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History Channel Caught In Another 9/11 Lie
Life After People documentary admits steel structured buildings can withstand temperatures of over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit without being compromised
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
The History Channel’s new documentary Life After People completely contradicts its 9/11 debunking show by pointing out that steel structure buildings can withstand temperatures of well over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit without being compromised, proving that burning jet fuel temperatures of no more than 1100 degrees Fahrenheit could not have weakened the steel in the twin towers, never mind melted it.
In August 2007, the History Channel aired a documentary called 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction, which at the time we labeled the worst 9/11 hit piece to date, “A completely savage, dishonest and deceptive abomination, replete with dirty tricks, malicious lies and a level of journalistic fraud that goes way beyond simple bias.”
The debunkers featured on the show, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description.
One such “expert” was structural engineer Matthys Levy, whose opinion can hardly be viewed as balanced in light of the fact that he was one of the chief engineers for a study commissioned by WTC leaseholder Silverstein Properties Inc. to support a $7 billion insurance claim for the destruction of the World Trade Center complex.
During the show, Levy bizarrely claimed that the fires in WTC Building 7 started before the collapse of either twin tower, in complete contradiction to the FEMA report and an impossibility considering WTC 7 was not hit by a plane.
Levy also attempted to debunk questions surrounding the collapse of the twin towers by claiming, “The fires burned at a temperature of about 1100 degrees in some cases, that’s sufficient to cause the steel to lose half its strength, now if it only has half its strength left it doesn’t have the ability to support the floors above it anymore.”
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However, another History Channel documentary completely contradicted this hypothesis by admitting that steel buildings are not compromised in any way until temperatures reach well over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.
During the more recent Life After People program, a segment about what would happen to the famous steel-structured U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles, a building similar in size to the twin towers, if it became a raging inferno (something that the twin towers were not), the narrator states, “The U.S. Bank Tower burns from the inside out. The structural steel frame withstands the searing heat – it can endure temperatures of over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit without degradation.”
The fires would turn the tower into a “charred skeleton,” but would not result in its collapse, which is exactly what should have happened to the twin towers and Building 7, which in comparison all suffered relatively limited fires which were extinguished quickly.
Apparently, the ability of structural steel to withstand temperatures over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit without degradation is a scientific principle that wasn’t applicable for one day in history according to the History Channel and Matthys Levy.
Of course this is not to mention the pools of molten steel that were found after the collapse of the twin towers. Even debunkers admit that jet fuel temperatures cannot melt steel, which leaves the presence of molten metal one of the thousands of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11.
Watch the two clips below. The first example from the 9/11 debunking program is 6 minutes into the clip, the second example from Life After People is 1 minute and 15 seconds into the clip.
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September 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
When someone lies all the time, its difficult to keep the lies straight. The lie is a trap the liar sets for themselves. It never fails to snare its owner.
Matt Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Well put.
Mike Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Too much evidence disproving what the commission says… and of course the media is involved.
http://www.collective-evolutio.....ng-is-o-k/
rudibr Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
What is left to say after the comission members themselves dismissed the report as fraudulent?
QUANTUMMONKEYBUTT Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
‘911′ Was An Inside Job, By The Well Connected…
Personally, I’d Like To See Them All Connected To A ROPE BY THEIR FU&%ING TRAITOR NECKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar.....idejob.htm
(‘911’ AN INSIDE JOB)
QMB
uhummm…
Aidan Monaghan Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Life After People?
Seems like the brainchild of Henry Kissinger and Co..
A Patriot Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Agreed!
chris killz blog Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
History channel is going down. Soon, everyone will see how totally fake they are.
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watchman Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
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reconmarine Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
fucktards.
The buildings in the make believe world disaster wouldnt have massive structural damage…
When you douche nozzles ignore the damage, it say all anyone needs to know about your bullshit 9/11 truth movement…
Horus Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Yet another plea from Bishop reconmarine for all of the truth movement heretics to come back to the holy mother church. Why does he come, always come, with his dogma that the heretics reject? It can only be to steal some sheep back to his papist governmental flock, or that he, the Bishop of governmental doctrine, may in fact have some doubts about his church’s teaching himself. I believe that he latter is the case, so let him come, listen, question, and learn.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
You waste our time, recunt. Go kill an innocent child. I am sure that is on your sordid reume you filthy piece of traitorous shit.
O'Guillory Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Reckon-you’d-like-to-be-a-marine:
Do you get paid to sit on this site and call people names, or is your life so empty, and your life experiences so limited as to allow you the opportunity to make an ass of yourself regularly? The sad part about shills,..or idiots like you….is that no matter how much obvious information and fact that is put forth, you will still contend that the earth is flat…..btw….do your parents, or anyone else in your family claim you?
Regards,
O’Guillory
Reconmarine Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:12 am
You failed, just like your peers, to address the SUBJECT.
You can call me names and say what you will about me, but I notice you are afraid to talk about the subject…
Line in the sand Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Mr.CON
EVERY ONE can see you for what you are(A PAID TRAITOR)
YOU SIR WILL NOT REPLY TO REPEATABLE FORENSIC EVIDENCE–>
http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
BUSTED/YOU FAIL
Doug Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 1:27 am
“fucktards.
The buildings in the make believe world disaster wouldnt have massive structural damage…
When you douche nozzles ignore the damage, it say all anyone needs to know about your bullshit 9/11 truth movement…”
Neither did WTC7, yet it collapsed into it’s own footprint… Explain that, fucktard.
Reconmarine Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Actually, WTC7 DID have massive structural damage. Thats whey they created a COLLAPSE ZONE hours before ti came down. It was known on the ground that it was coming down.
Are you saying the NYFD was in on 9/11?
Nquisitor Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Ill come debate with you traitors.
Yep, I agree fully with both of you, there was indeed damage to WTC7, at least from what I remember seeing anyway.
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but that damage was on the back-right side of the building (from the angle of most videos).
So we have a vertical high rectangle cube with it’s back-right side demolished, so why did the building fall all all four corners simultaneously and collapse at the same time?
I know why, because obviously something destroyed them at the same time.
Had the building collapsed to the back-right only, then your silly theory about the damage causing the building to come down would hold some merit.
This should have been learned around the age of 2 when you was playing with your building blocks.
You two are traitors recon and doug, and soon the day will come when the peace movement will die by the hands of the true patriots.
The worthless keyboard and megaphone will be replaced by the mighty touch and rope kids.
“As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also”. Thomas Jefferson.
Nquisitor Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 3:18 am
DOUG…my greatest apology to you man….I see now you was quoting this traitor recon…
“As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also”. Thomas Jefferson.
rudibr Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:43 am
Doug, dont waste your breath, recon is hopeless, he have all kind of insane explanations for 9-11 and especially tower 7 and he firmly believes them all.
rudibr Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:49 am
recon, address the subject that the majority of the comission labeled the report as untruthfull and fraudulent.
We dont even need to get into science stuff. Why on earth would you go believing in a report when the makers of the report themselves dismiss it? It shows an extraordinary level of ignorance. Its borderline worship of the MSM.
Are the members of the 911 comission who dismissed the report crazy wacko truthers as well?
candleinthecave Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Planes are mostly made of aluminium which is much weaker than steel. They are big but have to be super light and have very little strength on impact. Buildings on the other have to be very strong to stop them falling down. Think about only this, If aviation fuel could melt all the steel in a building ( even the steel far away) in just over an hour how is it that it burns at full temperature in the jet casing for years and years without melting anything? Doesn’t that strike you as at least a bit strange?
BLACK BETTY Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:14 am
HEY RECONTARD,YOU MAKE NO SENSE,AS USUAL A DOUCHE BAG POSER.
mini me Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
yep
mini me Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
my reply ended up in wrong place
mini me Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
????????
chrisfell Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I saw this & was shocked as well. Happy this was article was written. Another show was on last week. Someone should really check this out. It was a demolition show on History or Discovery. It was a show about building demolitions profiling CDI. (the demo company tied to the 911 bombings). One of the senior engineers/owners was talking about a HUGE I-beam in one of the buildings they were trying to demo and he said had only since seen one that large before…in the WTC. 1) why did he see it,(maybe during clean up. 2)His remark was about how huge the I-beams were in the building,
ussa Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 7:17 am
the truth never changes.
Dig deeper Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
How completely strange that PP should do a story on Life After People.
I watched the episode and was far more interested in what seemed like at least 4 separate clips of old sky scrapers collapsing in the future…………..and guess what?
They all fell down in on themselves, like the twin towers. There was no toppling over, no reality. They imploded in perfect synchronous fashion just like the inside job 911 crimes.
This was the purpose of that sneaky Discovery Channel show, IMO.
So if I picked that up, why the hell hasn’t PP mentioned it?
We are the ones who are awake on 911 truth so the 2000 degree item means something to us. Discovery Channel does not give a flying f**k about what we think, but they are very very interested in keeping the sheep in line. This subtle reinforcement on how buildings fall down was super slick propaganda by DC. So I guess it follows that disinfo merchants here would ignore that and focus on the 2000 degrees.
stop digging here Reply:
October 1st, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I guess the average visitor here is too dumb to notice such things.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
At least 90% of the steel in the WTC1&2 were intact and cold, that proportion must be around 98% for WTC7, yet the whole buildings collapsed as if it was made of mayonnaise.
The Truth Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
What should I do for my highschool that will educate people?? Any ideas?
Orion Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Discreetly hand out enlightening, thought provoking films like Zeitgeist, by Peter Joseph, The Blueprint, by Richard Gage founder of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, The Obama Deception, End Game, 911 Truth Rising, by Alex Jones, Loose Change, by Jason Bermas, America Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo and others like Money as debt, the money masters, the 11th hour produced by Leonardo Decaprio, ect ect.. of course you also want to discuss these things with your class mates. Of course your teachers will be restricted from discussing most of the topics raised in the films.
NEBULA Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
You are delusional at Best!, zeitgeist is a work of SHIT, stop being a TOOL!
F the gov Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I agree, Zeitgeist is total JUNK
try this one:
“Ring of Power: Empire of the city” on youtube or anywhere
F the gov Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
oh also , ignore the religion babbling in both, especially Zeitgeist, they don’t know a thing about the subject.
. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
You jackasses are only mad at Zeitgeist because it attacks religion as the tool of control that it is.
rudibr Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:45 am
F the gov, thanks for the “Ring of Power: Empire of the city” tip, Ive just watched part I and its really good stuff.
1mash Reply:
October 1st, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Why is Zeitgeist “total junk”. It seems the adaptation of “Sun” worship to “Son” worship is accurate. Can anyone please wright a intellectual argument refuting the points made in Zeitgeist. Make it nice and long and provide links if you like. Personal attacks get us nowhere. I have an open mind and respect any argument that is well thought out and explained. I’m Agnostic on these matters and appreciate a stimulating argument. Thanks to anyone who takes the challenge.
mash Reply:
October 1st, 2009 at 10:18 pm
F the gov,
OK, I watched the 5+ hour/29 part documentary on youtube called “Ring Of Power:Empire Of The City” and it was very informative and I thank you for turning us on to it but It doesn’t cover any of the theories put forth in Zeitgeist namely “Sun” adapted to “Son” worship which is an excellent argument. I see a lot of websites that are “Zeitgeist Debunked” in nature but haven’t found one that goes into anything more elaborate than making general statements about the movie being full of errors and getting all the son of gods mentioned wrong without going into it. Instead of making intellectual arguments, the sites I visited make caddy and dismissive remarks about the film without an elaborate argument. Please recommend a site or write a reply so that we may understand your point of view better, Thanks again for trying to help us understand your point of view.
Line in the sand Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Ask your friends and teachers to read this Peer Review and then ask them WHY the N.I.S.T investigation & this Gov WILL NOT EVEN provide a OPEN TEST of there own on the dust from the towers with all partys involved.
Tell your teachers if the N.I.S.T report is based on real science & math then what’s to hide from
Use this report(AFTER YOU HAVE READ IT SO YOU CAN INJECT FACTS) in a science ?
to your teachers based on the facts and tell them that science has no room for opinons.
Print out as many as you can and put then in binders so they won’t be as eazy to trash-.you can get nice one’s at the dollor store
(looks better when you invest a little time)
http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
Allso tell them that over 800 Engineers have investigated the towers and DEMAND the truth. Go to a&e911truth for more FACTS.
itssoobvious Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
The truth,
Supreme Court Case: Tinker v. Des Moines ruled that “armbands” are symbolic speech and constitute free speech, even in public schools. I would study this case and similar cases and work within this parameter. I would suggest instead of waving around big posters, get a black marker and make your sign on a white t-shirt, which should fall under the symbolic speech clause. If you have the rescources, go print up some shirts and give them to all of your friends.
This may not work, but do the research and cite specific Supreme Court cases and you should do fine.
Ian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Demolish it.
lightbeamer Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
things you can do is for example, for english compositions, you can make the Consoiracy Theories, or so they call them, of what Those Elites are trying to manipulate people to believe. Argue the facts in your Compositions, to maybe wake 2-3 more up to “Wonder” if there really something there to make them be suspicious. It would at the same time educate yourself more on topics of Theories what happened that day. Most english compositions MUST allow your thoughts, backed with Facts, and also, the questions surrounding the subject. You might educate more people than you really think you are!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
“WakeUp” http://www.archive.org/details/WakeUp_542
September 29th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
It is Obama himself who is on the hitlist.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
A good place to repeat an earlier question.
What protocol does the Pentagon employ after a president is assassinated to protect nuclear launch codes from the evil ones?
Jayro Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Thats easy to answer… “Dead men tell no tales.”
Dead people don’t give out luanch codes…
kfender16 Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
OMERTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Go ahead and make the syntax remark, DUMBASS!!!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
If I look at an orange long enough and all the while call it an apple it becomes an apple. LOGIC PEOPLE….
The explosives in the buildings and missile at the Pentagon crap simply is illogical. There is nothing in the events of 9/11 that defied basic physics. The steel was fireproofed, why would it have been fireproofed in the first place if according to your theory fire could not harm it? When the planes crashed the explosion and impact knocked off a great deal of the fireproofing. The steel supports were stressed already because of the structural damage, with the unexpected fires the structural supports gave way and the floors fell. “There were fires located on 15 to 20 different floors. So there was never enough water to arrest the fire to prevent structural instability.” “When the plane impacted the building, it severely damaged those exterior columns. The following fire further damaged the support columns. So it was a two step event; initial damage by plane and further damage or subsequent loss of structural stability that caused the building to fail.” When these floors fell onto the floor below them they exceeded what that floor could support so it collapsed along with what was on-top of it onto the floor below it. A cascade of floor failures repeated as the building collapsed top down not all floors at once which is how a controlled explosion happens.
deweycee Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
yeah but the asymetrical hole in the building would have caused the top part of the building to topple to the side (the path of least resistance) not straight down through 80+ floors at free fall speed. plus you can look at the high rise in China that burned for DAYS and still stood (albiet only a skeleton, but it proves structural steel won’t melt in a towering inferno scenario) please don’t regurgitate 9/11 commission lies. even the people who were on that commission admit it was a sham.
Patriotgal Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
deweycee,
I’ve got to admit, your logic is sound. Of course, I may be prejudiced- that is the way I figured it! The Murrow Building- I still don’t believe that an ANFO bomb did that, from the street. Right after the streets cleared, some General w/a background in combat engineering, did a video presentation showing LARGE, re-inforced concrete beams, pointing to where the H.E. and DetCord was placed. I saw it once, never again. Kind of reminds me of a mention on FAUX news, ONE TIME, about a month after 9/11. Seems that almost all of the people having Kidney Dialysis in Afghanistan and Pakistan died, almost at once, because a “contaminant” somehow got into the shipment of dialysis fluid. Just a coincidence that OBL was on dialysis? I don’t believe in coincidinces. BTW- never saw that report again, either. Anyone else remember it?
garrett Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
If you do some more research you will learn that the buildings fell at free fall speed. This could not have happened if the floors were collapsing on each other. Each floor would have met more and more resistance on the way down causing the collapse time to be much longer. Hope you can find the LOGIC to understand that 9/11 was absolutely an inside job. Peace
Ian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
No, each floor would have experienced greater and greater weight on it as the mass above accumulated on the way down.
Sheesh!
Sparky Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Sorry, but increased weight does not increase the speed of gravity. Sheesh, this is elementary physics buddy.
president christian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Yes if the law of physics are such that a object in motion will create more energy just from the mass falling at least 12 ft. I beleive it is called Kinetic energy? Then it builds and builds energy then the temples come down.
Tim S. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Yes, and I shot a flaming arrow into the trunk of a tree yesterday. Sure enough, the tree collapsed straight down into itself at freefall speed and turned into massive amounts of sawdust.
Steel is fireproofed because of government regulations, not because it is absolutely necessary for safety in all cases. In the case of the towers, the heat should have transferred to parts of the building with colder steel, so the fireproofing was irrelevant.
But hey, what about those pesky cores in both towers? If the floors “pancaked” why were the 47 interconnected core columns running up the center of each tower not left standing?
president christian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I shot an arrow. Only mine hit my Deer. Meat on the table ready for a long winter of trying to understand people like you.
Oh by the way the fire proofing was not irrelevant. When there is a fire in a structure, you want as much insulation on those beams to insulate from heat. Which will warp and deterioate a structure. Logically looking at the building and the flooors above and all combined load on that steel. Fuck that, if you beleive the goverment plotted it. They have done and are doing alot of bullshit but if people keep dwelling on 9/11 the word of the antichrist in office will not reach the sheeple.
J Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
“They have done and are doing alot of bullshit but if people keep dwelling on 9/11 the word of the antichrist in office will not reach the sheeple.”
ha ha – more Obama is the anti-christ crap is it?
jimmyjames Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
You have got to be completely brainwashed and have blinders on to actually believe the lies about the towers! why are you on this site anyway, to act as a disinfo agent so your sheep hide will be spared when it comes time to exterminate the masses? Wake up president chrisitan, when the time comes you will be given the poison “vaccines” as well and killed off like the rest of the masses. Dont spew out your filthy, regurgitated lies here. We the People have woken up, are rising up, and will prevail!
Line in the sand Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Good pay and children to play with would be my gess(seems the M/O for Traitors like Mr.chri)
May God have merci on your soul for the CITIZENS WON’T for Trolls like him!
Ian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Oh the drama!
Line in the sand Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Wellcome BACK Mr.Chri
Please respond with a OPEN forensic report of your own for you to even enter this debate -> http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
You see folk’s this guy NEVER can respond(JUST LIKE THIS GOV) becase he CAN’T!
Even the N.I.S.T teem will not respond to this REPEATABLE EVIDENCE.
(WHY)
Well in a criminal investigation this would be what you would exspect from the quilty!
I hope you enjoy the pay from your TREASON Mr. Chri
Line in the sand Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
If you want to win in ANY 911 debate,do it with REPEATABLE EVIDENCE.
All you will hear back from the trolls & missinformed will be your own heart beat.
Not one troll EVER can reply to this peer review becase with out this Gov responding to this FORENSIC EVIDENCE IS A ADMISSION OF GUILT
president christian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Y2K!!!! Arghhhhh!!!!!!
president christian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
tye dyed freaks! I love the mainstream media(Fox)!!!!!!!!!
president christian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
You little fuckers love me enough to MOCK ME…. actually I would have said…. You little fucking douce bags, you sit there and worry about some fucking bullshit 9/11 story and all this fear mongering bullshit on here. Look at the real picture not fantasy goverment conspiracy theories. That is distracting the whole sheeple into bullshit when the real picture is, we are losing america and our way of living. Yes I have seen all the stories on the check points and so on. No one is doing anything but fucking typing. I am ready and have been getting ready for a total assault on America. It will come from Islam. When it does we all will turn into brothers of the revolution against oppression>>!! Save America..
Captain Obvious Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:59 am
christian, you pussy, you live your life in gullible fear of ‘Islam” like a good little tool for the elites. Please jump in traffic.
Wake up call Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
I am sorry but you are completely brainwashed pal. Wake up and get educated.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Thank you recunt, posing as President Christian. Same IP address, you fucking NSA shill.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
We can thank them for exposing themselves as accessories to the crime. Put them on the list to be exiled and stripped of citizenship for their treason.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Exile the bodies after we strip their heads from them. All debate stops when a truther mentions building 7; it is like a cross stuck in the face of a Vampire. With soooooooo many obvious mistakes, flaws and laws of Physics violations, one can truthfully say with correctness; “911 was a BAD job”!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
It’s been so many years and so many lies have been shown, I think if there are so many lies the US government might have made it to be as people can see these lies. This way it would have taken us a couple of years with no real proof it was or wasn’t them and by then US government think it would have blown over. Also the ignorant people to need to really open there eyes and see what’s going on around them!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I know what collapsed those buildings: confusion. Confusion is mentioned time and time again, “…the confusion of the day…”, “… in all the confusion …”, ” … because of the confusion people thought they heard and saw explosions …”.
It’s more than obvious that the steel itself got confused forgot what temperature it was supposed to melt at and collapsed.
And that’s my “expert” opinion.
Big Sully Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Don’t forget-
Building #7
It was shocked to see the towers fall, and just fainted-
Wouldn’t YOU faint in all that confusion?
the Leak Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 6:28 am
No, no, no, WTC7 fell because when the people in it were told to evacuate and they left so fast that it sucked out all the air and created a void, hence it collapsed in such a perfect center driven collapse. Add the fact that at that time WTC7 was in a perfect vector of magnetic polarization coupled with a vortex of aligned planetary configurations.
Please get your facts straight. If you keep coming up with these crazy theories you’ll discredit the MSM.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I like the analogy, Mr. Leak. One would think that with the NWO’s deep pockets (they have all our money they stole), they could hire some expert liars. It is obvious the NWO does not attract talent, and cannot even buy it.
the Leak Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Money? You mean I could be getting paid for coming up with explanations like this!?
But would it be worth it being in the same class as neoconmarine?
September 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
the main stream media work for rich greedy lazy lying useless arrogant pig bastards all of them
September 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
This should not be a surprise to anyone that they would say one thing on one program like the one on 9/11 and then say something else totally different on another like on the other program. However, I will ask this, if someone continues to lie to you over and again and never say they are sorry and stop with their lies. At what point will you stop believing them?
September 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I watched that History Channel Propaganda Piece but, no one should be surprised as we are all being told what to think and believe from every direction. Dare I mention the number of “Minority Programs” ..Black Divas..Blacks with White Women…Sodomites in our faces on every channel. Sports appear to be a major source of brainwashing us into armchair quarterbacks while Jenny Craig commercials bomb us from the left.
Frankly, when I look around, I am reminded of the term “Ugly American” and can’t wait to get the hell out of here.
And as for Austin, I was born here..my family goes back to before and through the stand at the Alamo..I am a Texan and not proud of it. It really sucks here.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Major, come to Ft. Worth. We are a bunch of smart, good-look’n people do’n the “right thing”. I really mean that. The problem with Austin is obvious: it is full of slimy politicians. I don’t know how Alex stands it. In Ft. Worth, if you are caught BS’n, you have to leave. They usually go to Dallas. Dallas does have something Ft. Worth never will have: a nice city next door.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
i have cut every kind of metal, doing demolition of the steel mills , the heat did not cause it the bastards that rigged number seven caused it one day they will pay
September 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
“Now…when a lighting strike sets off a fire in the hills, there won’t be any fire-fighters riding to the rescue”
LMFAO.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
After Loose Change, the most diabolical thought is: what did they do with all the men, women, and children on the airplanes if they weren’t the airplanes that crashed in the WTC?
Tim S. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Think mass executions.
F the gov Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Or that the flights never existed in the fist place, which there is plenty of evidence of, which would mean the people were fakes or those who died or disappeared in other fashion.
At one time, every serial number of the alleged planes has been called into question. Similarly anomalies abounded about these flight numbers and departure gates NOT HAVING OCCURED or nobody boarding a plane that wasn’t there.
Much of the information from the airlines has been amended but surely there is still a record of these airlines themselves doubting thse flights happened.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
We need to focus more on the Pentagon and Shanksville, especially Shanksville. Both places have more holes than NYC (besides WTC 7).
. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
A better question is, how many of the victims(victims from the planes) family members have you seen in the media? I can think of only 2 off hand.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
will, I doubt if there were any people in the supposed planes. Did you see videos of any of those flights filling up? Everybody knows a plane did not hit the Pentagon, and there was no wreckage at Shanksville. I also doubt that if planes hit the towers (there were no photos of plane parts in the debris pile I have seen) they were not airliners. The “hijackers” have been found alive as you, a student of 911, know. If someone has photos of plane parts found in the tower debis pile, please tell me where I can view them. I have seen the one piece of landing gear found 2 blocks away.
mash Reply:
October 1st, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Jim,
Have you seen this video about how the Black-Op went down at The Pentagon on 9/11? It is a MUST SEE for ALL Infowarriors! PLEASE WATCH THIS INCREDIBLE EYE-OPENING DOCUMENTARY!!!
National Security Alert: Sensitive Information
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o
mash Reply:
October 1st, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Jim,
I forgot to mention that NOT believing that planes hit WTC 1 & 2 is crazy! Of course planes hit those towers as there is tons of footage dozens of different sources! Only Dis-Info Agents say no planes hit the WTC 1 & 2 Jim. Are you serious??
September 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Why do all of you mental midgets find it so hard to believe that muslim terrorists hijacked and crashed the planes into the buildings? Other than it being 100% fact that they did it, as well as the fact that they have an entire history of being nothing but terrorists, wanting to bring down the USA and the American people…….. What could possibly make you think for even a second that is it an inside job and not the musslims???
Tim S. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
No U.S. Air Force present during the 45 – 90 minutes the “hijacked” planes were flying around.
Would you like 100+ more reasons to suspect an inside job, or is that one enough?
God Bless the USA Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
So are you saying you wanted a US Air Force jet to come and shoot the hijacked plane out of the sky? What the hell would a US Air Force jet have been able to do? There were US citizens on that plane, there is no way you shoot it down you mental midget!!!!!
BigDude Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
What Tim S. is saying is choosing the lesser of all evils. Forfeiting a few hundred versus a few thousand makes sense does it not? That is if you believe they were commercial airliners to begin with… the evidence points toward military versions with the pod attached to the bottom anyway.
Tim S. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Of course the planes would have been shot down. Two hundred lives on the planes versus 3,000 in the towers and scores of other lives at the other targets?
But it doesn’t matter, anyway. There were no hijackers and no passengers in the planes. The planes were remote-controlled substitutions and the passengers were disposed of on the ground. Nothing could be left to chance for this inside job. The stakes were too high.
God Bless the USA Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
BigDude are u serious?? So now, going forward, any hijacked plane should just get shot out of the sky becasue it may hit a building and kill more than the number of civilians on board?……. and I’m not even going to respond the the notion that it was a military plane…. You are truly a sick F%&K!!!……… I hope that you have the balls to leave the greatest country on earth and move to a muslim ruled society such as syria, saudi arabia, irag or iran and find the error of your FU*&ED up thought process……. You seriously all need help!!! May God help all of you in some small way……. God Bless the USA and God Bless ISRAEL!!!!
Ian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
As you know, there were supposedly multiple war games going on that day, and all resources were subsequently unavailable. Not hard to understand.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I like your reason, Tim. The Cheney order is the key to this.
Ex Military Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
What if it was an inside job working WITH the ‘muslims’?
I was a member of the 33rd Combat Communication Squadron under Air Combat Command at Tinker AFB in OK (yes, I lived in OKC when the Murrah building was bombed) and I remember being in a military briefing the first time I was deployed to Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War for operation Southern Watch out of Riyadh. I was told we were there to enforce UN resolutions… yadda yadda yadda, but (in this formal briefing) the person giving the briefing said, “but everyone knows why we are really here… the oil”… AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS SINCE THE FIRST GULF WAR/CONFLICT, WE ARE STILL THERE!!!!
Tell me, do you believe everything told you by the media about Iran and their Palestinian support? Personally, I am a Zionist and hope the Jewish people take possession of the entirety of Jerusalem, but I am not naive enough to believe Iran came to power w/o the help of the US… check your history books. This is the problem with people… we always forget the past.
steve Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Muslims really? An entire history of terrorism, you mean terror we helped support back in the day right? If you want to stick with the main line story, you should at least apply your theory to 9/11 that it was caused because of blow back of people and groups that we supported back in the 60’s and 70’s. Whos history are you reading? have you ever read the education text books for Russian children? It is quite different and i would have probably never known were it not for a friends russian girl friend.
Also why is it so hard for you to believe that it wasnt as the official story has it. So the government has never lied about anything and never has done classified top secret programs before? Project SHAD, look it up. The government wouldnt be able to cover something like this up i bet is what you would say? So then i guess at this moment the american people know of every little thing that is being done right now, no top secret, classified stuff going on here because they would not be able to hide it.
I guess because 9/11 was so horrible we should just write a blank check to the USA and believe what ever the government says about it because its just to hard to believe that our government would harm innocent people, collateral damage, well i should say innocent american people.
God Bless the USA Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Steve……. you are a sick rat……… a fool…….. and an embarrasment to the human race……… May someone have mercy on your pathetic soul………
steve Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
You know also maybe you are truly an all inspiring good person, which i fell i am a good person, but maybe thats where you and me differ. Where for you it is beyond reasonable thought to even think that people/factions within our own government could be a part of 9/11, i do not lack this way of thinking. I can let my mind drift and contemplate certain aspects of life that some would consider as “evil” but what makes me different form those who carried out the attacks is, for me it is my imagination and well to be quite frank, i have absolutely no reason to ever go through with any of these “evil” things. But that doesn’t mean i cant understand why there are those that are out there that would do these things. if you cannont think this way then you will never be able to understand where at least myself, is coming from, and the people that actually carry these things out.
So yes, you are right, i do have a sick side to me, as do most people in power do.
Fred Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Steve is exactly right Mr God Bless the good ole USA. You think you can trust the government and the media with their track record. That’s seriously naive. I mean come on. Look I want what’s best for America too. That’s why I hate all those scum bags, Obama, Biden, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Cheney, Pelosi, Soros, Rockefeller, T Turner, L King, Gore, ect, ect, ect. I mean you gotta ask yourself why do we have to have such peices of shit for leaders. What’s so bless worthy about those assholes?
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
This asshole is just trying to get you daner up, or something more sinister. Psyop motherfuckers frewuwnt this site. Their tools or engagement (brain) lacks enough force to dissaude those who are adamant in their belief the goverment is not for the people.
Line in the sand Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
FORENSIC EVIDENCE IS WHAT’S ON THE PLATE AND THIS GOV(WILL NOT REPLY)
Go ahead and ask them to provide there forensic test on the dust from the towers!
http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
They will CALL YOU NAMES TO BUT AVOID THE EVIDENCE(THATS WHAT CRIMINALS DO)
Big Sully Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Those pesky Muslims-
They must have spent weeks wiring building 7 to collapse.
If it wasn’t wired with explosives it must have been made out of Renolds Wrap to fall like it did.
How else can you explain 47 stories in 10 seconds? There is no other way!!!
God Bless the USA Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
You are right. I can’t believe a building would collapse after being run into a by a full size jet airplane, going full speed….. almost 100% full of highly explosive, flammable jet fuel………. Do you people even listen to what you are saying??? It must be fun to go through life as naive as you all do…….. u truly all are wastes of space.
steve Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
You avoided any of my questions first off,
secondly 100% full of highly explosive jet fuel? do you even really know what your talking about? Even in NIST’s own reports, they admit that the majority of the jet fuel burned in the initial impacts/explosions, the HUGE fireballs we saw, secondly they say that any remaining fuel would have burned off within 10 minutes.
So i wait for you response that has nothing to do with what i just posted and from my original questions above. what tirade will you go off on now?
Naive, really, yeahhhh, shall we all sing our praises to our beloved government. ” All hail the USA, never does anything wrong and never would hurt innocent people, All Hail the USA, let me go off and die for my country to keep us free from the murderous iraqi people, because they were going to take my freedoms away, god bless the usa and the 1 million plus in iraqi “collateral damage” if only they were american they would understand, All hail the USA, we get our news from 3 main sources, all hail the USA were tv has become the educator of our people, lets go watch a science show and then go drink some beer”
Seriously not trying to be callous here but, 3000 Americans dead to 1 million plus Iraqis and Afghani’s dead really compares? Yeah if i was one of them and my family was killed by some rogue bomb, i’d be pretty pissed off.
allie cowell Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
The FBI felt that one certain muslim had nothing to do with the 911 attacks, bin laden is not wanted for 911, the FBI say they have not got enough evidence to link him to 911… I know its off subject but folks like God Bless the USA need to question other parts of the official story… anyone can go to fbi.gov and check for themselves with regards to bin laden, he is on the most wanted list
There is too many holes in the official story.
911 is a big subject and takes a while for anyone to get through it.
itssoobvious Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
God Bless and Prez Christian, why will you not answer these guy’s question? What is your assessment of this peer-reviewed journal paper?
The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, 2, 7-3:
http://www.bentham-open.org/pa.....7TOCPJ.SGM
Horus Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
God Bless the USA, could you please explain to me how tons of unburned paper was scattered all over the city from the “collapse” when the buildings were burning so intensely that steel would melt? What force could have blown all of this unburned paper, oh, and the unburned terrorist’s passport, and pulverized the concrete into dust? They pulled off the “Big Lie” on us, and due to some people’s intense mind control, they will never wrap their heads around another option, which just so happens to be the real truth.
J Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
“almost 100% full of highly explosive, flammable jet fuel………. Do you people even listen to what you are saying??? ”
Jet fuel is only a refined form of kerosene, which would be described as highly flammable. The term explosive applies to materials that produce high volumes of gas at very high velocity; this does not describe a jet fuel air fire. I have worked with JA-1 fuel many times, it is less hazardous than gasoline (in terms of open air volatility & flash cup ratings), so if you want to argue at least be semi-factual in your statements.
As a research chemist who spent many years in the petro-chemical industry, and also as a consultant to the chemical storage and transportation industry. I reckon I know and listen to what I am saying. I have also assisted the military in my country to conduct blasting operations for engineer training, and witness some of the largest conventional explosive test ever conducted here.
Now when I look at the events of 911, as much as I wanted to believe the official story, there is too much that doesn’t add up. Having seen smaller structures being explosively demolished first hand, there is many of the tell tale resemblances in the collapse of building 7. The twin towers to me appear to have been rigged to fall in a top to bottom manner, consistent with appearing to have fallen due to the plane impacts. Hollywood creates these kinds of effects daily to convince viewers a building has been destroyed by any number of means, from UFO’s to giant monsters etc. It is therefore not unreasonable to presume if there was an inside job, that the perpetrators rigged the demolition from the top down.
I do not for a second believe that jet fuel (pretty much all of which formed a fire ball directly out of the opposite side of the tower), had any influence on the structural integrity of the steel. An open air jet fuel / air fire would only be in the order of 600-700deg C, at which point structural steel still maintains around 90% of its tensile strength. Insulation or no insulation steel is an effective conductor of heat, and a massively joined steel frame would dissipate that heat input quickly. Seriously why do people such as you persist to ignore 100s of years of using steel for stoves, heaters, fuel burners and ovens. Are you suggesting that if I shot my stove with a tank round, and then turned it on it will collapse because it has lost some of its structural integrity?. The fact is the rest of the structure adapts to compensate because it has that level of “overhead” built into it. Really my friend if it was so simple to fell a building by letting off some jet fuel up near the top, why would we need highly paid explosive demolitions experts. There is an example of some of your “da stupid how obvious” logic back at you pal.
I really think its believers of the official story who refuse to analyse, ask questions or even apply common sense to the events of 911.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
He is talking about building seven you NSa moron, not the two towers, Can’t you CIA motherfuckers get it right?
Patriotgal Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Dear God Bless,
sorry, you have it wrong on several key points. Jet fuel is NOT explosive. It is basically highly filtered kerosene. If you drop a match in a pool of it, the match will go out. To get it to burn,(like gasoline), you have to either add a LOT of heat, or a LOT of pressure. Aircraft are built about as strong as beer cans. I am a pilot, I have built Aluminum airplanes (homebuilt, certified class), and the fuel would have burned-up in less than 10 minutes, at temperatures well below that which would significantly weaken steel. Sorry, I watched it on TV that morning, too. Something is real fishy, I suspected that from the start. (Pulverized concrete?) H.E., not jet fuel.
MsRevolver Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
hahahaha Big Sully that’s dead on accurate.
MsRevolver Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
It’s so sad that you haven’t done your homework on this subject. I WOULD believe that it was Al Queda except that we blamed it on Bin Laden (who magically got surgery not too long after without being caught) and he hasn’t been caught in all the years we’ve been “searching” for him… that says to me that they didn’t actually do it. Oh yeah and then there’s the evidence that a few of the “hijackers” attended flight school IN the U.S. and they weren’t the best at it or especially at landing… why? Because you don’t need to learn to land when they’re commissioned for such a job… but somehow, they were still paid for their duties. Now tell me, how the HELL do you get paid for something when you’re dead?
F the gov Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
100 % fact ? – now THAT is the funniest thing I’ve seen today. I know I have been totally convinced a bunch or MUSLIMS wired up the buildings, stood down Norad and the Pentagon, and blocked every attempt at investigation from the grave.
tYeah, OK, and WE are crazy? We are mental midgets?
Believing anything the mass media says is F-TARDED
. Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Your name says it all, you are blinded by phony “patriotism” and your brain is washed by the MSM. Join us real patriots, who are fighting for the truth and dont fear arabs blindly and fall for false flags when they are used as patsies. Some arabs DO hate us and want to kill us, but only because of our blind support of Israel, which kills constantly, and because WE invade their countries and occupy. American traitors and ISraelis were behind 9/11. Read this link, all of it:
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-.....icle_11424
PEAdvocate Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
So it was the Muslims? You racist MF (as most Zionists are). You all need to understand the PR effort that is happening on the internet to counteract any criticism of Israel. Look up “hasbara”, or read the article at http://www.counterpunch.org/cook07212009.html. Then, after each article that appears to support Israel, tag it with the comment “hasbara” to provide some transparency to this PR effort. “God Bless the USA” is obviously part of that PR campaign. My advice? Ignore the fool.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
God Bless the USA is either Recon or another shill at NSA. It is east to discern where the y post these weak arguments. Do you rhomework and find them!
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
God Bless, You have won the prize for the weakest shill posting ever to appear on this site.
Horus Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Shores, you really have a knack with words. I loved that cross/ vampire analogy about building 7. I’ve seen that look myself. Priceless.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Good link here. Refuse to kill and you will be locked up. US Soldier jailed for his refusal to kill for the Elites.
http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=58400
September 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
When you tell a lot of lies, you need a good memory. Obviously, The History Channel’s, controllers, have a bad memory. (or more likely, they are just another Corporate Whore, spewing forth the propaganda, of their Corporate Masters)
September 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
That reporter says the fire chief did NOT say the word bomb.
So what is an explosive device then?
September 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
This was one of the best laughs I had today! I guess they can’t keep their lies straight. Unfortunately, not that it would matter – contradictions like these escape the notice of most of the sheeple out there.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
9/11 was a Mossad false flag operation for Israel and zionism. The cover-up is maintained by a 96% jew owned media octopus. Once you understand these two things, everything else is crystal clear and easy to decipher.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
That 9/11 debunking show was a complete joke. They didn’t refute squat. Us ‘truthers’ only have to refer to the molten metal and free-fall collapses and absence of a plane at the Pentagon and so on. There are no explanations for these and a few hundred other things that work with the official story. And I for one am getting sick and tired of this not being addressed in a meaningful way in a public forum. I’m looking at you media… The truth is the truth – it doesn’t matter how bizarre or unpalatable it may seem.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
If you believe that open-air jet fuel brought down those buildings, your hockey helmet is strapped too tight.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
han, And they have it on backwards.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Engineer Levy should be stripped of his license. The single most telling feature of the WTC 7 building collapse was its symmetrical nature. Even if we take Levy’s argument at face value and assume that 1100 degree temperatures could result in a steel beam failure mode, how would that happen simultaneously throughout the entire building?
Levy’s argument is a fraud and a lie.
Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
Jim Shores Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Ken, EXACTLY! God is waiting for him with a baseball bat. Levy should be found and a band of truthers should hound him and pose questions and show photographic evidence to him until he dies. Does anybody know where he works or where he lives? Do not let him get away with his weak BS.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
The History Channel is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations. Lying is what they do best.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
“fires burned at a temperature of about 1100 degrees in some cases”
1100 degrees centigrade (aka Celsius) = 2012 degrees Fahrenheit
No contradiction, just another distraction courtesy of the faux-truth movement.
Blagnarok Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
LOL this is the first time I’ve seen the History channel show. It is pathetic. The demolitions expert’s explanation to the question regarding the free fall speed? “It’s just not how it happened, it’s not factual.”
Hmm…. that’s it buddy? Can’t an “expert” offer a little more than that? Well, I got news for you, it did fall at free fall speed. So it DID happen, it IS factual. LOL!
To me the “debunking” video from the History Channel is just more evidence that major media remains complacent in the murder of 3,000 people. Since when is it a bad idea to ask questions?? The history channel doesn’t call them questions though. They instantly become “conspiracy theories.”
Suck my balls, History Channel.
FFTDJ Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I’m substantially with you there, Blagnarok, the 9/11 coverup sucks on so many levels, but I’m not going to trust this Watson guy any further than I can verbally toss him. This site is amphibious 9/11 truth at best. That’s because the popular internet is an aquatic environment of sorts. So Watson is about as close to the truth as we can expect to get in a journo, and thus the Watson journo clown is perfectly fine with me, which to me is almost like saying jungle-rot is fun.
Mr. Green Genes Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
FFTDJ Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
“fires burned at a temperature of about 1100 degrees in some cases”
1100 degrees centigrade (aka Celsius) = 2012 degrees Fahrenheit
No contradiction, just another distraction courtesy of the faux-truth movement.
So kerosene burns at 2000C now? What do you imagine could have caused such temperatures of 2000C? Keep in mind that the surface of The Sun is about 5400-6000C
I think you are confused by C and F. The rest of the world is not.
FFTDJ Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
“So kerosene burns at 2000C now?”
I said “1100 degrees centigrade (aka Celsius) = 2012 degrees Fahrenheit”
I’ve also got two dollars that say you’re a typical zionist shitstain. Come and get them.
FFTDJ Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
“I think you are confused by C and F.”
I think you are confused by reading.
Nonetheless, if the plane had hit a fireworks warehouse instead, then maybe large 2000C spots within an hour would be a distinct possibility. I think I’ve seen something about a warehouse burning at 3000F, but that’s probably as relevant as the fireworks.
It’s pretty funny, first I mention the molten iron videotaped spilling out of WTC2, and then you suggest I’m saying the collapse was caused by jet fuel.
Those two dollars I mentioned see a stereotypical zionist approach.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
These stories are most likely planted by ADL-types whose favorite lame-ass bogus attack-card to play later would be the “anti-semite” card. In other words, the article is a zionist false-flag attack on some nitwit named Levy who probably pretends that the videotaped glowing WTC2 spills seen before WTC2 was obliterated are molten aluminum along with all the rest of the ADL-type clowns.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
And on the 15th anniversary of the September 11th attacks, when the traitors still maintain there innocents of 9/11, when they still continue to block the efforts of the weak peace movement of America and when the alternative means of a real revolution continues to fail the patriots, and believe me, it will continue to fail like it has for the past 8 years!
Then on the 16th anniversary, will you true patriots, the ones who hold courage in your heart over the fear of death, those who love their children more than themselves. Will you, the fearless and brave stand before the office of the elect, a torch in one hand and a rope in the other, declare without final warning, the end of the traitors reign?
“As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also”. Thomas Jefferson.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Watson plants the story for them, and then the ADL-types probably come in later and play the “anti-semite” card while everyone pretends the glowing spills widely videotaped cascading down the side of WTC tower 2 don’t have molten iron in them despite looking exactly and obviously like they have molten iron in them. In other words, this article is a false-flag attack by one group of zionist coverup clowns on another coverup clown named Levy.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
The days of armed revolution in the US, of revolution by violence, are over, technology ended that phase, those days are gone with the musket. These days what you still may have is the power of intellect and persuasion. Don’t waste it.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Revolutionize your life first. At least doing THAT is a realistic possibility. To do that you first must have a firm foundation, you must have sought-after skills. My experience is that you must be successful in life first, to be the most persuasive that you can be. Then, put forth your own ideas, and leave it to the experts you find believable to defend their own approaches.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
“Experts” are usually bought and paid for liars.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
September 29th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
http://911essentials.com says I guess the History Channel and all those who put their names on these documentaries could be considered accessories after the crime.
The crimes of high treason and high crimes against humanity. War criminals.
Let them lie themselves into a federal prison sporting a smart new orange jumpsuit.
We worship the quicksand they walk in …….
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
- Napoleon Bonaparte
September 29th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
For one thing, it’s a case of too much steel needing to be heated to too hot a temperature in too little time.
But, I digress.
Here’s someone who agrees with me about spills and blackbodies:
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007.....-than.html
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Yes, but the issue here is how THC contradicts its original debunking feature. This is not about Watson. See for yourself how THC inadevertantly proves 9-11 was an inside job.
FFTDJ Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
1100 degrees (C) is about 2000F, so there is vagueness but no contradiction.
Beyond that, the article is, predictably enough, idiotic confusion over vagueness about an irrelevant red herring.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
The best part is how they take the “conspiracy theorists” edited down arguments, and then counter them with “experts”. Last time I checked Steven Jones is a BYU Physics Professor. I guess that doesn’t qualify as an expert.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Even if steel were to melt at 800 degrees there was PLENTY of undamaged building left below where the planes hit that should not have disintegrated into powder. The buildings were stronger the lower you go since the lower portions had to hold up more of the building. What made that fail? There was effectively nothing pushing down on it as the building was disintegrating as it went — yet it KEPT GOING.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
While you were sleeping
They came and took it all away
The lanes and the meadows
The places where you used to play
It was an inside job
By the well-connected
Your little protest
Summarily rejected
It was an inside job
Like it always is
Chalk it up to business as usual
While we are dreaming
This little island disappears
While you are looking the other way
Theyll take your right to own your own ideas
And its an inside job
Favors collected
Your trusted servants
Have left you unprotected
It was an inside job
Like it always is
Just chalk it up
To business as usual
You think that youre so smart
But you dont have a fucking clue
What those men up in the towers
Are doing to me and you
And theyll keep doin it and doin it
And doin it and doin it
And doin it and doin it
And doin it and doin it
Until we all wake up
Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up
I know what Ive done wrong
I am acquainted with the night
I know how hard it is
To always walk out in the light
And its an inside job
To learn about forgiving
Its an inside job
To hang on to the joy of living
They know the road by which you came
They know your mothers maiden name
And what you had for breakfast
And what youve hidden in the mattress
Insect politics
Indifferent universe
Bang your head against the wall
But apathy is worse
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
Yeh, yeah
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
Its an inside job
president christian Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
You are exactly what I am talking about…. I heard the Grateful dead are Kansas TOTO…Dude you are distracting. Get out.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Jesus who?
Never heard of him.
He sounds like an inconsiderate prick, just like his followers.
Horus Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Sparky, He’s the guy that told us we should love our enemies, but we should kill his for him. Nice guy, hey?
“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”
BLACK BETTY Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:20 am
SPARKY ROCKS,JESUS AND SANTA HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
classic double-speak.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Controversial Filmmaker Michael Moore’s collapse attributed to post-surgical complications
By BETH FOUHY (AP)
http://wp.me/pChUJ-4E
Washington, DC — Just moments after delivering a fiery address to the government watchdog group Public Citizen, documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, director of three of the five highest-grossing documentaries of all time, clutched at his abdomen, groaned loudly, and steadied himself on a nearby railing.
What followed is still unclear, although witnesses say a pungent odor and an unmistakable sound told much of the tale.
Jan Pankston, spokesperson for Dog Eat Dog Films, Moore’s Flint, Michigan-based production company, later confirmed that the liberal firebrand had, in fact, defecated his trousers.
“Mr. Moore recently underwent bariatric surgery,” Pankston said, reading from a prepared statement. “The procedure, performed laproscopically, was a success. However, Michael’s surgeon warned that one possible post-operative complication was loss of bowel control. Clearly, in this case, it was more than a possibility.”
Last month, the director of “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit 9/11″, quietly underwent an intestinal bypass procedure at a Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit. Almost immediately following his discharge from the facility, Moore began promoting his newest documentary, “Capitalism: A Love Story” with a media and speaking blitz.
Pankston’s statement indicated that the brutal pace of his schedule aggravated his still-healing digestive system. She read, “Michael’s health is sound, and this unfortunate incident should in no way be interpreted as a sign that he is in a weakened condition. He thanks his fans for their thoughts and prayers, and encourages everyone to see “Capitalism: A Love Story,” now playing in theaters. He assures moviegoers that they too will be pooping their own drawers – with delight.”
Encopresis among filmmakers is not uncommon. Woody Allen, Academy Award-winning director of “Annie Hall,” suffered similar embarrassment – but on live television – while presenting a Golden Globe award with distinguished British Actress Dame Judy Dench. While reading the list of nominees for Best Supporting Actor, Dench was visibly startled by the abrupt roar of Allen’s flatulence. Allen slumped against the podium and as stage hands rushed to his aid, he announced, “I just turned my Fruit of the Looms into a fudge factory.”
Al Pacino, in his candid autobiography, revealed that the shooting of “The Godfather, Part II,” was marred by daily delays which he blamed on “[Director Francis Ford] Coppolla’s inexplicable habit of constantly crapping his khakis. It drove us nuts. The man’s a genius, but come on: Wear a diaper, or eat more cheese. Do something!”
Calls to Moore’s Traverse City, Michigan home were not immediately returned.
http://wp.me/pChUJ-4E
September 29th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
“During the show, Levy bizarrely claimed that the fires in WTC Building 7 started before the collapse of either twin tower, in complete contradiction to the FEMA report and an impossibility considering WTC 7 was not hit by a plane.”
LMAO…there is no way anyone can be that stupid…but I have been wrong before.
Oprah tongues my balls Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
You cite FEMA? LO fucking L!
FFTDJ Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Bored over at LGF?
I bet you can’t type these words:
“I’ve seen video of the yellow-glowing spills falling from WTC2″
September 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Heard this lady on a Sunday internet radio show…Dr Judy Woods…approach the subject like no other…simply as a crime scene. Fascinating …for me…2 hour interview on Dave Hodges show; her website http://www.judywoods.com was somewhat confusing for me, but check it it out to see the ideas presented.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
correction for Dr Judy Wood…no (s)…www.drjudywood.com
September 29th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I have been reading information about an “inside job” since a few days after 9/11. Nothing seems as if it will melt the frozen minds of types like President Christian, Reconmarine, or God Bless the USA. They are the majority in the USA today.
I don’t think it will break into the larger Collective Conscious of the American People. Those in Control do not just have police and Military at their disposal, they have the top psychologists and sociologists on their payroll and they know exactly how to frame information in such a fashion that the Truth movement will never fly and never move beyond the Alex Jones, Jeff Rense web sites. It will never gain enough energy to do any change in the World, no one will be punished. Like with Kennedy Assasination. No one was held accountable. All type of evidence has been brought up proving there is a larger Conspiracy behind the event, but the evidence changes nothing.
I think it is really sad but that is what big money can buy you. Truth and Reality, whatever you want them to be.
Quinny Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 12:47 am
I think this is reaching people on a subconscience level. People whom I would
never dream of hearing 9/11 truth from are now talking about it.
And the millions that are losing their jobs, homes, cars etc. are looking
much more closely at our Government and are realizing they have been
lied to about virtually EVERYTHING.
Alf Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 7:06 am
I think, judging by the comments on the media items (bloggers included) show that people are seeing the fnords now, the shill postings are being recognised for what they are. I think we passed the 100th monkey.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
I am sickened by your Truther.
September 29th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Reconmarine.
If you had half a brain more you would be a halfwit. You are a waste of space you moron. Were you born stupid or do you have to work at it. Honest, if you are representative of the Marine Corps then thank God for the Army.
President Christian.
Remember, those towers were designed to withstand such an event as 9/11. The core consists of 47 massive steel box columns, some 36 inches by 16 inches, some 52 inches by 22 inches and 5 inches thick at the base. Additionally, there are 240 perimeter columns. That, people, is lot of steel to heat up. Bear in mind that steel is a good conductor of heat, so that the heat is running away from the source and down the columns making it extremely difficult to raise the temperature at a particular spot. A few perimeter columns may have been taken out but those core columns, Ithink NOT!
Patriotgal.
ANFO is anammonium nitrate and fuel oil mixture. It is a LOW explosive used for blasting rock. ANFO will NOT cut steel. It will only bend it. To cut steel, you require a HIGH explosive such as TNT, C4, Plastic etc. If you see steel columns or beams which look as if they have been cut by an oxy-acetelene torch, you can be assured that it was NOT done by ANFO or dynamite.
Hey, weren’t there also reports of unexploded bombs in the OKC builing?
Garret
Just as Newton says.
Tim S
During the year the USAF apprehended scores of planes either off course or flying in restricted air space and escorted them away. Yeah, !00% record till 9/11 then on one day the Air Force stands down and 4 off course aircraft allowed through. How did OBL organise that from his cave?
God Bless the USA
God looks after fools and drunks and I suspect you are both, so you are in good hands.
Leave the thinking to others better equipt for it . Your highly analytical brain will get you in trouble one day.
Apparently it’s O.K. for the US military to shoot down an Iranian airliner though. Was Lockerbie a payback for that? Did the US government say “Yeah, right tit for tat but let’s use the situation to blame Libya instead” ?????
Ian.
Conducting war games or drills means that you have your response already in place i.e you don’t have to round up first responders from God knows where. The ambulances, the fire trucks, the first aid teams, the National Guard, the cops…they are all there handy and you, the guy in charge, looks efficient. (VERY efficient, didn’t even meet at5 the designated office in WTC7…more coincidence???????)
Same thing happened in London 7/7/2005. Remember? They were conducting a terrorist drill on the London Underground and trains in the very same tube lines involved in the exercise were blown up . More coincidence? Same M.O. so far as I’m concerned.
Steve
Think I’d be looking for a bit of pay back as well
Finally, would someone please tell me how you fit a Boeing 757 through a 16 foot diameter hole in the Pentagon wall?
Jackie
Norman Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:19 am
Jackie,
Great Post! But I have read excellent and intelligent responses to these individuals. They select a few to answer and mindlessly repeat over and over the same things and hurl insults at anyone who dares think. That is why sometimes I think it is Hopeless to change this mind type. I am not even sure they are Government shrills, I work with this type of mind and they say the same things. Like a deeply planted argument base, a cult thinking. They view posters on Prison Planet as the brainwashed cult, I do not see this in a objective light. Most posters respond to specific questions asked by these and seem to be lucid and thinking. I actually like the reconmoarine types as it motivates people to dig in and come up with new information I had not heard of and I continue researching. Their mindless posts actually help bring up new information.
BLACK BETTY Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:23 am
A MISSILE.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:55 am
When these Kindergarten drop outs, ex-garbage collectors, convicts and homocidal manaics or farm boys previously humping cows and sheep in Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and Virginia return from torturing and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in Iraq & Afghanistan, do they think they deserve a ticker parade? After sodomizing little boys in Iraq, beating and men to death, raping pregnant women and then shooting them and burning them alive to hide their crimes -I think the world should greet them by standing on toof tops and urinating and defecating on these cowardly slime in uniforms. May they all rot in hell. Amen
Norman Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 4:14 am
From what I have read, those that have done these things are a very small amount of the total force (in all battles some people “lose” it and do terrible things, I am sure this has happened in all warfare throughout History. You see your good friend ripped up by a roadside bomb and you get furious, military discipline can and does break down in the extremes of war).
I know of young men who have served and would not think to disgrace these people. When the Government is good, they do protect our Freedom, libery and property. I think the blame is on the American citizen for being so dumbed down they vote people in Office like a High School Popularity Contest, the best Liar wins. If we voted for character, honesty, dedication, love of Country then America’s finest would not engage in Wars for Profit of a few Elite. Any war would be strictly to defend the Nation.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Patriots,
Please view this video of former FBI Officer in charge Los Angeles Ted Gunderson relating history of FBI involvement in first attack on WTC and claiming that 9/11`was an inside job.
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=7546
Drag and drop it into your address bar.
I sense that the tide is turning against these scum. There is a new revolution gathering force.
Mary
September 30th, 2009 at 3:20 am
WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! WAIT!
It there WERE fires in WTC7 before the collapse of eith tower.
IF YOU REMEMBER …
The fires in building 7 were not put out by the sprinkler system because they said it was KNOCKED OUT by the collapse of WTC2 at 9:59am …
THEN someone POINTED OUT that the first known images of fire in WTC7 was at around 9:30am and therefore SHOULD have been put out by the sprinkler system as they occured while it would have still been working …
THEN they said they’d TURNED OFF the system at 8:30am that morning for a FIRE DRILL.
How the hell could PrisonPLanet forget such an important piece of information?
September 30th, 2009 at 4:21 am
It doesn’t matter if the steel melted or not, bcuz the whole top of both buildings from airplane impact on up fell off before the collapse starting taking place, which means there was no mass ontop to pancake collapse the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHGLI1Ihv0
http://911research.com/wtc/ana.....ation.html
September 30th, 2009 at 5:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTv6GRDINjY Listen to my call in to the Atlanta talk show the Neal Boortz radio show where I call him on 9/11 and ask him about Operation Northwoods.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:58 am
The author needs to do some actual research and check to see who wrote the “Life After People” episode. Was the writer actually qualified to make such a statement?
albury Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Doubt it, Ray. The “Life After People” writers sound to me like people with no background in structural engineering, and no understanding at all of what fires do to steel-framed buildings if left to burn uncontrolled. Someone who claims that the twin towers and WTC 7 “suffered relatively limited fires which were extinguished quickly” is the only real liar I see here. Extinguished by what, and did he actually ever bother to look at the fires, especially those in the towers? And what explosive or incendiary is capable of keeping any metal molten for months?
Typically dishonest quote-mining nonsense from what’s left of the 9/11 “truth movement.”
September 30th, 2009 at 10:16 am
WATCH SPINKTERMAN REVOLT.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
What happened on 911? Print this and spread it around.
http://www.thegoodseed.com/Wha.....On%209.pdf
September 30th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Formally published in a peer-reviewed Chemical Physics journal, today:
“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen
The paper ends with this sentence: “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”
In short, the paper explodes the official story that “no evidence” exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings.
What is high-tech explosive/pyrotechnic material in large quantities doing in the WTC dust? Who made tons of this stuff and why? Why have government investigators refused to look for explosive residues in the WTC aftermath?
These are central questions raised by this scientific study.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
We note once again, with interest the appearance of college boy Reconmarine on this site.
A relative of mine once told me about a marine who did his reconnaissance by moving around in ever diminishing circles until he finally reconnoitred his way up his fundamental orifice and was never seen again.
I think that this was probably Reconmarine who is now in an alternative reality, namely cyberspace.
They say the marines never leave their buddies behind. Reconmarine obviously never left his own behind. Hang in there buddy!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Trolls MUST MUST MUST not be engaged. Ignore them and they will go away. (I hope!) Yes, there are ppl out there who can’t handle the truth and have to attack it. Let them be, if they need to lash out and attack, let them. But engaging irrational, emotional comments gives them gravity which the don’t deserve and is a giant waste of time. We should make a brief lexicon of acronyms to avoid needless time wasting addressing posters who are a) irrational and emotional or b) behave as if they’re following a cointelpro handbook. I’ll start it off:
- NAP = not addressing point
- SMA = straw man argument
- AH = ad hominem attack
- LT = loaded term (ie: ‘flat-earther’, ‘teabagger’)
- EUL = evasive use of language
Use thus like:
NAP; melting point of steel
EUL; carbon fires don’t need to be ‘extinguished’ – when the fuel is spent they stop burning. {to Albury, at 8:14am}
Each of us has a mind which we can use rationally and a subconscious which can be effected from without.
Think for yourselves! Turn OFF the TV!
PEACE
September 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
So basically what you folks are saying is science matters. Am I correct? I’m inclined to distrust science, personally. Sure the laws of physics are usually trustworthy; however, how can we be sure that the laws of physics weren’t mysteriously violated on 9/11? Do you folks believe in anomolies or explained events? I realize it is hard to believe that small office fires could bring down build7, but again, anything is possible..sorta like murphy’s law.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Even if the science suggests that 9/11 was an inside job, why would our loving government attack its own citizens? First of all, the very nature of government refutes an inside job explanation. Governments are, by definition, like mommy. Why would mommy kill its own children? Government is akin to a bunny running through a green field with thoughts of peace!
September 30th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Jimmy Meigs,
Jimmy dear, face the truth. Ordinary people are merely an expendable resource. They are there solely to serve their masters.
FDR knew that Pearl Harbour was going to be bombed (America was reading Jap codes) but withheld this information from the base commanders Admiral H.E. Kimmel and General W.C. Short. for the simple reason that he wanted America in WW2. They and the dead were expendable.
Churchill had prior warning of the German raid on Coventry (The Brits were reading German codes couresy of Enigma machine) but allowed raid to proceed unchallenged with no warning to citizens so as not to tip of Germans that their codes were being broken. The dead were expendable. The dead were expendable.
The only human life they have any regard for is their own.
Don’t you find it remarkable that no steel frame building ever collapsed due to fire damage before 9/11 and never since and some fires have burned far longer. Coincidence that suddenly 3 buildings in Manhatten go down the same day. Coinidences galore on 9/11 when you look.
Crispy,
I think it is past your bedtime dear. Go get some sleep. There’s a good boy.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:29 pm
very glad someone picked up on this, I watched this pos and laughed my ass off thinking, wow, did they really just do that?
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
STEEL MELTS AT 1100 DEGREES FOR MUZLIMS ONLY!