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Health insurance mandate alarms some
David G. Savage
LA Times
Tuesday, Nov 3rd, 2009
Critics say it may be unconstitutional to charge a penalty for not buying a product. Supporters compare the mandate to car insurance requirements.
Reporting from Washington – Among some libertarians and conservatives, the most troubling aspect of the pending healthcare reform bills is the prospect of a federal requirement that Americans buy insurance.
“What next? Can Congress order you to buy spinach?” asked Roger Pilon, director of constitutional studies at the Cato Institute.
He and other defenders of limited federal power foresee a constitutional challenge to the mandate to buy insurance based on the claim that Congress’ power to regulate commerce does not extend to forcing citizens to buy a commercial product.
“I think the individual mandate will be challenged. And it will be a close call,” Pilon said.
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November 3rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
The rationale for healthcare reform was to improve affordability and availability for all — not to penalize those who can’t afford it. If all Congress is doing is padding insurance profit, then this bill should be stopped.
November 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
What government needs to do is implement stronger controls on tobacco and make it illegal to posess, manufracture,distrbute and most of all, to smoke it. Once govrnment does that then all this health problem will simply evporae into thin air, like a puff of smoke. Let the filthy smokers go to jail already, I don’t give a dam and hate every last one of them.
Smoker Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Isn’t your man in charge (POTUS) a smoker? Are you implying we should jail the president?? That doesn’t seem like a very true democrat liberal to me…sorry… Furthermore, if you lost the tax revenue generated by all of us ‘filthy smokers’, you’d have an even harder time funding all of the entitlement/giveaways/cashforclunkers/FREE INSURANCE ideas you idiots come up with. Save your ideas; we use logic here.
JESS Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
haha nice smoker.. and im not a smoker but I believe its a personal choice.. if you want to smoke, go smoke! If you don’t want to buy healthcare u shouldn’t be forced to!!
meanjean Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I agree with you both, but who pays for all the hospital bills when the sick or injured don’t have insurance? Our taxes? Or just government run hospitals, paid for from our taxes?
Smo King Chimney Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
only 20% of Americans smoke, yet we are the most unhealthy country on the planet. 2/3 of us are overweight or obese. Does tobacco cause obesity? 1/3 of us are pre diabetic or diabetic. Does tobacco cause diabetes. by 2015 1 out of every 2 american assholes will have some form of cancer in their lifetime, but only 10 to 15% will be tobacco related. Did you attend gubsamunts pubic Skrolll?
Ronin Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm
U.S. citizens ill health problems are mostly due to what we ingest. Aspartame, MSG, High Fructose Corn Syrup, artificial dyes, extreme excess consumption of sugars, bovine growth hormone (yes it’s in most all fast food via the beef), sodium fluoride via tap water, soy products (soy is the number 1 most common food allergy), etc etc etc… Not to mention all the false vaccines mandated for most school goers.
November 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I have no intention of getting health insurance, nor do I pay taxes in my “profession”.
I do however have an M4 rifle loaded with hollow-point rounds. I hope anybody who attempts to enforce this unconstitutional law has a good life insurance plan.
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:14 pm
ALERT! Mandatory Vaccinations are part of new USA Health Care Insurance!
The Federal Government’s mandatory, health, insurance plan contains a provision for MANDATORY vaccinations. This is beyond AMAZING! All government mandated vaccinations will need to be up- to- date — or NO health care will be provided. This is extortion! There is no REAL choice. The American people must reject this insane mandatory vaccination scheme!!! Consider this: If you wind -up in the emergency room, will the government insist you get vaccinated prior to treatment? This is outrageous.
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Health Nutt Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Dominican Repuplic looks better by the day. Have gold, will travel.
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Become one with Tyranny, it’s hard on the soul but easy on the flesh!!
Let us now “ohm” in green unison of carbon death care bliss, ohm……..
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
The analogy of linking health insurance to auto insurance make sense. Illegal aliens skip buying both, and everyone else picks up the tab. (sick humor!)
I’ve had heath insurance for over 40 years and never got sick enough where I wouldn’t have been able to cover the expense without it. Most states let you skip buying auto insurance if you post a bond instead, maybe that would be a fair way to mandate having health insurance rather than having others constantly picking the pockets of those who live healthy life-styles?
Health Nutt Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Then you wasted an awful lot of money by buying unnecessary insurance. Think if you had put that premium money into gold. What an idiot you are. And most states won’t let you skip auto insurance by posting a bond. I only know or a few. Oklahoma and Alabama, and Florida for motor cycle insurance if you want to ride without a helmet. You, kind sir, are ignunt.
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Okay, when insurance became manditory in Kalifornia, my premiums doubled, and I had to sell my car because the insurance was too much. I thought it should have gone down. FUCK ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES AND BANKS. THEY can eat a dick!!!
Fraudulent Claim Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
They do eat dick, and harry, and Jerry, and Marge, and kelly, and you!! HeeHeeHee. When you get a shot at them, take it and stick it to ‘em.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
The problem here is that the American people don’t have high paid lobbyists in DC to payoff the politicians to enact legislation that will make our lives more tolerable.
Fire the Liars and lets get down to business getting this nation put back together again.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Alan …how much money was extorted from you in all these years…that you never used? Where did it go? What about the avegarge pErson…WHO JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY PERIOD…FOR ‘ANY’ HEALTH INSURANCE…I am a military retiree..and i cannot even afford it..also, my teeth are rotting out of my mouth..AND i had to get an emergency loan..for treatment…STOP THE DIRTY FILTHY PROPAGANDA..
Dr Ortho Donte Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
He does have shit for a brain. Your teeth shouldn’t be rotting out. Use Xylitol and oil of clove mouthwash (homemeade) 2 times/day for 30 seconds or more each each time, cat’s claw supplements, and raise your Vitamin D levels to at least 65 ng/Dl. You won’t even need to brush anymore. Butt do it for the children.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
WHY IS IT AMERIKA SPENDS MILLIONS…YES MILLIONS DAILY OCCUPYING KOREA-GERMANY-OKINAWA-IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN AND BLAH BLAH BLAH..BUT HAS NO MONEY TO HELP KEEP IT’S ‘OWN’ PEOPLE HEALTHY? WHAT A DIRTY DEMONIC ENTITY..AMERIKKKA IS..
Cave Dweller Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
They don’t want you healthy. You might overpower them. They want you to be sick, feeble, and even homosexual.
Joe Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Simple, they want you just healthy enough to slave but not enough to have a choice. Same reason you can’t get a living wage. Only a small (acceptable) percentage should have any kind of choice according to modern thinking. After all you have to have a few happy “managers” to work the slaves.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
“Critics say it may be unconstitutional to charge a penalty for not buying a product”
Gee, ya think?
Joe Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
When has that stopped the creations of laws when money is to be made? Washington is a exclusive club and you and I aren’t in it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
first they destroy the monetary system, then make you pay for enslavement
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Why do I hear you cry, “Constitution, it’s against the Constitution.” There is no Constitution nor is there any guaranteed right. You will take whatever the government gives you and shut the hell up. The government has become absolute and there is no discussion. If you want to change that, it’s too late! What are you going to do … take up arms? I don’t think so! You are stupid, arrogant, cowardly, disorganised, and have lost your moral compass somewhere amid the wreckage of a once great society. Answer: Vote with your feet. Get out while you can! I did.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
america is heading towards civil war because those who work to support those who don’t have had just about enough.
Patriotgal Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:43 am
WORD!
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
If they mandate health insurance, people who have it should drop it, and those who don’t should refuse to buy it. The line has to be drawn somewhere. What is your future, and your children’s and grandchildren’s future, worth?
The comparison to state-mandated car insurance is invalid. That is a state-level issue that needs to be dealt with by the people in the individual states.
The federal government does not have any authority to mandate the purchase of anything, possible future court decisions be damned. Letting the federal government mandate that we buy something is an entirely new and disasterous precedent. It goes beyond the evil extortion known as the federal income tax. It is outright slavery.
It is each generation’s responsibility to defend their liberty, and to reclaim it when inroads have been made. We should pass liberty on to the next generation as fully as possible. We will be cursed by future generations if we let ourselves be enslaved and pass that legacy on to them.
It’s time to stand and fight!
November 4th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Everyone who opposes this piece-of-tripe legislation will be classified as a domestic terrorist. Wait and see. Or rise up now.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I absolutely agree, it is just as UNCONSTITUTIONAL as requiring automobile insurance!!!
November 4th, 2009 at 7:47 am
If I said it once I said it a thousand times…
Stop buying what they are selling and they go out of business.
Insurance is an old scam that runs parrallel with central banking.
One must determine who benefits most from this rediculous legislation.
It certainly isn’t us.
One trait of free-men,in a free country,is having a choice in whether you want to do business with this company or that corporation,.
I hear a lot of people saying that it would be good to get some of the dead-beats out there who cannot pay to pay,because they think they pay for those who cannot,this is horseshit,any business loss is deductible from your tax bill,and then they recover the full amount of the loss and send it to collection,and get paid again if the ignorant sheep don’t realise this fact.
The scam is that WE pay for nothing more than once.
This is the “Old World Order”,some things just won’t go away until more people get their heads out of the sand and do something about it.
Sometimes nothing is the best thing to do,stop using their system,stop paying them.
The whole works is falling down around their ears anyway,let it finish falling.’
Don’t let them scare you into submission,if you do,your life really is a waste of time.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Funny how they are funded by us to build warmaking equipment,that in the end will be used against us.
Shameful.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Here’s the deal…
Not every insurance plan will be counted by the feds for the purposes of this bill, to be determined on the fly. So we have the potential then for total control over the masses… Forced vaccinations, forced diet, forced meds, schooling, everything (or you can pay the uber tax) It could potentialy get to the point where only insurance policies that prohibit home-schooling will count for these purposes… the uses are endless and best of all…… its all under color of law, that is to say it wont be illegal to home school your child, but you will be penalized without benefit of courts or constitutional protections – for example.
The comparison to forced car insurance is not applicable here because whatever power is not given to the fed is left for the state or to the people (US Const.) so the states may well have the “right” to force you to buy something, However, the state doesnt force you to buy anything, as you CHOOSE to drive, and thus you choose to submit to having to buy the insurance. We are not forced to drive and thus we do not need insurance if we dont drive. This (un)health bill would be more akin to the states making you buy gasoline at Shell, whether you have a car or not.
Shrewd is the one that has seen the calamity and proceeds to conceal himself, but the inexperienced have passed along and must suffer the penalty.
Peace.