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“Explosive” Senate Torture Report Reveals What We’ve Already Known For Three And A Half Years
Torture came from the top, as we reported in October 2005 – when will the prosecutions begin?
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
A newly released Senate Armed Services Committee report is garnering much media attention today, however it only confirms what we first reported in 2005 – that high-ranking Bush officials were responsible for torture of detainees and tried to shift the blame to low-ranking army officers.
The report is “a condemnation of both the Bush administration’s interrogation policies and of senior administration officials who attempted to shift the blame for abuse — such as that seen at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and Afghanistan — to low ranking soldiers,” said Democratic Senator Carl Levin, who led the investigation.
It names former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as approving an initial December 2002 memo that was taken as an approval for torture methods in U.S. run prisons worldwide.
Procedures approved in the memo were adopted in Iraq in a memo issued almost one year later in September 2003 by the Iraq war commander, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez.
The report (PDF), which has been described by some media sources as “explosive“, reveals nothing new, however, and confirms what we’ve already known for over three and a half years.
In October 2005 former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski appeared on the Alex Jones Show to make these very revelations. We subsequently produced an article detailing her claims and also the fact that she was deliberately kept out of the loop and scapegoated to protect higher ups.
Karpinski was the only general punished in the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Her Army Reserve unit was in charge of the prison compound when Iraqi detainees were physically abused and sexually humiliated by military police and intelligence soldiers in the fall of 2003.
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Karpinski had previously admitted that rather than being an isolated incident under her command, the abuses were, “the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington.”
Spun as the actions of “a few bad apples,” the Abu Ghraib torture program was sanctioned from the very top.
Karpinski identified the masterminds of the torture policy as occupying the highest rungs of the Bush administration.
Karpinski also stated in 2005 that even though innocent detainees had been deemed of no further Intel use and were recommended to be released by their interrogators, the higher uppers read the riot act and started a pattern whereby no one was to be released and innocent people were kept locked up without trial or charges.
She went on to speak about the direct links to Bush himself:
“We can trace back now, through documents that were released through court order, back to the original document, the one that Alberto Gonzales reviewed and discussed with the President of the United States, a departure from the Geneva Convention. These are not prisoners, these are terrorists and these techniques will be more effective.” She said.
Though the newly released Senate Armed Services Committee report has taken six months to complete, it’s findings were already public knowledge and had even previously appeared in a PBS documentary.
Enough with the reports and investigations, when will the prosecutions begin?
If the Obama administration gets its way they will never take place.
Upon last week’s release of the torture memos preceding the new Senate report, Obama’s right-hand man, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, told ABC News that top Bush administration officials “should not be prosecuted either and that’s not the place that we go.”
In addition, Obama’s statement that accompanied the release of the torture memos stated, “In releasing these memos, it is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution.”
So no retribution for the people who ordered the torture, and no retribution to the people who carried it out, thus setting the precedent that future administrations are free to order torture – safe in the knowledge that they will face no consequences whatsoever.
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April 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....ntposted=1
Obama: Bush aides may be prosecuted over torture
• Decision to prosecute rests with attorney general, Obama says
• Obama lifts opposition to separate congressional inquiry
• No prosecution of CIA agents expected
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* Ewen MacAskill in Washington
* guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 21 April 2009 21.42 BST
* Article history
Senior members of the Bush administration who approved the use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation measures could face prosecution, Barack Obama said today, in a surprise about-turn by the president.
He said his attorney general, Eric Holder, was conducting an investigation and the final decision rested with him.
Obama cited four Bush administration memos he released last week detailing CIA interrogation measures, saying they “reflected, in my view, us losing our moral bearings”.
The revelation of possible prosecutions amounts to a turnaround by Obama, who had been resisting a prolonged and divisive partisan row that could distract from his heavy domestic and foreign agenda.
He also lifted his opposition to a separate congressional inquiry today.
The White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said the president would like to see the inquiry modelled on the 9/11 commission.
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So no surprises there!
Social Viability Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
“…the president would like to see the inquiry modelled on the 9/11 commission.”
LOL. That statement right there indicates just how serious this tool is about prosecuting the criminals from the Bush administration.
What could we expect. It would be unwise for the pot to prosecute the kettle for being black.
Our political systems have failed us miserably. They give us slimy lawyers like Obama and Clinton, mental retards like Bush Jr and Quayle, evil psychopaths like Cheney and Bush Sr, and actors like Reagan and Schwarzenegger.
Anyone else thing we might be doing this wrong?
Don’t fight the system:
Replace it
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April 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 am
Are the low-ranking officers culpable? Of course they are. They didn’t refuse to obey unlawful orders. As well as even lower ranking personnel because they didn’t refuse to obey unlawful orders either.
Of course, the sadistic cannibals in the upper echelons are also guilty of evilness. But still, if some crazy whackjob tells you to go do an act of evilness and you do it, who is really at fault here if the evilness gets done?
Helpful hint for those who need it: How To Say No.
With your mouth a little bit open, place your tongue behind your upper teeth. Make a sound vibration in your throat. As you continue to make a sound vibration, release your tongue from behind your upper teeth and purse your lips with them still being slightly open. Congratulations! You’re now saying the word “No”!
It’s an amazing word! Use it often whenever you need to!
blue pill society Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
of course they are culpable, that was all established during neuronberg. How can any self respecting human being torture someone even if ordered to. Just the fact that they did means they enjoyed it. Could you imagine torturing someone while they are begging for mercy, would you be able to do it? I know i wouldn’t. Only a sick person would be able to do it. It’s funny how during the last decade we have had all these horror movies about torture to decensitize people to it. Like Saw and hostile think about it. Pretty sick ass society we live in. Throw every last person who took part in that in prison and throw away the key. “We were ordered to do it” wasn’t a good enough excuse for the SS officers so why is it for the CIA?
Steve Williams Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Exactly.
That was “Nuremberg” but I did enjoy your misspelling. An interesting new word. I’ll have to use it somewhere and somehow. Or, did you misspell it? If not, it certainly applied as the berg where some neurons finally kicked into functionalness as such. Or at least on the non-nazi side. The nazis themselves remained clueless to the end as to how brainlessly evil they acted.
blue pill society Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
lol, i knew i had mispelled it, if bush is allowed to say nucular, i’m allowed to say neuronberg, LMAO, i knew i shoulda checked the spelling, maybe i was reffering to a burger made out of neurons
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:33 am
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April 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
PLEASE STOP Torture!!
it is horrible!!
nazis tortured people
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
It is nice to know that the low level drones that will be carrying out all of the plans of the Oligarchs wil be the first to go/be blamed in any dispute. Global government could not ever happen without a whole lot of low lever Quislings. Those vermin deserve it.
Steve Williams Reply:
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Those who act as cannibals forfeit their personhood. Permanently. No wiggle room.
Human, alien, whatever, whoever, for this entire universe and all other universes… Any person who acts as a cannibal has permanently lost any right to be considered a person.
A real person does NOT “kill and eat” other people. Ever. Period.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
LOL, Top officials, paying for crime… I’ll believe that when I see Israel brought up and charged / sentenced for war crimes, and crimes against humanity for what happened in the Gaza Strip.
April 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Here’s the FRONTLINE PBS Documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/.....ture/view/
AWSOME
(((3)))
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Why the – “Much a do about nothing”
Obama said it that the info are not new and has been going around for some time now. For God sake mature up and stop the gosip and rumor mongering habit.
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Actually, Watson, what you most certainly did NOT report is that the torture program originated with Alan Dershowitz (yes, he of OJ Simpson fame), and his little jewish-zionist cabal.
Some time before the US/UK torture program went live, Dershowitz was all over the mainstream media, including ‘The Times’, ‘The Guardian’ and the BBC in the UK, and every major newspaper and national TV station in the USA, pushing a well crafted propaganda campaign to make the torture of muslims standard practice in the West. The approach was always the same, namely “there’s this muslim terrorist that you have who knows the location of bombs about to explode in schools, and either you torture him, or hundreds of kiddies die”.
The BBC has broadcast this justification for torture so many times, I lost count.
The torture program was manufactured, sold, and implemented by israeli linked jews, whose power bases are found in the UK, USA, France, Canada and Germany. Dershowitz was their leader.
Of course, rape and torture are the universal methods of abuse used against non-jews in israeli concentration camps. Although Watson, and prisonplanet are carefully never to report it, every month hundreds to thousands of new victims are kidnapped by israeli butcher squads, so that they can be tortured in Israel’s concentration camps. The jews of Israel particularly target young children and women.
Dershowitz simply said to the US congress, “if torture is the favourite tool of your israeli masters, why don’t you give it a try yourselves?”. America universally deployed torture during its early years, especially against those that the jewish old testament said were ‘inferior’, namely the native americans, and slaves. Torture continued to be practised across much of the USA until the early 1970s (in the form of pain abuse use against convicted prisoners) for adults, and continues, in the form of so-called corporal punishment, in american schools today.
Torture is a black and white issue. While torture maintains a foothold anywhere, or for any group of people, it is able to make a widespread return in its worst form. America carries on beating its kids, so that the ‘torch’ of torture never quite goes out. Then, as our times have shown, that torch can be used to re-ignite the dark-beacon that is old school, medieval style full on torture.
After WW2, we had a chance to evolve to a fully enlightened state as the civilisation of the West. We chose the opposite path. All hope in our times is lost. The ‘civilised’ values of the West are now exposed for what they truly are, gross hypocrisy disguising regimes with goals vastly more depraved than those of Hitler or Stalin.
When the leader of Iran berated the West for supporting the most vile racist state ever to appear upon the earth, Israel, your ‘leaders’ all walked out in unison- and this happening just months after the jewish-israeli Holocaust of non-jews in Gaza. Were the days immediately before WW2 ever this dark?
April 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 am
Nothing new here? I disagree. The fact that this story all over mainstream media is certainly new. My brother, who watches Faux News and nothing else, called me about it this morning. The fact is a lot of people who are uninformed, or who do not frequent sites like this one, are finding out about this madness for the first time. And that’s a VERY good thing.
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:45 am
Just as the article implies it old news rehashed, everyone knows who was responsible for the policy of torture, Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld are the people responsible for this criminal act,
and to a lower degree the agents who carried it out. The chances of the higher ranking men being prosecuted are practically nil. You may see low level stooges and patsies taking the rap to make Obama look like he is opposed to this criminal act, but its nothing more then a cheap P.R. stunt. I think going after the guys at the top and working your way down would be the best way to go after these hyenas………………………………………………………………………
April 25th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
A man’s actions will reveal how his mind works, and what he has inside him.
That president, [and I use the term loosely], ordered torture. He didn’t do it
for the information he thought he could get; he did it because he simply wanted
to torture. He would have tortured innocent American citizens, which was why
he bagan to focus his attention on us. The entire would be leadership of a New
World Order is evil. Isn’t that what the bible prophecies predicted?