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Gossip blog claims Mancow waterboarding may be a ‘hoax’
Raw Story
Friday, May 29, 2009
Conservatives dismissed the waterboarding “conversion” of Chicago radio host Erich “Mancow” Muller as a stunt, but was it even worse?
According to e-mails obtained by a gossip blog, the whole thing may have been an elaborate hoax. Although whether the joke is supposed to be on critics of waterboarding remains to be seen.
Last week, as RAW STORY reported, Muller decided he’d get himself waterboarded to prove the technique wasn’t torture.
It didn’t turn out that way. “Mancow,” in fact, lasted just six or seven seconds before crying foul. Apparently, the experience went pretty badly — “Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop,” according to NBC Chicago.
“I wanted to prove it wasn’t torture,” Mancow said. “They cut off our heads, we put water on their face…I got voted to do this but I really thought ‘I’m going to laugh this off.’ ”
The upshot? “It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that’s no joke,” Mancow told listeners. “It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back…It was instantaneous…and I don’t want to say this: absolutely torture.”
However, alleged e-mails obtained by Gawker center around the role of a “Chicago-based publicist named Linda Shafran whose clients include the Jerry Springer and Steve Wilkos shows.”
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In emails dated May 21, Shafran allegedly asked for help from David Kupcinet, who “runs a Chicago-based foundation for veterans called Kup’s Purple Heart Foundation” because she was “hoping that his relationships with Chicago-area veterans and military personnel could help her find a replacement waterboarder.”
Shafran supposedly wrote, “It is going to have to look ‘real’ but of course would be simulated with Mancow acting like he is drowning. It will be a hoax but have to look real.”
Shafran denied that Mancow’s waterboarding was a hoax in the following statement sent to Gawker:
It was NOT a hoax. Early on when we were looking for someone to waterboard, an email was sent out looking for someone to do it and I mistakenly said it would be staged. That was my mistake and a misunderstanding.
But that was early and NOT TRUE AT ALL. It was not staged. NOT AT ALL. When it happened several days later, it was real, honest, actual, not staged.
Any info you have was my mistake. THE WATERBOARDING OF MANCOW WAS REAL!!!!!!
Gawker’s “Cajun boy” skeptically responds, “The glaring discrepancy in Shafran’s statement to us is that her emails to Kupcinet are dated Thursday, May 21st, the day prior to Mancow’s waterboarding, while she now claims that these emails were sent out ‘early on’ and that the waterboarding took place ’several days later.’ Additionally, she even mentions that Mancow ‘is getting waterboarded tomorrow’ in her first note to Kupcinet.”
MSNBC’s most famous personality is also being dragged into this hoax debate.
Regarding the emails between Safran and Kupcinet, our tipster also informed us that they were shared with Keith Olbermann’s producers prior to Mancow’s appearance on his show. We were told that they were beyond livid when they found out about them and expressed their extreme displeasure for the whole situation with Linda Shafran over the phone, but went ahead with the planned segment anyway, making no mention of the fact that they’d received advance word that the whole thing may have been staged. However, we were unable to confirm this with anyone at MSNBC.
Gawker’s blogger also points to differences in the videotaped waterboardings of Mancow and Christopher Hitchens, but still isn’t completely convinced it’s a hoax, or at least, doesn’t really want to be.
Despite the emails indicating that the whole thing may have been staged, there’s a small part of us that still wants to extend Erich “Mancow” Muller the benefit of the doubt, despite his being no stranger to controversy, but our skepticism at this point is pretty dang high, and we can’t help from feeling as though we, along with a host of others, have been duped by a cheap publicity stunt.
One Daily Kos diarist asks, “If Mr. Muller was going to fake breaking under the waterboarding, why not just have the real thing done to him?”
“It just seems more logical to me that the people getting scammed here were the Gawker crowd,” Kevin Holsinger writes at Daily Kos. “And if they were being scammed, I’d recommend that the next time DeepColon@foxnews.com emails them with a ‘tip’, they pass.”
A blogger at Inside Cable News writes, “After reading this I’m not sure Gawker has a case. But then I’m no expert on waterboarding. I suspect Gawker will make the WPiTW list tonight…” (a reference to Keith Olbermann’s ‘Worst Person in The World’ segments).
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May 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
BORED BLOGGERS ARE ALL WET
By Mancow Muller May 29, 2008
I am not a magician. Many news cameras were there!
Obviously, it was on the radio and I wasn’t in prison. I’m also not a radicalized Muslim terrorist. But it was not a hoax! I repeat: NOT A HOAX.
We kept telling management, the insurance companies, and the local Chicago cops we weren’t really going to do it – until we did. Otherwise, they weren’t gonna let us do it! We got a U.S. Marine that told us he had studied how to do it and he volunteered to waterboard me in return for a mention of his charity.
I was on a decline and I was waterboarded. Was I in chains? No. Does that make it less real? I am failing to get the point attempted by my detractors. We never claimed it was an exact recreation.
The CIA technique is exactly what we did:
1. Keep the chest elevated above the head and neck to keep the lungs “above the waterline.”
2. Incline the head, both to keep the throat open and to present the nostrils for easier filling.
3. Force the mouth open so that water can be poured into both the nose and mouth.
Sorry, I thought for years it wasn’t torture and now I do. The video is there for all to see.
The left has taken my message and distorted it as well. Would I wanterboard to save my daughters (or any American children)? Yes!
The three terrorists that were waterboarded at Guantanamo were done so by military professionals. And it was done to save lives with America’s best interests at heart. Mine was a silly radio time filler in comparison. Its apples & hand grenades!
It would be insane to equate what I did with anything that happens in prison. I am simply a free man in a radio studio that always tries to get inside the big issues. This is an ugly issue with no easy answers. But I now see it’s easier for some to dismiss me than to do any real soul searching on this very heady issue.
May 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
all this proves is venturas statement is true all those big blowhards are just a bunch of pussies!!!!!!!!!!!
PD Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Ventura, who also underwent the procedure, unequivocally calls waterboarding torture. What is your point?
May 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
All the proponents of waterboarding should be waterboarded, as everyone who thinks population reduction is a good idea, should be reduced to dust.
May 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
But is really torture ?
It not electrodes on the testicles or acid down the throat. Pulling out finger nails .
No question Water-boarding is not fun, Right!
But it is a technique that creates a “Sensation” of drowning.
I guess like the Back to the Future ride gives the “sensation” of flying and diving. But your not going actually die in a flying car crash.
I said before ,every one year old kid in this country ,has been water-board by his mother. In the the good old sink ,when mom pours a bowl of water over the baby head.
Just like that baby Mancow after they finish spiting the water out,they go back to playing.
Mancow setting up these Lib’s for a media bait & switch.
GWScam Reply:
May 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Of course it’s Torture you idiot. Anybody that tortures others is one sick insane bitch.
deborah Reply:
May 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Hey, we do not lay our babies back and pour water down their noses, or throats.
You are a real sicko.
Do not justify waterboarding, just because of what your mother did to you. There are some rules to war. Most never follow them. Never the less, torture is torture.
LRRP 1968 Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 5:12 am
Why don’t you try it there he-man. See what you think. If a wimp like Mancow can do ti even for 6 seconds you ought to be really able to impress us.
Drop me a note I’ll be happy to do it for you, tape it to show your friends.
Sgt.Fury Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Can any of you dummies actually read and think ?
Or do you all just go right to screaming it’s torture. Like a chicken little running around ,. The sky is falling… the sky is falling.
So it a scary procedures that makes you think your drowning . That what it was designed to do ..dummy.
But your not going to drown ! Are you. In fact can you actually drown someone this procedure ?
It an interrogation technique designed and used to break the will power of the enemy.
So Mancow lasted 6 seconds and called a time out. So what ! Was he injured ? No .
He sat up and did a radio show in a matter of seconds.
(Wow ! I taken more time to recover from a good run.)
Then he went out had dinner and then went on a media blitz.
Compare that to the real torture used in WWII and Vietnam.
Shit! John McCain stillcan’t raise his hands over his head to this day.
Let’s save the word Torture for real torture. Like when some jahadist hacks your head off while taping it for your wife and the world to watch. * See Danial Pearl.
It not Tea and cookies and respect for the Koran . As I posted in the past.
Do think US troops give up information for cold beer and ESPN Sport Center.
Marine Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Hey Scumbag Furytard! I’m a former Marine I will be happy to perform the procedure on you. Lets see if you got any balls! My corpsman friend will be present, he is now a Physicians assistant, for your safety. I want to see how long your ass will be all that. I went thru waterboarding in S.E.A.R.’s school, just like Mr. Ventura. You got the ball’s Fury? I have them I DID IT FOR REAL!!!! This proceedure is torture and IS classified as such by the Geneva Convention. Man up boy! lets see what you got!!! I already know what you got ……….NOTHING! BY the way, asphyxiation is the direct cause of death from waterboarding for your DUMMY ASS info!!!!
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May 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
If waterboarding is not torture, why did the US EXECUTE Japanese officers who did this in WWII?
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May 30th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
He didn’t dare expose himself to a real waterboarding. Notice that waterboarding requires the incline of the “entire” body so that the head is angled downward slightly. He only elevated his feet. Only elevating the feed adds nothing to the experiance. His feet were not tied together as you have thought otherwise how did he bolt upward so fast. Had his feet and hands been properly tied then he would have indeed experianced some real discomfort. He would have really embarresed himself then. No at the first discomfort he rose up. He would have possibly been crying if he was delayed for a second or two required for his helpers to lift his head on a real waterboard testing.
Marine Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
You ever been thru waterboarding? I didn’t think so….. You read some bullshit manual and think it is the shit. Try it if your man enough.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:16 am
The debate over what exactly constitutes torture distracts us from the more important issue of prisoner abuse, both domestic and foreign. Prisoners should not be abused. Is waterboarding abuse–obviously!
May 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am
I think the average person doesn’t understand what water boarding is. They think water is just poured over the face, blocking the air. However, they lower the head so water goes in through the nose, the water then fills the oral cavity and the throat causing the person to choke if they try to breath. There is also pain from the water in the sinus cavity. If one wants to inflict severe, horrifying pain, they use Coca Cola. Governments keep more quiet on that one though.
Marine Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Other fluid’s are also substituted for water and Coca Cola.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am
In order combat terrorism you must realize that there are things that we are gonna have to do that are not pretty. Yes, morally it may be wrong but we must make a choice between doing what some consider torture and protecting this country by all means necessary.
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Artyom Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Did you receive those talking points from Dick Cheney or you just watched Fox News so often your brain conformed to these ideas?
PD Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 6:46 pm
The cowards and the propagandists who proudly line up behind what ever evil their country inflicts in the name of “homeland” or “national security” can find find themselves in difficult circumstances when political situations change. The KGB justified its terror. Genrikh Yagoda was head of the precursor to the KGB during 1934-36, helped establish the Gulag system, tortured and oppressed many in Russia and Ukraine and yes was in charge of “interrogations” for the state. When he fell afoul of Stalin he was replaced by Nikolai, “the bloody dwarf” Yezhov who ordered him beaten then executed. Prior to his execution he is reported to have stated, “From Stalin I deserved nothing but gratitude for my faithful service; from God I deserved the most severe punishment for having violated his commandments thousands of times. Now look where I am and judge for yourself: is there a God, or not…”
Similarly the German army officers who tortured and killed to defend homeland found a different situation in Nuremburg when they were viewed as sadists and terrorists despite their allegiance to country.
To kill in self defense of one’s country is very unfortunate but understandable. However, the information gleaned from torture has from multiple authorities been declared as unreliable. What purpose does it serve? It lessens the affinity of allies, costs the respect of the world and justifiably angers enemies. Torture is a cancer in society which degrades the moral fabric of the society it infects, destroying morale and replacing freedom and rights with fear. It must not be allowed to gain a further foothold in this country if we wish to prosper and survive.
It may be wise to think long and hard on where one wishes to stand on this issue. Being so weakened as a country can be by pervasive torture, those who now wish to back it may in future have to answer for this position to some authority other than their state
PD Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Likely should have mentioned that Yagoda’s successor Yezhov also ended his career in like manner, being tortured, confessing to personal failings and crimes against the state, begging for mercy and fainting when sentenced to execution.
Artyom Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Now you can understand Kruschev’s era of de-Stalinization.
Marine Reply:
May 31st, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Your just stupid artyom.
Artyom Reply:
June 1st, 2009 at 3:19 am
On what basis do you think I am stupid? Have you ever lived in the Soviet Union? I respected Marines, but I think name calling an individual just reflects bad character.
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