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FBI documents reveal new look at JFK assassination
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Sunday, Aug 10, 2008
A newly released FBI file is revealing a different look at the investigation into the assassination of President John F Kennedy.
Documents show Gerald Ford, then a congressman, secretly advised the FBI that two of his fellow members on the Warren Commission doubted JFK had been shot from the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository.
The FBI’s large file on Ford was released in part this past week in response to requests under the Freedom of Information Act made by the media on the day Ford died in 2006.
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The file offers detailed descriptions of Ford’s work as an FBI informant.
Related: AP – Ford told FBI about panel’s doubts on JFK murder
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August 10th, 2008 at 6:24 am
I think it would be beneficial to mankind if someone were to edit footage of the Kennedy assassination with superimposed, detailed graphical information on the logical inconsistencies that transpired, in chronological order.
Like a power point presentation.
For instance, they could point out how he was detoured into an area with no surveillance, then actually show a number counter, counting all of the shots that can be detected in the audio, and infered from the video, and contrast it with the “official” number of shots fired.
The whole thing could be a comparison and contrast on the two different versions of the event, but again, done with bright clear and simple graphical text and picture highlights using modern software.
If something like this has allready been produced, maybe someone could direct me to a webiste where I can download it.
Thanks.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Hey Cristar, Check out Oliver Stones film JFK. He does a pretty good job of bringing out the truth.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Money for Stone’s film was put up by a well-known Israeli arms merchant. It avoids any reference to Mossad planning and participation in the JFK hit, which was engineered in large part not only by Clay Shaw’s New Orleans CIA cell, but by Permindex’ top shareholder and Mossad agent L. Mortimer Bloomfield.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:23 am
hey Christar checkout the film jfk 2 the bush conection on prisonplanet.tv or find a torrent of it , it’s not a shot by shot with animation but it’s the best damn film i’ve seen on JFK also it contains all the data you require . enjoy
August 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am
where can i get that footage?
August 10th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Gerald Ford is also famously implicated in the physical tampering with JFK’s body, which altered the appearance of the wounds, during the transport of the body back to Washington DC from Dallas.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I have to share this, no matter how often most of you have heard it.
1) As seen in the Zapbruder film, just after the car with JFK and others passes a large sign there is a man who opens a black umbrella(which is actually a weapon that shoots a DART not a bullet into JFK’s neck) why would anyone open a black umbrella on a hot texas afternoon. This was supposed to distract everyone in the car and get them to look back so that….
2) The driver SLOWS DOWN as he turns over his right shoulder and fires one shot from a handgun into the head of JFK. As for the other shots they were aimed at the vehicles other undistracted occupants.
3) Jackie attempts to crawl OUT THE BACK, which is the opposite reaction a person who is being fired at from above would have. She is forcible kept in the car by a Secret Service agent.
4)This was done at the apex of a pyramid in the street plan of Dallas, if that isn’t blatant illuminati symbolism i don’t know what is….
5) There is a video in black and white from the other side of the street which shows Oswald standing outside the book depository AS JFK IS DRIVEN PAST.
Don’t believe it? The Naval Archivist who got this info out died under very mysterious circumstances….
August 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
So..
There was a camera behind JFK’s car filming the whole time? WTF? What a shot! (no pun intended).
Why are there hundreds of people packed in this scene, but in the Zup. film, there’s hardly anyone around?
August 10th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Go to google video and type “William Cooper JFK”. Bill Cooper PROVED that the limo driver turned and shot JFK in the head. Seeing is believing just go watch the video…there’s no doubt about it. THe sad thing is that it’s been available for about 10 years and people are still questioning who shot Kennedy…
August 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
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August 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
“Questions
August 10,2008
So..
There was a camera behind JFK’s car filming the whole time? WTF? What a shot! (no pun intended).
Why are there hundreds of people packed in this scene, but in the Zup. film, there’s hardly anyone around?”
So this happens to be the crime of the century if you ask me. How dare you belittle a crime of this magnitude. I have no idea what the rest of your comment is refering to.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
..”hey” Revolt 426,
..was watching a documentory from a Christian weekly program in the early to mid nineties.
they highlighted the limo driver (as if holding a flashlight behind the screen) and “yes” he could be seen turning around at the precise moment of fatal impact.
of course they explained this as why the limo strangely came to a near stop, and the fact that Jackie was trying to get “away” from where the shot was fired, by climbing over the back seat.
It has been no mystery to me ever since, yet of the many books/experts, few if any have covered this angle.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
None of you have ever heard a bullet “impact” near you then. THAT could easily be why the driver turns around. The impact makes a loud and distinct “salp” sound.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
@Veteran
“None of you have ever heard a bullet “impact” near you then. THAT could easily be why the driver turns around.”
OK, as a veteran (I assume) you would have been trained on what to do when under fire. So, tell us, when YOU heard a bullet impact near you, would YOU slow down turn around and make yourself an easy target, or would you seek cover or extract yourself from the danger zone, AND THEN find out where the fire came from or what the result of it was?
You do raise a good point though – high velocity gun fire results in bullets that break the sound barrier and thus create mini-sonic booms. These sonic booms do sound like a very loud sharp clap or crack, even if they don’t hit anything. This is why reports of gunfire and the direction is not very useful, especially coming from untrained civilians. There is a technique to identify the direction of fire, based purely on the sound the bullet makes as it passes and hits.
This technique is called “crack-thump” in the New Zealand army, and it simply involves drawing an imaginary line between the crack (the sonic boom of the bullet) and the thump (the impact) which will point back towards the rifle. With practice you can identify the source of gunfire with reasonable accuracy.
In any case, untrained people may misidentify the crack of the sonic boom, with the actual report of the rifle, which itself may not actually even be audible.
If the driver was a highly trained operator (ie SS, which he was) then he should NOT have reacted the way he did. That is the whole point of HAVING an SS driver – to ensure that stupid shit like slowing down in the kill zone doesn’t happen!
In fact, there was a whole string of basic SS procedures that were ignored that day, even a now infamous clip of an SS officer who should have been riding on the back of the limo, and who would have blocked the rear shot at Kennedy if he was in position, being waved off as the motorcade set out, and apparently in shock over it. Not long later, a bullet passed through that area and hit Kennedy in the back.
Evidence like this is FAR more damning than civilian reports of hearing gunfire from multiple directions. Even if there WAS only one shooter, the fact that the procedures designed to protect the president were intentionally ignored indicates that that shooter was part of a criminal conspiracy.
So why would the driver slow down and turn around? Because the first shot didn’t kill JFK, and he was almost out of the kill zone, and if the driver didn’t, Kennedy may still be alive today.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
what a fool you would have to be to believe a shot to the head
would cause a reaction against the force of a bullet fired from a high powered rifle.lets see i’m going to kill the pres. by my self
but i’m not going to take the shot while he’s directly in front of me.i want everyone to know what an incredible fucking shot i am,so i think i ‘ll wait till he’s about 50 yrds down the street
before i open fire because i really like a challenge.far more sporting you know.lonegunman? i could vomit pea soup on anyone who
believes this crap.lmao
August 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
@randy shores
In fact taking the shot from Kennedy’s front while he was driving AT you, rather than away, would have not only made the shot easier, but would have made it impossible to exit the kill zone before several more shots could be fired, especially as the limo would have to slow down right in front of you to make the corner.
So the fact the shot was taken later, indicates that there was some other factor in play than a single gunman in the book depository, and thus the kill zone had to be moved somewhere else. That factor is probably other gunmen who were placed where they wouldn’t be able to take a shot as the limo approached the depository.
It would also explain why the limo had to be slowed down in the kill zone. To be able to blame it all on one gunman, the last shot could not come when the limo was out of the possible arc of fire from the depository, which it just about was. If the limo driver had done his job, the fatal headshot would clearly have been impossible.
So the limo driver knew that if by a certain point on the road JFK wasn’t dead, then either HE would have to deliver the coup de grace and/or he would have to slow down dramatically so it could be delivered by another rifle but in a position that was still just possible to make from the depository. That is why he turns, and that is why he slows down. To confirm the kill. They could not rely on JFK dying at a later time, he HAD to be visibly dead before he left the scene.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
@Everyone
I forgot to mention that the missing SS officer may be the reason why they had to raise the location of the entry wound on JFK’s back. If the location was where the hole in the shirt indicates, and the SS officer had been on the back of the limo, the bullet would HAVE to have passed through the SS officer first. By raising the location they disguise that fact, just in case anyone claims that that officer might have saved JFK by taking the bullet himself, as he is trained to do.
So “they” can say “No, he wasn’t there, but even if he was, nothing would have changed”…
August 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
To everyone commenting or viewing this article. As i posted before the Secret Service Agent who was driving the limo shot kennedy in the head. Now i am going to post a link to the video so there is no doubt becuase people persist on arguing.
http://video.google.com/videop.....oooper+JFK
If anyone bothers to watch the evidence, you will see Ex Navy Intelligence Operative Bill Cooper (Who was murdered after 9-11) prove beyond any doubt that William Grere(Spelling?) the SS agent driving the limo turns around with a nickle plated pistol and shoots kennedy right in the head. Jackie O see’s this and immediately tries to jump out the back of the limo. There is NO DOUBT argument OVER.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Oh By the way Karmakaze is absolutely correct SS protocal was completely ignored (They were all in on it) This would never happen if they did their job.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
The first shot was fired from the front, probably on the bridge overpass. This is why Kennedy grabs his throat with both hands in the front. There is a bullet hole in the front windshield and a ricocette mark just behind JFK’s lower back. (Look closely) The second shot was fired from the rear and above. This bullet goes through JFK’s shoulder and hits Connelly and then bounces around. The third shot comes from the right side and slightly in front of the car. There were 3 shooters. Only a few higher ups were in on the shooting. LBJ, big oil(Merkison),Clarke,(he ran Austin), Hoover was in on it, and the top of Secret Service.(Notice top secret service man riding with LBJ in car behind Kennedy wave off the presidents secret service men jogging along side of his car. They put up their hands in disbelief wondering what the fuck are you doing. This was just as they turned down Elm St. THAT PIECE OF FOOTAGE IS CRITICAL. Why would top secret service honcho call off his men from jogging along side of the presidents car? That’s like Adam Venatari kicking the winning field goal with 3 seconds left in the Super Bowl and the NFL commisioner waving to all the official to come off the field just before the snap. It makes NO SENSE! It only makes sense for those who wanted Kennedy dead. Removing the presidents jogging secret service men let the shooters have a nice clean shot.
To understand what happened to John F. Kennedy don’t listen to all the common phrases like “mafia, Harvey Oswald, single bullet”, and all the other garbage put out by the Warren Commision.
Just take one snippet of hard evidence like what I’ve written above and ask yourself “why”. Why was this done. This evidence is on tape, I’ve seen it. Look for it, it’s out there. You’ll be amazed.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
There is one other curious thing about the bullet fired from the driver that day. That the components packed into the special loads, had something like oyster shells, packed into them? Something weird like that to cause instant splintering, and well,…the HUGE exit wound, out the rear of his head.
And for those who will still cling to the belief that Lee Harvey Oswald committed this Presidential assassination, well, I’ve got a couple of twin towers I’d like to sell ya…
August 10th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
@Revolt426
“As i posted before the Secret Service Agent who was driving the limo shot kennedy in the head.”
Actually, I don’t believe that, and let me explain why. If the limo driver HAD fired the fatal shot, I have no doubt at all that Jackie Kennedy WOULD have spilled the beans sooner or later, and at least the killers would have to expect that might happen.
So, here is the sequence of events as I see them in the footage I have seen (including the Cooper footage).
Kennedy is shot in the back and reacts to it.
Greer (the driver) turns to look and see the result, and sees that Kennedy is not dead, he turns back to the front and sees that they are almost out of the kill zone (based on visual markers they have pre-planned) and begins to brake, slowing the limo rapidly.
He turns back to watch Kennedy as the limo comes to an almost complete stand still – during this time another SS agent runs to the limo and manages to jump on just as the fatal shot is fired.
Greer sees Kennedy’s head explode, and knowing that the president is now dead, accelerates rapidly again to try and disguise his actions prior to the final shot. It was only because of the various civilians filming that this slow down is even detected.
It seems highly illogical that the kill shot would be taken by someone likely to be seen in film footage, and especially by Mrs Kennedy. That is just TOO much exposure. But slowing down in the kill zone, well that can be explained as an “error”…
It is possible though that a “last resort” was for the driver to deliver the coup de grace, but I doubt that would have been anything other than plan C, not least because a pistol bullet looks nothing like a rifle bullet, and the damage would be unlikely to be mistaken for a high velocity rifle round by medical professionals. Unless everyone was in on the PLAN as well as the cover up, this is just too much of a risk to take.
So all things considered, and with a little logic, it seems far more likely that the driver’s actions were more about staying in the kill zone until the president was visibly dead, than actually committing the final act himself.
If Greer had looked back, seen that the president was shot, then looked forward and accelerated as hard as possible out of the kill zone as a trained operator would do, the last shot would have been all but impossible, and Kennedy would likely have survived the assassination attempt.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
For those of you who truly understand the alternate reality scenario, the other reason JFK had to be eliminated was because he was about to reveal the CIA’s dirty little secret regarding the Roswell crash, of 1947, and the subsequent creation of the CIA. Not to mention all of the numerous three-letter designated operations within the confines of the system. He was about to tell the general public the truth. That little matter does now serve the interests of the ruling class.
His brother’s death was also another conspiracy waiting to happen, since he had been implicated also in the tryst/affair with Marylin Monroe. She had been talking too much, after her “affairs.”
If you know too much, and you can’t shut up, you are probably going to die.
That is just the way the elite have proven to operate.
Thank you Alex Jones, for pointing out many of them.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
@Everyone
Look at it from the killers’ point of view.
They have decided to kill the president, and have chosen a patsy to take the fall who works at the book depository. Thus, the killing shot has to come from the depository, if possible, or at least appear to have come from there if all else fails. This is what sets the parameters for the kill zone – it has to be possible from the depository, but it also has to have clear lines of fire for hidden backup gunmen that are unlikely to be caught on film, and that have an accessible escape route.
So you have one shooter in the depository, with a weapon that is chosen to be the “killer’s weapon” because the patsy owns a similar one (or the patsy’s actual rifle may have been taken, which further complicates matters).
This shooter is meant to kill Kennedy, but the rifle itself is poor, the shot difficult, and they won’t get a second chance if Kennedy doesn’t die on that day at that location.
So they place backup riflemen in other locations as well. They are NOT meant to fire at all, but are simply there if the depository shooter is unable to make the kill shot.
That means they also need the driver to be in on it. His job is to coordinate the shoot. First, he cruises into the kill zone and waits for the depository shooter to take his shot. That shooter does indeed take a couple of shots, one misses and hits Connelly, the other misses too low and hits Kennedy in the upper back. Others may have done some of the other damage alledged to have been caused by bullets.
As a pre-selected marker is reached, the driver looks back and checks Kennedy to make sure he is dead. He isn’t, so he looks forward again and seeing that they are about to leave the kill zone slows down dramatically. This is the signal for the other shooter or shooters to take a shot, with much more accurate rifles and from far better positions.
The driver turns and waits for THAT shot, and once it has done it’s work, then returns to protocol, accelerating hard to get out of the kill zone.
That sequence of events matches the physical and visual evidence AND limits the exposure of the killers. If the depository shooter had managed to get the kill shot, no other shots would have been fired, the vehicle would not have slowed down, and we may never have realised that it was anything other than a lone gunman.
I am assuming that the throat wound was in fact NOT a bullet wound, but was later used to explain the “magic bullet” AND to reposition the location of the back wound as I explained before.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
REASONS WHY JFK HAD TO BE KILLED:
1. He just signed a document which would have removed most troops out of Vietnam by Christmas. This is bad for Texas business.(LBJ tore the document up the first day in office.)
2. He was about to lower the “oil depletion allowance” which would have lost “Big Texas Oil” lots of money.
3. Kennedy was about to “pull the teeth” so to speak from the CIA. He said the CIA wasn’t going to pull another Bay of Pigs OP on their own. The power of the CIA (if Kennedy had his way) would be cut to practically ZERO.
4. Linden B. Johnson was quietly being investigated for corruption. He had several shady deals going on with his Military Industrial Complex buddies. He was going to be prosecuted shortly. His only way out was Elm St.
Back in the 60’s they actually contemplated charging Vice Presidents with a crime. Just think of how far the corruption has increased. Could anyone imagine Dick Cheney being prosecuted for inside no bid contracts for Haliburton and friends!
You all have me so curious about the driver with a pistol I’m actually going to put in the Zagruder film now and watch it. But I think you all are way off on “the driver did it”. I’ll take a look and write back.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
karmakaze,
except if you watch closely, the driver turns back “precisely” at the moment of fatal impact.
as far as Jackie coming forth, she still had children, and I suppose some wisedom. Who Knows what she did or did’nt say.
and just maybe, her son, just before the “accident” (planecrash), was about to.
I honestly don’t know. I have found it rather strange that this does seem to have been passed over, especially if so obvious. So, who knows. But, the fact remains that just “as” the fatal shot occurs, the driver, in the film, does a quick turn around to the rear.
not to be dogmatic, it’s that I’ve seldom heard the “driver” theory. So when someone mentioned it here, well, I was surprised, as the documentary I watched several years ago (even “before” coopers), I’ve just heard very little of “that” theory since.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
@dirtusbagious
“except if you watch closely, the driver turns back “precisely” at the moment of fatal impact.”
That would support my view more than the driver fired the fatal shot view, but I disagree. The driver clearly turns back BEFORE the fatal shot, watches for a moment and then, AFTER seeing JFK’s head explode, turns back to the front and speeds away.
“as far as Jackie coming forth, she still had children, and I suppose some wisedom. Who Knows what she did or did’nt say.”
But why take the risk at all? My explanation can be just as sure of delivering a fatal headshot, maybe even more so than a hurried unaimed shot from the driver, AND minimises the potential for exposure.
“I honestly don’t know. I have found it rather strange that this does seem to have been passed over, especially if so obvious. So, who knows. But, the fact remains that just “as” the fatal shot occurs, the driver, in the film, does a quick turn around to the rear.”
As I said he turns twice – once well before the fatal shot, then once JUST before the fatal shot.
See this clip to see what I mean:
http://img230.imageshack.us/im.....ingvf2.gif
He turns back, then turns forward, then snaps his head back again and waits. Once Kennedy is killed he turns back to the front, hunches over and accelerates hard.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
@ Karmakaze
It was the driver, no question about it.
Jackie didn’t spill the beans due to her kids lives being in jeopardy, but she married Onasis, who got her out of the country and gave her protection. Jr. wasn’t killed until after she died.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
George Bush senior was the man in the grassy knoll that fired the first shot, then Greer the driver finished him off. This is a fact.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
OMG….that is so sad to see someone like Revolt426 somewhere on these threads, I really hope he is not that ignorant… the driver!!!! this was a theory of the late 60’s…untill completely disproven by, oh, what do they call it?….oh yea….reality!!!….
JFK was killed by a prof. hit team….a three way crossfire that involved D. Ferrie, Shaw, Bannister, E.H. Hunt (admitted)…and a multiple number of others….
blech…..Revolt…blech
August 10th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
How can you disprove a video of the driver turning around with a visible gun and then kennedy’s head being blown off.. sorry you’re completely nuts
August 10th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
@Smart1..
“It was the driver, no question about it.”
No it wasn’t.
LOL at least try to explain why you think it was. I showed my reasoning, and nothing I have seen or heard makes me think the driver actually fired the shot.
“Jackie didn’t spill the beans due to her kids lives being in jeopardy”
Oh bollocks! If Jackie went to the media and said I saw Greer shoot John, and the conspirators did anything but run like fuck, they would have been lynched in the street. If they then killed or harmed the children as well, then the blood wouldn’t have stopped running until every one of the ruling elites had been gutted and put on display.
Look at how much emotion is STILL attached to his death! In fact the conspirators probably would never have been safe anywhere in the world, because the whole WORLD mourned JFK, not just Americans.
They had to make it quick, clean and walk away from it. Anything at all that could have pointed the finger at them would have been avoided like the plague.
“but she married Onasis, who got her out of the country and gave her protection.”
So, why didn’t she talk THEN? Sorry I just don’t buy that neither her or any of the Kennedy’s would have kept quiet about it all these years.
It is far more easy to believe the driver simply made the final shot easier, than that he took it himself.
By the way, Jackie DID complain about Greer’s actions that day, seemingly blaming him for Kennedy’s death due to him slowing down, and the SS later said they had retrained their officers to make sure they acted the way they were always supposed to act – get out of the kill zone as soon as possible.
So, she DID “spill the beans”, we just haven’t listened yet.
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@Mike Knows
“George Bush senior was the man in the grassy knoll that fired the first shot, then Greer the driver finished him off. This is a fact.”
No it’s not. Bush getting his hands dirty? Bollocks. The guy was a pilot, not a soldier or anything like that. They would have had trained and highly experienced operators to do the deed, not some rank amateurs!
Bush and his crowd were BEHIND the assassination, they didn’t actually COMMIT it – professionals did.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
its true revolt….its kind of like the people that say the towers were brought down by direct energy weapons from space………it makes me laugh to read that, i cant believe that disinfo is still going around………
August 10th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Btw American Idol must have completely ignored the video evidence i posted….
August 10th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
@Revolt426
“How can you disprove a video of the driver turning around with a visible gun and then kennedy’s head being blown off.. sorry you’re completely nuts”
First of all, that video shows no such thing. The quality of it is so poor that you can barely make our PEOPLE let alone a pistol. Secondly, no .45 automatic can cause the wounds seen. If you look around on the net, you can find a video of a politician who stuck a long barreled .45 in his mouth and fired straight up through he brain and HIS head never came apart.
Pistol bullets just do not have enough energy, even at point blank range to do that sort of damage. And if you try to pull the old “exploding bullet” crap, I will simply tell you to stop watching James Bond movies and point out that if such a small calibre weapon can have exploding bullets, every army in the world would be armed with them.
I just had another look at the Cooper video, and HE attempts to explain this discrepancy by saying that the wound was “created on the print”!
Bollocks. Why would they bother to do that? The video itself was the only evidence that the head shot was anomalous, so if they were worried about that, why not just disappear the footage?
Hell, they even claim in that video that there WAS a gunman on the grassy knoll, which would be pointless if the kill shot was meant to come from the driver! Why take the risk of discovery? Why not one rifleman in the depository and the driver to deliver the coup de grace? NO security issues that way, except for having the driver obviously be the killer, that is!
I don’t buy it at all.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
@Revolt426 Addendum
By the way, that “nickel plated .45 automatic” you think you see? It’s the sun shining on Kellerman’s Brylcreemed hair, as can be seen in better quality copies easily, and is even seen in this version at other points when the driver is not “pointing a pistol” at Kennedy.
Oh, and one other thing – if they took the time to make a huge head wound in the Zapruder and other footage to cover up the fact he was shot with a pistol bullet, why not remove the gun from that same footage?
The contradictions are just TOO ridiculous!
August 10th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
First off the video CLEARLY shows the driver turn around with a silver barreled object, then kennedy’s head is violently hit by a projectile.
Now Bill Cooper who was Ex Navi Intel for years and had inside info suggests the gun was a special CIA designed assination gun that was later revlealed in the Congressional CIA Oversight hearings *Barry Goldwater holding gun* remember?!?
He states the projectile was a special bullet filled with shellfish toxins so there is defintely a possibility that it would cause massive trauma to the head. it was NOT a .45
August 10th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
You are correct that the Driver Shooting Kennedy was PLANB they missed his head with the first shot it’s very obvious… why would jackie try to climb out of the car . she obviously saw the driver and the other SS agent’s actions and feared for her life.
and why wouldn’t she talk? lol come on.. “shut up or we’ll kill your whole family” does that sound reasonable? >_>
August 10th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
1 More post ..the “The gun barrel is his hair in the sun” Theory was disproved by cooper citing the “barrel was at leats 2 inches past the drivers head” done posting lata peeps
August 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
JFK was the last maybe the only, great statesman to hold the Presidency.
Blockbuster Videos: Evidence of Revision 1-5, compiled from thousands of television news tapes, detailing neglected or ignored evidence on matters including the deaths of John and Robert Kennedy, respectively President of The United States, and United States Senator.
Including evidence from the Los Angeles coroner that the shots that killed Robert Kennedy, were fired from a distance of between one and three inches into his head from behind and below his right ear, Sirhan Sirhan who was convicted for the killing was several feet to his front, the film has footage of the LA DA simply brushing that aside.
President Kennedy was about to reduce the Vietnam commitment when he was murdered, his body was hardly cold when Johnson who succeeded him as President announced he was sending more troops.
Evidence of Revision 1-5 dumps a bucket on Johnson, it says he was up to his ears in it, there is taped testimony from a Deputy Sheriff in Dallas, who was one of the first into the Texas School Book Depository after John Kennedy was shot, he witnessed the recovery of a rifle identified as a 7.65mm German Mauser.
The news of President Kennedy’s death arrived here early Saturday, by noon on Sunday the weapon first stated to be a German Mauser had become a 6.65mm Italian Mannlicher Carcano, and by Monday morning school scuttlebutt was adamant that his driver had shot him, the first item on the school’s agenda that morning was that no discussion of the crime would be allowed during class.
As the Presidential limo emerged from behind the freeway sign, the driver William Greer, turned and looked over his right shoulder, he turned back and while holding the steering wheel with his left hand, retrieved something from under the dash with his right hand, he then transferred the object in his right hand to his left hand, then turned his head back around to look at the President, and brought his left hand around his body, and aimed and fired what appeared to be a nickel plated .44 Cal revolver at the President’s head.
For the fact there was no debris field down range from JFK’s head in line with Greer’s supposed shot, and that both Governor and Mrs Conolly, who were in the car with the Kennedy’s testified they heard no gunshot, tends to exonerate Greer, some have said that the nickel plated revolver was sunlight reflected onto the hair of Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman seated beside Greer, and direct inquirer’s attention to a piece of the Zapruder film that shows him with both hands on the wheel.
Certainly his body language indicates that he fired on the President, and for the fact that sunlight could have provided an illusion does not explain why he turned around twice, nor does it tell us what it was that he recovered from under the dash. As many experts that have declared the Zapruder film to be authentic, are matched by as many more who say there are gaps, and that some frames are missing or have been cut and spliced back together out of sequence, or both.
So Greer is not in the clear by any means, the Secret Service team leader recalled the two men who would normally have been standing on back of the vehicle as it entered Dealey Plaza, and allowed a wide gap to develop between the Presidential limo and the next car in the motorcade, see the grinning SS man in that vehicle on press photo’s taken immediately after the shots were fired.
E Howard Hunt is now positively identified by his son St John Hunt as one of the three tramps taken into custody at the site, a Mr Harrelson as another, the last had an identical profile to a former US Navy enlisted man who murdered both his parents, advanced photo shopping techniques identify him on the still camera shot taken by a lady opposite the Grassy Knoll, as firing a short version of an AR 15, the weapon’s raised foresight silhouetted in the muzzle flash making it immediately recognizable, his shot appeared to strike the President at virtually the same instant as Greer’s.
Arlen Specter US Senator from Pennsylvania signed the Warren Report, the official inquiry into JFK’s death that said Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone shot the President. Specter should be hauled before a court of capital jurisdiction and be required to explain why he neglected the photo that shows Lee Oswald at the door of the Texas School Book Depository, the building from where he is alleged to have fired, as the shots rang out.
Another little known fact is that Richard Nixon who succeeded Johnson as President, had been in Dallas on the morning of the shooting he had flown out prior, maybe there was collusion from him as well.
“…It’s doubtful whether any of Sirhan Sirhan’s shots actually hit Kennedy.”
Classic double speak… how can it be “doubtful,” if Sirhan was several feet to his front, and the bullets were fired into his head from between one and three inches below and behind his right ear, it’s not doubtful at all.
What are you doing coming up with crap like that, paid spammers infest cyberspace and post trash, you would appear to be well and truly in that class, their only common bond is the trash they post is all friendly to Israel, is Specter an Israeli.
“…If Greer turned around and shot him from the front seat, why was the motorcycle cop to the left of the limo splattered with blood and brain matter.”
The debris that reached the motorcycle cop was fallout from the rifle shot fired from the Grassy Knoll.
To make the facts fit the hypothesis, we can conclude that an air pistol fired at close range will kill, but might lack the kinetic energy to cause an exit wound, particularly if it fires poison dart or a pellet of ice. Connolly who had already been hit, and his wife who was rendering aid to her husband were both facing away from Greer, and could easily remain unaware of an air pistol discharge despite their closeness.
“…The third “Tramp” is supposedly Frank Sturgis.”
E Howard Hunt has been positively identified by his son as the hatted tramp, Harrelson appears to be another, while the third is a small bird like man wearing dancing pumps, Frank Sturgis was a stocky solidly built man, the photo’s on various websites of both the third tramp and the ex Navy man who killed his parents, reveal both have identical profiles… It is not easy to find two men that have, and for that reason I support the theory that it was him.
“..If you knew anything about anything …stop thinking you know something ….because you see some dumb assed, faked video clip …mental patients …your own goofy websites …stupid …you’re spooky ….you kooks …you morons.”
Mind your language with me Mister.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
@Revolt426
“First off the video CLEARLY shows the driver turn around with a silver barreled object, then kennedy’s head is violently hit by a projectile.”
No, the video clearly shows the driver turn around, and something shiny on Kellerman’s head. It’s his hair.
“Now Bill Cooper who was Ex Navi Intel for years and had inside info suggests the gun was a special CIA designed assination gun that was later revlealed in the Congressional CIA Oversight hearings *Barry Goldwater holding gun* remember?!?”
Oh yeah, the magic gun theory… give me a break.
“He states the projectile was a special bullet filled with shellfish toxins so there is defintely a possibility that it would cause massive trauma to the head. it was NOT a .45″
Shellfish toxins explode violently? I thought they were actually nerve agents? Oh well, what ever you want to believe. And Cooper says it WAS a “nickel plated .45 automatic”.
I have to stand corrected on the exploding bullet thing though – it turns out such bullets have been made. James
S. Brady was shot in the head with one. Of course, they don’t make a big BOOM, they simply cause the bullet to fragment, and were designed to be used by air marshals.
So although there have been “exploding bullets” they would actually be LESS likely to cause the wound seen, as they are designed to fragment the bullet and dump all the energy inside the target, not explode out the other side. Brady can tell you they didn’t make HIS head explode.
“You are correct that the Driver Shooting Kennedy was PLANB they missed his head with the first shot it’s very obvious…”
No, I said it would have been Plan C at best. Plan B was the grassy knoll shooter putting a high velocity rifle bullet through Kennedy’s head at short range.
“why would jackie try to climb out of the car”
Maybe because her husbands head exploded about three inches from her face? Could that maybe make her freak out? By the way, if Jackie saw what was going on, how did she do it? She was looking at Kennedy, not the driver, and she never even turned around after the shot but jumped straight up onto the boot. She never saw Greer turn, let alone fire a shot.
“and why wouldn’t she talk? lol come on.. “shut up or we’ll kill your whole family” does that sound reasonable? >_>”
Nope. She had millions of dollars to call on, and millions upon millions of people. She could easily have fled to a friendly place, surrounded herself and her family with guards and told the world. She didn’t. Not once in what, four decades? Give me a break.
“1 More post ..the “The gun barrel is his hair in the sun” Theory was disproved by cooper citing the “barrel was at least 2 inches past the drivers head””
Utter bullshit! The video quality is of such poor resolution and so full of bloom, that you can’t even make out facial features, let alone a small two inch section of gun barrel.
Take a look at this gif:
http://img230.imageshack.us/im.....ingvf2.gif
It is much better quality and stabilised. You can clearly see the white shine is Kellerman’s hair!
August 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Is it not strange that Marilyn Monroe died around the same time as Kennedy was assassinated? It is rumoured she had an affair with both JFK and RFK and she had free access to the White House. She was also the wife of the self-exiled American playwright. During the Senator Mcarthy’s time Miller was suspected of being a communist. He probably was so was living Austria was given full protection by the KGB. Arthur Miller could have been Marilyn Monroe’s handler. She bugged the White House and the Soviet Union was receiving all kinds of ’secret’ information. Marilyn Monroe was found out and she was killed because lot of vital information had been passed on to the Soviet Union. Because of Marilyn Monroe – JFK was assassinated and later his brother. If RFK become president he would be a USA’s national security risk.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:47 am
@Web pirate buccanier
“JFK was the last maybe the only, great statesman to hold the Presidency.”
Imagine G.W. Bush doing this:
“Kennedy had used his family influence to get into the war quickly.”
But, I suspect a whole lot of where Kennedy was coming from had more to do with this:
“It took four hours for the survivors to reach their destination, 3.5 miles (6 kilometers) away, braving the danger of sharks and crocodiles. Kennedy had swum at Harvard University, so, using a life jacket strap he clenched in his mouth, he towed the badly-burned McMahon. The island was only a hundred yards in diameter, with no food or water. The crew had to hide from passing Japanese barge traffic. Kennedy swam about 4 kilometers more, to Nauru and Olasana islands in search of help and food. He then led his men to Olasana Island, which had coconut trees and water.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....9#Survival
My guess is anyone who has had such a struggle to survive AND save his crew (unlike Bush Senior) might have a far greater appreciation for the value of life, and the nature of war, and might therefore become much less inclined to send people to kill and die for worthless (relatively speaking) causes.
“As the Presidential limo emerged from behind the freeway sign, the driver William Greer, turned and looked over his right shoulder, he turned back and while holding the steering wheel with his left hand, retrieved something from under the dash with his right hand, he then transferred the object in his right hand to his left hand, then turned his head back around to look at the President, and brought his left hand around his body, and aimed and fired what appeared to be a nickel plated .44 Cal revolver at the President’s head.”
Oh bollocks! The various films are nowhere near detailed enough to identify a gun, let alone the type! As for “under the dash”, what the hell was the point of that? He was an SS officer, and would have been armed. No need for hiding places, he could openly carry a weapon!
“For the fact there was no debris field down range from JFK’s head in line with Greer’s supposed shot, and that both Governor and Mrs Conolly, who were in the car with the Kennedy’s testified they heard no gunshot, tends to exonerate Greer,”
No shit, Sherlock!
“some have said that the nickel plated revolver was sunlight reflected onto the hair of Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman seated beside Greer”
No, not “some have said” it is plain as day in the footage! Aside from that fact, for that shine to be a weapon, Greer would have had to be holding the gun up at about head height between him and Kellerman, right out in the open for everyone to see. Pull the other one!
“Certainly his body language indicates that he fired on the President,”
No it doesn’t, it indicates he turned and watched the president die. The REASON he did that is in contention, but there is nothing in the footage to show he fired or even HELD a weapon. There is a stupid video from a loon that claims that crappy very low quality copies of the Zapruder film show a shine near the top of Kellerman’s head, that he interprets as a “nickel plated .45 automatic”, and every SANE person interprets as sunshine on Kellerman’s hair.
“and for the fact that sunlight could have provided an illusion does not explain why he turned around twice,”
The coincidence theory is that he turned around because he was in shock and didn’t know what he was doing. The only sane conspiracy theory is that he turned so that he could see if Kennedy was dead, then checked his position on the road, slowed, and then turned to watch to make sure Kennedy died before speeding off.
To take the chance that someone would get good footage of an SS officer shooting Kennedy at point blank range, or that one of the occupants of the vehicle would reveal that, or that one of the many medical professionals who saw the body might notice the wound was from a low velocity pistol bullet… It just wouldn’t happen when there is a far easier, far less likely to be exposed, and far more likely to succeed method – just slow the car down and let a sniper with a high powered rifle blow his brains out.
Everything we see in the video fits that scenario perfectly, without resorting to James Bond secret weapons or huge numbers of people having to be kept silent etc.
“nor does it tell us what it was that he recovered from under the dash”
Yes it does, it tells us he did not recover ANYTHING from under the dash! In fact, he never even reached for the dash!
“advanced photo shopping techniques identify him”
And with photoshop, I can create a picture of bigfoot in ANY bush, and it is not “advanced” at all! No sniper would use a shortened AR-15! Not least because of the ejected casing! He would use a good old hunting-type bolt action sniper rifle – accurate and no ejected case to have to scrabble around and find.
“the weapon’s raised foresight silhouetted in the muzzle flash making it immediately recognizable,”
The muzzle of all AR-15 type weapons is IN FRONT of the foresight, and in fact the same can be said of ANY weapon. How could the sight be silhouetted by the muzzle flash? In fact it would be obscured by it.. if in fact modern weapons actually HAD massive Hollywood muzzle flashes! Even at night, modern weapons, especially military ones rarely make much more than a few sparks. You’d be dead in seconds if your rifle blinded you every time you fired! And don’t even TALK about smoke from smokeless gunpowder! It would take a whole magazine or more to make a noticeable smoke cloud.
“his shot appeared to strike the President at virtually the same instant as Greer’s.”
Why bother then? If the driver is going to shoot, why bother having a rifleman hidden in the bushes? And if a rifleman is going to shoot, why bother having the driver shoot too? The risks involved of doubling your exposure is far more of a factor than raising the chance of a kill slightly.
“To make the facts fit the hypothesis, we can conclude that an air pistol fired at close range will kill, but might lack the kinetic energy to cause an exit wound, particularly if it fires poison dart or a pellet of ice. Connolly who had already been hit, and his wife who was rendering aid to her husband were both facing away from Greer, and could easily remain unaware of an air pistol discharge despite their closeness.”
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me! Now it’s an AIR PISTOL? If you are also going to shoot him in the head with a high velocity rifle bullet, why the fuck put a dent in his nose with an air pistol? Jesus, that’s one of the most retarded things I’ve read on this thread!
“Mind your language with me Mister.”
Don’t act like a retard and people won’t call you one
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@Jeddy Khan
“Is it not strange that Marilyn Monroe died around the same time as Kennedy was assassinated?”
Nope, not at all. She was a drug addict, and drug addicts often overdose. Unless you are seriously trying to tell me Kennedy or someone else would reveal important secrets to a ditsy blonde actress? Maybe Heath Ledger knew too much about the coming war with Iran, and that’s why he had to die? Or maybe druggies often kill themselves accidentally? You decide!
“During the Senator Mcarthy’s time Miller was suspected of being a communist. He probably was so was living Austria was given full protection by the KGB.”
OK, this is so ignorant it can only be described as retarded. Firstly Austria gained full independence in 1955 after being governed by the allies following WW2. Miller never lived in Austria, and on top of that the Soviets banned his books in 1969! So why in hell’s name would the KGB protect him, and even more importantly, why in hells name would you say something like that without even checking the basic truth of it?
“Arthur Miller could have been Marilyn Monroe’s handler. She bugged the White House and the Soviet Union was receiving all kinds of ’secret’ information.”
Oh bullshit.
“Marilyn Monroe was found out and she was killed because lot of vital information had been passed on to the Soviet Union. Because of Marilyn Monroe – JFK was assassinated and later his brother. If RFK become president he would be a USA’s national security risk.”
Retard. Monroe was a reasonably attractive drug addicted actress, and that is all.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:56 am
jfk may have been one of the last presidents with even the thought of freedom of independent action.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:56 am
why is the film all cut up and edited?
is there any doubt know that the fbi is actively covering this crime up still, as well as the 911 inside job evidence?
isn’t it clear that these men and women have no excuse whatsoever for supporting and engaging in terrorism?
why should you be afraid of any of these men and women who claim authority, especially when it is your duty of care to hold them liable for terrorist acts against you or your country/.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Jeddy Khan:
Monroe was an airhead whose acting ability consisted mostly of moans and sighs. A talking centerfold; but please remind her not to talk too much! MK ULTRA has been turning out brainwashed bimbos like her since the late 1940s. Peter Lawford pimped Monroe to JFK.
“Robert Kennedy made a telephone call from St Charles Hotel, San Francisco, to Peter Lawford to find out if Marilyn was dead yet.”
Lawford called and spoke to Monroe “then checked again later to make sure she did not answer.”
http://www.smh.com.au/articles.....44304.html
http://www.revver.com/video/17.....ol-victim/
August 17th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Yes the assassination of president Kennedy was the result of a conspiracy.
The main motives were:
1. Kennedy wanted to pull out of Viet Nam
2. him and his brother wanted to throw Lyin’ Lyndon Johnson in jail(notice they both ended up dead)
In fact if Kennedy hadn’t been assassinated there never would have been a Viet Nam war.
For the 40th anniversary of the assassination the History Channel came out with the ‘Final Chapter’ episodes of their epic dvd series ‘The Men Who Killed Kennedy’. Those episodes name names about who the conspirators were and one of them was Johnson.
However within about the 3 days the Johnson family and some other hypocrites had these dvds pulled off the market.
I have them however and can make copies. I don’t charge money for them.
Jeff Marzano (rjmarzano@aol.com)
March 13th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
To my mind it seems that Kennedy was assassinated. The chances of Oswald being the only assassin seems remote. It takes balls to shoot a President. And surrounded by trained security, not to mention police, you would have to be prepared to die doing it. Was Oswald that driven? There is no indication of that. A driven man would have concealed a Colt .45 and ran up to the car and shot JFK at short range, this was perfectly feasible, see the number of people only yards from the car, nobody reacting to them, no barriers, no security to hold them back.
The rifle was the worst possible gun to use for the job and no sane gunman would have contemplated using it when the were so many far better guns available. I would have used the standard-issue WWII BAR automatic over open sights, it was a short-range shot and several rounds rapid would be a far more reliable way of ensuring a kill-shot.
The infamous Brit SAS fire several hundred rounds a week to keep their eye in, and several THOUSAND when they know a job might be on the go. It takes that to shoot straight. Oswald, even for a marine, was a mediocre shot. There is no evidence he did any target practice before the job.
Who decided to take the dangerous route past the book depository, why, and why haven’t they had to answer for it? It seems that nobody has been held to account for not following the planned route, the security was obviously not planned to cover the new situation.
For, if JFK’s entourage had driven past on the original route, the main road to the underpass, there was no possibility for even a marksman with a good rifle to guarantee a hit, let alone a kill, and surely not even Oswald could have been so stupid as to think he could hit THE CAR let alone JFK, with his el-cheapo Italian popgun. So the man behind the gun(s) KNEW the procession would turn in and drive past the book depository… and the kill-box.
A planned assassination by a group of men is the only conclusion.
The only problem left is to deduce WHO, and WHY.
WHO would gain from JFK’s death.
WHAT would they gain from this.
WHAT was worth the risk.
HOW could they be sure they would get away with it.
For they HAD to be fairly sure of this, no semi-sane person would attempt such a risky undertaking otherwise.
There is no better way to guarantee getting away with such a public assassination than knowing the very authority charged with the security and subsequent investigation is on your side and throwing smoke-grenades in all directions to cover your – and their – little asses.
Or am I being a trifle catty?