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Homeschooling Banned in California as State Turns Parents Into Criminals for Teaching Their Own Children
David Gutierrez
Natural News
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Updated: HOMESCHOOLERS WIN LANDMARK CASE
Purcellville, VA—In a 3-0 decision the California Court of Appeal for the Second Appellate District reversed its earlier ruling which would have required homeschoolers to be certified teachers in order to homeschool in California. “This is a great victory for homeschool freedom,” said Michael Farris, one of the team of attorneys who argued the case before the court and Chairman of HSLDA.
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(NaturalNews) A California appeals court has ruled that homeschooling of children is illegal unless their parents have teaching credentials from the state.
“California is now on the path to being the only state to deny the vast majority of homeschooling parents their fundamental right to teach their own children at home,” said Michael Smith, president of the Home School Legal Defense Association.
The court overturned a lower court’s finding that homeschooling did not constitute a violation of child welfare laws.
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“California courts have held that … parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children,” Justice H. Walter Croskey said.
The decision stunned parents of the state’s roughly 166,000 homeschooled children. While the court claimed that it was merely clarifying an existing law and not making a new one, the decision leaves the parents of homeschooled children at risk of arrest and criminal prosecution.
“At first, there was a sense of, ‘No way,’ ” homeschool parent Loren Mavromati said. “Then there was a little bit of fear. I think it has moved now into indignation.”
Parents’ reasons for homeschooling their children range from religious beliefs to dissatisfaction with the education received at public or private schools. But according to the court, all California children between the ages of 6 and 18 must attend either a full-time public or private school or be taught by a tutor credentialed for their specific grade level.
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote.
California’s largest teachers union welcomed the decision as did the Children’s Law Center of Los Angeles.
According to the law center’s executive director, Leslie Heimov, children should not be educated at home, because they need to be “in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.”
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September 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 am
Let the exodus begin.
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 am
GOOD IT SHOULD BE BANNED,,,,THERE CHILDREN BECOME ANTISOCIAL,BRING THEM INTO THE REAL WORLD
Richard Dumass Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
you should be banned idiot! Maybe you should be put in a FEMA camp for “re-education”
Victor Lehman Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:10 am
You are wrong and have no clue.
Joe Reply:
February 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
what the hell? what is antisocial? oh, not wanting to drink the kool-aid. you do realize that the state has no rights. only the people have rights. the state only exists to protect our rights. looks like we need to take the rights the states think they have. im sick of it all. when are we going to wake up?
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:49 am
“in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.”
It’s called parents in their own home.
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:54 am
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Justice H. Walter Croskey wrote. Thanks, justice Croskey, for stating what I’ve said for years. The public education system is PRIMARILY a state indoctrination center! The actual education is secondary.
The childrens law center seems to believe that school staff loves and cares for your children more than you do!
Nazi’s are in control of OUR country!
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:58 am
don’t you know, parents must first be brainwashed before they can brainwash their kids !!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7vb1ZtmMIE
Victor Lehman Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:14 am
It is my responsibility to teach my children right from wrong not the state.
If I do not teach them, the state fines me as a parent.
Most public schools are just day care centers so both parents can go to work.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 am
Parents are responsible for their children not the state. Oh wait, I forgo,t I am in completely f–cking upside down and backwards land.
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote.
I don’t like what this judge said so under our new soviet style rules power and influence will be wielded in the shadows to have this judge sent to a Siberian work camp, I mean an Alaskan work camp.
I hope those home schooling parents are indeed smarter than the publicly educated state loyalists
that are ruining this country, I mean America.
What if everyone didn’t pay their income tax next year. Sure there will be a few stragglers that pay but what if the vast majority of FED up American simply did nothing next 4/15/09?
The best part of this plan is that it requires absolutely no effort from anyone who participates.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 am
Croskey’s statement that the primary purpose for the “system” is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation is one of the scariest statements I have read to date!! The educational system was established to train our children how to read, write and do arithmetic, not have fascist propaganda pumped into their young brains!!! The Russian’s and Nazi’s employed this very method to produce a brainwashed citizenry, to take away all authority of the parents and is a BLATANT method of mind control and propaganda. This is NOT a communist nation YET! The outrage I feel right now is beyond comprehension! WE MUST STAND UP AGAINST THIS TYRANNY!! Our children are NOT the property of the state! This needs to be taken beyond the appellate level!!
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 am
This is about the money. Every child that is not in school, the state does not receive badly needed money for the school system. 166,000 more children in school would add to California’s wallet. Not much but it all helps. These laws are created to take your rights away to teach your own children for the money.
Richard Dumass Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Actually it is a SAVINGS to the state, because people who home school their kids still pay the same taxes as everyone else. Hell, I just had my first kid (at age 38) but I had to pay school taxes (’Mello Roos’) for schools even tho I didn’t have any just because I owned a home. Now that I have a child I pay LESS taxes. Talk about an upside down system!
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote.
this is a line straight out of the COMMUNIST text book ! Wake up people !
pa wants all kids to be in the Communist (real ) world.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:21 am
That is the most ridiculous ruling I’ve ever heard. Wake up America… Are you reading these rulings……..
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Glad I don’t live there anymore. What a scary, scary ruling. Can’t judges be recalled in California? I believe they got rid of Rose Bird in a recall. Seems like the thing to do here.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Is the right to school children given to the State by the U.S. or California Constitutions? And if not, how did “it” get it? If it did not, it’s retained by the people, how can a court justify such a ruling?
Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 am
This was changed…..FYI…..
In a unanimous decision, the California Court of Appeal for the Second Appellate District today ruled that “California statutes permit home schooling as a species of private school education.”
http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/ca/200808080.asp
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am
Let the REVOLUTION begin.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am
CPS stole my daughter’s son and adopted him to some yuppie couple because they did not like the father of the baby, who does not live with my daughter, has not lived with her, and only visited her. The judge and one of the attornies is dead, and I think the whole damn county (ELDORADO) is being run on the judicial and legal system. They are also making her pay for child support. I hope those on the county side lose their jobs, or for that matter, I think they should be doing time in prison!
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Well, I also suppose that the parent’s of the children in home schooling will be moving and that is just that much less being paid into the California State tax system! Can California afford to educate another 166,000 + students? Talk about people control, the remarks by the judge and the law system border on what I would think would come out of a communist dictator’s mouth. I think California law should be challenged at this point and the judge by “de-throned” I would bet we haven’t heard the end of this, and I think that Scharznegger should be tossed too.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 am
Another comment to “pa” Thank God you ain’t no pa of mine you communist bastard.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
What everyone fails to realize is that parents are really guardians of their “State” owned children. The ownership of children passes to the government when they sign the birth certificate and social security paperwork.
Please do not believe me and do your homework!
Google:
Birth Certificate Bond Tracking Number
Jordan Maxwell-The Queen of England (He describes the whole process)
*Robert-Arthur: Menard
-The Magnificant Deception
-Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception
-With Lawful Excuse
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation”
If yer against this, then yer a terr’rist. Dang home schoolers! Just a band of hippie terr’rists if’n you ask me.
Seriously though, how many states, and how many nations have demanded loyalty?
How many have given loyalty to their people?
I heard it said “they will go after the home schoolers first”
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 am
Yet another reason to not live in the Socialist Republic of California.
What a shame a bunch of Commies have completely ruined such a beautiful place.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 am
““A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote. ”
I guess that pretty much says it all, your children are now the property of the state brainwashing.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 am
Well, if California does it. Won’t be long and the rest of USA will follow.Words my father taught me at home. I see the only negative in it is the fact they have lower social skills. Though I gained most of mine during college. So, I dont know. I struggled in college after attending public school and so did my sister that sells real estate now full-time. She still makes money in this market. Anyways, I remember being in public school and how teachers say we had no freedom as students. Interesting… Actually, it’s a lie to control the students. Though I do support the voucher system but I didnt leave my high school because I was involved in school activities that I did not want to change. Otherwise, I would have packed up. Now that school is have 800k short fall so it might be absorbed in bigger city school system. Which has even more problems. Well, I guess the 20K jobs will always have people fighting for them since we will be uneducated more and more every year.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 am
Homeschoolers don’t have “lower social skills.” In fact, their social development is superior to their public schooled counterparts. The reason is as follows…In public (or private) school children are segregated based on age and only develop comfort in relating to people of an identical age group. If you think back I’m sure that you’ll remember how “different” kids only a few grades up or down seemed.
Homeschooled kids, despite what is commonly believed, have a very large social network that includes all ages and thus; they are as comfortable watching over very young children as they are with kids their own age as they are carrying on a conversation with an adult
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
I thought that the purpose of school was to teach us and our children how to do math and read and write and history! I guess we have traded brains for stupidity. I will tell you one thing, my kids are gonna be homeschooled and if they try to take them away they will get my size 13 steel toe in their face!
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pm
The illusion of freedom is better than none at all.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Justice Croskey is incorrect, the parents in California DO have a right to homeschool their children, they are just going to have to use diploma’d, credentialled teachers to do it. That way the students won’t be brainwashed with cretinism, that the earth is 12,000 years old, that there is only one true religeon, etc. They might be able to compete intellectually in the world instead of becoming chattle.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation.”
Be a nice little robot and we will let you have television and cable and video games and a cell-phone. Otherwise, up against the wall m*therf*ck*er, and get your butt into jail. BECAUSE WE SAY SO! Sheeeeple, WAKE UP. The Estado de Kalifornica is exercizing too much control.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Well I think California missed the mark in their decision. Many people choose homeschooling because of the poor standards and busy work at public schools and because they can’t afford to send their children to private schools. Personally I think that many private schools are just as bad. This decision is completely stupid, because many private schools allow people without the teacher certification to teach.
I find it insulting that the court in California has declared that when I am done getting my M.A. that I still can’t teach my children. Even though research shows that Teachers (B.S.E., M.S.E. & Ph.D E’s) are the worst as far as picking up the non-verbal messages from children; heck I spent a good deal of study on this very fact.
Personally I plan on home schooling any children of mine for three reasons. 1.) I was placed in a learning disabled class at an early age and kept there until a temporary teacher came in and demanded I be re-tested and placed in a regular class. I was doing work that was more advanced than the regular class, and the school was keeping me there for the money. 2.) There is too much emphasis on “feel good” education, and busy work; not enough on fundamentals. 3.) Because I can give my own children a more well rounded education than the public school system can. I can talor their education to things that interest them, while at the same time keeping to the standards.
In 4th grade I didn’t care about the childrens books my class was reading, but I enjoyed reading random entries in my encyclopedia Brittanica, reading my collection of Time Life books; and reading my mother’s old college Physics textbook. I’m not even saying I was smart, because I personally consider myself average; I am just saying that the public school system failed me by keeping me in a learning disabled class for so long just because the fat check from the government was so tempting to them.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
The people that made that happen “Suck”. Do most Californians want that to happen? If so, then they suck too. Fuck the state! We the people!!!!! Asss hooooles!!!!!
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Not surprising that the state would want to force people to be “loyal” to it, and to do so starting from a very early age. Also, the consitution is to there to restrict the government, not grant privileges to the people. All forms of actions not specifically granted to the government are therefore prohibited to the government. I don’t know of any part of the constitution that gives the government control over what can and cannot be taught to children.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
California schools are rated 49th place in the nation last I heard… which may be one of the reasons why people homeschool there! Having lived there, the schools do suck. I hope the homeschoolers out there put up a huge fight!
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
No the illusion of freedom is exactly like not having freedom, hmmm, so how is that better? Your saying that’s its better to be a mindless sheep than fight for our freedoms, good luck with that. As for me and my house we would rather live free or die!!
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
JEH hit it on the head about the comment by Judge Croskey. These people don’t really care about the children. They just want to keep control and power in any way possible.
Time to start researching our education system in general. WE are all set up to fail when it comes to a State run education system. Education should NOT be a part of our government’s job!!!!!
http://www.deliberatedumbingdo.....s/book.htm
Lots of great information here. Our kids don’t need to be brainwashed and manipulated by this corrupt system of lies, deceit and control.
Congratulations to the idiots in CA who have been deliberately dumbed down and who readily accept this as a “good thing”. Judge Croskey should be ashamed of himself. Just go take a look at this guy. http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/co.....roskey.htm
He looks like a damn pedophile….
And then Leslie Heimov…Mrs. Child Welfare advocate says that children should not be educated at home, because they need to be “in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.”
How obscure and ridiculous is that? Yes…we need Stalin to make sure our kids do thy bidding….we don’t want parents instilling any values or beliefs that may contradict the STATE.
So now this about child safety?? What the heck is going one here.
WAKE UP PEOPLE.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
because they need to be “in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.” ummm…..their house?!
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
The apathy of the “sheeple” parents and citizens of this country…The government education concentration training camps are turning our children into the future robotized brainwashed dumbed down sheeple to be slaves to the elite military industrial complex that is the new world order.
Go do your own research if you do not understand all the terms I just used….The technocratic elite are currently bankrupting this country and robbing all the citizens of any last fiat cash they may have….So by BANNING homeschool, our kids can get back to learning to stand down for their beliefs when they grow up. When the new world order sticks a gun to their heads and says give me some money or assests the kids will ask “how much???”………..
PLEASE CITIZENS………WAKE UP!!!! God, open our eyes and guide us as we try to save our country, Lord…. The one dedicated to You………Amen.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
In the school of my kids, the “Three R’s” now stand for “Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.” I kid you not. Global warming murals are on the walls; the faculty is pushing Obama down the kids’ throats … It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
“…patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation”
this is all about denying parents the right to teach their kids to think critically.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,”
Sounds more like indoctrination than education.
“in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.”
Like parents? What the hell is going on? How can people write this without breaking into maniacal laughter?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
After getting some info from a friend, I looked into this further, and this article is erroneous. A amended judgment was entered in August, which reverses the ban on uncredentialed homeschooling. It can be found at:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/op.....92878A.PDF
IMO, this is a very weak decision, which specifically argues the State’s obligation to provide for the safety of children, an obligation which is, of course, overlooked whenever convenient, but which provides justifications for advancing the “State’s” agendas of control.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Beavis: Hey Beavis, you know how sometimes we get a ride home from school, and there’s all those dudes crammed together in the backseat?
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Most of our viewers are parents at home with their pre-school-aged children. What will you tell your kids about the horrors that you see everyday?
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote…
BANG! Damn straight…
Of ALL of the reasons for the “state” wanting to “educate” children, these three are the ones chosen for a quote in the story and tell the entire truth. There is absolutely nothing in these reasons that even infer a typical education as defined by the majority of Americans. Rather, these reasons adamantly DENY education and instead promote an idealogy system where the “state” IS and ALWAYS WILL BE the ultimate power WITHOUT QUESTION.
Our children can say good bye to free thought and critical thinking forever and they can thank us citizens of the great United States for shirking our citizen responsibilities and letting this happen.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
There will be no glory in your sacrifice. I will erase even the memory of Sparta from the histories! Every piece of Greek parchment shall be burned. Every Greek historian, and every scribe shall have their eyes pulled out, and their tongues cut from their mouths. Why, uttering the very name of Sparta, or Leonidas, will be punishable by death! The world will never know you existed at all!
300
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
As the Christian Brothers used to say: “give me the child, and I’ll give you the man”. You get my drift…….
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
“ensure their ongoing safety” are we talking about th same school systems? Safety is once of the main reasons we don’t send our son to public school. As for people who have a “DUTY to ensure it”, its not my duty, its our desire to ensure our childs safety, more than willing to die for them….not sure when I have seen a teacher with that kind of commitment to a student…
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
This is obviously an attempt to obtain loyalty of the children to the Nation instead of their family unit. There is no better time then right now for the Parents of the State of California to Stand up against this injustice. If that means Going against the LAW then so be it. You have a right to raise your children and teach them how you see fit. Not the other way around. They are not your masters. Make a movement, Organize all the known home schooled parents and March right down in there faces till the realize that some of us “sheeple” actually do think for ourselves and will make a stand for what is right.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm
“Beau Deters Says: ”
You forgot to mention that birth certificates say “Department Of Commerce” on them.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
DOWN WITH THE STATE…!!!!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE…!!!!
Wake up America before it is too Late…!!!
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Zeig heil, comrades! It looks like another 500,00 people will now be forced to leave Kalipornia to protect some vestige of their children’s fast waning innocence. A few more cases like this and we will see some real serious mass migration of citizens on an unprecedented scale, which will further deoress the economy.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Hopefully, more appeals are possible. If not, this is a disaster.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
“Education as the exercise of domination stimulates the credulity of students, with the ideological intent (not often perceived by educators) of indocrinating them to adapt to the world of oppression. This accusation is not made in the naive hope that the dominant elites will thereby simply abandon the practice. Its objective is to call the attention of the true humanists to the fact that they cannot use banking educational methods in the pursuit of liberation, for they would only negate that they pursuit. Nor may a revolutionary society inherit these methods from an opressor society. The revolutionary society which practices banking education is either misguided or mistrusting of people. In either event, it is threatened by the specter of reaction.
Unfortunately, those who espouse the cause of liberation are themselves surrounded and influenced by the climate which generates the banking concept, and often do not perceive its true significance or its dehumanizing power. Paradoxically, then, they utilize this same instrument of alienation in what they consider an effort to liberate. Indeed, some “revolutionaries” brand as “innocents,” “dreamers,” or even “reactionaries” those who would challenge this educational practice. But one does not liberate people by alienating them. Authentic liberation–the process of humanization–is not another deposit to be made in men. Liberation is a praxis: the action and reflection of men and women upon their world in order to transform it. Those truly committed to the cause of liberation can accept neither the mechanistic concept of consciousness as an empty vessel to be filled, nor the use of banking methods of domination (propaganda, slogans–deposits) in the name of liberation.
Those truly commited to liberation must reject the banking concept its entirety, adopting instead a concept of women and men as conscious beings, and consciousness as consciousness intent upon the world. They must abandon the educational goal of deposit making and replace it with the posing of problems of human beings in their relations with the world. “Problem-posing” education, responding to the essence of consciousness–intentionality– rejects communiques and embodies communications. It epitomizes the special characteristic of consciousness being conscious of, not only as intent on objects but as turned upon itself in a jasperian “split”–as consciousness as consciousness of consciousness.
Liberating education consists in acts of cognition, not transferrals of information. It is a learning situation in which the cognizible object (far from being the end of the cognitive act) intermediates the cognitive actors–teacher on the one hand and students on the other. Accordingly, the practice of problem posing education entails at the outset that the teacher-student contradiction be resolved. Dialogical relations– indespensable to the capacity of cognitive actors to cooperate in perceiving the same cognizable ovject–are otherwise impossible.”
–from “The “banking” concept of education” by Paulo Freire
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
This is too much. They’ve gone too far. I’m about finished with anything associated with the word government. Lets start this revolution already people!!!
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
What the Hell is this Fascist Crap!!!.. If it can happen in one state people it will happen in others..
The AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE IN REAL TROUBLE >> WHEN THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO BAN TOGETHER TO FIGHT ALL THIS CRAP..
BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE IS A LOAD OF CRAP..
THEY REALLY MEAN
A MEANS TO ENSLAVE THE PEOPLE DISGUISED BY THE PEOPLE
BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WONT WAKE UP!!!!
FASCISM IS HERE AND RISING..
THE FASCI IS ON YOUR DIME PEOPLE ..WAKE UP AND SMELL THE TRUTH
NOT THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!! THE TRUTH…. i can’t stress this enough
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Homeschooling in California is NOT illegal. Homeschooling in California WITHOUT A LICENSE TO DO SO is illegal…as it should be. There are plenty of stupid children who grow up to be stupid adults and, if allowed to homeschool their own children, would just continue the cycle of stupidity. Then, at some future point, the world is too stupid and there aren’t enough doctors, etc. People are ok with teachers needing a degree to teach, but not parents?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Quotation by scott:
“this is all about denying parents the right to teach their kids to think critically.”
No it’s not idiot. It ensures the parents are qualified to do so.
THIS DECISION IS NOT PREVENTING PARENTS FROM HOMESCHOOLING! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
The decision ensures that the parents are competent enough to prepare their children for possible higher education. Would you want to drive on a road where drivers don’t have to demonstrate a minimal competency to operate a possibly deadly automobile? Would you mind your surgery being performed by an unlicensed physician? Why not?
THE BILL/DECISION DOES NOT (DOES NOT!!) PREVENT PARENTS FROM HOMESCHOOLING THEIR CHILDREN. And if you think parents shouldn’t be required to demonstrate a minimum competency to teach their children and prepare them for higher academics, well, you must have been homeschooled by someone who wasn’t competent.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
NO NO NO!!! This is outdated and erroneous reporting! No dates provided, no indication as to which California court allegedly made this ruling, NOTHING to substantiate this!
Per the Home School Legal Defense Association, there is NO such new ruling, and homeschooling remains LEGAL in California.
I believe the Natural News reporter simply pulled up outdated information and printed this story without checking (or providing!) any facts. I find both the original reporter and Prison Plant irresponsible for spreading false information.
If, indeed, this is a NEW ruling? Provide the reference to back it up. Otherwise, a retraction is in order.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
It ain’t the tip of any iceberg anymore. That sucker is looming over all of us now, and will probably ‘calve’ shortly and start drowning us all… If this doesn’t piss you off, not much ever will…
We still have strength in numbers. Please remember that, EVERYONE.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Quotation by Miss Darla:
“I believe the Natural News reporter simply pulled up outdated information and printed this story without checking (or providing!) any facts. I find both the original reporter and Prison Plant irresponsible for spreading false information.”
That’s precisely how Alex Jones, PrisonPlanet and the “truth” movement functions. The Alex Jones sheep will believe ANYTHING if Uncle Alex says it. Look at how many idiots in this thread responded negatively without having seen any original documents…just a brief PrisonPlanet article. They hear Uncle Alex say “X is evil” and they scream “evil.” They are brainwashed to the core.
As far as talk about revolution (Colorado Patriot and Jonathan D.), it will never happen. “Truthers are too lazy and stupid to revolt. Not only do they not revolt, they assist the “evil and murderous” corporate America and U.S. Government by:
1. Buying corporate America’s products.
2. Working for corporate America.
3. Giving a portion of their meager income to the U.S. Government.
The “truther” sheep are too dumbed down and pacified with devices such as cell phones, the internet, video games, weed, automobiles, television, etc.
There will NEVER be a revolution. “Truthers” think corporate America and the U.S. Government killed 3,000 of its own citizens and is now trying to kill and/or enslave them. It’s been 7 years. With such dire circumstances, if a revolution hasn’t already happened, it never will. EVER!
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
This will be the beginning of a revolt. No telling where this is going to end up!
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:30 pm
this seems to me to be one of many things the gov is upto to stir us up into revolt so they can enstate full martial law…..
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:35 pm
“Education as the exercise of domination stimulates the credulity of students, with the ideological intent (not often perceived by educators) of indocrinating them to adapt to the world of oppression. This accusation is not made in the naive hope that the dominant elites will thereby simply abandon the practice. Its objective is to call the attention of the true humanists to the fact that they cannot use banking educational methods in the pursuit of liberation, for they would only negate that they pursuit. Nor may a revolutionary society inherit these methods from an opressor society. The revolutionary society which practices banking education is either misguided or mistrusting of people. In either event, it is threatened by the specter of reaction.
Unfortunately, those who espouse the cause of liberation are themselves surrounded and influenced by the climate which generates the banking concept, and often do not perceive its true significance or its dehumanizing power. Paradoxically, then, they utilize this same instrument of alienation in what they consider an effort to liberate. Indeed, some “revolutionaries” brand as “innocents,” “dreamers,” or even “reactionaries” those who would challenge this educational practice. But one does not liberate people by alienating them. Authentic liberation–the process of humanization–is not another deposit to be made in men. Liberation is a praxis: the action and reflection of men and women upon their world in order to transform it. Those truly committed to the cause of liberation can accept neither the mechanistic concept of consciousness as an empty vessel to be filled, nor the use of banking methods of domination (propaganda, slogans–deposits) in the name of liberation.
Those truly commited to liberation must reject the banking concept its entirety, adopting instead a concept of women and men as conscious beings, and consciousness as consciousness intent upon the world. They must abandon the educational goal of deposit making and replace it with the posing of problems of human beings in their relations with the world. “Problem-posing” education, responding to the essence of consciousness–intentionality– rejects communiques and embodies communications. It epitomizes the special characteristic of consciousness being conscious of, not only as intent on objects but as turned upon itself in a jasperian “split”–as consciousness as consciousness of consciousness.
Liberating education consists in acts of cognition, not transferrals of information. It is a learning situation in which the cognizible object (far from being the end of the cognitive act) intermediates the cognitive actors–teacher on the one hand and students on the other. Accordingly, the practice of problem posing education entails at the outset that the teacher-student contradiction be resolved. Dialogical relations– indespensable to the capacity of cognitive actors to cooperate in perceiving the same cognizable ovject–are otherwise impossible.”
–from “The “banking” concept of education” by Paulo Freire
That’s what I’ve been saying since I was sixteen though with far less articulation. When subjects are broken apart and the reasons for the subject matter are not taught but simply the tools given and various applications suggested an individual must somehow radically formulate the ability to move one contruct into another contruct and determine the applicable ability to process and use the abstract tool, such as various forms of mathmatics, to any application not presented to the person. When I was taught philosphy and understood where and why math came about about I was able to use the tool of math to describe various processes not taught to me orginally in math. The same goes for the general subject of science. Then when critical(which does not mean negative thinking towards a subject but to investigate the meaning of presented concepts), thinking occurs the indivdual will in fact learn, understand and comprehend what it is that is being presented to them.
This tends to occur outside of the educational system(for the most part), and occurs by individual exploration and self-taught people.
If you want to truly free your mind read critically as much as you can. Read books that challenge your ideals and beliefs. Become uncomfortable with what you are reading and if you don’t like it don’t dismiss the subject out of hand but find out what the subject is claiming and why that can not be.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Alex –
This is an old report concerning a decision that was reversed in August. I think your web-guys blew it buddy.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Dream on Gegal. If you keep repeating it, you will eventually be able to believe it.
…I can’t hear you.,.. the TV’s too loud.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Oh yeah…and Chris…you’re kidding right? Freier wasn’t articulate he was obfuscating.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
For what it’s worth, this seems to confirm Darla’s claim that the article is outdated:
http://www.californiahomeschoo.....pdates.htm
I just got the link from a Google search…
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I was surprised to see this news, since I thought the issue had been resolved. If this story is true, it’s certainly proof that the devil’s people never give up.
John
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm
An apparent update from the Home School Legal Defense Association (a group cited in the article):
http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/ca/200808120.asp
It might be interesting to know why the Natural News article is dated 9/23, whether they have a more recent update, or are belatedly, outdatedly referring to the February ruling…
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:20 pm
You all think if something is outdated, who knows maybe it is. However this does not mean that they have tried are even trying now to control are children. It is obvious to anyone with a brain knows that the system only wants people to conform to their way of thought. No doubt Alex is a showman, but he looks for the truth and tries to expose it. It will happen as our forefathers have said that a democracy leads to a dictatorship and to a fascist state. You will find Republic in the constitution not Democracy. Who was it that said, ” When the government fears the people, there is liberty; when the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” There is no longer a balance of power in the 3 branches of government and there is no longer a balance of power in the people and government and as Thomas Jefferson once implied; it might be time for fresh blood for the revival of freedom. You think because we have not revolted we won’t. As another great man once said, “power concedes nothing without a demand. And Oh yes the clues and facts are there people. They have always been there so you moles, wake the fuck up before its too late..
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I left this out from my last post. I didn’t write this, but it is relevant. and fairly close to my own thoughts. I don’t think he or she was referring to the 9/11 truthers, do you? Draw your own reality as you will, but don’t get lost in the rabbit hole, it’s very deep.
We are not really free, my friends, and as long as the ignorant masses are the majority, we will never be. When barely 50% of the people vote, and when 80% of those people vote based on “hot issues” that are entirely irrelevant to the true problems that plague the world (i.e. the religious affiliation of the candidate), who do you really think is in control? It is the people who own the propaganda machines such as News Corp who are in control, because they control your reality. They control your reality because you get your reality from their television programs, their music, their news. They brainwashed you to think that their fucking non-objectively based money system is the end all to existence and is the only system that can work. They brainwashed you into thinking money is the most important thing in your lives. They brainwashed you into wasting your precious little time as an observer of this universe on material shit that means nothing in the end. They brainwashed you into believing in a system where the laws protect the rich and steal from the poor. WAKE THE FUCK UP
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Lee –
You’re preaching to the converted.
MDA
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:43 pm
You WILL allow your children to be taught to be whores and bastards or we WILL rip your family apart.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:52 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....&tsp=1 This has become a deliberately clouded issue, it seems. This Aug 8 2008 article partially helps clarify (SanFrancisco Chronicle). Someone has obscured the mulptiple ILLEGAL to HOMESCHOOL recent stories.
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote.
This crap sounds just like 1984. They want us all to be good little slaves. I hope this starts it finally so we can shove all of their laws you know where.
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
The
“primary purpose of the educational system is to train (Brainwash) school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation”
in
“a place daily where they would be observed (and taught to embrace sexual promiscuity and/or homosexuality) by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety (in the largest gang infested school system in the country).”
So screw your religion, and you and your children’s constitutional rights.
Sincerely,
The State of California
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
“loyalty to the state and nation,” huh?
I’ll start being loyal to the state and nation when it is loyal to me.
The State and Federal governments are loyal to everyone but their own people, whom they regard as subjects to be kept out of sight and mind; until it’s time to pony up for more bailouts for their wealthy friends.
Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
My advice, leave the state! They are forcing you now to submit your kids to the unethical brainwashing of our children or else. NO FUCKING WAY WOULD I STAND FOR THIS!
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
We have a right to protect our children. Frankly, from what I have found out, its not that hard to prove that the states by way of the federal government have been conspiring to deprive us of that right, when they expect us to just let them lie to our children. No way no how NOT EVER! Can you say war???????????????
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Leave the state. I survived the enemy re-education camp, but most don’t. There is no reason to send your children there.
Sure it is hard to uproot but, if things go right your children are going to carry on after you, do you want them to be brainwashed idiots?
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 pm
They should all leave the state. I intend to homeschool and I’m looking to the plains states.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:28 pm
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation” ?
Holy crap, isn’t this what they said in Stalinist Russia 75 years ago?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 pm
take it lying down california, OR STAND UP NOW!
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 pm
because if you don’t, they will keep coming.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm
“A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation,” Croskey wrote.
ie. children of america are to be programed to be good little sheeple.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm
teaching credentials ? in other words if you teach them what we tell you and tick all our boxes its ok more state fodder
September 24th, 2008 at 12:39 am
They want those children to be brainwashed in the public school system! God bless you homeschooling parents and children!
September 24th, 2008 at 2:05 am
THEY WANT YOUR CHILDREN AT HAND WHEN THEY COME TO GET THEM FOR THE CAMPS
September 24th, 2008 at 2:11 am
THE GOVERNMENT ARE COMING TO GET YOU YOUR MONEY, YOUR WIFE, YOUR CHILDREN AND THEN YOUR SOUL ONE BY ONE YOU WILL BE STRIPPED BARE THE EYE OF SAURON IS ON AMERICA USING HIS PUPPET SAURUMAN(MASONRY/ILLUMINATE) BANKING ELITES TO DO HIS DIRTY WORK BEFORE HE TURNS THE FULL POWER OF NATO AND THE UN TERRORISTS ON US AL
September 24th, 2008 at 2:14 am
While I do sympathize with a parents’ right to raise their children as they wish, I do have to say that I agree with the court’s ruling in this instance. Even the best intentioned parent may miss the mark in the formal education of their kids. They don’t know what they don’t know and may omit crucial elementary skills necessary for a child’s preparation, if they so choose, for latter higher education. There’s one mother I know who home schools who is a functional illiterate – a case of the blind leading the blind.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:01 am
I’m confused. I thought the most recent ruling reversed the anti-homeschooling decision that came down some time last spring. Has the reversal been overturned now? What is going on here???
September 24th, 2008 at 3:04 am
Leslie Heimov misinformed comment, “in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety.” My son feels safest when he’s at home. He’s forced to be apathetic when he has to look away from kids being beat up, or when teachers are distracted by their cell phones and leave classrooms unattended. My son did college math in 7th grade, can public school compete with that? These comments normally come from people who are disassociated from the day to day. I however, am there EVERYDAY for my son!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:52 am
This story is bullshit. Here is a link to the real story, dated August 8th, which tells a completely different version. Check it out:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_.....ck_check=1
September 24th, 2008 at 4:01 am
All your children are belong to us!
September 24th, 2008 at 7:30 am
This is old news. The decision has been overturned. Go to HSLDA’s website for the facts.
“In a 3-0 decision the California Court of Appeal for the Second Appellate District reversed its earlier ruling which would have required homeschoolers to be certified teachers in order to homeschool in California. “This is a great victory for homeschool freedom,” said Michael Farris, one of the team of attorneys who argued the case before the court and Chairman of HSLDA.”
http://www.hslda.org/docs/media/2008/200808080.asp
September 24th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Marilynn –
You’re right. This is an out of date story that some alternative newswire released again for some reason. The ruling being referred to was reversed in August thanks to the help of, among others, the HSLDA.
Alex, you’re news is very reliable but your staff needs to fact check this stuff before they post it. Leaving something like this up puts your credibility at risk. It should really be taken down.
MDA
January 30th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Californian mountains, part of Gaia’s chakra rumbles in the midst,
Pack your bags and go……..
January 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Obviously this is designed to prevent critical thinkers. The system needs sheep, not intelligent, logical, concise thinkers.
In numbers, home schooled children are a minority among those being shuttled through elementary, middle and high schools. However, when the Home Schoolers are in competition with the products of public schools, they leave them in the dust. The headlines tell the story. Put them in a spelling or geography bee and the home schooled child usually takes top honors. It’s actually news when they do not!
Home schooled students in the US score 15 to 30 percentile points, on average, above their school peers whether the subject is reading, writing, mathematics, science or social studies. The mediocre science scores of public school students were front-page news in January 08. In May, the news that majority of US high school seniors had a practically no grasp of their nation’s history was also on the front pages. Historians and education professionals called the scores “abysmal.” Bad as the scores were, they have shown no improvement since 1994! But Tax revenue for schools has increased 72% since the 80’s.
Controlled children become controlled adults.
March 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
This is what happens when the state government takes the side of special interest groups over the wishes of voters. Wake up people of California! You brought this on yourselves! What did you think would happen when you keep electing far left liberals to your state government? You pay the highest taxes in the country, you have one of the worst education systems and your government is running businesses out of the state. You need to ignore the adoring media coverage of liberal politicians and question their motives and effectiveness . Oh by the way, your RINO Governor has drunk the liberal kool-aid a long time ago.