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Fire Consumes WTC 7-Size Skyscraper, Building Does Not Collapse
Giant flames engulf every floor of 34-story building and it remains standing, yet limited fires across just 8 floors of WTC 7 brought down building within 7 seconds on 9/11. How can NIST’s “new phenomenon” explain this one?
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, February 9, 2009
A fierce fire consumed all 34 floors of a skyscraper in Beijing today, shooting 30 foot flames into the air, but unlike the similarly-sized 47-story WTC 7, which suffered limited fires across just eight floors, the building in China did not collapse.
“The fire was burning from the ground floor to the top floor of the large building, the flames reflecting in the glass facade of the main CCTV tower next to the hotel and cultural center,” reports the New York Times.
“The 241-room Mandarin Oriental hotel in the building was due to open this year. Flames were spotted around 7:45 p.m. and within 20 minutes the fire had spread throughout the building, dominating that part of the city.”
“Hundreds of firefighting vehicles and police blocked off all approaches to the building – which was also set to house a luxury hotel due to be opened in 2009 – with flames appearing to leap 20 to 30 feet into the air,” adds The London Times.
Compare images of WTC 7 with those of the skyscraper fire in Beijing. Note that the Beijing skyscraper appears to be leaning due to the unorthodox design of the building – it did not suffer any kind of collapse.
Beijing skyscraper.
WTC 7
Beijing skyscraper.
WTC 7
Beijing skyscraper.
WTC 7
To any sane and rational observer, which of these buildings would have been the most likely to collapse? And yet it was WTC 7 which collapsed within 7 seconds into its own footprint on 9/11. The Beijing skyscraper, though gutted by fire damage, remains standing.
How do the debunkers explain away this one? How come NIST’s newly invented “phenomenon” of “thermal expansion” didn’t put paid to the skyscraper in Beijing? Does fire have different properties in China compared to the U.S.? Does it behave in different ways depending on what country it’s in?
Remember that WTC 7 was structurally reinforced and suffered limited fires across just 8 floors.
The core of NIST’s explanation, that an “extraordinary event” called “thermal expansion” was to blame for the sudden total collapse of WTC 7 is of course on the face of it a fraud when one considers the innumerable number of buildings that have suffered roaring fires across the majority of their floors and remained standing, whereas WTC 7 suffered limited fire damage across a handful of floors.
The Beijing skyscraper fire provides yet more comparable evidence to illustrate the monolithic hoax that fire damage alone can cause buildings to collapse implosion style, adding more weight to the argument that both WTC 7 and the twin towers were destroyed by explosives that were seen and heard by dozens of eyewitnesses who were at ground zero.
Take another example – the Windsor building in Madrid, a 32 story skyscraper which was a raging inferno for no less than 24 hours before fire crews were able to put out the flames. Despite the building being constructed of columns a fraction as thick as those used in the WTC twin towers, as well as a total lack of fireproofing, the building’s top section only partially collapsed while the integrity of the whole structure remained firmly intact.
Compare these images of the Windsor building fire to those of WTC 7 and the twin towers.
The skyscraper fire in Beijing offers another stark and bold reminder that when one eliminates the dodgy, agenda-driven, and incomprehensible delusions of NIST, one fact remains abundantly clear;
Office fires – even the flame shooting towering inferno variety – cannot cause modern buildings to implode in on themselves and collapse. Only deliberately placed explosives can achieve this end. The Windsor fire, the Beijing skyscraper fire and many more yet to come painfully underscore the awful truth that the only way WTC 7 and the twin towers could have collapsed in the manner that they did was by means of controlled demolition.
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February 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
In the 70’s, builders did not use a chemical coating called monocoat. If you drive into a parking garage and see gray fur on the load bearing members, that is monocoat. It is a fire retardant used for metal and concrete.
It would have saved all WTC’s. Damn shame.
slave to the wage Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Apparently,it did not retard this fire,as the entire building was consumed.
What kind of double think is that? You’ve been called.
UncleSam Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
No, slave.
Monocoat will slow the breakdown of structural members and the flexing of metals. All fire supression and retardant systems are for life safety. Basically, give the occupants enough time to escape, after that, let the building burn.
Nothing can really stop a fire once going strong, most firemen only control a high rise fire and prevent it from spreading. The building itself is always an acceptable loss.
Shep Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
You’re argument for monocoat saving WTC 7 makes no sense. You just admitted that after a certain period of time the monocoat is useless and gone as it just retards the fire long enough for people to escape. Therefore it doesn’t save buildings and once it has been burned off of the structural columns, they are no more protected then the columns at WTC 7. This fire raged for hours in China and never collapsed which means the columns were subjected to fire without the monocoat as it was already burned off. I mean your argument is so ridiculous, I almost wonder if you made this up.
Shep Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Your argument*
D Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Uncle Sam you are a retard if you expect us to believe that load of crap. Explain why the Bejing building did not collapse then? or better yet say this to yourself very slowly “I am Sofa King, we Tod did.”
rafmad Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 11:29 am
What are you talking about? You are a damn shame, and we are not stupid.
William Morgan - American Hero Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
monocoat- yeah right! -That would have prevented the BOMBS inside the towers from bringing them down.
-and some clown calling himself ‘New World Order’ says: WTC-7 feel because it was sloppily constructed.”
No idiot- Your brain feeled cuz it was sloppily constucted
I got sick and tired of arguing with the ninnies/twits/idiots/sheeple about 9/11 a few years ago. I wish we take all the real Axis of Evil people, the New World Order schemers who pulled off 9/11 along with their enablers the sheeple (like the ones posting dumbass comments here) and put them all on some remote island and friggin NUKE IT! All the G** Damn Israelis and Arabs too, so we don’t have to hear about their stupid fighting anymore.
Karema Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I wish we stop saying the NWO did 9/11 because that says nothing. We need to pin the tail on the donkey, not on the house. Is there a leader one person in the NWO we can say did 9/11 ? No there is not, saying it was the NWO puts the blame on no one, and takes the blame off the real culprits. We can’t go to court and put the NWO on trial, we need names, identifiable organizations. NWO too general. Stop drinking Alex’s Cherry flavored kool aid and think for yourself. Stop sounding like him. Come up with your own ideas, add something to the conversation other than just repeating what you hear someone has said on the radio.
About your nuke all Israelis and Arabs comments:
Maybe thats why Iran wants nukes in the first place – so when idiots start talking about pushing the button on the Middle East – they have an answer. It is unbelievable how dumb some people are. They talk about Obama kool aid drinkers and don’t know they are drinking kool aid themselves, only a different flavor. You sound like racist and ignorant. I guess I can’t blame you – a mind is a terrible thing to waste in American public schools.
Clausen Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I don’t drink cool aid I drink beer!!!!!!!!!! ROFL.
..you people who actually think you can blame the Zionist for everything are a real laugh…so I guess the Zionist pulled off 9/11 without the co-operation of elements inside the US? Undoubtedly they have an agenda that benefited from 9/11…but saying they are the sole culprits is what gives credence to the Zionists antisemitism cry.
The bottom line is the Devil controls the world and he controls those in power…and believe me he doesn’t care what race they are!
Satan offered Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he worshiped him….you think he hasn’t done the same thing to those in power today?
Jyle Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
No the WTC had something better than monocoat, they had asbestos insulating the steel.
No Way No How Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Theorists explained that the fireproof steel coating was blown off on account of the
exploding planes, but that does not explain three buildings free falling into their
own footprints.
LiveFreeOrDieFighting Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Alex Jones planted Tooth Fairies in the building
zephie Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
they all lie, its all a part of a complex hoax. I watched those buildings get destroyed. They blew up and out sending giant steel beams flying up into the air. If a building is going to fall it wont fall up. Im sick of people who are either to smugg or full of false pride to see the truthe. or maybe your a govt. stooge…. also a possibility.
Mutha Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Go cointellpro somewhere else re-Con
Larry Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Anyone who thinks the towers or building 7 were brought down by a smoldering wick type of fire needs to have their head examined. Believe the government story if you want and ignore eyewitness accounts, physics and common sense.
akston Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Actually, the NIST report claims that the fireball blew off whatever the equivalent of monocoat was at the time. So the NIST report’s video actually refutes your position, lol
Rockclimber Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Screw monocoat! I think all buildings should be made of gas grill steel grates. I left the damn thing on for almost a day and the grate looked great! It hadn’t melted, it didn’t have monocoat and I have placed meats on the thing that should have buckled the grate trusses.
But seriously, anyone with a brain knows good and well that steel buildings do not come down by fire, never have, never will. They are only brought down by controlled demolitions. And that’s the FACT JACK, so get over it already.
9-11 was a zio-job
Clausen Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Conspiracies are the norm and always have been all throughout human history…so only a moron with his head in the sand…or someone who doesn’t want other people to know the truth would say otherwise!
Nothing of any criminal scale gets done without a conspiracy!
You go ahead and try to rewrite history.
Recon- why do you think the 2nd amendment is in the constitution? Is it because it is a wild conspiracy to think your government might not have your best interest in mind?
The “founding fathers” were crazies and thought their government had it in for them! LOL…
The government has no respect for you and think you are a complete moron..and not just you… each and everyone of us. They do not think you have a right to live because you are only slightly better than the animals! Or worse because you have the ability to think but refuse to do so!
What about the evidence of your eyes?
Rcon- don’t believe your lying eyes!
Anyone who has eyes can see something was strange with the way those buildings came down! Do some research and it doesn’t matter what counter-lies are coming in…a thinking person sees through the lies…
Hitler relied on people like you rcon…he believed and lived that the bigger the lie the more people would believe it!
dRapNOid Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
And we don’t care that this site has been infiltrated by paid bloggers anymore because it is so old fucking hat, that your arguments are even getting weaker.
cock Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
you’re a fucking idiot and have utterly no idea what you are talking about
Robert Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Why doesn’t Rockclimber have any idea what he’s talking about. You should explain why to be understood. A line of explanation would prove you finished high school.
New World Order Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Lies all lies!
james Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
whats monocoat got to do with the twin towers exploding and falling perfectly into its wn footprint. Wt7 fell perfectly into its own footprint. Either those building were designed to take fire and airplane crashes or they were designed to fall into there own foot print if they catch on fire or get hit by plane
Grammatoncleric Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Recon Marine read Crossing the rubicon by Michael C Ruppert… goes into the publicly documented gov and intelligence communities connections to the atrocity of 9/11, read that and they call the 9/11 re-investigation movement crazy.
Bill Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
If what you say was even remotely close to the truth… why on earth was there not a full, open and transparent investigation into this enormous crime? Why was the evidence removed and shipped off to China? And most important of all who benefitted from this crime? Well actually that’s an easy one.. the same ones that covered up the evidence and put out the fairy tale explanation. That’s why the victims families don’t believe the official version and that is why millions of people who still retain the ability to think do not believe it.
Of course, governments and the establishment never lie and we should trust and believe everything they say… after all they have our best interests at heart. History bears this out… as long as you can ignore the fact that hundreds of millions of innocent people got slaughtered for that fatal mistake.
Michael Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Wasn’t WTC 7 built in 1987? Not the 70’s?
Larry Daigneault Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Both WTC 1 and 2 had monocoat, for sure. Since the monocoat covers steel it serves no purpose except to slow the heating and cooling of the steel and noise control. Steel after all does not burn in the earth’s atmosphere. It thus quiets the creaking sound of expansion and contraction and absorbs other mechanical sounds. The twin towers were CONDEMNED buildings because of their asbestos content and it was estimated to cost 15 Billion to demolish them safely.
Scientific examination of the WTC steel found unexplained sulfide residue on the steel. The core elements of the three buildings were CUT by THERMATE charges. If fire caused the collapses, the buildings would have buckled at the HOTEST point and bent over, not free fall into their own foot prints. The free fall factor requires sudden failure of the weight bearing members including those members NOT EXPOSED to any fire.
Wez the Aussie Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 2:57 am
I still find it hard to believe, that someone would post a comment like that, on this web site. Please, please, do some research before making such ignorant or deluded comments.
M Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 3:11 am
What about the One Meridian Plaza tower in Philadelphia Pa, completed in 1972?
Line in the sand Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:30 am
The proof is in the DUST of the towers Mr.Sam
http://911research.wtc7.net/wt.....index.html
Respond to the repeatable forensic’s Sir!
Dirt Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
ENR states:
“… on the damage to the primarily concrete-framed building as a result of a dramatic Feb. 9 blaze that engulfed all 31 stories and killed one firefighter …” and “… Though mostly concrete, TVCC has steel “stability” trusses that link tower halves and a steel space frame at the top.”
WTC 7 was a completely steel framed building not concrete framed. Unless you speak with the designers from Arup, please do not pretend you can definitively prove science incorrect. Thermal expansion and shearing off of headed studs is a phenomenon with the floor beams in steel framed buildings. Nothing I have read so far indicates there are steel beams with antique fire proofing methods, as this building is brand new. Please re-read NIST’s report and not misinterpret their findings. Lastly, every building is different. WTC 7 had New York construction practices (i.e., transfer systems, walking columns, etc.) and the Chinese may not allow the same engineering practices.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:48 am
The Chinese are better engineers. Look how fast they are growing they are Amazing
People. They must have like a 150 average IQ. Look how complex their Alphabet is.
Once they got rid of that Communism crap they are Rocking. Just built a Huge Damn
and the Taiwanese just did a Tunnel nobody said could be DONE. They did it. And the
Koreans can build a ship like in a couple of days. Brilliant people……
Rockclimber Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Brilliant? If that were the case communism would have been long gone. Maybe it’s just that they have no guts to stand up and revolt.
iamfree Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Chinese do not have alpha bets. Every character is a word of its own. Alsot Chinese people are hard working people. The Chinese empire has been around for more than five thousand years, I think they will make it through this crisis. I would have move to China if their population isn’t so much.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am
The Chinese are Amazing Engineers.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am
The Nine-Pointed Star (the Mark of the Beast)
http://mankindlastchance.wordpress.com/
February 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am
amazing article.
WE KNOW WHAT THEY DID AND WE’RE NOT GONA SHUT UP ABOUT IT
2+2 != 5
foxc776 Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
THATS RIGHT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SHUT UP TILL THE TRUTH COMES OUT AND PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT TO JUSTISE
February 9th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Countries are made Strong by Good Engineering. We use to build some kick ass stuff here.
Look at alot of the New Houses my friend has to fix them after first ThunderStorm.
Siding blows off. But our old houses real strong well built. Got some old sailboat winches
made here strong as hell last forever. We use to build some serious stuff here but alas.
Cars are good though last long time better than old ones. Ding dong Sloan had that
design obselance thing going. You know designed to break right after 2 Year warranty.
Cars lots better. Parents always buying GM cars after 2 or 3 years broke. They did get better. Plame the CEOs always shaving a buck here and there. Ceo wreck everything.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I’m sorry Alex was wrong on this one. The flames in Beijing were more like 200ft…
iamfree Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
It wasn’t Alex who wrote the article. Thats like saying, ” I am sorry but the
Pope is wrong on this one.”
February 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Oh yea all the Best Engineering in The World doesn’t work real against Explosives.
Yea 7 thermal Expansion fell off chair and laugh my ass off on that one. Amazinf the LIES
they tell. Here is a good one anyone can check. Anyone if you here Surplus at the end
of Clinton reign ask yourself why the US Public DEBT did not decrease. Yea a Budget
surplus just disappeared like the 2 Trillion at the DOV accounting school for simple math.
These people are lousy liars. Sickness mental sickness. The Full Moon is made of cheese
I bet you could get half this country to believe. Put it on TV with EXPERTS from The Moon
Institute for Advanced Bull Shit. Thermal Expansion the never heard of befor a First I tell you a First.
Theywontchipme Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
“The Moon Institute for Advanced Bull Shit”
HOW CAN I JOIN……….
February 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Pull it at free fall
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neocons
art students
moving company
DANCE
(remember when made in japan was bad)
February 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am
You are telling me that small fires took down the WTC 7 in 8 seconds(free-fall speed), but an enormous fire that engulfed this entire building did not take it down because the Chinese are better engineers? Are you that retarded? Are you claiming “Monocoat” saved this building? The WTC 7 complex had molten steel beneathe it. Give me a break. Just so you understand, this is not the first time a steel and concrete building was completely engulfed in flames and did not entirely collapse. What about the designers of those buildings? Were they 100 times smarter than American engineers too? Open your eyes…There was no good reason why WTC 7 collapsed at free-fall speed. You know it, I know it and the govt. knows it. Don’t try and attribute the collapse to the lack of fire-proofing and sub-standard engineers. That is just ignorant. Especially when this Chinese building is not the only building in history to remain standing after an intense fire.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:14 am
VERY good article, Paul Joseph Watson. keep it up, however this site is pretty much the ‘only’ real investigative journalism left on the planet.
iamfree Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I agree, and people please stop criticizing infowars.com or anythong AJ’s sites. The man works really hard to inform everyone. Nothing is perfect. Your job is to analyze which info is correct.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:16 am
This building didn’t collapse from fire, therefore WTC 7 could not have. Logical fallacy.
FukkenGenius Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Logic has no place in this argument.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Sorry Chup, I am still learning Math. I didn’t mean to hurt your fealings. Maybe you know
where that Mystery Money Tree is Unlimited Money that we can “borrow” forever from
and Pay Interest to who? I can’t figure it out. I only took Quantum Physics I can’t add.
Sorry don’t get mad at me. I am studing Fluid String Dynamics in a jet Steram of twong juice that is Off Budget no its on Budget. i am so Confused.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
All E=Mail is being Monitored by several Intellegience Agencies. Send Money. repeat send
Money. And Bob at the NSA your mom called needs you to pick up so Cat Food. Oh
and Peter at the CIA your left rear tire is a little flat.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
They build better buildings in the 3rd world and don’t cut corners like they do in the United States. I repeat let us not harbor conspiracy theories! WTC-7 feel because it was sloppily constructed.
foxc776 Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MY FRIEND WHAT A ASS WIPE
Rockclimber Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
and you heard it on Fox News too eh Einstein?
iamfree Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I am sorry but you are wrong on this one. Vietnam is a 3rd world country and their building, houses, everything is crap. So you comment is incorrect.
New World Order Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
These buildings the heat was blown out ass you can see on 9-11 all the flames attacked the center where the support of the entire building was melting all steel columns at the exact same time weakening every column so the buildings all fell at free fall speed
Line in the sand Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Look at the forensics in the dust of the towers–> http://911research.wtc7.net/wt.....index.html
February 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Yeah NIST, where’s your thermal expansion here?!?!?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:39 am
To you doubters, name just 1 steel framed building over 4 stories high that has completely collapsed due to fire. Check out this report from Hughes Associates, an international Fire protection company. http://www.haifire.com/present.....Survey.pdf
The only steel framed structure over 4 stories in height that have ever had total collapse was on 9/11 and it happened 3 times! Expain how that is even possible!
WTC 7 was a steel moment frame construction, where the WTC 1 & 2 were tubular steel with floor trusses. You would expect them to behave differently due to their differences in construction. Yet both broke the elementary laws of basic physics in the exact same way, by collapsing into the path of most resistance, instead of the path of least resistance, AND at near free fall speed! It’s a no brainer.
Jon Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Freefall: http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html.
D Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I don’t even have to look at your BS website, because you cannot explain how the building collapsed INTO the path of MOST resistance! Typical doubter, to change the subject.
Rockclimber Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Jon repeats this to himself incessantly from the time he wakes up each day: “My name is Jon and I am a moron and I love Fox news”
TheJonesFamily Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Thats why debating any of this stuff is pointless. Its like debating religion. Any proof that gets shown to you is shit, yet your “proof” is the one and only “truth” on the whole planet. You “toothers” do nothing but repeat what a couple of websites tell you, and even though there may be 100 websites disputing every “fact” you think you know, they’re all wrong. You know the one and only truth. The one Alex and a few others spoon feed to you.
Like does anyone seriously fucking think that if Alex was on to all this “truth” that he would be alive? They supposidly killed 3000 of their own people in the biggest coverup in history, yet they’ll let some fat-fuck-inbred-Texan expose all their secrets without taking him out. Like what if they did take him out? Is everyone here going to revolt all of a sudden. No, you’ll sit behind your computers “fighting for truth”.
You’ll all just sit here waiting for the next sermon.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am
“VERY good article, Paul Joseph Watson. keep it up, however this site is pretty much the ‘only’ real investigative journalism left on the planet.” He hasn’t investigated anything. Are the structural systems the same? Was there a similar amount of ‘fuel’ in each of the buildings? Were the sprinkler systems in this Beijing building also not functional because of a cut off water supply? Paul’s investigation = This fire was bigger, look at the fancy photos. Pre-school journalism as usual.
iamfree Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Please give him a break. Maybe you should email Paul to tell him personally that his journalism is pre-school, and maybe school him on that.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Yes Operation are not repeat Not Conspiracies. No such thing why they don’t even have
a LAW do they about Conspiracies and Racketeering no such thing. Stupid Me.
SR-71 now that was Engineered. That New Joint strike Fighter is cool to. That is amazing.
Funny they must use diffent metal in Jet engines then buildings so they Don’t Thermal
Expand. But they did compensate in the SR-71. We make good subs and Aircraft Carriers.
So we do have the potential. Its the CEOs they wreck everything. But unfortunately all our
intelligance systems have been comprimised. And got Moles all over the place everywher
way way up in the Structure and they eat golf balls. A mole could have ate the beams
of WTC 7. Like termite that eats metal. Friend of mine is designing one i a Lab a Genetically altered Termite that eats Metal. its really weird looking hope It doesn’t get out till
it perfected. It’s been eating its cage. Mfer has some teeth on it like a Nutreea or a Muskrat.
Theywontchipme Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
R THEY TERMITES OR TERMATES??
February 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am
The pictures here are amazing.
Look at this link. Do you think Barry Jennings was a total liar or what?
http://www.jonesreport.com/art....._wtc7.html
Was he a liar and other witnesses who heard the countdown? Maybe they were all just delusional?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am
“Chupakabra Says: The WTC 7 complex had molten steel beneathe it.” Molten steel would explain the collapse. What most commonly melts things – maybe fire? Did this Beijing building have molten steel? Is that maybe a reason why it didn’t collapse – the structure didn’t melt? What was your point of mentioning molten steel? It seems to weaken this article’s argument…
D Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 11:59 am
The only thing weak about this article are your comments.
Jon Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Paul: The Beijing building was on fire and didn’t collapse, therefore WTC7 could not have collapsed because of fire. D: No steel structure building has every collapsed from fire therefore WTCs couldn’t have. Chupa: Small fires at WTC7 and WTC7 had molten steel.
What are you guy’s trying to say. There’s inconsistencies here.
D Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
The only inconsistancy is that you fail to look at the basic elementary physics of steel buildings. You are saying that since it has never happened before in the HISTORY of Steel framed high rises, that does not mean it couldn’t ever happen.
Where is the logic in that??? Especially when 3 such unprecedented events happened in 1 day, and the buildings had 2 separate types of framing systems. The odds are impossible without the steel columns being cut from the inside.
We're all slaves Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Thermite melts steel.
Jon Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
A lot of things can melt steel. Why jump to one of the least likely conclusions? A plane flew into the building and caused catastrophic structural damage but no it was explosives and thermite…
Jon is just disillusioned Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
No, actually, not a lot of things can melt steel and the fires in any of those buildings (including wtc7, which did not get hit by a plane) did not get anywhere near hot enough to melt steel. Those buildings were designed to withstand the impact of several jet airliners of a similar size to the one that hit each of two of the three, remember, the third building did not get hit by a plane, how do you account for it’s “catastrophic structural damage”?
You might want to spend a little time researching the subject, it’s really a no-brainer, there is sooo much evidence of controlled demolitions it isn’t even funny, really, take the time to listen to Dr. Steven Jones talk about thermite and Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. You are making yourself look retarded by not doing the research.
Line in the sand Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am
TEST THE DUST OF THE TOWERS-> http://911research.wtc7.net/wt.....index.html
February 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
This site and Rense is like the only place left with Intelligent people. You can learn alot of stuff. Funny alot of people at rense maybe here were warning about the Economy along
time ago. The our Politicians act like oh my God how did this happen oh My God.
Amazing Actors or they don’t know anything who knows. Or like in Bolshevic Russia they
Our Oh So Honest and Special Leaders go whacking anyone that speaks up. If you get
rid of the intellectual types the Analysis types makes it easier to feed shit to the Masses.
Then the masses go Massa sir Massa I believe you Massa yes Massa never lies never
Massa Good. what was that weird little troll like thing in the Movie cool movie had like four
different movies. Lord of the Rings. They kept a hell of a lid on that HOLOMODOR
talk about some nasty ass Soviet types Bolshevics really horrible yet the Ukraines were
feeding Europe while starving to Death. The media can really steer people. Have had my
run ins and been shot down.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Google “Moscow apartment bombings” and in no time, you’ll be reading reports (all over the mainstream media) of how Putin’s guys were caught red-handed (this on the verge of Putin’s first election victory) planting the bombs.
These bombings were the second biggest false flag of recent times. Absolute proof was discovered that the highest levels of the Russian state were responsible. THE RESULT OF THIS WAS THAT PUTIN BECAME EVEN MORE POWERFUL. THE PEOPLE DID NOT PUNISH HIS RUTHLESSNESS, BUT PRAISED IT. The result of the false flag can be seen by going to google maps and looking at the overhead view of a ruined Chechnya.
Tony Blair was at the centre of the Moscow apartment bombings, alongside Putin, just as Tony Blair was at the centre of 911, alongside Bush, and at the centre of the wars in Serbia, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Afghanistan.
And, of course, Tony Blair was recently lecturing Obama, with Obama publicly stating that he followed in Blair’s shadow, and only hoped he could prove to be half as good as Blair. When considering Blair being the first to Obama, you might want to remember that Blair, as far as the public goes, has no official political position of significance.
911 has long been proven to be a result of pre-planted explosives. Indeed, explosive experts on the day stated that the buildings came down as a consequence of demolition charges, and only withdrew this observation when they realised that only government approved agencies could have been responsible for such demolitions.
The sheep don’t give a stuff that they were slaughtered by their masters for the direct benefit of their masters. I fear most of you cannot bear hearing this truth.
The game is not about revealing the evil intent of evil men, but in ensuring that such evil men do not get supreme power in the first place. Once they do, we are essentially stuffed. Bush was a coerced follower of Blair’s plans- Obama is a willing disciple by his own words.
STEP ONE- UNDERSTAND TONY BLAIR IS AT THE CENTRE OF EVERYTHING, AND HAS BEEN SINCE THE TIME OF CLINTON. If you cannot make your mind do this, you might as well give up these concerns, and return to being one of the sheep yourself.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
It’s only a matter of time before Alex and the true freedom fighters are rounded up, tortured and killed by brainwashed ’show no mercy’ marines.
Their is nothing we can do. Too many people just don’t care or want to care. They just want to sit at home and watch the television.
When we decide to die for freedom. Most people will just realize that we are ‘terrorists’ from the media, an they will think to theirselves ‘well those bastards got what they deserved’.
No one will know why, and no one will care that we were murdered for the sacrafice of the greater good. The true, a despotic New World Order.
Lets face it guys, we can’t win, and we won’t. The best thing we can do is sacrafice ourselves, and hope that at some point people will question why their was a mass purge against the truth movement.
anon Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
What a fucking pussy. You won’t even try? Wouldn’t you rather go out in a blaze of guns and glory rather than a fucking beaten dog? Your mindset disgusts me. Grow some balls.
Line in the sand Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:40 am
HAAA,HAAA I can say that here in IDAHO we citizens are READY
February 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
The houses were collapseing but the man like G.W.Bush is standing
on own feet like boletus. Excuse my english. It is allmost same thing
as jewish cock in the frost.
Ville from Finland
Ps. I can get no satisfaction.
ric Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
now you talking our kind of language vilho
February 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
BS this game goes way back befor Tony Blair. Warburg Brother here with FED RESERVE
and Brother there back in Homeland Germany council to the Kaiser. Wilson blackmailed.
War of 1812 because America freeing itself from Europe control Bank. Please this Movie
is very Long very long.
We're all slaves Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
You’re absolutely correct. This goes way back to the revolutionary war and colonization of America.
http://www.theforbiddenknowled....._index.htm
America is STILL a British colony. Google and read the Treaty of 1783.
I want you to notice in the first paragraph that the king refers to himself as prince of the Holy Roman Empire and of the United States. You know from this that the United States did not negotiate this Treaty of peace in a position of strength and victory, but it is obvious that Benjamin Franklin, John Jay and John Adams negotiated a Treaty of further granted privileges from the king of England. Keep this in mind as you study these documents. You also need to understand the players of those that negotiated this Treaty. For the Americans it was Benjamin Franklin Esgr., a great patriot and standard bearer of freedom. Or was he? His title includes Esquire.
“Esquires by virtue of their offices; as justices of the peace, and others who bear any office of trust under the crown….for whosever studieth the laws of the realm, who studieth in the universities, who professeth the liberal sciences, and who can live idly, and without manual labor, and will bear the port, charge, and countenance of a gentleman, he shall be called master, and shall be taken for a gentleman.” Blackstone Commentaries p. 561-562
Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and John Jay as you can read in the Treaty were all Esquires and were the signers of this Treaty and the only negotiators of the Treaty. The representative of the king was David Hartley Esqr..
Benjamin Franklin was the main negotiator for the terms of the Treaty, he spent most of the War traveling between England and France. The use of Esquire declared his and the others British subjection and loyalty to the crown.
In the first article of the Treaty most of the kings claims to America are relinquished, except for his claim to continue receiving gold, silver and copper as gain for his business venture. Article 3 gives Americans the right to fish the waters around the United States and its rivers. In article 4 the United States agreed to pay all bona fide debts.
That’s right, we were conned by some of our early fore fathers into believing that we are free and sovereign people, when in fact we had the same status as before the Revolutionary War. I say had, because our status is far worse now than then. I’ll explain.
Early on in our history the king was satisfied with the interest made by the Bank of the United States. But when the Bank Charter was canceled in 1811 it was time to gain control of the government, in order to shape government policy and public policy. Have you never asked yourself why the British, after burning the White House and all our early records during the War of 1812, left and did not take over the government. The reason they did, was to remove the greatest barrier to their plans for this country. That barrier was the newly adopted 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution. The purpose for this Amendment was to stop anyone from serving in the government who was receiving a Title of nobility or honor. It was and is obvious that these government employees would be loyal to the granter of the Title of nobility or honor [esquires].
The War of 1812 served several purposes. It delayed the passage of the 13th Amendment by Virginia, allowed the British to destroy the evidence of the first 12 states ratification of this Amendment, and it increased the national debt, which would coerce the Congress to reestablish the Bank Charter in 1816 after the Treaty of Ghent was ratified by the Senate in 1815.
butch murphy Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I LIVE IN THE NOW! WHAT THE FUCK DO I CARE ABOUT HISTORY? LIKE THOSE ANCIENT M-EFFERS WERE ANY SMARTER THAN WE WHO LIVE TODAY? FUCK HISTORY! FUCK ALL THE THEORIES AND MICRO MANAGEMENT GOVERNMENT/CORPORATE CONCEPTS OF HOW I SHOULD LIVE! IT’S REALLY SIMPLE. FUCK WITH ME ENOUGH, I BLOW YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF!!! P.S. I DON’T TRUST THIS WEBSITE. A MESSAGE I LEFT YESTERDAY WAS DELETED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
mike Reply:
February 13th, 2009 at 8:37 am
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF THATS WHY YOU SHOULD GIVE A FUCK DUMBSHIT
February 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
That fire isn’t that big lol
February 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Hey Lord Baron ,,,The HOLOMODOR doesnt need thought crimes. I know the jews are behind it, Stalin is 100% khazar. Why no hollywood movies with communist jews killing and starving orthodox ukrainian christians? Isreal should be paying the Ukrainian people billions just like the poor german people have to pay for that holohoax bullshit.
WTC7 is the smoking gun.
fyou Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Nazis stole Jewish property, cash, and other assets before Holocaust.
Stop pretending that you do not know this!
anti zionist Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Did you see that on schindlers list? did you also see the outdoor cremation? put a steak on your bbq and see how long it take, with the lid up, for the steak to turn to ash.
fyou Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 3:14 am
What are you talking about? There are also many books about Holocaust and survivors.
After world war II, Jews just wanted compensation from the German government for their money and properties stolen by Nazi regime.
anti zionist Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
The germans where just taking back what the jews stole from the people. All the interest you pay goes to a jew, for doing nothing. But you cant figure this out can you?
fyou Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Anti zionist, are you crazy? Jews were running legitimate business and owned their properties in Nazi Germany. The brainwashed Nazi soldiers and German rioters looted the shops owned by Jews and their assets were seized by Nazi regime. What are you talking about? Jews also had performed slave labor for Nazi regime, Swiss-owned firms or companies that had deposited assets in Switzerland.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
The Impossible Balance Budget crap don’t worry here comes 9/11. It goes way back
its a Rothschild thing. Study that. Its an Illuminati thing. Russia was run by some real
first Class assholes after they killed the Czar so please. Took along time to free themselves
from the Rothschild backed Soviets gulag Orthodox Christian Killers. Please
Oh but its ok. lets not talk about the HOLOMODOR.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Where is the F===ing HOLOMODOR Museum in DC. To show everyone how you can keep a really bad
thing Hiden. Or all that crappy bad ass Soviet crap put in place by Rothschild yea NO
museum. Funny. Not
How about were the 2 Trillionwent were your Fellow American Ben Bernake has it stashed.
Please right NOW right NOW shit is going down here right NOW.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Of course the building didnt collapse from fire.
Everyone knows that only on sept 11 2001 was that possible and just no other day. Right NIST? lol
But then again, it reminds me of the ‘planes’ debate. Even though I dont agree with the no planes theory, the finger pointing about it among truthers is disgusting.
I swear most guru’s of the new age should carry a sign that says:
QUESTION THE NATURE OF REALITY.
(unless its about planes on an exact date, thx)
lol.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
hey Uncle Sam, Do you really believe the conspiracy theory that an Arab in a cave in Afghan. shut down the half trillion dollar US air defenses with his laptop? Believe his incompetents, one of whom could not solo a Cessna 172 with 600 hours in his log book, could plan descents, without continuous radar guidance for height and location, so as to arrive at the correct height and location, at max speed in 180 ton airliners, ready for their final turns? Do you really believe that these incompetents could, at that stage, calculate the correct angle of bank to apply, still at full speed, so as to roll of of the final turn, and be lined up to strike the said buildigs? Do you believe that these incompetents had the psychic powers to free fall three buildings, including unstruck WTC7, to put the 180 ton Boeing through a ten foot hole at the Penta, or to disappear one in a bomb crater in Shanlksville? So the WTCs would have been saved with this fire retardant, really??? Who pays you to write such crap in this enlightened age, and on such a site as this.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Just Sew a Yellow Cross on the Old Garments. Yea truth people will end up Like the
USS Liberty crew or the USS Cole. Maybe they will but of Am Isreal Flag of Congress
might as well. Top being so sneaky and just do it. Stop pretending. Get an USS Liberty
Ball Cap and sew a Yellow Cross on your clothes and get a free FEMA TRAIN TICKET
to SuckerVille all Aboard Choo cho leaving station 666. My religion does not
allow Interest on Paper Money from NowhereVille guess I be At Station 666.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
That was just put an Isreal Flag up over Congress why Not. Need spell check sometimes.
Yea where is the USS Liberty Memorial you know what Chicken shit assholes would not
eevn give the Crew Medals at White House did not want to stir things up so to speak.
Like the Weehawken 5. just walze right in Ballerian Style and waltz right out real quiet
shhhhhhhhh Don’t tell might not look good might raise Question. Shhhhhh Operation
Tribal Cover Up shhhhhhhhh don’t tell you get hip to the game. Your Fellow American
with a Hyphen………
February 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
It is almost impossible for me to believe that WTC 7 fell from the limited fires.
For God’s sake, just take a look! That little bit of fire making the building collapse at free-fall speed??
It goes against good, sane logic. Abandon emotions, and preconcieved thinking, and just trust your gut instinct.
The haves versus the have-nots. Oldest story in the book.
Educate yourself, and discuss with others. Make people think. Make them uncomfortable. I’m not giving up…
Theywontchipme Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
AAAAHHHH…. Refreshing sanity! Thank you!
February 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
But… but… but… according to NIST, thermal expansion should have brought that puppy right down on its own footprint, at freefall speed…
Now I’m just all cornfused…
(Like hell I am.)
LiveFreeOrDieFighting Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
You just called a building , a puppy………..now I’m confused………woof woof……ha
(Like the heck I am)……..ha
February 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
All new buildings are now fire proofed with Obamaolics for they are great RETARDENTS.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
maybe nist will say this building stood up because millions of trolls and fairys held it up there lol ive had bond fires bigger then what was in tower 7. how insulting is it to see news reporters defending that offcial story i mean you can argue a little about 1 and 2 but 7 nothing hits it and suddenly theres these fires that pop out of no where
February 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
cos someone forgot to put the explosives inside………….thats why
February 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
“The answer is simple, only buildings 45 stories or higher can ever collapse from minimal fire damage.” – Principles of NIST Physics Vol. 9 Ch. 11
February 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
wtc7 collapsed in 11.september at 5:20 pm. It looked like controlled demolition!
And it was!!!!
If it was controlled demolition than they knew about 9/11 before it took place.
It takes days to plan and prepare for controlled demolition. ( not 8 hours)
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!
WAKE UP!!!
ric Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
with conventional explosives but what about those linear thermite charges? wow never seen them before, perhaps remotely controlled? dunno. it stinks of shit to high heaven though eh?
February 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Every Building Designed Like 7 should be reBuilt. Image a couple little fires and the whole
thing comes down. I smell LawSuit. Basically withe The Theory OF Thermal Expansion
everybuilding like it is Danger of Collapse. Why someone could have a Candle and the
heat Oh my goyim oh oh the heat od a Candle could Expand the Steel. Oh my I would
not want to work or live in a building like that. Oh My
February 9th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
FUCKING SHIT
February 9th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
MY FATHERS SHIT STINKS UP THE BATHROOM ALL FUCKING DAY
February 9th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
course we all know 9/11 was an inside job…hey isnt the new series of lost on tonight?
February 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
must be due to the Chinese construction industry being far advanced of the American one,
also the poor quality of air in Beijing caused thermal contraction – that being the fire was at a lower heat due to less pure oxygen being available to burn as a result of all the pollution in Beijing.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
The people are waking up one by one
9/11 hides much more than many even can imagine.
Another false flag but also a ceremonial sacrificial event for the occult involved.
Bohemian grove, related????? research it!!! Sept 11 2001 is a date numbers and the occult live by these sacret numbers that symbolise many things to them.
Soon the illuminati will be taken out of power on this planet, the operation has begun but they will put up a fight for they are not ready to let go of the strangle hold they have on humanity.
Universal law will win and force these mad criminals out of power and nothing can stop the process
Peace to all good humans of planet earth
February 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
WTC 1,2,7 and possible 6 or 4 were blown up. Period. The gov lied. They did it alright.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
But…….but the fire wasnt caused by an airplane crash…..so its not a REAL fire…….yeah, thats the ticket…….not a real fire (just tryin to help out my NIST buddies) lol
FEMA Camp Agent Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Thats the ticket, you will enjoy our comfortable FEMA camps where you can bring the kids too. We will watch over you and protect you, we aim to keep all good Americans safe from all these terrorists and bad guys who are unpatriotic and hate freedom.
Do you hate freedom and the USA? By ignoring the 9/11 facts you’re showing your patriotism, so get ignoring
butch murphy Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
YES! ALL THIS SHIT IS OLD!!!!! FUCK THE PAST! FUCK THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD! FUCK ALL LIES AND PROPAGANDA DOWNLOADED ONTO THE PSYCHES OF ALL INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS BY THE SATANIC POWER STRUCTURE THAT IS LOSING IT’S IRON GRIP OF TYRANNY! THE C–KSUCKERS HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT. LOOK WHERE THE ECONOMY (WORLD WIDE) IS NOW. IF YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT SUSTENANCE, YOU ARE DEAD. THEY(AND THEIRS) WILL TAKE THE CREAM OFF THE TOP AND THEN SHIT IN YOUR MOUTH. THE TIME FOR REVOLT IS UPON US NOW! FOR IF YOU DO NOT ACT NOW YOU WILL DIE SOON!!!!
February 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
This has been submitted to Digg… go Digg it up.
http://digg.com/world_news/Fir.....t_collapse
February 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
wtc pre demolition flashes ?? you decide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
February 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
in response to Alex Jones Said Arabs Run Hollywood,
Thanks so much for this video. You are so right on the money here. I haven’t seen any other video with so much detail lay out the “Links” with names and facts in such a professional way. I give anyone credit for at least trying to question the official Commission report on 9/11. I was hoping for something new, that I hadn’t already known, 911 Missing Links gave me so much more to research and think about. So many 9/11 documentaries are re-cycling the same info, which is fine as long as the info is accurate, I am only speaking for myself, I would like to see new info, more investigative reporting. This made “Loose Change 2nd Edition ” a hit. At the time people had limited information,so this video worked. I believe many of us have grown in the truth movement and Fox out of all media outlets were the only one to break the story about the Jewish spy ring. (I wish someone would produce a film solely about the Jewish spy network in the U.S.A. Hey we even have Russian Mafia, you really have to have a thick layer of skin to go there.)
I can’t knock a person when they are using their own resources, when they are taking the time to make a documentary. Everyone has their own perspective. I just have a problem when a film maker has an agenda. And if that agenda is to purposely hide info or mislead the population, then there is surely a problem.
Alex Jones has made some good films. I really liked Terror Storm.
About your screen name.
I also wondered why Alex said Hollywood is controlled by Arabs and he said Middle Easterners / Arabs were involved in the Oklahoma bombing. If Arabs controlled Hollywood, there would not be so much anti-Arab, anti-Muslim / Islam propaganda in hollywood films, in the news, etc….. If Arabs had anything to do with Oklahoma, we would have had the Patriot Act and war with Iraq long time ago. I don’t agree with his take on Bosnia. You can do research online or you can talk to people from that region to get the truth. I know a few Bosnians. They were refugees here in Houston, many of them came here. I have heard their stories, their version is much different than what I hear on Prison Planet.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
stop trying to debate these 9-11 debunkers.. They are not even debunkers they are COINCIDENCE theorists.. There is so much evidence showing inside job you have to be a coincidence theorist to believe in the official account .. Last count was like 600 pieces of evidence showing inside job?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
foxc776 Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
YOUR SO RIGHT ITS NOT WORTH FIGHTING THESE DINGOBERRIES
D Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Maybe not worth it, but it does reveal how stupid they all are.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
YEAH CAN YOU BELIEVE MY GAS GRILL IS STILL STANDING AFTER ALL THE LONG HOURS OF GRILLING I GUESS THEY NEED TO BUILD BUILDINGS OUT OF THE SAME MATERIALS AS THE GAS GRILLS HA HA HA
February 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
That building didn’t collapse because it wasn’t Jet Fuel which set it ablaze. So the theories of conspiracy about 9/11 are all ridiculous. Take of the tin hats and put on the new and improved FEMA hats. Trust us, its all gonna be ok
We would never lie to you, EVER.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
WTC conspiracy deniers unite, Your karma has come back to show your true foolishness. Nothing that a couple trillon dollers won’t fix next week. How long will you last, until the sheep run out of food, and patience.
P.S. Must not have been any Chinese lead in that building or it would have melted. All the lead has been diverted to Gaza for Operation Castlead, a Zionist party. The rest going into the sheeps toyboxes around the world. No conspiracy there only coincidence.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
No doubt at all from Australia: the towers and building No 7 were “blown up”. That simply means; leaving aside fo a moment all the “alleged hijackings”, planes, no plane or Pentagon little hole etc, that somone murdered those who would otherwise have been rescued from the towers and also murdered all the fireman and other rescuers etc who were in the towers when somone blew them up. That is murder in any language and the US should get its act together and go find the mass murderers now. To knowingly attempt to protect and/or cover up the mass murders is also a crime, so US what are you going to do about those people? Probably nothing as usual.
I would start by looking at 911blogger.com for a few minutes each day. Try also a search of; “the five dancing Israelis” being of some interest, be it to understand how some people just love seeing and celebrating people being murdered (loved Gaza) on the one hand and with the other screw billions of dollars from you poor tax paying suckers with the full support of over 90% of your represenatives in Congress that you poor suckers put their.
Really quite funy if you think about it for awhile.
By the way, one reasonable theory on 9/11 is that it was thought up by Bankers in about 1998 (before Bush nominated) to cover up ongoing investigations of gold bullion laundering. To achieve their objects they brought in various other groups each of whom had their own interest/agenda in seeing the event happen. {do a search on E Heidner..The 911 Commision Report December 2008 edition at scribd, see also the 2 collateral damage reports)}
February 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Arguing with the “fire caused collapse of three buildings at WTC” 9/11 believers is like being an atheist or an agnostic and arguing with fundamentalist Christians. You’ll never change their minds. The NIST report is THE HOLY BIBLE, THE WORD OF GAWD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....amp;fmt=18
February 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
The trolls are out today.
pissed in canada Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Trolls come to debunk 9/11 truth in tenfold as they know it is the catylising event that woke the people up. Government attempted a 1950 style opperation in 2001 and thought that they could cover all the angles, litttle do they know that they empowered us with the weapons to expose them, those being the internet and various media recording devices that fit in the palm of your hand. They never expected information to spread so viraly throught the internet. A bunch of dried up ole douche bags living in the 1950’s.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
I worked in 7 WTC for 5+ years and worked in 2 WTC on 9/11. First, I am not a government shill. 7 WTC collapsed because of the way it was designed. If you had ever been in the lobby (and believe me I was there while I suspect the author of the article and the majority of the posters here never had been to the building) you would have recalled that it was a vast open space with two main support columns fronting Cortlandt Street. Given the structual damage and the uncontrolled fire brought the building down. You also had, thousands of gallons of fuel stored on the premises. Those espousing conspiracy theories have not examined the science. Comparing the hotel fire to 7WTC is apples vs. oranges. Your article states that the building (7WTC) was structually reinforced? Where did you get that information from. Who were the people who allegedly heard the sounds of explosions? Were they standing near ground zero after the towers had collapsed? Or maybe they were right next to 7WTC watching it burn? Give me a break. My advice to you conspiracy nuts…..Go out get a real paying job, start a family and stick with the Kennedy assasination if you want to rant about theories. Guess what? The world is not about to end and Nostradamous was wrong. Get real lives and keep your twisted fantasies to yourselves.
Live Free Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
9/11 reality check-
First, you are a Government shill, whether willingly or not. Second- even if what you say is true (and obviously the fact that you schlepped around WTC7 for 5+ years, presumably working for the Government makes you an expert on structural engineering, demolitions, commercial architecture as well as HISTORY) how does your expert insight explain the fact that THE TWIN TOWERS FELL THE EXACT SAME WAY- MAKING 3 BUILDINGS IN TOTAL. Well, I guess when you’ve been brainwashed by your yuppie lifestyle and spend all your time worshiping the government you don’t need to spend time researching the TRUTH or actual FACTS- just come to your own conclusions based on your narrow and limited experience and act like some kind of expert (oooh I worked in WTC7 I know what happened you people are all stupid)
The “conspiracy nuts” you mention are the only ones who are actually paying attention to what is going on while idiots like you snicker and suck your thumb like you know something. Now go back to your yuppie hole and get all your friends together for group worship of your new supreme leader, Barry Zbrinksi Obama before he leads you to slaughter. GROW SOME BALLS
pissed in canada Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
actually they don’t even need to get their own conclusions as you said live free, they just swallow the conclusions fed to them by the trusworthy main stream media. That removes all necessity to think.
D Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
9/11 reality check says “Your article states that the building (7WTC) was structually reinforced? Where did you get that information?”
Hahahaha! what a retard you are! How about the Building Code? Even little houses require structural engineering dipwad. Perhaps you should retire your brain.
Better yet say this outloud severall times “I am sofa king, we tod did.”
February 9th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
You bums got me so mad. It was Vessey Street.
Native New Yorker Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Um… that’s spelled “Vesey”
February 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Im sure going to higher the Chinese to build my towers
February 9th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Yes the trolls are out. Let’s review some of their basic beliefs…The Government would never kill any of its own citizens, never cover up any crimes, never break any laws, never invade countries illegally for profit, never lie to the people, never support crooked corporations or bail them out after they had stolen billions if not trillions of dollars from the people, never take taxpayer money and give it to the wealthy, never take taxpayer money and give it to foreign interests…..blah blah blah.
The trolls are just that…trolls. No brains, no creative thinking, just brainwashed brutes with inflated egos who think they are demi-gods because they can call themselves “Americans.” So to ye trolls, leave the Truth and the coming revolution to the true Patriots who love this country and the Constitution it was founded on. You stay home and keep watching American Idol eating your troll snacks consisting of the blood of the innocent who have fallen due to the crimes of a corrupt government and its trollish army.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
My, my, PJ Watson and Prison Planet are certainly eager to display their desperation. It’s hard to imagine such an amateur pronouncing judgment on structural engineering and an event with which he has absolutely no information. Not even the fact that structural engineers and architects may have learned something about building construction from the data and recommendations produced by the NIST investigations of WTC 1, 2 and 7.
But, as always, frauds and charlatans like PJ Watson know they can always pull the wool over the eyes of their gullible flock of 9/11 Truthers.
Press on regardless, PJ Watson.
pissed in canada Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
LMAO, your a fuckin idiot, the NYST recommendations just came out and i’m sure this building wasn’t constructed 5 minutes ago much less engineered before the findings, that is the stupidest argument i’ve ever heard in my life. They really need to get better disinfo agents cause you guys are pathetic, my 4.5 year old daughter could come up with better arguments than you guys and at least she’s cute. This is honestly the most pathetic attempt at disinfo i’ve seen so far.
b. j. edwards Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I love how you 9/11 Deniers frolic in your paranoia. You think it’s perfectly rational for an incompetent with no structural engineering credentials to pull the wool over your eyes and make a comparison between two dissimilar construction techniques to maintain your incredibly stupid fantasy that WTC 7 should not have fallen.
Tell me, pissed in canada, do you enjoy advertising your arrogant stupidity?
Now start here: http://www.gulfconstructionwor.....icle=10156, and then get back to me with your apology.
pissed in canada Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am
your dumb, that article only talks about the TVCC and CTVV buildings you idiot, stop trying to marry together things from other buildings. And furthermore, the fact that they are using external zync reinforced panelling doesn’t mean much to the total load bearing capacity of the steel framed interior. I think you need to look at details closer before you jump out with these stupid claims. Fact is that the only buildings to ever collapse due to fire were WTC 1,2 and 7. You could argue that WTC1 and 2 collapsed due to design flaw as they were identical, but to throw in a collapse for #7 that would be highly unlikely. The fact is that 3 steel structured buildings collapsed due to minimal fires on september 11th which a government used as a pretext to launch wars against enemies that don’t exist.
If you look at the fact that no terrorist attacks followed the september 11th, that alone proves it was not “islamic fundamentist”. They are not stupid, after sept 11th they could have easily sent in a lone gunman the day the airports reopened and just sent him on a suicide shooting spree and the entire aviation sector would have shut down for another week. They could’ve just continued this tactic until the US economy would have completely collapsed but low and behold this did not occur. There have been NO terrorist attacks on american soil since. Don’t even try to say it’s because security is better because that is absurd. Your just an idiot or a shill.
Again, ignorance can be fixed but stupid is forever. Which categorie do you fall under???
D Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Ya sure, perhaps the government stimulus plan should include structurally reinforcing/adding more fire protection into all buildings built to date. Boy that would be good for my buisness. But has that been mentioned in the stimulus bill? Of course not, because they know that most buildings, built and inspected according to building codes are sufficient the way they are and need no more upgrades. Like all the other brainwashed trolls here, you make no sense at all.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
shhh don’t tell the Jews!
February 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Of course it did not collapse as The US Government did not wire it with explosives like they did both WTC buildings.. Anyone can figure that out , hell even Prez uh Dunce Obama can see that..
February 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
I believe that this is proof that thermal expansion is debumked. I saw a video of a ww2 bomber that got lost in a fog over New York and hit the Empire State building. It is still standing, so I say debunked also.
Maybe if we get the Mythbusters to do a show on thermal expansion.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
UncleSam is trying to confuse a truss. Metal trusses often fail from fire. They are covered with fire proofing and can be seen for example in car parks when you look at the ceiling. What is not covered in fireproofing is actual metal beam structure used to create a large building’s main structure.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
“UNCLE SAM”….you are an IDIOT!
Monocoat my ass…ever hear of NanoThermate dikhead?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
The metal main large beam structure does not require fire proofing as it’s a lot larger and stronger than the thin trusses that simply support ceilings UncleSam is trying to confuse you with. A total shill.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Thank you for the comparison, Mr. Watson. It is another tidbit on the mountain of evidence that the trade center buildings collapsed by intentional demolition. Of course, if someone is blind, they won’t be able to see it.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
There has never been a steel-framed building collapse into it’s own footprints due to fire…before or after 9-11. period.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
50% of America believes UFOS are aliens.
90% believe the government is hiding something about UFOs
Gulf of Tonkin was fraudulent.
The Mexican military publicly announced its own encounter with multiple UFOs in January.
Why is it hard to believe the US government was capable of 9/11? The US government is not mine or your government. — debunkers are a disengenious sort. They fail to look at precident.
Plus, Watson’s logical fallacy falls to the wayside when one considers the amount of fires in steel constructed buildings that do not collapse the building into its own footprint.
TERUTH BOMBDED!
February 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Chinese buildings are supposed to be of inferior quality compared to American buildings. They don’t have the same building codes like it is the US, yet the Chinese building didn’t collapse when it was engulfed by fire. WTC 7 collapsed so easily from less comparable fires. Does this say that American buildings are inferior to American ones? I don’t think so. It says that the government has been feeding everyone Bullshit for over 7 years. And I’m tired of eating Bullshit.
GOD DANG Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
i hope you read this ” YOU ARE A DUMBASS AND MAKE NO SENSE”
February 9th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
9/11 was an inside job
Get it in your head and move on to the revolution.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
http://ln-s.net/2plt
February 9th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I love the timing of this, just shows all those idiots that fire does in fact, not have the heat characteristics to melt reinforced steel and concrete.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
It’s so easy to twist your guys logic. Heres some for you.
ALEX JONES has 9 letters.
A+L+E+X+ J+O+N+E+S with each letter subbed for the corresponding number = 105. 105/9 Letters in his name =11.6. Drop the 0.6 and we end up with 11. 9/11. Guess that means Alex Jones was in on 9/11.
J+O+N+E+S = 63 divided by 9 letters in his name is 7. Could this imply he was involved in the 7/7 attacks too? I’ll leave this one up to the readers to decide.
Also, did you know that PRISON PLANET is an Anagram for “Replants In Op”. This would imply to me that Alex Jones is a “Replant” of the CIA in Opeartion. This must be so his secret NWO master handlers know where to find him.
INFOWAR is an Anagram for “NWO FAIR” or “FAIR NWO”.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Oh come on guys stop the conspiracy rubbish. I live in Chaoyang, Beijing half a KM away from where this fire is happening. You can not compare the twin towers to this one.
1. The chemical compounds used in the steel are different than what was used in the 1970s.
2. Since the 1970’s designs are different for skyscrapers built in 90s and now.
3. After 911 many changes were made to the internal structural design by the company building it so collapse would not happen.
4. Take a 747 and fly it into this building and it would also come down.
When the twin towers were hit the Beijing government on March 2st, 2002 at the NPC Congress announced they were even thinking of scraping the idea of building it. It went ahead anyway due the Olympic Games held in August 2008.
Someone wrote:Chinese buildings are supposed to be of inferior quality compared to American buildings. They don’t have the same building codes like it is the US, yet the Chinese building didn’t collapse when it was engulfed by fire.
1. Have you been to China? Do you know that only cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou have the same building codes as the US. This only accounts for less than 3% of the country. If this had happened let’s say in Dalian, Hangzhou it would have come down in no time.
2. The building codes in 1st tier cities in China have “carbon copy” building codes of that of the us. 2nd and 3rd tier cities have building codes that date back to the late 60’s and early 70’s.
3. Do you remember the earthquake that hit china a few months ago? In Japan, Taiwan, and in parts of the US where earthquakes are common, the buildings would have survived.
4. Construction in over 95% of China sucks. It’s only in important cities where codes are high.
5. The only buildings that have high building codes outside the 1st tier cities are ones built as CPC (Communist Party Of China) provincial headquarters.
I find it amazing that something like this and people would bring up all this conspiracy poop.
D Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
For one thing, the article is comparing WTC 7 with the Bejing building not the twin towers. WTC7 was a steel moment framed building, not like the twin towers. The WTC 7 was built later in 1987 NOT in the 70’s. And it used the conventional moment resisting steel framing system, as used in most modern buildings to this day. You cannot compare earthquake design to fire design…it’s apples to oranges. One has to do with lateral loads for earthquakes and the other has to do with fire protection ie; fire barriers, coatings and sprinkler systems.
Fire protection systems have not changed enough in the new codes to make the difference between a building withstanding complete structural failure and succumbing to it. That is where you are wrong and that is why only 3 steel framed high rises have ever completely collapsed in modern history and guess where? You got it my friend, at the WTC on 9/11!
February 9th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
There are a lot of gullible 9/11 Deniers here for Prison Planet to prey on.
It just goes to prove once again that one can never underestimate the intelligence of 9/11 Truthers.
You truthers are one sad, uneducated lot.
Keith Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
To many people here have to much time on their hands. Maybe they should become script writers for Dr. Who. hehehe
February 9th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
EVERYONE KNOWS BUILDING ONLY FALL DUE TO FIRES ON 9-11 … IT’S A SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Steve Williams Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Quite possibly! If it had happened on Sept 10 or Sept 12, the buildings probably would have remained standing. By gollies, you may have indeed solved the puzzle!
February 9th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
wow looks like the same people are just posting alot of disinfo under various handles as to differ from people reading genuine topics, i love how the disinfo increase tenfold when anything referencing 9/11 comes up.
Steve Williams Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 3:28 am
Ain’t it the truth? The disinfo agents are basically saying, “Believe what you are told. Do not think, do not think, do not think…”
None of them say, “Hey, I personally believe the NIST explanation, but let’s have a proper homicide crime investigation like there should have been done in the first place anyway so everyone can know the truth.”
They’re very suspicious. When someone doesn’t say, “Hey, let’s know the truth!” something totally wrong is going on.
b. j. edwards Reply:
February 14th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Indeed, you believe what a handful of politically motivated 9/11 Truthers tell you because it fits your world view while rejecting every bit of independent evidence you find inconvenient and contrary to your desired outcome.
We have decades of history of Holocaust Deniers doing the same thing with the Holocaust that you are doing with 9/11. You shouldn’t be surprised that you get the derision you earned.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Have you seen the planet Venus in the sky she is burning bright! The dog star as she climbs the pyramids and becomes the capstone the all seeing eye for the world to see. Who ever has this knowledge has power and my he use it to serve his will!
pissed in canada Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
yup, go and worship that cube in meca, or maybe you can join the cult of the rising sun and finish preperation for that coming entity that has in the plans for a few millenia. Either New World Order is a shill or he is actually just trying to show us that there is a NWO by posing as one with their ideologies.
Keith Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Just loonies!
February 9th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
your videos aren’t playing right now at http://www.bollyn.info/article.....behind911/
is this a bandwidth or a spook-pressure issue?
very informative page. thanks!
February 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
You are basically correct. It was the PNAC (Bush and company) with Mossad help. No one plays Arab terrorists better than the Mossad, not even real Arabs. The Mossad motto is “waging war thru deception”, course a few murders along they never slowed them down, like the GIs killed in the German disco bombing that prompted Reagan to bomb Libya.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Listen all you crazies that believe our government attacked our own buildings, FUCK YOU. MAybe our inept government didn’t protect us and our not giving us the full story but for someone who has lived in NYC and visited 9/11 as well as a noted professor on the subject, I have to say you are incredibly wrong and you are holding your agenda back by having this pathetic view. Obviously none of you have studied structural engineering or architecture.
Steve Williams Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 3:43 am
Yes we have. Over 7 years and with a whole lot of study and investigation, quite a few of us have become rather knowlegeable. Since the corrupt city, state, federal goverments refused to investigate, we did it ourseves.
b. j. edwards Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
And you determined the Moon is made of cream cheese. Good work.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Im sure all you 9/11 truthers are thinking “I guess the demolotionist timed their bombs wrong, the planes were supposed to be their tomorrow morning.”
February 9th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
The monocoat may have done something to protect all the buildings on 9/11 if only that pesky thermate weren’t involved… (see Steven Jone’s info. on the subject)
February 9th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Please seek psychiatric help. You desperately need it. I am not kidding. This is just sad.
pissed in canada Reply:
February 9th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
please seek a hammer so you can hit yourself on the head and maybe… just maybe, you will come out of your hypnotic zombie state and see what is right in front of you. Ignorance can be fixed but stupid is forever. Which category do you fall under???
February 9th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
The Global “Elite” have billions if not trillions of your hard earned tax dollars and their fake fiat money at their disposal for the sole purpose of enslaving us all… Yes, they’re using YOUR money to keep you in bondage!
It’s time to push back as a single united force for humanity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uns4n_Rd1do
February 9th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
it was MILITARY TERMITE, toxic and faster =)
(an Italian documentary says that a survivor toke some dust of the towers and the termite has another ingredient that makes it more dangerous)
February 9th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
You will never convince a person who only excepts info from Corporate Sources. Authority is Truth rather than Truth is the Authority. Yep its pretty sad that when we have are next nail in the coffin false flag attack they will blame whoever they are told to blame…Iran perhaps ?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
“Alex Jones Said Arabs Run Hollywood! LOL” is Eric “Nazi” Hufscmid or one of his friends.
Hmm, is that why he hates Alex Jones so much?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Now, it is time to find out your identity, you Jew-hating psycho!
February 10th, 2009 at 12:22 am
America First. Israel did 9/11. It is the enemy of the USA.
anti zionist Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 12:41 am
Roslyn has a brain.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:06 am
The best thing anyone can do is spread the word. Once someone gets scared, they start to think. Once someone has a single question that has to be answered, they will have many more shortly after. I’m with you guys
February 10th, 2009 at 2:10 am
And the reasons why that building didn’t collapse , is it doesn’t have fresh Atlantic air like in New York city , this was the critial factor in the collapse of WTC7 , top secret documents from CIA !! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Lets believe the Nist report. Now Demolition crews just have to go and place explosives on say 5 floors anywhere in the top third of the building. Blow them out and the remaining top third will pulverise the bottom third (completely untouched by fire or planes) and will not fall sideways. And the top third will not pulverise itself until it hits bottom. Demolition companies should read the Nist report and save themselves millions on the old every few floors and basement method.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:46 am
Fire proofing will not save a building from internal demolition charges. anybody with eyes and a normally functioning brain can see that those buildings were purposely imploded and no amount of time spent being tortured by inner party member obrien would change the fact that 2+2=4.
February 10th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Here is the proof that aliens did 9/11 with help from the lizard cabal.
Warning! Video contains graphic nudity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
February 10th, 2009 at 4:26 am
I’m surprised that no one has mentioned this yet, but the solution to the problem is clear:
From now on, the only contractors that should be allowed to build high-rise or skyscraper-type building are the Chinese because apparently they are the only people smart enough to know how to construct a ‘fire-proof’ design that won’t collapse into itself. All American architects and contractors should be forced to take a course from the Chinese to know how to prevent another WTC7 from taking place.
Right?
February 10th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Anyone with an open mind would see that this was the work of the satanic jews.
The jews are children of the devil according to jesus and his friends!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss3G-lTIqkc
The view count has been suppressed for a long time
but we all know that google is under mossad/jewish control
February 10th, 2009 at 4:52 am
This is what Benjamin Fulford has to say so the Rothschild crime empire and their butt boy Obama are planning to crash the US economy and kill off Americans by starvation and FEMA martial law. This will end in nuclar war and Israel, at least, will disappear from the earth a long with the rest of us. No other way to cleanse the world of this evil clique.
“The discussions on a new financial system have failed
The US Treasury Secretary is supposed to announce a plan for the financial system on February 10th. That is the third time the announcement has been delayed. Our sources are telling us discussions about a new financial system have failed and whatever is announced in the US will not be a real solution. If things continue this way the United States will be bankrupt by this summer.
Bloomberg news has calculated that with the new stimulus plan added in, the US government has thrown 9.7 trillion dollars at the problem since September of 2008.
That is enough money, the calculate, to give $1430 to every man woman and child on earth or else pay off over 90% of all outstanding US mortgages.Despite this, 19 million US homes are vacant now and the real unemployment rate in the US has reached 18%. The amount of ships visiting US ports has fallen by over 17% from the previous month in both December and January. Trade with the US and Europe is grinding to a halt.
The Telegraph reports the latest financial plan involves money from “the alternative asset industry,” which we presume the owners of the Fed and the BIS (the Rothschilds and their “family”) are going to “lend” to the American people some of the money they stole. However since both the US and UK have very little primary, secondary or tertiary industry to speak of, creating extra zeroes on bank computers is not going to change that reality.
A source connected to the UK royal family insists these people are still planning a genocidal end-game and that this is what these shenanigans are really all about：Clearly non-enslaved nations of the world will have to unilaterally declare a new currency to replace the dollar and Euro for international transactions if they are to stop these mad murderers. Also, we must not forget that no matter how serious the Western economic crisis seems, the fact is that over 930 million people are now starving. These people could be saved by announcing a new system.”
February 10th, 2009 at 5:20 am
Obviously to anyone looking at this a 747 hit the WTC and the Twin Towers, that dosn’t mean that it wasn’t a plan by the NWO and terrorist. People can talk away terrorist, but just like the NWO there are many evil people in the world and you guys need to admit that terrorist do exist. Terrorist could be linked to NWO too.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:44 am
The building has been designed by Koolhaas’ practice the Office of Metropolitan Architecture, with structural engineering by UK-based firm Arup.
Why has this turned into another 9/11 debate forum? I love how people say they did “research” by watching youtube and reading conspiracy websites….
February 10th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Education for 9/11 Truthers who can’t give up their fantasies:
http://www.gulfconstructionwor.....icle=10156
February 10th, 2009 at 7:33 am
You’re an unbelievable moron with just enough knowledge to get yourself into writing embarrassing internet postings.
February 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
It appears some 9/11 Deniers here are angry because I’m right.
b. j. edwards Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am
God, another newbie in the 9/11 Denial Movement.
After seven years of your pathetic denial, you can’t come up with one iota of evidence to support your claims.
That’s why we make fun of your idiocy. See: http://911booger.blogspot.com/.....ssism.html for more details, bubba.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
pissed in canada compounded his stupidity by writing:
“pissed in canada Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am
your dumb, that article only talks about the TVCC and CTVV buildings you idiot, stop trying to marry together things from other buildings. And furthermore, the fact that they are using external zync reinforced panelling doesn’t mean much to the total load bearing capacity of the steel framed interior. I think you need to look at details closer before you jump out with these stupid claims. Fact is that the only buildings to ever collapse due to fire were WTC 1,2 and 7. You could argue that WTC1 and 2 collapsed due to design flaw as they were identical, but to throw in a collapse for #7 that would be highly unlikely. The fact is that 3 steel structured buildings collapsed due to minimal fires on september 11th which a government used as a pretext to launch wars against enemies that don’t exist.
If you look at the fact that no terrorist attacks followed the september 11th, that alone proves it was not “islamic fundamentist”. They are not stupid, after sept 11th they could have easily sent in a lone gunman the day the airports reopened and just sent him on a suicide shooting spree and the entire aviation sector would have shut down for another week. They could’ve just continued this tactic until the US economy would have completely collapsed but low and behold this did not occur. There have been NO terrorist attacks on american soil since. Don’t even try to say it’s because security is better because that is absurd. Your just an idiot or a shill.
Again, ignorance can be fixed but stupid is forever. Which categorie do you fall under???”
I’m afraid you’ll have to face the fact that you fall under “stupid is forever.” When you go around repeating meaningless statements like: “Fact is that the only buildings to ever collapse due to fire were WTC 1,2 and 7″ and completely ignore the antecedents to the collapses, you forgo any claim of rationality.
You know, sonny, you 9/11 Deniers have spent seven years repeating nonsense. You don’t get it. You have nothing to take to court. You have utterly failed to support a single claim with evidence. You have no critical thinking skills and you are determined not to learn any.
You would do well to stop embarrassing yourself so blatantly and proudly and get an education. You can start here:
“On the Truth Movement and Irreducible Delusion.”
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=118389
pissed in canada Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Thanks for waisting an hour of my time. That article tried to use alot of fancy terminologie to make it sound intelligent, the fact of the matter is that i completely read all of it but the whole thesis is highly flawed. It is also biased. The same types of arguments could be presented against the official story so again it becomes a mute argument. Nice try buddy, i’ll keep the tin foiled hat on for now. I’ve seen first hand corruption in every facet of society. There is more evil than good on this planet and i don’t think are government wants to get all lovey dovey with us. They want to put a bullet in the back of our heads and put us in a shallow grave.
b. j. edwards Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Thanks for illustrating my case so well, pic.
As I said, one can never underestimate the intelligence of a 9/11 Truther.
February 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I hope you all get aids
February 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
The Truth of 911 is along the lines of surveillance/inside information, which led to “Knowing It Was Coming.” The latter was followed up with covert actions that would “Enhance the Outcome.” Standing Down (just long enough) during the occurrence further assured a guarantee of success.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k4B6C60an0
pissed in canada Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
yup, weither it was just planes or bombs or whatever, it all reaks of government involvement. We know that governments use crisis as a way to further their agenda’s. They have admitted to these tactics time and time again. When you see a crisis where they offer a solution that leads to a deeper crisis, you always need to ask yourself who benefits. The fact that the 9/11 report does not mention the WTC 7 is proof alone that they are covering things up. Had they not been covering up, the commision report would have been transparent and run by people who did not have close personal and business relations with the government. Truth is truth. There are no gray areas, 2 + 2 = 4 and if it doesn’t for some reason, you need to really look at those who are trying to make you believe that the answer is 5. What are their motives for wanting you to believe a lie?
February 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
“retardant used for metal and concrete.”
I didn’t know there were many problems with concrete and steel catching fire?
Keep in mind too – other than the WTC buildings – fire has NEVER brought down any other steel framed skyscrapers – ever.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Caracas Tower Fire
The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.
Lax enforcement of fire codes in Venezuela was blamed for the malfunctioning of water pumps and a lack of fire extinguishers inside of the building. Because the building was empty when the fire broke out, no civilians were killed or injured.
Here’s more — http://911research.wtc7.net/wt.....fires.html
February 10th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
More?
http://www.danwei.org/featured.....n_fire.php
So.. if fire can take down a skyscraper – find just ONE example outside of the WTC buildings – good luck.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
1) The fact that “excercises” that just happened to be 100% accurate to the detailes of the actual events happening on September 11th could have been a coincidence.
2) The fact that noone (allegedly) knew what was “real” and what was “drill” could also have been coincidence.
3) The fact that they didn’t scramble fighters on this SINGLE DAY according to decades of prior scrambles in far less obviously threatening situations, well…it COULD have been a coincidence?
4) The fact that it is moving into 8 years without a serious, conclusive investigation, where within the same timeframe after Pearl Harbor–when the world KNEW the Japanese bombed the harbour–there had already bee at least 7 separate investigations…uhmm…coincidence?
5) The fact that 3 steel-framed structures fell after minor fires….coincidence.
6) The fact that they fell on the same day…coincidence.
7) The fact that they were all overinsured…coincidence.
9) The “apparrent explosions” before and during the moments in which the towers fell…coincidence.
10) The “accidental admission” that at least 1 of those buildings was “pulled”…coincidence.
11) The fact that not a single “terrorist event” has occurred since September 11th, 2001 on US soil…coincidence. (Bush takes credit for that, of course, but we all know that since there was no threat before that event, and they have no evidence leading to any “foreign actors”, and they have absolutely no intention of further investigating any “domestic links” whatsoever…uhmmm…coincidence?)
OK, taking the FACTS one by one, almost everything can be discredited in whole or in part…but only a complete moron could honestly believe that such a huge series of “coincidences” would occurr without a long, detailed, and practised plan being put in place long before the event.
The fact that there will be no new investigation, despite the fact that just about every intelligent person on the fact of the planet (other than those who profited from it) want to know the truth…I’m sure that is just a coincidence. d;^)
February 10th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
While many are citing this fire as proof that WTC7 could not have collapsed as a result purely of fire, please know that WTC7 had a very unusual truss on the lower floors in the vicinity of a large tank of diesel fuel and a electrical substation. It was the failure of this truss that caused the building to come down. Had the sprinkler system been operational, that would not have happened. I would not conclude anything else. There are other buldings that have remained standing after long fires (1 Meridian Plaza and First Interstate Bank). Please do your research before posting. I am a fire protection engineer and have studied these fires intimately.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Body parts do not get ejected hundreds of feet and land on other buildings’ rooftops from a non-explosive collapse. Neither do steel beams. Truss failure or not, when you put all the facts together, it does not add up to anything akin to the “pat answer” that NIST released.
Surely it can’t be so difficult for people to understand the very simple fact that the truth is the truth, and it will always be the truth, no matter how many people refuse to believe it.
Just the same, no matter how many times a lie is told, no matter how forcefully it is upheld as the truth, a lie will always be a lie…no matter how many people believe it.
In all cases, the truth DOES eventually come to the surface…it’s only a matter of time.
February 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Mr. Electro-Pig,
I was there. I saw the 2nd plane hit. I know body parts flew all over because I worked with a nearby hotel during cleanup and the building engineer spoke about what landed on his roof. The power of the planes hitting the building shoved a whole heck of a lot of contents, including people out of the building. The planes also stripped plenty of fireproofing off of the structural members. Do any of you happen to know how much fire proofing needs to be stripped off a beam to compromise its strength during a fire. I do. I’ve read plenty of papers on the subects. It takes only removing a piece a couple of inches in diameter. Have any of you studied fireproofing? Have you surveyed buildings and made observations about it? I have in Aon Center, a tower in Chicago modeled after the design of the WTC. I have nothing to gain by talking about this. I don’t have a website that all of you just have to visit. I am just an engineer who knows better about this particular subject that ElectroPig and others.
Please put those imaginations to use on something productive.
George Emerson
While I happen to love a good conspiracy, I also happen to have the credentials to filter fact from fiction. I model fire. The
February 10th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
So the cinese bulding didn’t fall. But the whole and only Silverstein complex, WTC, did?
No matter how hard I’ve tried to belive the official story, during my 8 years of looking at it, I haven’t been able to see any clips or pictures that back it up.
Explosions are the agenda, not fires.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
By the way, I also worked on the insurance case involving Silverstein. I pored over every photo available and video as well. I know it does not matter to someone who wants to believe otherwise but if you had been there, you might be willing to agree with me.
You look at the Madarin Hotel and you wonder why it did not collapse but you don’t think about how much of the structure was damaged by the planes. There was a bad fire in the WTC in 1975 which caused the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the entity that built the WTC, to decide to install sprinklers. The building did not fall down from that fire, which consumed most of a floor and part of anther. And the fireproofing was in place then, an asbestos based product that was later replaced by non-asbestos containing fireproofing.
The Mandarin Hotel likely had most, if not all of the structure fireproofed and there was no damage to the structure from a plane impact.
As for WTC7, the collapse of the adjacent towers destroyed the underground mains that carried the water to the sprinkler system in the building. The fire department actually had to use fireboats to supply hoses in the hotel I mentioned in an earlier post. What you had with WTC7 was a combination of failures combined with poor judgment in the design phase. That poor judgment would never have been an issue if the water supply was operational. There was also likely some damage to the building that was never captured. We have only a few photos (shown above) and nothing else. The area had been cleared of most people and, while the NYFD knew WTC7 was burning, they were unable to fight it and dealing with a lot of other issue (remember they had just lost 342 of their brethren, more than the entire US loses in firefighters in the course of a year).
I will leave you guys with one thought. Since when does our beloved government do anything well? I worked for 4 years for the government and got out before I was permanently turned into a beaurocrat. I saw the inefficiency and the poor decision making skills. Look at Washington today; they can;t tell you which end is up on the “financial crisis” which is something they themselves fostered. Now the bumbles that created the mess are telling us how it should be fixed. Like I said before, direct your energy to something more productive. This fallen world needs a helping hand.
George
February 11th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Chris write for all to see:
“im sorry, i assumed you would come back with at least a semi-intelligent response. instead you post a 911booger link. im sorry i assumed you were capable of rational thought and not just typical attacks. my fault. keep on blindly trusting the likes of Philip Zelikow. thats not gullible at all. can you pick up on sarcasm online?”
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You missed the point, Chris. One cannot have an intelligent conversation with you 9/11 Deniers any more than one can have an intelligent conversation with Creationists, flat-earth believers, moon-landing deniers, or Holocaust Deniers.
You chose out of your own free to be a denier, never questioning the sources or irrationality of what you want to believe. You chose to marginalize yourself.
For that, you have earned nothing but the derision you get.
b. j. edwards Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Indeed, you are a CLASSIC 9/11 Denier, Chris. Look how much you are making a fool of yourself buying into the nonsense that only the gullible like you can.
We rational people laugh at your notion that ALL our information just comes from “6 companies that own our media and our corrupt politicians.” What utter, puerile nonsense that even a junior high school kid knows is laughable.
And you sit here and believe what the fraud and consummate charlatan, Paul J. Watson is feeding you about the China hotel fire.
There is only one questions for you, Chris. How can you POSSIBLY be so gullible and stupid?
February 12th, 2009 at 6:06 am
haze ANYONE here seen this?!
http://video.google.com/videop.....7743189197
i dont know about you all…
but this particular breakdown appears to have ALL of their bases covered…
February 12th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
WTC 7 vs. the Mandarin Hotel and Madrid scyscraper is like an apple vs. 2 oranges. Neither the Chinese nor Spanish buildings had tons of debris fall on their heads like WTC 7 did from its taller twin tower cousins across the street. It’s the debris that killed it, not the fires and it took most of the day to collapse, not 7 seconds.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
hmmm 40 million given out in the bailout for positive propaganda (spin) how many of u r on that payrole . just remember not 1 camel will make it through the eye of the needle the truth shal set u free