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Congressman Ron Paul Defends Concept Of Secession
Defines principle as an American tradition
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Texas Congressman Ron Paul appeared on CNN’s Morning America today to defend the right of secession as an American tradition amid a growing media misrepresentation of the concept as unpatriotic.
“I think the biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed toward an individual who even thinks along these lines,” The Congressman commented.
“I heard people say this was treasonous and this was un-American, but don’t they remember how we came into being? We used secession, we seceded from England.” Paul said.
The Congressman explained that just because people are talking about the principle of secession, that doesn’t mean that they are calling for it.
“It’s a very good principle, it’s a principle of a free society and it’s a shame we don’t have it anymore.” Paul said
“I argue that if we had the principle of secession our Federal government wouldn’t be as intrusive into State affairs, and to me that would be very good.”
The subject hit headlines last week when Texas Governor Rick Perry raised the prospect of Texas seceding from the union.
Critics have charged that Perry is exploiting the burgeoning States rights’ movement for his own political ends.
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Turning to the economy, the Congressman was also asked whether select banks turning over record profits was an indication of the success of the bailout policy, to which he replied:
“If a gangster steals money and he’s successful you don’t celebrate! This is just going to make the people angrier.”
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April 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
Go Ron Paul!
April 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am
Texas provides alot of revenue to the feds and we have a right NOT to remit to them. Texas is the size of France and I am sure most Southern States are tired of being exploited, ignored and not representated. 90% America wants things and the Elite just ignores our needs. We have wind; We have oil; We have migrant labor; We have ports, We have rail; We have farms and ranches; We have a individual sense that goes against the grain of collectivists. We were once a Republic, we still think like one. Perry is a buffoon that is exploiting for his own political needs. Remember when we cried out against the Govt Land grab and the Texas Trans Corridor?? 90% siad no–but Perry ignored us and gave the construction to Spain, ownership of Texas lands to Spain. Down with those who give our lands away, who listen not to those who voted them in. Texas Common Sense is obvious. To Secede—–it might happen, but I doubt it–the feds would kill us all before letting us go.
CrazyforCanada Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
Good for you to remember! Someone commented on YouTube that Texas would easily survive as an independent, because it has all the number one or number two top Big Business in the USA. But, Big Business is exactly the problem; Wall Street has taken over the government, the USA government is now fascist. And, as you point out, the secession call by Perry is for his own political needs; and likewise Ron Paul backing him up. They are raising the secession cry to pump adrenalin, because when the adrenalin is running, people don’t think clearly, if at all. Perry and the faction in power in Washington need to break the country up to re-federate it under communist regionalism, something long planned. The States will disappear from the map. That ultimate re-federation is the real North American Union. And it has been planned since before 1917, and mapped as early as 1941 by a sympathiser of the Communist Party of America, Maurice Gomberg: see it here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1384.....ce-Gomberg
And with annotations, it’s here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1384.....-No-Canada
Meanwhile, I have done some research and discovered that the States have an option. Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the States a Republican form of Government. What you have right now is a fascist police-state form of government. The difference should be easy to establish. There’s a page at Cornell with the Annotated U.S. Constitution:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ann.....#fnb331ref
Article 4, Section 4 reads like this:
Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
– In regard to the current situation in America, the most important annotations are these:
331 More recently, the Court speaking through Justice OConnor has raised without deciding the possibility that the guarantee clause is justiciable and is a constraint upon Congress power to regulate the activities of the States. New York v. United States, 112 S.Ct. 2408, 24322433 (1992); Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 463 (1991). The opinions draw support from a powerful argument for utilizing the guarantee clause as a judicially enforceable limit on federal power. Merritt, The Guarantee Clause and State Autonomy: Federalism for a Third Century, 88 Colum. L. Rev. 1 (1988).
– A leading Canadian Constitutional scholar from our good old days when we had real ones, was law professor Frank R. Scott, later Dean of Law at McGill [and noteworthy for his landmark win in the case of Roncarelli v. Duplessis, [1959] S.C.R. 121, (http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/.....0-121.html) which established in Canada the second defining principle of the Rule of Law espoused by A. V. Dicey: “Every man subject to ordinary law administered by ordinary tribunals.
We mean in the second place, when we speak of the “rule of law” as a characteristic of our country, not only that with us no man is above the law, but (what is a different thing) that here every man, whatever be his rank or condition, is subject to the ordinary law of the realm and amenable to the jurisdiction of the ordinary tribunals.”]
– I would then presume that the American people view their elected officials as above the law, because rather than hold them liable UNDER the law for the excesses of power, and prosecute them for obvious treason in converting America from a free Republic to a fascist police state, the Americans would rather take to their guns and risk being mowed down by their own ordnance, while insisting upon tearing their own country to pieces in the name of the 10th Amendment, which I suggest to you is not the right strategic move, because it plays into the hands of the one-world government which NEEDS to destroy America in order to seize it and re-model it for its own purposes.
The fact that Perry and Paul are playing good-cop, bad-cop, one raising the secession cry, the other poo-poohing it while smiling and praising it, puts the notion OUT there; it glorifies it; it gets it into the peoples’ minds; all you need after planting that seed in their minds is to trigger them, by more bailouts, more fake terror, and when they start to run, when they start to demand secession as a knee-jerk reaction, then those detaining the Government come in with troops, assault weapons, martial law, FEMA camps and cattle cars. They need you to run. They need to break up the Union, to utterly crush and destroy America; and nothing would please them more than to have the American people do it themselves!
– In his article entitled ADMINISTRATIVE LAW: 1923-1947, McGill Law Faculty, Vol. XXVI The Canadian Bar Review, F.R. Scott observed that in the Constitutional law of Canada we have a:
“doctrine of delegation. Every sovereign parliament may delegate its powers to subordinate authorities. This is true of the Dominion [CANADIAN FEDERAL] Parliament; whose most famous and extreme example, is the War Measures Act, and of the provincial legislatures. Without such a power modern government could not be carried on. But limitations appear to exist (a) in that no legislature could abolish itself, substituting some totally different kind of body in perpetuo, and
(b) in that neither the Dominion Parliament nor provincial legislatures can delegate powers to one another. Proposition (a) is hypothetical and need not detain us, though it might be a useful principle with which to oppose — should the occasion arise-the setting-up of some dictatorial, unparliamentary government, perhaps serving for Canada something of the purpose of Article IV, Section 4. of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to every state of the Union a republican form of government.
– The American President’s office has set up a fascist, dictatorial and expanding, unRepublican-like “apparent” government tantamount to a POLICE STATE complete with FEMA camps and house-to-house gun confiscation. What does it take to make it apparent to you that the people running your country have voided their oaths of allegiance, if they were ever under them in the first place.
– Wake up to this, because you’re being screwed by Ron Paul and the gang, they’re pied pipers. Instead of IMPEACHING Bush, and IMPEACHING Obama for setting up a POLICE STATE, they have deliberately and ineffectually POLITICALLY campaigned “for liberty” thus diverting the people and distracting their attention from the TREASON to buy time for the TREASON to complete its work.
– If America wants to go the Constitutional route before pursuing impeachment, then America needs Article 4, Section 4, to secure the REPUBLIC and REIN IN THE FEDERAL POWER, if indeed it is FEDERAL power and not an EXECUTIVE BRANCH COUP on the Constitution, the States and the people.
– If it is a COUP, then IMPEACH them! And do it FAST! How many millions more preparatory graves are you going to let them dig before you WAKE UP! Why is nobody impeaching these people? Who’s doing this, who’s expertly misleading and distracting the American people to prevent them throwing these bastards out?
Wake UP!!!!!!
April 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
The individual States were Always considered to be on an equal level and actually Higher then a Central Goverment. Therefore the RIGHT to cede from the Union was inherently understood. ‘We The People’ have the Right to demand our Freedoms in the Bill of Rights are observed if those in Congress do not want to uphold their oath to abide by the Constitution.
April 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Fuck the Feds.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I always thought that saying ‘The south will rise again’ was a cliche…guess I was wrong.
GO RON PAUL!!
April 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Wasn’t the US Civil War fought on this issue (among others)? The right of the individual state to its own self-determination?
Sui juris Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 am
You are correct. And if the south would have won, it would not even be called the Civil War.
It would be known as the 2nd American Revolution…
April 21st, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Montana will be first…
xfreethinkx@yahoo.com Reply:
April 21st, 2009 at 9:15 pm
North Idaho will be right behind you boss. A confederation of Northwest states is not entirely unlikely if the shit ever goes down. We would be just fine without D.C., Europe, Israel…as well as the entirety of the entangling alliances that our representatives so firmly embrace. Our founders warned of these alliances, and here we are over 200 years after we free ourselves from European dictators, we climb back in bed with them….raped again. We break these ties now…if its not too late…or UN troops could be marching the streets of your hometown. Think about it…they admit it with pride. They want ONE WORLD ORDER, and currently posess most of the tools to suceed. One rulebook for all….political dictatorship with cultural indifference. Hell on Earth.
April 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pm
this quote will stand the test of time:
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. the issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, TO WHOM IT PROPERLY BELONGS.”
Thomas Jefferson Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
April 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Isn’t Ron Paul a Mason?
notagain Reply:
April 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm
that is what i heard.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pm
It’s on the horizon my friend
April 21st, 2009 at 5:01 pm
There is no liberty anymore! and there taking away our very right to be indiviuals with fear tactics to believe were surrendering our rights for our own good! The sad thing is, there not even teaching the truth in schools. Are children are becocoming borg! and dont even know it!
April 21st, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Illuminati in Kentucky:
My fevered imagination includes the probability that Andrew Jackson and stories of the Bell Witch are connected with this kind of knowledge.
“In his 1806 book Travels In America, Thomas Ashe writes of his experiences with a vast cavern originally discovered in 1783 beneath the city of Lexington, 300 feet long, 100 feet wide and 19 feet high, containing exotic artifacts, a stone altar for sacrifices, human skulls and bones piled high, and mummified remains. The mummies are very strange looking and have red hair. The local native Americans claimed that these were the remnants of an ancient civilization that died out long ago. Respected historian George W. Ranck also discusses this “lost city” buried beneath Lexington in 1872. It is said that local Native Americans identified the bodies as being from the ancient race who inhabited the area long before them.
In 1792 an early settler, General John Payne, made a strange discovery while building his house in the tiny town of Augusta, KY, 63 miles North of Lexington. From Historical Sketches of Kentucky by Lewis Collins, Maysville, Ky. 1847, page 205:
‘The bottom on which Augusta is situated is a large burying ground of the ancients…They have been found in great numbers, and of all sizes, everywhere between the mouths of Bracken and Locust Creeks, a distance of about a mile and a half. From the cellar under my (Payne’s) dwelling, 60 by 70 feet, over a hundred and ten skeletons were taken. I measured them by skulls, and there might have been more, whose skulls had crumbled into dust…The skeletons were of all sizes, from seven feet to infant.
Source: http://tiny.cc/Puq7I
David Kilgour (who was a tall and very large man) passed our village at the time I was excavating my cellar, and we took him down and applied a thigh bone to his. The man, if well-proportioned, must have been 10 to 12 inches taller than Kilgour, and the lower jaw bone would slip on over his, skin and all. Who were they? How came their bones here?’
‘When I was in the army, I inquired of old Crane, a Wyandot and of Anglerson, a Delaware, both intelligent old chiefs, and they could give me no information in reference to these remains of antiquity. Some of the largest trees of the forest were growing over the remains when the land was cleared in 1792.’
A few years later, on December 21, 1806, the town of Augusta, KY was visited by Harman Blennerhassett, lawyer, occultist, and member of the Illuminati. Was he aware of the ancient underground civilization in the region?
Blennerhassett was born on October 8, 1764 in Ireland {The Black and Red Lodge of Masonry and Keogh’s grandfather in my researches on this probable great great-grandfather of mine is connected I suspect.}and moved to the USA after graduating. He and his wife (who was also his niece which is in-line with the Merovingian genetic programming so long as there are adequate foreign genes put into the mix which the Hapsburgs forgot for a few centuries) lived on Blennerhassett island on the Ohio River. Blennerhassett was a friend and colleague of Adam Weishaupt {Son of a Rabbi}, and a member of his Order of the Illuminati, reaching the level of Illuminatus Magus. He was also a friend of Vice President Aaron Burr, with whom he engaged in a conspiracy to remove President Thomas Jefferson from power. The plot was discovered and Blennerhassett’s secret camp at Marietta was destroyed on December 19, 1806.
Blennerhassett fled with about 50 of his fellow initiates, leaving his wife, his sons and the rest of his guerrilla troops behind. But instead of making a direct exit, Blennerhassett risked making a mysterious side trip to Augusta, KY, arriving on the day of the solstice. Clearly, there was some occult significance to his visit to Augusta. But what? That Blennerhassett was interested in the forgotten ancient civilization is a distinct possibility.” (7)
Source: http://tiny.cc/Puq7I
April 21st, 2009 at 6:00 pm
PLEASE READ BELOW
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Thousands of confidential files on the U.S. military’s most technologically advanced fighter aircraft have been compromised by unknown computer hackers over the past two years, according to senior defense officials.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/.....index.html
They are totally going to shut down the net, look at this fearmongering.
This is total BS, you would have me believe that the US intelligence would be dumb enough to have their millitary infrastructure tied into the internet, where a 6 year old could hack in with a laptop in a wireless hotspot, Gimme a break.
This kinda bullshit just shows how they are angling at something with the web.
And even if they are really tied into the net, any idiot who has taken a basic computer course could tell you that is a bad idea. That was the first thing I learned about computers, all computer transaction are NOT secure. Any level of incryption can be broken.
Airborne Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Yes , there computers with sensitive data , are not in anyway link to Internet and they probably use external hard drives , that are put in a secured vault or safe when not in use ,who are these fools trying to fool ???????????? or unless they have a bunch of 10 year old kids in charge of there security !!!!!!!!!!!!
April 21st, 2009 at 6:19 pm
We are leaving a dreadful task to our children and grandchildren, many of whom will lose their blood or life in the effort to retake liberty. Hopefully, once accomplished, they to will chant “never again”. Shame on my generation, my father’s generation and my grandfather’s generation for our ignorance of living in economic slavery and passing it over to our children to repair.
knowone Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 am
that is the story of the human race across the board. there have been slaves and masters from the begining, and frankly, i dont see it changing anytime soon. we are a young species though, we have plenty of time on this ball of dirt to figure out what it is we truly want and need.
never stop thinking, keep growing, we will overcome our plight!
hologram5 Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
It is sad to say but you are right and history DOES repeat itself. It has happened before and they chanted “Never Again!!”.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:36 pm
It is impossible to argue that the right of the people to secede does not exist.
Thirteen colonies of the British Crown seceded during the American Revolution, which was not abrogated or abridged by the Constitution. That right of the people is affirmed in the Declaration of Independence. Likewise, it is impossible to argue that the patriots of the American Revolution had NO right to form “a more perfect union” by breaking all bonds that tied them to England.
If you need a more recent affirmation of that right, it is enshrined in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights and the Helsinki Accords, both treaties of the United States. A treaty is the highest form of law in this country, except for the Constitution itself. The right of the people to seek their own happiness by “self-determination” is recognized not only in the United States but by many of the nations of the world.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
the BSI is the only “real Bank” in the world.
look it up!!!
on every side of every conflict since its conception… its how the wealthy, the REAL Wealthy, make their money…
choke on it, I did!
April 21st, 2009 at 7:24 pm
OBAMA A MUSLIM IS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE US AND FREEDOM LOVERS AROUND THE WORLD,CONNECT THE DOTS YOU WILL GET IT
World Illusions Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 am
How are muslims a threat? I thought we all learned that most muslims are oppressed and enslaved.. just how we will be shortly. Just because Obama is a muslim doesn’t make him dangerous.. it’s because he’s a puppet president with so much pull. Please do not misinterpret the teachings of Islam.
hologram5 Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Another misinforming troll…
April 21st, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Hey this is great! We already have two candidates for President of Texas – Chuck Norris and now Ron Paul. How about Georgia who can we have? Does anyone know someone that will fill the bill.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Don’t send us Rick Perry he’s NWO or Purdue he’s a neocon.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:44 pm
We have to be careful though. The Civil war was about succession only then it was those European bankers who got mad at Abe lincoln because he would not let them take over our banks. It was those banker and the King of England who were pissed off at us and tried to divide us then.. Now it is the Queen and the NWO bankers trying to divide us again. If it is not the North American Union it may be something else. So be very, very careful! We are stronger when we stick together. Divid and conquer is Satan’s old game.
notagain Reply:
April 21st, 2009 at 10:22 pm
the civil war was about more than secession. wars have had to be fought to free americans from tyranny. that we are facing that again should come as no surprise.
April 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Apparrently Alaska is working on it too. I heard it’s ALaska, Montana, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and Washington that are also talking about secession.
hologram5 Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I live in Washington and have been badgering our reps about this for about a year now. They have told me they talk long and hard about it. I hope this doesn’t come to bloodshed but the Fed Gov is not going to let us go quietly.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:13 pm
THANKYOU RON PAUL !!!!!
April 21st, 2009 at 9:34 pm
How can secession be good when you are not spliting from King George but your own blood? I don’t agree with this bull crap. Obama will then start acting like Lincoln and say to me my fellow Americans unity of this nation is important? Just like Lincoln said and did. We might even go to a civil war?
RON PAUL IS WRONG ON THIS ISSUE. HE IS ASKING FOR A TROUBLE.
notagain Reply:
April 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm
do you realize secession may be the only safe way to stop the big plan? there won’t be many safe, economically sound areas if the dollar completely drops out…think! why did the founding fathers write that in? it is not that it leads to war. it gives the federal govt. boundaries that they should already respect.
it is in the constitution for a reason!
hologram5 Reply:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Lincoln is one of the ones that started this mess by changing the saying from THESE United states to THE United States. That opened the can of worms. Go home troll.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I hope some of the states ceede the union for the time being, i think could be one of the only things this late in the game that could allow for the preservation of our freedoms. The federal government is on the verge of staging a millitary take over of the United States, and then all of our freedoms will be gone. I think the session of states would provide safe havens of freedom throughout the storm that is going to reek havok on the entire world. After the dust has settleled then a new unikon could be made.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:18 pm
blogging this topic told me that it is not one anyone wants to take on. it is truly a hot potato, and no matter what anyone says, secession seems to say war will follow. we need to get more info on exactly what that means, militia? i wonder if that is just implied, or people think that is what it means.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 am
The confederacy lost the war because of a lack of arms factories and a blockade by naval warships.They also had a smaller population.The Federals drafted newly arrived immigrants and sent them directly to war.Most Firearms factories and munitions plants were up north.A lot of Rebs used private guns like squirrel rifles.In the present day people in the liberal states generally shun guns and hunting so they would have to combat the conservative states where a huge number of people shoot.Things have changed.Could southern deer hunters stand up to inner city gangbangers? It remains to be seen.Of course i hope it never comes to rebellion but that is the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution.We are not even supposed to have a standing army,nevermind one with a presence in 100 odd countries.
Fox Spirit Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 am
“Could southern deer hunters stand up to inner city gangbangers?” – Answer – Yes, rifles have better range than pistols. More-over, there is a large supply of troops and arms just south of Texas that is actually quite fond of America. A better question to ask, “Can American gun owners stand up against military and civilian security forces?” As it seems to me, if you arn’t rich, you’re screwed, which makes us all united by default. All we really have as an advantage is numbers. What we need is firm organization.
In my opinion, I think that the best possible use of secession would be for all the states to remove themselves from the United States and reorganize as a new united states, leaving the federal government out to dry. With enough proof there-after, taxation without representation could be proven, leaving those bastards with the debts they created.
After that, destroy the idea of the lobbyist and the fed, followed by setting limitations on the amount of campaign money to be allowed to be used for elections. Then beyond that, set laws in place so that campaign promises broken are illegal, leaving hopefuls to be elected from spitting out their same ol rhetoric. besides these, a strict enforcement of monopoly laws.
Altogether, this would be the equivalent of pressing the reset button on the government, leaving us to start out where the founding fathers left off, evolving our system to fit our 21st century needs.
Of course, this is more than just our problem though, and I have to agree with the Bilderbergs on one subject, “We will have one world government one way or the other.” My question is, is will we make it the people’s one world government, or their one world government. We as a species, have much bigger problems than these things. Mathematically, the chances of life existing on other dirtballs in the galaxy (and multiverse for that matter) are more likely than not. We need to humble ourselves out of the belief that we are the biggest bad-asses in the galaxy because it is quite unlikely that we are. I may sound paranoid to some of you, but the fact that we live (in quantum physics) in an infinite universe with multiple dimensions stacked over each other, the layers above containing more possibilities as well as the same possibilities as the dimensions below leaves me a bit skeptical to believe that our universe is as small as NASA and others would have us believe. Given this reality, the chances of life besides ourselves is 100%, and more-over, considering that there are more dimensions above our third dimension than below, most intelligent life outside our own would be totally incomprehensible and multi-dimensional in nature.
Hell, considering the nature of the universe, there is the distinct possibility if multi-dimensional travel is ever accomplished, we may even run into other version(s) of ourselves, or they could even run into us. But anyways, the point of my ramblings is to always look at the bigger picture. After all, even after you’ve finished putting together a puzzle, you’re still only looking at a picture that is a mere part of the bigger scene around it.
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 am
Ron you are one true American hero unfortunately you and a handful of others only deserve respect
April 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 am
well well well the propaganda, well i should say lying machines are in full motion this morning abc, cbs .nbc. first they come on with a statement about irans leader mr a the unpredictable leader of iran we know who is unpredictable right along with him that would be the greedy criminal unpredictable jews Israel . and i like the way the the idiot lying news is what i will refer to them from now on , played down the torcher crimes when we all know bush, obama ,Clintons all them bastards in the white house and the pentagon and where ever they hide. are criminals paid off bought off lying scum of the earth. its ok we know you cant change your criminal ways .
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Don’t suceed, throw the bastard off our turff along with that dispicable emendment that makes the “states” mere cantons/counties,
USA INC. out of- any of the several, united States- Al to Ak to Wy and all points in between.
April 24th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Heck, seccession can be done peacefully we put our effort to it. How about Czechoslovakia? They broke off into the Czech Republic and Slovakia.