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Cops Stop And Search Vegas Couple For Having Ron Paul, Infowars Bumper Stickers
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, August 4, 2008
In the new America an endorsement of Congressman Ron Paul now gives the police probable cause to pull you over, ask you for identification and search your vehicle.
Much to their surprise Rick and Ingrid, friends from Las Vegas, discovered this recently when police pulled them over and cited a Ron Paul and an Infowars bumper sticker on the back of their car as having aroused suspicion.
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August 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
August 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I’ve got RON PAUL ALL OVER MY CAR-BRING IT ON! I’ll take you to court so fast and sue you personally. STOP KILLING AMERICA COPS! PLEASE!!!!
August 4th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
This is crazy. I wonder if you will get pulled over for having the old Ron Paul stickers for when he was running for office several years back. I see them sometimes. I didn’t think that the truth could get you stopped and searched when you are just trying to tell other people about the truth. This must be the New World Order (misinform the people and whoever tells the truth, harass them).
August 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Bravo, Jim, perfectly played!
August 4th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Hey, if y’all decide to revolt (doubt it but it’s possible, i guess), you’d better keep it out of my back yard, or it will go very bad for you.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
The should really get a lawyer and sue their ass(ets). Don’t they know it is totally illegal for the cops to go in your car without your consent? The could have planted some drugs in the car and arrest them for possession of illegal drugs.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
He better hope that they didn’t plant anything in the car. Never submit to any search of you vehicle for any reason.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
It’s a shame she couldn’t stick around a few moments longer and get a little dialogue going. You know, something like, “So which candidate’s sticker would have been preferable? The Green candidate? The American Socialist? The Nazi Party? The Communist Party? The Porn Star? The Satanist? How about the Cop Killer candidate?” “No response officer?” “Well, that’s ok. I appreciate the fact that you didn’t frame us, Ruby Ridge us, Waco us, 9/11 us or Pearl Harbor us. Have a blessed and safe day.”
August 4th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Who said anything about revolt? Police and others who act in defiance of the Constitution are the revolutionaries. We ask only that the same rights that have been gauranteed to us since the inception of this nation are once again upheld and defended, the way the great patriots George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others intended.
Remember, the whole idea for this nation was to create a place where individual rights were “inalienable”. If you disagree with that principle you have no more right to call yourself a patriot than a mouse has a right to call himself a lion.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
well now Neocons are starting to show the cowerdness they strive on.
Ron Paul is a simble for freedom,Peace in a more loving world and the Neo cons with their cops need intimidate people who beleive in Ron Paul
such a shame to see policeman behave in such a manner
August 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
NWO 1, patriots 0. Why were the actions (and thus outcome) of these [supposedly] knowledgeable patriots exactly the same as what we’d expect from avg mind-numbed citizens?? Why do most patriots remain ignorant of films like “Busted,” which could be watched on Google Video?? Perhaps now they’ll take things more seriously, move beyond bumper stickers only, and for example read the pocket constitutions that come with AJ’s DVD orders.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
We need to ALL go out and put these bumper stickers on our cars. If they stop us, put two more on.
August 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Obviously we all know the bumper sticker was not probable cause. The fact that the driver wasn’t told the reason for the stop at the very beginning shows ignorance on the driver’s part and sheer dismissal of ethics on the officer’s part. We should all be aware also (including the occupants of the vehicle) that probable cause does not warrant a search of the occupants nor the vehicle. For that to occur, 1) you either have to give explicit permission or 2) you have be apprehended (not merely detained). If you do not give explicit consent to search, then the police (by law) cannot search. If you either give consent OR are apprehended, then the police (by law) will perform the search. A search occurs regardless of the charges against someone who has “been” apprehended for reasons of officer safety (a search of the person) and for reasons of loss of private property (the contents of the vehicle are recorded [yeah right - but that's what they're SUPPOSED TO DO] prior to being towed by “3rd party” to an impound lot).
This story is suspicious at the very least. If it did happen in the way it has been reported than I can see a lawsuit in the near future. If it had happened to me I would have said, “go f**k yourself” and I’d be in jail for 4 hours and let go. Next stop would be the lawyer’s office.
August 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
These individuals were told to turn around and not look in the direction of where the search was being conducted. Now what if some sort of illegal substance was planted for a future pullover?
August 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
This was on Jones’ radio broadcast of Aug 1, 08. So, if you want to hear it yourself, download the podcast for that day.
The lady was dumbfounded that she and her friend were pulled over because they weren’t doing anything wrong. She said that one of the cops said that the reason why they were pulled over was because of they bumper stickers they had. She seemed pretty steamed about the whole situation. Not too surprisingly.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Why, why, why does this never happen to me?
I get the dirty looks for my Ron Paul & 9/11 bumper stickers, but have yet to be pulled over and asked about them…
Rest assured I will NOT give up my rights for convenience or to make a traffic stop go smoother.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
These people should move back to America where they came from .
Now if we could just remember where we put it .
August 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
This is just another disturbing act which signifies the end of America as a nation of freedom and liberty and a new Amerika of no freedom and no liberty.
These pigs are working for the NWO, it’s obvious.
I’m going to get more Ron Paul bumper stickers for my van and carry a weapon of some sort even if it’s a tire iron…I’d just love to bend it over some pig’s thick skull!
It is very suspicious indeed, the pigs abviously wanted to plant drugs or a weapon of some sort in their vehicle. You simply cannot trust these lying sack of shit pigs. They are worse than the KGB, maybe even with Hitler’s brownshirts.
We also need to be aware there may be a plot against Ron Paul’s convention during these next few weeks: The city may revoke the permit. Even if he does manage to hold the comvention, it may be closed down by the pigs under orders. It would not surprise me at all if they even arrested Ron Paul. Nothing surprises me anymore living in the “Totaletarian States of Amerika”.
This the harbringer of things to come.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
This is worrisome!
Rhonda
August 4th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Most cops wouldn’t recognize the name Ron Paul. I THINK THE LADY IS MAKING THIS UP.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
It would be funny if someone snuck onto the police parkinglot and put Ron Paul R3volution bumperstickers on all the patrol cars.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe a word of this.
Told to put their hands behind their backs? Bollocks this person has been watching to many hollywood cop shows.
Hands behind you back does NOTHING unless they are cuffed. In fact that is DANGEROUS if the person hasn’t been searched (a gun in the waistband for example). What cops REALLY tell you to do is keep your hands in plain sight, by for example putting them on the hood of the car so they can see if you try and get a weapon.
So either the whole story is made up (for whatever reason) or this person’s memory of the event is so faulty as to be completely unreliable.
As IF the cops would TELL her it was the bumper stickers. What bullshit. They would have said speeding or driving erratically or any of a number of other bullshit excuses they always use.
Jesus some people round here are gullible.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
The police could be told to look out for certain bumper stickers on cars. (Ron Paul, 9-11 Truth, Prison Planet, Buck Fush etc.) Remember the recent video of the woman who was pulled over and searched? The police saw her pocket constitution and said “I don’t think she’s allowed to have that.”
August 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Well there prob a video/audio recording of this SOMEWHERE! The COPS are prob still laughing it up and the Police Station over the whole thing. I can assure you this sort of stuff happens. I happened to me more than 25 years ago BEFORE all this crap going on. A local COP pulled me over after me an d buddy had been out on OUR land shooting cans and bottles. He saw the guns in our car and pulled us all out and KEPT the guns HE liked. I hired a lawyer to get my legaly owned property back and it never went anywhere. Now understand, this happened 25 years ago. Today me and my buddy would me in Gwantonamo, or how ever its spelled… I guess I should memorize how to spell that huh?
August 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I am an ex-probation officer and this story is bullshit in my opinion also. These people were doing something or something else about them or their car provoke this pull over. These cops sure would not have told the occupants of the car this was the reason. The cops would be in deep shit.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
“I’m sorry, but I don’t believe a word of this.Told to put their hands behind their backs? Bollocks this person has been watching to many hollywood cop shows.”
I guess you haven’t had the opportunity to be stopped enough to figure out that hands behind your back (while up against your car, hood, or wall, is quite customary.(Raised and locked fingers behind your head or neck…sometimes on knees.
It is possible that the story is made up but equally so that it is true. The position of the hands is certainly not the flaw if there is one in this story.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
They should have Tazed her.
I hope she is charged and gets jailtime. Total fabrication.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Siggy San:
“Who said anything about revolt? Police and others who act in defiance of the Constitution are the revolutionaries. We ask only that the same rights that have been gauranteed to us since the inception of this nation are once again upheld and defended, the way the great patriots George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others intended.
Remember, the whole idea for this nation was to create a place where individual rights were “inalienable”. If you disagree with that principle you have no more right to call yourself a patriot than a mouse has a right to call himself a lion.”
Uh, yeah. Except they violated EVERY SINGLE RIGHT OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN to acheive your glorious, patriotic victory. Idiots like you make me fucking sick.
Shawn:
“Why, why, why does this never happen to me?
I get the dirty looks for my Ron Paul & 9/11 bumper stickers, but have yet to be pulled over and asked about them…
Rest assured I will NOT give up my rights for convenience or to make a traffic stop go smoother.”
Big words from behind your keyboard. If you’re so tough, why do you let them walk all over you in so many other ways?
kinfish:
“Most cops wouldn’t recognize the name Ron Paul. I THINK THE LADY IS MAKING THIS UP.”
I think Alex Jones/Steve Watson/Paul Joseph Watson are making this up. Yet there are tons here who believe it.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
“Remember, the whole idea for this nation was to create a place where individual rights were “inalienable”. If you disagree with that principle you have no more right to call yourself a patriot than a mouse has a right to call himself a lion.”
If those rights are indeed ‘inalienable’ why would you need a Constitution to defend them?
On the surface, this may seem like a dumb question - but it isn’t. It goes straight to the heart of ‘rights’ (natural) versus ‘privileges’ (private law).
Stop contracting with thugs. Stop using their fictions.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Makes me want to get INFOWARS and Ron Paul bumper stickers.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Typical cops. While people are being robbed and murdered these cops are power tripping over a bumper sticker.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
The Las Vegas and North Las Vegas police departments are very militant. I lived there and watched this migration first hand. I have had run ins with them while living there. A friend of mine was pulled over for going 16 mph in a 15 mph school zone. I had never heard of such a thing and didn’t even believe it myself until I saw the ticket.
The police also face a great deal of stress as that entire valley is crumbling economically. There are foreclosures everywhere. The home prices in many areas have fallen 50% from the peak back in 2004. There is a massive amount of dirt poor people, section 8 housing, and homeless people. This place has some of the worst neighborhoods in this entire country. MLK and Carey is awful (central North Las Vegas). There is a Methamphetamine pandemic there as well. The drop out rate in Clark county is beyond terrible. In 2005 only 45% of seniors in high school graduated. And overall the dropout rate for high school students is around 50% (ranks right up there with Cleveland). Las Vegas is running out of water. Lake Mead is literally going dry. The Las Vegas valley is facing massive infrastructure problems that will most likely not be solved. It is a microcosm of our once great nation. There are some very nice neighborhoods in Vegas as well, but overall I’m glad I don’t live there any longer. It’s a really bad place to be if you have no money. That place attracts the poorest quality of individuals in droves.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
I have a “9-11 was an inside job” and an “infowars.com” bumper sticker on my car.
I can’t wait for the day when some pig decides to pull me over for that because he or she is going to wish they hadn’t. I will not give up my rights and they will not railroad me into it either.
Rick and Ingrid, please go and watch on youtube what to do and say when you are pulled over! You gave up some of your constitutional rights. They had no right to search your car! Never consent to a search!
I am glad that you guys are ok and didn’t get tased. Keep fighting the good fight!
August 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Ron Paul & Infowars.com stickers.. effective P I G agitators.
What else?
Next add a 9II was an inside job and you will be strip searched, IN PUBLIC!!!
August 4th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Never let the pigs search your car. They’ll plant dope.
August 4th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I have a RP bumper sticker on each side of my vehicle so all can see who is the best pres. candidate. I’ve had people honk at me and yell over to me at red lights things like “nice RP sticker!” or “RP is the man”. Those stickers aren’t coming off anytime soon… whatever happened to the constitution?
August 4th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I live in Vegas and have Raul Paul and infowars stickers. I haven’t got pulled over yet, however I have not had the stickers on very long. They stickers stay. DVD’s will be duplicated and I will keep talking. I will not stand down.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Does Ron Paul has a Ron Paul sticker on his car?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Again this is getting out of control. What do these cops think we supporters of a free America are harboring in are vehicles? It is really sorry that they are so brainwashed to the controlled tv views of the world. Turn off the tvs and get informed.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
I think we should all put Ron Paul, infowars.com and 9/11 was an inside job posters in our home windows and see what they think of that!
August 4th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Typical Vegas police…Come for vacation, leave on probation.
August 5th, 2008 at 12:03 am
yeah get your stickers on your stuff and the t-shirts on your back and be ready to politely school anyone that suggests it should arouse “suspicion”.
August 5th, 2008 at 2:10 am
I went to a Raw milk seminar in Lebanon Pa. I seen a van that was all RON PAUL and loved it. It shows there are still a few patriots left in America. I will send alex a picture of it. Just had 2 share that ty
August 5th, 2008 at 2:11 am
DAMN HIPPIES…..
August 5th, 2008 at 2:55 am
C’mon you imbiciles! Sue the shit out of them!
The cops can’t pull you over and search your car LEGALLY merely because you have a presidential candidate’s bumper sticker on it with a nationally syndicated radio talkshow bumber sticker.
IT’S ONLY LEGAL IF YOU LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT.
Do your duty! SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM and help keep America free!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:40 am
To sum it up. Ron Paul = pro constitution, anti corporate facist ideology and form of government. Police apparently are demonstrating that they oppose liberty and promote totalitarian control by their actions. Maybe they’d be happier in China.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Back when Slick Willie was the White House resident, I happened to have a bumper sticker on my truck that read, “Happiness is seeing Clinton’s face on a milk carton”, depicting the missing persons campaign used at that time. The police didn’t have much of a sense of humor and I was summarily pulled over and ticketed for a traffic violation (daring to have a tire on the yellow crosshatch leading to a center turn lane). The judge upheld it and I got a lesson in displaying politic preference (not that I was a repub either)- over 12 years ago. It can only get worse. I would imagine next that someone will be tasered in the name of Ron Paul. What a great country this has become.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:17 am
I don’t know how it is anywhere else, but here in Washington when you are pulled over, the cops/legal mafia can now perform what is called a “gull wing” search. This means they can search anything whithin their reach
August 5th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Wait til Marital law is passed, they will shoot people for having a plastic Jesus on their dash..It only getting to get worse folks… go to http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com
August 5th, 2008 at 8:05 am
If this really happened, Ron Paul supporters should stand up against this crap. I would not have said a word to the cops, I would not have left the vehicle either. I carry a video camera, among other things for shit like this. That fuckin cop needs his badge pulled! You can file IA report where I live, cops fear this and when you mention it they straighten up real quick. Get a lawyer and have him take care of the rest.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Where are all the damned lawyers?? SUE THEM. The Judge too. Judges and Police aren’t above the law. The mechanisms of law are always hesitant to prosicute their own, so Judges and Police may get away with a lot, but the Law is on the People’s side. Sue Sue Sue, every last one. Make them accountable, make them scared to break the law. Like they do to us. Don’t cooperate with them, don’t be an accomplice in your own dehumanization. They NEED us to go along with it because, (to paraphrase); A million globalists simply cannot control 6 billion Free people if they refuse to cooperate.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:30 am
This is outrageous. How can people continue to allow this to happen?
I can’t help but be reminded of what kind of intimidation they put you through in China if you don’t belong to the official party. Now is the time for action. It is now or never. The longer we leave them
in power, the more powerful they will become.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Please follow up with these people and scream “I’m not going to take it any more!” Make sure they sue and humiliate every one concerned in this outrage. Don’t lete the story go away.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:30 am
I’d have asked the officer to go on record for the stop and search and state on camera why I arroused suspicion and what does Ron Paul or Infowars make the officer suspicious of?
We need to make a stand against this kind of thing! I’ve got to be honest like, I purposely dont have that sticker in my car (in UK) as I drive around smoking weed all day, so want to remain as “normal” as posible
Straigh headed I’d invite the police to pull me, I’d be happy to blast them for 5 minutes!
August 5th, 2008 at 9:36 am
FASCIST PIGS, FASCIST PIGS, FASCIST PIGS. That’s all I have to say.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
If this is even true the people were by their own admission way too submissive, cooperative and ameable. You do not have to answer anything, just sign the citation if they write one and be on your way. do not consent to searches and do not feel beholden to answer some pig’s questions. It is a real shame that infowars readers/ Paul supporter such as portrayed in this story would not know their rights.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Please post these officers names.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
1. You shouldn’t have let the cop search the car. It sounds like the cop gave you no choice and also did not state what what his probable cause was before doing so. It’s true you didn’t ask (which you should have) but they still need to be sued for both of those transgressions.
Now, when you refuse to have your car searched, they will call a K-9 cop to see if the dog smells drugs in your car. Often, the cop will keep a bag of weed in his pocket which he will touch and then touch your car which will cause the dog to detect drugs, then giving them the PC to search. But, a K-9 may not be available so they will have to let you go. Also, when you get out of the car, you need to lock your keys in the car behind you and have a spare hidden somewhere. The cops then can’t get in and you can use the spare to get back in your car and leave after they leave.
Everyone needs to read Boston T. Party’s book “You and the Police” immediately! Especially if you’re going to be attracting attention to yourself and mixing it up with cops on a constant basis. or even if you’re not. Essential!
2. Why in the hell didn’t you let him explain why those bumper stickers justified such harassment? He was letting you go anyway, you should have gotten the explanation. This is stuff that everyone needs to know about how “law enforcement” sees us and will come at us in the future.
Thanks for reporting this incident to us though and I’m glad you guys made it out without getting brutalized or killed by those scum. This is very serious and lets us know that the stakes have now gotten much higher. We’re heading into very serious times.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:58 am
@Everyone
Jesus a lot of you people are gullible.
The old “I wasn’t doing nothing” line is a load of cobblers. If a cop follows you long enough you WILL do something they can pull you over for. Slightly too fast going downhill? Wandered into the other lane an inch or so while avoiding a pothole? Not following at the required distance? I mean the list of things they can pull you over for is huge, and every single one of them would have been a far better excuse than bumper stickers.
What if the person had a tape recorder on them? Or turned up with a lawyer demanding the dash cam footage? This is just TOO much bullshit to be believed in the form presented. And what do you know, it ALSO advertises infowars!!! Surprise!!!
Viral marketing at its best people. That’s what this is.
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@Dee
“I guess you haven’t had the opportunity to be stopped enough to figure out that hands behind your back (while up against your car, hood, or wall, is quite customary.(Raised and locked fingers behind your head or neck…sometimes on knees.
It is possible that the story is made up but equally so that it is true. The position of the hands is certainly not the flaw if there is one in this story.”
Well, if that is true, it is no wonder so many cops get killed! Sorry if I don’t believe you.
MAYBE if you have been searched they may tell you to put your hands behind your back, but this article does not say THEY were searched, only the car. No way in HELL would a cop in a country that allows handguns to be sold to just about anyone tell someone to hide their hands while they turn their back on them!
Hell, they get antsy when you put your hand in your pocket to get your ID! As soon as the person’s hands are no longer visible, a very dangerous situation has arisen. Knives, guns etc are not the only reason. What if you have drugs hidden on you, and use the hands behind your back pose to dispose of them. How could the cop say they saw you drop it, assuming they even found them?
Seriously!
The other poses you talk about are done exactly to counteract this! Hands behind head means you have to make a large movement to threaten the officer or hide contraband. On the knees, once again, they are visible. Totally different from telling you to hide your hands!
August 6th, 2008 at 2:19 am
@Everyone
The more times I read this story, the more gaping holes I find. For example:
“one of the officers got out on the drivers side of the police car and walked over to my friends window (the drivers side)”
So the author of the email wasn’t driving the vehicle.
“Then one of the officers called me back to the side of the car, said he wanted to talk to me. He asked me if there was anything illegal in this car, I said no. He said you had better being telling the truth because we are going to search this car.”
Why would the cop call the PASSENGER over to request permission to search (or inform a search was going to be carried out)? The person informed of such things is the person in control of the vehicle, i.e. the driver.
Maybe they “knew” the passenger was the registered owner? But the author of the email claims earlier:
“He did not ask for the registration to the car or for proof of insurance.”
So nope that can’t be it. So what could be the reason? Well obviously, the reason is that the author would not be able to tell us what was said and be believed unless she was the one it was said to. Convenient, huh?
I missed this before, but after this conversation:
“Well, Alex they (the police) started searching my friend and myself.”
So they apparently were searched but only after they had been told to stand by the police car with their hands behind their back. Better late than never I suppose.
Finally, after all this, and without a whimper of resistance:
“As we are walking to the car one officer comes walking towards me and says “You know why we had to do this right”?”
So the cop came over and offered the “explanation” unbidden? Yeah right.
In that article, there is a link to a post on another site talking about a WeAreChange volunteer being arrested while handing out free DVD’s. Here is a small excerpt:
“He then proceeded to write me out a ticket as several more officers pulled up, probably about a dozen or so in total. We asked them about peddling and they kept telling me to “be quiet” “let it go” and “we’re not talking to you. They all avoided directly answering my questions about the nature of “peddling”. Eventually some of them told us that the mall was private property of the Denver Business Partnership, and not public property.”
Notice the BULLSHIT excuse. THAT is how cops work. No way in hell are they going to admit they pulled you over for a bogus reason. That is massive lawsuit, job termination, and possibly criminal charges (civil rights violations), territory. No way in hell.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Well, Karmakazee, I do not see anything wrong with the story. They pull each person out and ask them the same things, no matter who owns the car. They always separate. There were 2 officers. One went to the driver and one to the passenger. They do make people stand with their hands behind their backs. The officer obviously didn’t ask the passenger to search at all. Maybe they asked the driver, but they TOLD the passenger they were going to search. Some of you don’t know cops. They WOULD pull you over for a bogus reason and if they are told to harrass Patriots, they want the word to spread so bumper stickers will not be put on at all. They want the INFOWAR to stop spreading. They do pat people down before searching the vehicle because they don’t want anyone pulling a gun or a shank. I wouldn’t pick apart the story so much. Lok at all the videos of the police tasing and beating people for no reason. I imagine the people were a bit shaken and sometimes you don’tremember every little step that happens when you go through something traumatic. I know I feel trauma when I’m pulled over. Heck, I get nervous when I even see a cop driving on the road even though I’m not doing anything wrong. It’s a long cry from feeling safe from crime by seeing them out.
Now, I got pulled over for passing someone on a 2 lane road way out in the country. I had a Ron Paul sticker on a mini-van. The first thing he asks me is if this 2002 MINI-VAN is stolen. Like if I was going to steal a vehicle I would pick a mini-van. I could have been given a warning, but spend almost $200 for the ticket. I was very cooperative because I know what they are like. I was more in Ron Paul territory anyway, but still found it odd the first thing he would ask me was if it as stolen. Maybe the vehicle didn’t look like something I would drive which is now why I have a sports car, LOL.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Oh, I forgot to add that the stories from ‘We Are Change’ are going to be true. Did you not hear the interview on Alex’s show? There were a group of them with the DVDs and the ‘We Are Change’ groups are harrassed and also thrown out of political events all of the time. The powers that be know exactly who they are and all the good work that they do for we patriots and the entire country. (of course THEY don’t like it because they fight the NWO and keep speaking about 9-11)
August 6th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Sue the department, sue the city. Call the ACLU to set up the publicity. And every other possible radio show whatever. This is tyrannical harrasement and shouldn’t be tolerated.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:51 am
@Mad as hell
“Well, Karmakazee, I do not see anything wrong with the story. They pull each person out and ask them the same things, no matter who owns the car.”
No, they have very set procedures that they use for a reason - to make sure their legal standing is unassailable. For example asking to or notifying of a search of a vehicle is always done to the DRIVER because THEY are legally responsible for what is in the vehicle. If they found something but hadn’t asked the driver, then the driver could say it was an illegal search in court, and he would be right.
That’s one reason they follow these procedures. The other is officer safety. When the officer does not KNOW you don’t have a weapon, then they NEED to see your hands at all times, so that they don’t put their own lives at risk.
Occam’s Razor says the simplest explanation is likely the correct explanation, and the idea that cops would break procedures so badly, then notify the passenger that it was an illegal stop, is just insane. They would have NO REASON to ADMIT IT. But it makes for a good story, so the protagonist is at the centre of all the action. In fact the driver, in the story, barely rates a mention, and is always just on the sidelines while everything else happens to the passenger.
Its a SCRIPT, and a bad one. It has all the hallmarks.
“Maybe they asked the driver, but they TOLD the passenger they were going to search.”
And maybe they never did either. Maybe the whole story is made up. The evidence suggests that is the case. Why would the passenger say SHE was called over to the car and asked if there was anything illegal? That is the FIRST step in the search process, just like “did you pack your bags yourself”. They don’t do that just for the hell of it, it is part of the procedure.
Also, why does the story leave all the interactions the driver had out? If the driver was asked, then why not say so? Why would the cop walk over to the PASSENGER and say “Do you know why we stopped you?” (another standard phrase used as part of the procedure in a traffic stop)
Normally they are hoping you will CONFESS without thinking “I forgot to indicate” “I was driving a little too fast” etc
everything you say is written down because they can use it if you contest any ticket they give you, or charges in court.
That’s why this story stinks to high heaven. All the phrases everyone has heard if they have ever been pulled over by a cop are there, but they are in the wrong places, or imply the wrong thing. The first thing the cop says to the driver is to ask for id etc, and the second is “do you know why I pulled you over?”, not at the end, as an afterthought, to the passenger.
“They WOULD pull you over for a bogus reason and if they are told to harrass Patriots, they want the word to spread so bumper stickers will not be put on at all.”
Oh get real. Doing things like this draws far more attention to Ron Paul or Infowars than just ignoring it…. Hey… You don’t think… Nah, it couldn’t be…
“They do pat people down before searching the vehicle because they don’t want anyone pulling a gun or a shank.”
Except in this case they didn’t apparently. Well, not until they had been told to go stand by the cop car for no apparent reason… Why was that again? The cops tell them to stand by the cop car, then just stand around for awhile, then call the passenger over to notify her of a search, then they search the driver and passenger… The order of events is all screwed up.
“Lok at all the videos of the police tasing and beating people for no reason.”
And not once did the cop say “you know why I tazed you right? Because you support…”
Do you seriously believe a police officer would admit to committing a Federal crime?
I am not saying that they DON’T commit such crimes, but ADMITTING it? No frigging way. I’m not even saying things like this don’t happen, because it is clear they do. I am saying THIS didn’t happen, unless they have a lot better evidence than this bullshit story.
“I imagine the people were a bit shaken and sometimes you don’tremember every little step that happens when you go through something traumatic.”
Like being told you were pulled over for failing to indicate? Yep, I can certainly imagine the passenger might not remember the driver being told that, and well, the people involved already think all cops are jackbooted thugs, so assuming the bumper stickers were the reason makes sense in a way. Especially as stories of this kind of persecution keep turning up, implanting in peoples mind that there is no possible reason a cop might pull them over OTHER than Nazi tactics of the NWO.
Don’t get me wrong, I am no cop fan boy - I am simply pointing out that THIS story is totally IMPLAUSIBLE. Read that WeAreChange if you want to see how this sort of thing really happens.
“I know I feel trauma when I’m pulled over. Heck, I get nervous when I even see a cop driving on the road even though I’m not doing anything wrong. It’s a long cry from feeling safe from crime by seeing them out.”
That’s exactly what I am talking about. You already expect them to be Nazis so if you don’t know what you did - and there are a multitude of things you can do - to be pulled over, then what is YOUR first assumption going to be? “The NWO are after me for my Ron Paul stickers!”, most likely.
“Now, I got pulled over for passing someone on a 2 lane road way out in the country. I had a Ron Paul sticker on a mini-van”
Boom, right there is reason to pull you over. Crossed the center line. All the cop has to do is say it was a dangerous passing maneuver. No need to admit to Federal crimes.
“The first thing he asks me is if this 2002 MINI-VAN is stolen.”
I’m betting what he really said was “Is this your car?”. That ensures you can’t say the car was not yours and so you didn’t know the 20kgs of cocaine was in the back…
“Like if I was going to steal a vehicle I would pick a mini-van.”
Happens all the time, especially with drug runners etc. It’s easier to hide 20kgs of coke in a minivan than a mini.
“I could have been given a warning, but spend almost $200 for the ticket.”
Or maybe because you hate cops, you said something or acted surly and pissed the cop off. Happens all the time.
“I was very cooperative because I know what they are like.”
Everyone says that - and everyone knows that being cooperative doesn’t mean you aren’t being a prick. Just a surly attitude is easily detected, no matter what you actually say. He also might have run your plate and seen a string of similar offenses, and maybe decided this time to teach you a lesson? But I’m sure you’ve never done anything like that before and been caught, right?
“I was more in Ron Paul territory anyway, but still found it odd the first thing he would ask me was if it as stolen. Maybe the vehicle didn’t look like something I would drive which is now why I have a sports car, LOL.”
Or maybe, like I said, it is standard procedure? And maybe the “sports car” is an indication of your driving style and record?
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@Mad as hell 2
“Oh, I forgot to add that the stories from ‘We Are Change’ are going to be true. Did you not hear the interview on Alex’s show?”
I never said they weren’t. In fact the complete opposite. I used their story to show how this sort of thing is done. Bullshit tickets with bullshit excuses, that eventually get thrown out of court, but not before they’ve been able to move you along and cost you a bunch of time and money. Admitting that is what they are doing is NOT how they operate.
Compare and contrast the two stories. See how right from word go, the cop in the WeAreChange story is setting up the false excuse. In THIS story, they do basically nothing (they didn’t even issue a citation as far as we can tell, so no evidence that this stop happened, conveniently) and then at the end the cops admit they committed a federal crime. Sorry, I don’t buy it at all.
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@Gabriel A. King
“Sue the department, sue the city.”
Won’t happen, because it’s a bullshit story.
“And every other possible radio show whatever.”
Which is the point of it all - publicity.
January 17th, 2009 at 1:10 am
I’m also wondering how they got the cop to admit that he pulled them over for a bogus reason. It’s happened to me a couple of times, but usually it comes out in the form of the cop asking for a date. But, they have a bogus reason for pulling you over first - something completely fabricated like and expired sticker (when it isn’t ) or accusing you of swerving so that they can order you into a dark parking lot at night. I did come out of the car ready for a fight on that one because I seriously thought the possibility existed that I was going to be murdered one way or the other. That guy let me go with an apology. But, the other one became a stalker. I ended up not being able to go to work, had to just leave my apartment and move out of the area. But, getting them to tell you why they REALLY pulled you over isn’t going to be easy unless they have an ulterior motive like trying to get a date with you.