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Design of Building 7 — Texas Engineer, Richard Gage, and Alex Jones
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Monday, December 22, 2008
Texas Engineer calls into the Alex Jones show and discusses with Richard Gage elements of the steel construction of Building 7. Some excellent photos of steel construction are in this short video.
Derek, a mechanical engineer familiar with aspects surrounding steel welds, states: “Engineers have an ethical responsibility to protect public health and safety. If we designed building 7 wrong, shouldn’t we get many opinions on where we went wrong…so we don’t have more buildings falling at freefall speed from office fire?”
Derek points out that NIST has not been forthcoming with sharing building 7 construction contract documents with the public, and therefore blocking an independent Finite Element Method survey, which will solve many many mysteries which lie therein.
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December 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 am
This collapse is illogical.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 am
I believe that all high rise steel buildings should outlaw: all hot plates, microwaves, external heaters, blow driers, heated blankets, curling irons, ect.
I mean, any fire started could cause total collapse of the structure.
What is reality?
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
The truth is not within them. Let’s all remember that the Bible tells us that this is Satan’s world for the time being. The current world governments including the United States of America are not of God they are mechanisms of the devil. His agents can only bring about evil and in these final three and a half years before the return of Christ the devil and his demons will be out in full force attempting to drag down as many of God’s children as possible. He is fully aware that he is about to be confined for one thousand years.
My point is simple. Do not ever place your faith in man’s governments for they are inspired by evil. Place your faith in God Yahweh Elohim, our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Accept Jesus as your savior and through Him ask Yahweh, an all merciful God for forgiveness. Repent of your sins and receive God’s gift of everlasting life.
For further information on how to please God and become part of the Holy Elohim Family please visit the Church of God PKG. As the Bible reveals all true Scriptural insight comes from the divine understanding given only through God’s Holy Spirit to those cleansed in spirit and keeping Gods laws.
Repent brothers and sisters, I hope to see you in God’s coming Kingdom. “Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.”
All glory be to the Almighty God Yahweh Elohim
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
One should understand that buildings, especially steel frames high-rise buildings, are NOT a frail assembly ready to collapse upon the slightest pressure.
Their structures are extremely strong, flexible and with elements interconnetced.
Note how the little “shack” on the roof of BDG 7 has its own little roof bend in the middle, then disappear even before the building at large being affected whatsoever. Also, the puffs of smoke on the facade of the BDG 7 follow two vertical parallel stripes that go all the way from top to bottom: these are the two main support collumns where most explosives were planted.
I mean, it is really ridiculous to start to “reflect” on the the view of probably the most obvious controlled demolition example in the world, as the case of BDG 7 is…
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 am
Tower 7 was the smoking gun for me. I was not aware of it until a good friend in Portland started me on my own path of research and discovery. Thank you Alex Jones and prisonplanet.com!
(Please have a listen to “Tower 7″ by clicking my name)
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 am
Building 7 was the smoking gun that unraveled all, because it was apparent that it was demolished, it then linked that the trade centers were also demolished. I believe the pensylvania flight was supposed to crash into building 7 as to cover it’s demolishion. They botched this false flag so bad. They were also hoping that only controled MSM cameras were catching footage. The same technologies they are using to control us are being used against them. How ironic.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 am
WTC 7 is what got my attention and made me realize 911 was an inside job.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 am
Bring back the pioneer days.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 am
You can talk all you want about the integrity of a steel frame structure, IF AND ONLY IF its components are high grade. What about when they’re not? When steel is second grade, when bolts are second grade, when concrete is second grade, when the whole construction is second grade, it WILL pancake collapse under stress—usually an earthquake, a bombing and occasionally during construction.
The culprits on 9/11 are not the Bush Administration (though their incompetence was staggering). The culprits are Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the New York mob, which controlled every facet of the poorly, second grade constructed WTC. Those buildings were houses of cards. Most all post-1960 buildings in NYC are houses of cards. The mob bills for first grade and delivers second and third grade. Skimming construction in NYC is a multi-billion dollar racket controlled from permit to supply to construction to inspection by the mob. Why do you think there were no forensics on the rubble? Why did the concrete turn to dust? Not because there was evidence of demolition; no, it was because there was evidence of sub-prime materials. And one last word: There is no visible evidence of demolition, at least not any demolition I’ve ever seen. Demolitions of multi-storied buildings need thousands of squibs going off along the exterior walls. Just look at any demolition—they can be seen exploding everywhere. You do not see that in the WTC collapses.
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
Hey Marci, I guess that’s why they knew the building was going down at the BBC. They knew the corruption of NYC was such that they would not blink to use second rate materials. Also caused all that majik high grade termite/thermate to appear out of nowhere. Do you think Marci’s scared of the truth in her own mind or is paid to try and explain it away? Seriously Marc, … you’re just trying to explain ALL THE EVIDENCE away.
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 am
Good grief. This is not about me. It’s about not seeing squibs. It’s about concrete turning to dust. It’s about a steel frame building coming apart with absolutely no visual evidence of high rise demolition—at least any demolition I’ve ever seen. Four or five puffs of dust coming out of windows is not evidence of squibs. To bring down a building the size of the WTC’s you would see literally 10,000 squibs going off down along the sides of these buildings, not four or five.
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
Marci, wake the F*!% up!!!!
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 am
Hey Marci, while you are wasting your meaningless time on visual evidence of a demolition, others are listening to the confession from Larry Silverstein, the man who owned the building!! He gave an order to “pull it”. That means demolish the building in lehman’s terms. So take your squibbs and shove them right up your arse!
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am
Nice language. Totally undeserved, and just plain mean. You need to take a good look in the mirror, tomtom. Why are you so angry? Why are you so mean? Especially to someone you’ve never met?
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
The squibs were so constant that you can not distinguish them from other parts of the explosions. I believe that they planted so many explosives that you could not distinguish one from another. They needed a quick clean up. We are pushing on a string with these subjects. Although important, we need to focus on getting people into Government who want ” Change ” and who want to bring this Empire back into control. The only way we are going to get anything done is from the inside!
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 pm
You a concrete core proponent Marci? Are you suggesting the buildings just spontaneously turned to dust or something? Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. There’s far more evidence of something awry than building 7.
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
marci. it’s very simple. The people here beleive what they want to. I doesn’t really come before e. It is all a conspiracy fabricated by George Bush Jr.
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
“In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments.”
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Dear Sweet Marci, If you cannot run with the big dogs. Stay on the porch sweetie.
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Marci:
“You can talk all you want about the integrity of a steel frame structure, IF AND ONLY IF its components are high grade.”
“Low grade” is not legal. Sorry. It’s either ASTM A36 plate or it isn’t. It’s either an AISC A490 bolt or it isn’t. It’s either AWS 7018 welding electrodes or it isn’t. It’s either ASTM A500 tube steel or it isn’t. It’s either ASTM A53B grade pipe or it isn’t. It’s either the structural engineers recommendations or it isn’t. It’s either a certified welder or it isn’t.
“What about when they’re not? When steel is second grade, when bolts are second grade, when concrete is second grade, when the whole construction is second grade, it WILL pancake collapse under stress—usually an earthquake, a bombing and occasionally during construction. ”
No, this would not be contracted. Not since after 1910 could you legal permit and build a public structure in the way you describe above. No earthuake has initiated a freefall building collapse. Good try though, and please show me a peer reviewed FEA survey of the “pancake collapse theory”, if you don’t mind.
“The culprits on 9/11 are not the Bush Administration (though their incompetence was staggering). The culprits are Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the New York mob, which controlled every facet of the poorly, second grade constructed WTC.”
Who the hell knows this? I don’t, and neither do you. I can assure you that there was very little about the WTC structural construction that would allow a freefall speed collapse. But we do know what happens during office fire, and freefall collapse isn’t one of the events.
“Those buildings were houses of cards.”
Your credibility, now is gone.
“Most all post-1960 buildings in NYC are houses of cards.”
No, not exactly.
“The mob bills for first grade and delivers second and third grade. Skimming construction in NYC is a multi-billion dollar racket controlled from permit to supply to construction to inspection by the mob. Why do you think there were no forensics on the rubble? Why did the concrete turn to dust? Not because there was evidence of demolition; no, it was because there was evidence of sub-prime materials. And one last word: There is no visible evidence of demolition, at least not any demolition I’ve ever seen. Demolitions of multi-storied buildings need thousands of squibs going off along the exterior walls. Just look at any demolition—they can be seen exploding everywhere. You do not see that in the WTC collapses.”
There would be NYC buildings falling left and right if your charges were true. And the 45 degree cuts on the I & W beams seen during the cleanup offers us one clue, not to mention explosives witnessed, firefighters backing up the public away from the building, and don’t forget the rapid removal and tight regulation of the demolition crews or the blatant refusal to release the construction documents….
Your NYC building construction theory is worse than “no planes hit the buildings”.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Dropped it in it’s tracks in seconds. Osama from a cave…anyone who believes that is dumber than a hammer. EVERY word of the governments story on 911 is a LIE. Pentagons 757’s a lie, Iraq”s a lie. Afghanistan a lie, Georgia a lie. Georgie, Rummy, Condi and Big Dick should all be prosecuted for war crimes and mass murder, See famed LA DA Vince Bugliosi’s book “The Prosecution of George Bush for murder” Bugliosi convicted Charles Manson. Compared to Georgie, the drunken village idiot and the worlds pariah Manson is a piker.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Marci says: “To bring down a building the size of the WTC’s you would see literally 10,000 squibs going off down along the sides of these buildings, not four or five.”… or just an ordinary office fire that causes one column to “thermally expand” and give way according to NIST. Which one is it? And please, 10,000 squibs? How may key support columns did WTC7 have? No where near 10,000. You get the troll of the day award.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Marci, Marci, Marci……
1. Molten metal for days after the collapse?
2. If these buildings were a house of cards wouldn’t the first WTC bombing have caused the building to collapse? or earthquakes, storms/high winds, ect, ect, ect.
3. Do you have any video proof of “WILL pancake collapse under stress—usually an earthquake, a bombing and occasionally during construction.” ? And would they cause a building to fall at free fall speeds STRAIGHT down?
4. And a million other “What about…”
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Why not hire civil engineer [true] Osama Bin Ladin as commander in chief. He is apparently more competent and more economical than the trillion dollar military industrial complex that is currentyly in charge. He doesn’t even require the expense of an air force. Bin Ladin can do more from a cave than the drunken village idiot can do from the white house, including break the universal laws of physics.
December 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 am
Excellent points Derek #20! As an structural engineer myself who’s both built steel-framed structures and studied their failures, I can assure you that materials are never, ever the culprit in collapses. The chief causes are: 1. Contractor errors and poor workmanship 2. Improperly followed or detailed connections 3. Design flaws on the part of the engineer. Materials fail because they are used improperly not because they are inherantly weak, undersized, or underspec’d. I’ve seen failures where the best materials were used and simply if they are loaded in the wrong way or in violation of engineering practice or the provisions of the governing Code they fail.
Further, conventional steel-framed structures don’t fail in a “pancake” failure mode, they just don’t unless they are being demolished. Even “cheap” concrete doesn’t pulverize due to all the minimum steel reinforcing they cast into it to prevent shrinkage/expansion cracking as well all the stone aggregate.
I will admit, Marci makes a good arguement from the perspective of a frustrated seeker. However, as I’ve said time and time again, as something Mike Ruppert used to say, what we’ve learned from the JFK Assassination is that we’ll never convince the public 100% based on scientific evidence because the vast majority of Americans aren’t scientists, engineers, or trained as either. You show them facts and figures and angles and proofs and their eyes glaze over. His/her points are a testament to that notion.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 am
Marci,
If they used low grade materials as you say, then are you also proposing that they used HIGH GRADE materials in towers 3 and 4?? Because they remained standing even though towers 1 and 2 fell right on top of them. And if it was a pancake collapse, how would a pankace collapse occur, in it’s completion, in just over 10 seconds when a ball leaving the top of the building, in free fall, would hit the ground in just over 9 seconds? And how does a gravity fed collapse place tiny human bone fragments on the top of surrounding buildings hundreds of meters away?
Marci honey, you’ve stepped unto the field. Please make sure you’re wearing a helmet if you don’t have the plays memorized.
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
They should just admit they did it for all it would matter.
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Say Dr. Weezil … Any way you could stop by here:
http://intwain.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/next/
And let me know what you think … Derek has already graciously stopped by and given me a thumbs up but I would like to get as many educated opinions as possible … I would really appreciate it … really ….
And Derek if your still around I gave a reply to your last comment there … come on by … You are missed …
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Marci … You should stop by to apparently … I make it pretty simple ….
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
heya marci
here’s a very compelling video by architects and engineers for 911 truth.
http://www.ae911truth.org/flashmov11.htm
watch this if you want to… it will give you a little more perspective.
peace.