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CLOSE TO HOME: How can volunteerism in America be ‘mandatory’?
ANN JORDAN
pressdemocrat.com
Wednesday, March 25, 2009
My parents taught me to read every word of any contract I signed. Obviously Congress doesn’t follow that rule.
Already we have Congress’ frantic backlash from the AIG bonuses, which were in fact authorized by specific language buried deep in the stimulus bill that gave AIG its handout.
Now we have more dynamite buried in the GIVE Act (H.R. 1388), already passed in a whirlwind by the House and being fast-tracked in the Senate. The GIVE Act reauthorizes the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973, and also includes many more new programs encouraging Americans to volunteer and “give back” to their country. Who could object to this?
Yet, there are disturbing clauses which could change the institutions of this country in unprecedented ways. For example, the House version of the bill, in Section 6104, directs a committee to study: “The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service. (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.”
Shall we and our children then be “required” to perform national service? How can that requirement be “mandatory?”
It is one thing for schools to require community service, as many do now, since students have the option to attend another school or to home school. However, if enacted on a national level, such “mandatory service” is no longer voluntary, but in fact would be either conscription or involuntary servitude.
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March 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Does anyone keep up with the changes being made to the Bill? Section 6104 has been completely removed from the Bill, yet everyone still quotes it as the language making the Bill mandatory. Yes the language was there, but it isn’t in it anymore. Bills are dynamic and change drastically while they are being considered, that’s how the system works. Go to govtrack.us and look up the Bill and you’ll see that the questionable Sections have been removed.
dennis Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
they took out some of it but the language to look at how to implement mandatory service is still there.
HR 1444 Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 3:33 am
NO U ARE WRONG
HR 1388 has removed all legislation regarding mandatory service. The word mandatory is in the bill twice and both times the word is used it does NOT mandate service.. read it through and read the above paragraphs so that you understand what it actually means..
HR 1444 is the bill people need to read and worry about.
Say What! Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Dont kid yourself… they may have removed it…that’s not to say it hasn’t been re-worded and entered in again under a different section. If not now they will get such wording passed on bills which will follow this one.
YELLOWHAK1 Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
JETMECH: questionable Sections have been removed? how courteous of them. is that how it works? what should we do give them an A for effort. testing testing this is only a test.
P O F Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
You give them too much credit. They will either add it back or they will give the Secretary the ability to do whatever they feel best. Our Democratic Republic is losing itself. If you look at all of the latest departments being created, Congress is basically handing over its power to un-elected officials to do what they please. Bills do change but rarely for the better in Washington DC. And the last time I looked the Bill that the Senate will vote on is not available!!!
hellnotonwo Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
does anyone understand why section 6104 of H.R. 1388 wasn’t in the Senates version of the bill?
HR 1444 Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 3:36 am
because it was taken out.. and although both AJ and Paul Watson have been incorrect through and through.. THE FACT is that the TITLE VI of HR 1388 WAS removed by the HOUSE not the senate… the bill passed by the house did NOT include TITLE VI.
HR 1444 is a seperate bill that now includes the language from TITLE VI.
skippedit Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
The fact that it was ever entered at all should profoundly disturb you.
March 25th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Is this not against the 13th amendment that abolished slavery and involuntary service?
Am I the only one who thinks it’s ironic that Obama, a black man, reinstated slavery and servitude to the US. If this had been a white man that reinstated slavery, we’d have everyone out on the streets, burning the White House down, and hanging the President in Effigy. The NWO chose well, have a black man to enslave them, and they won’t say a thing.
yellowhak1 Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
charles: you got that right. my neighbors are black and i decided to see if they’d take the bait and i mentioned how obama and his newly appointed treasurer salazar have now gone back on their word to the lakota people and they instantly blamed bush and said obama probably made more promises then he could keep. i just shut up after that because i knew there was no point.
warrior woman Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 12:10 am
You are on point! How sad is that! An African who fails to submit a birth certificate and the court approves it! Is this deja vu? He is no doubt “chosen” by an elite to be a puppet well trained by its groomers to fill the slot to serve the goals of genocide with the u.s. paying for abortions in Africa! Even Bush jr. put a stop to that but Obama saw fit to bring it back but no lap dog press asked him about that though! To introduce slavery in a slave colony of what was a republic and is a democracy (mob rule – gangsters, criminal operated) this is such a travesty and a disgrace to what might have otherwise been a hope of a people to see an end to this corporation slaughter – but this too will end.
March 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Are we to wear a “Blue” cap or a “Grey” cap?
tcindie Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 1:07 am
Red. It looks nicer with the brown shirt, and it’s a much happier color than blue or grey.
March 25th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
The diabolic, sinister ambitions and actions of the “Illuminati” disguised currently under the NWO is hurting everyone. To better understand the confusion & corruption humanity is going through, it will be beneficial to read the Quran. Read it for yourself and make up your own mind. Dont be manipulated.
AllahsQuran.com (read & listen to the Quran)
WhatsIslam.com (basics of Islam in audio introduction)
ShareIslam.com (learn about Islam)
ProphetOfIslam.com (who was MUHAMMED? peace be upon him)
BibleIslam.com (who was JESUS? peace be upon him)
IslamsWomen.com (70% of new muslims in the west are women, why?)
God also reveals many scientific facts in the Quran to prove over and over to its authenticity.
Some of the revelations are:
-Big-Bang
-Creation & Evolution of Life from Water
-Expanding Universe
-Atomic Structure
-Geological Formations
-Black Holes
-Astronomical Systems
-Black Matter
QuranMiracles.com (learn about the scientific revelations in Quran)
ScienceIslam.com (learn about the scientific revelations in Quran)
Remember; the oldest original written Quran, dated about 1400 years old, is at Istanbul Museum, Turkey, with many copies of it in the world including one in the British Museum. There are also upto 30 million people in the world who have memorized it whole, cover to cover, word by word by, letter by letter by heart. So it is easy to cross-check anything about Islam.
ChatIslam.com (join free online classes and ask about Islam)
Peace, mercy & blessings of God be upon you all.
Dave Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I’m sick of people pushing their religious shit in the comments section. None of your religious books are gonna make this shit go away. If I convert to Islam right now it’s not gonna do shit to overturn this GIVE Act so stop acting like it will.
ConcernedHuman Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Thank you for your comment Dave.
Quran does mention the sinister and diabolic oppressors, just like the very same one humanity is facing today, the NWO-Illuminati, it outlines all the aspects of such oppression and gives remedies to it.
Of course if one doesnt read it one can not understand all this.
I never knew about all this prior to reading the Quran and researching about Islam.
I too had very negative thoughts about Islam like many people might, but that was just my choise of ignorance.
Afterall, life is a journey of choises aint it?
Truth can only prevails when one has a sincere desire and effort to seek knowledge.
My best wishes to you, both in this and next life.
Misha Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Actually the same information is available in the Bible (it contains an enormous amount of prophecy), the Talmud (the works from which Christianity and Islam sprung) and if you really want a handle on things then the Dao De Jing will give you everything you ever need to know.
notadrone Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
oh goody:/
meanjean Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
For God’s sake, Concerned, pls keep your endless crap out of these comments. Go blow your BS horn on some street corner. If you don’t have anything intelligent to say, shut up.
ConcernedHuman Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Thank you for your comment MeanJean.
I am merely conveying a message of truth.
If you deem it is not worth it, you are free to ignore it.
If you deem it is not right, you are free to not think alike.
There is no compulsion in Islam.
However, truth can only arise if one has a sincere desire and effort to gaining knowledge.
Life is a journey of choices, whatever you choose I wish you the best in this and next life.
Misha Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
mj, — and your comment WAS intelligent? How eloquent.
adam Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
there should be a digg type thing where if its spam we can remove it
March 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I think national service is a good idea, actually.
Gunnery Sgt. Hartman Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Matt,
Then by all means VOLUNTEER for something involving national service. What is right for you may not be right for all. This is the “land of the free” and that means free to say no. The government has no right to force you.
YEAH! Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
nicely said gunnery sgt.
Matt Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
National service jobs are actually less accessable to some people than you would think. Though I agree, volunteering is the best way to go.
March 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Jet Mach:
‘(B) service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.
The legislation was last up dated at 3/25/09 at 12:02 pm and the text is still the same.
March 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Maybe this new program will be like the IRS. The IRS code calls it “Voluntary compliance” when you pay your taxes. That of course is doublespeak. Most of us wouldn’t volunteer to pay our taxes, so you are complying with the system for fear retribution. Perhaps Voluntry compliance with this new national service for young people will be similar, voluntary at first until later when people become disallusioned with it, they will force you to serve because of some new rule or regulation or national emergency or any other contrived reason. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
Gunnery Sgt. Hartman Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
The IRS is very sneaky in the way they trap you into “voluntary compliance”. When you sign one of their forms (1040) under “penalties of perjury” you are basically admitting (unknowingly) to be subject to their “laws”. I’m in the process of reading (just started reading it yesterday) Cracking the Code by Hendrickson and learning more. find at http://www.losthorizons.com
March 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
You´re going to have war against Russia and China coalition, that´s why everyone is being “Recluited”. But this war is lie, like every war is lie. That´s why Obama didn´t retreated troops from middle-east. BE PREPEARDED.
March 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I got no pops for this story on clipmarks – whatever Obama wants, the youth will do!
March 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
OpenCongress Summary:
The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act would dramatically increase funding for AmeriCorps and other volunteer programs, including those for seniors and veterans. It also establishes a goal of expanding from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to 250,000, and would increase education funding and establish a summer service program for students, paying $500 (which would be applied to college costs) to high-school and middle-school student who participate.
In its current form, the legislation does not include a mandate requiring service.
tbone Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Wow,$ 500.00 ,might pay for half of the books at indoc., school!!!
HR 1444 Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 3:38 am
finally someone who read the bill . THANK YOU.
people go look up HR 1444 that is the mandatory service bill that if passed would create a commission to research mandatory service to make recommendations for further legislation.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
IT’S CALLED DEMOCRACY FOLKS. STOP BEING COMPLACENT CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND ACTUALLY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR COUNTRY. VOLUNTEERISM EQUATES TO CIVIC MINDED CITIZENS. WOW, THAT’S SINISTER.
quantum leap Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Well, you’ve obviously got more trust in government than most people at this blog, I will give you that. What is it that gives you so much faith in “Volunteerism equating to civic minded citizens ?” I will take the blue pill (ignorance is bliss) if there is compelling reasons to trust the government. But when you’ve taken the red pill and have seen how deep the rabbit hole goes……
Commentitus Reply:
March 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
You’re shouting so loudly I can’t hear what you say.
MARK OF THE BEAST Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 9:44 am
JPJ
IT IS COLLED COMMUNISM YOU BRAINWASHED CLOWN.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Mandatory Volunteerism is against the 13th Amendment for sure. But, Google “The Missing 13th Amendment” and you’ll find that there was another 13th Amendment and the current one abolishing slavery was placed over it. Very interesting.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
In Section 1201, subsection 111, part (5) refers to:
“developing civic engagement programs that promote a better understanding of: (A) Principles of the Constitution, heroes of American History (including military heroes) and the meaning of the OATH OF ALLEGIANCE.”
Okay, here ’s my question: I have a print-out from ‘prisonplanet’ entitled “Obama’s Hitler Youth?” dated 1/30/09 that contains the following:
“…according to Michele Chang. ‘A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution,’ Chang writes.”
So, according to this, the white house wants to change the wording of the OATH OF ALLEGIANCE our service personnel take when they join the military — and in HR 1388, as I stated above, children will be required to KNOW THE MEANING OF THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. Does anyone else here see a connection and if so, can anyone tell me HOW I can possibly verify this quote by Michele Chang? Here’s the link to the complete article:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ob.....-oath.html
Thanks for your help.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
What makes you think that Congress gives a shit about you????????
March 25th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I wonder if he is going to make his daughters do the “involuntary servitude”. What is the point of calling the bill “the GIVE Act” if we are going to be forced to do it? I hate when they give a law a name that is opposite of what it actually is.
More tyranny bills get passed and only a few of us notice it. Our kind (the enlightened) is a rarity. God help us!!
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Danielle Reply:
March 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
It is called the G.I.V.E. bill because they want it to sound nicey- nice. Like, who would vote against the G.I.V.E. bill? What monsters! It is just another one of the governments doublespeak programs to get you to think one thing while you are (being forced) to do another.
-Danielle
http://www.theyreallliars.com
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March 25th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
If you want to get to the bottom of these issues and discover the truth AJ refuses to investigate or talk about, go here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchThemWiggle
Forced National Service? Humm. I can think of 1 state called Israel that does this. Oops, maybe that is where Rahm Emanuel learned this, since he did leave America during 1st Gulf War to go volunteer for Israeli Military.
Dont you think AJ should be talking about these criminals? Instead, he touts a boogy man called the illuminati. Who runs AJ’s illuminati? What is their creed? I know who runs it and I know their creed, do you?
Truth Is Power Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 1:18 am
National Service in Israel is for the ARMY, not for any civilian activities and not for children. It is a very small Country which has been attacked constantly in modern times since 1948 and must defend it’s citizens. However the Arab/Muslim citizens are NOT required to participate. They do not have to defend the Country. Also, Jews are NOT allowed in Muslim towns EVEN WITHIN Israel itself. The Arabs/Muslims can go ANYWHERE THEY LIKE, but the Jews are restricted. Jews are not allowed into the PA, they are not allowed in Saudi Arabia and many other Countries, but Israel allows THEM into Israel. Ask yourselves really… Isn’t it the Muslims who practice apartheid?!
March 25th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
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March 25th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
URGENT, THIS JUST IN!
US GOVERNMENT SAYS INCOME TAX IS ALSO VOLUNTARY!
So, slaves, go “volunteer”.
Because if you don’t, well, just like if you refuse to file a voluntary income tax, you be getting a visit from an official from the government.
For the people who support this Bill, you get that gotdamn IRS to answer our petitions for redress concerning this “Voluntary Income” tax or you can take “service to the country” and shove it up your gotdamn ass.
Comprende?
March 26th, 2009 at 3:04 am
amerika is focked…
March 26th, 2009 at 3:17 am
amerika is focked…
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March 26th, 2009 at 3:40 am
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March 26th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Well just like everthing else they do get the bill in first then amend it!!!
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March 26th, 2009 at 6:55 am
There will be no national required volunteer service in the USA. So relax.
March 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
DO YOU NOT SEE IT STARING YOU IN THE FACE????? IF SOMEONE HAD NOT NOTICED IT IN THERE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MANDATORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
“My parents taught me to read every word of any contract I signed. Obviously Congress doesn’t follow that rule”
This is obviously what happened. They passed it in one day, but it takes me four days just to read the bill, and I am still confused. The senators that passed it claimed that it was their understanding that the service would still be voluntary, but there is wording in two different places that specifically says mandatory. Also, why would they even make a law unless it was to be mandatory? It is not like these people are afraid of writing earmarks in other bills! I am angry, however I am not terribly afraid, as I honestly believe that people will refuse, and there are not enough prison cells for us all. On my blog I give exact advice on how to change this (http://theyreallliars.com/2009.....back.aspx). It is a little wordy, I wanted to give every reason I could for why this shouldn’t be and why it won’t work, but at the end there is specific advice on what I would do to fix this. If we all refuse, or most of us refuse, they will HAVE to overturn the bill. It is just the way it works. And that will cause such an uproar against the Obama administration that they will not try this kind of thing in the future.
-Danielle
http://www.theyreallliars.com
A mostly political blog that isn’t Republican or Democrat.