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Concerns About Chemtrails Given Fresh Impetus
Obama administration’s announcement to explore “geo-engineering” spurs questions about programs already underway
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, April 10, 2009
The Obama administration’s announcement to explore “geo-engineering” the environment in the name of preventing global warming has given fresh impetus to concerns about whether such programs are already underway in the guise of chemtrails.
Chemtrails differ from ordinary contrails in that they hang in the sky for hours and are often observed to be emitted from planes that fly criss-cross routes, leading to the formation of ‘X’ and grid-like patterns in the sky. Chemtrails also directly effect localized weather by turning a clear blue sky into a hazy overcast.
Last year, a KSLA news investigation found that a substance that fell to earth from a high altitude chemtrail contained high levels of Barium (6.8 ppm) and Lead (8.2 ppm) as well as trace amounts of other chemicals including arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium and silver. Of these, all but one are metals, some are toxic while several are rarely or never found in nature. The newscast focuses on Barium, which its research shows is a “hallmark of chemtrails.” KSLA found Barium levels in its samples at 6.8 ppm or “more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA.”
KSLA also asked Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, about the effects of Barium on the human body. Ryan commented that “short term exposure can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains and that long term exposure causes blood pressure problems.” The Poison Control Center further reported that long-term exposure, as with any harmful substance, would contribute to weakening the immune system, which many speculate is the purpose of such man-made chemical trails.
Indeed, barium oxide has cropped up repeatedly as a contaminant from suspected geoengineering experimentation.
KSLA also put aerosolized-chemical testing in its historical context, citing a voluminous number of unclassified tests exposed in 1977 Senate hearings. The tests included experimenting with biochemical compounds on the public. KSLA reports that “239 populated areas were contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969.”
The announcement this week that the Obama administration has held discussions regarding the possibility of “geo-engineering” the earth’s climate to counter global warming by “shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays” has stoke fresh concerns that similar programs are already underway, and that chemtrails are directly connected to such experimentation.
Indeed, as we covered in previous article, numerous universities and government agencies have been conducting studies in this field for years.
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In addition, the Obama administration’s interest in exploring “geo-engineering” mirrors recent publications penned by the elite Council On Foreign Relations.
In a document entitled Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering, the CFR proposes different methods of “reflecting sunlight back into space,” which include adding “small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere,” adding “more clouds in the lower part of the atmosphere,” and placing “various kinds of reflecting objects in space either near the earth or at a stable location between the earth and the sun.”
The proposals in the CFR document match exactly the atmospheric effects observed in the aftermath of chemtrail spraying.
An excellent new video summarizing concerns about chemtrails entitled Geoengineering and Eugenics has just been released by Media Rival Productions. This footage shows huge windowless airplanes dispersing chemtrails, as well as aircraft that appear to turn chemtrail emissions on and off in mid-flight. The fact that something is being deliberately dispersed is clear from the video and cannot be confused with crop-dusting which is done by light aircraft at low altitudes.
This video is a fantastic summary of the chemtrail issue and needs to go viral. We need to push the issue of chemtrails to the forefront of public awareness and force the corporate media to cover the subject. Only then will cracks begin to appear in the unified wall of denial that authorities have erected around the issue thus far.
The clip is embedded below along with two additional videos also recently put out by Media Rival Productions.
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April 10th, 2009 at 5:28 am
The first pic looks like a shot Tom Bearden posted of a grid laid years ago over Huntsville Alabama. NASA facility there.
asdf3 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 6:39 am
CHEMTRAILS SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION
WEATHER MODIFICATION AND ADVANCED BIOLOGICAL WARFARE
http://neoreplicant.blogspot.com
April 10th, 2009 at 5:42 am
JOEL THE K WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN ALEX JONES FIGHT AGAINST CHEMTRAILS AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER BY FILMING CHEMTRAILS HERE IN OHIO AND SENDING THE FOOTAGE TO ALEX, TO USE FOR HIS BIGGEST FILM EVER, COMING OUT NEXT YEAR POSSIBLY. Patriots Cave urges you to film chemtrails in your area too, and send the footage to Alex along with a use consent agreement. I am very excited to have a chance at helping AJ in this fight and possibly even appearing in his film. Nobody has the right to spray everybody else. This MUST stop.
http://www.PatriotsCave.blogspot.com (the only website using more memory than “the BEAST” in Belgium.
Video and Cameras Reply:
April 13th, 2009 at 11:54 am
I agree with Joel the K. On Saturday April 4, 2009 a series of chemtrails was laid out across the sky here in East Tennessee. I can’t believe I didn’t take pictures or video, I think I was too flabergasted at the sight to think of anything but stare up! From now on I’m taking photos and video and documenting these occurences on a calendar for the record. Then this information can be compiled and presented.
Now, I just need to learn how to collect the chemicals (barium, etc.) that fall to the earth and have them analyzed. Is there a way for me to do this?
April 10th, 2009 at 6:05 am
The top picture looks the same as what I was seeing last summer in the upper mid-west. This morning the chemtrails have started this morning with 3 west to east ribbons of mist that will by this late morning turn into clouds. It is and has been happening for years.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:10 am
I too have watched planes spraying chemtrails. One actually flew across the sky, doubled back, the spray turned BLACK and then shut off as the plane began to head away.
But far as nobody having the right to spray everybody else, well, that also happens every time they spray pesticides over an area or herbicides too. So we have more troubles than just chemtrails.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Already spraying here is morning, the sky should be nice and hazy here in a bit. With my high power binocs, I can easily see that the planes are military.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Dude is Alex stopping you from researching the Knights of Malta?
NO. So stop bitching about things from your mousepad and take action.
hey assclown Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 7:26 am
i’d rather keep doin your mom
Kevin Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Knights of Malta? I am a Knight templar and a Knight of Malta,and order of the red cross, a york rite mason and a 33 degree mason so what the deal with the knight of malta
[Editor's Note:] Some idiot floated the phrase as being censored… it wasn’t… but like yelling fire in a theater, even though their were no flames, a bunch of sheep like here, stampeded… JTCoyoté
na Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
What you stand for is evil and you know it. All should search Youtube for the prophecy club introduction to freemasonry. Satanist.
templi beholderberger Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
He s got nothing to do with me
Preston Taylor Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Please read Beyond The Light of Masonry…You eyes will be open! Also check out the Unseen Hand, Medusa Files, Behold a Pale Horse and get updated on knwoldege, but I challenge you to read Beyond the Light of Masonry.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Same thing here in Serbia. Planes fly frequently over my house and I get to see chemtrails almost everyday, sometimes a dozen at a time. We all know how contrails look like, so I would like to hear at least “official” version for these events.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:05 am
This is about slowly poisening the population as well. Why do you think there are so many new incurable diseases now adays? Mycoplasma engineered “auto-immune”illnesses like MS, Graves, Lupus, Gulf War Illness, Lyme, Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc, etc… The list is endless…. Depopulation and disabiling agents are very real and have been ongoing for quite sometime now. There is also of course the billions of dollars worldwide that are made from these types of activities…
Video and Cameras Reply:
April 13th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Here is my question: the spraying will also EFFECT the people who control the spraying, right? Aren’t they worried that they and their families will be affected? Isn’t Obama worried his daughters are exposed to this stuff just as much as we are… and it’s more polluted in Washington, D.C.!
April 10th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I forgot to mention that my country have only four Mig29, the rest of the jet fighters and military planes are junk, so I too need power binoculars to check these planes out, although most of them are landing on a nearby Belgrade airport. What is strange about it is that almost nobody I talked to have noticed the chemtrails. This is their most powerful tool – human ignorance.
asdf2 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 8:16 am
See if you can identify the planes… generally they will be KC-10s, KC-135s, or 757s.
KC-10: three engines total: one under each wing, one in tail
KC-135: four engines total: two under each wing
757: two engines total: one under each wing
Sushi123 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Same here in Germany, it s*cks big time. Good thing everybody can build their chembusters, too… and they do a good job indeed.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:44 am
mybe they are getting the atmosphere ready for are alien reptile overlords to come out and breath without there underground bases helping them stay alive ?? just a thought terror forming so to speak ??
cooooookie Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
It’s ‘Terraforming’ …and your a nut!
na Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
He purposely spelled it that way. get over yourself.
Beavis Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Jason:
I believe the ‘Greys’ like a chlorine atmosphere.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am
When the G-20 stop spraying, run for your life.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Maybe its time to go spray something back at them.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:56 am
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April 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Maybe we should spray them back soon?
April 10th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Does anyone know where the airfields are that these flights originate from? Who supplies the chemicals? Who delivers the loads?
asdf2 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 8:22 am
The flights originate at military air bases, at least in the United States. One main hub where this was developed and tested is Wright Patterson AFB, but the flights come off many military air bases nowadays. Internationally, it’s run through NATO.
No one knows who supplies the chemicals (which are actually hybrid biological/semiconductor nanotechnology)… it was developed at Los Alamos National Labs… we know Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and especially BAE (British Aerospace) are involved. Also Hughes Electronics but that is now part of Raytheon. I suspect one of the biggest secrets is where they are producing the mixes.
We know they are delivered by truck, though.
They could be possibly coming out of Oak Ridge National Labs in Tennessee. see: http://www.carnicom.com/truck1.htm
The loads are being delivered by some sort of contractor with high clearance. One of the contractors is possibly a company known as “Trimac”.
“Trimac is the fifth largest tank company in the
United States, with a system of tanks, ships, tank
farms, rail car tanks, highway tankers and
terminals serving the chemical industry. Trimac is
owned by Rentokil Initial of the UK which employs
140,000 people in over 40 countries.They haul
pesticides and chemicals for BASF,DuPONT,BAYER,
and all the other big chemmies.
Feel free to email me at jones.alexander39@gmail.com
justme Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
i usually see kc 135 stratotankers. in the tampa area, they come from the area where mcdill air force base is. best to you, just me
April 10th, 2009 at 8:19 am
I have some questions for any of you in the know about this. I have an open mind about but I would not be suprised in the least to discover that this is all part of a mind control/population control plot.
First of all:
Do we have incontrovesial testimony from experienced pilots about what these trails are?
I mean why do the trails still originate directly behind the engines? If they were spewing chemicals you would imagine that you would see the chemtrails come out of another and separate area of the plane, no? Are they mixing the chemicals with the fuel? Highly unlikely. And if not, why do we not see both chemtrails and the contrails?
And as for the trails turning on and off, is it not possible that the exhaust is hitting cold spots and hot spots of air intermitantly as it travels rapidly in the atmosphere. This is after all what we experience as turbulence as we fly, no?
As I said I am open to proofs amd we need more hard evidence regards this. So what do the professional pilots say about this. Anyone can enlighten us?
Mike in Michigan Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 8:28 am
You better look again. There are clear shots of “pods” on the wings of some of those planes that spray and then stop. Also, there are planes producing trails from their tail section.
Sushi123 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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asdf2 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
http://neoreplicant.blogspot.com
1) No, I do not know of any public testimony from pilots, but it may exist.
2) The trails originate from underneath the wing usually, the planes are modified with spray adapters. I believe this modification is done by Spirit Aerosystems (a subsidiary of Boeing). The spray adapters are designed to make it look like engine exhaust. The reason for the ‘delay’ is because the aerosols are dessicated (water has been removed).
3) Are they mixing chemical with the fuel? Doubtful. I say this because high temperatures in a jet engine would be likely to screw up the expensive nanotech. I think the planes are modified to disperse the aerosols.
4) Contrails occur under specific conditions: high relative humidity, low temperature. Contrails do not usually form at temps above -41C.
5) No the reason for “turning on and off” is because the dispersion adapter is quite literally, turning on and off, probably instructed to do so via a computer algorithm on the ground which associates the plane with geospatial location, wind conditions, etc.
Feel free to email me at jones.alexander39@gmail.com
Also I suspect many of the flights these days are actually drones. DARPA hasn’t been sitting on it’s ass since the early 80s you know.
Chris in the Caribbean Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am
I am afraid asdf2 your answers here me seem to be inadequate.
1. Why are no pilots talking about this? Not even one experinced airline pilot can enlighten us?
2. Of course the trails appear originate from underneath the wings because we see the plane from the ground and could not possibly origate from over the wing. what I asked was why did they originate from a linear position exactly behind the engines.
There are nor pods at all visible as you have said. Tell me at what time frame do you see them and please post me a still photo that encircles them if you can. I can not see any. yOU SAY YOU THINK THAT THE PLANES ARE MODIFIED TO DISPERSE THE SPAYS…BUT EARLIER YOU SAY YOU CAN SEE THE PODS. SO WHICH IS IT ?
3.Yes, agreed that the chemicals could not be mixed with the fuel. But they still appear to exit exactly behind the engines. To what nanotech do you refer to?
4. So all the planes that are spraying never ever produce both a contrail and chemtrail at the same time? In other words they stay away from atmospheric conditions and altitude thay would normally produce contrails in order to fool us into thinking they are only emitting contrails?.. Please explain…I am not being sarcastic here my friend I really want to know what is goin on.
5 You say…..No the reason for “turning on and off” is because the dispersion adapter is quite literally, turning on and off, probably instructed to do so via a computer algorithm on the ground which associates the plane with geospatial location, wind conditions, etc.
DO YOU HAVE SOLID PROOF OF THIS OR IS IT JUST A SPECULATION?
na Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Government shill/turd.
Sushi123 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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Red Elk Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Why don’t pilots or even meteorologists for that matter, speak out? Duh, you just don’t get it, do you? You think that these pilots, or these meteorologists want to lose their jobs? Man, don’t be naive. THESE PEOPLE ARE PAID TO KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT!! I know for a fact that TV meteorologists don’t divulge the obvious chemtrail operations because they have to sign federal non-disclosure paperwork. I would safely assume the air traffic controllers who are managing this insane increase in normal air activity on their ’70’s era technology are also prohibited about talking about it. Man, you people really need to start thinking outside your usual old paradigm of thinking!!
GWBUSHPIG Reply:
April 11th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Well Chris in the Caribbean there plenty of videos and pics on youtube on what these planes look like.This is one of the better videos which shows you the various planes and spraying apparatus used on these planes.It also shows you the inside of the plane with all the chemical containers.Enjoy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FO4GHBu_Hs
jimbo Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I would say this photo shows two trails from each engine…
http://xs129.xs.to/xs129/08294.....oke724.jpg
Thompson Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Even if they exhaust the chemtrails at the bottom of the plane they will be directed to the intense stream generated by the engines. They want to spread it more and more so they naturally exhaust them at the ends of the wings.
bullshit radar Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
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April 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Low altitude clouds keep the heat trapped to the ground. High altitude clouds have a cooling effect.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
They’ve been spraying like crazy here in Los Angeles. I walk around pointing it out to people on the street, asking them if they know what it is. Most people don’t seem to know, or don’t seem bothered by it. So far the best response I got was from some kids, they thought it was a bunch of skywriting airplanes. (Funny thing is, the skywriter’s smoke doesn’t stay up there for 1/10th the time that the chemtrails linger. It ususally blows away by the time they finish the last letter.)
Interesting video of planes with no windows. Why aren’t more pilots talking about this? Maybe pilots for 9-11 truth could get in on the debate. Anyone who has been flying for a while must be noticing this stuff up there.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
google indirect direct spraying campaign
you will get a ton of doc from the gov saying they have been doing this for years at least since 96 and before
April 10th, 2009 at 9:44 am
OBVIOUSLY the mystery of chemtrails has been solv-ed(as inspector Clousseau would say)..
Of course now the real fun begins as they kill us with this crap
April 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Has anyone mapped out where Chemtrails are NOT sprayed in America? And are there high concentrations of Elites inhabiting the Chemtrail-free areas? IS WASHINGTON DC A ZONE THAT IS FREE OF CHEM TRAILS??? Where do these Elites live and breathe and raise THEIR children???
Am especially curious after hearing that Obama and Bush eat organic food — not the genetically modified garbage foisted on the rest of us. Somehow, for example, Elite insider Richard Nixon knew NOT to board his scheduled Korean Air Lines Flight 007 back in the 1980s, when it was shot down… Or, for instance, somehow certain Elites knew NOT to be in New York on 9/11 even if they had events/appointments in NYC on that day. Seems Silverstein and his kids conveniently were NOT in the WTC on the morning of 9/11. The list goes on and on…
I would like to own the same model of Crystal Ball that these people have… am searching on eBay right now!!
asdf Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Nope , there’s chemtrails here in DC too. Our leaders are psychopaths.
tooth Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
The chemtrail activity over the Phoenix area has declined significantly in the last year. I always thought it was weird to have chemtrails here with the low humidity around the desert anyway. I am about to start taking video and logging when it does occur. Should be easier to keep track of now since it’s only about once a week or less.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am
This is what NWO is waiting for to implement thier plan 100%
http://www.geocities.com/markissrenne/final1.htm
April 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I have been researching chemtrais for about a year as in the uk Nottingham is one of the most places hit on a daily basis.
I have also become sick from this with mass headaches stomach cramps,vomiting and a zombie like state if i have been outside for long periods of time, i have loads of info at my site http://www.myspace.com/toleranceuk.
This needs o stop NOW!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:35 am
to be honest im starting to wonder if its something to do with aliens, its equally as strange that people dont see it and think your crazy when you ask them to look up, and insist its clouds, or that its normal, i don’t remmber growing up and seeing this stuff, its only been about 5 years for me, its freaky, like in matrix, highlander, and a few other movies, reality and fantasy are becoming inter-change-able, there is a mass mind manipulation taking place and that is really scarie.
tooth Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I remember growing up and spending most of my summers sun bathing on the lawn. I’d lay there for hours looking up at the sky. All I remember being up there is big, fluffy, white clouds and I’d sit there trying to figure out what they looked like…dog, bunny, man. I definitely do not remember thinking oh look at that big checkerboard in the sky. I also don’t remember having to go in the house because the airplanes ruined my sunny day by making the sky overcast. I sun bathed all through junior high and most of high school. I graduated high school in ‘96.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Obey the government. Do what is right and the blessings of Abraham will be with you. He was a stranger and a sojerner in the land of promise. God is our only comfort in life and death. To be with Him where there will be no more sickness, sorrow or death. Our hope and anchore are not in this world. To live is Christ to die is gain and to be present with the Lord.
darius Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Great, thanks for that. I feel much better now, no really.
templi beholderberger Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Yes thank you, for all your hard work we are grateful. Peace and the love of our lord be With you…. blessings.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Is Nomamma so stupid he does not know it’s already being done on a massive scale
or is this yet another Nomamma deception to cover up the existing illegal chemical dusting of Americans programs?
April 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
What if chemtrails are part of a secret experiment to Zombify the world? Starting with forced prison schooling to dumb down, then with Ritalin etc. Ad the floride and compulsory vaccinations , no not enough.Three’s company prime time follow ups 24/7. Then lets hit ‘em with the aerial zombie potion. To which all true inheritors of fancy watches have been innoculated.
Then the only option for the non zombie survivors is ringing the winchester cathedral bell. But wait, hope is not lost, a long forgotten party is observing closely. Death by Zombification, boredom, lies and loneliness is not the only answer.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
…i have called the FAA & the CDC twice to no avail other than more anger & frustration. they really act dumb & say they have no idea what you’re referring to.
i first experienced CHEMTRAILS while on a visit to santa fe, nm. beautiful clear sunny sky…& then…overcast. my son told me about this & i’ve been researching & taking pics.
i’ve asked my dr. to give me a test to check my barium levels. not happening as you really have to awtch what you say & to whom. she looked at me like i was alien. i’ve never had a blood pressure issue in my life. the past year it has soared & know it’s “let’s take our bp medicine. i already have a compromised immune system as i had a brain tumor removed in 2001 & was left with adrenal insufficiency. i’ve had un-explained chest pains that sent me to the hospital thinking i was having a heart attack. & i wasn’t. i get them frequently now & heaven forbid if it becomes a heart attack i probably won’t even know it as i’ve acclimated to the pain. i’m coughing every day & more so on spraying days. spring is here…i want to be outside & i’m indoors most of the time & feeling tired.
so now that i have vented…please tell your fam, your friends & mr. joe on the street. tell them to look up. my friend does amazing photography and he thinks he’s taking pics of a preet wild looking sky. i’ve told him & most won’t listen, won’t hear you & bury their head in the sand. for some they just can’t believe OUR government would do such things to the people. & they are doing so much more damage than most know & really don’t care to know. nuff said…thanx
Sushi123 Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Our only consolation for now is to remember, you are not alone…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKf_YJEbqiE
April 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
This is one of the many ways that they are controling the population or shall I say “population control.” I think with chemtrails they are making sure the medical field is kept supplied with sick people because they must have somewhere for the orvercrowded field of MD’s to work. The question is: Why is it that we have so called new advances and break throughs and more doctors than ever before in the history of the world, but we have more sick people and more desieses than ever before. If we have greater medicines and greater doctoer than we should have less not more sick people. We are victims of Greed by doctors and mostly drug companies and the FDA is in bed with these drug companies and has become blind to dollar signs, – as the rest of the world systems like the government of nations and the legal systems of governments. I would like to thank the International Bankers and the top so called secret societies like the Illumanti, the bilder burgers, and those who follow orders without using common sense.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I am a huge Alex Jones fan but I ask you guys to really take a step back about this issue. I too got interested in this at first, but in looking into it I have realized that this is a lot of nothing.
While I would not trust authorities explanations on face value, NASA’s thorough explanation of this phenomenon actually makes way more logical sense than any of the ‘chemtrail’ theories.
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/faq.html
Put simply, it is this: when the humidity in the atmosphere is saturated to the point that the air cannot hold any more water, the water vapor produced from the jet engines forms clouds because it cannot be absorbed. These ‘man made clouds’ can persist for hours as long as the humidity in the air, at that elevation, remains fully saturated. If you think about it, this is actually the same reason that clouds are formed in the first place…so there is really little surprise that a plane injecting water vapor into humid air can produce persistent clouds.
Now, this explanation is completely logical and completely testable. So I ask you, before someone goes around advancing an extremely complicated and illogical conspiracy theory that involved the cooperation of all governments and air traffic controllers around the world (because this phenomenon can be seen in any country) to be poisoning themselves at the same time as they kept this secret….please ask yourself this:
Has anybody bothered to test NASA’s explanation? And if so, has anyone come up with any evidence to show that water vapor injected into an atmosphere at 99% humidity will not form clouds?
As Carl Sagan would likely say, before you invent an extraordinary explanation, you must first test that an ordinary one doesn’t already apply.
And one more note: I have seen the infamous Clifford video, Aerosole Crimes I believe, and let me please dispell the notion that these trails have only recently started to occur. What has recently started to occur is only that people have started posting theories about them on the internet…back before the internet was here the trails were still there only no one noticed them as anything unusual. That is why people can’t remember seeing them 20 years ago. I actually remember seeing them all my life.
Like I said, I am a huge Jones fan, 911 was an inside job, The Fed is unconstitutional and controls America, global warming is a hoax, Al Quaeda and Bin Laden are CIA produced propaganda, 7/7 was another false-flag event, etc… But please, don’t confabulate these other truly important issues with the misunderstanding of contrails.
Paul/Jones 2012!
peace,
John
asdf Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Contrails do not form above -41C. Period.
Red Elk Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I suggest you open your eyes a wee bit more there laddie. Contrails don’t produce the black line effect (black line along side the chemtrail). Planes don’t fly practically wing tip to wing tip defying FAA regulations while dispersing contrails. Flight paths and contrails don’t produce grid patterns and giant X’S IN THE SKY. come on, start using some common sense.
John Rock Reply:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
While I admit I am not familiar with the black line effect you mention, I do know that I have witnessed, and photographed dozens of contrails without noticing any black line effect…but that is neither here nor there..
1.Planes flying in close formation is not related in any way to evidence regarding whether the clouds they are forming is water vapor or not. Do you see how they are two different things? It only confuses the issue to try to mix them together.
2.Flight paths absolutely DO produce giant X’s in the sky. Air traffic controllers route planes on the same flight paths all the time. It is not surprising in the least that criss cross patterns are produced. Do you really think that air traffic should never cross paths? This probably is occurring thousands of times a day…but you never notice it unless their are persistent contrails lingering that hold the memory of a previous flight.
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Norman Reply:
April 11th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
John Rock,
I went to the NASA link you provided. It is not very detailed in explanation. Reads like what you would write for 4th graders.
Some things for you to consider about the “chemtrail” idea. The NASA page said persistent contrails are what people confuse a chemtrails. The formation is attributed to high moisture content in the upper troposhpere or lower stratosphere.
Question, how did such high moisture content get there? From my studies in meterology, cirrus clouds form when a mass of cold air pushes under a mass of warm moist air forcing it up to form ice crystals. Moisture does not remain in this layer or you would have constant cirrus clouds. The ice crystals drop down which gives the cirrus clouds their wispy look, those are ice crystals falling down.
Also, if it was moist enough (regardless of how the moisture got there), you would not just have a persistent contrail, you should have cirrus clouds in the sky. I see chemtrails (as you want to believe, persisten contrails) form on perfectly clear days with no advancing storm front around. This should not occur. The only time I can see a natural pesistent contrail as explained on the NASA web site you provided is in the moisture pushed up by an advancing storm front in the area just prior to cirrus cloud formation. Also, if the air is truly moist, why are not natural cirrus clouds forming. If you want to believe it is natural and not spray, explain why cirrus clouds do not form spontaneously on a regular basis? My argument is that it is very dry in the upper cold atmosphere and moisture does not stay up there.
Cullen MacLean Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Whoa. Just catching up on the REAL news here, on one of my my days off, and feel compelled (no…OBLIGATED!) to add my 2 cents to whomever might come across this thread.
bullshit radar is 100% correct… and then some.
JOHN ROCK is obviously a professional disinfo agent. Smooth, convincing, driven, seemingly “intelligent”.
The Chemtrail issue is fully researched, documented, and scientifically proven to be a program that is intentionally lethal to all of mankind. There is absolutely NO sane or pro-survival reason for what is happening right over our heads. Period.
Do your own research on the internet. In a very short period of time you will be able to discern that JOHN ROCK has an agenda which is designed to disinform readers of this article, and other articles like it. JOHN ROCK does not want you to know the TRUTH about chemtrails.
Our very atmosphere–and all of the life forms who depend on it for survival—is being tampered with…. and it is NOT for “your own good”. That is BULLSHIT!! Do some research on what is happening to the birds and the BEES (not a joke..), and the lame explanations that are being put forth on WHY—when it is obvious that the WHY is because of what is happening to our AIR. If the Bees are gone, then we will be FORCED to depend on genetically engineered food to survive, because natural pollination will not be occurring anymore… think about that one for a minute or two. The potential implications and resulting chain reactions of having our skies tampered with is profoundly frightening. It’s something you can’t get away from. Unless, you know how to escape to another planet… ?
This planet, and lifeforms on it (including us humans..) have gotten along just fine with the natural order of things. We do NOT need pompous, self-important, psychopathic demigod wannabes F***ING with our atmosphere and intentionally de-populating the planet, so that they can further line their already over-stuffed pockets.
This is not something to be REASONABLE about, folks. This is the BIG issue. Study up. Research. This is the ultimate in the slow and gradual smothering of life as we know it on this planet.
Make it a point to LOOK UP every day, at your own skies. If you still deny your own observations and basic knowingness, then shame-shame-SHAME on you.
JOHN ROCK and all others who would suppress the information about chemtrails, and work at keeping the populace dumbed-down about it, are going to experience their own special kind of Hell when Ms. Karma catches up with them.
Smokr Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
John, it’s bull. Good science slightly skewed to fit the data instead of good data leading to the conclusion.
Even more impressive should be your own experience.
I’ll use the experiences of myself and my friends growing up in the middle of nowhere Indiana in the seventies and eighties as I have no idea of your own experiences.
What do you do in the hills of southern Indiana in the summer before computers and video games?
Kites, hunting, swimming and hiking.
I say kites first because they are the most direct link to the topic, but all the other outside activities lent themselves well to observing the sky. I spent more hours outside and under the sky all year around than most spent away from the television.
Hours were spent modifying and trying kite designs for years among us. We spent days and days trying small mods for better control or height.
We watched clouds and planes the entire time.
We never, not once, ever, remember any plane trails hanging around. We even made bets on how long a close trail would last and the loser had to spool string.
Our guesses ran from ten minutes on hot, humid, windy days to two hours or even three hours on cold, dry, still days.
If they lasted any longer it was a rarity and was noticed, but they never, not once, ever, lasted all day, and they most certainly NEVER grew wider and thicker, or got worse.
They thinned, blurred, twisted, eventually became a mere ragged wisp in a couple of hours.
Today you see trails that last all day all over the sky, thickening, fattening, coming together.
That never happened in all my years growing up.
What part of the physical sciences changed to allow this new behavior if they are the same old condensation trails?
soar1u Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
You are very correct in stating the obvious.
The newer Ultra High Bypass turbo jet engines
UBE’s are the culprit in the crime of Contrails verses the ? Chem-trails ?
Not a spraying program that could eventually be uncovered.
Look up the UBE’s
Good job Rock !
April 11th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I would like to know if this planes shooting Chemtrails our drones with no pilot. Chemtrails our real and they suck!
April 11th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Germany becomes one of the first countries to admit Chemtrails Ops
April 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Apr 5, 2009 … A dusting of mercury is falling into lakes and rivers all across the country — the … Mark Jaffe: 303-954-1912 or mjaffe@denverpost.com …
Apr 9, 2009
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_12074611
Could this spraying be what is causing the problems with the EPA issuing alerts in all the states of finding mercury and some seliniumand other minerals at Rocky Mtn Natl park, other parks, and 20% of the lakes and rivers in Colorado and all the states and will this endanger our natural food supplies not only the wild game and fish in the rivers, but the ground we grow food in? Someone needs to find out what these planes are “dusting out” and why.
April 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
To the complicit, timid little ridicule agents,
How does an engine operate with that much water in the fuel?
I have photographic evidence of near mid-air collisions, (myspace under the same name) where the planes could only be separated by mere feet. One picture of which I have turned into a bumper sticker and have soon found that the state police have taken an interest in following me around. It can’t be a crime to make a bumper sticker of something that goes on in plain sight every day, right? Why so much brave military hero activity just before the real cloud formations move in? That’s the time the most spraying occurs. The rain is the real delivery mechanism isn’t it? I have pictures of planes taking wild loops, and night spraying which eliminates the sun screen theory. Pictures of no spray coming from one plane while others of the same kind at the same altitude and same time are going hog-wild pissing their self-righteousness in the wind. You are saying that we should blindly trust the same air force that willingly stood down on 9/11. The only authorities you speak of are of those of no restraint, which is the fundamental characteristic sign of weakness. Insecure little men that can only gain their status through the truly worthless enterprise of money. A lawless environment doesn’t suit this type.
April 11th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Humidity is a relative measure to how much moisture is in the soil. It only gets drier as you go up.
April 11th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
And if you read Carl Sagan’s Cosmos you will learn of the pyramids on Mars.
“We want to make clear, that the existence of giant people (in ancient times).. must be regarded as a scientifically certain fact.” Dr Louis Burkhalter, 1950
April 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Believe me I am no shill. And while I am also no meteorologist, my main point is this:
The science of atmospheric humidity and cirrus cloud formation is no mystery. It is an established and demonstrable science. If NASA’s explanation is contrary to this science then all that is neccessary is for a trained atmospheric scientist to provide a point of contention that he or she asserts dispproves NASA’s explanation. There should be no subjectivity here because any scientific evidence can be demonstrated and tested. If such a point of contention proved to stand up, then there might be a point to all of this. But I don’t think anyone has bothered to test this.
What is not useful is personal opinion about what different people ‘feel’ is normal or ‘think’ is possible when it comes to atmospheric properties. The bottom line is that the reason we know the towers fell from explosives is because we know the laws of physics prove that such a total collapse was not possible in 10 seconds from gravity alone. This is important because the laws of physics demonstrate this to be true. What laws of physics are being violated by NASA’s explanation? If someone knows of any then lets hear them! If you can’t come up with anything other than ‘gut feeling’ and hearsay, then why is it not possible that NASA’s explanation is in fact precisely in line with the laws of physics and therefore perfectly ordinary?
Norman Reply:
April 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
John Rock,
I did ask you some questions about your NASA post. The primary one was how does the moisture get into the upper atmosphere. It is a very dry and cold place up above.
As you say, science can be tested and verified. You can use your own measuring equipment…your eyes and common sense to verify this. After a storm front passes the air above clears, the upper Troposphere, lower stratosphere is dry. Moisture cannot remain in this region unless it is put into there by uplift.
On a clear day with no advancing storm front, how does the moisture get into this region without uplift? Why don’t natural cirrus clouds spontaneously form as well if there is sufficient moisture to create a persistent contrail? The only time I would expect to see a NASA explained persistent contrail would be while flying into an advancing storm front that is driving moisture into this dry cold air and forming ice crystals rapidly.
It is not so easy to prove as a person without the money or means to send a balloon into the upper troposphere where the jets fly. How can I measure the humidity level of this air without the equipment?
I do not know why so many label questioning people as shrills or trolls. Not all posters who disagree with an article are Government Agents. Most people I know would not consider any of the theories on Alex Jones as valid and they are not Agents. They are just the normal Mass Media fed citizens. It is okay to question NASA or any scientific establishment. Questioning is a good and positive thing if you want to stay free and intelligent.
John Rock Reply:
April 11th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Norman, I appreciate your openness to different ideas, and I agree with all of your sentiments regarding the need for real debate without demonization.
I cannot answer the questions you pose as I do not possess that knowledge. I would say however, that your questions are quite loaded with assumptions about how dry the Troposhpere or Stratosphere is at any given moment. I do not agree that visual reconnaissance can be an accurate measure of the barometric pressure and dewpoint at some imagined altitude when looking up from the ground. It is also quite impossible to measure how high a plane is flying by simply looking up at it. It is laughable how some people report planes flying at the same altitude and having different emissions. You cannot judge altitude from 10,20 or 30 thousand feet away.
I am no meterologist, but just because a day looks clear does not, to me, proove that there is no humidity at higher altitudes. Why do cirrus clouds not spontaneously form you say? Well, sometimes they do right? Cetainly you have seen them before…so therefore they do form on their own sometimes. Perhaps other times the atmosphere is not quite ready to produce them, so they do not appear, but with the man made help of water vapor…voila! They are eeked out of the air …
I do not know at what altitudes these things are or are not possible, but like I said, until one knew these principles…like at EXACTLY what altitude a contrail was observed and whether or not it is possible to form clouds at that altitude…one cannot claim that it is not possible.
I will add that on one unusually warm day in NYC in January about 2 years ago..it was about 70 degrees…I witnessed a completely clear sky at 9AM that began to get littered with contrails all morning until by noon the entire city was blanketed under a huge hazy cloud. I went up to the top of the empire state building and photographed the blitz of trails. At that time I was suspicious of them. Looking back I think it is much more clear that an unusually hot day in january was very likely produced by some jet stream of hot moist air passing through that make it all the more expected that there should be so many persistent contrails that day.
My question to you is this: What is it that makes a cloud form naturally? Is it not possible that water vapor from a jet engine could produce the same effect?
John
Norman Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 12:10 am
John Rock,
It is true that water vapor from a jet engine will produce a cloud effect at low enough temperature, the contrail. I was questioning the persistent contrail concept.
But thanks to your questioning of by belief I am going back to do more research on the subject. When I took meterology the process I was educated on was that warm moist air was pushed up by cold air and cirrus clouds were the indication of an approaching storm front. I used this knowledge to predict upcoming storms for years.
However, again Thanks to You, I found some articles on moisture in the Upper Troposphere. A condition that has changed since I studied cloud formation is warmer oceans (not necessarily caused by man’s release of CO2. An individual named Cold, posting on another article, sent a link that undersea volcanoes were melting the Arctic Ice and warming the oceans). Warmer oceans are sending more moisture into the air and the article I was reviewing indicated that more moisture could be present in the Upper Troposphere. There are signs of spontaneous cirrus cloud formation.
Another thing to consider would be persistent contrails that occur in desert areas like Arizona or New Mexico. I cannot, at this time, see how humidity could get into the Upper Troposphere on a regular basis when the air below is so dry. I don’t have a mechanism to explain this. But I see photos of Chemtrails in those areas and it seems a frequent event. If Chemtrails were confined to the coasts or around the Great lakes, I might consider the persistent contrail argument. The increased moisture in the air may make an unstable condition that a slight increase in moisture from the jet engine could set off cloud forming chain reaction.
Anyway, keep an open mind on the possibility of actual chemtrails being real and for even a sinister reason. If they are just a weird form of chemtrail, no harm is done in investigating the chemtrail theory, you can’t get to the Truth without examining all possible explanations.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:33 am
I have never understood this. So the elite are poisoning everyone with this…including themselves?
qwertology Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I ask the same question. Knowing little (or nothing) about the issue of chemtrails, I propose the theory that they, the elite, have some kind of vaccine/medication/immunity to combat the effects? I don’t believe organic food consumption (as suggested earlier) would do much to help as a lot of organic food is produced outside, ie exposed to the elements and the fallout from the chemtrails.
Oh, and Spanish skies are much like in the rest of the “civilised” world – chemtrailed!
Red Elk Reply:
April 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
the Elite take care of themselves. you can bet your life on that. Never underestimate the precautions and studies of every angle they undertake in their operations.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:32 am
oh yeah, and it aint just the chemtrails, this crap comes with TONS of ELF, specially round the full moon times, I am so blessed, I can hear em , yep, it’s a low pitched rumble., and they like to ramp it up round 2:00 am, ( according to chinese medecine when the liver does its regenerating ) I’m noticing when the ELFs are really bad there is some kind of crazy ass event out there, shootings and stuff.
Some folks call this very low frequency rumbling noise “the Taos hum,” naw, thats way too friendly a name for it. And it’s everywhere, but turned off and on.
Heck, they have to get their moneys worth out of those plasma skies, I’m telling you, the microwave side of it is a whole extra meatball. Electrifrying!
April 12th, 2009 at 5:53 am
I will also participate in sending in film material for Alex`s new film on chemtrail from Switzerland and Germany. I have already published quite some infos on chemtrails in German, also the breaking article of Paul Joseph Watson for those who are interested in the German version! Keep up the good fight!
April 12th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
I’ve noticed that difference between contrails and chemtrails is that chemtrails cause clouds that tend to be a sort of dingy yellowish-gray and spread like a cancer across the whole sky. Ugly as can be to look at. Contrails tend to be fluffy white and disappear pretty quickly.
April 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Somewhere in Alex Jones’ email archive is my email from around 2004 saying that chemtrails are a secret attempt at finding a way to lower the amount of solar energy hitting the surface in the hopes of slowing or even reversing global warming.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Yesssss! this is happening. It appears that, at last, Alex is fully on-board. Exxxcellent – it is beyond frustrating when I point out chemtrails to others and they do not understand that these things are NOT regular con-trails – most people will not acknowledge stark reality until they can see a consensus or see some perceived authority gives them permission to say that something strange is going on.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
The chemtrails here in Santa Barbara CA are pretty bad also. Been observing for about 7 months now myself but other residents report it’s been going on for several years.
April 18th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Billions spent on above top secret research since the 70s but no new B2 Stealth Bomber type technology unveiled? What the hell is being created with all that black op money and what kind of person is running those shows?
I have never seen an Alien nor UFO, but the chemtrails are starting to get beyond ridiculous. I personally believe this is weather modification with a bunch of extra advanced nano-microbic goodies thrown in for fun.
When the advanced nano-microbic materials finish “loading” inside your body, if you have the energy, you will want to spend some time researching how to get your health back. The answers are out there, but you have to look, and I hope you have some money. You will have to dodge the dis-information cowards at every corner. By the time you get to the answers there are ways to push this stuff out of your body. The people that are behind the spraying don’t want you to know.
I hope those responsible for all this get hung for their crimes against humanity. Especially those that are trained in dis-information. They are like little Nazi terrorists too cowardly to stand up out in the light for their crimes. They hide behind super secret government jobs paid to destroy our civilization in the most cowardly and despicable ways.