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Global Warming or Global Governance?
George Stamm
The Epoch Times
Friday, Aug 8, 2008
If you were to ask ten people on the street if mankind’s activities are causing global warming, my guess is that a majority would say yes. In fact, a Gallup poll conducted July 23-26, 2007 found that 63% believed that global warming is caused mostly by human activities. But is this perception of global warming based on fact or just misguided opinion?
The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) were established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). These organizations shared the 2007 Noble Peace Prize with former Vice President of the United States Al Gore. These two U.N. organizations form a scientific body given the task of evaluating the risk of climate change caused by human activity. In 2005 the IPCC released a report saying that since the mid-twentieth century, the surface temperature of the earth has been rising steadily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_recordoceans±CF.
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Mr. Gore and his colleagues at the IPCC maintain that there is an increase in global average temperatures, due to man-made intervention resulting in a “greenhouse effect.” They also say that natural phenomena, such as solar variation, combined with volcanoes, had little effect on global warming from pre-industrial times until 1950, and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.
These conclusions have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries. However, there are many scientists, some who have served on the IPCC panel, who have voiced disagreement with many of the findings of the IPCC. One noted biologist and ecologist Dr. Michael Coffman, Executive Director of Environmental Perspectives, Inc. and CEO of Sovereignty International, said in his presentation, Global Warming or Global Governance, “The global warming climate change issue is so important that people on both sides of the issue, including policymakers should be fully informed before policy is actually formulated. Tragically, that’s not happening in the global warming issue.” Coffman further says that what is being proposed by Al Gore and his colleagues is that man is primarily causing a global warming effect, but there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary put forth by prominent scientists from around the world.
What does the scientific evidence show?
There is evidence that many parts of the globe have experienced record cold temperatures dating back over one hundred years. According to Professor Tim Patterson, of the Dept. of Earth Sciences at Carlton University, “Many things we thought we knew about the climate system just a few years ago are now proving to be uncertain or quite mistaken.” Also, Dr. Robert Balling, Former Director of the Office of Climatology at Arizona State University, “It’s become quite news worthy to go out and tell people that we are about to have an apocalyptic climate change. And the moment you make that announcement, it’s easy to go around the world and find things to support that viewpoint.” Dr. Vincent Gray, chemist and one of the original chief IPCC researchers, says “The IPCC is a political organization setup by the UN to provide evidence to support the framework convention on climate change; it’s entirely political. They made up what they were going to do beforehand and choose whatever science they (IPCC) could find to support their theory.”
According to Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Neb) on the Foreign Relations Committee, “This cuts at the heart of national sovereignty of the U.S. We would be saying that we would allow an international body to come in and dictate to our industries, our businesses, our people, what they can do and what they can’t do; the use of what energy, the sources of energy, the cost of energy, etc.”
These concerns about the policymaking of such international organizations like the IPCC have led many to question whether this is an issue of global warming or global governance.
The major premise of “An Inconvenient Truth” by Al Gore is that carbon dioxide is the major greenhouse gas that drives the temperature of the earth.” According to scientific data studied by scientists such as Dr. Ian Clark, “Carbon dioxide gas (CO2) lags behind temperature changes in history by 800 years; CO2 doesn’t cause temperature change.” And according to Professor Tim Ball, Dept. of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg, “Based on the evidence of ice core studies at the polar ice caps, it shows that CO2 follows temperature, not the opposite. So the fundamental assumption of the whole theory of climate change by human intervention of CO2 emissions causing temperature changes is wrong.”
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August 9th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Karmakaze, the earth’s temperature has always been changing. The earth has been around for 5 billion years and has gone through vast changes on its own. Even only 12,000 years ago it was the end of the Ice Age. What makes you think that just because modern man is on the scene that it will stop changing now?
August 9th, 2008 at 8:09 am
If it was printed on paper it would not be good as toilet paper because it would be too thick. Computer paper is too thick to comfortably use and if you tried to put toilet paper into your printer it would tear it up.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Do you Karmakaze. believe in the NWO? I’m not trying to be a smartass here, just asking if you believe they exist?
August 9th, 2008 at 8:32 am
If you do believe they exists: THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT AGW. IS A FRAUD. It’s just NOT real.
Stalepie. is correct, and why would you believe this because of what someone told you?
Have you REALLY TRULY SEEN any of the effect’s of global warming???
NO! NO YOU HAVEN’T! you have only seen what they tell you are the effect’s.
In the 70’s they said we were going into a new ice age. DID WE???
NO WE DID NOT. I’m sorry my friend it’s not real over time that will be their biggest problem to wiggle out of when it doesn’t come to fruition, actually they will probably say (SEE) it worked the AGW. has gone away because of our effort’s.
COME ON! You can’t believe the JUNK-SCIENCE. coming from scientist “PAID BY THE MOST CORRUPT ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET”
Don’t think they aren’t they do get funding to do this JUNK-SCIENCE. and if they don’t come to the conclusion that their BOSS want’s then guess what??? the funding suddenly stop’s.
Occums razor my friend it is that simple “JUNK SCIENCE” that is all.
August 9th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Karmakaze I think its obvious that you have bought into the establishment line of bullshit on global warming. There is evidence on both sides its just a matter of who you believe. On one hand you have the establishment trying to sell global warming so they can tax us more lower our standard of living and fund more big government. And on the other hand you have people who say global warming is bullshit and have no motive for cash. So just based on that I’m gonna call horseshit on global warming.
August 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
@Karmakaze
So, let’s say AGW is happening. Do we then accept a global authoritarian government to “fight” it? That’s where the AGW proponents are leading us. Do we cripple our ability to generate energy and bring about even greater human suffering and starvation in the hope that AGW can be stopped?
Much of the excess use of fossil fuels is because of government. The US military alone uses about 2% of the worlds oil production. A huge amount is used in America in navigating the huge and inefficient socialized road system, which, along with zoning and “city planning”, make any form of transportation other than car untenable in most places. There’s also the fact that the socialized roads make fuel inefficient 18 wheelers more cost effective that rail transport. But no one talks about these things, except liberal minded people bleating about the lack of public transit. More fossil fuel use there. Why not use a bicycle? Nevermind the crushing regulation that makes public transit unprofitable so that only government provides it. Yet we’re to trust the bozos that are part of the problem with creating the solution? The solution being more government.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
@Stalepie
“Karmakaze, the earth’s temperature has always been changing. The earth has been around for 5 billion years and has gone through vast changes on its own. Even only 12,000 years ago it was the end of the Ice Age. What makes you think that just because modern man is on the scene that it will stop changing now?”
You either didn’t read what I posted, or are purposely ignoring it. Let me highlight the important bit:
“The average change in the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide over the last 600,000 years has been just 22 parts per million by volume, Zeebe said, which means that 22 molecules of carbon dioxide were added to, or removed from, every million molecules of air.
Since the Industrial Revolution began in the 18th century, ushering in the widespread human use of fossil fuels, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has risen by 100 parts per million.
That means human activities are putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere about 14,000 times as fast as natural processes do, Zeebe said.”
“The natural mechanism will eventually absorb the excess carbon dioxide, Zeebe said, but not for hundreds of thousands of years.
“This is a time period that we can hardly imagine,” he said. “They are way too slow to help us to restore the balance that we have now basically distorted in a very short period of time.””
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@DEEP RED
“Do you Karmakaze. believe in the NWO? I’m not trying to be a smartass here, just asking if you believe they exist?”
That depends on what you mean. I don’t believe in an overarching organisation like “The Illuminati” and I certainly don’t believe it is new.
What you may call the NWO, I call the same old power elites doing the same old things they have done for millenia. The faces change, and even the families, but the effect is the same – “they” are the super-wealthy, and “they” do what the super-wealthy have always done: try to control or influence events to protect their own status to the detriment of the rest of us.
They don’t have organisations, except in so far as they throw one together to carry out specific plans etc and they are not ALWAYS working together (sometimes they try to rip each other off too) but WE are their common enemy, and so in general they cooperate to suppress us, even while they are infighting.
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@DEEP RED 2
“If you do believe they exists: THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT AGW. IS A FRAUD. It’s just NOT real.”
Only an idiot would believe that! How in hell’s name does the existence or otherwise of a socio-political grouping “disprove” the science of AGW? You can argue until you are blue in the face, but the existence of “the NWO” does not change the facts.
Can you not grasp the concept that AGW can be real, AND “the NWO” can be misusing it for their own purposes? Is that so hard to understand?
Take terrorism for example. I am sure you wouldn’t claim there is NO SUCH THING as terrorism, but would heartily agree that “the NWO” is misusing the existence of terrorism to further their own goals. It’s the same thing: AGW is real, AND “The NWO” are using it to screw you over. They are NOT mutually exclusive.
“Stalepie. is correct, and why would you believe this because of what someone told you?”
No, he/she is not, as I showed in my original post, and have reiterated above. Comparing natural processes that happen over thousands of years to what we have done in less than 200 years is absurd. Refer to my original post and the analogy of stopping a fast moving car.
“Have you REALLY TRULY SEEN any of the effect’s of global warming???”
Yes, I really truly have. Have YOU seen “The NWO”?
“NO! NO YOU HAVEN’T! you have only seen what they tell you are the effect’s.”
And how did YOU learn about “The NWO”, and how did YOU learn that “AGW is a hoax”? I listened to the THOUSANDS of CLIMATE scientists, you listen to frauds like Singer or Ball, and people like Alex Jones. The people I listen to have evidence, the people YOU listen to have hyperbole and lies, as I have shown time and again. If YOU can prove what I am saying is wrong, without resorting to “it’s the NWO!!!” but with REAL evidence that stands up to scrutiny, I will listen to you too. Until then all I can assume is you don’t know what you are talking about.
“In the 70’s they said we were going into a new ice age. DID WE???”
No, they did not. Stop listening to bullshit artists and actually go look for YOURSELF. I have, and I can PROVE that that is a lie.
In the seventies, climate science was very limited (not least because of vasttly inferior computing power – the computer you are using right now is probably faster than the super computers they had then) so the gerneral consensus was “we don’t know for sure”, and there were two competing hypotheses Global Warming and Global Cooling. For every study published in the peer reviewed literature that suggested Global Cooling, there were THREE that suggested Global Warming. The former was not even the FAVOURED hypothesis, and as the science got better, it disappeared altogether.
The POPULAR media however, chose to highlight one over the other simply because it sold newspapers, and regardless of the science.
So, can you prove the claim that scientists “said we were going into a new ice age” is true? Try it, and see. I have no doubt you can’t.
“NO WE DID NOT. I’m sorry my friend it’s not real over time that will be their biggest problem to wiggle out of when it doesn’t come to fruition, actually they will probably say (SEE) it worked the AGW. has gone away because of our effort’s.”
It IS real, and until you can show evidence to support your assertions, then I have to assume you are a fool who is nothing but an unwilling (I hope) tool for the elites (or NWO if you prefer) to screw us yet again.
“COME ON! You can’t believe the JUNK-SCIENCE. coming from scientist “PAID BY THE MOST CORRUPT ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET””
Are you frigging kidding???? The people YOU believe are paid by the fossil fuel companies – the same ones that have made HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in the last YEAR alone from pumping CO2 into our atmosphere at an unprecedented rate. In less than 8 years, that have increased the price of oil by over 500% and there is absolutely no reason for that to have happened. Has demand increased by 500%? Has supply decreased by 80%? Nope. So why the price hikes? TO RIP YOU OFF MORE THAN THEY ALREADY DO!
And you trust THEM????
“Don’t think they aren’t they do get funding to do this JUNK-SCIENCE. and if they don’t come to the conclusion that their BOSS want’s then guess what??? the funding suddenly stop’s.”
Junk science my ass. You are a fool if you believe that the elites would pay thousands and thousands of scientists, billions of dollars, to take away the elites largest source of income and power. In fact “fool” is too nice a word. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON IF YOU BELIEVE THAT!
“Occums razor my friend it is that simple “JUNK SCIENCE” that is all.”
It’’s OccAm’s Razor, and you just showed you have NO IDEA what it means. It means the SIMPLEST explanation is USUALLY the correct one.
What is more simple:
“The burning of fossil fuel is harming our environment, and the elites who make trillions from it don’t want you to stop.”
or
“The elites have created a massive organisation of thousands of the worlds best scientists to manufacture a false “threat” that, if fought against, will take away their largest source of income, and all this just so they can create a “Carbon Tax”, and control you more than they already do.”
If you try to claim the latter, then you truly are a retard.
If a 500% increase in oil prices is NOT a “Carbon Tax”, what is?
Remember, the elites don’t give a shit about Global Warming – it will NEVER harm them, because THEY have the wealth to avoid the damage it causes. YOU and I are the ones who will suffer, but they don’t give a shit as long as we keep giving them our money.
Now that it looks like we might STOP giving them our money, they are trying to find a way to keep taking it. If they can’t do it with fuel prices, they will do it with “Carbon Tax” – it’s all the same to them.
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@Brandon
“Karmakaze I think its obvious that you have bought into the establishment line of bullshit on global warming.”
What “establishment line of bullshit” is that? Do you mean the one Bush pushes? Or the one ExxonMobil pushes? Or the one the “economists” push? Or the one the Wall Street Journal pushes?
Nope, I have certainly NOT bought into the “establishment line of bullshit”. You on the other hand seem to have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker!
“There is evidence on both sides its just a matter of who you believe.”
No, there is evidence on ONE side (mine) and lies and distortion on the other (yours). I can and HAVE presented my evidence, NONE of you have presented ANY!
“On one hand you have the establishment trying to sell global warming so they can tax us more lower our standard of living and fund more big government.”
Bollocks. They make FAR more money by raising the price of oil than they could EVER make in taxes. No one would stand for a 500% increase in tax in only 8 years, but you are still buying petrol, while bitching at the people who are trying to help you.
How does reducing CO2 emissions reduce the standard of living? Iceland emits less than HALF the CO2 per head of population as the US, but they have a HIGHER standard of living! In fact they have the highest standard of living in the world! Australia emits only ~75% as much CO2 per head of population and THEY have a higher standard of living than the US. So please explain how reducing CO2 emissions is going to reduce your standard of living.
“And on the other hand you have people who say global warming is bullshit and have no motive for cash.”
Well, except for all the money they get from the fossil fuel companies that is, and if you are talking about the Alex Jones types, then their motive is to avoid the elites “tax(ing) us more (and) lower(ing) our standard of living and fund(ing) more big government”. Yeah, they have “no motive” to lie or mislead! Fool.
“So just based on that I’m gonna call horseshit on global warming.”
And just based on that, I am going to call you a retard. Unfortunately for you, I am right, and you are wrong.
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@Abel
“So, let’s say AGW is happening. Do we then accept a global authoritarian government to “fight” it?”
No, you can tell the elites to clean up their own mess. The record profits from Exxon for just the first 3 months of this year will go a LONG way to doing that. Of course, YOU would never accept a “windfall profits” tax on fossil fuel corporations, would you? After all, that is “authoritarian”, right?
Exxon had a 144 BILLION dollar turnover in JUST THREE MONTHS. One fossil fuel corporation received nearly three times as much money OUT OF YOUR POCKET in THREE MONTHS, than has been spent on climate science all over world in TWENTY-EIGHT YEARS.
How much money has Exxon ALONE made in 28 years? Hell, Exxon could pay for it ALL, by themselves, if WE forced them to. But you go ahead and listen to the liars and deniers, because I am sure they have YOUR best interests at heart! And if you believe THAT, then you deserve everything you get.
“That’s where the AGW proponents are leading us.”
Nope, they are leading us towards energy independence from the global elites, which of course is why THEY are fighting it.
“Do we cripple our ability to generate energy and bring about even greater human suffering and starvation in the hope that AGW can be stopped?”
Cripple? My ass. We could get rid of fossil fuels altogether right now, and still generate as much energy as we need with CURRENT technologies. It would be expensive, but THEY can pay for it! Hell Exxon could probably do it ALL themselves.
And that is assuming that technological development stops RIGHT NOW. Fossil Fuels are a primitive 18th century technology. Come join us in the 21st century, it’s cheaper in the long run, AND leads to greater personal freedom. Unless you LIKE constantly paying some company just for the energy to get you to work so you can make even MORE money for them, that is.
MIT recently announced a breakthrough in hydrogen generation from water. Used with solar power, it promises to provide all the electricity you need for your house, and all the fuel you need for your car, and all with nothing more than sunshine and water, and a cheap device made of plentiful raw materials.
THAT is what the AGW proponents are TRYING to lead you to, but YOU keep siding with Exxon! THAT is TRULY retarded!
Look at what a SMALL amount of money, and some effort by REAL scientists can do:
“April 22, 2008
Promising to transform solar power from a “boutique” option to an affordable, dependable, mainstream energy solution, MIT and the Chesonis Family Foundation today launched a “solar revolution” with the ultimate aim of making solar energy America’s primary carbon-free fuel.”
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/.....-0422.html
They announce they are going to try and figure out how to do it, and then, just over three months later:
“July 31, 2008
In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn’t shine.
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Requiring nothing but abundant, non-toxic natural materials, this discovery could unlock the most potent, carbon-free energy source of all: the sun. “This is the nirvana of what we’ve been talking about for years,” said MIT’s Daniel Nocera, the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT and senior author of a paper describing the work in the July 31 issue of Science. “Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited and soon.”"
Why hasn’t Alex Jones or the liars and deniers mentioned that? Even if AGW IS a hoax, surely this breakthrough would severely curtail the elites power, so why is Alex not all over this? You decide.
I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your post because NONE of that changes the facts. Replace fossil fuel with hydrogen for example, and all that CO2 you are talking about is gone. Who cares if the “socialised” roads are inefficient if the fuel is cheap and abundant and clean? My guess is you are yet another libertarian who thinks “deregulation” means “freedom” rather than “slavery”, and as such are happily marching into the very slavery you claim to be trying to avoid.
I bet you also haven’t heard about the new battery technology which promises to allow electric cars to be able to “refuel” at “refueling stations” in under ten minutes. That would allow electric vehicles to be operated exactly like petrol ones.
“Altair (nasdaq: ALTI – news – people ) makes a nano-particle compound used by Boeing (nyse: BA – news – people ) to coat the wings of its stealth fighters and by paint maker Sherwin-Williams (nyse: SHW – news – people ) to make pigments with fewer toxic residues. But Altair has grander plans: It aims to make batteries that can power an electric car for 150 miles and recharge in the same amount of time it takes to fill up a gas tank and grab a Big Gulp.”
“The technology seems to be getting close to practical application. Phoenix Motorcars, a Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.-based electric vehicle start-up, plans this year to start selling a small electric pickup truck with drive batteries based in part on the Altair technology.”
“Phoenix recharges its electric truck battery in 10 minutes with a 440-volt charger–four times the amount of energy in a home wall socket. Scaling that operation, however, would be a challenge: Existing electric grids couldn’t easily handle the power drain of rapidly recharging millions of such electric batteries.
So in early January Altair also built its first pair of industrial 1-megawatt batteries–each about the size of a freight car–designed to store excess electricity produced at night. The Virginia power utility AES (nyse: AES – news – people ) plans to use the mega-batteries to warehouse power for use during peak consumption times.
Such batteries could help Altair offer 10-minute recharges to the masses. Futuristic filling stations might feature massive batteries below ground, replacing the gasoline storage tanks of today.”
http://www.forbes.com/technolo.....2nano.html
The elites have heard of it…
“Altair Nanotechnologies Inc. (NASDAQ: ALTI), a leading provider of advanced nanomaterials technology used in power and energy systems and other applications, today announced that it has signed a $350,000 contract through the U.S. Army’s Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey to deliver prototype batteries for use in the Army’s M119 105mm lightweight gun digitization program.
Altairnano’s unique lithium titanate batteries not only can operate effectively in cold areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or in regions such as the deserts of Iraq where temperatures can range from extreme cold to searing heat, but also have rapid charging capabilities essential to a wide range of Army operations around the world. The projected long life of Altairnano technology is also an important attribute that will enable the Army to spend fewer resources resupplying standard shorter-lived lithium ion batteries.”
http://www.b2i.us/profiles/inv.....egory=1183
The US Army has heard of it…
“Altair Nanotechnologies Inc. (NASDAQ: ALTI), a leading provider of advanced nanomaterials technology used in power and energy systems, life sciences and industrial applications, today announced the signing of a $2.5 million contract with the United States Navy for the development of battery backup power systems in Naval applications.”
http://www.b2i.us/profiles/inv.....egory=1183
The US Navy has heard of it…
“Altair Nanotechnologies Inc. (Nasdaq: ALTI), a leading manufacturer of safe, high-performance lithium-titanate battery and energy storage products, announced today the successful completion of a demonstration and validation program for a two- megawatt 500 kilowatt-hour battery system purchased by AES Corporation (NYSE:AES).”
And the electricity corporations have heard of it…
“Using Altairnano’s lithium-titanate battery packs, Berube’s electric dragster, named the Current Eliminator V, achieved the electric vehicle world speed record at the Southwestern International Raceway in Tucson, AZ on Sunday, December 30th. Requirements for setting the world record include two record-breaking times on the same day under the same conditions. With runs rapidly decreasing in time, Berube began with 9.0 seconds, followed by 8.4, then 8.009 seconds. On the fourth run of the day, Berube broke into the 7-second category reaching 159.65 mph in 7.956 seconds. Dennis then assured his spot in the record book with a consecutive run of 7.963 while reaching 160.65 mph for the quarter mile.”
http://www.b2i.us/profiles/inv.....tegory=987
And it’s even being used to break speed records…
So why has Alex Jones never heard of it?
August 10th, 2008 at 5:41 am
The masses are not critical thinkers. Like sheep, they are gullible and easily led. The “elite” know this, and with very little resistance, spread their lies about global warming through their controlled institutions, the public school system, colleges, and the media, both printed and electronic.
Unbiased and independent scientists have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that human activity contributes only a miniscule amount to what is nothing more than a naturally occuring event that has happened time and again over the millenia.
The “global elite” are promoting their hysterical claim of man-made global warming as a means to tax, control, and subdue the free people of the world into serfdom.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:33 am
@hiwaycruzer
“The masses are not critical thinkers. Like sheep, they are gullible and easily led.”
As you so ably demonstrate!
“The “elite” know this, and with very little resistance, spread their lies about global warming through their controlled institutions, the public school system, colleges, and the media, both printed and electronic.”
Actually, they spread their lies AGAINST anthropogenic global warming through a compliant media, corrupt fake “scientists”, and idiots like you.
“Unbiased and independent scientists have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that human activity contributes only a miniscule amount”
Bullshit extraordinaire! Most of them haven’t even proved they are scientists! They have been caught time and again misleading and outright LYING about “evidence” they say disproves AGW, and attempting to obscure or confuse the evidence that not only is AGW real, but even that there are viable alternatives to fossil fuels RIGHT NOW, and that can take away an enormous source of income for those elites.
“to what is nothing more than a naturally occuring event that has happened time and again over the millenia.”
Actually, atmospheric CO2 concentration has not deviated more than 22ppm in over 600,000 years. We have increased it over 100ppm in 200 years. We also know that every time CO2 HAS exceeded current levels global mean temperature followed and the Earths climate underwent major changes. So yes, it has happened in the past, but NO, you sure as hell wouldn’t want to have been there.
“The “global elite” are promoting their hysterical claim of man-made global warming as a means to tax, control, and subdue the free people of the world into serfdom.”
Actually the global elite make TRILLIONS off of the consumption of fossil fuels and the resultant CO2 emissions – no “Carbon Tax” could ever be anywhere NEAR as lucrative for them. As for control and submission, well YOU are already a slave to them, if not in body, then in mind, and as the global oil wars continue, I am sure there are MILLIONS of people who would prefer an alternative fuel source be employed that DOESN’T require killing them!
But hey, as long as your SUV still runs on petrol, who are you to question the elites, right? Of course the fact it doesn’t need to, and that it could be just as powerful, just as long range, and just as convenient while costing MUCH less in blood and money AND prevent global warming, well that’s just too bad right?
hiwaycruzer, welcome to the august group of Prison Planet idiots who are too ignorant, too stubborn, or too fucking crazy to recognise that fighting against the science of AGW is EXACTLY what the elites want you to do. Well done, retard!
August 11th, 2008 at 7:46 am
@ KARMAKAZE— WOW!!! The ipcc must pay you a fortune to work for them as their NWO. glamorizing bitch.
LMFAO!!!
August 11th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Dont accept what is going on-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V5iCUBEUx4
GS
August 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
@DEEP RED
“WOW!!! The ipcc must pay you a fortune to work for them as their NWO. glamorizing bitch.
LMFAO!!!”
Jesus you are a retard! How has anything I have said glamourised the “NWO”? You are the one making out that they are some sort of James Bond-esque supervillian society bent on global domination.
I just say they are rich people doing what rich people have always done, and who could easily be defeated if fucking retards like you stopped helping them.
You are a pathetic waste of skin.
Here is part of one of my responses to you on this thread:
“Can you not grasp the concept that AGW can be real, AND “the NWO” can be misusing it for their own purposes? Is that so hard to understand?”
Care to share with us your view on this? Or do you want to just keep dodging the issue and making obviously retarded statements?
August 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Now let’s see if I got you correctly Krazykarma.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, retard! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah retard! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, fucking retard! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah fucking retard!
August 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
@Paul T
“Now let’s see if I got you correctly Krazykarma.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, retard! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah retard! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, fucking retard! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah fucking retard!”
Jesus Pauly boy! That’s the most intelligent thing you’ve ever said! Oh, I see, you’re quoting me. Carry on… retard.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:18 am
@KrazyKarma—Who on here agree’s with you???
So in your little mind that makes you sane???
Nope sorry! you are incorrect about agw. you are a minority of this theory, errr fraud it does not exist.
I have lived in the same area for 41 year’s and other’s will agree with me that the climate has not changed seasonally where I’m from for over 41 year’s.
So then I ask you again have you seen any effect’s of agw. where your at??? NO! no you have not, if you state otherwise you ARE A LIAR!
People are not being forced to move anywhere because of agw. DO YOU KNOW WHY???
Because it simply doesn’t exist!!! you should just accept the fact that you have been duped—I won’t hold it against you though as I expect it to happen to simple minded people, that is how they set up propoganda it is targeted to get simpleton’s to believe it first.
NO ONE ON THIS PLANET HAS BEEN FORCED TO RELOCATE BECAUSE OF agw.
polar bear’s are still living wher they alway’s have. WAKE-UP!
August 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
prepare, its us and them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V5iCUBEUx4
GS
August 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Ha ha you dipstick krazyarsehole. . You think I’m intelligent because I mime you spewing complete and utter unintelligible crap. Showing yet again what a pathetic wet blanket you really are. Spineless, coward. Sitting behind your little screen, calling everyone a retard. What a joke. What a crackpot. What a friggin nutter. Come on puppy. Up on your little soapbox again. Bark your favourite word..retard, retard, retard. You love to use the very word which best describes your foolish self. Ha ha ha dumbass… The joke is on YOU. Ha ha ha…
August 12th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Hey there DEEP RED. This krazykarma dude is brain dead. An egotistical, theatrical upstart. You said it correctly that he’s too simple, a simpleton, to understand simple facts. Spot on. He is 100% wound up in his own agenda and completely unable to engage in conversation. Basically a Neanderthal. He’ll come back with his little soap opera, calling us retards. Hey, that’s pretty much all this nutter can do. “The dogs may bark, but the caravan will pass…”
August 12th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
@DEEP RED
“@KrazyKarma—Who on here agree’s with you???
So in your little mind that makes you sane???”
Actually, I know of a few who do, but I don’t base what I believe on what is popular – I have more backbone than that.
“Nope sorry! you are incorrect about agw. you are a minority of this theory, errr fraud it does not exist.”
It does, and you are a retard – learn to accept that.
“I have lived in the same area for 41 year’s and other’s will agree with me that the climate has not changed seasonally where I’m from for over 41 year’s.”
Oh yes? You can remember every day’s temperature for all of those 41 years? Didn’t think so retard. So why don’t you go get the data and PROVE IT. I’ll wait…
“So then I ask you again have you seen any effect’s of agw. where your at??? NO! no you have not, if you state otherwise you ARE A LIAR!”
YES, YES I HAVE. I can even prove it.
“This study is devoted to analyze changes in the mean climate in New Zealand over the period 1951-2007 with as main intent to find out if the changes in climate now being observed are having any effect on extreme weather events, and if changes in the mean climate are paralleled by changes in extreme temperatures and rainfall.
Between 1951 and 2007, mean, maximum and minimum surface temperatures have warmed in the New Zealand region, and the climate patterns in the Pacific region have shifted around 1950, and again in the mid 1970s and also in 1998, with resulting changes in average wind patterns, mean temperature and mean rainfall across New Zealand.”
http://209.85.141.104/search?q.....=firefox-a
Care to try to do the same? Or will you just keep talking out of your arse like all retards do?
“People are not being forced to move anywhere because of agw. DO YOU KNOW WHY???”
Not yet retard, but they will eventually, by the hundreds of millions. That’s why we are trying to stop it from getting that far. By then we won’t be able to do anything about it.
“Because it simply doesn’t exist!!! you should just accept the fact that you have been duped—I won’t hold it against you though as I expect it to happen to simple minded people, that is how they set up propoganda it is targeted to get simpleton’s to believe it first.”
Hey retard, I showed you MY evidence, why don’t you show me YOURS? Oh that’s right you haven’t got any!
And yes you are right, the liars and deniers aim their anti-AGW propaganda at retards like you who don’t ever bother to CHECK what they are saying. I did, and I just proved you wrong.
“NO ONE ON THIS PLANET HAS BEEN FORCED TO RELOCATE BECAUSE OF agw.”
NO SHIT SHERLOCK! It hasn’t got that bad YET, retard, but it will unless we do something about it.
“polar bear’s are still living wher they alway’s have. WAKE-UP!”
True, it’s just warmer there than it used to be and there isn’t as much ice. Got any more retardedly obvious things to point out? How about the sky is still blue and DEEP RED is still a retard?
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@Paul T
“Ha ha you dipstick krazyarsehole. . You think I’m intelligent because I mime you spewing complete and utter unintelligible crap.”
Still can’t read yet Pauly boy? I’m sure you will get there if you keep trying.
I never said you were intelligent (hell no!) I said that was the most intelligent thing you have ever said, and then realised it was a “quote” from me. I knew YOU couldn’t have been intelligent enough to say it
“Showing yet again what a pathetic wet blanket you really are. Spineless, coward. Sitting behind your little screen, calling everyone a retard.”
LOL You’re welcome to come on over here and show me how tough you are Pussy Boy… I mean Pauly Boy! In the meantime I’ll just sit here making you look like an idiot.
“What a joke. What a crackpot. What a friggin nutter. Come on puppy. Up on your little soapbox again. Bark your favourite word..retard, retard, retard. You love to use the very word which best describes your foolish self. Ha ha ha dumbass… The joke is on YOU. Ha ha ha…”
Driving you nuts is it? being called a retard and not being able to show the world that you aren’t? Here let me give you a hint. Go read some sites and get some ideas, steal some “evidence” and an argument off someone else, then come on back here and post it.
Then I’ll shoot it down. But at least it will look like you actually used whatever brain you might have, unlike now. Try it, you might enjoy it.
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@Paul T
“Hey there DEEP RED. This krazykarma dude is brain dead. An egotistical, theatrical upstart. You said it correctly that he’s too simple, a simpleton, to understand simple facts.”
As soon as you actually POST SOME, retard I’ll try to “understand” your “facts”. So far all I’ve seen from you is whining about me calling you a retard. Grow a pair, Pauly boy! Try and fight like a man instead of a little girl.
ARGUMENT -> EVIDENCE -> CONCLUSION. That’s how you make a point. Whining about being called a retard just makes you look like a retard!
“He is 100% wound up in his own agenda and completely unable to engage in conversation.”
I’m TRYING TO! I present some evidence – you don’t talk about it and whine, I present MORE evidence – you don’t talk about it and whine. I ask YOU to present some evidence – you just whine.
That’s the sum total of what has gone on here. I’m trying my best to engage you, but like the Georgian army, you keep running away and begging someone else to help you!
Come on, PUT UP or SHUT UP!
“Basically a Neanderthal. He’ll come back with his little soap opera, calling us retards. Hey, that’s pretty much all this nutter can do.”
You’re right, that IS all I can do right now. I show my evidence and you ignore it, not even attempting to argue against it, then YOU don’t show any evidence that I can argue or even agree with… NOTHING. So what else can I do but call you a retard?
If all you are going to do is whine, then all I can do is call you a retard. It’s that simple – even you should be able to understand that! If you actually present an argument of ANY KIND, I’ll be happy to PROVE you are a retard, rather than just calling you one.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
@DEEP RED Addendum
By the way, why did you avoid talking about this:
““Can you not grasp the concept that AGW can be real, AND “the NWO” can be misusing it for their own purposes? Is that so hard to understand?”
Care to share with us your view on this? Or do you want to just keep dodging the issue and making obviously retarded statements?”
Let us remind ourselves what you said:
“If you do believe they exists: THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT AGW. IS A FRAUD. It’s just NOT real.””
So, a question. How does the existence or otherwise, prove or disprove AGW?
It seems to me that you made a retarded statement and, when I called you on it, changed the subject. So let’s just focus on that one thing for a moment, shall we?
Try and make an argument, with evidence, that can show that the existence of “The NWO” proves that “AGW is a fraud”. It should be a fairly simple argument to make, if true, so try it.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:38 am
ALL MYTH FRUITCAKE! I don’t believe in the NWO. nor do I believe in AGW.
I just don’t believe sorry
August 13th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
See Global Warming Petition Project
http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html
August 17th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
@DEEP RED
“ALL MYTH FRUITCAKE! I don’t believe in the NWO. nor do I believe in AGW.
I just don’t believe sorry”
Oh, don’t be sorry at all, because I don’t give a shit what you believe. The fact is AGW is real, and if you don’t believe it then that simply shows you are a retard.
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@Paul T
Ah, the phony petition signed by ignorant people who were lied to! Yes, go have a look at it, but be sure to check this page out:
http://www.petitionproject.org.....gners.html
That’s the page where they admit there are only 40 climatologists on that list, and less than a thousand people who know ANYTHING about climate related science. The rest are just suckers who got conned.
Sort of like Paul T, only less stupid because at least they have an education in SOMETHING