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Debating Torture Is Like Debating Whether Rape Is Good

Posted By admin On January 27, 2013 @ 7:10 am In Prison Planet | Comments Disabled

Washington’s Blog [1]
Jan 27, 2013

Torture doesn’t work to produce helpful intelligence. All of the top experts say that it hurts our national security [2]. (More [3]).

Those who believe that torture produces helpful intelligence don’t understand the facts … just as people that think that a woman’s body can reject a rape-induced pregnancy [4] are uninformed.

Zero Dark Thirty is CIA-sponsored government propaganda [5]. But the filmmaker – Katheryn Bigelow –claims [6] that it’s a “complicated” issue that can’t be oversimplified.

Slavoj Žižek notes [7]:

With torture, one should not “think” [about trade-offs involved in a "complex" issue]. A parallel with rape imposes itself here: what if a film were to show a brutal rape in the same neutral way, claiming that one should avoid cheap moralism and start to think about rape in all its complexity? Our guts tell us that there is something terribly wrong here; I would like to live in a society where rape is simply considered unacceptable, so that anyone who argues for it appears an eccentric idiot, not in a society where one has to argue against it. The same goes for torture: a sign of ethical progress is the fact that torture is “dogmatically” rejected as repulsive, without any need for argument.

Žižek also notes that the pro-torture crowd argues that it’s just real life … so we should discuss it:

So what about the “realist” argument: torture has always existed, so is it not better to at least talk publicly about it? This, exactly, is the problem. If torture was always going on, why are those in power now telling us openly about it? There is only one answer: to normalise it, to lower our ethical standards.

I agree that torture is immoral, and that we destroy the ethical standards that make us Americans by endorsing it. But that misses two more fundamental issues:

Until we understand those facts, all debate about “real world trade-offs” makes no more sense than debating whether rape is a good or bad thing.

Žižek gives another analogy:

Imagine a documentary that depicted the Holocaust in a cool, disinterested way as a big industrial-logistic operation, focusing on the technical problems involved (transport, disposal of the bodies, preventing panic among the prisoners to be gassed). Such a film would either embody a deeply immoral fascination with its topic, or it would count on the obscene neutrality of its style to engender dismay and horror in spectators. Where is Bigelow here?

Without a shadow of a doubt, she is on the side of the normalisation of torture.

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[1] Washington’s Blog: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/debating-torture-is-like-debating-whether-rape-is-good.html

[2] doesn’t work to produce helpful intelligence. All of the top experts say that it hurts our national security: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/9-torture-myths-debunked.html

[3] More: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/german-court-cia-abducted-tortured-and-sodomized-a-german-citizen.html

[4] people that think that a woman’s body can reject a rape-induced pregnancy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/todd-akin-abortion-legitimate-rape_n_1807381.html

[5] CIA-sponsored government propaganda: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/the-cia-and-other-government-agencies-dominate-hollywood-movies-and-television.html

[6] claims: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-0116-bigelow-zero-dark-thirty-20130116,0,5937785.story

[7] notes: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/25/zero-dark-thirty-normalises-torture-unjustifiable

[8] known for thousands of years: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/torture-is-a-form-of-terrorism.html

[9] to falsely concoct a justification for an illegal war: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/5-hours-after-the-911-attacks-donald-rumsfeld-said-my-interest-is-to-hit-saddam-he-also-said-go-massive-sweep-it-all-up-things-related-and-not-and-at-2.html

[10] ‘If I didn’t confess to 7/7 bombings MI5 officers would rape my wife,’ claims torture victim: http://www.prisonplanet.com/if-i-didnt-confess-to-77-bombings-mi5-officers-would-rape-my-wife-claims-torture-victim.html

[11] Obama Admin Continues To Protect Bush Torture Criminals; Denies Photos Show Rape: http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-admin-continues-to-protect-bush-torture-criminals-denies-photos-show-rape.html

[12] Fake Rape Photos Re-Emerge Again To Discredit Real Torture Scandal: http://www.prisonplanet.com/fake-rape-photos-re-emerge-again-to-discredit-real-torture-scandal.html

[13] Obama to ban PoW photos exposing rape, torture: http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-to-ban-pow-photos-exposing-rape-torture.html

[14] Will G20 Police Succeed In Covering Up Reports of Rape and Torture?: http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-g20-police-succeed-in-covering-up-reports-of-rape-and-torture.html

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