frustrating, but I still wouldn’t trade my knowledge for ANYTHING.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:23 am
zephie:
if you haven’t done so already, start vegetable gardening and keep at it. Read books or ask for help if you need it. Knowing how to grow most of your own food gives you a greater feeling of confidence and control over your life, and less of a feeling of helplessness in facing the prospect of hard times and adversity.
I used to be the garden manager at vegetarian meditation retreat centers in remote locations in Oregon and in B.C.. In gardens that measured about 100 feet square, we grew an excess of vegetables for twenty full time residents, and we had no difficulty at all feeding 100 people from our gardens during several 10-day meditation retreats.
We traded our surplus veggies with neighboring dairy farmers for fresh milk, we loaded vistors’ cars with veggies, and we also donated produce to a Nursing Home every week. I developed my own techniques for growing the maximum amount of produce in a given area, using the least amount of water, and my methods were highly successful. I have never had pest problems of any kind in any of my many totally organic gardens.
Learn to grow buckwheat and sunflower seedlings in one or two-inch deep trays of dirt in a sunny window; that method will supply you with fresh, nourishing salad greens all through the cold months of winter. Fresh greens, especially wild greens, are loaded with Vitamin C and A.
I don’t mean to pitch vegetarianism per se, but learning to get along on a vegetarian diet is a survival skill that will make you worry less about getting enough meat. I could get along quite well for a very long time eating wild greens and chicken scratch. In fact, I would lose some weight and get more fit in the process, and come out healthier than I was before!
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 am
Gregory,
In NO way do I condone what has happened many times in American history at the hands of our own government and corporations. Slavery, the displacement and genocide of Native Americans, the Civil War and unjust treatment of minorities, the inequalities of the values of labor between the sexes, Hitler (and the financing of the Nazis by certain American businesses and certain government officials) Hiroshima and Nagasaki, JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X, Lennon, the 1963 and 1981 Coup d’Etats and the attempted Ford, Carter, and Reagan assassinations, Vietnam, Guatemala, Iraq/Iran, the Russian apartment bombings, 911, Iraq2, and many many more….all disgusting, immoral, horrible acts of violence and murder that were brought about by communists and fascists. And let’s not forget the non-fascist evils in the world- Idi Amin, the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli conflicts, the radical Islamists, the Janjaweed, the Soviet genocides, the Chinese genocides, the Native Central and South American human sacrifices, etc, etc, etc, I could go on for days about the evils in this world, but all of the evils in this world are not to be pinned on one certain political philosophy. Many are guilty.
I have fought my entire life for the cause of freedom, and not just running my mouth on the internet. I have been in the political trenches. I know what’s out there. I work for an organization that is hell-bent on getting the truth.
And for your information, the “rituals” that you speak of are harmless and innocent and many times at meetings we don’t even perform them. I have a brain, and I have a spine, but I’m not going to harm the human lifeforce. I am a human life-absolutist. I don’t believe in the death penalty, I don’t believe in abortion, I don’t believe in war, and I don’t believe in murder. And if one believes in a Creator, they should believe as I do. I understand that this isn’t a perfect world. But we must try to purify the spirits of all human beings because at the root of our spirit is the life seed that is inherently GOOD- it is our material body that ultimately causes our negative actions and reactions.
And the 5th paragraph of your reply to me should be reported to NSA. I don’t know you, and I surely don’t know if you have an arsenal from which to carry out such acts. From the tone of your language, I can tell you obviously do not have any respect for the lives of Americans who are innocent.
Keep on believing this violently radical extremist doctrine, and see where it gets you. I don’t know how old you are, but when I was a teenager, I believed as you do. I thought that the only way to change anything was through a violent revolution. It drove me crazy and gave me anxiety and OCD attacks, made me lose focus on my personal life and well-being, and made me lose sight of the beautiful things around me and blessings that I had. Life is precious. I learned that when I had to hold a dying friend of mine when he was shot in a drive-by. From that day forward, it has been my goal to get in the system and act as a debugging agent so that justice is served to those who wish to inflict harm on the innocent. I can pick off a half-dollar from 850 feet on sloping terrain with no IR or sight assistance, yet I have no weapons in my possession. One day, you will understand why I learned to be as you call a “sissy” because I do believe in high technologies to eliminate immediate threats so long as there is little or no deaths of innocents. And I do agree with you that unregulated capitalism has been very bad for the cause of true freedom in America and the world. But all of these things are no reason for you or I to lower ourselves to their level and kill. If everyone did as you said in paragraph 5, there would be no order in the world at all, the people could not rule efficiently due to widespread destruction and chaos, disease and hunger would set in, and the entire globe would relapse into another dark age. The best way to have a revolution is through worldwide people’s states with weak central governments for operational purposes only. If good, honest, moral people can get in the governments, and cooperatively and peacefully make logical and rational changes to financial and social systems where the rich are happy and the poor and middle classes become rich through their contiuation of production of goods and services and also by reevaluating currency standards globally, then we can achieve the dream. It is VERY possible, and closer to reality that you may think.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:17 am
Dr Jason Dodson:
the fact that you would cooperate with the NSA for any reason proves that you are a fascist. You tolerate State-sponsored violence and Terrorism, but you oppose those who would defy or attack the State.
If I thought or believed that all people were like you, worthless sack of shit that you are, I would have nothing to do with trying to help any of you. Thank God that many people are not like you. Piss on you and your fascist collaboration.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:35 am
Dr. Jason Dodson is a Freemason cultist, fascist, and disinformation agent who trolls this website and reports bloggers to the National Security Administration.
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:28 am
These energy weapon are classified as weapons of mass destruction. Just like nuclear bombs and anthrax. The can’t be taken out of a inventory or our arsenal with out the written consent of the president.
There is a paper trail. The president has to sign an executive order. Once he signs that ” Executive Order “. It becomes part of our national archive. It can not be destroyed.
When ever they take this beam weapon system out and use it. There is a paper trail of who had it when and every thing they did with. A log. They take notes. They file reports.
Every one in Washington , the military , FBI, and the main stream news knows about the ” Executive Order “.
The only government on the face of the plaint that has this technology is the U.S. Government. And the only person on the face of the planet that has authorization to give the command to use it. Is the president of the United States.
Our national missile defence System is a beam weapon system.
The commander and chief. Used the full strength and force of our Military and destroyed the Twin Towers On 9/11.
In 1986 When Lyndon LaRouch was trying to get funding.
The brag was that this weapon system was more powerful than nuclear bombs. They could cut a battle ship in half with it. They could cut skyscraper in to with.
They made a film. They built a two story building of concrete and steel. They shot it with the beam weapon system Photographed it with high speed photograph. With in the blink of an eye. It turned into dust. They showed the film to congress. They also show the film on the five o- clock evening news. I saw it on PBS.
In 1998. The U.S. Navy tested the system. A satellite came up off the deck of a ship. When up for 100 miles. ( outer space.) Staged it’s self. And shot down a missile that was 100 miles off. I read about in the Houston Chronicle.
They can’t tell you that they don’t have a weapon system that is fully capable of turn building in to dust. That was up and running on 9/11. And produce the damming tattletale evidence that it produces. Because they do.
Every one in Washington knew about the weapon system that can turn building in to dust. They knew about the test. In 1998. They knew that they were up and running on 9/11.
Here is what you are missing. The history. And the money trail.
Al Gore lobby for funding for NASA’s BPP.
They got the funding form the D.O.D. and D.O.E. When Bush became president. He cut the funding and shout down the program.
The energy people and the industrial Military complex. Knew about the technology back in 1986. They would only allow congress To spend 3-4 billion dalliers a year form the black box projects. They wouldn’t give the money to deploy the system.
The energy people and military people. Knew that this technology makes all other forms of energy obsolete. And that it makes all other forms of weapon obsolete.
They felt that if they deployed this system It would be before the eyes of the public.
And it wouldn’t take the public very long to find out what they where doing. And they would be out of business.
Busch marching order were coming from the people that got him elected. He shout downs Al Gores alternative source of energy. Manipulate gravity.
But he when against the energy and military people and used it before the eyes of the public. Why did he do that?
He had to get past the energy and military people to get the funding to deploy the energy weapon system.
After 9/11 Bush spoke the American people.
He said the terrorism is a special kind of war fare. America needs a special kind of weapon system to fight it. He got 250 billion to Deploy the system.
What the energy and military people feared would happened. Now every body and his dog knows what happened on 9/11. I told every body. For eight years now. I have been telling every body.
What kind of person could have been lead to believe that they could do some thing like 9/11. And no one would every be able to find out what happened. Now every body knows.
Where what happened. The energy and military people where hot. They threaten to tell the American people what he did. Black mail. Sure.
Bush agreed to give them what they wanted.
They wanted a war that never ends. So that they could have war time profiteering that never ends. They got it.
The oil people wanted 10 dollar a gallon for gas and diesel. They got.
Bush invited the prince os Saudi Arabia to his ranch in Texas.
And made a deal with the Price. To not raise his production that was at then. And when the demand for crud oil rises. The price of crud oil would reach 200 dollar barrel summer’s end.
Bush had to have the executive powers of a war time sitting president in order to shout down any investigation of how he got elected in the first place. Changing the 1965 Voters Right Act so they could purge peoples names of the register voter’s list. And rigged the election.
If you take all that you know and all that I know. And what every body else knows.
It would still be the tip of the ice burg of what all they have done.
(3) Home work? After you find who all has lied to you and how much they have lied to you. To keep this technology hidden from the eyes of the people. Then we should get together and talk about who needs to do the home work.
(4) If you lie and kill in order to steal every thing that they can possible steal from you. If you steal another man money. It causes hard feeling. At this late date and time. A sad state of a fairs. There is nothing in the rule book. That states that I have to be nice.
(5) Bush wanted some thing in return. There is a video where Bush asked the press not to print any storeys that would cause a conflict of interest with his administration. And got it.
The very same people that were blackmailing Bush. Threatening to tell the American people the truth about 9/11. Big Energy people and the Big Military people. Are also the same people that own the main stream media. Bush wanted their help in covering up what he did on 9/11. And got it. One hand washes the other. When they sleep at night. They all lie in the same bed.
(6) This is why there is a black out about 9/11. And this is why when ever any ones says any thing about 9/11. You are striking a nerve. They are hot about this subject. They can’t let the truth be known. They all come and jump on you at the same time. Like a wild pack of dogs.
(7)Their cover up is not working any more. Their lies aren’t working any more. Their on their way down. We know it. They know it. The number of stories that one can read about on how the Bush era is coming to an end. Are on the rise. It’s only a mater of time. Every body that was covering for Bush is now turning on Bush in order to save their on necks. Every Body.
(8) At this time. The people that are insiders That have access to insider info. Half of them are turning state’s evidence to what they know. The other half are blackmailing Bush for what ever they can get out of him. They are milking this man dry.
I followed the yellow brick road. The trail of evidence.
What it would be like to fly off down into the mouth of a wormhole.
Dr. Hawking said that when ever you fly off in to the mouth of a worm hole. Space becomes curved. It will have an effect on gravity.
But what most people don’t know is that it also effects the other forces of nature.
It’s not Gravity that you look for. Gravity doesn’t leave behind any physical evidence. Gravity is not real.
Gravity and curved space are two different things.
Curved space doesn’t leave behind any evidence. Curved space is not real.
The effects or damage that curved space will have on objects. Is big. And can be tracked. Objects are real.
The every large array of effects that curved space has on all of the four forces of nature. It will effect Gravitational force. It will effect the electro magnetic force. And it will have an effect on the strong and weak nuclear force.
Hawking said that when ever you fly off in to the mouth of a worm hole. Space becomes curved. It will have an effect on gravity.
But when you move a little deeper down the mouth of the wormhole. Space becomes curved to the point that it over rides the electro magnetic force. Atoms become rip from atoms. It free up the electron so that it will inter act with the electron of other atoms. A chemical effect.
( If you heat some thing up. It will cause an catalytic effect on chemicals.
If you curve space you can get the very same catalytic effect on elements. Like rust Chemical reactions. Rocks and steel will turn to dust. Compounds that will not burn become flammable. Like high carbon steel. Steal beams. Car engines. And people. If you used curve space to rip the carbon atom from the iron atom. It will burn. If you use curved space to rip the oxygen atom from the hydrogen atom in water. Water will burn. People are 70% water. Where did the people go?)
If you take a steel beam. You can take curved space and make the steel beam turn from a solid state to a liquid state. Then go into dust. Then go into very fine dust. Then make the fine dust turn into light.)
If you go down the mouth of a worm hole. Space becomes curved to the point that it can over ride the strong and weak nuclear force. It can produce the very same catalytic effect as temperature does. But curved space can do the same thing at room temperature.( the nucleus of one atom will inter act with the nucleus of other atoms. It will produce a radon particle. It can produce compound That will form only if the is the presents of a radon particle)
If you go a little further down the mouth of a worm hole. Space becomes curved to the point that atoms their self become rip apart. ( It’s the same thing as smashing the atom. It will produce a nuclear reaction. Produces A photon, an electron and a radon particle. It will produce massive amounts of radon particles. It will produce an electro magnetic pulse. People would get sun burn. The film in stores and in peoples camera would get exposed.
The very same large array of effect that curved space will have on the four forces found in nature.
Is the very same very large array of abnormal evidence that was produced and found on 9/11. And around the temples of old.
One million ton of concrete and steel turned in to nano size dust particles with in ten seconds at room temperature. People and cars flew through the air. Radio and T.V. stopped working. And it produce a nuclear reaction with out having any nuclear fuel present. Or leaving any radio active wast or fall out?
the amount of energy needed to produce all of the evidence that day . Goes straight through the roof.
The energy to rip that many atoms apart. Would be huge.
The temperature in the ranges that would have to be there in order to produce the catalytic effect on the electro magnetic force and the nuclear force. Would have to be hotter than th surface of the sun. Not even the temperature of a supper nova can produce the temperatures. To produce the compounds and elements that is found in the evidence.
Can curvatures of space produce the evidence that was produce that day? Sure.
It would take a worm hole. Who’s got them? We do.
History, the laws of nature. And the truth are written in stone. They never lie. The truth all ways come bubbling to the top in the end.
This evidence is like it calling card.
It’s signature.
It DNA.
It’s finger prints.
It is a evidence that can not be mistaken for some thing else. It can not be dismissed. It can not be denied.
The very broad effect that curved space has on all of the forces of nature. The gravitational force the electromagnetic force, the strong and weak nuclear forces.
That produced the damming large array of ” Abnormality’s ” of the damming tattletale evidence that was produced on 9/11.
http://drjudywood.com/
Loose DEW weapons?
Loose nukes?
Loose anthrax?
Loose screw? Sure
” Executive Order “? Sure.
George Bush? Sure.
It is part of history now.
Impeach Bush now. Sure.
Larry L. Burks
http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:17 am
“The path to change is to unite as a people with a common voice and abolish unlawful taxation though election of those who represent our will.”
Actually, the path to change is to stop contracting with the IRS. Find out what the basis of your contracts with all government agencies really is.
There is no such thing as an involuntary contract. It cannot exist in law. Become wise to the coercive tactics employed. Ron Paul cannot make you wise – only you can do that.
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:04 am
“We will lead every revolution against us”
Those advocating a violent revolution on this forum should take note of the above quote by Theodor Herzl. especially when dealing with a ‘domestic’ enemy. Violent opposition has been anticipated for a long time by those in power, as many mainstream media articles of the last few years infer.
“Evil has every advantage but one – imagination.” W. H. Auden
Doing exactly what ‘evil’ expects plays straight into their hands. So what is the answer?
Power cannot exist without your consent. We give our power away constantly due to a (very deliberate) lack of education on the subject. Any honest, reality-addressing school curriculum would educate children as to their relationship to the state. Children would grow up in the full knowledge that the US is in fact a federal corporation and that a contract is required between the state and the individual for any legislation to be applicable to each ‘citizen’.
The people whose rule over us we so bitterly complain about know full well that without consent-empowered legislation they are nothing. All of their power is derived in this way and then enforced by people who know next to nothing about the truth of the system they serve, merely to make a living.
The answer is to dismantle the support structure from the bottom up through education – first our own – and then others. As truth rather than ideology will be used to achieve this it will be impossible to replace the existing structure with yet another inhuman ideology. Most of those who serve the system still posess a functioning conscience which can be appealed to. I know – I’ve successfully done just this, as have many others. Wisdom, not hot-headed, reactionary passion, is the father of peace.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 am
Frank, I know what you are saying, but if there are enough of us, violence will work. So what if that is what they expect? This country wasn’t founded, and change within it didn’t happen wthout it. Just think if someone had taken out the major players in the top tiers by now? The ones with the big banks-The Federal Reserve scum? Maybe things would be different if they all knew they had a target on their back. All this scum like the people who keep insisting to let the illegals get their way and push laws to legalize them? Their are certain people we can point to. I am so tired of talk. I want the dang men to grow something in the nether region and DO something. No one is doing anything to help except Alex, We ARE Change, and those of us who will pass out DVDs. How long is being nice about things like this going to work? Obviously we can’t even get that murderer Bush impeached through the right cannels. They all cover for themselves. Why is Pelosi the final word on whether an impeachment can happen? Since when does one person have such power? We just can’t get the scum gone through namby-pamby ways, as we are seeing. They NEED to fear they will be snatched and dealt with or they’ll keep driving this country further in the hole.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 am
I was looking at your web page about 9/11.
But what caught my eye was your link on ” The theft of your voting right”.
This is what they did to me.
They told me that I didn’t have a voting record.
I told them that I have been voting here for 30 years now.
You can destroy or delete my public voting record. It’s against the law to destroy public records.
They told me that by law. They can.
I checked out the voters right act. They can and do it at will.
The elections in 2008 are rigged.
This is what they did in 1994 to get George Bush elected as Governor of Texas.
It worked so go in Texas. They used it again in 2000 in Florida to get bush elected as President.
And again in 2004 in Ohio to get Bush reelected.
They have been doing this for a long long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act
The same people that did this to Al Gore.
Is the same people that did this to Lyndon LaRouche.
In order to connect the dots. And find out what has been going on in the U.S for the past 75 years.
You have to find out why they jail Lyndon LaRouche.
Lyndon LaRouche was the guy that got Reagan to buy into these beam weapon systems.
Back in 1986. The brag was that this weapon system was more powerful than nuclear bombs. It would end the cold war. It would make all other weapon system obsolete.
It was powerful enough to cut battle ship into.
It could cut skyscraper in to.
To prove their point. They built a two story building. And shout it with this beam weapon . Photographed it with high speed photography. With in the blink of an eye. It turned into a cloud of dust.
They show this clip to Congress and they show it on the five O-clock even news.
Every one in America saw it. I saw it on PBS.
In 1998. The U.S. Navy tested this system in outer space. What the bean weapon was mounted to went up 100 miles and staged it self. It came to a complete stop. ( satellite can not stay in orbit at 100 miles. This one did.) And shot down a missile that was 100 miles away.
Every thing about this system from 1997 to 2003. Has been blacked out.
I read about in the Houston chronicle.
What is it? It’s a plasmoid. It,s a wormhole.
I copy and pasted this from the net.
During mid-1977, Keegan met with associates of mine from the Fusion Energy Foundation (FEF). He outlined his study, and identified the difficulties he had with colleagues and opponents such as Graham. He asked FEF to provide him an assessment of some of the crucial evidence which Graham et al. had ridiculed. An FEF team, headed by one Dr. Steven Bardwell,[FIGURE 101] a plasma physicist, pulled together a study of instances in which known Soviet technology might provide Moscow the scientific capability for deploying an operational ballistic missile defense system of a type based upon “new physical principles,” as distinct from so-called “kinetic energy” intercept systems.
“Until two years ago, directed energy beam weapons were exhausted by discussion of laser and particle beams, at least in the West. However, the Soviet Union was pursuing aggressive research in at least two other types of beam weapons. The first uses high- intensity beams of microwaves as a means of destroying a target… The technology for generating extremely high intensity microwaves was developed only in the past decade when it was discovered that relativistic electron beams propagating through a plasma can generate intense, directional microwaves… Plasma beam weapons portend an even more profound reorientation in our understanding of the potential of beam weapons…This fourth state of matter quite naturally forms into complex structures of particles and magnetic fields, which are spontaneously created and quite stable. One of these…is called a plasmoid…The exact physical mechanism involved in this family of closed structures is the subject of a heated debate within the Western scientific community with most Western scientists expressing profound skepticism concerning the significance or even existence of the phenomena.
Will Russia help revive America´s SDI?
The pioneering breakthroughs embodied in Russia´s plasma weapon contrast rather favorably with the sluggish performance of America´s Strategic Defense Initiative–whose most promising areas of research have been crippled by the combined effects of savage budget cuts and “dirty tricks´´ from the SDI´s enemies inside and outside the United States. Indeed, the most revolutionary areas of “new physical principles´´ which were the focus of Lyndon LaRouche´s original design of the SDI policy initially adopted by Reagan in March 1983, came under strong attack, were soon cut back and finally virtually phased out, especially during the Bush administration. Symptomatic is the collapse in spending on “directed-energy´´ systems–including laser, particle-beam, microwave, and plasma weapons–which were initially the core of the SDI program, in favor of the relatively Stone Age technology of the so-called “smart rocks´´ (precision-guided anti-missile warheads based on advanced sensors and ultra-compact microcomputers). LaRouche emphasized that the latter sort of system could never provide the kind of global defense necessary to shift away from the doctrine of “Mutually Assured Destruction´´–the original mission of the SDI.
Wheeler (16) applied the theory of general relativity to the ZPE to create a natural cutoff in his theory of geometrodynamics. In general relativity the fabric of space curves as a function of energy density.
When the density becomes sufficiently great, space pinches like it’s forming a black hole. This gives rise to the formation of hyperspace structures that Wheeler called “wormholes.”
“The term plasmoid refers to the fact that under certain conditions a plasma can develop a self-contained, self-stabilizing structure based on the magnetic and other effects of internal configurations of electric currents within the plasma.”
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar....._2643.html
http://www5.google.com/search?.....+LaRouche+
http://www.godlikeproductions......141035/pg1
http://www.geocities.com/Area5.....ct122.html
So where’s the link between Al Gore and Lyndon LaRouche?
The same scientist that are working on the technology in order to manipulate gravity.
Is also the same people working on the technology of wormholes in order to be used as a beam weapon system.
Lyndon was talking about the relativistic beam weapon system. A plasmoid Worm hole.
http://www.google.com/search?h.....mp;spell=1
What did Al Gore do?
Al Gore was the person that got the funding from congress to form the internet.
But Al also went to congress for another program.
NASA’s Breakthrough Propulsion Program. BPP.
Which is ” Develop the technology of worm holes and manipulate gravity “.
The first thing that Bush did when he got into office was cut the funding on NASA’s BPP.
We are still here.
This is where I come in at.
The same damming tattle tail evidence that the scientist that built and tested this weapon say that it will produce.
Is the same damming tattle tail evidence that was found on 9/11 and in the dust. That was at one time the Twin Towers.
I had to know about all the weird effect that curved space will have on object. In order to track the history of mans knowledge of how they did this.
Man has known how to do this every since man was man.
http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com
This is what Marc Millis told me to do. And I did.
The technology of worm holes’s makes all other forms of energy obsolete. Big OIL Cool And Nuclear power will have to go.
The technology of wormholes makes all other forms of weapon system obsolete.
The fight that has been going on in America is over this technology. You would believe all that they have done to people in order to keep this hidden from the eyes of the American people.
Hawkins talks about what it would be like to fly a space ship in to the mouth of a wormhole. In one of his books.
When you first go into the mouth of the wormhole. Space becomes curved. ( You could use it to manipulate gravity. Which would be great.)
But what most people don’t know about curving space.
If you go a little further into the mouth of a wormhole. Space becomes curved to the point that it over rides the electro- magnetic force. ( this causes several thing to happen. It free’s up the electron The electron starts to interact with the electron of other atoms.
The same catalyst effect that can be produce with heat . Can also be produced with curved space. It can produce a large array of abnormal compounds. and chemicals. Molecules like water ( people )and high carbon steel (engine blocks )will becomes flammable. It can also rip atoms from atoms. Rocks and iron turn into dust. Or oxide into rust.
But of you go a little further in to the mouth of the wormhole.
The cold catalytic effect will over ride the strong and weak nuclear force. The nucleus of one atom will start to inter act with the nucleus of other atoms. Produces a radon particle. And nuclear compounds that can only be produced with the particle of a radon particle.
But if the object goes a little further down the mouth of the wormhole.
Space becomes curved to the point that atom them self become ripped apart. This releases the energy of the atom. A nuclear reaction. This will produce large numbers of radon particles. It will cause all kinds of oddities.
Burn film in cameras. radiation poisoning. Sun burn. Produce a electro magnet pulse. Radio would stop playing.
A steel beam or rock would change from a solid state to a liquid state. Steel would run like water. It would then crumble into dust. Then it would break down into a fine dust. Then it would turn into a dust that was so fine that it would be the same size as the moisture in thew air. A atmosphere form of gas. It would float off in the wind. Then it would turn back into light. mercury would turn into a atmospheres size of dust. The kind it would take to get into your lunges and into your brain.
The damming tattletale evidence. Is like DNA or fingerprint prints. It’s signature.
It is like no other.
Jet fuel can not produce this kind of evidence. Jet fuel can not produce a catalytic effect by way of heat. To produce a catalytic effect that is able to turn steel into like. Only Thing in nature that produce temperatures in this range is a supper Nova.
One million tons of concrete and steel turned into Toxic nano sizes dues particles. With in ten seconds. A room temperature. The amount of energy to produce the heat to do some thing like this goes straight through the roof. There was no such heat present on 9/11. Paper wouldn’t even burn. The only thing known in nature that can produce this kind of evidence is curved space,
Does man have some thing that can curve space to this degrees. Yes. A worm hole.
Who’s got them? We do. Our National Missile Defence System.
And it was up and running on 9/11. (? The 1986 film where they turned a building into dust. The 1998 Test done by the U.S. Navy.)
The only Government on the face of the planet that has such a weapon system Is the U. S. Government.
And the only person on the face of the planet that has the authority to give the command to use this weapon is the President of the United States of America.
This kind of evidence does leave any room for error. The one, the only.
The evidence is over overwhelm.
Because this weapon system is classified in the same category as Nuclear bombs and anthrax. Weapon of mass distraction.
In order to take one out of the military arsenal. It takes an executive order signed by the president of the United States. Once he signs that paper. It Becomes property of the people.
It can not be destroyed.
These weapon have a log. A paper trail. Who had them when. Who fired them at what and how many times it was used. Where did it come from and where did it go back to. Where is it right now.
They know where these things are at every second of the day and night.
The government can say that ” May be they did”. Or ” May be they didn’t”. But one thing they can say is ” We don’t know”. ” We can’t find out” And they can tell you with in seconds.
If they tell you ” We are not going to tell you. ” Heads will roll.
If they say “We did it”. Heads are still going to roll.
The first one in line at the door of the justice department And ops a plead barging. Gets to save his head. Every one else in line behind him. Is a rotten egg.
They say that they are not going to prosecute till some time after the next president in place. This way there will be no pardon the guilty parities.
Think about it.
They are going to charge these people with acts of terrorism And the are going to take them down to Guantanamo bay. And they are going to scream their lungs out. And name every one that was in on the 9/11 event.
In the end they are going to get every one of them. That did this to America.
Not just a few. But all of them.
9/11 was a inside job. George Bush did it. We found his DNA and finger prints at the crime scene. We also found his signature at the bottom of the executive order. To do what they did. On 9/11
terrorist do not have access to this kind of weapon system. George Bush does.
It is irrelevant if there were terrorist.
it is irrelevant if there where plains.
It is irrelevant if the used a beam weapon system on 9/11.
Bottom line. Who’s name is at the bottom of that executive order.
Just like the anthrax. There has to be an executive order in order to take it out of inventory and use it.
Once the cat is out of the bag. There is no getting the cat back in the bag again.
Every one in Washington knows about the executive orders.
Every body in the military knows about the executive orders.
Every body in the main stream media knows about the executive orders.
And Now every body in America knows about the executive orders.
If you know what the truth is.
Their lies no longer have an effect on you.
Their lies aren’t working any more.
And at this late date and time. There are no lies that they can tell us.
That will work.
The gig is up.
The sad part about all of this is the fact that every one in Washington knew what happened on 9/11
Every one in the military knew what happen on 9/11.
Every one in the main stream media knew what happen on 9/11.
And not one in the hole bunch. Was willing to tell the American people. The truth.
It’s not just Bush alone. It’s the hole lot of them. That have betrayed America.
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:04 am
Hi All
The 2008 election’s are rigged. Check his out.
http://www.seattle911visibilit.....rights.htm
Their purging legal voters off the registers voter’s list.
This is what they did to me in 2004. In Taylor county
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act
They have been changing this law. To make it legal to purge your name off the list.
In Texas they have it set up to where now they can purge your name at will.
How every many it takes to win the election.
Go check out the Texas Voter Right Act 0f 1994. On the Texas Government page. And you will see what I mean.
As long as nobody does any thing about this. We will never win an election again.
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/el.toc.htm
Chapter 16
What they forgot to tell you is that Your voter record is all on the computer..
When they delete your voting record. It’s gone.
No Paper trail.
No paper trail of you ever having registered, in the first place. No paper trail of any notice. Or review. Or appeal.
If their is no evidence to mount an appeal on. There will be no appeal.
And this is how they are rigging the election in ever state in the union.
Because their is no paper trail. They now delete at will. Ever how many names it takes to win the election.
It is illegal to destroy public records.
It’s a felon to destroy evidence in order to avoid prosecution. In a Felon.
Voter fraud
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 am
http://drjudywood.com/
Why are these hurricanes doing 90 degree turns now days?
I see that you have some new info on weather on your page.
Way on back when . Four things that they were saying that they could do with this technology of plasmoids. Wormholes. Is
(1) manipulate gravity.
(2) Use it as a beam weapon.
(3 Cold fusion.
(4) Use it to destroy the upper atmosphere.
When an objects goes into the mouth of a wormhole. Space becomes curved and you can manipulate gravity.
But if you go a little deeper in to the wormhole. Space becomes curved to the point that it will over ride the electro magnet force.
Atoms become ripped from atoms. Rocks turn into dust.
It frees up the electron. It will produce a catalytic effect. Will produce a chemical effect. The electron of one atom will interact with another atom
If the object goes down a little deeper into the mouth of the worm hole.
The catalytic effect moves on to the nucleus of the atom. The nucleus of one atom will state to interact with the nucleus of other atoms.
Cold fusion.
But if the object goes a little further down into the mouth of the wormhole.
Space becomes curved to the point that atoms their self get ripped apart.
Produces a nuclear reaction. The atom gets vaporized into light.
You could put a satellite up in the upper atmosphere. Turn on it’s worm hole generating weapon system And just let it run all day. And destroy the ozone layer.
http://www.google.com/search?h.....chemtrails
There is no such thing as a black jet vapor trail. They are white.
Vapor trails don’t form in front of the jet. The cart comes before the horse. With the black lines in the sky
Vapor trails have turbulent in them The black lines in the sky do not.
They don’t run in the same direction that shadow do on the ground. There not shadows.
Vapor trails don’t form when there not a jet presence. They form from out of the blue sky. Or outer space.
Jet vapor trails don’t go from the sky into the ground. These do.
Vapor trails can’t from. Then go a way. Them re form. Then go a way. In a very short time. Like turning a light on and off. These do.
There is no such thing as a black laser.
What are they?
Their worm hole. Worm holes are black because they are the absents of light.
They are thinning out the ozone layer. They are vaporizing the atoms that our ozone layer is made of. They are spraying a smoke screen (chemtrails) To hide the beam weapon that is being used up much higher. Where the ozone layer is at. To keep them hidden from the eyes of the public.
The ozone layer is what protect the earth from the rays of the sun. If the ozone layer gets thinner. The earth will heat up. Ever time that the ozone layer gets thinner. The hole in the ozone layer at the south pole gets bigger.
Is global worming man made? Sure. And we know who’s doing it.
Why OH why would any body want to cause the earth to heat up.
They say that if you could cause the earth to heat up by three degrees. The polar ice caps will melt.
If the ice at the north pole melts. It would make a shipping passage to from. Ships could go from the pacific ocean to the Atlantic ocean by way of the north pole.
They could build shipping ports on the north slope.
Why would they want to do some thing like that?
Well There are gold mines. Diamond mines. Coal mines and oil fields. Up there.
Where I see the black lines in the sky at is mostly out west.
In the summer when every thing dry’s out. The grass and pine needles are so dry. That if you put a match to it. It burn so fast that it will go off like gun power. This is what causing. The fires out west.
When it gets hot out west. It causes the jet stream to travel in a different path. It effects the weather.
But when the ice at the north pole melts. It flows into the pacific and Atlantic ocean. The ice of the north pole is fresh water. Fresh water is less dense than salt water. When the fresh water moves in to the pacific and Atlantic ocean. It causes the ocean currants to slow down or stop.
This will cause the cold water from flowing south.
The cold water that flows south is what keeps the water along the equator from getting so hot.
Warm water on the surface of the ocean is what fuels hurricanes.
Warmer water along the equator causes bigger and more hurricanes to form.
Hurricanes move in the direction of warm water and move a way from cool water.
If you use chemtrails on one side of a hurricane. ( sun screen).
And at the same time you destroy the ozone layer on the other side. And heat up the water.
You can make the hurricane or cyclone go where you want it to go.
If you heat up the oceans. There will be more moisture in the air. There will be more rain over the land. More tornados.
They don’t care how much damage the do or how many people lose every thing they own.
They want their north west passage. And they are willing to do any thing to get it.
9/11 is just the tip of the ice burg of what they have been doing.
I saw that you know a lot about optic. This is what I’m doing.
You might want to try it.
I’ve got some new stuff up on my web page.
Go read ” letter to all “. If you read Letter to all first. You don’t fell so much like a nut.
I have simplified my equipment. Made it simpler and cheaper to build. And simpler to operate. I’m going to take some pictures of it and post them.
Larry.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 am
Here is what every body’s missing in order to make sense of all os this.
Dr. Steven Jones found little steel balls in the dust.
Jones tested the dust also. Just like the people at Judy’s web page.
The amount of heat need to produce the beads of steel is very high.
When ever you heat elements.
It acts like a catalyst. It free up electrons. It causes atom to expand.
Steel will run like hot wax and form beads. A high temperature process.
When ever space becomes curved. Atoms become smeared out over time and space. This causes the electron to free up. A catalyst effect.
The electro magnetic effect is over ridden and atoms become rip from other atoms. Steel will run like hot wax and steel will break apart and bead up and from spheres.
Like those found in the dust by Jones.
Curved space can do this at room temperature. Like happen on 9/11
In fact Hawkins calls this process. An evaporation effect. The temperature may even get cooler.
Go read what Hawkins says about what happen to the atoms of objects that go off down the mouth of a wormhole.
This is why black hole found in the center of galaxies produce Gamma rays.
If all of the support columns turn in to dust at the same time.
The building will fall straight down. Like it did on 9/11.
Some of the building around The twin towers had this dust all over their sides.
It rained a few day later.
Water will cause iron to turn rust red.
The building that had the iron in the dust. Turned rust red.
Go look at the pictures on Judy’s page.
Then you stand there and try and tell me that steel beam can’t turn in to dust in a free fall. We have pictures of steel beams turning in to dust as they fall.
And if they are not turning in to dust.
(1)Why are those buildings blood red. In the pictures?
(2)Why are the steel beams turning into dust as they fall? In the pictures?
(3)Why is it the Jones is finding iron in the dust in that he tested.
(4) Only one thing known to man that can cause this kind of effect and evidence. At room temperature. A wormhole.
Three strikes and you are out.
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 am
Judges that take bribes can be judges no more.
What do you mean! You can bribe a Judge. Sure
Happens all of the time.
How does this work? And how you can catch them with their hands in the cookie jar.
Judges other than being Judges. Are politicians.
They are elected. ( some are appointed )
When ever they run for office. They are allow to take campaign contributions.
They are forced by law to report the finances to the state bored of electron.
A list that states where they got their money from. Form who and how much. In order to run for election.
This list becomes part of the public record.
People that make campaign contributions. Use the money payed to a judge as a tax write off. It’s reported to the IRS.
Lawyers and corporation give large amounts of money to help judges get elected.
If they have a cast that is going to go before the courts.
They manipulate the court system So that their case will be heard before the very same judge that they payed large sums of money to.
The corporation gives the money to the lawyer who in turn puts the money in to his own slush fund. But when the lawyer takes out the money to give to the Judges re electron fund. The lawyer states that the money was not any way part of any money that the corporation gave to them. When the lawyer puts the money into his slush fund. The money gets laundered.
Where they usually catch them at is .
The judge files his financial stated in October.
Then files his Taxes in February of next year. He doesn’t report the many to the IRS.
The corporation’s taxes show that he gave the lawyer $100 dollars On this date.
The lawyer Taxes show that he gave $100 dollars to this drudge on this date.
The judges financial statement show that he got this money on this date.
The judges taxes show that he got no money at all From that Lawyer.
And four months later. The judge hears a case in which the corporation and the lawyer is names in.
They win against all odds.
Firsts time. Every time.
It’s called ” The good old boys system “.
Do other lawyer know what is happening In the courts In Texas. Sure.
Why don’t they report them?
If they move to de bench a Judge or disbar lawyer for bribery.
And this is what it is.
These lawyer make campaign contribution to all Judges that are running for election.
A Judge that has taken money from a lawyer that has payed money to a Judges electron campaign.
That Judge is bared form every hearing a case before his court in which that lawyer is named. Because their is conflict of interest.
It’s unethical. Only up to a point.
If that Judge fail to report the money payed to him for his electron campaign.
The money becomes not a contribution to his election campaign. It is now a bribe.
Are Judges being bribed here in Texas. Sure. Happens every day.
Why don’t the other lawyers report them?
two reasons.
They want to be part of the Good old bay system and win cases
And.
If they do report them.
They will never win another case before any court in Texas again.
They punish their own.
It’s like the mob. Once you have made the grade. And you are in.
They never will let you out.
This is our court system in America today.
They are not true courts. They are kangaroo courts.
It is all for show. They are not real courts. They are not real judges.
How would I know this?
Any time that you stand before a Federal Judge. And state that you are a natural born U.S citizen. With all right under the U.S Constitution are in tack.
And you ask the Federal Judges To honor his oath of office. And preserve your inalienable right. Your right to vote.
And he does not.
This act makes a profound statement.
The U. S. constitution is no more.
It Is the will and consent of the American people and the U.S. Constitution that gives him his privilege to set on the bench.
If the Federal Judge does not recognize or honor the U.S. Constitution.
The sacred trust. The sacred bond. The sacred word. The will and consent of the American people.
The contract that was writhen in blood. And made in good faith.
Is broken.
With out that document being in tack. And in full force.
It is the law of the land.
If it is no more.
The laws are. There are no laws.
This means that there can not be a court.
There can be no Judges.
There can be no rulings that can come forth from any person that is impersonating a Judges.
With out the will and consent of the American People.
And the U.S. Constitution.
A Judge doesn’t have jurisdiction to sit in a court of law.
I don’t know who these people are.
But one thing that I do know.
Their not Judges. They don’t have our will or consent of the American People.
And with out the will and consent of the American People.
They can be Judges no more.
There is a little known law on the books that they don’t want you to know about that states.
If you any reason that you fill that the judge that is before your.
Is un fit to sit in that seat. For any reason.
He no longer honors the U.S. Constitution And all your right there in.
If He does not have your will and Consent.
At any time with in your case proceeding.
You tell your lawyer to excuse the Judge.
And if he does not.
You can stand up.
Tell your Lawyer. Your fired.
Tell the judge that you are now representing your self.
And ask the Judge. To excuse his self from your case.
He is judge no more.
And the courts are very strict about this law.
If that Judge does not stop every thing that he is doing.
And state that he is excusing his self from the cast.
He will never sit as Judge before a court of law in America again.
I know about the Law.
I watch a lawyer do this one time in a court room.
It’s real.
I have used it.
You can go through as many Judges as you like till you find one that will honor his oath of office. And give you a fair hearing.
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 am
I have just listen to the tape of your comments that were spoken be fore the NIST committee.
NIST committee to investigate the collapse of WTC building 7.
I know that you are a lawyer. And that you are a expert in your own field of expertise.
But when you are asked to do a case that is out side your field of expertise.
What you have to have is expertise in the field of what you are going to prove happened on 9/11. whistle-blower. The only people that know what they are doing is the ones that are all ready doing it. The people that did it. The expertise.
Which would not be me. I’m a truck driver. I study there things as a layperson.
Well may be I do it a little. Just enough to know that it works.
I destroyed my truck doing it. Every thing that happened on 9/11 Happened to my truck. I stoped doing live experiments and only do research now. Till at some time that I know that I have found the way to do it safely. It’s best this way.
Judy has been saying some very odd things lately. Judy is speaking with knowledge beyond her years. This tells me that there are others that are stepping forward and turning wistelblower. It’s nice to know that I’m not a lone.
So how is it that I can help. Becouse I have some insider information about the technology. I can stand on the side lines , and speak sujestively. I can give you some pointers where you need to go and check it out.
The tecknology that was used on 9/11is not some thing that just happened on 9/11. It is a on going process. It has a history. It has a very long history.
If you know what the tecknology is. And you know that it has a hictroy. There would be a trail that can be tracked and followed.
This tecknology has a paper trail. Not only of sciencetific papers. But if the gaveriment is funding this thicnology. There would also be a paper trail that can be followed. Money. House bills. Funding.
If you study the history. you will know where to go look for your wisilblowers. Or your expert witnies. You will not find any body the will be willing to tesifies on your be half. So. Now what?
Dirty little lawyer tricks. Works for me. The mind game of. ” I got you.”
If you want experit witness. The real one. The ones that did this. You are going to have to smoke them out. They will only step fordward if the are lead to belive that others are steping fordword to testifie.
The wayse that were broken on 9/11 were ” High Treason ” and mass murder.
The laws against High trason and mass murder. Carries with it the death penility. It is not limented in time. And ther can be no pardon for such crimes.
There would have to be fore thought that took place before 9/11 and there would have to be a cover up after 9/11. Who other than my self knows that is tecknoligy was used on 9/11. There would have to be ten’s of thouson that know. They know that if they speak out. the one that did thid they will get the death pinility. But if they remain silanet. And the cover up is colapsing. They. The ones that did this. Will get the death pinility. Hind or flight.
If you can creat an illiousin theat the cover is colapsing. It can’t cant be an Ilouision. You cant bluff your way through this one. You have to bring forth evidance that states beond a shodlow od a dought. That you know.
In order to save their self’s from the death pinility. There is a way out for them. Turn states evidance. They will get a lawyer and op a plead bargin. Turn states evidance in order to get the death pinility wavered.
And in cases like this. The last one in is a roten egg. The last one through the front door in to the Justis Deparment dies.
I’m not asking Judy or you to lie. I’m asking you to tell the truth.
State the evidence as it is.
There is a lot of evidence left behind on 9/11.
But there is some evidanve that was left behind that the people that did this will never be able to lie their way out of. That will lead you to the prople that did do this.
1,000,000 tons of concreat and steel turned into toxick nano size dust particles with in ten seconds at room tempatore.
Nano size dust particle. ( they are not particle. They mocules of three or more atoms or indivugal atoms their self.) are rair in dead in nature.
You can take a cubic inch od dust from any place on earth. And test it for nano size dust particle. and it will come up nagitive. None.
But the dust from 9/11 test posative for nano sizs dust particles. The number of nano size dust particle from the dust of 9/11 goes of the chartes. Right streight through the roof.
They know like I know that all it would take to convict they would be one cotten swap of the dust in the lab. And we have 1,00,00 ton of the stuff. They can clean up the crime sene. They can’t hight it. There is to much of it. It is every where. They can’t lie their way out of the tatetale evidance.
You have to get this evidance in to the NIST report. Why?
The steel beams that thtwin towers were made. All had to fail at the same time.
The sreuclual integarity . The stringht of the steel would have had to change in some way. If the steel had to turn into dust. If the steel turned in to some thing like a dirt clod made out of steel. This would do it. They would all fail at the same time.
What need to happen is for congree to inact it’s comity to investight un American activity.
But if you can get a paper in to the report of WTV building 7. This would give congress just cause to invoke it’s cominity on UnAmerican activity.
And opens it’s own investagation into 9/11.
Getting this tatatell evidance on the record. Which they gave you the green light to do. Simity reports.
This is the tateltail evidence that makes a statement.
Their house of cards is falling. The cover up is not working any more.
When the people that did this can see that they are going down. And that their is nothing that they can do to stop it. They will come out of their hidding places screaming at the top of their lungs. They will beat a path to your front door.
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Connect the dots.
There are very few places to where you can go to where any info was leaked out to the public. About how we are manipulating gravity.
If you go and read some of those links that I have posted. You will not only find where they are talking abut how to used this technology to be used as a beam weapon, Cold Frisson and manipulating gravity.
What are they talking about? Wormholes.
Here is what you have to know about in order to connect the dots. And why I’m forming wormholes the way that I do.
Lynden LaRouche. He owned a trade magazine. The people that printed articles in this magazine. Was A small group of people. They were electrical engineers. They worked for the government.
They had a big banquet in Japan back about 20 years ago to honor these men for their work.
One of the guest of honor was Winston E. Kock.
His book is “Lasers and Holograms”
The man who had to go out side of the USA to get his book published. But in order to get it back in to the USA. He had to hide what he was talking about. There are three pictures of UFO’s hidden in the book.
Is what he’s trying to say about UFO’s? NO.
He is talking about the history of how we were able to get a wormhole to form. The history of what happened. Way on back when.
But the true history of man’s ability to form wormhole goes back about 20,000 years.
I’m talking monkey man here. If the history is true. Then how hard can it be to get a wormhole to form? Not very hard.
So. If this is true. Then where is my proof?
Back around 1986 when Lynden LaRouche was trying to sell this missile defence system to congress. He had to get the public to by into it. He had to sell it to the public.
LaRouche made a video that he show to congress and it was also shown on the five 0′clock even news on T.V. Every one saw it. I even saw it. It wasn’t a missile. It was a two story building.
Judy! You have got to get your hands on this video. It’s a must. It’s out there some where.
What he did was build a two story building. He used high speed photography. And used his wormhole use as a beam weapon. And shot the building with it. With in the blink of a eye. The hole building turned to dust. It ripped atoms form atoms. It produced nano size dust particles. The only tattletale evidence that such a weapon system like this was used is that all of what the building is made of is turned in to nano size dust particles.
If you place LaRouche’s video and the video of 9/11. Side by side. Both building turn into nano size dust particles at room temperature. With in a very short time.
The amount of energy it would take to turn 1,000,000 tons of concrete and steel in to nano size dust particles with in ten seconds. At room temperature. Goes right straight through the roof.
It’s not energy. It’s mass. It’s curved space. What are they talking about? They are talking about plasma. A wormhole.
When they talk about focusing plasma to a point. There are two different kinds of points. A point is a positive lens. But when they focus plasma to a point as a free space negative lens. There is no point. The plasma forms a tube. What is plasma in the form of a tube? Wormhole. Could a wormhole do what happened on 9/11? Sure.
99% of every thing in the universe is in the state of plasma. Every thing. Light. atoms, space.
Can you use a wormhole to manipulate gravity? Sure. You can do a lot of weird stuff with a wormhole.
The same amount of energy. Better yet. The same amount of mass it would take to manipulate gravity. Is the same amount of mass it would take to turn a building into dust. Which is the same amount of mass it would take to form a wormhole.
Which is also the same amount of mass that would have to be resting in between objects in order for the universe to have gravity.
Once the cat is out of the bag.
There is no putting him back in a gain.
Larry L. Burks
I’m tearing up the internet right now.
I’m looking for some thing.
Key word ” relativistic” What are they talking about? Plasmoids. Sure. What Kind? Wormholes. Dr. Winston E. Kock was one of those that worked on these things.
http://larouchepub. com/other/ 2004/3110sdi_ timeline. html
Lynden LaRouche called this strategy
“relativistic beam weapon anti-missile defense”. President Reagan called it the “Strategic Defense Initiative.”
http://www.eskimo. com/~nanook/ et/ Video good This guy was one of them. He can be found on the net.
http://larouchein20 04.net/pages/ other/2004/ 040305sdi. htm
http://www.amphilso c.org/library/ mole/k/klass. htm#boxfolder4
1984 August 24-Current News, “Strategic Defense Initiative
1985-Department of Defense Appropriations for 1986, SDI
1986 June-”Report to Congress on the Strategic Defense Initiative
1987 April-”Report to the Congress on the Strategic Defense Initiative”
1988 April-”Report to the Congress on the Strategic Defense Initiative”
http://american_ almanac.tripod. com/larsdi. htm good
http://www.projectr ho.com/rocket/ rocket3x. html
nyrath@projectrho. com
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 am
Using massive amount of energy to manipulate gravity is not the way to go. You will die.
Dr Judy Wood has been talking to some one. She is speaking with knowledge beyond her years.
Who? I don’t know who. But what she said is. Man can take a very small amount of energy and use it in the right way. And produce massive amounts of energy.
Well. She believes that it is energy. It’s not energy. It’s mass. Cause space to become curved to the point that it over rides the electro magnet binding force. And rip atoms from atoms. A force.
Wood has been making some really strange bed fellow here lately. It’s getting weird.
Your going to like this.
Go to her web page.
http://drjudywood.com/
Then go down to where it said’s News. 12 December 2007 Click on mp3 audio and listen to it.
And while you are listening to the tape. Go to these links.
http://hutchisoneffect2008.blogspot.com/
And here
http://www.americanantigravity.com/
Connect the dots.
There are very few places to where you can go to where any info was leaked out to the public. About how we are manipulating gravity.
If you go back and read some of those links that I posted. You will not only find where they are talking abut how to used this technology to be used as a beam weapon, Cold Frisson and manipulating gravity.
What are they talking about? Wormholes.
Here is what you have to know about in order to connect the dots. And why I’m forming wormholes the way that I do.
Lynden LaRouche. He own a trade magazine. The people that printed articles in this magazine. Was A small group of people. They were electrical engineers. They worked for the government.
They had a big banquet in Japan back about 20 years ago to honor these men for their work.
One of the guest of honor was Winston E. Kock.
The man who had to go out side of the USA to get his book published. But in order to get back in to the USA. He had to hide what he was talking about. There are three pictures of UFO’s hidden in the book. Is what he’s trying to say about UFO’s? NO
He is talking about the history of how we were able to get a wormhole to form. The history of what happened. Way on back when.
But the true history of man’s ability to form wormhole goes back about 20,000 years.
I’m talking monkey man here. If the history is true. Then how hard can it be to get a wormhole to form? Not very hard.
So. If this is true. Then where is my proof?
Back around 1986 when Lynden LaRouche was trying to sell this missile defence system to congress. He had to get the public to by into it. He had to sell it to the public.
What he did was build a tow story building. He used high speed photography. And used his wormhole use as a beam weapon. And shot the building with it. With in the blink of a eye. The hole building turned to dust. It ripped atoms form atoms. It produced nano size dust particles. The only tattletale evidence that such a weapon system like this was used is that all of what the building is made of is turned in to nano size dust particles.
If you place LaRouche’s video and the video of 9/11. Side by side. Both building turn into nano size dust particles at room temperature. With in a very short time.
The amount of energy it would take to turn 1,000,000 tons of concrete and steel in to nano size dust particles with in ten seconds. At room temperature. Goes right straight through the roof.
It’s not energy. It’s mass. It’s curved space. What are they talking about? They are talking about plasma. A wormhole.
When they talk about focusing plasma to a point. There are two different kinds of points. A point is a positive lens. But when they focus plasma to a point as a free space negative lens. There is no point. The plasma forms a tube. What is plasma in the form of a tube? Wormhole. Could a wormhole do what happened on 9/11? Sure.
Can you use a wormhole to manipulate gravity? Sure. You can do a lot of weird stuff with a wormhole.
The same amount of energy. Better yet. The same amount of mass it would take to manipulate gravity. Is the same amount of mass it would take to turn a building into dust. Which is the same amount of mass it would take to form a wormhole.
Which is also the same amount of mass that would have to be resting in between objects in order for the universe to have gravity.
Once the cat is out of the bag.
There is no putting him back in a gain.
Larry L. Burks
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 am
“How long is being nice about things like this going to work?”
I’m not advocating being nice. Nor am I advocating being violent. I’m advocating the use of the one thing that really scares the **** out of them – the truth. The truth, that you as a natural person, not a legal one have all of the power.
These people have built a legal cage for us all. We have been conditioned to believe we have to stay there. We don’t. We walk free of the cage leaving its architects stuck inside. Do you believe in ‘voluntary slavery’? Of course not – it’s a contradiction in terms. It can’t exist – yet it does. It is the system you and I have been brought up in.
Learn the fundamental difference between ‘the LAW’ and legislation. Your ‘inalienable rights’ come from the LAW – not from legislation. Legislation is worthless until you give it your power. Every lawmaker knows this. They also know that you don’t.
“Why is Pelosi the final word on whether an impeachment can happen?”
By claiming this, she has exposed herself as the utterly corrupt person she is. There is no lawful basis by which she can rob the People of this last recourse. It is the RIGHT of the PEOPLE when forced to deal with tyrants to impeach. It is not hers to give or take. She herself should be hauled before a jury.
“They NEED to fear they will be snatched and dealt with or they’ll keep driving this country further in the hole.”
First the lower orders need to feel that fear – not of sudden, violent death – but of justice. Just like the lower orders did at Nuremberg. Following unlawful orders got them hanged, remember? Use the small fish to catch the bigger ones. Any good prosecutor knows that.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
Suicide! yeh right!! Even the BBC have problems with that one.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
http://www.google.com/search?h.....mp;spell=1
This works great on people.
Well. Looks like we are all going to die.
They want it all. And they have more than one way to do it.
What are you going to do about it?
When all avenues of readdress have been destroyed. When the system has been rigged. All the way down the line. The elections. The law. Our Government had been slowly destroyed. When all check and balances are no more.
We are at our leisure to soles this problem in any way that we deem fit.
Revolution is like a stretching a rubber band to the breaking point.
Once it snaps. There is no turning back the hand of time and stopping it.
When ever there is a Revolution. The government is the last to find out about it.
Why is that. Because no body knows how far the rubber band will stretch before it snaps. No body knows. America rubber band is stretched tight to the breaking point. The sleeping giant is waking up.
Governments have made this mistake time and time again. History repeats it’s self.
We are playing a game of high speed chicken. It doesn’t matter which one blinks first. Both sides loose.
The one’s that have the most. Have it all. Stand to loose it all.
The ones that don’t have any thing. Don’t have any thing to loose. They have all ready lost it all. And every thing to gain.
It’s going to happen. The Government can’t stop it. The people can’t stop it.
No one can stop it. The ball is rolling. We are on the clock. It’s just a matter of time. We are playing the waiting game now.
The Government that we have today. Doesn’t not have the “Will and Consent of the American People.
By way of the “Will and Consent of the American People”.By way of this and this alone.
Does the government have the power to govern.
With out the “Will and Consent of the American People”. The government has no legal claim to govern.
When the government becomes lawless. And loose the “Will and Consent of the American. People.
The law is. There are no laws.
Then the government becomes nothing more than bunch ” jack booted thugs “.
Liars, thieves, and assassins. And are taking by bruit forces every thing that they can steal from you.
Any time that any one from the government tell you that you don’t have any right.
They loose their claim to be the government. It’s the Law of the Land.
People and people alone. Have right.
The governments and corporations do not.
Looks like what we have here. Is all the needfully thing to make a Revolution to me.
The time for removing these False government from office by way of peaceful way. Has come and gone.
The one and only option that is left is Revolution.
The first American Revolution never ended.
We are Revolutionary. This is where we came from. This is who we are.
It’s a on going process. ” For Ever Vigilant.”
It’s an ” Old Family Tradition “.
It’s an ” Old American Tradition “.
The only government that would have any objection. What so ever. To American from having a Revolution.
Only a illegal government would have objection. To the people moving to restore our Government to it’s original state.
From time to time. You have to remind them that ” It is our Government. Not your government. Less they for get” .
There is one thing that our Founding Fathers understood well.
They can pass no law that can take your right to choose. Your right of choice.
When it comes to making the decision to have a Revolution.
The government doesn’t have any say in the decision making process. Why is that?
Government”s don’t have Revolutions. ” We the People ” do.
It’s one of those ” Inevitable Truth. And ” Inevitable American Rights “.
“Your right to choice”. It can not be taken a way. By any one or thing.
We get to choose. They don’t.
It’s the ” Law of the Land “. The ” U.S. Constitution “.
Larry L. Burks
Larry L. Burks.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
frank verismo:
Your quote from Theodor Herzl, “We will lead every revolution against us,” is fully understood, at least by me. I’ve always known that the fascists and the US government are capable of hijacking the Revolution by taking control of its leadership.
That’s one reason (among several) why the Revolution must be local, decentralized, and leaderless. Individuals and small groups of individuals acting on their own is the way to go. And when someone claims (like Barrack Obama) to be the ‘leader of the Revolution’ he should be recognized immediately by everyone as the ARCH-ENEMY of the Revolution.
Your argument for peaceful change is the same useless argument that all dedicated peaceniks offer us: educate the population properly, and peace and love will overwhelm the system and transform it. The problem is, many millions of peaceniks have been trying this approach in the USA for many decades, and the state of US fascism has only gotten worse.
Hellooo — we’ve been educating for nonviolent transformation of this country for at least the past sixty years, and it isn’t working! The more we communicate and educate for peaceful change, the stronger and bolder the fascists get.
The fascists who control the US government don’t care what we think; when they find that they can’t control us with propaganda,
they will control us by brute force. So ultimately your ‘peaceful change by educating the masses’ strategy leads us to a point where violent Revolution becomes the only way we can bring about transformative change ANYWAY.
Picture yourself trying to persuade George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, or Donald Rumsfeld to accept your ideas of ‘Kumbaya education for a peaceful society’. They will gladly promote it as a way of pacifying the masses (in fact, they already HAVE), but they will never apply your philosophy of peaceful coexistence to their own lives and behavior.
If you want to make yourself useful, instead of irrelevant, put down that peace sign and join the Revolution.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Larry L. Burks:
Enough already with the huge posts. We got your message.
Allow me tp paraphrase you: the US government recieved antigravity weapons technology from Tesla’s space alien friends decades ago. They would have used those weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they didn’t want the public to know they had such weapons, so they used them on New York City on 9/11 instead.
Loizeaux’ Controlled Demolition was brought in and girders of the WTC towers were laced with thermate to fool us into thinking that explosives brought down the towers instead of Tesla’s anti-gravity particle-beam weapon.
Larry, before you write another huge long post on this forum, don’t you have some work to do in your garage — I mean, your lab?
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Gregory. Shut the fuck up. If you’re going to paraphrase don’t make it into some kind of comedic satirical bullshit propaganda run on the guy. He had some legitimate response and who the fuck are you to attempt to shut him down with stupid revisions to an intelligent response?
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:25 am
Hi, we seem to forget, with money they have NO power …. without workers, they have no power, with follows, they have no power …. Its not difficult to understand the patterns, so, stop buying goods, stop eating crap .. stop! We follow the patterns they have set … as they say, hook, line and sinker! We are STUPID, we really are … why, because there maybe a couple thousand high flyers and how many of us?? Yes, really stupid … eat only organic, don’t buy plastic, use solar, grow your own food … stop buying from supermarkets …. those that think this is STUPID …. power needs followers and we follow, stop and show them we will not go easily BUT do not go on the streets, do not fight, do not raise your voice … just stop everything that makes us there sheep …. easy for me, seems too hard for the masses … oh ya, sorry we’re sheep .. forget for a minute!
reikirebel
(be well … by being)
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:50 am
The LD50 for Tylenol is over 330mg/kilo of body weight. This guy must have saved a few months of prescriptions….
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:17 am
To Gregory Fegel:
No sir, I am not a disinformation agent. If you would settle down for a minute, you would realize that I am on the side of true justice under the law. But you seem to be an extremist. You threatened the lives of innocent Americans right here on this thread. If you would actually READ my posts, you would see that I am against the government inasmuch about the same things as you are against them-(i.e. all of the negative plots they have been involved in over the last 150 years especially). I am not a fascist at all. In fact, I am a left-leaning Libertarian.
Just because many American people believe the lie doesn’t make them guilty or worthy of death. It makes them even more important to me because they are the lost sheep. They are the ones that we must bring back into reality. What good will it do if we were to kill the lost sheep as you suggest? It would solve NOTHING and lower yourself to the level of the fascists.
But believe as you must. If you wish to continue believing the paranoid nonsense that goes against common sense and reality, then go ahead. Don’t say that I didn’t warn you. And yes, I do take your threats against innocent people seriously. Get some love in your heart for God’s sake. Do the folks that you teach to in the community know of the hatred that you hold against them?
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:03 am
Alex Jones is an information stooge, a boisterous bragger and liar, and worst of all, a proxy tool of the finance oligarchs, industrialists, asset-strippers, and Wall-Street robber barons.
This is best illustrated by his utterly disrespectful interview with the author, scholar, and immensely more intelligent Webster Griffin Tarpley.
Mr. Tarpley has been the scourge of the financiers for decades, and Jones has the audacity to challenge him, supposedly in defense of the Mexophobe and reactionary Freedmanite Ron Paul, a man who’s disastrous economic policies border on those used by Pinochet in Chili, the horrendous dictator who was supported by the parasitical elements of Wall Street and The City of London.
Alex Jones is a stooge of Wall Street. A man with immediate connections to both the Petroleum Industrial Complex, the Fourth Estate and Mainstream Media, as well as well documented connections within the FBI. He has been quoted stating he has personal acquaintances within the agency.
I urge all readers to abandon the reactionary hysteria of Alex Jones. A man who’s show is increasingly turning into a Megaphone for the prophets of fear and austerity: the storable food hacks, water filter bimbos,and other perverse hucksters, charlatans, and frauds.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:31 am
fegel- get a life!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
is somebody having aproblem to listen alex?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:06 am
To Dr. Jason Dodson:
I second your concerns and views posted earlier.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Au_reilias
Your statements are totally absurd. You are absolutely a yarn spinner. Fox News would be an excellent employer for you. I’ve been an Alex Jones listener for a couple years and I can see right through every accusation you make. Give it up. Although nobody’s perfect, most people can’t hold a candle to Alex in terms of integrity, honesty, purity of heart and just plain hardcore determination. Nobody cares more about this planet and its inhabitants more than Alex. So, because of the lengths you have gone to slander his name and Ron Paul’s, I can only guess that you have some sort of agenda. Look in the mirror and you might find the most disturbing person you ever laid eyes on.
Oh, how about the topic at hand. No doubt Mr. Ivins was murdered.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Dear Mr. Feget:
Sure. I have a work shop. Sure. I have a lab. This is what I do. This is who I am.
I have insider info. I have talked shop with the people that do these things.
It’s not a secret. It has never been a government secret.
The laws of nature it’s self. Has never been a secret.
I know.
The big energy people the Military people and large corporation. Are the ones that don’t want the American people to find out about this technology.
Why?
Using a worm hole to curve space.
As A means to Manipulate gravity.
To use curved space as a beam weapon.
Manipulating gravity makes all other forms of producing energy. Obsolete.
When ever they talk about alternate forms of energy.
You will never here them say. “manipulate gravity”.
There is not one person in the news or Washington that will say the wards. ” Manipulate Gravity” . This goes way beyond the point of being odd or weird.
A worm hole used to curve space. To be used as a weapon. Makes all other forms of weapons obsolete.
Using gravity as a means of propulsion to be used as a means of transportation. Makes all other form of transportation obsolete.
Energy?
Weapons?
Transpiration?
We are talking about a lot of money and power here.
Would they lie to you. Sure.
Would they be willing to kill? Sure.
So that they can go on playing you for a fool and steal every thing that they can possibly steal from you? Sure.
They think that they have some god given right to steal from you.
They don’t.
“Let um take their thirty pieces of silver and rot in hell”.
http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com
Larry L. Burks
August 5th, 2008 at 7:38 am
What I mean by saying ” Being nice ” is.
When ever you catch them red handed. Lying, stealing, or killing people.
They act like they are insulted.
If you are being nice.
If you go so far as to just say ” no “. Their insulted.
What part of ” No” is it that they just can’t seam to understand.
We need to get our priority’s streight here.
When ever I catch you stealing money from me.
I suppose to be the one that is insulted.
We need to start to calling them for who they are. ” Liars”. ” Thieve “. And “Assassin”.
They are low life chicken shitttt. S.O.B. Scum of the earth.
” No “. You can’t lie to me.
” No “. You can’t steal my money.
” No “. You can”t kill me for saying ” No “.
And if they feel insulted. So be it.
And when they have to go to jail. Their insulted?
What’s wrong with this picture.
Larry L. Burks