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Flight 11 Picked Up South of WTC By NEADS Controllers at 8:47
9/11 Blogger
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
I was going back through the NEADS tapes we released in 2007 and discovered something a little strange …
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 4 ID Op
08:46:15: New York told me to hold on, you heard that, right?
08:46:36: Come on New York. (Dooley again) You know what, you know what, let’s
get a tail number off of for American 11. (Roundtree) Call Boston, American 11 tail
number. (Dooley) Tell them we need the tail number of the aircraft, (male voice)
American one one. (Roundtree to New York) Yes it is, (right now he’s primary only.)
Do you have Mode 3 or anything? Or a location? (Fm not showing anything, no.) Lat
Ion? (Hold on, I’ll get a lat lon.) Good.
NORTH TOWER IS STRUCK AT 8:46:48.
08:47:05: (Dooley?) We’re going to get an updated lat Ion now. (to background
question) We called Boston his filed one [Mode 3] was 1443, but he’s not working that,
he’s primary only, we’re getting an updated lat Ion position. (I’m showing 40 39 North.)
40 39 North. (74 03 West) 74 03 West.
08:47:35: End of HUNTRESS call to NY AMIS
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If you input that Lat/Long into Google Maps …
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You get an airspace 2.5 South of the WTC, on the EXACT trajectory Flight 11 would have taken.
So, NEADS picked up Flight 11 2.5 miles south of the WTC by primary radar at 8:47, less than a minute after it allegedly hit the North Tower.
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Does anyone else see a problem here?
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June 10th, 2009 at 5:58 am
HMMMMMMMM….. What was it doing there???????
Reconmarrine hiding under the bed Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Ok, it isn’t really me, reconmarrine here. I’m just making fun of him, laughing at him and taking notice of his absence on this thread.
Since the ultimate sissy boy NEVER EVER misses a chance to show up on a PP thread dealing with 911 truth………..his absence is noteworthy.
But to be fair to him, he may not be hiding under his bed. He could be in the basement or hiding under his mothers skirt, or maybe he is getting some luv from his Ann Coulter blow up doll? Well it is all a bit of a mystery. Where are you recon?
PS great fact checking and work by 911blogger.
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Im here!
Im the ultimate sissy? The one who has challenged ANYONE here to debate me on the radio and then post the debate back on this thread? NOBODY has accepted the challenge by the way…..
So, regarding the story, whats the big issue here? The plane was going 500MPH and was 2.5 miles away from its target when the last triangulated position was sent back….
Whats the margin of error on these machines? How often do they send out grid locations?
This story doesn’t mean jack shit.
TorturedByLies Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
RM – FYI – The distance was about 7.5 miles. The location 40 39 North -74 03 West is over Staten Island. Would that change the calculation?
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I just looked at the map linked above.
Who cares? If it was an inside job then they would have only released perfect details from flight data recorders.
Over here in real life, flight instruments have a margin of error and this is what is most liekly what is being displayed, if anything, in this NON story
What? Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
OKAY RETARD MARINE, I HAVE READ YOUR SPEW IN THIS COLUMN AND FIND YOU EITHER VERY IGNORANT OR VERY PAID OFF.
THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE THAT THE US GOVERNMENT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT WAS THAT NO JETS HAD BEEN SCRAMBLED….. ARE YOU A COMPLETE IDIOT?
NO PLANE GO ANYWHERE NEAR THAT AIRSPACE, NOT EVEN A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE.
YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCOMPETANT RM.
GO BACK TO BLOWING CHANEY AND KILLING AFGANS SO HE CAN GET HIS OIL PIPELINE THROUGH THE “TERRORIST AREA” ….
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON THIS COUNTRY IS GOING WHERE ITS GOING.
reconmarine Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:10 am
What- So, when jets wern’t scrambled to hit the drunk pilot who crashed his stolen cesna on the white house lawn, was that an inside job too?
Kim Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Reconmarine, so just ring the PP phone in line say you disagree and you go to the head of the line. You say you’ll debate ANYONE and we’d love to hear you talk the talk.
Front up.
reconmarine Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Ive never listened to the program.
Ill give it a shot.
Did you just say Front up? What the fuck does that mean?
Is English your native language?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:16 am
This is good stuff here. Very nice.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
500MPH * 5280 = 2,640,000 feet per hour | Calculate feet per hour @500mph
2,640,000 / 60 = 44,000 feet per minute | Calculate feet per min @500 mph
44,000 / 60 = 733 feet per second | Calculate feet per sec @500 mph
5280 * 2.5 = 13,200 | Calculate feet in 2.5 miles
13,200 / 733 = 18 seconds | Calculate seconds to cover 2.5 miles
08:46:48 to 08:47:05 = 17 seconds | Difference in time between impact and last lat lon reading.
eh? kinda neat. but im making assumptions. Was it 500 mph? And did you mean 2.5 miles?
Maybe someone more knowledgeable can play with the numbers better than I can.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:21 am
08:47:05 would be 17 seconds after the building….and the remark 40 39 North. (74 03 West) 74 03 West would have been atleast another 6 seconds with the dialog…
08:47:35 end of dialog 47 seconds…
It is a shame there was no second position account furthur south….a little later on in time…
17 seconds for 2.5 miles would be consistant with 450 miles an hour
23 seconds for 2.5 miles would be consistant with 320 miles an hour
47 seconds for 2.5 miles would be consistant with 200 miles an hour
Would this be consistant with a plane piece that continued on despite of impact?, or what?
scrybe Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:28 am
No idea. But that piece met with resistance so it would be pretty hard to tell.
BornAgainst Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
What resistance??
we all know that the 3 WTC buildings had absolutely no resistance that day during their unique “cold fire melts Steel” freefall at speed of gravity….
are you suggesting they were stronger horizontaly than vertically???
June 10th, 2009 at 6:45 am
passenger aircraft don’t fly 450 or 500mph at low altitude the fluid resistance is too strong
scrybe Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Normally Id agree with you but, they were hijacked….
“The government’s calculations put the speed of the first plane at 494 mph, and the second at 586 mph. The MIT analysis determined the first plane was traveling 429 mph, and the second 537 mph, The Times said.” — per http://911review.org/Wget/www......1989.shtml
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Marion-
Your saying don’t when you should be saying shouldn’t
The same word stretching done with the flight controllers comments about flight 77 flying like a military jet…
More intentional word manipulation to make your story fit……
IT STILL DOESN”T FIT INTO REALITY
krash Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Reconmarine,
Don’t argue with people who further your point! If AA11 didn’t hit the WTC and kept going at 500mph, it would be exactly where this article posits it would be. Point to the conspiracy theorists. If, as Marion hinted at with her comment, the plane didn’t/shouldn’t fly that fast, it WOULDN’T be in the right place 17 seconds later. Her point would debunk the conspiracies.
Also, to unleash my inner grammar/spelling nazi:
“Your saying don’t when you should be saying shouldn’t”
You’re saying “your” when you should be saying “you’re”
June 10th, 2009 at 7:04 am
cant this just be a delay. i.e. a position behind the actual postion by the time he reads it.
scrybe Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I don’t know enough about it, but 17 seconds isn’t that long. I would imagine that their margin of error would be greater than that for safety reasons.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:14 am
The plane was probably continuing on to the CIA cop shop where it was scheduled to be rehabed and returned to the rightful owners. They no doubt provide a paint job and new tail numbers. The big question is how many so called terrorist in American custody around the world are actually passingers off commercial aircrafts used in false flag operations. Power to the corporate Nazi government.
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:48 am
What movie did you just watch?
are you serious?
reconmarine is a dumbass Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
hey reconmarine you are full of $hit, you have nothing but BS to say. all you do is write side commentary on other’s posts. If you know so much and everyone else is wrong, why dont you make your own post relating to the article at hand. you have been brainwashed, think for yourself for once, oh wait you are a marine all you know how to do is follow orders. stop letting fox news tell you what is the “truth”. the bottom line is the government knew about this months in advance and they chose to ignore it. do me a favor smart guy and check out ZEITGEIST AND/OR THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION, they bring up very valid points on why america is in the mess it is now. i know you will just ignore this and respond with some more BS. OPEN YOUR EYES
June 10th, 2009 at 7:21 am
What I find laughable is the stats related to the 9/11 believers of a government conspiracy verses those who believe the rediculous official version. The truth is they are fuging the numbers. I have spoken with hundreds about the subect and only encountered one individual who didn’t beleive with heart and soul that the US government was behind it. They are trying to convince us that we are the minority belief hoping they are not tared and feathered for their treason.
Jim Lunsford Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Why do you think Obama made such a big deal of 9/11 theories in his speech in Cairo? Two years ago, or even one year ago, the official story still held some validity in the public perception. Now, almost no one believes it. Excepting the trolls on this site, that is.
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
He mentioned it NOT because of you dipshits but because he is trying to mend relationships with the Muslim communities. Since the polls show large numbers of them either support the attacks and the high jackers or they think the Israelis did 9/11, he is trying to show them that way of thinking is wrong and those theories are baseless because they listen to Barrack Husein Obama more then George W Bush.
He doesn’t give a fuck about what some whack nutt conspiracy theorists in the US think or say online.
Cherry Marines Suck Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
“he is trying to mend relationships with the Muslim communities.” LOL
Tell that to the Palestinians, dipshit!
reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
The Palestinians who we are trying to get their own state? The ones we send shit loads of Money and aid to? The ones who voted in HAMAS?
OK, yeah, ill go write the Palestinians a letter.
Are you fucking serious?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:40 am
It lends credence to the theory that decoy planes actually hit instead of flight 11 (and 175) as was pointed out in the “In Plane Sight” film and possibly remote controlled. The mysterious Delta plane that landed in Cleveland with 200+ passengers well after the grounding order could also be the people aboard all 4 of the “hijacked” planes. Where they went from there, nobody knows. This looks like big stuff and more Americans than ever are in favor of a new investigation…..DOWN WITH THE NWO…EXECUTE THE PERPS
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
It doesn’t lend credit to shit.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:29 am
What the article is implying if you that are unable to see it is that Flight 11 did not hit the tower….It continued on the exact route…So the question is what hit the tower (I am not saying nothing hit the tower but it was not flight11) and why was ATC not concerned by that Object, plane, drone, missle etc) …. nothing to do with air speed or other distractions etc… wake up…the goverment story is a lie
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:46 am
uhhhh, and the thousands of New York residents that SAW airliners hit? Are they in on it or were they really holograms?
I love it when dumb fucks say it could have been a missile. MISSILES LOOK NOTHING LIKE AIRLINERS!!!!!!!!
there are a few videos of flight 11 hitting. It wasn’t a global hawk or missile or whatever the next stupid theory is…….
SkyBlueEyes Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Take the pilot out of an airliner and you have a missle…missiles come in all shapes and sizes but i am saying it was not FLIGHT 11…
Missile —> an “object” or weapon for throwing, hurling, or shooting, as a stone, bullet, or arrow.
if it had no pilot it was a missile… know you english befofe calling any one dumb
reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
know you english before calling any one dumb………..
So, how do you know flight 11 didnt have a pilot?
Urban Moving Systems Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:58 am
“know you english before calling any one dumb….”-reconmarine
do i need to say anything?
June 10th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I’ve always wondered about the identities of all the passengers – did they really disappear,”die”? I don’t know anyone who even knows anyone who knows anyone who died on any of the planes. I tend to think like a lot of folks they landed safely somewhere and the planes that hit were remote controlled “look-alike drones”.
The biggest mystery is why the public at large has no interest in an independent investigation in spite of the vast amount of discrepancies and way too convenient coincidents on that day.
Urban Moving Systems Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am
remote controlled? your hunch is likely right, please google-”Dov Zakheim,9/11″ and “Dov Zakheim,SPC” for starters. read all about him and his defense ties and Israeli ties. as far as passengers, we dont hear from them in the media too much do we? and in at least one case, Mrs. Burlingame-we have a sister of one of the supposed plane victims who goes around loudly endorsing every facet of the “war on terror” and endorsing Bush etc., meanwhile her brother who died on Flight 77 was ex-military who in fact took part in an exercise years prior to 9/11 which, you guessed it, was about a plane hitting the Pentagon. cant make this shit up. all still more “coincidences” im sure……..
Sui Juris Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I have always asked “where are the websites dedicated to all of the passengers on the planes?”
There are many sites dedicated to the fallen people in the Towers.
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Un fucking believable-
There were over 57 phone calls made from the high jacked planes. Only 2 were cell phone calls so dont recite some bullshit about phones not working. Some of those people got on those planes at the last minute to catch an earlier flight or a later one so don’t talk about voice morphing.
Mr. Burlingames brother DID NOT participate in an exercise at the Pentagon about a plane hitting the their. This story is NOT TRUE and just one more lie you guys tell.
Read about it here- http://www.911myths.com/html/b.....ascal.html
Why dont you guys take 10 minutes to INDEPENDENTLY research this shit? It is easy to find the truth. JUST LOOK!
June 10th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I have no doubt that the planes that hit the WTC towers were not the actual commercial flights. There are no credible eyewitness’ that said they saw an American Airlines or United logo on the planes. The planes were just silver in color, and they both were identical. American flights had a distinctive stripe across the middle. Can’t see it in any still frame or video. Not there, so how could it be an American flight? United planes were two toned, blue on the bottom, gray on top with a blue tail. Neither of the planes that hit the WTC had these markings. Operation Northwoods was a military proposed plot to kidnap/hijack passenger planes, land them at a military base, remove the passengers, and replace the planes with remote controlled aircrafts to crash into targets in false flag terrorist operations. The target at that time was Cuba, but they could just as easily make it the WTC and Pentagon if it would enable them to start wars in the Mideast to expand American/British hegemony over Asia.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Phil… yes those passengers were real people. At this point it can’t be proven if they died or not. But they disappeared. They boarded those planes with no clue what was about to happen to them. My guess is that those planes were intercepted and forced to land somewhere or fly to a far away secret location. They were either shot down over the Atlantic somewhere and crews quickly cleaned up the wreckage, or they landed at a secret base and were disposed of. Can’t imagine why they would keep any of these people alive or imprisoned because eventually the truth would come out. But if you kill them and destroy the evidence it is far less likely anyone will ever discover the truth. It wouldn’t surprise me that certain individuals who were involved with this that carried out executive orders weren’t eventually “disposed” of as well because they knew too much. Then again if you were actually involved in the kidnapping or murder of these people why would you talk? You would want to cover up the crime and your own guilt.
Cherokee Princess Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
That kind of begs the question, though–if you’re going to kill them anyway, why use a “replica” plane? Why not just crash the planes into the towers with the people in them to begin with?
I don’t buy the government’s conspiracy theory, that a bunch of Muslims conspired to crash planes into everything. That much I’m certain of. But how exactly it was pulled off…more questions just keep popping up.
Urban Moving Systems Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am
exactly, good point, which is why i think the planes were manipulated, not swapped a la Northwoods(i cant say the same for Flights 93 and 77 though). i would suggest that you too Google the phrases above that i suggested to Phil. Dov Zakheim is a direct link to 9/11. Google my name as well for more insight on 9/11.
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Operation Northwoods was nothing more then an IDEA written down on PAPER that was shot down immediately and got people fired and they couldn’t even keep that secret, yet you retards think they actually got approval for something 1000 times worse and nobody ever leaked it? Hmmmmmmmm. Sounds like someones been watching the SciFi channel….
MORON MARINE^^^^^^^^^^^ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
they kept it secret for DECADES you fool, it only became public when Bamford got it into his book a few years ago. OWNED dumbass!!! hmmm, sounds like somebody has been watching CNN/FOx NEws………..
reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
It was public LONG before James Bamfords book. But since it wasn’t in a an audio tape version, you guys probably didnt know that…..
Who got owned?
Wake up dips hit. Either way, it didnt fly.
Urban Moving Systems Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:00 am
blatant lie recon, it was not declassified. what a fucking liar you are. is this how you always “debate”? lie and hope nobody notices? you get owned here almost every day. “but Wolfowitx girfriend!!!”. HAHAHAHA, you fucking joke of a human being.
Urban Moving Systems Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:01 am
“but Russian and China would have told!!” HAHAHAHA. keep the retard logic coming!! its hilarious!
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Kind of begs the question of if they planned on attacking Iraq, then spent so long trying to find links between saddam and 9/11, why the fuck didnt they implicate Iraq in the attacks? You know, since they did 9/11…
It also begs the question of why did they implicate saudis and the ISI if they had no intention of doing anything about it? that doesn’t make sense..
Oh, it also begs the question of why they didn’t pull wtc7 down when it was completely engulfed by dust and debris instead waiting until 5:20 when the entire world was watching? It begs the question of why they didnt use demolitions if found int eh rubble,that could be later be traced back to the people they wanted to attack instead of using thermate? It kind of begs the question why the Chinese and Russians haven’t come out and presented this evidence to the world? They both have lost trillions in weapons sales since 9/11 because of actions we took in the name of 9/11. They also could bring the USA to its knees without ever firing a shot but they haven’t. I guess they were ok with us helping the afghan muj kick their ass in Afghanistan or the way we send weapons to Taiwan or the way they lost the cold war or the way we keep bashing them fro their humanitarian record.
Thank you Cherokee Princess! This has really begged the questions!
joe Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
youre a blinking liar,just like like obama
.
he knows what happened and had that buffalo 911 widow lady whacked as well after shaking her hand in a covenient bad weather crash.
the fact that the chinese or russians dont speak out is not proof
of anything.
that applies to the fake moon landings as well.
MORON MARINE^^^^^^^^^^^ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
HAHA! again with your retard logic! “well the elites in Russia and China would have told on the elites in America and Israel if they were involved”. really dumbass? would they? what do you base that on? have the people who actually run China and Russia lost “trillions of dollars” you fucking moron? are you really this dense? amazing logic, retarded, but still amazing.
joe Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
you idiot cheyenne
who is gonna fly a plane into a tower?
since the buildings were already wired to come down it had to be an empty drone that caused the impact that we were led to believe caused all that damage.
hijackers can be overpowered,unable to hit the target because of lack of skill or simply chicken out.
way to risky to have anyone on those “planes” that hit the towers.
think
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Yeah Joe, the airplanes going 500MPH should have just turned to dust when they hit the buildings……
High jackers can be overpowered? Is that what you would have done tough guy?
Back then, the standard protocol for high jackings was to do exactly as they say. When the passenger of flight 93 learned the new style of high jackings, they fought back
Man, if only tough guy Joe was on those doomed 4 flights……
So did the missiles have the passengers, high jackers, luggage, airliner wheels, engines etc all inside of them or was that dumped from a helicopter into the rubble or?
How did all that shit get there?
June 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am
specifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....Y&NR=1
overall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
June 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am
A pilot would know more about this, but I believe there’s some kind of echo on the radar that can exist seconds after a plane dissapears, giving the approximate coordinates if they lose the signal.
On a different note, it was nice to hear Richard Gage on Coast to Coast last night.
Reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
You dont have to be a pilot to know all of the 9/11 truth theories are bullshit….
Cherry Marines Suck Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
No, but only a retarded meathead like you would tow the company line. Sir, yes, Sir…… I’ll spend months online trying to convince people that my government and Israel are looking out for the citizens of the world. I’m a marine, damn it, and I am smarter than those architects, engineers, pilots, scientists, and eyewitnesses. How dare you question my authority. I said it, therefore it is FACT. Man, now I’m upset….. I have to go kill a puppy or rape someone…….ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH
reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
assclown-
I never said I was smarter then the people who think 9/11 was an inside job. i appreciate your comments though.
I do think the overwhelming majority of the real experts who have studied 9/11, the ones with APPLICABLE experience know your theories are WRONG and impossible. Thats what I count. Not what a cold fusion expert or a theologian says.
Urban Moving Systems Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:04 am
so the over 600 who signed on to AE911truth are all simply “cold fusion experts”? the cold fusion expert you speak of is also physicist and i can assure you most of the 600 have the APPLICABLE experience. but wait, they dont work for NIST(gov) so you cant trust them right?
June 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I would have to agree – interesting catch but I don’t think it necessarily implies something – may be related to “lag” or whatnot.
And – as for PaidReconmarine – some of us “dipshits” are in MENSA – and we understand the physics of what happened that day.
Like I have said to many before – if you are so dang sure the Govt. story is accurate why are you too chicken too support a new – independent – multinational investigation??
Or even just the release of all the Pentagon tapes??
The science doesn’t lie – although many gainfully employed “experts” are more than willing to!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
I am so tired of hearing from these uneducated comments on this board, anyone who doesn’t think to question the govenments story is mildly retarded at best. And why would you not question a government who makes you pay an illegal income tax, takes 20% of everything you work for to line the government workers pockets, and then kills some of it’s citizens for war profit. Frankly, I see nothing from the money they take from me on the federal level. And don’t give me that their “protecting” me crap. If we were invaded right now, we-the people would have to protect this country. We would have to let the prisoners out of the prisons to fight. Don’t listen to some of the regulars on these boards who even believe 1/10 of what the government even tells them. Question everything, trust nobody who has “authority” over you.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
There are so many holes in the Government version of 9/11 that ANY person that does his research and still believes the Government story is either stupid or completely mesmerized by the crap that is spewed from the television set.
The day this took place there were two planes that landed in Cincinatti airport and all passengers were offloaded into a hanger. The planes were likely flown out to the Atlantic and shot down by the fighters that flew east when they were finally scrambled.
What happened to the people is anybodies guess, but I think the planes will be found in the Atlantic which may be why they crashed this air France plane because there may have been someone that was getting too close, so to confuse them they shot down another in the same waters.
Bottom line…….YOU ARE BEING LIED TO………ABOUT EVERYTHING!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
so true….
June 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
man..you guys just dont get it…THERE WERE NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
There were planes – people saw them. I’ll admit that the lack of resistance by the frame of the building to the wings is curious. But I haven’t heard any expert opinions on it… and I haven’t seen the data on it.
My advice to the “hologram plane” crowd – as well as to the CGI / government-controlled feed crowd – is to understand that you are having a negative impact on the movement to expose the truth. You make it easy for anything but the official version of the events to be dismissed. Just witness the posts here from people who think anyone who doesn’t agree with the official story is jsut a crackpot who thinks the planes were not real.
There is real and verifiable evidence of explosives at the WTC. Let’s focus on that.
reconmarine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
negative impact? YOU ALL ALREADY HAVE A NEGATIVE image. The hologram theories are just a s crazy and unfounded as the controlled demolition theories.
You all are dumbasses.
9/11 was NOT an inside job. WAKE UP
We cant even dump a bucket of water on kalid sheik mohamads head and get away with it but you think they were able to keep this secret? What logic………
Paidtard.marine Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:06 am
“just a s crazy and unfounded as the controlled demolition theories.”
Why were the support Columns cut at 45-degree angles?
pic link
http://z.hubpages.com/u/52076_f520.jpg
Why was the Metal Shipped to China, days after? (so no analysis could be done)
Why did they fall at Free Fall Speed?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Both Reconmarine and everyone else opposing him have some very credible arguments here. On the idea that something other than the alleged planes hit the WTC, I have to agree with Recon on this one. I don’t trust a bunch of regular people to tell me, “OMG THAT WASN’T AMERICAN AIRLINES,” just because they saw something traveling so much faster than any American Airlines flight they’ve ever seen before. So they start jumping to other conclusions to justify it? It’s not like the entire population of New York City saw something “strange.”
It’s the same thing with UFO logic. Now I’m not trying to argue if UFO’s are real or not, I’m making a different point – For the longest time there were little or no UFO sightings. Then all of the sudden one particular UFO sighting from a “credible source,” hit the mainstream media. And then bang. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of UFO sightings started coming in like a stampede. Does this mean there were actually thousands of UFO’s traveling the skies after the initial sightings? No. The hype of UFO’s hit the nation, and some regular people starting thinking every little thing in the sky was a UFO!!!! Whether UFO’s are real or not, you have to admit that a minimum of 90% of these sightings had to be people using their imagination.
No different with the planes. People using their imagination to explain what they saw in the sky. And it’s with that logic that I can’t take this article too seriously. There’s only one lat lon reading, the math seems to make sense, these readings aren’t necessarily perfect.
For these reasons, Recon, I just assumed for years that the whole conspiracy theory was a joke. But I can’t say I think like that anymore. With so much other evidence supporting the inside job theory, the one thing that reeled me in was George W. Bush. His actions regarding 9/11 make it so blatantly obvious that he’s hiding something. I mean if me and a friend acted the way he and Chaney did when accused of a crime…say robbing a bank…we’d be thrown in jail so fast with no need of any evidence at all.
“So Revolvo, we suspect you and your friend Woodstick may have had something to do with that bank robbery. Care to answer some questions separately so we can get your story straight?”
“Tell you what, I’ve got a better idea! How about me and Woodstick answer questions together! Since it’s such a good opportunity for us to answer questions about this bank robbery! Oh and let’s do it behind closed doors, not under oath, make sure there are no recordings, and make sure no one else in the world knows what we said, ok? Great!”
Gimme a break. 411 days to hire an investigator? Whitewash on the 9/11 book? It’s so ridiculous it really makes me sick thinking about it. Combine this with so much other overwhelming evidence such as building 7 and all the thermite in all, it clearly adds up to an inside job.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I have a question for reconmarine. What government agencey do you work for again and is the pay good? I hope so for your betrayel to the american people and the constitution.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Reconmarine,
Perception is not precise, and “reality” can be rather subjective. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. As such, I respect your views, even though I may not agree with all of them. There’s nothing wrong with lively discussion, either. But do you really think you’re going to convince anybody on PP, of all places, that the official story is correct? That’s like a white supremacist trying to preach his creed at an NAACP meeting… you’re not likely to convince many people. Furthermore, you will find that you are much more effective in your arguments if you focus your discussion on the issues rather than the people discussing them. If you disagree with somebody, discuss the merits of your argument and/or the lack of merits of theirs. Calling somebody an assclown… really, now. I mean come on:
“You all are dumbasses.
9/11 was NOT an inside job. WAKE UP”
How likely do you think it is that people will be swayed to your argument when you call them dumbasses?
To the infowarriors who argue with reconmarine… I don’t think he’s any more likely to be swayed by your arguments than your are to be swayed by his, so why get into it with him?
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!
reconmarine Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Krash- You make all this fuss about me calling someone an assclown then call me a troll…..That makes zero sense…..So you are in the right place.
I too beleive in being entitled to your own opinion. I personally would like to see a new real 9/11 investigation. But thats not what the folks here are about. These people, for the most part, are totally ignoring the facts and only latching on to things that help support their theories. You guys use half truths and comments taken way out of context ti support your bullshit claimis. Since roughly 2,900 people died on 9/11 and it completely changed our world, I think we owe it to those that died that day along with those dying now to prevent the next one, to be honest in our approach.
Example- A firemen in one tower said he could “knock down the fire with 2 lines”. He was in a stairway reporting on what was in front of him. Truthers use this to show that the fires were all small and not big enough to weaken the already heavily damaged structure. The fact is, there were over 16 MILES of stairways on those towers, and what one person saw in just one stairwell could not accurately depict what the rest of the buildings fires were like. AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS.
Another Example- A flight controller who was watching flight 77’s radar blip move in said “they all thought it was a military jet”. So, with this comment, truthers say “look, even the controllers thought it wasn’t flight 77 and it was a military jet”. BUT, the rest of the comment, the part often times left out in Loose Change and other films and websites is, “we all thought it was a military jet, you don’t fly a commercial plane like that, it is unsafe”. Not saying it was a military jet, saying its erratic flight path made them think it wasnt an airliner becasue its not safe to fly like that in one. Again, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS TOO, YET, you continue to repeat these lies and half truths to support your theories. Every single theory regarding 9/11 has aspects like this surrounding them.
Someone said something, you guys take it out of context and wala, 9/11 truth movement.
oh yeah, i consider lying about our military and the people who died on 9/11 much more distasteful then saying “assclown”
June 10th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
well well… hmm ah lets see every fucking thing how could this plane be on course after it hit the building so one can only assume the 911 commission report is the greatest work of fiction released this century ….anyone wanna place a bet on how long this stays surpressed in the mainstream media ….this is very damming evidence…..
craigmotyka@philadelphiawearechange.org
June 10th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Hhhmmm, Stands to reason why the engine found in the street doesnt match a Boeing 767, its a CM56 i believe , that is usually used on a Boeing 737., interesting.
And why did Ted Olsen (now admitted) lied that that he received a cellphone call from his wife Journalist Barbra Olsen ? Very interesting.
Bush Were in office for 8 months before 9/11 , an operation this huge and this well done would have to be in the planning stages way before Bush became president. Bush were either brought up to speed about it or just doesnt know anything about it.
Obama’s speech and body language in Egypt tells me that Obama knows the Truth about 9/11.
Jeff
June 11th, 2009 at 2:06 am
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08:47:05 …we’re getting an updated lat Ion position. (I’m showing 40 39 North.)
40 39 North. (74 03 West) 74 03 West.
If you input that Lat/Long into Google Maps …
View Larger Map
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… from these coordinates, it looks like ‘this plane’ is about to land at the airstrip at the end of MOTB (and easily be concealed inside an ‘abandoned’ warehouse). MOTB was closed in sept 99. Not sure what was operating there on 9/11/1 …. anyone know?
(pic of airstrip at MOTB at this webpage:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....ayonne.htm
June 11th, 2009 at 2:22 am
yes idid pick up a light difference in time which is likely to be explained with clocks that are not in sync. This does not take away from the other far weirder occurances.
Why did general myers not change his agenda when told about the first hit? why did he go back into a meeting with a low ranking chap when he should have been scrambling Edwards airforce based fighter units? the whole thing has been know and was ‘baldowered’ thats a fact, but to what extend we will not get to know in a hundred years.