At Penn Hills High School this morning, Chief Burton said, a student was walking up and down a hallway, using a cell phone. School policy permits students to have cell phones but not to use them during school except in emergencies, Chief Burton said.
A Penn Hills police officer told him to put the phone away and go to class.
“The kid refused to listen,” Chief Burton said. “The officer took him by the arm and said, ‘You have to go to the office.’ The student resisted, pushed the officer. The officer, defending himself, took out his stun gun and did a drive stun.”
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Chief Burton said a drive stun involves pushing the Taser against a portion of the body and squeezing the trigger, thus immobilizing a portion of the body, such as the leg. He said this affects about a 2- or 3-inch area.
While on the floor, the student was still resisting and was placed in handcuffs, Chief Burton said. The student complained of a headache and dizziness and was taken to Forbes Regional Hospital.
June 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Amazing.
Regarding Sotomayor, look at this comment someone wrote on another board.
“In my experience with having been married to an ex-Wiccan priestess, and having a collection of neopagan books I’ve used for cultural research that total roughly six shelf-feet, “Wise woman” is always a euphemism for feminist witch (neo-pagan). Whenever you see a feminist “scholar” describing, say, the Witch of Endor from the Bible or the witchhunts of the middle ages, they ALWAYS replace the word “witch” with “wise woman”. I have never heard a feminist or a neo-pagan use the word “wise woman” to describe an actually wise woman. It’s as much a loaded word as a Communist referring to someone as a “fellow traveler”. As for her being “Catholic”, frankly, the most intense feminist neo-pagans I know have Catholic backgrounds. ”
This was in reference to this article:
Sotomayor Repeatedly Referenced ‘Wise Woman’ in Speeches
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/le.....rence.html
scott Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
wierd wild stuff, keep it coming
anyone notice reconmarine only trolls geopolitical threads, sure sign of an agent
THE NAKED EMPEROR Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 7:48 am
reconmoron is a half wit!!! the protorobot for the new idiocracy!
June 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am
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My Springfeild XD Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Go away roger, you are on the wrong site ya moron….
UandI Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I think this was George W himself.
MARIA Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 10:58 am
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Xtremist Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 3:18 am
YEAH!!!
roflstompr Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:55 am
haha i LOLd
June 5th, 2009 at 9:55 am
stupid kid should have known better
Henry Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Yeah, these cops are really young.
Freedom Lost Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Thats right OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY!OBEY! OR ELSE, SLAVE!
Yeah Mike thats right, just obey, slave…. you ARE NOT FREE!!!
MR KNOW IT ALL 2 Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
I WAS SUSPENEDED 10 TIMES BEFORE I WAS EXPELLED IN 79, IN 9TH GRADE.
I’D HAVE TAKEN THAT TAZER AND SHOVED IT UP HIS ASS AND PULLED THE TRIGGER.
I HAD MY OWN ASSIGNED ROOM IN DETENTION HOME, I WAS A REGULAR.
REST ASSURD, THAT COP WOULD HAVE HAD HIS ASS FRYED.
IF I HAD TO, I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT MY OWN, AND AMBUSHED HIM AS HE WALKED DOWN THE HALL.
WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE DONE, GIVE ME 90 DAYS IN JUVIE ?
June 5th, 2009 at 10:12 am
The common thread in ALL these taser incidents are the same. “The kid refused to listen”
It’s not the using of a Cell phone, or a 72 year old grandmother speeding, or not cutting the grass in your yard – It’s “The kid refused to listen”
Cops (and rent-a-cops) are on such a God like power trip that not bowing down to their perceived Godliness is a capital offense. In some cases they just skip the taser and shoot you with a real gun, though the taser gives them and even higher rush due to being able to watch you flail around and cry for mercy.
Can you blame them? Most of these guys have grown up playing Military designed combat simulators to desensitize them to violence and acclimate them to killing. When that rush wears off, they join the military to get a taste of the real action and serve 3 or 4 tours in Iraq torturing children Abu Ghraib style and killing whole families for looking at them wrong. When they finally go home with PTSD and a host of related mental disorders, they get jobs with the police or as rent-a-cops.
These guys now use their new found skills in killing and torture on US!
Innocent Bystander Reply:
June 8th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Yep, no more to be added here as you have summed up the situation totally. t’s all about the fact that someone refused to bow to the godlike self of the policeperson. Thats why they join the these armed services against the people.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:27 am
pain compliance seems to be the norm these days.we are far down the road to total tyranny.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:28 am
The article says that the police officer tased the kid in self-defense, after the kid pushed him. It’s insane. If the cop can’t handle a teenager on a cellphone without 50,000V, he shouldn’t be inside a school. Well, cops shouldn’t be inside schools routinely anyway, but that’s beside the point.
The dangers of tasers are becoming well known, but that is not slowing their use. That is very telling, because many of the cops using them are obviously doing it to fuel their own power trip.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:28 am
It’s not okay for us to spank our kids anymore to give them respect for authority, but I guess it’s okay to taser them!!! Oh, yeah, I forgot, only the State can do that. It’s too bad we aren’t “allowed” to discipline our children and then have to end up worrying that they will end up getting tasered while at school by some cowardly ineffective donut with a God complex.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:00 am
yeah well you know slaves were told to pick cotton, plow the field, and live in chains, and when they didn’t they didn’t get tazered, they got wiped, its the same thing, you do as i say or i hurt you, how do you define evil more clearly?
FastFlyingPig Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:32 am
That’s ridiculous. Kids aren’t slaves and parents aren’t slave masters. I guess you’d give your kid a time-out for running into traffic wouldn’t you? A beating from someone who doesn’t care about your wellbeing is one thing and a spanking for the child’s own good from a parent who loves him/her is quite another. God help us if you can’t seem to see the difference.
roflstompr Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:58 am
.. hes saying the government, elites, and authority figures are the slave masters. and hes talking about that if we discipline our children we will have social services pushed on us.
learn to read before you write plz. k thnx bye
falafeloctopus Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
***A beating from someone who doesn’t care about your wellbeing is one thing and a spanking for the child’s own good from a parent who loves him/her is quite another***
Having been someone who was beaten from 0 to 18 by a parent that claimed to “love” me and having to hear weak excuses for it like “it was for my own good” constantly, I can tell you you’re dead wrong. You’re dead wrong to think that pulling down somebody’s pants in public and hitting them in what is normally thought of as a private place is “for someone’s own good”. You’re dead wrong to think that it’s OK or acceptable to beat kids with weapons like belts, clothes hangers, or to beat them with whatever happens to be close by(don’t you fucking dare try to whine to me about hyperbole; this is what evil cavemen fucks who try to justify spanking do to little kids, they just hide behind bible quotes and don’t tell you)
You’re not “spanking” or “disciplining” anybody. You’re beating their ass. That’s it. An ass-beating is an ass-beating no matter how you want to sugar-coat or slice it. Hiding behind euphemisms will NOT change what you are doing. You’re not doing shit “for someone’s own good”, you’re not “teaching” anybody anything, you’re trying to force someone else to submit to you or associate something with pain and fear. Once fists or hands come up, all bets are off. You are trying to physically hurt someone, you are trying to injure them, you are trying to bring them closer to death no matter how infinitesimal the distance. You are performing an act of enmity. I don’t give a deep-fried fuck about what your intentions are, there is NO love or concern what-so-fucking-ever in doing something like that. If you feel like what a little kid is doing is so terrible that you have to beat them, then you DON’T love them. Love and violence are ALWAYS mutually exclusive.
And before you pull the “WELL, I GOT SPANKED/BEATEN AND I’M FINE” line, or the classic “WELL, IT WORKS” argument, I can tell you I’m one of the cases where it obviously hasn’t worked and where I’m obviously NOT fine. I’m one of the many who are NOT fine with being beaten with weapons or randomly kicked or punched for whatever stupid bullshit excuse your generation wants to make up to weakly justify it. You know what I used to do to evil fucks like you who would do that to me when I was little, parent or not? Beat the shit out of you! Throw stuff at you, bite you, whatever it took, I would NEVER let an older motherfucker do that shit to me. And I can tell you, against you cowardly fucks it worked damn well, and I can tell you, it was NEVER out of love or “for your own good”.
Anybody who tries to justify beating a little kid needs an ass-whipping themselves.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:16 am
“The officer grabbed the kid by the arm and the kid pushed him away.”
Sounds like the cop assaulted the kid and he was defending himself.
roflstompr Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
im a junior in highschool. this happened to a friend of mine and all the did was get ontop of him and put him in cuffs, which i actually condone, however a tazer imo is a bit much.. and if it was bit much for rodney king idk maybe we should riot? =P
June 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am
just because the kid didn’t comply with the “peace” officer that gave him the right to forcibly grab the student? Since when is pushing off an aggressor considered an offensive move? The kid was defending himself. To taze in self-defense of this kid defending himself is BS.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am
What the hell is a police officer doing in a high school hallway??
When did this become acceptable??
Have I been out to lunch??
It’s no fuckin’ wonder people want to home school their kids!
roflstompr Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
They are EVERYWHERE! we have 3 in my high school along with an ex-secret service as head of security (i shit you not). its rediculous what it has come to. whats next? national guard members? marines? shit maybe we will have a helicopter flying around with crosshairs on the school
MR KNOW IT ALL 2 Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I WOULD FABRICATE FAKE SUSPICIOUS PACKAGES FULL OF NOTHING BUT A BALONEY SANDWICH AND PLACE THEM EVERYWHERE IN SCHOOL.
THEY WANT TERROR AND TERRORISTS, I’D GIVE IT TO THEM.
WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THIS NOW, PLACING THEM EVERYWHERE, MAKE THEM DISARM 50 BALONEY SANDWHICHES EVERYDAY IN EVERY TOWN…
SHOW THEM HOW STUPID THEY REALLY ARE.
Blue Pill Society Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 10:23 am
i actually like that idea lol
falafeloctopus Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
That would be… funny as hell XD
Macy Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
That is funny. I can see myself getting arrested for something that stupid.
Adam_infowarrior Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Yeah, It’s wierd even when I was in school (ten years ago)there was a full time officer in the school. There were also cameras in every hallway and an office with full time rent a cop personell to moniter the cameras. So if anyone had reason to fight they would take it into the bathroom to avoid detection from all of the cameras.
Around the time I was getting out of school which was a year or two before 9/11. In the Clinton police state era. They were talking about giving all students an i.d. badge that would be required to be worn at all times to travel from classroom to classroom. This was touted as a benevolent security measure post Columbine. I don’t know whether or not that system has been implimented yet. What I did find out however is that all of those cameras in the hallways are linked up to the Central dispatch police station, located just down the street. The cameras which apparently are also affixed to the outside of the school send a live feed 24/7 to the police station and even to a SWAT van.
I had my own run in with this system just a couple years out of high school. I was out drinking (after having just turned 21) and needed to relieve myself. I told the designated driver to pull over somewhere that I really had to go. So they pulled over right in front of the high school. I looked around and didn’t see anyone or any cars so I ran up to the wall and did my bussiness. Well to my utter surprise before I was even finished I heard a couple of sirens and out of nowhere came a couple police cruisers who were on me like gang busters getting out of their cars as I finished. I turned around and was confronted with my old DARE officer who also happened to be the high school officer I reffered to earlier. His partner, I could tell wanted to arrest me or give me a ticket at the very least.
I quickly identified myself to him and he joked and let me go on my way. {This cop is actually I have to say one of the nicest you could meet.} It wasn’t until some years later that I discovered why and how the police responded so quickly to this incident. Although I had a few drinks that night my perception was very clear and I know that these cops weren’t just sitting on the corner they were actually called to the scene and arrived before I could even finish taking a leak! haha.
After reading a book called “Snitch Culture” penned by Jim reddin I discovered why. The school got a sizable grant from the federal government to set up the surveilance infrastructure in the school. For years schools have also used froms such as the posit (problem oriented screening instrument for teenagers) to keep tabs on the behavior and activities of students and even their families and friends. I remember having to fill these out on a couple of occasions, when it came to anything about alchohol use, (or ocassional pot use which was the extent of my youthfull escapades) even though I had tried it I would always lie. I rightfully felt that it was none of thier business, even if they did claim that the form would be kept confidential and not used for disciplinary purposes. This is probably why my unwitting stoner friends all ended up being enrolled in an anti drug diversion program. They probably filled out the form honesly and then were monitered when leaving school for breaks, followed and then eventually cuaght red handed.
Here is a sample of the posit form questions:
Problem Oriented Screening Instrument for Teenagers (POSIT)
Do you brag? Yes No
Do you get into trouble because you use drugs or alcohol at school? Yes No
Do your friends get-bored at parties when there is no alcohol served? Yes No
Is it hard for you to ask for help from others? Yes No
Has there been adult supervision at the parties you have gone to recently? Yes No
Do your parents or guardians argue a lot? Yes No
Do you usually think about how your actions will affect others? Yes No
Have you recently either lost or gained more than 10 pounds? Yes No
Have you ever been intimate with someone who shot up drugs? Yes No
Do you often feel tired? Yes No
Have you had trouble with stomach pain or nausea? Yes No
Do you get easily frightened? Yes No
Have any of your best friends dated regularly during the past year? Yes No
Have you dated regularly in the past year? Yes No
Do you have a skill, craft, trade or work experience? Yes No
Are most of your friends older than you are? Yes No
Do you have less energy than you think you should? Yes No
Do you get frustrated easily? Yes No
Do you threaten to hurt people? Yes No
Do you feel alone most of the time? Yes No
Do you sleep either too much or too little? Yes No
Do you swear or use dirty language? Yes No
Are you a good listener? Yes No
Do your parents or guardians approve of your friends? Yes No
Have you lied to anyone in the past week? Yes No
Do your parents or guardians refuse to talk with you when they are mad at you? Yes No
Do you rush into things without thinking about what could happen? Yes No
Did you have a paying job last summer? Yes No
Is your free time spent just hanging out with friends? Yes No
Have you accidentally hurt yourself or someone else while high on alcohol or drugs? Yes No
Have you had any accidents or injuries that still bother you? Yes No
Are you a good speller? Yes No
Do you have friends who damage or destroy things on purpose? Yes No
Have the whites of your eyes ever turned yellow? Yes No
Do your parents or guardians usually know where you are and what you are doing? Yes No
Do you miss out on activities because you spend too much money on drugs or
alcohol? Yes No
Adam_infowarrior Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Also the id badge that I mentioned was proposed to have an electronic tracking chip in it (rfid) that would need to be scanned to enter any part of the school.
Very Orwellian!
Innocent Bystander Reply:
June 8th, 2009 at 3:02 am
I think you have to lie in any of these assesment tests. you’re a smart kid back then to have figured that one out. I only just figured out that all these online personality, IQ , whatever surveys are just to get personality info stored on us and then I realised that the Fly Buys at the supermarkets that are being pushed are just for tracking our buying patterns , which also tells alot about a person
June 5th, 2009 at 11:39 am
seriously, fuck the police.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:52 am
The “child” involved was 17. He was a problem student thrown out of the Pittsburgh school district sent to the Penn Hills district under government mandate.According to a school board member he punched the policeman in the face. The “child” fought with the policeman and attempted to rest the taser from the policeman. The Pittsburgh juvenile detention center was overcrowded,so the “child” is now walking the streets.
Gary B. Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
With all due respect sir, where did you get that information?
Clifford J Warner Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Reply to Gary B’ inquiry.
My information came from listening to a very frustrated Penn Hills school board member on local,unfiltered talk radio here in Pittsburgh. The Penn Hills school district is having a discipline problem with children ,that’s why they have police in the halls. ( A 6th grader was stopped yesterday passing through the metal detectors with a loaded 9mm,possibly placed there unbeknown to her by a family member.) Many of the problem kids in the district are being raised by their grandmothers who live in the district,they attend the Penn Hills schools while their parents live elsewhere.
As far as the veracity the original news report posted here, I might point out the paper that reported it was the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, the same paper that slandered Alex Jones claiming he incited the crazy young man who shot and killed 3 policeman in Pittsburgh on April 4th of this year.
I’m not saying that there isn’t a problem nationwide with the misuse of tasers,I just don’t think this particular incident is an example of it.
Max Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Hmm… After seeing how this donut handled this “child”, it’s not hard to see where this “child” learned all these violent behaviors.
Whether you want to make fun of the law or not, 18 is the legal age of adulthood, and no perception of age or maturity can change that.
Until “children” are 18, they are “children” by the definition of our law. If you want to gray-out the law and start giving donut-munchers the authority to supersede due process and expedite trial, verdict and punishment based on their own opinions of a person, I hope you invite them to YOUR house first for a little soul-searching!
SC Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
max…i have to diagree with you…the term “adult” vs “child” was abandoned after they started trying kids under 18 as adults. i was reading an article about 3 kids (2, 14…1, 15) that were sodomizing a kid at the high school and were to be tried as adults….so thats ok to try kids with first degree rape….but a 17 year old kid…is still a child…kids are growing up faster than they did back in the day and they just want to do their own thing now. If they want to act like adults then they deserve to be treated like adults. If they wanna be kids and do normal pre- “adult” things then so be in…but assault is assault in any…and have you seen the size of some of these fucking kids now a days…they could all be professional wrestlers…
Max Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Well you can’t have you cake and eat it too. If you’re going to treat kids as adults, then you have to give them adult rights as well. This means that, as in the example described by this article, a cop would have no *right* to tell this kid to stop talking on the phone, since he’s an “adult” now, after all.
I’ve always been opposed to trying minors as adults for the simple reason that it’s non-reciprocal enforcement.
These kids can’t go buy a beer or a pack of smokes, under the law. They can’t get into rated R movies, as per the law. They can’t apply for credit cards, mortgages, loans, titles of ownership of any kind. They’ve got to be represented by a third party to protect themselves in a court of law.
The problem with this entire scenario that law enforcement and the courts have crossed the Rubicon by mis-interpreting the law to facilitate vigilante style revenge against minor offenders, simply to gain the favor of the local constituents (remember, local judges and sheriffs are popularly elected)…
The letter of the law states that a minor is a minor until age 18. If you’re going to say that’s not true, then you have to give them all the benefits that come with being legally of age to represent yourself in daily life.
As for the kids being as big as “pro wrestlers”, I’ve no doubt about this. However, no matter how big the kid is, it’s our job as a society to continue attempting to guide this child on the correct path. It’s maybe not the “easy way” to do it, but it’s the right thing to do. If we can’t find the courage to tackle these issues, while maintaining the fairness and moral authority afforded by implementing a fair and level tiered human rights structure (a.k.a. a parallel set of rights and privileges for minors), then we might as well admit we’re not better than Iran who also tries children as adults and even executes them publicly.
Saying we should treat kids as adults just cause it’s easier to nail them in court and lock them up and forget about them is a total cop-out and I don’t buy it for a second…
Artyom Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Max I agree with you. It undermines a lot of cases. There is a case in Russia where a man married a 14 year old, he being 18 was thrown in prison for having sex with his wife. Now he is in prison while his child and wife are alone. They are young, yes, but they love each other and both families supporter their relationship. That’s the key point is parental consent. Anyways, in the US hypocracy is the rule of day when it comes to law enforcement. I have grown to think of it as one of the US’s greatest industries as one would have court fees, bail, lawyer fees, and then court penalties and punishment. In Russia, crimes commited under age 18 are registered. If they are severe in nature, it will be served out as an adult once the age 18 is reached. They would need rights as you said. However, buying beer in US is rediculous, but that is a whole other debate.
falafeloctopus Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Max: FINALLY somebody fucking says it.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
maybe if the POLICEMAN wasn’t in the high school hallway carrying a TASER, then the kid wouldn’t have been able to attempt to wrestle said taser away?
having a bunch of thugs patrolling the halls of my high school with their hand on a taser for the “offense” of talking on a phone would make me a bit agressive as a teenager also.
my god you can’t even talk on a phone during recess or between classes without being assaulted, then when you fight back it’s not considered entrapment? without being there of course i think the probability is that this crime would have never been committed without the police being around.
SC Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
who the fuck should a 17 year old be calling during school hours anyway…all of his friends should be at the high school he is attending….good fucking god…everything is such a fucking rodney king case now a days…i agree there are a lot of fuckos running around aka BART situation in SF and everything that has been coming up recently, but come the fuck on people…i am as skeptical of PDs as much as everyone else but there is a line that has been crossed when people need to realize when the law is being followed or broken….when i was in high school i had a cell phone…actually starting at when i was in 7th grade…if it went off in class it was immediately taken away and if we needed to make a phone call to someone (which was normally a parent) we would go into the office and take care of it…not walking around whenever the fuck we wanted….and people want to know why we have a bunch of dumb ass kids coming up…well maybe if they fucking stayed in class and got the education they needed we wouldnt have this fucking problem in the first fucking place
Artyom Reply:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
I agree with you SC. The cops are abusing power, but teenagers are also becoming more rude and disresprectful. Nobody, even the biggest trouble maker in my school wouldn’t have gone that far in terms of disrespect. Now times are different everywhere. We weren’t there and we imagine he was being gangster puffing his chest out like he was cool talking about complete nonsense while ignoring the police officer. That very well may have happened. However, until they change schools from day care centers to actual educational facilities, these stories will continue as an ignorant person usually has less respect.
MR KNOW IT ALL 2 Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I USED TO SMOKE POT IN CLASS, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
WE SET OFF TEAR GAS ONCE TO CANCLE A TEST.
WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GROW UP BEAVER ?
Knows not enough Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Due you just proved his point, but what a way to ditch a test… hahhaa
Knows not enough Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
dude… damn.. got too many nachos under my keys … fucking munchies…
Adam_infowarrior Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
The fact is that none of us were there. We don’t get the benefit of the whole story. Having said that the student was probably showing a great deal of disrespect by not even responding to the officers request. Does that warrant being tasered though? Parents aren’t even really allowed to spank a child anymore but if they step out of line in an instution like public school they get 50 volts?!!!!
Also, it’s a valid point that we don’t know who he was talking to or what his particular demeanor was. He could have been wishing his grandmother a happy birthday for all we know. Maybe he was trying to wrap up the conversation but didn’t otherwise outwardly aknowledge the officer’s command and when he pulled a taser the kid might have just freaked and (over?) reacted.
Anyway, ultimately I agree with others who have mentioned the child/adult issue. If you want to label them an adult then their an adult and should be allowed all of the privelages that come along with it, not just the responsibilities. If however we as a society we are not willing to make that leap than we need to protect them as children. One thing I was always tuaght was that the punishment should fit the crime. So was the kid being disrespectfull? Yes. Did that warrant the use of physical force/violence by way of a taser? Probably not.
Also anyone who works in a school environment should realize that students, especially at the high school level get much more antsy and thus become more emboldened toward the end of the school year! I can still remember how you could almost feel the buzz in the air as the school days wound down getting that much closer to the hot care free days of summer and freedom from the institution of school.
Hell Alice Cooper wrote a song about it 30+ years ago!!!!!!
Also, about kids getting worse and worse, that’s probably true but there are also way more restrictions on kids now days.
Hell, when my dad was 17 he would be able to walk into a bar with his friends and have a cold one and shoot some fooseball without even being hassled for I.D.
When I went to school we would get busted for even smoking cigarettes within a hundred feet of the school. Even though I was 18 by my junior year. (my birthday fell just before cut off for enrollment in public school.) The rule was still enforced and I got cuaght a couple of times and had to spend a few afternoons in saturday school.
Anyway my point is that more rules restrictions and guidelines, especially of the unfair or stupid variety- To a teenager who’s hormones are going crazy and brain thinks a little differently from a full grown adult. This begs for more rebellion. Of course this usually prompts school boards to adopt even stricter policies and on and on…………..
I believe when I was in school, they called it a viscous cycle.
Artyom Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Adam, you wrote an excellent reply! I do think rules and regulations have piled on over the years and you are right about the teenagers being through different stress levels than others as their bodies go through changes. I am sure they would react much different than anyone else. Respect has changed and it definitely has to do with society. The inventor of Taser has seriously took common sense out of law enforcement. And he shouldn’t have been tased. I remember not even having notebook computers in my school, but now the children have them. And on top of that mobile phones! There are too many distractions. Schools need to learn how to make someone want to learn. After all there job is to teach. Learning has been turned into a 9 to 5 type job and that takes the fun out of learning for many people. I think the system is more about sorting children into their pre positioned tiers of the pyramid scheme of rulers, thinkers, and workers. More so than actual education. It is a theory of mine… I have nothing to back it up. And if each generation says we are getting worse… What if we really are getting worse? Who would want that? Who is doing it to us? Because wouldn’t it take a controlled effort? Just ideas.. Anyways, I enjoyed reading your reply. I am sure all wish for the times of your father.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Personally I think the police, and military alike are abusing there power. They are a bunch of reformed punks who never got to live out there childhood on the top of society, and now they feel as if they have there chance. They are hurting our children, and killing our families, and have been taught to base there outlook of society on the statistics of which it stands. They are not pulling over the lincolns, but the oldsmobiles. There is something totally wrong here. He was a kid not a man and probably hadn’t even grown his peach fuzz. The cops are fucked up pigs.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
This is a prime example of how the “State” is forcing “COMPLIANCE” on it’s “SUBJECTS”, they don’t care if you do drugs, kill and maim, all they care about is COMPLIANCE, so when they introduce their NEW WORLD ORDER to the unknowing, they will have complete and total……………….COMPLIANCE of the masses!
June 5th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
people need to learn how to defend, and then attack….Whoever threatens you in a violent way with no necessary reason other than in self defense, should be dealt with in the same manner, and taken out. Never under estimate yourself, we are much smarter, we are much quicker, and we are much more resilient, for speaking for myself, am fed up with corruption, and this rise of the 4th reich. We are all under their spells, so wake up, and start fighting. We’ve spoken loud and clear about war, lobbyist, fiat money, and all the other fucking bullshit, so lets starts this god damn revolution already. NWO bring it on, june 22 seems to be a interesting date…..
June 5th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
That is the thing about it. Yes kid refuses to listen. Kids do, Human nature dictates that you have your own mind and body to do as you please, thus the FALSE PROCLAMATION that we are all free. Yet When cattle do not obey and move as owner intends, owner prods with cattle prod. Are we nothing but cattle? I guess that is the question. And if so, who exactly do we belong to? something else entirely? Makes you wonder. And makes you wonder why we stand for this. I am not a computer. I will not be programmed. Get it fuckoids!?
June 5th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
JUST THE OTHER DAY
I SAW A STUDENT NOT PUT DOWN IN A HIS PENCIL IN A TIMELY MANNER
WHEN TOLD TO DO SO
I WAS THINKING MAYBE 1 YRS. SUSPENSION AND 6 MONTHS IN AN ADULT CORRECTIONAL FACILITY
THESE KIDS ARE OUT OF CONTROL !!!!
June 6th, 2009 at 2:00 am
I don’t have a problem with the police but I do have a problem when an officer abuses his or her authority.
This cop was obviously a complete pussy and if a teenager can’t simply turn a phone off then fair enough, some sort of detention after school if he is being an ass about it but to Taser him for a push is a sure sign of complete weakness and a massive power trip from some fag who needed this power.
If you join to police you join to serve and protect not torture and control.
The NYPD during the 70’s and 80’s were not even this bad when compared to the modern pussy fag cops who can’t deal with confrontation. If you don’t like the thought of getting some violence offered to you then don’t join the police. A real officer would have simply grabbed the arm of the teenager and said “get out of here or you’ll get a kick up the ass”. Taser is for pussy cops who were most likely bullied at school.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:46 am
The fact should be that if the kid doesn’t want to go to school, or wants to take drugs, or doesn’t want to take chemotherapy poisoning, or doesn’t want to be lithe the “others” or doesn’t want to believe 9/11 was done without explosives or without inside intelligence, or wants to believe the Illuminati control everything in this God forsaken world we call earth to one day have total rule over earth and its people by our own free will, through THEIR manipulation to claim his kingdom on earth….Lucifers kingdom. It is my choice, and as long as it does not harm anyone else, we should be free to do WHATEVER we want with our bodies for it is OUR property and not the corporate whores….Even suicide is a felony….I won’t allow any more oppression for it was our fathers choice to give all his sons free choice/will so its up to us to lead and set the moral thinking straight….
If the boy doesn’t want to learn, then give him two choices….A) learn the false indoctrination in school, or B) Leave upon your own will affecting nobody else but himself, in researching the true valuable knowledge that is out there….School taught me nothing useful, perhaps got me involved in literacy, math, and mostly history, but I know now the true history, and the depth of this corruption…Its been planned for thousands of years, and most recently being fulfilled the past few centuries. We are upon their “golden” age, their New Age….Our New World Order imprisonment. If you thought todays world is bad wait until their government is set up for total control, and total slavery…..
I’m not afraid to die, not if this world is coming to what it is, I live for life, and I’ll accept death face to face.
I’m sick of oppression mine, and especially everyone who suffer more than us N.A like from the wars between Israel and Palestinians , war is sick.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:55 am
I think the main thing we need to take from this is the fact that the police are trained to use the taser in self defence, and in most cases even a batton would have sufficed. The taser kills many people on accident, and while bratty teenagers do need discipline (and perhaps be violently restricted) they do not deserve to die period. Tasers do not have a good track record and should absolutely not be the police’s first choice of self defence IN A SCHOOL! Especially given the fact that if you are resisting arrest you are probably on drugs of some sort, which makes it more likely that you will have heart complications when tasered.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Isn’t it strange that for over 5000 years of recorded history, parents understood the importance of controlled pain (punishment to some, discipline to others) in the education of children. In less than 50 years, we the people have been buying the crap the elitist scum have been feeding us.
And now, we are so lost that we accept that spanking is cruel, but torture with electrodes is cool. We accept that children with energy to burn are abnormal and should be drugged. We accept that children with imagination(rare indeed these days), who run around with make-believe friends or wear capes pretending to be a superhero are in need of psychotropic drugs and are suffering from an adult on-set disease.
Wake up people! Don’t let “them” teach your children to turn you in! Stay home, teach your own children!
June 6th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Police Officers are trained to use appropriate force. The first tactic is to put the attacker on the ground and handcuff the person without using any weapons at all. The next option is to use a baton if the attacker poses a threat (because they are bigger than the officer or appear to be intoxicated/on drugs). The third option is to use tear gas/pepper spray (which has short lasting effect). The fourth option would be a taser stun to immobilize the attacker (because the attacker might be trying to get hold of the officers gun). The final option is to draw a gun and shoot. Draw and shoot is only allowed when the attacker has a deadly weapon. A cop can not even draw and shoot someone who is in the commission of a felony unless the public is in immediate danger.
I think this kid has a good chance at winning a law suit against the school and the officer involved.
A_Proud_Parent Reply:
June 6th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
That was the this is now. Today the government including cops do exactly what they please. Get used to it!
Adam_infowarrior Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I hope your right. This kid should definately look into legal recourse. Maybe then the next time this happens the officer will show more restraint. Or perhaps he’ll lose his position as school (bully) cop.
Also, about the hierarchy of force you described that sounds very logical to me. Unfortunately where I live the cops have a policy of shooting first and claiming they feared for their lives after! It doesn’t even matter if the suspect is armed they shoot to kill. Afterwards they are given a couple of days before they have to file the police report and they are even allowed to meet privately with other officers involved as well as (I believe) staff seargents eta al. Then the worst they ever get for the cold blooded killings is a slap on the wrist, two weeks of administrative leave. If the public is really enraged then they will have some sort of grand jury or inquest hearing which are nothing more than show trials. The cops are never as much as fired, they are found not guilty in kangaroo court and resume their post on the force.
It’s sickening!
June 6th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
If it were my kid that cop would be taking me to jail after I spent a couple hours tasering the living day lights out him.
June 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I agree with disciplining today’s kids. It is time they listen and obey the rules. I see so many careless kids that are lost in the wilderness, and someone should bring them to reality.
falafeloctopus Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Please don’t ever reproduce.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
“Halt there you! let me see your papers”
(kid ignores the demon)
“How Dare you!”
(grabs kid)
“You go to the homeland security office now!”
(kid pushes the demon)
“THATS IT! NOW YOU YOULL GET IT BOY!”
(officer tases him with a cattle prod like a good sheep)
“YOU OBEY NOW MUAHAHAHHAHAH SLAVE!!!!!”
Truth Reply:
June 7th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Exactly….Cattle is all we are, but I will not be treated like a herd, I speak loudly, and I speak on my behalf, and rules, and laws are BS, the ONLY law is the constitution and the law that God had given all of us….Free choice. Something we are not able to do, because of authority….SO ask yourself is it your fault or societies fault, because they govern, and dictate us around, so whatever corruption is upon us is through their deliberate indoctrination to bring out total human slavery….Then you have people saying that discipline is ok, which it is to a degree, but your kids will listen and respect you much better if treated like a human and not a “kid”….. A lot of the youth are lost,and have nobody to turn to, and nobody to just talk to, even parents just want to go home drink beer, and watch sports….This society is falling apart, and we are slowly ALLOWING our rights/freedoms, to be taken away….Its up to us to change the ethical thinking in our system…War is wrong. Don’t fight for peace with war, simply reason and make peace. I don’t see how ANYONE could not see the corruption in every establishment, and in every corner of the planet. This is our land, its time we take it back.
June 7th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
the cop said “can you hear me now?”
June 7th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
we need police cops. Police policing police.