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Former UK ambassador: CIA sent people to be ‘raped with broken bottles’
Daniel Tencer
Raw Story
Thursday, Nov 5th, 2009
The CIA relied on intelligence based on torture in prisons in Uzbekistan, a place where widespread torture practices include raping suspects with broken bottles and boiling them alive, says a former British ambassador to the central Asian country.
Craig Murray, the rector of the University of Dundee in Scotland and until 2004 the UK’s ambassador to Uzbekistan, said the CIA not only relied on confessions gleaned through extreme torture, it sent terror war suspects to Uzbekistan as part of its extraordinary rendition program.
“I’m talking of people being raped with broken bottles,” he said at a lecture late last month that was re-broadcast by the Real News Network. “I’m talking of people having their children tortured in front of them until they sign a confession. I’m talking of people being boiled alive. And the intelligence from these torture sessions was being received by the CIA, and was being passed on.”
Human rights groups have long been raising the alarm about the legal system in Uzbekistan. In 2007, Human Rights Watch declared that torture is “endemic” to the country’s justice system.
Murray said he only realized after his stint as ambassador that the CIA was sending people to be tortured in Uzbekistan, country he describes as a “totalitarian” state that has never moved on from its communist era, when it was a part of the Soviet Union.
Suspects in Uzbekistan’s gulags “were being told to confess to membership in Al Qaeda. They were told to confess they’d been in training camps in Afghanistan. They were told to confess they had met Osama bin Laden in person. And the CIA intelligence constantly echoed these themes.”
“I was absolutely stunned — it changed my whole world view in an instant — to be told that London knew [the intelligence] coming from torture, that it was not illegal because our legal advisers had decided that under the United Nations convention against torture, it is not illegal to obtain or use intelligence gained from torture as long as we didn’t do the torture ourselves,” Murray said.
IT’S THE PIPELINE, STUPID
Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. As evidence, he points to the plans to build a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan that would allow Western oil companies to avoid Russia and Iran when transporting natural gas out of the region.
Murray alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan’s natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.
“The consultant who was organizing this for Unocal was a certain Mr. Karzai, who is now president of Afghanistan,” Murray noted.
Murray said part of the motive in hyping up the threat of Islamic terrorism in Uzbekistan through forced confessions was to ensure the country remained on-side in the war on terror, so that the pipeline could be built.
“There are designs of this pipeline, and if you look at the deployment of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in Afghanistan, you’ll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned to guard the pipeline route. It’s what it’s about. It’s about money, it’s about oil, it’s not about democracy.”
The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is slated to be completed in 2014, with $7.6 billion in funding from the Asian Development Bank.
Murray was dismissed from his position as ambassador in 2004, following his first public allegations that the British government relied on torture in Uzbekistan for intelligence.
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42 Responses to “Former UK ambassador: CIA sent people to be ‘raped with broken bottles’”
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November 5th, 2009 at 5:39 am
So waterboarding was not the worst of it? Is anyone surprised?
GWBUSHPIG Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:18 am
They are there to access the pipeline and to guard the drug route for the Illuminati families.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:53 am
This confirms what Michael Moore was saying all along in his movie Fahrrenheit 911. The oil barrons are trading young American lives for their insatiable greed.
FreeThinker Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:02 am
The Intl banksters own the oil businesses as they do the US and UK governments.
Cantbelieveit Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:31 am
It seems strange to me that these people would do this SIMPLY for money, i mean i doubt the people in charge of these types of things have to worry about money like….at all, so it seems strange they would gamble what they have by doing stuff like this. I would think it has more to do with power and keeping the middle east poor and destabilized to insure america can stay there and spread its “democracy”
Colonel X Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:41 am
This story is pure bullshit.
pitofdoom Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Colonel X, my thought’s exactly.
Not to say that there aren’t evil deeds done round about,
but hard evidence for administering Justice would be nice.
Yeager Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Colonel X
If you knew anything about Uzbekistan and the torture they regularly inflict on their citizens you would understand that this story is true.
Former ambassador Craig Murray is a man of immense integrity and he has suffered both personally and professionaly for exposing the heinous crimes commited by the Uzbek government.
You are an ill-informed buffoon.
Patriotgal Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I agree. If you “raped someone with a broken bottle”, they would be dead before you could ask a question. Yeah, I’m sure some evil things are done, but that? I doubt it.
Sic Semper Tyrannis!!!
TheHorseman Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Colonel X and Pitofdoom
I see that guys face. He stood up in front of an audience and told what he knew.
Why would he lie? He supports other claims of other people.
Are you claiming that the child rapists of the CIA and M16 wouldn’t do such a thing?
I believe this guy any day over some fool that makes a statement that this is bullshit without any evidence why.
It seems Colonel X and Pitofdoom are CIA agents.
Or did someone hijack your names?
I want to see both of you on video standing up and telling us while looking straight at the camera why this is bullshit.
Or keep your lying mouths shut.
Yeager Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Excellent post TheHorseman
Colonel X Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
shut me up, I’ll could cut your guts out and hang them to dry like beef jerkey.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:54 am
excuse me, and the lives of other nations too.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:07 am
michael moore? really? i mean, you do know that he has done nothing but help these criminals, right?
November 5th, 2009 at 6:19 am
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
November 5th, 2009 at 6:24 am
When Hussien was torturing my people in Iraq most Americans were against rescuing us and finding sadahm. To this day I thank Mr bush for helping us rid our country of the torture we went through even worse than Ubekistan. I have freinds who watched the republican gaurd dismember his wife in front of him while strapped to a chair. Where was the world the last 20 years this was all happenning. Maybe because we were not african or white we were left alone until Mr busch rescued us. Thanx america.
Dean Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I am sure all the innocent civilians that got the blown into a million peices are thanking Bush as well. The people that are being tortured by the current government of Iraq and the United States are thanking Mr. Bush as well.
Yeager Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Come off it ‘muhammad’ Who are you trying to fool?
You are most likely a spook in Tel aviv.
Eyes Open Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Muhammad, on behalf of the American super-state, you are welcome. Thank you for conveniently forgetting about how we bankrolled Saddam for decades during his war with Iran, and thank you also for forgetting about how we first encouraged the Kurds to rebel, then turned a blind eye as Saddam slaughtered them. These sorts of ugly details distort the beautiful picture that emerges when you view the situation in Iraq on a grand scale. We have done a first-rate job of fragmenting your country along ethnic and religious lines, as well as appointing corrupt, pro-American politicians for you to elect. We have also succeeded in wasting billions of our own tax dollars by lining the pockets of multi-national corporations with no-bid contracts, while still allowing those corporations to hold zero accountablity for the final products of their labor. I am sure you love the beautiful addition to the Baghdad skyline that we made with our new embassy. You may want to take pictures, as the inferior construction practically ensures that the building will crumple within a few years. Don’t worry about compensation, control over your oilfields, your political system, and your strategically important geographic region is all the thanks we need or expect. And don’t forget, muhammad, that Jesus loves you.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Former UK Ambassador: CIA Sent People to be “Raped with Broken Bottles”, “Boiled Alive”, And Have “Children Tortured In Front of Them Until They Sign a Confession”
Boiled Alive…… raped with broken bottles……this is satanic……what about doping them up with lsd or mushrooms……that seems to be effective …. Wtf is going on in the middle east
hipo Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I duno wtf is going on in the reflux condenser.
Colonel X Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Hey gruntshit, you fall for anything you read here.
WTF Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Hey Colonel DIPSHIT, do you think the worst we’ve done is waterboard suspects? the CIA has done ALOT worse. Go drink your kool aid!
Yeager Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Hey Colonel X (Oliver North?)
I fall for the truth everytime.
Colonel X Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Fall on your face in a pile of broken glass, it would be a major improvement.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:34 am
HOw can one believe all this crap????
Look the space station around the planet????? USSR and USA are hand in hand working together,people,can’t you see it?
So the natural gas hoax to pass in afganistan to avoid the soviet union does not stand in 2009.
They are playing the left and right game like US politics have been since JFK.
This is what is called the mind game to keep people in an illusion called reality.
Making us believe they go to war for the name of freedom man how can we be so collectively ignorant?
History shows War never brings peace, it just creates eternal chaos.
Why can’t the good men and woman in the military see it??????
The day we will refuse to serve the war lords agenda, they will fall along with there empire.
BunchofHotAir Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Yeah, that’ll be the day….that won’t ever happen.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Who made 9/11? No ANSWER FROM YOU JONES…but you have all secrets!
hipo Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:38 am
SKUNKS man git wid da programe man!.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:46 am
How pleasant to be part of a race (human?) that does such things to each other.
Raping another human being with a broken bottle.
It’s a pity it’s not filmed and then shown to the mother of the perpetrator.
You know, sometimes abortion can be a very good thing. I can think of a number of people whom I wish that their parents hadn’t said “No, we’re going to keep the baby.”
Shame on us all.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Who made 9/11? No ANSWER FROM YOU JONES…but you have all secrets!And since 2001 September big money on hookers to implode the economy with your secret club with broken bottles or within alcopops on the street to fire up cars! We saw you and the other extremists…outside!
hipo Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Yea dude say it like it aint.
Right off maaan.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Wasn’t Uzbekistan Ghengis Khan’s old stomping ground ?
Sounds like his proven methods of entertaining the troops are still in practice there !
November 5th, 2009 at 8:46 am
guys enough is enough.. its time to k… those bastards.
get your ammo and guns.
may the force be with us
November 5th, 2009 at 9:04 am
c ‘est ignoble tout ca
November 5th, 2009 at 9:37 am
I’ve known about this for many years. I don’t know how anyone is denying this.
It makes perfect sense when viewed from this perspective. Why do you think they still back Karzai after being caught trying to steal the votes? Who do you think helped him and his opium kingpin brother?
November 5th, 2009 at 9:43 am
The queen of England (Elizabeth Windsor) still runs the show in her lands (Canada, New Zealand, Austrailia, etc.)… mind boggling tourture practices still place… we still use fossil fuel as a means of energy & light, nothing has changed in the last few hundred years… Do you what to know what the major difference is? (Besides Nicola Tesla)
WE ARE MORE DEPENDANT ON THEIR SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 sure shot way of getting out of this mess is to become INDEPENDANT!!!
There is great opportunity to profit here (*financially in imaginary paperland*)
Anyone of you here can covert your home for $500 or less to solar,wind or water power (if you have a creek or river near by)… it is not time consuming (maybe a day) and you could charge out your service to do this for your neighbors! You can have 100% free enegy. If you provide more than you need and start providing energy back into the grid, in some coutries, the energy company will give you money for that!
You can also make a SUPER SIMPLE TO MAKE hydrogen fuel to sit under the hood of your vehicle that will save 50% on gas. YouTube HHO generator!!!!
Your comments are all good, at least we are talking, but we need to start seeing more solutions or ideas….
Pe@ce
Godagea
November 5th, 2009 at 11:49 am
I can believe it, humans are barbaric.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
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November 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
There is no more that can be done in the states, its like the titanic hit the iceburg and is sinking fast and instead of getting in the lifeboats yall are bitchin at each other, the ship is not coming back up people. margarita island is full of opportunity cheapest cost of living in the world, 4 cent a gallon gas free health care no taxes, no hurricanes, all food is organic by law. for more info check out http://www.escapethestates.com I have plenty of references from people I have moved down here, jump on the underground railraod and find out what it is like to live in a country that has alot more freedom then the united states. Put your money in a different currency and get out with it and dont look back. soon the dollar will be worth nothing, then you are stuck like a turd in the toilet. thanks for listening, if you need help contact me, My wife and I have plenty of knowledge about living here on margarita island we moved here 3 years ago with 3 small children and 3 dogs. We had to get our kids away from the toxic foods and environment. We can help you escape the states no matter what situation you are in,
November 6th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Same thing ethnic Albanians did in, I guess 1982, in Kosovo, to a Serb named Djordje Martinovic. Communist regime said after a while that the victim did that to himself. Knowing that CIA is deeply involved in snatching Kosovo away from Serbia, I guess this broken bottle raping goes back a long time.
November 6th, 2009 at 2:31 am
this is a kick ass short film about martial law, and police brutality, and the rise of the republic you must see this and pass it on very power short film- amazing how close it all really is! Rise of the Rattlesnake -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx6tTH4RQfA