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CIA Ludicrously Claims Torture Prevented Debunked L.A. Terror Plot
Agency claims waterboarding KSM prevented attack, despite alleged plot being debunked by scores of intelligence professionals in 2006
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
As the controversy surrounding revelations of the Bush administration’s torture program builds, the CIA has attempted to diffuse the furore by claiming that the torture of Khalid Sheik Mohammed prevented a terror attack on an L.A. skyscraper, a completely ludicrous assertion since the credibility of the alleged “L.A. attack plot” was debunked by scores of intelligence professionals years ago.
“The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) — including the use of waterboarding — caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles,” reports CNS News.
This claim was made the day after after former Vice-President Dick Cheney urged the CIA to “put out the memos that show the success of the effort….reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity.”
The “planned attack on Los Angeles” refers to an announcement made on February 9th 2006 in which it was claimed that an Al-Qaeda plan to fly a plane into the LA Library Tower was thwarted in 2002. The release of the news that the plot had been prevented by means of tapping terrorist suspect’s phone, and not torture as the CIA now claims, was politically timed to coincide with the start of legal hearings on the Bush administration’s domestic eavesdropping program.
Fox “News,” the White House’s PR mouthpiece, immediately began showing footage from the movie Independence Day, in which the famous tower is destroyed.
Hours after the announcement, the mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa, went public with his absolute bewilderment concerning the alleged plot.
“I’m amazed that the president would make this (announcement) on national TV and not inform us of these details through the appropriate channels,” the mayor said in an interview with The Associated Press. “I don’t expect a call from the president — but somebody.”
The day after the announcement, twenty three separate intelligence experts, all with either CIA, FBI, NSA or military credentials, both in and out of service, angrily disputed Bush’s remarks about the alleged L.A. plot, with one going as far as saying that the President was “full of shit.”
Another described the claims as “worthless intel that was discarded long ago.”
A New York Times story cited “several counter-terrorism officials” as saying that “the plot never progressed past the planning stages…. ‘To take that and make it into a disrupted plot is just ludicrous,’ said one senior FBI official.”
The New York Daily News cited another senior counterterrorism official who said: “There was no definitive plot. It never materialized or got past the thought stage.”
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The Washington Post also dismissed the alleged plot as nothing more than talk, noting that no actual attack plan had been thwarted.
The LA attack plot arose from the same discredited informant who said that Washington and New York financial institutions were being targeted, which led the White House to raise the terror alert right as the 2004 election campaign was beginning.
“The President has cheapened the entire intelligence community by dragging us into his fantasy world,” said a veteran field operative of the Central Intelligence Agency. “He is basing this absurd claim on the same discredited informant who told us Al Qaeda would attack selected financial institutions in New York and Washington.”
In June 2004 John Pistole, the FBI’s counterterrorism director, said he was “not sure what [the CIA] was referring to,” after a CIA counterterrorism official who testified under the alias “Ted Davis” said that the US had prevented aviation attacks against the east and west coast.
Despite the alleged plot being thoroughly debunked a year prior, President Bush again cited it in his January 2007 State of the Union speech.
Now the CIA has recycled the same hoax in order to try and deflect accusations about its involvement in the torture program.
Indeed, by announcing that the torture of Khalid Sheik Mohammed led to his “confession” of being behind the non-existent L.A. attack plot, the CIA is only reaffirming the fact that the torture program was designed to elicit false confessions that could then be used as terror propaganda on the fearful and gullible American public.
As Senator Levin highlighted on the back of the release of the Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinions, the techniques (known as SERE) authorized by officials to be used on detainees, “Are based on tactics used by Chinese Communists against American soldiers during the Korean War for the purpose of eliciting false confessions for propaganda purposes.”
In addition, the senior Army SERE psychologist warned in 2002 against using SERE training techniques during interrogations in an email to personnel at Guantanamo Bay, because, “It usually decreases the reliability of the information because the person will say whatever he believes will stop the pain… Bottom line: the likelihood that the use of physical pressures will increase the delivery of accurate information from a detainee is very low.”
Little wonder then that KSM confessed to everything under the sun, and only stopped short of admitting to being the real Santa Claus, assassinating JFK and creating AIDS. He even “confessed” to plotting to attack a bank that wasn’t even founded until after his arrest.
The idea that waterboarding KSM six times a day for a month, as well as torturing his children, would lead to anything other than false confessions is absurd on the face of it.
However, by regurgitating the confirmed hoax that KSM “confessed” to a plot that never even existed because of the “success” of waterboarding, the CIA has once again highlighted the fact that not only was the torture program an insult and a disgrace to everything America is supposed to stand for, but that it was also a complete waste of time and only put Americans in more danger because false confessions were taken as gospel so that they could be used not to protect the country from terrorists, but to propagandize to the American people and enlist their support for the thoroughly deceptive and insidious “war on terror”.
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April 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 am
Zionist Al-CIA-duh plants (the planting would run top-down at Al-CIA-duh, so KSM’s a plant) are apparently not convincing everyone in the intel community.
Social Viability Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I doubt they are convincing anybody with any experience in the intel community.
Politics is a game of saying whatever will preserve/advance your position without any regard for the truthfulness of the statement.
The CIA does not look our for the interests of the American people in any way. The influences in the CIA are merely looking out for their fellow Skull and Bones members.
The whole system is putrid. The central bankers, the government agencies and the industries that are faithful to their creditors all need to go. It is the only way we’ll get this rotten smell out of our noses.
Don’t fight the system:
Replace it
http://socialviability.com/
John Reply:
April 24th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Fox News the White Houses PR mouthpiece?
LOL WUT?
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 am
LoL! Trying to take credit for something that never happened! You want to know how I know that “terrorism” doesn’t exist in the U.S.? Because if there was even a plot for L.A. the conspirators would have kept quiet about their plans and carried them out without warning!
Back during WW2, there were a number of Nazi soldiers that were seceretly brought to the U.S. by submarine. their mission was to bomb war-factories and spread fear among americans. The scary part is, they blended into the population so there was no suspicion. and acted like honest hard-working people, so there was no reason for suspicsion. They kept their mouths shut, until a few went straight to the FBI and unfoiled the plot. It came as a shock to the Government at the time, because they had no idea this was even going on! Those soldiers were either killed or imprisoned and the FBI took all the credit.
My point is, if there was anyone out there serious about spreading fear through terrorist acts, they would not say or do anything that would deem suspicsious to anyone as long as they kept their mouths shut and blended in. The population is just too big to suspect one or a small group of people of terrorist activities. The FBI sound like they are lying to save their asses! Who doesn’t these days?
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 am
Liars lie.
See what I did, and Alex Jones did not. I reduced the whole situation down to its one key fact- a fact that any person, no matter how unsophisticated, can get their head around.
Liars lie.
A life-skill to cope with door-to-door ’salespeople’, or that assistant that insists on offering you product help you clearly didn’t request when you entered their store.
Liars lie.
The CIA is a LIAR-AGENCY. It is designed, at every level of operation, to lie, and to lie effectively. It is its raison d’etre- its ‘reason to be’. It lies so America may rape, pillage, and mass murder in other nations more effectively. It lies so the current administration may rule over its sheep more effectively.
Liars lie. Anyone that tries to get you to ‘overthink’ this fact is actually on the side of the liars.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:32 am
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April 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am
Astral omens.
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April 22nd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Simply amazing. They are really squirming over this stuff.
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
You are becase of your ISP
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm
This is great stuff! You clowns that think Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist terrorist groups don’t exist or are made up by the CIA are unbelievable. So, when a CIA officer is killed by an al qaeda operative, like Johnny Span, was he killed by an American posing as an al qaeda bad guy or was johnny span going to pay him for his fake terrorism when the fake bad guy killed him…or?
Do you realize it would require over 30 years of terrorist acts to have all been done by the US? all the dead and captured terrorists over that time have got to all be ok with being killed, tortured or jailed for life…The sheer implication of what you guys are collectively accusing the CIA and the US gov of doing is so huge, it is impossible. Basically the rest of the world would have to be OK with loosing trillions in weapons sales, having their citizens and military killed by fake al qaeda operatives, and destroying their collective economies. All they would have to do, is leak a shred of proof of this and it would bring the US to it’s knees. Something I think the other super powers in the world would be dying to do…Like China or Russia maybe???
These types of rumors/lies can only be started by either the mentally ill or people who have no grasp on the reality of their implications….I think it’s more of the first the the latter..
blue pill society Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Hey reconmarine, why don’t you talk about the article which is about how our governments employed the same tactics that were used against us in previous conflicts and are prohibited under many different conventions as barbaric and nationally illigal. why don’t you chime in on the actual debate instead of pushing your propaganda. Please give your opinion of your government violating law and resorting to barbarianism. Any comment recon???
Phracktivist Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Knee-jerk idiots never address the facts or the topic at hand.
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
barbarianism? So, the things we go through during the resistance portion of SERE school can be done to spec ops troops and pilots but not to terrorists with information capable of preventing future attacks?
Pulling someones finger nails out and making them think your going to do that is 2 completely different things. Sleep dep? Girls go through that in Boot Camp. Waterboarding? Oh well.
Stop being such a pussy.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
So why didn’t they torture SH (even to death, rather than hanging him) to reveal where those Iraqi WMDs were? Hmmm? Remember the ‘imminent’ threat? What happened to it? Did it just vanish in a puff of smoke, like a magician’s trick, by bush?
templi Beholder Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
this world is gross man thank goodness people get out
The Purpose of Torture is Torture Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 am
Many of those captured and sent to US detention/torture facilities were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or turned in by other Afghanis or Iraqis that had a grudge against them or simply for the reward money. Beating a confession out of someone does not make them a terrorist. Hundreds have died in custody. Dozens at least were tortured to death: beaten to death, strangled to death, died of heart failure, blood clots, hypothermia etc as a result of their treatment. Do you think having attack dogs chew on a hapless victim or sexually humiliating them is all in good fun? Have you seen the photos from Abu Gharib? Perhaps like your hero and mentor Rush Limbaugh, you belive this to be the equivalent of a fraternity hazing? Your pathetic attempt to soft-peddle this is sickening, but predictable.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
recon, when are you going to reply to my post at:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/91.....t-911.html
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Idiot
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
That shows you are not even an intellectual pygmy, peon. Try and rebut what I said in precise and clear logic. Otherwise, YOU will just be considered the resident village idiot, a laughing stock. Perhaps you didn’t want to say more in case you showed up – again – how ignorant you are of the English language. Perhaps you are a wetback? lol
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Ralph- I think by how easy it is to find me, and my continued offers for ANYONE to debate me on the radio, it’s a bit disingenuous to say Im running from anything. If you have a question I missed, copy into a new forum, I don’t want to go back to archives and answer everyone’s late questions. Say what you will, I will answer any questions asked, here or on the radio. If I don’t know the answer, Ill tell you i don’t. If you show me evidence of an inside job or controlled demolition, Ill be the first to apologize and admit I was wrong. To this day, I haven’t seen jack shit that shows any of your theories to be true…..
So, ask the question, and Ill answer it.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I gave you the link – here it is again:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/91.....t-911.html
If I can go back there, then so can you, and it can’t be too hard for you to search the web page for my name and reply there, keeping it on topic, right? I don’t do radio; here is better, in black and white.
Yeager Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
‘my continued offers for ANYONE to debate me on the radio’
What on earth are you talking about Reconmarine?
Not too long ago you claimed you are marine serving in Iraq.
Now you are telling us you are such a recognised expert on 911 that you are called on to radio shows to spout the ‘official’ government version.
‘I think by how easy it is to find me’ (sic)
You keep saying this but you dont follow it up. Explain what you mean by this.
they always run Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
he always runs away. and president christian is probably the dumbest person on this entire site. i gave up on his dumbass a LONG time ago. beyond brainwashed.
Phracktivist Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
If you’re going to criticize, at least have a working clue of both sides of the argument.
Sitting in front of your computer and figuring “that’s stupid, therefore, it’s not real”, doesn’t cut it.
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
INVESTIGATE THIS SITE AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GET OFF OF THE 911 THERORY.
FOOL.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Moron. How much money do you think has been made off 911, and even more so the Iraqi invasion?
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Oath Keepers are coming for you PUNK
recon lives in a ME "outpost" Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
“Do you realize it would require over 30 years of terrorist acts to have all been done by the US?”
Prolly attacked the USS Liberty too, aint that right “reconmarine.”
OGuillory Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
…I am certainly glad you are not in a unit as a “recon” for any military unit I know of…..could you imagine having to rely on someone as dense as you in a life or death situation?………..now that would be scary…..and just for the hell of it…..yes, dummy false-flag attacks have happened repeatedly in the history of the US…..remember the maine…..just a few dead spanish, cubans and philipinos.(fact)…..pearl harbor…..us government knew it was coming (fact)….. gulf of tonkin…lies and few million dead(fact)……attacks on the athletes in munich….run by mossad.(fact)……operation gladio….plenty of dead europeans…(fact)…..
so, are you really this stupid or do you get paid to hang arond here and make an ass of yourself?
Regards,
O’Guillory
_hurley Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the Al qaeda IS made up by the CIA. It was made up during the russo afghan war.
But really… if terrorism existed in the US, more douchebags would be walking into Walmart ( please, just do it!) and blowing themselves up.
it doesn’t take any planning to be a terrorist.
Just a little anfo and a car.
No conspirators, not a lot of planning…
not a lot of money…
they don’t even have to be BIG booms… little booms would do it…
but there are none.
NONE.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Torture always works…just ask the folks who gave us the Spanish Inquisition.
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
it kinda depends on what you define torture as………………………
Waterboarding, playing loud music, sleep deprivation?
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Well GOOD!
When we ARREST YOUR SORRY ASS we will KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR YOU PUNK!
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Our nation was founded on the concepts that humans — all humans, any nationality — are created with certain intrinsic rights. Among those rights were the right to be free of cruel or unusual punishment and the right to not be forced to testify against oneself.
Any American who thinks that torture is OK is a traitor, yes, even if they are a President, a Christian or a Recon Marine. Any American who supports torture might just as well cut out all the false patriotism, catch a bus to Arlington Cemetery and go take a leak on the graves of the men who died so that we would not be the sort of nation that torures prisoners.
blue pill society Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
well spoken
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
fuck you little liberal trolls. I would not torture but would slaughter any fucking muslim, killem all.
TOOLS R US Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
FOX NEWS BABY!! THE WAR ON TERROR!!! MUSLIMS EVIL!! ONLY AMERICANS AND ISRAEL ARE GOOD! WOOOHHH! IGNORANCE IS BLISS AINT IT MORON!!!!!
93shootdown Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
What racism. Muslims are desecnt people, just walk down the street! 90% of muslims are not extremists. “Killem all” what a disgraceful racist comment. I hate Israel but I don’t hate Jews. The Ku Klux Klan is racist, so do I kill any Christian?
Hypothetical situation, you have a gun in one hand, and a five year old muslim girl in front of you. Would you shoot her?
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I dont support torture either. I support enhanced interrogation techniques that include making the bad guys think they have landed in a place that does torture. Like what we initially did with KSM. Depending on the exact nature of the technique and what the target information is, I dont consider the majority of the techniques described in recent media stories to be “torture”. Thats just my opinion.
I think the line about ” if we beat them up, they will beat us up” is complete bullshit and those that think that way need to go back and watch Daniel Pearl get his head slowly cut off.
The enemy we are facing today is unlike any other, just like enemies of the past were unique. As I stated before, having been face to face with way to many of these assholes, some of them will talk with cookies and milk or a playboy, and some need to be labeled in the jaw…Thats the way it is…
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
The JIG IS UP CRIMINAL+> http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
This as I said befor is NOW on the deask of some VERY PIST OFF JAG OFFICERS.
Time for you to HIDE and hope we don’t find you and your PUNK CRIME BOSSES!
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
president christian,
You Lose Man! I have full time job, never had a taste for dreads or tye-dye. You sound like a pissed off teenager! Get over yourself! Homicidal thoughts like that will get you nowhere.
reconmarine,
Those groups definately exist, people just don’t see them as a threat, I don’t. I’m more concerned about the people in power who stage these acts of “terror” around the world and then blame it on one of these organizations. false-flag ops. You’re a marine right? You should know what thats about right?
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
actually the scary thing is I am a pissed off christian who is well armed and coming to a neighborhood near you fuck face. Keep your eyes wide open and watch out were near.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
The thing is, you are NO Christian, you are a public disgrace.
Brian S Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
A pissed off, well armed Christian spelled with a lower case “c”…who over indulges St. Pauly Girl reeling off Satanic Limbaugh rants…Things that make you go Agnostic…
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Zack- The only time I have ever heard of “false flag” attacks is on conspiracy theory websites like this one…..I don’t know a single operator in the special operations communities who would ever participate in the killing of Americans, like what the collective theories regarding 9/11 imply. None would ever do that and none would ever stand bye and keep their mouth shut. We fight and will die for this country and it’s citizens and no threat to us or our families would be sufficient to keep us from outing anyone involved in 9/11.
This is one major reason why I know 9/11 wasn’t an inside job on the levels discussed here.
The majority of Americans in government and in the military are good people and wouldn’t allow it…..
john c Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Oh come now, surely you’ve heard of Operation Gladio, the Lavon Affair, Operation Northwoods, to name just a few of the better-documented false flag attacks. Agreed that you will for the most part only hear about them on ‘conspiracy theory websites’, but that certainly doesn’t mean they didn’t happen (or in one case was planned but vetoed).
I’m not questioning that most if not all US serviceman would under most circumstances refuse to kill Americans – but then none of the 9-11 theories that I’ve seen hold that the US Military played a major role. The numerous hijacking drills scheduled for the morning of 9-11 were specifically intended to neutralise any US Military response.
Check the recent discovery of nano-engineered thermite in WTC dust – that may open your eyes.
TOOLS R US Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
actually, hes waiting for the “experts”(meaning NIST or “debunker” websites) to tell him what to think of the latest paper on thermite. typical jarhead dummy.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
You did say majority, which leaves a minority. Ever heard of Operation Northwoods? Do you think cheney cares one bit about anybody in the military dying? Do you think anyone of the defense, sorry, OFfense contractors cares if people get killed? Do you think anybody of those in the BA pushing to invade Iraq care(d)?
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
PEER REVIEW FOLKS+> http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
rafjee Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Poor misguided child
Mak McErlain Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
You are a total imbecile
john c Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
Hey, RM … pay no attention to the name-callers. You sound like an intelligent and honorable fellow, perhaps a little too honorable to comprehend how greedy and evil the 9-11 perps were (and still are).
Too bad it’s not possible to hold a rational discussion on these boards without getting drowned out by the trolls and shills and megaphonies.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
The false reports about weapons of mass destruction shows that there needs to be improvements in the way the U.S. gathers information. Kicking the butts of thousands of Moslem radicals is not a good way to do it. Well paid informants that work deep within the enemy lines is the only successful way of getting quality information. Intelligent agents should develop a network of spies. It would replace the ineffective use of torture.
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Melvin- two things. 1) Tell Obama to stop dismantling our spie networks and
2) our spies can’t infiltrate every single threatening group out there. Some just need a .308 lobotomy when we find out they are planning an attack on our citizens………Thats you Melvin
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
WELL WELL YOU TALK BIG.
You never know who’s typing!
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm
911 as an inside job is still very much alive.
Are you STILL too stupid to realise that bush, cheney et al LIED, and continued to LIE, not only about 911, but about those alleged Iraqi WMDs? So where are those WMDs, moron, since bush stated the threat of attack was imminent, and that was years ago now, why did they stop looking, because cheney and rumsfeld stated they KNEW where the WMDs were, they couldn’t have said that without it being a LIE, right?
And since they captured SH, why didn’t they torture, waterboard HIM, until he revealed WHERE those WMDs were, as repeatedly claimed by cheney and rumsfeld and others, instead of executing him? If anybody would have known, it would have been saddam.
Why aren’t you in the ME being used as dumb cannon fodder for the military companies? Why do YOU want somebody else to die for YOUR way of thinking? Do it yourself, unless you are another thick coward.
And, you stupid, unintelligent excuse for a life, you can’t spread DEMOCRACY by bombing people into voting.
Finally, if you aren’t too stupid – although I think you are as evidenced in your post – try and write English better. Perhaps an Iraqi can help you do that.
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
First off I never claimed to be a english major, jerk face. As far as WMDs are concerned who gives a crap he was had mass graves idiot. If I was even near a scum like you I would fucking kill you asshole. Nothing better than seeing a little liberal squirming along with a republican while I fucking torture your family fucker. Then fuck your deads wife body. It would probably the best cock she ever got. Fucking dick heads like you need to die.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
It’s even worse than I thought. Never mind that you are ignorant, uneducated, low class scum etc, you are one sick moron which wouldn’t look out of place floating in a sewer with all the other excrement. YOU are precisely why wars are fought, because your intellectual superiors would simply and easily con types like you into fighting for whatever cause they decided to lie about, while using you as cannon fodder so that they could enjoy the spoils.
I wouldn’t recommend that you read War is a Racket by the late U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler – that’s for others who can actually appreciate the truths therein; for you, it’d just go right over the top of your head – because you also don’t believe in justice, freedom, and intrinsically, what’s right and wrong.
I don’t know if I’ll bother with sub-life trash like you, except to ridicule and humiliate you. Try and write something without opening your sewer mouth.
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
oh ralphy you soo much smarter than all of us. can I fuck your wife so she can see a real man in bed. sounds like you got little dick syndrom.
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
by the way “PRES” here is on more Peer Review to STUFF DOWN YOUR SICK TREASONUS THROAT=> http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....TOCIEJ.SGM
Gitmo is to good for F#*K’S like you.
OGuillory Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Uh,…Mr. President……
Other than verbally projecting your sexual insecurity and revealing how poorly educated you are……I’m wondering what your point is? I’m certainly not a believer….but I do admire what Jesus was supposed to have stood for. Is their one shred of his belief system that flows through your demented brain? I think not…
oh, and btw….I just retired from 20 years of working for the Department of Defense and you have no earthly idea how very corrupt the whole system is…..in fact, it must be very frightening for you to think about having to live in a world that is not corrupt, angry and filled with hatred…….now, if you’d like to threaten to come fuck my wife, go right ahead…..but you’ll have to choose between the two ex-wives and they may not meet your twisted, rapist emotional needs…..so if you are not staisfied by fucking them….come see me and I’ll help you along with that mental hard-on you have……..right before I kick your ass back to whatever poisoned womb you dropped out of…..
…see a doctor, preferably in Oregon where they have assisted suicide laws….it would be helpful to most of humanity…
Regards,
O’Guillory
templi Beholder Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Oregon eh? got it thanks.
12.160 Social Network Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Don’t feed the trolls.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Yet another bogus claim by govt fascists without any proof whatsoever! Typical govt bulls**t.
I have absolutely no faith or trust in the govt anymore. Everything they say IS A LIE and enough is enough.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Torture is NOT OK. It does not get truth if none is there. It really gets their frustrated rocks off to torture people. Just like the workers in factory farms that torture for pure enjoyment, these guys do it because they love to do it, and it is easy to get away with it, using the “national Security” excuse.
reconmarine Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
gee- Most of us dont think what was done was torture and if you read the reports, and hopefully more will be declassified, you will see what we did worked very well. Just because the plot was disrupted doesn’t take the severity of the threat away………It saved lives. lots of American lives.
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
OAT KEERERS are what (((YOU))) need to WORRY ABOUT FOR YOUR TREASON Mr.RECON http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
OOP”S OATH KEEPERS http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Just give some more time to Dick Cahney and he himself will give enough evidence that will amply prove his guilt.
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Bush and cheney were the best thing that happened to this country. Killing muslims is a good thing. Thanx Bush and cheney great job and now you left alot of caos. The only thing is you should have slaughtered more fucking muslims
93shootdown Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
You racist troll! Muslims are decent people! Christian? You shouldn’t be called human! 90% of muslims are decent people! The Ku Klux Klan is bad, so should I kill every Christian? If yo had a gun in one hand, and a five year old Muslim girl in front of you, would you kill her?
If Bush is so great, why is his approval rating the lowest in history? Please, you a well informed debate and not profanity, that I think most Christians should refrain from using.
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Learn to spell.
Learn grammar.
Learn how to use a real argument.
That’s all for now.
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
thats all you got faggot
president christian Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm
DAH DID YOU MISS MY FIRST SENTENCE IDIOT.
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Good article, good sources!
“Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.” –
— Henry David Thoreau
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
911 was inside job… LOL
IDIOTS. GET A LIFE YOU LOSERS LOSE NOW WHAT IS THE NEXT CONSPIRACY? ALIENS LOCKNESS MONSTER BIGFOOT???
STUPID PARANOID FUCKS GET ALIFE
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
You LOOK LIKE A FOOL (BOY)
A Freeman Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Aliens for sure… did you see that astronaut edgar mitchell is a proponent of ending the truth embargo on ufos?
and try to argue constructively, not by name calling! its more effective…
Brian S Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Heres a good “conspiracy theory”…you have a functioning brain based soley on logic backed by common sense analysis of the issues all tied together by fact…
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
NOW THAT IS (((SPOT))+>ON!
Critical thinking skill’s WOW!!!!!!
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
this is a sick joke – you know how many things this guys confessed to under torture?? heres a list of them courtesy of the BBC:
-The February 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City
-A failed “shoe bomber” operation
-The October 2002 attack in Kuwait
-The nightclub bombing in Bali, Indonesia
-A plan for a “second wave” of attacks on major U.S. landmarks to be set in the spring or summer of 2002 after the 9/11 attacks, which includes more hijackings of commercial airlines and having them flown into various buildings in the U.S. including the Library Tower in Los Angeles, the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Columbia Center in Seattle and the Empire State Building in New York
-Plots to attack oil tankers and U.S. naval ships in the Straits of Hormuz, the Straits of Gibraltar and in Singapore
-A plan to blow up the Panama Canal
-Plans to assassinate Jimmy Carter
-A plot to blow up suspension bridges in New York City
-A plan to destroy the Sears Tower in Chicago with burning fuel trucks
-Plans to “destroy” Heathrow Airport, Canary Wharf and Big Ben in London
-A planned attack on “many” nightclubs in Thailand
-A plot targeting the New York Stock Exchange and other U.S. financial targets
-A plan to destroy buildings in Eilat, Israel
-Plans to destroy U.S. embassies in Indonesia, Australia and Japan in 2002.
-Plots to destroy Israeli embassies in India, Azerbaijan, the Philippines and Australia
-Surveying and financing an attack on an Israeli El-Al flight from Bangkok
-Sending several “mujahideen” into Israel to survey “strategic targets” with the intention of attacking them
-The November 2002 suicide bombing of a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya
-The failed attempt to shoot down an Israeli passenger jet leaving Mombasa airport in Kenya
-Plans to attack U.S. targets in South Korea
-Providing financial support for a plan to attack U.S., British and Jewish targets in Turkey
-Surveillance of U.S. nuclear power plants in order to attack them
-A plot to attack NATO’s headquarters in Europe
-Planning and surveillance in a 1995 plan (the “Bojinka Operation”) to bomb 12 American passenger jets
-The planned assassination attempt against then-U.S. President Bill Clinton during a mid-1990s trip to the Philippines.
-”Shared responsibility” for a plot to kill Pope John Paul II
-Plans to assassinate Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf
-An attempt to attack a U.S. oil company in Sumatra, Indonesia, “owned by the Jewish former [U.S.] Secretary of State Henry Kissinger”
-The beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl (despite Omar Saeed Sheikh being charged for it)
this is like hes some kind of supervillain straight out a comic book! this should in itself prove torture is useless in obtaining legitimate information, even before you discuss the abomination of human rights it entails
Keepitsimplestupid (KISS) Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Hey Mr. Activist, you missed a few;
He manufactured the nano thermate whilst disguised as a cook at the CIA lunch place.
He arranged for the Ports Authority to place it in the lift wells of the towers over a year while they were doing some renos up to the day of the mass murder. [see 911blogger.com]
He arranged for someone to wire all the thermate up whilst they were pretending to do a ‘net upgrade’. [see the video 911 mysteries or Zero etc, forgotten which one]
He arranged for the standown of the whole of the US airforce.
He arranged for the ‘Pentagon flight’ to approach the Pentagon unheeded.
He arrnged for Cheny to ensure thas the ‘orders still stand” to enable the Pentagon plane to approach.
He and his marvelous ingenious technicians replaced an ordinary 757 with a plastic model that sqeezed into the 16ft wide Pentagon hole.
He arranged for the Pensylvania crash site to be devoid of plane parts and be just a big hole.
He told all his spiv mates to invest in put options to score a motza on the murders.
He told other spiv mates to get down there and ‘document’ the event from the top of a van and have a good laugh as people jumped to their deaths or were
‘evaporated’ by the exploding thermate.
He ararnged for all those miltary exercises on 9/11 so that every one would be confused and could say they were.
He spoke with God and arranged with him (or) her to suspend the laws of physice to enable building No 7 to fall at freefall speed for at least 2.25 second (per NIST) indicating that the building structure belowjust instantaneously vanished. (Now why doesn’t the brilliant US CIA have a go at waterboarding God on this pont? The CIA, I Thought was God, gee how wrong the world has been) God regrettably stuffed up his/her work on the towers, they fell at a bit over ‘freefall’ speed’. The again God is a dreadfull engineer, just lok at what he designed in Cheney.
Sorry, I am bored; so many questions, so few answers, so much water. Dear Oh dear America the world is laughing at you and the lying incompetence of your CIA. Not to mention the gyullible ‘dumbness’ of your society at large.
Sorry forgot; KSM also wrote “My Pet Goat” and arranged for Cheney to ensure that Bush had it on his lap at the school, I think the message provided to George was one of those subliminal ones from his dear friend, DICK!!??
A Freeman Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
hi, can you post the source for that list? nice post…
Keepitsimplestupid (KISS) Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
All available from 911blogger.com and the links in the string of links down the left hand side.
I made up the Pet Goat one, but I really do think on that day that George was Cheney’s pet goat.
I also made up the bit about God suspending the law of physics, sorry!!
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
A troll has struck………..gotcha ya.
Look out were here and watching the net. Your able to be traced right down to your home address. I would love to meet you during our interagation of you….
Were coming to a neighborhood near you.
C YA REAL SOON RALPHY YOUR FIRST ON THE LIST.
Ralph Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
And the FBI can’t trace you, moron?
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
MY MY what a sorry sick soul you have=> Do you see just how BRAIN DEAD you look to EVERY ONE with a brian.
This debat is OVER till this GOV provides a open REVEIW on the Dust from the towers.
The Jig is UP and this Gov is on NOTICE and is PRIM suspect in the MURDERS or all the GOOD FOLKS that died on 911(INCLUDING YOU Mr.PRES & Mr.Recon)
Line in the sand Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pm
WELL GOOD FOR YOU (SICK F*#K)
I bet you are a SICK LITTLE COWARD becase you would send others to thier DEATH’S
if you send out your CRIMINAL DOGS.
Just remember that ALOT of us have VERY GOOD SF TRAINING and the FIRE POWER and DOG #3 MEN to come to our aid.
Talk is CHEAP PUNK(Call my bluff) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Lets DANCE
Jerry Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
President “christian” good posts I hope you are doing them from your tour of duty fighting for your country in Iraq or Afghanistan
. I am sure having read your posts that you were probably one of the first to join up pushing people out of the way to get to the head of the recruitment line
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Silliness and nonsense
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Hey Recon Marine…you are dumber than a hammer!
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
HAAA My God are you blind.
Science and Math with repeatable forensic CAN’T LIE (ONLY TROLLS LIKE YOU DO)
Just check out this peer Review on the DUST from the towers BUBA=>
http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
It’s admisable EVIDENCE in ANY COURT OF LAW and the only way you can Debunk this is to
DO YOUR OWN PEER REVIEW(SO COME ON CRIMINAL LETS SEE YOUR REVIEW)
Till then this debat is OVER.
Go to the graves of the one’s that lost thier lives and ask them to forgive your TREASON
For this Peer Review is now on the DESK of some VERY GOOD JAG OFFICERS and the UMCJ has provisions for Treasonus acts such as this!
May your SOUL BURN IN HELL “PRES”
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
The government is corrupt
Here are some of my points-
The British before America was created had “colony’s” which were really military base’s back then so they pretty much owned a global empire at that time. But then there was a flaw in the system and the Governments started getting organized and took back there land. Now America wants to do this process again working with the British government why do you think we have such a close relation ship with the enemies of are past would you ever make peace with the government that wanted to control you like a dictator? Benedict Arnold was a military general who talked the British to coming back and attacking America in the “War of 1812″ he was hired to do this by High ranking Government officials which is not in the autobiography’s but in his private journal only published on one website but the the journal was removed and only a few still have the article printed but it is close to impossible to find them sorry. The events that are happening now have happen’d in Germany before the the Nazi take over and even some of the events that are happening now are exactly the same that have happen’d in Germany look up this information it is all true if you actually all true history repeats it’s self so it’s time for people to stop that and learn the truth! i am only a 14 year old guy but i’m president and get great grades in my junior high and i still have time to l,earn this stuff and learn the truth knowledge is power we must use are knowledge to stop things like whats going on now!
“The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything”
,Albert Einstein
“The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.”
,Albert Einstein
Anyone who doesn’t take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either.
,Albert Einstein
“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.”
, Albert Einstein
Brian S Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
good quotes….
April 22nd, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I haven’t seen any credible evidence that points to anything but interior explosives bringing the towers down. The neatly cut girders, The empty transnational planes, the crash site where no plane was, the two metre hole that held an entire commercial jet, INCLUDING the folding wings, which completely defies every law of motion….
the bush brother running security in the towers… the gag order on the NYFD, the book LAST MAN OUT published in support of the party line DESPITE this gag order.
But yeah, a kerosene fire can destroy the integrity of an acre of concrete, despite the fact that MOST of the fuel was burned upon impact.
you are absolutely correct, 19 terrorists did it… even the one who is in Cairo, asserting he was not killed. That lying bastard.
Yes virginia, your government lies to you every day.
April 23rd, 2009 at 12:08 am
christian is the biggest brain washed idiot on the web
Mak McErlain Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:38 am
I blame Monsanto for most of his problems
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:02 am
“Now time to go home to my beautiful home with my beautiful family and all my wealth.”, he cried angrily through his clenched teeth. Well, you don’t sound very happy, president christian (and why does a successful dude like you need such a childish and phallic tag?).
LittleLana Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 6:08 am
President Christian:
First – Go learn to spell. Many people are not English majors, however they do understand that writing like an idiot only makes them look fucking stupid and causes others to not take them seriously.
Second – EVERY SINGLE TIME I hear a man brag about his huge dick and amazing fucking skills, I always come to find out that he has one of the smallest dicks ever. It never fails.
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:39 am
That’s the CIA for you.
I heard Bill O’Reilly trying to claim the LA attack was prevented last night. Looks like Bill O gets his news directly from the CIA.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am
recon (a paid liar) and president christian (a 70 IQ mouth breather living in his mom’s basement) should really not be responded to–they are here to distract and lead good people astray–however, their apparent stupidity in the case of recon and their actual stupidity in the case of president really are entertaining–just keep posting links to the truth as responses and their agendas are foiled
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 am
I was waiting on this article – poor American sheeple – already across the “Internets” sheeple everywhere have jumped on this to defend the use of torture.
Thank goodness this season of 24 shows them how great it is at extracting both timely and relevant information!
(I actually enjoy that show – for the pure rediculous propaganda it is)
This article sums it up – the same ludicrous assertions will just be re-cycled ad nauseum until people accept it – most people having the attention span of gnats these days.
This article sure seems to have stirred Reconnpaidmarine to go into overdrive – guess his bosses don’t like their latest lies so easily and thoroughly debunked…
April 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 am
Haha!! Well, it seems the CIA (Criminals In Action) are victims of the mass dumbing down in the USA too, because they have been left with the memory retention of a goldfish.
Keep it up CIA and show the world what you’re really made of and who’s interests you serve!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Ron Jeremy?
lol