Does Memory Reside Outside the Brain?

Leonardo Vintiñi
EPOCH NEWS
Tuesday, September 2, 2008

After decades of investigation, scientists are still unable to explain why no part of the brain seems responsible for storing memories.

Most people assume that our memories must exist somewhere inside our heads. But try as they might, medical investigators have been unable to determine which cerebral region actually stores what we remember. Could it be that our memories actually dwell in a space outside our physical structure?

Biologist, author, and investigator Dr. Rupert Sheldrake notes that the search for the mind has gone in two opposite directions. While a majority of scientists have been searching inside the skull, he looks outside.

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According to Sheldrake, author of numerous scientific books and articles, memory does not reside in any geographic region of the cerebrum, but instead in a kind of field surrounding and permeating the brain. Meanwhile, the brain itself acts as a “decoder” for the flux of information produced by the interaction of each person with their environment.

In his paper “Mind, Memory, and Archetype Morphic Resonance and the Collective Unconscious” published in the journal Psychological Perspectives, Sheldrake likens the brain to a TV set—drawing an analogy to explain how the mind and brain interact.

“If I damaged your TV set so that you were unable to receive certain channels, or if I made the TV set aphasic by destroying the part of it concerned with the production of sound so that you could still get the pictures but could not get the sound, this would not prove that the sound or the pictures were stored inside the TV set.

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21 Responses to “Does Memory Reside Outside the Brain?”

Ben Smith Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Why is this quackery on Prisonplanet? The idea that memory is distributed throughout neural networks has been known for decades. It works, the experiments have been done, the simulations verify the observations.
trueblue Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Well, Ben, this Doctor is just a wacko then, if what you believe is true. He must not have read the opinions that you have! lol
Tucker Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Ben-

i believe the reason this IDEA is here on PP is to give us food for thought. it’s progressive science and not the static ‘received opinion’ brand of science you defend so fiercely.

just ponder string theory for a moment.
it is admittedly weird, but also highly satisfactory in explaining ‘the mystery’.
everything is electric. pretty cool.

Dr. Sheldrake seems a very serious scientist. He appears to be saying to us that the mind, memory and our thought processes just might be dependent on an outside force such as a magnetic field, auras, the ‘astral’ plane, other planes…. whatever. I don’t feel threatened by that. Why do you?

to wit: all the old paintings of jesus and saints included auras around the head. this isn’t some new age quackery at all. this idea is very ancient.

i think the reason Alex et al put it here was that it relates to his reporting on HAARP, cell phone tower emissions and other potential mental jamming devices that are or are not being used on we the people as forms of thought disruption.

your closed mind might actually be proof of disruption.
do you live near a cell tower? just a thought.
Tod G Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
The brain is a symbolic projection of the mind, which is part of the consciousness that is independent from the body. All matter is in fact made of consciousness and cannot exist without some form of conscious observation.
Herman Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Ben Smith is full of shit.

Neural Networks don’t store memory in the sense of which it is described in the article.

Neural Networks can be TRAINED to regurgitate a desired output when given a certain input.

Neural Networks will then output something “intelligent” when given a little bit different input.

But what about the genetic memories? What about remote viewing? What about psychic phenomenon?

They don’t fit into Neural Network paradigm, so therefore the data doesn’t exist! Back to left-brain prison camp for you.
honest_con Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
this is not quackery! persons who had operations and partial removal of their brains (sometimes up to half) still retained their FULL memory. Unless memory is stored something like a hologram within the brain then new alternative explanations are required.

experiments in Russia about 15 years ago show that a persons emotions at location X can affect a sample of his DNA at location Y in real time. the distance is can be up to many miles away. other experiments like the “DNA phantom effect” are also very interesting.

i believe that not only can memories be stored outside the brain but the human mind can also. This is all starting to become linked in with quantum field theory.

if you are interested in outside mainstream science go to http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com for some facinating interviews that really open your mind. august 2007 interview with Harry Oldfield and december 2007 interview with Dr.Manir and also March 2008 interview with Lynne McTagart.
Jamo Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
It’s long been debated that we are moving to a collective higher conciousness on a spiritual level as we move towards 2012. Where we can communicate on a higher level and tap into the ‘torsion field’ of ‘hyperdimensional physics’.

David Wilcock talks about this on the camelot project website in detail http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock.html .

Richard Hoagland talks about this too on his Josua tree 2012 conference http://video.google.com (and he bases his views of facts if you have read his book, Dark Mission) /videoplay?docid=415642926952756265

The torsion field is where so called ‘free energy’ comes from and this is one of the reasons why free energy has been supressed and hidded because it opens up a new dimension to science if it’s acknowledged officially. ‘Waking up’ was described by David Icke and AJ a month ago as “more and more people are waking up every day” AJ thinks that this is to the “truth about the NWO, 9/11, tyrany etc” but Icke is really talking about this “collective conciousness”. The new world order know this collective ‘wake up’ is going to happen and they fear this more than ANYTHING ELSE because it means that they will lose control and thus, their power. Remember in endgame that “They don’t need the money they have all the money they want, what they are after is power”.

The result of this is going to be a struggle for power between the dark NWO governments of The new world order and ‘awake people’ who see the real truth - not just 9/11, Iraq war but real truth as to ‘who we are’, ‘where we came from’ and ‘why we are here’.

We are seeing this struggle now to a certain extent with the police state being put in place, young people protesting at DNC and RNC, riots in Thailand currently against the government - ther will be more of this to come. To counteract this, The NWO want their own version of this ‘collective conciousness’ in the form of RFID and a database of peoples DNA (what makes them think and tick) once they then have this in place, they can then control people on an individual level as opposed to the current, one size fits all technology that ‘may’ be in place with HARRP, cell towers, cell phones (which are not 100% tied to the individual)

According to John Lear’s interview in project camelot he tells of a CIA operativewho says to him, “if there’s anything in your life that you do to rebel abainst the government make sure it’s to Rebel against having the RFID chip”

Look who’s getting the RFID chips implanted - government workers, Police, military, politicians and you’ll see who are going to be the future slaves working of the NWO against the collective “woken up” populaion.

Watch, “they want your soul” to get an insight into this sinister technology and you’ll realise exactly what RFID really means: http://video.google.com/videop.....6347732903

The thing to remember is that for all this evil, there is an equal and opposite of force of good working against it. You still have free will to choose good or evil but above all be peaceful with yourself and others. Agression just gives them an excuse to use excessive violence even more than they are currently doing.

Jason Burmas disagreed with Ben Fulford last week about having a “New World Order” with china in charge and I agree with him - absolute power corrupts absolutely. However, what about having a New World Order where there are no leaders? If the collective conciousness allows us to utilise hyperdimensional physics then we could tap into the torsion field ‘at will’ and have a direct line, say and influence in the affairs of the world without the current level of bullshit and lies we have to put up with. Once you realise the current level of shit we have to put with and their plans for us - then this doesn’t sound too bad. You don’t have to participate but if you disagree with something then you get your say in an open forum where everyone listens and agrees/disagrees collectively - as opposed to a few elites choosing the outcome for you.
Jamo Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Read Cosmos of the soul by Patricia Cori. It explains a lot about body and mind and the NWO secret government.
brainiac10.0 Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Their problem with finding a particilar place in the brain for memory could just be cause it could be stored throughout the brain in a diffused, generalized way. Why do they think that there always has to be one small area in the brain for everything it does or else skip to the collective conciousness theory?
It is an anti whole brainite conspiracy !
Rich Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I hate to give you a piece of data that you won’t like but the truth of the matter is that your mind is created moment by moment by you and that both you and your mind exist both outside your body and also permeating your body. That includes permeating your brain. Your brain is just a neural interface for you to not only control your body but to also to get sensations from your body as you play your games here on earth. …..May your future be filled with happiness. ML RT
Rossn Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 3:33 am
This stuff has been around for a while. Back in the 40’s, eminent neuropsychologists Karl Lashley and Karl Primbram discovered that you could have rats run a maze and then remove the part of their brain responsible for storing that specific memory and no matter which part was removed, the rat would still be able to remember the route.
This was later reproduced with salamanders by the great Wilder Penfield who found that you could literally remove its brain, chop it up and generally scramble it around, replace it and although the creature would have reduced motor skills, it could still find its way through the maze.
If you’re interested in this stuff I highly recommend ‘The Holographic Universe’ by Michael Talbot.

Incidently, on a conspiratorial note, Rupert Sheldrake was stabbed (fortunately surviving) at a conference he was speaking at by a young Japanese man who later admitted he could not remember why he was there…hmmmm
jesqueal Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 6:30 am
Thanks Rossn I’ll find those studies
Rossn Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 7:11 am
Jesqueal they are all quoted in the book by Talbot. It should be on amazon
1984 Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 7:12 am
“Could it be that our memories actually dwell in a space outside our physical structure?”

Umh, Oooo-kkkkkkkkkk. what?
Gaetano Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:38 am
The confusion comes from not understanding this basic pronciple. A human is a spiritual being residing in or near their body and they store their mind (mental images, memories etc,) next to them. that is how past life recall is possible. The memories travel with the spirit to the next life. And yes, the brain stores no memories but instead operates as a switchboard or conduit between the spirit and the body.
ron heringhauser Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:04 am
This makes a good case for reincarnation.
James Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
This is also an argument that could be used to support the existance of the human spirit and life after death.I first encountered this idea of the brain being comparable to a tv or radio in a book called ”LSD AND THE SEARCH FOR GOD”. I do not recall the author of that book.At that time I was looking for a way to argue rationaly for the exsistance of the supernatural.When I came across this comparison it then occoured to me that I had found that argument.Contrary to the teaching of certain people that when the physical brain dies so does concisnous,the brain is only the receptor and decoder of reality,both physical and spiritual.While we are in a physical plane of existance the brain acts as a mediator allowing us to function in that deminsion.

Ultimatly it is erronious to say that the natural world and the supernatural are seperate.Both deminsions are intricatly linked together to form reality.The human brain is a vital part of that link.Also certain drugs and activities such as prayer act as catylysts that can more or less change the channels of the brain,either allowing us a stronger link to the spiritual deminsion or perhaps with certain drugs and behaviors weakening our ability to interact with the spiritual deminsion.
Rossn Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
James, if I were to guess I’d say that book is by Prof Stanislav Grof who has extensively studied the effects of LSD and so-called spiritual experiences.
On one occasion a boy (although Grof perceived him as a ball of light) appeared to him in one of these controlled LSD sessions and gave his name as well as his mother’s name, address and telephone number in Romania and asked if he would call her and tell her that her son was ok. After much agonising over some days Grof decided to call the number and gave the message to the stunned woman who started sobbing, explaining that her teenage son had died the week before.
Ponder that for a while….
Jeddy Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
In this context how do if anything is real? A person who is prone to vertigo will fall to the ground and see the world spinning around him.He will fall if he tries to stand. The most amazing part of this is that ears determine what’s up and what is down. So there certain functions which are not a part of the brain - the brain simply acts as processor. When we touch something, the feeling we get is in our hands, what we do not think about is that the information about what we touched went to the brain and came back and so we are made feel what it is, it is not a result of our hands. Our hands bio-mechanical constructs. Administer a powerful anaesthetic and we will not be able to feel anything at all, till the anaesthetic’s effect is worn off. As for memory it is the same thing. We remember not because the brain enables to remember, the brain acts as processor of everything we have experienced, it does not explain it simply goes through a vast database and pop comes out the answer. For instance I am very bad in remembering faces and names - I meet someone find out his name and later I don’t recall ever meeting him as soon as he leaves. Our memory is our entire body, all our emotions all our thoughts. If the brain were to store all that every second that goes by, just like a hard drive which crashes the same thing will happen to the brain. Supposing you hurt yourself, the pain will remain, the brain will continue sending back mesages that the body has been damaged. The feeling of pain is killed off with pain killers. So the contact with the brain is temporarily cut off. It is the job of the brain to inform no remember. Days later when the wound has healed and no one talks about then we brain sends a signal of some pain experience and it is our body responding to that experience putting all the facts together, some made and some true, it is the part of the body which is able to come up with the story - it has nothing to do with the brain.
A horrible example is the story of amputees who feel their lost arm or leg is still with them, it is the brain playing tricks because it has not adjusted to a missing body part which it controlled. So memory is our entire body - the brain provides the required responses nothing more than that. Our entire body stores a great deal of information - that is why no one has been able to find any clue as to where store memory.
Bob Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
The brain, as a whole prolly stores memory. Not in a computer sort of way, but in a billions of years of random evolution sort of way.
pootytang420 Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 12:45 am
It’s amazing how much we do not know about ourselves.

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