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Howard Zinn: “I Don’t Care” If 9/11 Was An Inside Job
Another gatekeeper illustrates the intellectual cowardice of the establishment left
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
World renowned peace activist and left-wing anti-war icon Howard Zinn recently told an audience that he didn’t care if 9/11 was an inside job, echoing the disdainful and apathetic rhetoric of fellow liberal gatekeepers Noam Chomsky and Alexander Cockburn in dismissing the efforts of the 9/11 truth movement.
Buddy Moore, Independent Candidate for US Senate in Colorado, asked Zinn if he would join him in voicing doubts about the official 9/11 story and in particular the demolition of the twin towers and Building 7.
Zinn said he was skeptical of the official story but then stated, “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion from what we really have to do,” adding that debating who was behind 9/11, “gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation”.
Moore attempted to ask Zinn a follow up question about allowing the perpetrators to go free but was largely shouted down by Zinn’s fawning army of left-wing sycophants.
Watch the clip below.
Zinn’s comments echo similar sentiments expressed by fellow left-wing luminary, Noam Chomsky, who has repeatedly expressed arrogance and contempt towards the 9/11 truth movement while invoking apathy towards the contention that there was government complicity in the attacks, despite the fact that the 9/11 attacks happening exactly as the government maintains was key to launching the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the massive rollback in civil liberties that has occurred over the last seven years.
During a 2006 Internet forum event, Chomsky claimed that the 9/11 truth movement peddled “arcane and dubious theories” and had distracted activists from pursuing “crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC,” presumably belittling the deaths of around 2,000 Americans, along with hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis, as well as thousands of U.S. troops in the wars that followed that could not have been launched without the pretext of 9/11.
When a critic asked Chomsky why he was so dismissive of the supposition that 9/11 was a false flag event, pointing out numerous other examples throughout history including the bombing of the Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and Pearl Harbor, Chomsky merely reiterated his insolence, stating, “The concept of “false flag operation” is not a very serious one, in my opinion. None of the examples you describe, or any other in history, has even a remote resemblance to the alleged 9/11 conspiracy. I’d suggest that you look at each of them carefully.”
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Chomsky actually dismissed U.S. government complicity in 9/11 a mere four months after the event, and over a year before it was again invoked as a reason to invade Iraq, when he told an audience at a FAIR event at New York’s Town Hall, 22 January 2002, “That’s an internet theory and it’s hopelessly implausible. Hopelessly implausible. So hopelessly implausible I don’t see any point in talking about it,” in response to a question about U.S. government foreknowledge.
Note that Professor Chomsky also vehemently maintains that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in the JFK assassination, even despite polls showing that around 80 per cent of the American public believe otherwise.
Chomsky was presented with convincing evidence for a wider plot by JFK assassination experts as far back as 1969 and according to Selwyn Bromberger, an MIT philosophy professor who had sit in on the discussion, Chomsky indicated that he believed there was a conspiracy, but has failed to voice his conclusion for nearly 40 years.
It’s painfully clear that the likes of Zinn and Chomsky are intellectual cowards who, despite being abundantly aware of the fact that both 9/11 and the JFK assassination represent far wider conspiracies than the official version of events dictates, they are afraid of using their prominent soapboxes to bring either subject to wider attention for fear of whatever reprisals might ensue. As Vincent Salandria enunciates, this makes them worse than disinformation agents.
“I agree that Professor Chomsky is not a CIA agent,” states Salandria, “But with respect to his pronouncements on the JFK assassination he is worse than a CIA agent. Without being an agent, with his enormous prestige as a thinker, as an independent radical, as a courageous man, he does the work of the agency.”
Indeed, at the time of the release of Oliver Stone’s JFK movie, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and another liberal luminary, Alexander Cockburn, went on a seemingly orchestrated media campaign in an attempt to convince the public that the JFK assassination was not a wider conspiracy and also that it didn’t matter even if it was.
“When cornered themselves, Chomsky and Cockburn resort to rhetorical devices like exaggeration, sarcasm, and ridicule. In other words, they resort to propaganda and evasion,” notes one blogger.
The same rhetoric was utilized when questions about 9/11 reached a crescendo. Cockburn, Zinn and Chomsky not only dismiss clear evidence that the official story is demonstrably false, but in addition attempt to generate apathy around the whole issue, classic gatekeeper behavior in preventing the left from becoming active in pursuing the truth about 9/11.
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November 18th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Well I don’t care much for racism, but I have to agree, who gives a shit what this old fart thinks we don’t need that retard. They’re all pandering to the elitists anyway….
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February 19th, 2009 at 12:38 am
let me start out by saying i do believe that these leftist playcate to “special interests” and softball the importance of the 9/11 truth movement probably as disinformants and such, however, zinn is right. its not who cares but it is obvious a crime was perpetrated by the american government, its got the tell tale markings of a false flag action. what is more immediate and continous is the assualt on our civil liberties that has been greatly increased by the subsequent criminal legislation that followed 9/11. we shouldn’t forget and strive for the truth about 9/11 and look for justice, it is an important part in ending the repeating cycle of history, but we can’t spend 40 years in another “who shot kennedy” carrot and stick game ran by the people who know the answers. by obsessing on the past in such a way we ignore what is happening now and only realize it when it reaches the past. we need to press back where we are feeling the most pressure before these facist “homeland security” actions become more embedded in our perceptions of safety then they already are. the days move by too quickly already. if only these “radical thinkers” thought radically. i personally don’t care anymore, i know enough to know who did it, on 9/11 instead of handing out loose change dvds or truth movement pamphlets they should be handing out copies of the patriot or homeland security act, big business financial reports, or war casualty lists. i don’t care if they, zinn and chomsky, honestly buy the official story or not because for the millions who believe and advocate the official story the truth of those acts and the direction of the country are undeniably tied into that day and would be impossible to ignore regardless if a small ban of islamic terorist bombed hit those buildings or a small ban of an elite ruling class of reptiles…j/k..maybe
November 18th, 2008 at 6:16 am
Unbelievable . . . and he was applauded! What’s wrong with people??
November 18th, 2008 at 6:17 am
What are we to expect from the same old leftist idiots?
Paid mouthpieces for the very same cadre of insiders referred to as the ‘effete elite’ by Agnew.
He would have known, fool that he was.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:19 am
My neighbor would cut his balls off if Chomsky told him to. Hero worship is so dangerous, especially now that no one is capable or willing to think for themselves anymore.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:21 am
He knows Zionists were behind the attacks. Being a Jew he does’nt want to talk about it. He wastes no time however making caricatures of Gentiles and Christians as Slave owners and skinheads even though we know European Jews ran the slave trade out of Holland.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:25 am
“Nothing to see here… move along… I don’t care who destroyed the WTC – it was 7 years ago. Not bothered who it was – it’s done and gone… I am not bothered that it’s related to free energy and weather control – it doesn’t affect the bigger issues…”
November 18th, 2008 at 6:31 am
The new defense: “We don’t care, can’t we just move on now (to the next inside job)? Easy for you to say, Zinnsky. Go back to Israel.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:31 am
If someone murdered one of his love ones and the true culprit didn’t get punished do you think he would say I don’t care about it, its in the past.
Justice needs to prevail.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:33 am
KenJ, of coarse they are going to draw attention elsewhere. I would guess the Mosad and CIA pulled it off. Whoever planned it must have a low opinion of American’s intelligence if they thought we wouldn’t catch on to them! Good old Rudy Gulliani, a prosecutor, ordering all the proof to be hauled away? Ya — right! Where in the hell was the F.B.I.?
November 18th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Howard the Left Gatekeeper states: “I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion.”
If the question of whether the official story on 9/11 is a lie and a fraud is so irrelevant, Mr. Zinn, then why does Obama — whom you endorsed — continue to USE that official story as the all-justifying excuse for his geopolitical saber-rattling?
“There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” — Barack H. Obama, Aug. 1, 2008, http://www.barackobama.com/200.....he_w_1.php
Being the intellectual coward he obviously is, it’s a virtual given that Mr. Zinn would rather climb Mount Everest to evade that question than stand still and factually address it.
Enjoy those thirty pieces of silver while you can, Howard!
November 18th, 2008 at 6:39 am
This senile bastard knows who the individual was referring to yet doesn’t have the balls to admit openly that we were mass murdered on 9/11. It isn’t important? Tell that to the face of the families who lost loved ones on that day you fucking spineless coward!
November 18th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Think about what Zinn said, “he doesn’t really think about it – it’s passed.” Howard Zinn wrote a book titled, “The People’s History of the United States – 1492 to Present”. But, he’s not interested in one of the most significant events in all of American history?
Those few words he uttered regarding 9/11 discredit his entire career as a political critic. They expose him as a fraud with an agenda.
One thing that is observable today is that the weak are being pitted against the powerful. The government has abdicated and the politicians have abdicated any responsibility for the pursuit of fairness – pursuit of justice.
If you watch the Congressional hearings, it’s most obvious. They bang the podium and want to get to the bottom of things – but nobody is to blame, nobody is to be punished, we just need to pay money to somebody – usually the perpetrators as in the case of the $700 billion theft from the U.S. Treasury.
The truth is that the Congress – both left and right – are aiding and abetting the demise of our nation – the elimination of our nation-state. I have no doubt they know who was responsible for 9/11 but it was part of the game plan to break the nation. So was the dot.con bubble and so is this subprime meltdown. And nobody will be blamed except maybe one or two people – if that, will go to jail.
The only thing that is decent about this country today are the powerless who are fighting like David against Goliath to restore some credibility and integrity back to the American government. We are fighting a losing battle I’m afraid. And that makes me so very sad to have to say. Nevertheless, I will fight on.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:47 am
zinn is a moron !!!!!!!!!! calling the 911 TRUTH moverment a “diversion”, “internet theory”. i think watson wrapped it up when he labeled zinn an “intellectual coward” !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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November 18th, 2008 at 6:49 am
I’d love to smack Noam Chomsky in the face and watch him cry and bleed like the little bitch he is.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:52 am
AND I’M SURE NO ONE WILL CARE IF HE GETS SHOT IN THE HEAD.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:59 am
When so called intellectuals dismiss something so vital to history and the path we’ve taken since 9/11/2001, they are no longer intellectuals. They become like a lot of the American ignorant on both the left and right: biased cowards afraid to use their platform as renown scholars to make people question. That’s what a true intellectual does, he/she questions false assumptions no matter the risk. The Watson brothers can write critically.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:00 am
World renowned peace activist. No Just another Goverment Shill. He is here to Divide Us.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Noam Chomsky is an outstanding truth teller and peace activist, renowned for his work of exposing the corporate monopoly that runs this country. Do NOT try and write him off as some “liberal gatekeeper”, he has more integraty than all of you combined.
What Chomsky ment with the “Who Cares” comment sourround 9/11 was, the US has committed WORSE atrocities than 9/11 – Nicuragua, El Salvador, Romania, Chile, etc etc.
“liberal gatekeeper” – you didn’t even get his political belief right, “liberal”?
Jesus christ, stop this nonsense.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:04 am
I wouldn’t call it intellectual cowardice, more like an intellectual superiority complex, particularly when it comes to government. The government is filled with idiots so such an event is a priori impossible for such idiots to pull off, hence it happened exactly as we’ve been told. Many libertarians are this way, too. Not all, but some.
But still, this event is the lynchpin for everything these people are supposedly working against, and they brush the question off so casually. Amazing.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:06 am
i hate these people!!!
November 18th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Howard the Coward …how can you say that the possibility of 911 being an inside job does not matter when you say its the consequenses that matter?
THAT IS A TOTAL CONTRADICTION AND THE PEOPLE APPLAUD. ABSOLUTE IDIOTS!!
If 911 was not an inside job it would not have happened.
There would be no consequenses as a result.
With age comes wisdom or is it FEAR.
Howard your ICEBOX is awaiting and as we have promised you too will live forever without the CONSEQUENCES OF HELL.
911 is such a powerful tool to wake the people that it should NEVER be given up on untill the case is busted.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:09 am
“Note that Professor Chomsky also vehemently maintains that Lee Harvey Oswald was the long gunman in the JFK assassination, even despite polls showing that around 80 per cent of the American public believe otherwise”
- Haha, are you kidding me? SO WHAT??!?!
He’s not allowed to think differently than you, because then he’s a “gatekeeper”
Oh yes, the man who been very critical of the Israeli invasion, and has on numerous accounts debated their aggresive foreign policy, calling it everything from illegal to horrific.
But yes, he has a different idea about the JFK assasination, so he’s a “Evil zionit NWO jew gatekeeper”. By god, read some Chomsky before you little easy impressionable kids blindly believe this nonsense.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:09 am
So much for calling himself a Historian LOL, journalist who now engage in Propagandizing and Historians who aren’t concerned with the justification use for everything that has lead us here today. 911 is being used to rape both us and our Country, and people applaud him for his disgusting comments. He is not concerned with the REASON for what is happening today, only how to deal with it. Let’s go back and pinpoint who the real enemy are, then remove them, make them Accountable, with prejudice, not to mention unite a Nation in a common cause. Unfortunately for us, Common Sense is not nearly as common as one might think. WOW!!
November 18th, 2008 at 7:11 am
#Wilbor – Alright, present some facts.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Folks, if he doesn’t care, then he is simply too old to understand any longer what it would mean that the Feds attacked us. Feel sorry for the old bastard, he’s lost his mind.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Look at it this way. The perpetrators of 911 WILL have their day on the gallows IF one thing happens. Bringing the NWO to a grinding halt. There are far too many people in government right now who are complicit, complacent and accomplices to the raping of the people. We will NEVER get the puppets on the stage to prosecute themselves. Finding out what caliber of bullet shot you while you bleed to death is idiotic. Fuck…we KNOW who shot us. Stop the bastards from shooting us again. Debating with those on the world stage to change the direction of the play simply won’t work. First, you stop the play. THEN YOU KICK THE ASSES OF THE FORMER PLAYERS SO THAT THEY NEVER ACT AGAIN.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:26 am
You don’t care if 9/11 was in inside job? We are in 2 wars, under martial law and under 2, yes 2 PATRIOT acts that are about as patriotic as Putin’s underwear. The fact that 9/11 was in inside job puts in the same class as germany circa the Hitler era, maybe worse. How can this have zero relevancy? The country is in shambles due to 2 over stretched wars and a failing economy that can not sustain itself due to the direct relationship with 9/11 and its aftermath and it “doesn’t matter”. Wake up America, remember what our country was like pre-9/11 and know you and yours will never rise again, serf.
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November 18th, 2008 at 7:31 am
27 MAR Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Folks, if he doesn’t care, then he is simply too old to understand any longer what it would mean that the Feds attacked us. Feel sorry for the old bastard, he’s lost his mind.
BOLLOCKS THE NWO IS FULL OF THESE BASTARDS. Do they care about our old that will be raped of there pensions savings and assets. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!11
Get a grip Mar.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Arh great, another one that does NOT listen.
The point Chomsky made was that the things that happend on 9/11 alone, does not “matter” compared to the former US atrocities, Pinochet in Chile, Suharto in Indonesia, etc etc.
He has SEVERAL times been very critical of the path that the US has been taking since 9/11, calling the Iraq war a war crime, etc etc. But of course you all take it out of context, otherwise it wouldn’t match your loony idea of “gatekeeper”. It might have been a rather unlucky statement, but “gatekeeper”?. I can do nothing but laugh at this
November 18th, 2008 at 7:37 am
now, im a huge fan of zinn. people’s history of the united states was my bible for 2 years when debating early american politics. now when he says things like “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion from what we really have to do,” he’s right. you all devote so much time and effort to 9/11 when really, by now no one cares. most people accept that the official story isnt true. there are more pressing matters to deal with. use 9/11 as a steping stone, not as ur bible. there are atrosities every day. dont fall back on the easy out. show the fascism in everyday life.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:39 am
How come anyone to say such as Howard Zinn, this is total ignorancy if not else. The entire world in many aspects had changed and the solution’s key are the 9.11 truthful people who are exposing those who were involved in it. Howard Zinn really needs to watch the documentary, Fabled enemies, by jason Bermas.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:47 am
If Chomsky is a gatekeeper – then Jones is an inefffective, self-promoting, evangelising throwback.
Constantly screaming about injustice, but never saying what must be said.. never calling for what must truly be called for.. Promoting a neutral pacifist stance against a predatory enemy, while peddling website subscriptions, DVDs, books and of course the gold that pays for his bandwidth.
God-fearing progressives – does anyone else see a paradox here??
Truth is, I believe neither character assaination to be true. Surely attacking other political commentators is playing right into the hands of the shadowy elite no?
November 18th, 2008 at 7:54 am
I think people in the Truth movement should email both Zinn and Chomsky and convey their outrage at their cavalier dismissal of the murders of almost 3,000 people on 9/11. The peace movement of the 60’s and 70’s were rightly outraged by the deaths of four students at Kent State University but 3,000 killed on 9/11? ah, that’s just water under the bridge, eh? Nothing to get too upset about! What a bunch of self-righteous hypocrits!
November 18th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Guys! notice when someone speaks to media/government hacks about Sept 11/01 being an inside job—they are just etching to accuse us as anti-semitism. That should tell you something–they know who done the deed-Israel.On Sept 10/01. it was annnounced that $2.3 trillion was missing from the military budget—no it was not–Israel got it–for 911 attacks.
Just imagine if these zionist came out and said–Jews planned it,paid for it , implamented and hide all the facts connecting the Jews in both the parties? You guessed–Israel will be finished and riots on the streets and not enough lamp posts to hide the scums in Washington. CIA/FBI is packed with MOSSAD agents–nothing will change.
Here is a sad note–Emanual Rayham’s brother isa hollywood agent for actors–only accepts Jews. One of his contracts is Michical Moore–another stinker.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:03 am
what Zinn is really trying to say is “shut up!!! stop bothering me about this crap!!! leave me alone!!”
america isnt interested in your conspiracy theories. give it a rest folks.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:04 am
unite or die.
we, the people, vastly outnumber the elite. they use strategies of divide and conquer to keep us demoralized and cowed.
zinn, chomsky, and cockburn are eggheads, dancing around the outskirts of serious issues trying to gain favor and tweak noses. but they are “institutions” and they can be subverted. they will dance for ANYONE who will praise them and give them candy. use them.
study the zionists. use their tactics against them. wage war by deception.
unite or die.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Zinn and the left have turned away from the best opportunity they will ever see again….the chance to expose the war machine in all its infamy. Perhaps they don’t want to be out of job….no war, no peace activists. Perhaps even more important to the left…..do not expose the evil that accompanies a large government. To say determining who commited 9/11 is not important is the height of stupidity. The war on terror continues to rob us of our Constitution and economy. We are descending into an Orwellian nightmare because of it. Nothing could be more relevant than exposing this lie. This is what happens after a few generations of government schools.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:13 am
To all the anti-semites here – Bob Dylan is a jew – think about that next time you listen to ‘Masters of War’
November 18th, 2008 at 8:17 am
These are worse criminals than the individuals who fell for the lie and positioned themselves to become nazi’s. You’re up against the orchestrator’s themselves. God doesn’t need a federal case to occur in order to expose and judge the evil itself. ‘ALL THINGS HIDDEN COMES TO THE LIGHT.’ No amount of darkness can overshadow truth.
9/11 petrifies these people. You don’t continue to hack systems, override common privacy laws, poison the air, food and water unless you’re paranoid yourself, with something to hide, and belong to a radical hidden agenda. Their only hope is ‘aggression’ and ‘intimidation’ to pull it off. 9/11 backfired because it ‘revealed’ history to its fullest.
They’re guilty, they’re murderers, they’ve committed treason, espionage, grand theft, broke international laws, create their own laws to do it, then pardon their crimes, convincing themselves that now no judgment whatsoever will ever occur. As if even the one who owned all the money in the world can control the Master Designer Himself.
You gotta feel sorry for these people. Nevertheless, they’re fooling themselves into the pit they planned for many others. THE LORD TURNS TOPSY TURVY THE PLANS OF THE WICKED. HE LAUGHS BECAUSE HE SEES THE EVIL MAN’S DAY IS COMING. (Old Testament Scriptures) No HEAD has ever risen above His. It’s never happened and it never will. His delay of judgment, throughout the years, wasn’t a conspiracy as to whether or not ‘religion’ is real, but God’s ‘grace’ in desiring for them to repent. The horrible crimes have only exacerbated instead. God has now washed His hands with them. Very, very serious position.
Evil people are weak – it’s easy to be evil, but oh the consequences!
November 18th, 2008 at 8:18 am
If someone has any actual proof – one piece of scientifically proven piece of evidence – they have not to date produced anything. Theories that have more holes than Swiss cheese being proffered by weak minds like democrats – there is more physical artefacts to prove Jesus was god or that UFOs are landing i.e. ZERO!
Get jobs people – Pray that we can defeat the evil of terror like we are destroying drugs!
let us not quibble over details and some discrepancies with the Executive office – these things happen in War. Let us rather huddle together and pray that if we join and increase our efforts the War on Terror will become even half as successful as our War on Drugs.
Move on folks …..
Let us move on from these mean spirited attacks against what historians will no doubt call a hero of the state. Mr. Rove and the President need our Support in these trying times. Huddling together in prayer will go a long way to healing Amerika.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:20 am
32 Michael Chertoff Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Michael Chertoff Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Chompsky and Zinn are right, it doesn’t matter who did 9/11. And even if the government
did it, you 9/11 truther cowards are powerless to stop it! That’s why we’ve got FEMA camps for you morons.
I love these cowards that come on here pretending to disagree.
Look buddy you are on this site, Your name and number is black listed as a result.
Why dont you and others just be honest about it you are on this site to be informed so join the frontline and add to this info.
Disagreeing wont get you off the hook!! YOU ARE ON THIS SITE PERIOD,
YOU ARE AS GUILTY AS WE ARE.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Professor Chomsky does know or rather care about issues of false flag. Leave him behind and let’s get back to work.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:24 am
way to stand up for your hero rio. It just amazes me how many people are mezmerized by the likes of chumpsky. He can think whatever he wants about isreal, but 911, and the jfk assasination were monumental events in the destruction of his own country. I suppose you think jon stewarts daily show is a legitimate news program too huh?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:29 am
People like Chomsky and Zinn are the biggest of traitors. People who are easily intelligent enough to know far better. They are accessories to murder to be spouting the garbage that they say. “Who cares if 9/11 was an inside job?” What kind of intellectual circles does that bullshit work? Who the hell does that actually make sense to? Deplorable… It’s one thing to be ignorant enough to go with the official story, it’s another all together to say “who cares?”. I hope that assholes like this end up sweeping floors for a living when this comes out – that’d be too good for them too. I would tend to think that they are most likely connected to the CIA or some other group to be so obviously spouting this dis-info.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Logic god: another coward who refuses to pull head out of sand- the only thing you got right was the spelling of Amerika
Wake up
November 18th, 2008 at 8:38 am
If questioning the motives of Israel makes me an ‘anti-semite’, then I stand guilty as charged. Israel spies on the U.S. just as much, if not more than Russia does. After all, how do you think Israel became a nuclear power?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:40 am
“It’s painfully clear that the likes of Zinn and Chomsky are intellectual cowards who, despite being abundantly aware of the fact that both 9/11 and the JFK assassination represent far wider conspiracies than the official version of events dictates, they are afraid of using their prominent soapboxes to bring either subject to wider attention for fear of whatever reprisals might ensue.”
Is it “painfully clear”? Are they “cowards”? Could there be more loaded language in this piece? Probably not. Here’s more classic Alex Jones “if they don’t agree with our version of events, we attack their character” bullshit. I’m not disagreeing with 9/11, or the Kennedy assassination (why that is brought into this article I’m not sure; I’m all for digression, unless it’s being used to attack someone on an essentially unrelated point), but to openly dismiss Zinn as a “coward” and his fans as “fawning army of left-wing sycophants” is way, way out of line. So the man has done no good work in his life because he doesn’t agree with you? PEOPLE’S HISTORY OF THE US is null & void because he’s not on your team? How backwards is that? It’s clear, reading this site & following Alex for awhile now that Zinn’s revisionist history definitely factors in to Alex’s perspective. But we’re writing him off because he disagrees with you? What’s that say?
Could you be more Republican about things? “They disagree with us, so we will dismiss them, any good work or ideas they’ve ever had & we’ll semar ‘em real good!” That’s so backwards & non-productive it’s ridiculous. So by that logic I can say PJ Watson is a hyperbolic spineless limey propagandist & Alex is a Repbulican blowhard who lacks the real courage of his convictions & has to have his minion limey write his copy? Because I just did. Please reign in this garbage writing & stick to relevant issues. This is nothing but an attack piece. Zinn doesn’t agree with you, Chomsky doesn’t agree with you– who cares? How does that impact your movement? Chomsky has so many contradictions & probelms in his rhetoric that he’s an easy target without the vitriol & hyperbole. & Zinn– how many of your readers do you actually believe know his work outside your mentioning of it here?
I agree with you Alex on much of the 9/11 truth issue, but this is one of the most spineless articles I’ve ever read on here. It’s too bad Zinn’s a pacifist because really he should kick your asses! Not that Alex would do anything about it. All we here on this site is how the sky is falling, the NWO is coming, but what does he do? Does he invoke his 2nd Amendment right? Do any of the rest of you? & I’m not talking gun ownership. I’m talking about what the 2nd Amendment really states. Alex & PJ & so many readers on here talk a big game & run their mouths ad nauseum, especially when a dissenting voice appears in an article or a comment. Real American people! We’re allowed to disagree with each other, unless Alex is more supportive of a totalitarian state than he leads us to believe, and what pundit wouldn’t be? It’s in their best interests to always be right & to shout down other opinion, even at the expense of offering their audiences more perspective. I mean god forbid Alex lets his audience make up their own minds about things! I mean, I know he pretends to, but if he lets you make up your own mind, what’s he have left to do??
Shabby shabby work, fellas, and totally contradictory to what you claim to be about. I’m mean, this is the best you’ve got? I’ll tell you, PJ & Alex– if you’re so certain & your evidence is so overwhelming, why don’t you write a book? You can self-publish, just like you self-produce your films & self-publish your “news” reports & self-broadcast your radio show? I’m just assuming you can’t find an independent publisher for your work, because if you could, wouldn’t you? Might that not add some credibility to the cause & up the profile, bring more people into the 9/11 truth movement? Perhaps most stations/publishers aren’t interested? Or are you more worried about your profit margin than your credibility, so you keep everything in house? Something for your readers/viewers/listeners to consider…
November 18th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Look they are historians. They are ok talking about government history when the government has perpetrated events that are no longer relevant today. But the 9/11 event is still poignant, it is still having repercussions, it is still an event that if brought out into the truth today would cause massive problems for the US around the world. It is not yet an event that can be placed into the history books as a false flag operation without causing devastating consequences to the American empire. That is the reason why this guy Zinn, Chomsky and many others choose to ignore it. They know the truth but to admit would be disastrous for America.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Fact: It was transparently obvious to anyone with more than 2 braincells that US Gov had a hand in 9/11 on day one. I think you will find it is Noam Chomsky who has left you all behind.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:44 am
@Logic God
I hope u r ironic my good friend or the psychotic mist is thick in ur parts of reality.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I’m sorry, but for Chomsky to say, and some of the other idiots who’ve posted on here to say that -”who cares if 9/11 was an inside job, there are more pressing matters at hand”, well if that isn’t just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, I don’t know what is. The government attacks it’s own people to enable a worldwide agenda, but there are more pressing things to attend to? Sorry, that is absolute bullshit. There are too many people out there in positions of influence who are regularly trying to say that black is white and white is black, going against any modicum of common sense. Time for people to wake up and realize that they are being decieved big-time. Guys like this are trying to divert attention from the truth of what’s going on.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:49 am
If 911 doesn’t matter, then nothing does. I have clever friends that peddle this kind of left wing bullshit, as if there is a left and right these days. Muppets!
November 18th, 2008 at 8:52 am
This is really sad to see Howard Zinn is such a coward. I liked People’s History of the United States.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:55 am
I see where they are comming from the likes of chomsky…whats the point of 911 they did it and got away with it…you can cry a bleat and show all the evidence but no one is going to do anything about it…so who cares if it was an inside job?
November 18th, 2008 at 8:55 am
They both worship government (their only problem revolves around who controls it.) They realize something this horrendous could discredit the very concept of government. (-Consider what the sex abuse scandals did to the image of the Catholic church.) Just like the high-ranking priests who covered up sexual abuse in the church, they LIE to “protect the institution.” They’re afraid of the damage the truth would do. Anything to protect their “god” (government.)
November 18th, 2008 at 8:56 am
…from the article…..
“Zinn said he was skeptical of the official story but then stated, “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion from what we really have to do,” adding that debating who was behind 9/11, “gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation”.”
He says debating who was behind 9/11 gets in the way of the immediate situation. NO, finding out who was behind 9/11 helps solve the immediate situation(s).
Come on people, less talkin’ more action. I’m ready. Just waiting on some other people willing to join me. We just need enough to take over the White House, Pentagon and a few other buildings simultaneously. What the hell would they do if a few hundred thousand armed citizens suddenly showed up to take over? NOTHING. What are they going to do, bomb their own buildings while their own officials are held hostage in them? NO, I don’t think so.
Let’s go you bunch of pussies, time to take action.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:57 am
lol. Look I love the 9/11 truth movement I really do. They have brought to the attention of many millions of people around the world the truth about 9/11. But I don’t think the people that want to bring the government to account on this issue truly understand what it would mean for America. No one would ever trust America again. America would be finished. They don’t trust you now but if they had proof and the American government and the people that perpetrated these attacks were held accountable America would be finished. People around the world would not congratulate you for bringing your government down. They would ostracise you from the international community because they know that the people that really control your nation would still be running the show and would immmediately install people of similar ilk to take over the government and continue on with the job in hand. All you would be doing is destroying your nation. I am happy with that because I hate the fucking Americans and they need taking down a few thousand pegs, it’s been a long time coming, but I am just trying to point out why these guys Zinn and Chomsky have a vested interest in not seeing this happen. They earn a living off doing what they love in a country where they believe if the truth came out about 9/11 that would all cease. They are scum. There is not two ways about it.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:59 am
I bought “People’s History of the United States,” and frankly, I’m disappointed. Howard Zinn has shown himself to be a tired old man, whose days of fighting the “powers that be,” are over.
Obviously, these guys, Chomsky and Zinn, are no longer relevant. They’re ready for the old folks home. The fight in them has left the building.
The question now is, “Who’s going to pick up the torch?”
November 18th, 2008 at 8:59 am
This is HORSESHIT ZINN…
I would not be talking about the desecration of liberties by this criminal government if it wasnt for 9/11. Before 2005 I was a fan of Bush, I voted for him in 2004. Loose Change and multiple books, the best being “the terror timeline” and “crossing the rubicon,” changed my mind. Now I rally around the notion of truth and justice FOR ALL, NOT for some of us. Without the 9/11 truth movement, i would have been voting for mccain and arguing for the continuing occupation of iraq, and i would have called ron paul rediculous (minus his free market ideas, which are just as true as before i knew the truth, or more accurately the questions regarding 9/11).
There is no excuse for this. As thinkers chomsky and zinn have an obligation to seek out the truth about such a momentous event in our history. They disrespect the dead when they act like this. I hope they enjoy their nightmares and when they die and find everything out about this world may they rest in peace knowing they could have served humanity instead of leading it astray.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Don’t worry y’all. Soon you will have another atrocity to mull over meaninglessly for 7 years.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:02 am
To most of those that have commented here: Resorting to stereotypical images and racial profiling does nothing bolster the logic of your argument. Debate the information that the article presents and something more productive will come from the exchange of ideas.
Zinn and Chomsky are far from perfect, as we all are. However, I must say that most of the logic in their arguments is valid. In the case of Zinn in this article, I have thought long and hard about these issues and overall, I agree with him.
I do think it is plausible that elements of our government were complicit in 911. But as of this moment we know, without a doubt that elements in our government were provably complicit in starting a war under false pretenses. These are quite possibly the same elements. I know, without a doubt, that these elements used 911 as the reason for furthering a global empire, particularly access to oil. These are criminal offences that are currently provable and prosecutable. Therefore, I believe it to be most prudent to pursue prosecution of these crimes. Consciousness raising on these crimes would be more productive and creating accountability and positive results.
An example might be the prosecution of a crime boss for crimes you can prove he is guilty of, even thought you know he may be guilty of many others.
That being said, I do not think it a waste of time to pursue the disclosure of truth about the 911 attacks. I think this is very important indeed, however, I think it is more productive to pursue the prosecution of the guilty for the crimes we can currently prove guilt for.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:02 am
This is not a surprise…
These men have their comp lives…
They will not do anything that may compromise that…
Activists once…
Patriots once…
I respect these men, their intellect, their initial intestinal fortitude…
Now they are simply just OLD men…
A sure sign of age, gray hair, a bit of a spread, and FEET OF CLAY…
And I’m not sure why we are not exploring the SEC charges that just came up against Marc Cuban…
Mr. Cuban publicly mentioned his doubts about the official story of 9/11…
He went so far as to attempt to get Loose Change into theaters across America…
Now if you are a billionaire, you ARE part of the CLUB…
If you don’t go along with the CLUB agenda, you will be smeared…
You will be brought to heel…
That’s how this works…
The more you HAVE, the more you have to LOSE…
No one wants to have everything they’ve worked for taken from them…
We are all like this, from the richest to the poorest, we don’t want to lose what we have, and if shutting your mouth will make sure that you keep what you have…you will SHUT YOUR MOUTH…
November 18th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Revolution 2.0 is a plant…nice try, though, buddy.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:07 am
what happened to the truth shall set you free. these lies are destroying us. you think their worried about what it will do to america. they want to start over with the same lies and even more lies. their arrogance tells you exactly what they think of us americans and yet people esp. the school system expect our kids to be patriotic towards their country and proud to be an american. do something to make our kids proud and hold these people accountable!
November 18th, 2008 at 9:10 am
To RC- It’s not that Zinn simply disagrees, or has a “different perspective” or a “differing opinion.” The fact is the man said he did not care about who was responsible. He feels this issue is no longer relevant. I don’t care WHAT good work he has done in the past, because comments like “who cares? let it go” simply won’t fly. The state of the world we live in today is a DIRECT result of 9/11. Despite your best arguments, you cannot change Zinn’s cowardly answer. He knows but he does not care. . .
Judging from the remainder of your reply, it seems to me like you get a real boner from bashing the producers of this website, which you and I and others fawn over. Most of Alex Jones and Co.’s ENTIRE CASE is based around 9/11 being a government fraud. So obviously they won’t write a puff piece about a man who professes to a contradictory viewpoint. I think as far as Alex is concerned, if you are presented with truth (albeit as HE sees it) and STILL REJECT it. . . well that’s blasphemous. 9/11 blasphemy.
Next you go on and on about how Alex and Co. are cowards or “blowhards” because they don’t take up arms and form some sort of militia?? Are you serious RC?? Check the website you’re on, pal. . .you’re on the INFOWARS NETWORK. Information is the name of the game. Any sort of violent uprising the likes of what you’re suggesting would lead to their arrest and that would strike a huge blow to the 9/11 truth movement.
So old man Zinn did some decent work back in his heyday? He is confused, delusional, and cowardly if he thinks one of the most significant events in all of American history is “no longer relevant.”
November 18th, 2008 at 9:10 am
fuck these sellouts
November 18th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Quite the progression:
from “completely implausible” to “I don’t care if it was an inside job”.
That just about confirms it. Now what?
November 18th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Any JEW (Chompsky & Zinn) that refuse to stand against Zionism, and therefore any/all FALSE FLAG attacks aimed at the U.S., are precisely who and what they are: deniers of the true holocaust against Americans, since 1945 and the STATE OF ISRAEL as the U.S. defacto ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Gatekeepers is far too judicial a word for these two who can be labeled “duel citizens?” Just wondering where their true loyalty is – dancing with the devil changes not the devil, but the one who thinks that they can dance with evil and not be poisoned is a moron at best and simply brain dead. Zombies: Zinn and Chomsky.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Let me guess. Mr. Zinn packs two passports too?
November 18th, 2008 at 9:24 am
All this just goes to confirm my suspicions about the demographic of Alex Jones. Appealing to the mindless masses – dragging them along by the scruff of the neck intellectually. While of course offering a nice array of products for purchase.
How many DVDs, books and websites does it take to say ‘Time for heads on poles’?
November 18th, 2008 at 9:26 am
If hes the peace activist that he claims to be hes defeating his own philosophy.You can not bring about peace if you allow criminals like Bush to commit the crimes that perpetuate war.Howard Zinn is giving these war mongers a blank check to repeat there crimes over again without the fear of prosecution.For 8 years a criminal that calls himself president has committed crime after crime without the fear of prosecution for the simple reason that the senate and congress are more interested in protecting there jobs then doing the job they were elected to do.The Howard Zinn’s and the rest of his kind hide behind a false image because they do not have the balls to come out and state there true feelings .They prefer to be provocateurs and instigators ,but there not fooling anyone ,the thinking people know what they are and who they are………………………………………………………………………………
November 18th, 2008 at 9:27 am
To Rio and RC: Your thoughts are illuminating and your logic is solid.
Thank you for contributing your well-reasoned ideas to the fray.
Justice is of the utmost importance! But as any great general will tell you, choose your battles wisely. The battles you can win should be the battles of your own choosing and may result in the justice you seek.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I’m so disheartened by Howard Zinn’s comments. I no longer respect his views.
The reason our country is in such dire straits is because alot of well known war protesters just don’t give a shit about the past.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Oh good – let’s offer a ’solution’ – that doesn’t really fix any problems. But it’s still a solution! Kinda like… my car won’t start, so let’s fix the dryer. Car still won’t start, but we did have a solution – it doesn’t matter if it actually addresses the core issue or fixes the problem at hand.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Anti-Semites? Stop already with the labels. If Zinn was from France, would it be said that we are anti-french? And why is it the Jewish have a nice label for people that don’t like Jews? How is it they are the only race that made up a label to protect them? How is it the Jewish Lobby are the ones writing many of our laws and especially the Hate Crimes Bill? Don’t believe in the Holocaust, an arrestable offense. How many others that were not Jewish got killed by Hitler? Why the big deal over Jews? Are they the only ones that mattered?
I don’t care who you are, what you are, what color, age. or Religion. If you are doing the Country and World wrong then you are a bad person.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:37 am
The reason why Jones doesn’t want a revolution.
Cus when the smoke settles, and blood is washed away, he’ll have to find another job.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Well, for everyone’s consideration I offer the following.
The fact that 9/11 was an inside job hasn’t made one iota’s difference. Has the Patriot Act (both I and II) been repealed? How about secret “renditions”? War in Iraq over? Afghanistan?
My, how ineffectual the “9/11 Truth Movement” is. And that IS the reality.
And Obama? Joe Biden is going to be President. Any idiot knows Obama will be pushing daisies before his 4 year term over. And that’s AFTER he does exactly what the moneyed global plutocrats make him do.
Think about it. Can, say, 5 billion cash get a US president asssasinated? How about 50 billion?
Make it a hundred.
And where will they get the money? They’ll print it, geniuses.
Remember, the Pentagon cannot account for TWO TRILLION dollars missing.
Do ME a favor. Stop being stupid fools and realize who your master really is. It is on your money. “In God We Trust”.
Money IS GOD.
And they PRINT GOD everyday.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:47 am
he doesn’t care about 9?11 being an inside job,,, because he never lost his kids in that incident…
maybe he will care when cia laden bomb again and his family are killed…
November 18th, 2008 at 9:56 am
What Zinn and Chomsky are trying to get at with these type of comments are twofold. 1. They’re of the opinion that even without the possibility that the US orchestrated 9/11 the US has already committed such criminal actions around the globe for so long that this would simply be another drop in a bucket that’s already filled to the brim and needs to be dealt with. 2. They’re suggesting that there are more positive ways to change the world for the better than concentrating on prosecuting past crimes. While you might not agree with either point, or just one of them, to insinuate that these types of comments make them part of the NWO agenda or “controlled assets” is absurd. They’re on the same side as all of us.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Chomsky and Zimm have rendered themselves irrelevant. They need to realize they are now “old and in the way” and should stay out of the way of public and social progress. It is a disgrace to see them peddle their spineless, self-preservation fear-based falsehoods thinly veiled as intellectualism. They are the blind attempting to lead the sighted and have no use in our public dialog anymore. They can spin their yearns in the old folks home with the rest of the psychologically degrading Alzheimers patients. Period.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:01 am
hahahahahahha
GAWD BLESS HOWARD ZINN!!!
You monkeys on here don’t get it, do you? Morons.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:03 am
It is ESSENTIAL to understand the major events that happened in history in order to properly engage the “immediate situation”. There is NO way to obtain JUSTICE, unless you know just WHOM the TRUE criminals are!!! The SAME criminals that were involved with the JFK assassination, Gulf of Tonkin, Cuban missile crisis, and the Vietnam War, at least those whom are still living. The SAME criminals were also involved in the Oklahoma bombing, as well as, WACO, Persian Gulf War, let’s say ALL WARS, as well as bombings around the globe, AND the events on 9/11. Zinn and it looks like Viggo Mortensen there are all extremely intelligent individuals, it does not take much to look into all of this. I do NOT understand how they can so easily dismiss what is RIGHT in front of their faces, yet they are NOT able to see it. Just the the rest of the sheeple. It is truly a shame indeed! If we all don’t figure this out QUICK, we will be facing yet another holocaust here in this Country! Their plan is set in the Georgia Guide Stones! Our plan must be set in the people themselves, to STOP TYRANNY!!! We MUST all be on the SAME PAGE! It does NOT matter what your financial status is, or your race, or if you are disabled, or your age, etc. We are all in the same boat and the Titanic is sinking FAST people! Pull your heads out of your ASSES guys!!! We cannot let this ship go down!!! MAYDAY!!! MAYDAY!!! MAYDAY!!!
November 18th, 2008 at 10:10 am
These people are only showing their TRUE COLORS. They do NOT care about “Peace, Truth, Justice or even Anti war”, these are nothing more than PUPPETS put in place to keep those who have awaken herded into a NO MANS LAND of protests.
I am not saying protests are not good, but these FAKE and CONTROLLED protests by people who CLAIM to be on their side like Chumpsky, Zinn and others are STAGE PUPPETS.
These guys change NOTHING, they just give endless speeches and pretend to be fighting for a cause, when in truth they are PAID SHILLS.
These guys are the Jim Jones’s of the anti-war movement. They are getting you all to DRINK THE POISONED KOOLAIDE.
Have you ever noticed that most of these “anti-war” protesters have NO IDEA what is REALLY going on in the world. Most are ONE WORLDERS, hate ALL things religious and if you dig deep enough into many of them you will find they are FUNDED by MANY NEW WORLD ORDER groups.
The ONLY legitimate protest group out there are those who are DEMANDING 911 be investigated. Why is that? That is because they know that unless 911 is shown for what it TRULY WAS and IS, the wars will not stop, liberties will not be restored and the NWO will continue on with its plan.
Exposing 911 exposes FAR MORE than just what happened on that day, it EXPOSES the WHOLE NWO SCHEME and that is why CHUMPSKY, ZINN and the other STAGE PUPPETS do NOT CARE about it, and that is why the NWO does not want it exposed.
Now that does not mean everyone in the 911 movement are legit, there are PAID SHILLS that have made their way in there or those who have just been PAID OFF to keep up the appearance and gather information for their Masters, so we must always keep on guard but the good news is that there is NO real leader of it and that is how it should be.
We do not need a “LEADER”, we just need MANY VOICES demanding the truth and NEVER giving up or buying into the HERDING such people like CHUMPSKY, ZINN and other PAID LIARS try and feed us.
Remember, EXPOSING 911, EXPOSES 7/7 and the WHOLE BALL OF WAX and all of these PAID LIARS know it, which is why they want it to STOPPED!
The NWO ALWAYS plays both sides and ALWAYS infiltrates EVERY group in order to control it and to lead the Sheep into the direction which ALWAYS suits THEIR plans, so ANYONE who leads ANY group in the direction of the NWO is ALWAYS part of the NWO plan, ALWAYS, no matter how they seem to be or what they promise or how “logical they sound.
The New World Order wants a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, RELIGION, MONETARY SYSTEM etc so ANYONE who leads you into ANY of these things IS PART OF THE NWO!!
Do NOT be FOOLED by their RHETORIC!
November 18th, 2008 at 10:11 am
why don’t you watch the video??????
he says we need to deal with the CONSEQUENCES – the course Bushco put America on.
Zinn is not “disdainful and apathetic” as prisonplanet claim. Nor does it “belittle the deaths of around 2,000 Americans, along with hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis” as Prisonplanet falsely claim.
wake up morons.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Stupid stupid goys. You don’t realize we were Chosen to rule? The Holy Talmud
says that Goys are to be considered as animals. Should we let animals rule?
No, we have been chosen to govern, and you can either accept this or face the coming consequences. Arabs did 911 and yet you look to your superiors as your enemies?
Stupid stupid goyim, when will you learn?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:13 am
ladypitbull-moron says: The SAME criminals that were involved with the JFK assassination, Gulf of Tonkin, Cuban missile crisis, and the Vietnam War
hahahahahahhaha
YOu know who killed JFK now huh? got it in black and white have you? Proof huh? Hey – maybe you can give that proof to AJ – he can make another video about it and you morons can buy it – to help fight the NWO, of course.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:14 am
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November 18th, 2008 at 10:16 am
morons
November 18th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Wow! – So many people are so in denial…
Chomsky, Zinn, et al have there place in the fight – just like Ken Kesey and Jack Kerouac did before them, but this Hero worship is unbelivable.
These men have faults – and much like the famous Sheen family – they are afraid to take on uncomfortable issues which may lead them to lose money or social standing – which they very much currently enjoy.
Turns out that Rosie O’Donell was 10x the patriot that these cowards will ever be – who would have believed it!?
But she certainly paid the price for it!
“All it takes for ecil to trimuph is for good men to do nothing”
Those words are more poignant today then ever before – as we rush headlong into the Scientific Dystopia the world is headed into.
Fortunately – those of us with much less to lose – have not given up the good fight!
November 18th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Man,
These people are not saying that 9/11 isn’t important, what they are saying is that everyone is wasting their time, effort, and energy into the investigation of WHO.. That’s not important. If the staff at prison planet would actually take the time to read Zinn or Chomsky, they would understand what they are saying. Who did it is not important any more. In fact, the right and those that are in control WANT us to argue and waste time investigating who actually did it. In the end, that’s not important. What is important, however, is what they did with it. They took 9/11 and changed the face of war, changed the face of domestic security. THAT’S whats important. What Zinn and Chomsky (and the zionist ‘left’, LOL) are saying, is that our focus should be on the effects of 9/11, not the cause. its a wasted focus trying to figure out who did it. WHO CARES! STOP WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH IT.
Morons. I cant help but feel like Infowars/prisonplanet and all its subsidiaries are nothing more than a stark contrast to NBC. Come on guys. Get some credibility.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:19 am
At first, it was tempting to toss Chomsky and Zinn over this. I have many of their books and multi-media files. But, that would be the “baby with the bath water”. We have much to learn from both of them, as long as we keep in mind their fallibility. There are many respected pundits who still belive in peak oil and global warming. The worrisome thing for now, aside from the economic collapse, is how long it will take for the Left to realize that they’ve been “had” by Obama/Biden…
November 18th, 2008 at 10:22 am
OBAMA WILL SAVE US!! THE KOOL AID TASTES SO GOOD!!!
November 18th, 2008 at 10:25 am
The left dismiss false flag operations, so when they get in power they can use them same terror technique against the counter revolution.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:31 am
@#42:
The Arabs and the Jews are cousins. Semites.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am
I agree with Matt’s comments.
Also, global warming isn’t real? please. sometimes alex jones goes too far. he’s also a religious nut, which in my mind is the biggest facade of all.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am
I, also, concur with Matt’s assessment… As well as yours, John.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:42 am
No global warming is not real. Go look at the facts. The planet is getting colder.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Anyone who says that Alex is a nut case or crazy for being a Christian I have only one thing to say. By the act of your disbelief you confirm the truth that we also acknowledge. There are far too many friends of this show and the movement that understand that Christianity is a paradigm but know Jesus is the only way to GOD! “It is easier for a Camel to go through the eye of a needle that a Rich man to enter the gates of Heaven.”
November 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Apparently these “supposed” intellects are COWARDS. They don’t want to look in the mirror. Either WE THE PEOPLE get justice for what the Bush Administration did on 911? Or there is no justice. And WE THE PEOPLE ignore all laws.
Simple as that.
Left wing or Right wing? Doesn’t matter. The proof is all over the internet. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
November 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Bah.
AJ is mocking you. You keep watching the films, reading the books, subscribing to the websites.
Anything but pick up a gun and put your ass on the line.
Snuggle down sheep. Go back to sleep – there’s no wolves circling the field. You will all be okay come the morning.
Now.. where did I leave my mint sauce?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Are you trying to tell me that 19 illegal immigrants pull off something that the Soviet Union couldn’t do in there wildest dreams.How did the so-called terrorists know that on September 11 2001 a military exercise was taking place on that day? Where are the remains of the so-called terrorists? We uncover the passport of one of the so-called terrorist.But we can’t find a body? And we can’t find the black boxes from the planes.Who is trying to fool who?
November 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am
The disappearing male……..
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KySYwA0aLLI
November 18th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Zinn, Chomsky etc are NOT gatekeepers. They are deep agents, dedicated to serving the extremist zionist causes you all despise, and they do so by taking command and control positions, although, in the USA, these are virtual, intellectual positions. Why? Because it makes them seem vastly more legitimate to the idiots that follow them.
In Britain we have Tony Benn, and George Galloway (and had Ken Livingstone, though in his case, his true Blair serving colours have long been revealed).
The purpose of deep agents is to run dangerous social movements, structured or unstructured, onto the rocks of history, all the while shouting loudly to give the impression of some kind of effective battle. In the USA, the tradition of these agents is to write books for their worshippers to dribble over. In the UK, the trend is much more to give fiery or ‘intellectual’ media or mass audience speeches.
However, in both cases, they demand their followers blindly accept the following- namely that the movements they head fail absolutely and totally, with respect to their stated aims, and that the more these movements fail, the more their followers should worship them.
Chomsky, Zinn, Benn and Galloway have been vastly cheaper to the states they unswervingly serve than any battleship, AND INFINITELY MORE EFFECTIVE AS A WAR ASSET. In the UK, for instance, the anti-Blair anti-Iraq-war public sentiment seemed unstoppable, but Galloway (as one of Blair’s most important and trusted assets) took control, and by the next General Election, he was able to give Blair another stunning victory. Within one year, we went from the largest public demonstration ever seen in London, to zero public interest in participating in anti-Blair statements, all down to Galloway’s amazing success in destroying any joined-up anti-war activity.
KNOW THEM BY WHAT THEY DO, AND IN THE SUCCESS THEY HAVE IN SERVING THEIR MASTERS.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:03 am
SHAME… isn’t that what the left-statist followers usually say? It’s certainly worrisome that these icons of dissent don’t seem to care about this. Sounds like politics. But we all know this is a taboo, and the reasons. Don’t risk anything now, Zinn – your days of speaking truth to power, when you walked out with your students, are obviously behind you.
Editorial note – wasn’t it 3000 rather than 2000 Americans that died in the towers?
November 18th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Rather than get mad about 9-11, I figured I’d write a song.
Pete
Inside Job
(parody of Big Bad John)
(Pete from Missouri, apologies to Jimmy Dean)
On a Tuesday morning, quarter to nine, we saw it arrive,
A full sized plane hell bent on suicide.
We all watched in horror as the left wing took a dip,
It pulled too many G’s said those who’d later quip … “Inside job!”
Inside Job, inside job, inside job.
The Feds knew the terr’s called Florida home,
And with FBI funds they were not on their own.
If a last lap dance right before you die,
For Islamic’s seem’s weird, well, we all know why …
”Inside job!”
A bunch of cave dwellers were blamed for the fray,
(But why were the fighter jets delayed on that day?)
”Nineteen Arabs, carton cutters in hand,”
Talkin’ heads kept sayin’ throughout TV land … inside job.
Inside Job, inside job, inside job.
On September 12th, with the widows cryin’,
Bush got on the bull horn and started lyin’.
Rescue workers diggin’, they’re hearts beatin’ fast,
Toxic dust was causin’ them to breathe their last.
Inside job …
Afghanistan was bombed into a man made hell,
While the UnoCal pipeline progressed mighty well.
Those of us in the know acknowledged with a groan,
When a UnoCal exec was placed on the throne!
Then all the talkin’ heads began their nightly yak,
With that bushlip line “THEY GOT THE BOMB IN IRAQ!”
They’d never let the true story get in their way,
Though more and more people were beginning to say:
”Inside job!”
Inside job, inside job, inside job.
Now the nine-eleven truthers ain’t backin’ down,
And the big lie is crumblin’ down to the ground!
With infowars bloggin’ down the Neo-con line,
Even Hollywood actors have begun to opine:
“Inside Job!”
Inside job …
They keep sayin’ that Al Kaida will hit us again,
They keep sayin’ that it’s only a matter of when.
But the agenda is based on such an obvious lie,
That the next time they do it, ain’t no one’ll buy …
The inside job.
Inside job, inside job, inside job.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am
John (108) and Matt (103) are hopelessly misguided.
YES, IT IS IMPORTANT WHO ORCHESTRATED 9-11. How could anyone say otherwise? It was a brutal crime, for which no one has yet been punished. It served as the pretext for two wars of aggression as well as the destruction of our civil liberties. Nearly 3,000 innocent people were needlessly executed for profit that day, and another 15,000 first responders are dying from the effects of being exposed to the highly toxic aftermath.
If a member of John or Matt’s families were victims of this attack, I highly doubt they would still hold such an insane position.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am
I think some context is important in terms of these comments from Zinn. Before laying into him, one also needs to consider the fact that he has signed petitions, and put his name out there several times, as one who desires a real investigation of 9/11.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Vero Possumus: That’s what it says on Obamas new version of the American seal. It means “Yes we can”.
And believe you me, they think they can!
November 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am
These so-called intellectuals, like Chomsky and Zinn are basically elitist. “Sit down and shut up” about 9/11.
It makes them extremely uncomfortable because at some point they have considered JFK’s assassination and 9/11 and went head-to-head with their conscience and decided to be cowards. They are pathetic.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am
CLosely examine the ongoing atrocities in Palestine to find out what happened on 9-11
November 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
zinn does have a point. but discrediting any specialized movement is kind of fucked up. what if he dismissed feminists because he thought a particular ethnicity deserves more “RIGHT NOW” activism? the truth movement is important.
but i don’t know about bagging on chomsky and zinn. they both contribute an incredible amount of progressive thinking to the world.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Scott, 119
Yes Scott, and while those victims’ families investigate a cluster-f*** of misinformation and disingenuous statements and structural fallibility’s etc, All your freedoms and rights are being willingly revoked… Wasted energy. I’m not saying it wasn’t tragic, and to assume such a brash thing is next to fundamental retardation. Ill say it again.. Just like the crazy left wingers you guys are bashing. Its what is done with 9/11 that’s important, not who did it.. No one will get punished, and if you ever find out who did it specifically, it wont matter any more, because you wasted all your time finding out, while they made sure that once you did.. it wouldn’t matter at all.. Enjoy living in the USA sucker. If i was there, i wouldn’t be part of 9/11 truth, that much i know for sure.. While they write up your patriot acts in the dark of the night, and listen to your phone conversations in broad daylight, your trying to figure out WHO did it.. hahahaa.. Isn’t it obvious?? Isn’t ‘they’ a good enough target?? Stop whats evolving into an Orwellian hell, and use your focus properly. Come on America.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Why is it that so many people do not care about the “Who” of 9/11? Obviously, if you don’t know who then you won’t recognize the “Who” when you put them back in charge of investigations, Congress, the Senate, FBI, CIA, military, etc. You have to know “Who” did what. The problem in the 9/11 truth movement is it is trying to establish the “Who” before the “What” is firmly proven. If people understand that 9/11 happened not because of 19 Moslem fanatics, that steel and concrete 110 story highrises did not collapse becasue of jet fuel, carpet and paper fires, then we can move forward to the “Who” and the “Why” and the “How” it was accomplished. But first Americans must understand that it is quite impossible for the scenario to have happened the way the MSM and the Gov’t have explained it. And only when the people understand that it was terrorism caused by traitors within our own government, then maybe they will want to know “Who” did this. Then we can make sure those people are punished. Those in government that are always claiming that this is not the time to place blame, such as with the current financial meltdown, are usually the ones that know they will blamed if the truth came to light. And with blame needs to come punishment. When the people do not desire just punishment for evil doers then they have become wicked themselves and judgment will consume them all. So be it.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
We must always shine a light on 911 no matter what.
Imagine if Americans kept banging on about JFK relentlessly always digging and probeing.
The more you give up on one the more you discredit the next. there is no doubt about it 911 is a headache for the instigators. Dont ease it.
Everytime I think of the towers I first think of those people who throw themselves off, knowing that they would be leaving those they loved.
For anyone who under-estimates that feeling try looking down from that height and thinking about it for one second.
I dont forget and move on from that too easy!!!
Unlike Bush with Osama, we should be staying the course.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am
9-11 was done by the two countries we kowtow to the most.
1. Israel
2. Saudi Arabia
November 18th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
911 was an inside job
911 was an inside job
911 was an inside job
911 was an inside job
Obama we need an independent investigation. Thats how you become a pain in the arse and when you do it publicly and get no result, Obama shows his true interests for ALL to see.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Another Zionist trying to cover up
Israel crimes
November 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
It’s all about gold. 9/11 was about gold and Oil… The financial collapse is about gold and oil, (and feudal lordship.) The assassination of JFK and Lincoln was about gold.
Chomsky and his ilk are just shills. I’ve never heard anything good from him. He’s watered down so much, he’s ineffective.
The problem with 9/11 is that there needs to be a real criminal investigation. Any one found to be aiding and abetting the criminals are accomplices. That means even the person the hid the evidence.
These shills that say 9/11 isn’t important, are really against the rule of law. They’re against the United States and our Constitution.
A man is put in jail for stealing a carton of cigarettes. He went in for a year.
The banksta’s steal trillions of dollars, and no one says a word.
Question to chompski should be; Why was there no criminal investigation for the biggest crime of the century?
Simple. they’re not going to investigate themselves.
Time to take over fellas. Time for revolution. Time to infiltrate and win more and more seats in local and national government.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Yes it has been so long…But MURDER has no statute of limitation!
Those who forget the past are DAMNED to repeat it
Maybe that is the intent, make us callous to a national tragedy?
November 18th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Well I care! The people that died on 9/11 were MURDERED. And some of the were children.
What a wussie! The fact that a committee was formed instead of having a true criminal investigation pretty much says it all.
We don’t have to have a bloody revolution we just have to have a tax revolution.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
i think the thought of the inside job is too radical for some, and he may not want to go with it in fear of losing support, which is ashame. we need more people in high positions to push for truth so that this does not have a ditto effect. if they revealed the truth i think more young people would be more into politics not just be blind sheep and we could question our goverment and so interest more frequently. i think that senators and such would be more for the people then just watching thier our ass to reamain in office.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
i think we should show some respect to mr. zinn. his “a people’s history of the united states” book has done more to help expose truths than alex jones has ever done. i like the man, but the 9/11 truth movement in the scope of things is still only a drop of sanity in an ocean of mindless drones. we need to look realistically at the situation. we’re dealing with a government that kills its own people. who knows the kinds of programs they have going on that we dont even know about? we need to plan ahead and stop dwelling on 9/11. it was terrible, i know. but it was 2974 people. the number of dead iraqi civilians is 433 times that amount. an iraqi’s life is just as valuable as an american’s. we need to remember 9/11 and keep it in mind so we always know what america is capable of but we need to focus on the future. not on an investigation THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN as long as the powers that be are still in power.
a legitimate revolution might not even be possible at this point. they literally have enough firepower and manpower to kill every 9/11 truther. but even if it is possible it will take years if not decades to accomplish and by then a good amount if not all of the evidence proving something we already know will be gone.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
They blew up them buildings for profit, the stock market shows it, the lack of response shows it, the foreknowledge shows it, the fast efficient cleanup shows guilt, fuck this prick and his paid off ass, he got threatened period to say this. fuck this government and fuck this evil society. Burn the guilty fuckers in the same fashion, put them into a building and light it on fire, see if the fucker falls, just as Ventura stated, it will not fall, but they will know what it feels like to burn like allot of innocent lives did, see you in h ell fuckers. I will meet your asses at the gates.
REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Correct TAX REVOLUTION, do not pay your taxes, what they going to hire millions of tax reps to follow up on 400+ million claims of non payment? Good luck fuckers.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Pitiful excuse for journalism. You all are your own worst enemy when it comes to propagating the “9/11 truth theories”.
During a 2006 Internet forum event, Chomsky claimed that the 9/11 truth movement peddled “arcane and dubious theories” and had distracted activists from pursuing “crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC,” presumably belittling the deaths of around 2,000 Americans, along with hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis, as well as thousands of U.S. troops in the wars that followed that could not have been launched without the pretext of 9/11.
That is just delusional. When people like Zinn and Chomsky say they don’t care about 9/11 and cite that the government has committed: “crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC,” they are talking about the loss of American soldiers, and Iraqi and Afghan civilians. You should read and listen to Chomsky before you try to discredit him. If you knew his work you would realize that he only gets behind things that can be proven, not things that inspire doubt, such as the 9/11 truth movement. There are very real questions that need to be addressed regarding9/11. But just because intellectuals like Zinn, Chomksy, and for that matter Ron Paul don’t jump on every band wagon that other dissidents support does not make them any less credible, or important. Furthermore, the implication that Chomsky is a quasi government operative is one of the most asinine statements I’ve ever read.
When it comes to the “9/11 truth movement” distracting activists, I completely agree with Chomsky. How about we try to restore our Constitution and end the ridiculous warfare that we are waging, then we can go back into the past and investigate 9/11 among other things.
By the way Paul Joseph Watson, Zinn even said that he doubted the story becuase the government rarely tells the truth. How you twist that into some rediculous form of governmental support and complicitness is inexcusable. You owe the man an apology. Intellectuals like Zinn and Chomsky have done more for this nation in terms of waking up our countrymen than most of us could ever dream of. If people like you keep alienating everyone whoe doesn’t hold all of your ideas as their own, you will soon find that you are very alone.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Rio. Noam Chomsky is a controlled asset of the New World Order. Therefore it is not surprising that he would deride the importance of 9/11 but what is the reason for your hero worship of this foil masquerading as a professor.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Christ, you people make me sick. You are so petrified of reality. Everything is a conspiracy, and everything isnt what it seems. Grow Up. You all are the sheeple, and Alex Jones is your fat pasty shepard. Oh, and stop talking about your “revolutions”, like you are in other boards…you arent going to do a god damn thing, and you know it. You people destroy any credibility you might have ever had ( and thats a big might) by believing Jones and Watsons garbage. Now, go ahead, flame away now, with immature comments like little children. I shouldnt expect much else from people so gullible.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I bet they don’t want to back the 911 truth movement because that would make all the respect they’ve earned over long careers disappear quicker than you could say “tin foil hat.”
November 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
controlled oposition morons..to think i once quite like chomsky.. now i know hes jsut a well meaning deluded old fool.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
(((Christ, you people make me sick. You are so petrified of reality. Everything is a conspiracy, and everything isnt what it seems. Grow Up. You all are the sheeple, and Alex Jones is your fat pasty shepard. Oh, and stop talking about your “revolutions”, like you are in other boards…you arent going to do a god damn thing, and you know it. You people destroy any credibility you might have ever had ( and thats a big might) by believing Jones and Watsons garbage. Now, go ahead, flame away now, with immature comments like little children. I shouldnt expect much else from people so gullible.))))
LOL @ THE ABOVE POST
please tick underneath to say hi to the govt paid shcills ….
November 18th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Goldstein lives.
“It was when you thought about “why” that you doubted your own sanity. You have read the book, Goldstein’s book, or parts of it, at least. Did it tell you anything that you did not know already?’
‘You have read it?’ said Winston.
‘I wrote it. That is to say, I collaborated in writing it. No book is produced individually, as you know.’ ”
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/19.html
November 18th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Yeah, rather than get pissed, I do parody lyrics. Here’s another:
Reichstag Fire (parody of Rhinestone Cowboy)
They’ve been walkin’ on us so long,
Singin’ the same old song,
I know every lie that their phony media’s telling.
Control is the name of their game,
And our rights get washed away like the snow in the rain.
The victims receive no quarter,
On the road to New World Order,
But I’m gonna shine a light where it hurts them the most!
It was a Reichstag fire,
The towers went down like a controlled demolition show.
It was a Reichstag fire,
Anthrax letters sent to all the good congressmen we know,
Talk radio I’m gonna phone.
They’re the only ones who stood to gain,
And they revel in inflicting pain,
Now we’re on a runaway train that’s headin’ the wrong way.
Joe Sixpack is still in a snooze,
But websites and documentaries are spreading the news!
That the victims receive no quarter,
On the road to New World Order,
But I’m gonna shine a light where it hurts them the most!
It was a Reichstag fire,
Building seven went down like a controlled demolition show.
Reichstag fire,
Anthrax letters sent to all the good congressmen we know,
Talk radio I’m gonna phone.
It was a Reichstag fire,
The towers went down like a controlled demolition show.
(FADE)
It was a Reichstag fire,
Anthrax letters sent to all the good congressmen we know …
November 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
And what stops morons like you attacking white house with brooms and sticks for the well known and documented crimes – Iraq war, torture, etc. – of the present administration? If it is not cowardice, go take a secret service bullet for me, will ya?
November 18th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
fuck alex jones Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Christ, you people make me sick. You are so petrified of reality. Everything is a conspiracy, and everything isnt what it seems. Grow Up. You all are the sheeple, and Alex Jones is your fat pasty shepard. Oh, and stop talking about your “revolutions”, like you are in other boards…you arent going to do a god damn thing, and you know it. You people destroy any credibility you might have ever had ( and thats a big might) by believing Jones and Watsons garbage. Now, go ahead, flame away now, with immature comments like little children. I shouldnt expect much else from people so gullible.
Why are you here buddy.
You are here because you know the info is true.
I smoked but I didnt inhale. Can i still keep my job sir?
You are not kidding me or the internet spys.
Serf of the highest order.
November 18th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Fuck Alex Jones
Try this one for size…………Congressman Ron Paul confronted Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke this morning about plans to replace the dollar with a new global currency during the House Financial Services Committee meeting on Capitol Hill.
Its all lies but I still keep listening.
Bloody hypocrite.
November 18th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
That’s too bad to hear about author Zinn. I really enjoyed reading his work “The People’s History of the United States”, which reinforced my already radical views. Now, it turns out that he is as subject to the foibles of human nature like the rest of us. Can any one of us say that given his position in life, with his age and all, would we resort to half-truths and outright falsehoods in order to keep food on the table or do we suppose that if we were in his shoes, WE would not dare to shirk from the truth, but proclaim it loudly and often, regardless of the risk to oneself? I’m not trying to apologize for his actions, or lack thereof, just trying to put a human face on what must be a difficult decision. I mean, if YOU had tenure, a family to feed, a reputation, a life to risk, would YOU be out there proclaiming for all the world to hear, the truth about 911?
November 18th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
You all were totally OK with The U.S of A fucking the rest of the world, and just woke up when it dawned on you that you too were being fucked.
Zinn & co have told you the nature of your government, but you didn’t listen. Now you demand they listen to you.
– 9/11 could not have happend if you had already been awake.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
JFK shot from two angles so shot by two gunmen.
It’s simple enough to understand.
If the people you mention can’t cope with this no wonder 9/11 is too hard for them to grasp.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Chomsky and Zinn are both distinguished Jewish intellectuals, and no fools. Their stance on the 9-11 truth movement, maddening and inexplicable on the face of it, is in fact a very good pointer to the guilty parties. These extremely well-informed men know the hidden truth about most things in politics. They know this one as well, which is that the Israeli secret services had a very big hand in the matter of 9-11, and that those services conspired with Zionist agents and sympathisers at the highest levels in the US Government. If this ever became a matter of discussion in the MSM, the result (they fear) would be a wave of popular anti-Semitism that would consume all Jews in America irrespective of political or any other opinions they might hold – and that could include both these gentlemen. For them, as Jews, popular anti-Semitism equates to pogroms and Treblinka. Yet another example of how Zionism has poisoned the well of Jewish culture and intellectual life, and led otherwise honest men down the path of intellectual cowardice.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
His response to the question isn’t the sad part. It’s the audience response that is the real travesty.
November 18th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
If the truth about the 9-11 attacks is exposed and the US Administration’s version revealed as a false-flag cover up, then it won’t just be the Republican Party that will be history. Devolution would beckon for the nation presently known as the United States of America. Are you ready for that possibility, America pals?
November 18th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
what do you right-wing AJ-loving retards care about Chomsky and ZInn anyway?
You never care about what they say. You don’t share their politics – you don’t share their activism.
You are their OPPONENTS. Stupid as you are, you think you have things in common.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
If you live inside the PRISON PLANET..why are you complaining about obvious things like the oppression…and manipulaton inside the prison?
The FREEDOM MOVEMENT confronts the NWO and CFR regularly you call Zinn an old man a coward and yet when eye to eye with the very same evil NWO all you do is …ASK THEM QUESTIONS???
Er …Mr NWO PLANNER ..we know you were at the BILDERBURG MEETING …WAS 9/11 an inside JOB?????
Its like if the ALLIES just left it at bullhorning the NAZIS ……Er Mr HITLER we are aware you are a mass killer…we’re onto you hitleeeer we got tha info….
Theres no such thing as an INFO WAR folks..theres just WAR.
I like AJ but I dislike a method of presenting truth to power that serves the power via its lack of any true path…and conversion of people into end of world chasing whackjobs…
They cant control ALL the banks if the 500,000 people that claimed to VOTE NADER created their own bank…
November 18th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
While certainly the Usual Suspects (oil fascists, war fascists, mafiosi and United Fruit people outraged that JFK had agreed to leave Castro alone if Russian missiles were withdrawn etc.) likely had a hand in the assassination of President Kennedy, it has been proposed that JFK’s stalwart opposition to Israel obtaining nuclear weapons, as well as his interest in hitting the (largely) Zionist banking establishment by taking back the constitutional right of the US government to be the sole issuer of money, may have gotten some of our Jewish friends involved in his removal as well.
Certainly, once you discard the outlandish “Ay-rabs with boxcutters” bullshit, Zionism becomes a prime suspect, probably THE prime suspect in 9-11: just go read the AIPAC manifesto, consider who wrote it, and that it’s essentially a follow-on for what more or less the same authors wrote for the Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu just a few years previously.
Now, let’s think. Chomsky. Zinn. Both radicals. Both left-establishment figures. Both Irish Catholics!!! Wow, what a coincidence!! Perhaps Howard Zinn — who, certainly, has done many fine things during his long lifetime — wants not to care who really did 9-11, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR THE JEWS. D’ya think??
Certainly, it is outrageous to say “I don’t care who killed 3000 of my countrymen,” certainly so long as any of the killers/conspirators are living. It is NO ONE’s right, it is a supreme act of presumptuousness, to say that murder should go unpunished.
And while Zionist complicity in 9-11, if proved, must not be grounds for anyone to condemn Jews as a group, if and to the extent that Jewish organizations, Jewish culture (”we are ever the victims, never the perps”), etc. lead individual Jews to espouse the position that 9-11 must not be truly investigated, lest Jews be implicated, is deplorable.
When you have a murder, let alone a mass murder that launches two wars and the shredding of the Bill of Rights, YOU DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN TO IDENTIFY THE KILLER(S) AND BRING HIM/HER/THEM TO JUSTICE. Fucking period, end of story.
If THE TRUTH about MASS MURDER proves to be discomfiting, unless you are a coward or willing to be an accessory after the fact, still you want the truth to out, and the killers to be punished. The chips then fall where they will. Fuck Howard Zinn, fuck Noam Chomsky, and fuck everyone, Gentile, Jew, whatever, who says 9-11 is a mere historical event and we should quit demanding a full, unrigged, and balls-out investigation.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
These intelligent men are “gatekeepers,” correctly described. They have reasons for trying to distract the public with their Red Herring fallacies. Two of them, Chomsky and Zinn, are Jews, but the third, Alexander Cockburn, is not. We can only speculate, perhaps well enough, about their internal mental states. But I bet they’ve all had a “conversation” at some point with “Security.” What I resent most is how they go hyperbolic in insulting systematic intelligence, especially qualified intelligence, such as the many physicists who object to the official fantasy.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
well said realness
November 18th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
can you guys PLEASE lose the hate speech??? all it does it DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY!!!!!!
but, I guess, if you are actually ADL double-agents, thats exactly what you are striving for.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Zinn and Chomsky are not merely saying that a focus on 9-11 distracts from other crimes commited by the U.S. government. They are saying 9-11 is not even on the list. To have doubts about how it all went down is one thing, but to dismiss the idea of government complicity as being totally absurd…I just don’t get it. I would expect them, at the very least to say, “It wouldn’t surprise me. It’s possible.” But we don’t even get that much?
I hope cowardice is the ONLY explanation here.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
@sean
the haters are ADL double agents? hahahahahahaha
you hate more than you know it, dude.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
What arrogance to say, “I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed”. Only a monster would think of saying that to someone who had lost a daughter, son, mother or wife or other relative. How selfish and insensitive can you get? And the insensitive idiots in the audience who applauded when he said that. If that comment and applaud wasn’t a GO TO HELL to 2,600 people, I don’t know what it was was.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Although I am a supporter of free thinking and intelligent movements that refuse to stay quiet when they have questions… I do somewhat differ with the opinion of this article. Howard Zinn mentions that it is in the past and that to try to bring those who could have done the 9/11 attacks, it would be impossible to figure out. I agree with the fact that trying to figure out who exactly did it may be hard… unless of course there is hard evidence that specific individuals stated any plans or congruence with the event. Even if we certainly did have great evidence to point out those that allowed or called for 9/11 to happen, trying to get a good amount of help to put these perpetrators away will be more than difficult because so many would still be blinded and confused by the media and the masses that are controlled by the media. But, of course, there is nothing wrong with continuing the fight for justice if one wishes to do so. I would consider any events that are proposed to be happening in the future and what is happening currently in our world to be more so at the top of the priority list, simply because they should be stopped. That is not to say that the 9/11 situation is not important or that it’s less important. It can be great to continue the work of gathering evidence for 9/11 as background to all the rest of the work needed to stop possible future problems.
As for Chomsky, I would say that it would be somewhat irresponsible to claim that any other story besides the government’s official 9/11 report to be pure crap. It is always possible that someone or many members of government may lie simply to have things work out for their own purposes. We’ve seen those kinds of crimes happen in government before, in today’s current government and governments in the past. It should at the least be given thought that all other possibilities are present.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
You only live once.
Make it count!
Make a Difference.
Leave a life behind that made a difference.
We all die, eventually.
Don’t live as a coward, for God’s sake!
Have no regrets when you die!
How do cowards live, anyway?
I mean, what’s the point?
November 18th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
if we don’t deal with the Past we will not have any future
November 18th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I must agree to some level. If these people behind the attacks are the ones who are leading us into world control and war, then we need to stop them before more damage is done.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
The purpose of discovering who was responsible for bringing about the 9/11 disaster is not only to ‘bring the guilty to justice’. The evidence is weighty that United States governmental agencies were involved. If 9/11 was an ‘inside job’ it lifts the lid on a pattern of deception and manipulation on the American public that has been going on for years and years. Undertanding this pattern of corruption could not be more relevant to what is going on right now. We ignore the realty of the cause of 9/11 to our own peril.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
The three of them are guilty of ‘indifference to human suffering’. This makes them even more morally guilty than the psychopathic perpetrators.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Big surprise! Howard Zinn is likely someone who just really believes that he’s a revolutionary, when in practice he’s a major left gatekeeper who’s keeping the system in place (like Chomsky and Cockburn). I saw his play “Marx in Soho”: what a distortion of Marxist theory! My guess is that he simply doesn’t have the BRAINS to understand that Marx’s economic theory revolves around production, not distribution. So he produced a play that’s a major distortion of Marx’s theories – a real slander! This is where the U.S. “left” is today: they worship embeciles like Zinn and ignore the real intellectual work it takes to appreciate the best of the revolutionary thinkers, on the left AND on the right. Hey, Howard, doesn’t the TRUTH matter? How can you NOT CARE who were the real culprits who masterminded the attacks of 9/11? Zinn has totally discredited himself (again) as someone whom we should listen to, as already have Amy Goodman and the rest of the phoney U.S. “left” leadership. Actually, for those who’ve been paying attention, the revered leadership of the human-rights movement (misnamed “civil-rights movement”, as Malcolm X pointed out) and the “radical” left have been led by the nose by Judas goats since the Port Huron Statement launched the so-called “New Left”.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Is this more of the same attempts to cloak Zionism as holier-than-thou? Zinn, and Chomsky, no superior moral imperatives from either who want to ridicule those of the 9-11 Truth Movement; and who appear to be nasty Zionists. It’s no great surprise to me that Chomsky also wants to dismiss the meaning of the conspiracy to assassinate President JFKennedy. It does seem to me that both, with regard to dismissing how we came to invade Irag despite millions of Americans, and citizens in many nations marching against a pending war in Iraq — unprecedented multi-nation protests against the Bush-Cheney pending war in Iraq — shows what utter contempt Chomsky and Zinn have for those millions who marched as a matter of personal conscience. To dismiss and ridicule those seeking to expose the Machiavellian plot of 9-11 is morally reprehensible. I would like to say to both, “shame on you!”, but the shame of each is more about their moral compass gone awry when they mock those who want to find out who led so many Americans to be sacrificed in the name of the New World Order. Oh, what the hell: SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU! No doubt their mutual disdain for seeking justice goes far beyond the 9-11 mass murder; and their personal fear and lack of courage cannot be more clear to so many of us. Please, let us hope that we do not equate Jewish Faithists with wretched Zionism.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:37 am
It’s amazing, after years and years of having this little box on your desk which provides a ASTRONOMICAL amount of information at your fingertips, and after the countless sources of information and truth available in all forms in our recent history……I still can’t believe there are people who actually think the POLITICAL SPECTRUM IS IMPORTANT……PLEASE WAKE UP ! WAKE UP!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!! LEFT OR RIGHT, BLUE OR RED, ORANGE ALERT, RED ALERT, PINK WITH PURPLE POKADOT ALERT, RICH POOR, BLACK WHITE……..DON’T YOU SEE THE DIVIDE?
DEMAPUBLICAN REPUBLICRAT WHATEVER…..please wake up, find a new argument, begin to LOVE because it’s the only truth out there. You are not a two dimensional being, you are infinite, start acting like it, peace
November 19th, 2008 at 1:46 am
You know what, they are absolutely right. There is no way you can prove in any way that the US government aided or committed the 9/11 attacks. The propaganda has gotten to a threshold where you only dig yourselves deeper into a pigeon hole of percieved lunacy and fringe-theory by claiming it was so. You may deride Mr. Chomsky as being “cowardly” but the truth is, this is a man with a long history of standing up to the establishment, and he knows you don’t do it by focusing on the past! You do it by focusing on the goddamn present. If you can break a real story, in the present, about what this administration is doing, before the Ministry of Truth gets to it and memory holes the whole thing, then you stand a chance at shaking some curtains in the average household. Until than, true or not, 9/11 shit will accomplish nothing. This is the game they want you to play into. Spending your time analyzing video clips while the world is bought sold and destroyed. What they don’t want you to do is something REAL! Pull your heads out of your ass, stop with the “left wing, right wing” nonsense and get something done.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:13 am
TO # 184 and everyone else who says 9/11 truth is pointless: It is useful to teach other people what their Gov. is doing. Is there anything you can do about it at the moment, other than learn and spread info? Maybe not. But for now, learning and spreading info is NECESSARY for a free and honest society to function as such.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:10 am
I share in the suspicion that there may have been conspirators involved in 9/11 other than those suggested by the government. But the degree of logistical details involved and vast number of people needed to carry it out defies credulity. No agency, no organization could conceivably done it and covered it up and kept it concealed so completely for so long.
Zinn and Chompsky should be respected whether or not they buy the conspiracy theory. They both need to maintain a skeptics distance. For them to make charges that might later be proven false would damage their credibility in the future. To use them to gain credibility could cause irreparable damage to their reputation. The evidence of conspiracy must stand or fall on its on merit not by who is or isn’t willing to ascribe to it.
It may well be true but without the evidence energy should be focus on what can be done.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:11 am
More people need to know about 911 truth! False flag terrorism needs to stop! Many people I talk to can’t accept that 911 was an inside job! I wish more people would wake up to the truth! I started waking up to 911 truth in 2006.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:13 am
Start your own banking system…is it that far fetched that 500,000 people are all so flat broke???
Stop the blame game…99% OF COMMENTS ON THIS WHOLE SITE ARE …………THEY ARE COMING TO GET YOOOOOU fearmongering …..1% ARE what action people took beyond survivalist end time self-flfilling prophecy…IF THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER IT MEANS THEY HAVENT YET SO THE TAKE OVER ISNT SET IN STONE SO GET OFF YOUR BEHINDS.
You see those NWO planners … do more than ask questions or bullhorn STREETS or buildings…
Stop talking about how fixed the society is…if you know its broke…fix it or create a new one…..ANYONE EVEN READ THE AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEENDENCE?/.
Oh silly me…this is the place where it all goes on out there but its dealt with in the survivalist bunkers…or in peoples heads.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:17 am
well said vladimir.
hmm, nice Orwellian doublethink there mr Zinn, allow me to paraphrase his insane response…
“I don’t care if it was an inside job, it doesn’t matter, what matters is that they used the attacks to start all these wars, and that’s what we have to fight, but it doesn’t matter who caused the events they use to justify the wars…”
of course it matters, if you can effectively kill the myth, and destroy the tool of false state terror, then all future wars will surely be much harder to start? and all current wars will rightfully be exposed to everyone as the shams that they truly are, right mr Zinn??? hmm???
November 19th, 2008 at 4:54 am
Hell! Not only too many people, (mainly in USA because the face the facts is to intellectually challenging), but even your intellectuels like Chomsky and pseudo peace activists dop not care even if 911 was a false flag attact.
Guys, this is the ultimate proof that USA is a fascist state, in very advanced state. Back in 1998, I was studying the Hitler and Mussolini regime. I also read at that time Brave New World and 1984. Then, I clearly remember telling to myslef : “At least, we are smart enough with enough education to never accept to live under a police state or a fascist state where people live in genuine deny.
Here we are… in fucking hell.
P.S. I just wish I was a real idiot and should have never bother to go to university and read books. I would be much happier today thinking of where I would be buying my flat sceen TV.
In fact, I could not even buy a fat screen TV with the economic collapse coming. I guess I would start drinking and eventually die. In the end, smart people and dumb people will all meet in this fucking mess. To survive, one will need a gun with lot of ammunitions.
Hell, I am telling you
November 19th, 2008 at 7:26 am
What a lying scumbag this guy is, Same with Chomksy..intellectually dishonest cowards.
November 19th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Who is that in the pic next to Zinn above? Is that…ARAGORN?? LOL
November 19th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Vladimir @ 181 probably has the clearest response.
Revolutionary gatekeepers. I have thought Zinn to be milquetoast for a long time, although apparently him speaking out AT ALL against the Vietnam War was a social risk of some proportion, probably making him a target of COINTELPRO as well. I did not know he distorted Marx. Now I’m curious to see it.
“Moving Train” was almost painful to sit through. I am capable of sitting thru a Chomsky lecture/video, but few people I know (particularly working class) have the patience or comprehension for his blather, so he speaks to “nobody”.
Zinn and Chomsky could hardly be called Zionist. Zionists hate Chomsky for sure, and Chomsky has appeared in numerous films and talks critical of Israel. He rightly criticizes US imperialism more than any other country because, as he says, I live here and this is my country. In other words, it makes total sense to criticize one’s govt, not tut-tut about other govts.
Chomsky does too much downplay Zionist influence in Washington, but I do have to agree with those who say if Israel did not exist, the US would still be doing what it’s doing. Not so sure about the reverse.
I cannot take away from everything Zinn/Chomsky writes/says, but some of it is pathetic.
Having read viewpoints on “conspiracism”, such as what Chip Berlet says, I comprehend the aversion these Lefties have for conspiracism, for the history of “right wing conspiracism” in the US. Such conspiracism has a strong tendency for demonization, and tends to overinflate minor events into bizarre plots.
But I also argued with Berlet that they go overboard with anti-conspiracism, turn a blind eye to the obvious.
One, conspiracism often gets into bizarre theories such as about an invisible Illuminati or Satan, and Illuminati the Mystery Religion seems to be a politically correct postwar style of saying “Jews” such as in the Tsarist “Protocols”, anti-Jewish not anti-Zionist.
One example I found was when a proposal by Congress under Eisenhower to permit Alaska to have it’s own mental health services for Alaskans instead of forcing them to deal with Tacoma, WA was imagined as a PLOT to install a “SIBERIAN GULAG” in America under the reign of Jewish-Communist psychiatrists. This bizarre protest movement grew to the point that it weirded-out Ike. Finally Barry Goldwater sheperded it through Congress, and the right wing trusted him and let it pass. There are many similar examples.
Two, Sept 11 conspiracism tends to blame BUSH or CHENEY, as if the entire US military-industrial-intelligence-media-etc COMPLEX was not part-and-parcel of this Sept 11 process, which was described as “necessary” for the War on Terror (before 9-11) and which the GWOT was described as imperative for US global hegemony and survival, the New American Century.
In other words, this was US geostrategy. It was not “the neo-cons”, though they implemented it. It was certainly not a race of people, certainly not “the Arabs” nor “the Jews”. It was a bunch of megalomaniac (they would think themselves wise Machiavellian or Straussian elites) who think they deserve to run the world.
Sept 11 was certain not a surprise, nor a secret, in retrospect. I was just failing to pay attention.
It’s too bad there is so much misinformation and odd theories embedded in it, but since it’s a PUBLIC movement and since the FBI has withheld vital info, it’s not surprising the people with wild imaginations have stepped forward.
This is why CHOMSKY and ZINN should look at Sept 11. The systemic analysis they so love EXPLAINS what happened and what is continuing. It’s not a “conspiracy theory”. It’s no more new than 40 years of Operation Gladio and variations of that CIA exercise are new. It’s OLD and it’s repeated because it worked. Sept 11 was and is POLICY.
As Vincent Vinciguerra said, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force…the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”
DUH. Is this “beneath” Zinn’s pedigree or beneath their radar?
November 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Mr. Chomsky is a intellectual prostitute. No more needs to be said.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
If we can get an independent investigation you will find out WHO did it. They will rat each other out and the evidence will point out the people who had the power to instigate this.
If this happened FINALLY the people will smell a rat much sooner and the power elite will be dealt a major blow.
God bless the people who died in the towers and the many people who have died and suffered as a result.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Sure bet! Just imagine Chomsky and Zinn stating the same thing with regard to Pearl Harbor: “I DON’T CARE WHO ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR!”
‘THE NEW PEARL HARBOR’ ‘Disturbing questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11, book by David Ray Griffin, foreward by Richard Falk, opens up a host of things that are thoroughly ignored by Zinn and Chomsky, if we must personalize the so-called WAR ON TERROR in terms of two silly men seeking to chide and ridicule those who want to know how we came to invite 9/11. What do you suppose GRIFFIN is suggesting in that powerful title? GRIFFIN is a serious thinker, and he does not mince words.
At least the PEARL HARBOR attack was understood to be a military target with mostly military deaths, even though most of those ships in the harbor were being moth-balled and had no real use for the Navy, with nearly all sea-worthy ships safely out of harms way when the attack came from Japan. Now we know: Roosevelt knew that an attack from Japan was imminent. Sacrifices would be required, as Roosevelt repeated, to arouse the passions, and once aroused, direct that emotion to going to war.
Roosevelt’s speeches kept urging Americans to stop their “isolationism”, and get ready to go to war in Europe. That point is very clear in the book, ‘NO ORDINARY TIME’ by Doris Kearns Goodwin.
Roosevelt was practically conditioning Americans to accepting that eventually we would be attacked, and we would need to go to war!
Some analyzed those war making efforts in Europe to be advantageous for elites, arranged and manipulated by bankers and powerful financiers and industrialists supporting Hitler’s rise to power in Germany. Powerful elitists supporting fascism? It is an historical fact, as observed in Hitler’s Nazified Germany, and Mussolini’s fascist Italy. Both as Christian nations, to boot!
Corporatism is merely an euphemism for fascism.
As to whether or not Zinn and Chomsky are “secret” Zionists, the proof is in their own denial that wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have already furthered Zionist’s goals, in their wanting people to dismiss investigating what was truly behind 911. They resort to ridicule, as if it does not matter that conspiracies can be quite real, as if nations don’t conspire, as if economic hegemony is not real.
Could Israel on its own survive without billions flowing from Washington in support of Zionism? Do Zinn and Chomsky have any penetrating questions about Zionism?
It matters not what Zinn and Chomsky did in the PAST, but what they are doing right now to thwart NWO goals. Just as they now command and admonish others to not look back in trying to expose the government’s Big Lies about 911, we should not look back too much on their previous success either. They’ve lost their moral compass, and they receive far too much publicity for it.
What is represented in Bush/Cheney and neo-cons is a furtherance of military-industrial might, on-going for some fifty years; and they are figureheads in that sense, though much more when it comes to the degradation known at Abu Ghraib, and what are the lost souls who have fostered unimaginable depravations and sordid treatment of prisoners, not just in Iraq, but in the Western gulag of GITMO, a wretched cesspool that has tortured and sought to strangle our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and has sought to make a mockery of the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention sought the most honorable and humane treatment of people as prisoners.
At least we understand that sacrifices are so good and just when Zinn and Chomsky tell us it is so!
Why should the 9-11 Truth Movement be SILENT?! Why would any great thinkers ask or command or chide or seek to ridicule those who are seeking to expose the most evil among us?!
How did we come to announce the WAR ON TERROR, anyway? And who was in power as the selected supreme of the courts did the bidding, and for whom?
The so-called ‘WAR ON TERROR’ does not exist! It is all an illusion. There has never been a previous war declared as an ideology, which did not direct focus on one or several enemy nations. Unless of course, we are speaking about a WORLD WAR, as in WORLD WAR ONE, or WORLD WAR TWO, which involved nations against nations, and ostensibly sought to define good against evil.
The so-called ‘WAR ON TERROR’ is bogus, as an ideological war…..because more terror has been committed in the United States with the illusionary WAR ON DRUGS, whereby narco-gang neighborhood terrorists have created more terror and mahem and destruction and murders than any assaults alleged to occur here by foreign enemies. Moreover, the desired reactionary measures have only assured an escalation of violence, whereby the local police become para-militarized forces.
Rather than simply banning assault weapons, and easily targeting and eliminating the known conspirators creating narco-gang violence, and defining them as enemies against civilization and throwing them in the desert camps ……..an escalation of violence has been assured — the conditioning of the masses to become receptive for even greater reactionary measures, such as using tanks and military forces against civilians.
Perhaps we should never look back to, say, Waco, Texas, and little Mount Carmel, filled with terrorists of all persuasions, and needing to be confronted by tanks and military choppers.
We should not read any books that suggest that a vast conspiracy involved setting up and using Timothy McVeigh, either, and should not read: ‘THE THIRD TERRORIST’, by Jayna Davis.
We must avoid any truthful revelation’s, as in the book, ‘
The so-called WAR ON TERROR has never existed, as long as our southern borders have been wide open for any terrorists or subversives coming here from foreign nations via Mexico, or C.A. or S.A. nations, and using Mexico as a free-border pass.
Where is the real WAR ON TERROR, without our previous COLD WAR?! The WAR ON TERROR has been manufactured. coming just in time as the COLD WAR was finding itself useless, as illusionary “parity” drove American elites seeking to bankrupt Russia.
Now we have our looming depression coming, and Russia seems to be flush with money. In that equation, one man was made out to be a demi-god by some who grew so wealthy from deregulation’s, with Reaganomics as trickle-down to nothing for the masses now moving into poverty, voodoo economics assured with national and global traded hedge your bets derivatives, making for us a casino economy.
Just who is thriving from the so-called WAR ON TERROR? Do we need to look far and wide….. or much closer to home?! Yes, let us say that false flags have no meaning, and DON’T LOOK BACK you stupid idiots. Yes, let us chime with ZINN and CHOMSKY: DON’T LOOK BACK! That is their reasoning for moral imperatives: Ridicule those who want to know how we came to have our very strange 9-11.
While untold billions flow into the coffers of the mad-hatter oilgarch’s coffers, those spOILers as war-profiteers, we commoners should need to ask what is meant by the military-industrial might and wizadry going on here?!
If we hold no-one accountable, not our elected or SELECTED leaders, we likely will find more of the same coming our way, and tyranny will thrive.
Zinn and Chomsky are very Zionist, but “DON’T LOOK BACK”, unless perhaps you are Jewish? Then are they not asking all Jews to be silent about the terrors of Nazism, too? Just how much should some of us NOT LOOK BACK, and how far, and which of us are allowed to LOOK BACK and ask questions, and which of us are not allowed? If Jews are allowed to LOOK BACK at the Nazification’s which progressed in Germany so many decades ago, why should we not be allowed to LOOK BACK to 1991?!
Please, let’s stop asking ZINN and CHOMSKY, those two very silly men, to define any moral imperatives when it comes to our own disastrous banking system that has helped fuel our desperate support for all things for war making; and has brought some groups in our country to bring about conditions which assured that 9/11 would occur. I’ve never once heard either support the incredible works of DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, for instance.
If we are seeking to find any ’smoking guns’ lying about, start with those who have investigated various aspects of 9/11, start with GRIFFIN’s challenging books; and pre-911 see what sort of things were evolving or devolving in the strange lands of Florida.
What has Florida got to do with anything other than palm trees and balmy breezes? Which planes caught a breeze from CIA planes, and Florida business types?
See much more at http://www.madcowprod.com, and see why that author’s works have been so thoroughly dismissed, if not covered-up. Why was it that the author found so much information in Florida, but the CIA, and the FBI seemed unable to piece the clues together to see and know that hints of an attack on the United States were being established right under the noses of our “bestest” intelligence gatherers? I don’t think that was the case. Clearly, things needed to be allowed to go forth.
Only serious thinkers like ZINN and CHOMSKY, who are now dismissive silly men, are restricted by not venturing into the unknown realms of conspiracy theorists?! Now that is quite a joke.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Yea , yea…
All talk and no action. You know who did it and why , and all you can do is talk about it and blog about it. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?!
Talk. PERIOD.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Cowards Says:
November 19th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Yea , yea…
All talk and no action. You know who did it and why , and all you can do is talk about it and blog about it. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?!
Talk. PERIOD.
You unfeeling little prick.
IT IS IN THE PIPELINE……..No thanks to Aseholes like you!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for the language folks.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Like I said….that’s the best you can hope to do….type a little text in the little box and then go back to your little lives. You , I…none of us have the power to fight what has been set in motion. Talking about it does nothing. Pointing fingers does nothing. Blogs do nothing. Information does nothing. Society does….NOTHING. This is a symptom of the power structure. You can call me unfeeling…call me whatever…I’m not surprised. When confronted with the core of truth without the false padding of an illusion of self-empowerment,,,,the truth angers those who are afraid to accept reality for what it is.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I believe that there is GREAT HOPE! These blogs provide people a way to communicate, not merely vent, or rant as I have done.
Point in fact: The millions who marched several years ago in protest to the looming war in Iraq was unprecedented in world history. In many nations, millions marched to protest the mad-hatters war. They did this, marched against the looming war in Iraq, without any real organizing effort! A true sign of collective consciousness being much clearer.
As the neo-cons pressed on for war, it was especially terrible to see that Bush used the term/expression CRUSADE, which was a lightening rod to all fundamentalist christians here to rally around the flag and make war-making a lip smacking prosptect, y’know, for the END TIMES crapola they espouse.
Hope springs eternal, and yet I understand the frustrations of some here who appear to be without any.
Consciousness-raising is spreading so much faster these days! Witness the recent election.
Not that we who supported OBAMA are so naive to think that all will be hunky-dory when he gets into office, nor that we have all the answers.
The fact remains: More people are better informed now than ever before about the viciousness of the NWO.
There is hope.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Coward
So we just forget about it right. WRONG!!!
The truth movement is growing. More and more influential people are getting involved.
Thr official case for 911 has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
Science is proving this.
I will never forget about 911 and stop talking about it. 911 is so blantant that it is one of the most powerful cases to reveal what the power elite will do to further the agenda.
9/11 was an inside job. 9/11 was an inside job. 9/11 was an inside job. 9/11 was an inside job..This is what they do to us via TVs. THEY DONT FORGET ABOUT THE ELITES AGENDA. RIGHT.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
We have the illusion of freedom those who embrace the truth are individuals drifting in a vast ocean without hope of rescue.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Glenn Petrone
Rather an ocean with hope.
Than a cage with a rope.
November 19th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Denial can’t hide the truth. The left-wing libs are no better than the neocons, as they are ALSO part of the same satanic occult. It’s just a game to fool the populace. The elite were behind 9/11 and now they are trying to kill MORE Americans in 2009 (01/21 or 02/02 perhaps??). Don’t fall for it again…RISE UP and DO SOMETHING!!!
November 19th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Everyone has there place in the positive advancement of mankind. You can’t dismiss the validity of Zinn’s accomplishments biased on one subject. Ron Paul also denied ANY government involvement of the 9/11 attacks and you don’t see Alex shooting him down.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Well, these guys are trying to sell books and in turn secure high-paying speaches and lectures on those books and those books ultimately avoid the discussion of the false flag psy op as an instrument of statecraft and so to double back now and change their message or focus would hinder their income, rapport, etc. In other words, they’re engaged in intellectual materialism.
This is not so strange and the 911TM is not immune to it. Look at, for example, NPT. This is a theory that opens a whole new can of worms aside from the false flag op can. And yet, many 911TM thinkers refuse to address the theory honestly. Why? One reason is they are trying to sell DVDs, books and such and fully embracing NPT means they would have to go back and tweak their stuff. NPT threatens to render many 911TM paradigms obsolete. Another example is UFOlogy, which has a rich history and plenty of “nuts and bolts,” “meat and potatoes” lines of thought that lead directly to the 911TM. Yet it too remains mostly shunned. Why? The answer: Intellectual materialism, market strategies, DVD sales, etc.
Many 911TM thinkers need to realize that they too live in a glass house. It’s just a smaller one than the one in which Chomsky resides.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Wake up Americans!!!
http://truthknowledge.com
November 20th, 2008 at 11:16 am
I too have made the same arguement about Ron Paul spilling the same garbage…Did you see the Bill Mahr show with Ron Paul as a guest?…Illuminatti handshake to start, 19 high jackers, Islamic terrorists, BLAH BLAH BLAH…Check out U tube… Ron Paul is Illuminatti.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
it is obivious that zinn and chomsky are in on the deception. they are intellectual dividers if they were so gd smart then how do they explain the physics of the collapse of the towers?
November 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Left wing activists don’t care what happens to the global economy, they don’t care about human rights.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:46 am
a lot of these oldies are so scared – maybe cos they are experienced enough to see what monsters we are up against
its a shame there are SO FEW who can see – there is so much indisputable proof these governments do not give a damn about us but denial is seducing the masses cos the truth is too much for them to bear – we should never lose courage even as one against millions…. and we should never fear isolation and ridicule which is what is happening to me – but i dont care – i know what the f*** is going on and im not backing down and will continue to learn and research and put out into the open what i find
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 am
Well for what it’s worth here’s my answer to you Howard:
http://intwain.wordpress.com/2.....ts-to-911/
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 am
you should care mtf old piece of shit … people died there u crap older fucker
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Most lefty leaders are Jewish and all roads point to Israel as being complicit in 9/11. Zinn is no exception. His automatic reaction is of self preservation and that of his ilk. You’d be hard pressed to find many Jews in agreement that 9/11 was an inside job because it would point squarly to them.
Tune out these idoits they will be proven wrong in the long run.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I just have to laugh at some of the IGNORANCE on this thread. Although I am far from surprised by it.
My favorite cluster of ignorance on this thread (although there are many) are the ones who FEEL they are intelligent enough to call others who actually have a CLUE as to what is really going on in the world, “Morons”.
These clusters remind me of the guys with “little guy syndrome”. Because they are BLISSFULLY IGNORANT, they try and “appear smart” by calling others morons.
I kinda feel bad for the Obama sheep though (although not much) because it appears they know something is wrong but just cannot understand that Obama is just as much a part of the PROBLEM as was Bush and the rest of them.
As for people like CHUMPSKY, ZINN and others just like them, well for those who do not prefer not to live in DENIAL will know that the NWO ALWAYS send in the CLOWNS to entertain the crowds and herd them in the direction the NWO chooses.
If they can’t send in the clowns they will bribe, blackmail and corrupt someone already in the crowd and their BEST targets are those with the best and highest standing in the group, and if by some SLIGHT chance they cannot bribe, blackmail and corrupt the target, they send in someone to send the target into the WRONG DIRECTION, which will allow the NWO to have the target lead the followers in the WRONG DIRECTION.
This is why those who REALLY want TRUTH and FREEDOM no matter what country you are in, needs to follow NO MAN or WOMAN. We MUST follow the TRUTH no matter where or who it leads us to but putting our worship and full trust is NO ONE!
I see people ALL OF THE TIME, waking up to the NWO & government propaganda only to end up following BLINDLY behind someone else who by trickery or ignorance is leading them right back into the fire pit.
Lets take Alex Jones for example: I have no doubt that he IS legit, he is correct about the NWO 98% of the time (and even the other 2% he does a pretty good job on), however, when it comes to the REAL END GAME, he has NO CLUE as to what is REALLY going to happen.
Now that is not to say his movie END GAME is not correct, and that the NWO plans he exposes are not correct, but sadly Alex REFUSES to see the FOREST for the TREES.
Alex wants to believe the world is going to go on forever and that as long as we fight the NWO we can & will win. However, he also claims to be a Christian, which is in DIRECT CONFLICT with what he wants to believe. He always takes the parts of the bible he likes and uses it but then throws out the parts he doesn’t like and creates his OWN BIBLE and version of Christianity. This is a DEATH SENTENCE in GODS eyes. I hope he see the LIGHT before it is too late for him and all of his hard work exposing the NWO and waking people up comes to NAUGHT!
So, for these reasons Alex should only be followed and believed when it comes to learning about and understanding the NWO and THEIR PLANS, but as to what WILLl happen, his expertise ends.
I will also make it clear that we MUST fight the NWO and EXPOSE them and their plans as well as their AGENTS, even though we will NOT stop the NWO from happening, but we CAN and WILL slow down their plans. By slowing them down it allows time for MANY others to AWAKEN before it is too late and this is a GOOD THING!
The good news is and what Christians need to know is that the NWO will only reign a SHORT TIME and then be DEFEATED. But NOT by MAN but by Jesus Christ.
This world as we know it WILL COME TO AN END! I can PROMISE you all that.
Now for those of you who hate Christians and Christianity, well you have NO HOPE for survival, you WILL surrender to the NWO or will die, either by the hands of the NWO due to war, famine, as a prisoner, from one of their demented goon squads or by Jesus Christ at his return (if you live that long), oh and this will include all of you FAKE and Zionist loving Christians as well (you are only fooling yourselves).
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I agree about not giving a damn about who or why.
But this is a grades school physics problem. Do we want high school kids dumb enough to not understand that the distribution of steel and concrete is important in analyzing a problem like this?
It is important in merely understanding that a skyscraper has to hold itself up.
This isn’t just old news, it is physics and engineering in the nation that put men on the moon. Are we supposed to buy 8-core 3 GHz computers just to download videos and play stupid games? How much money is spent on special hardware and software just to make the physics realistic in those stupid games?
These Liberal Arts types have such narrow perspectives. LOL
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Screw you Zinn…You are a dirty old rotten man just like all those others from Zion before you!!!
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
After reading this, I will have nothing more to do with Howard Zinn or Norm Chomsky. I used to look at them as heros.
I went to Net Flicks and gave each of their movies a one star rating. I’m going to do the same thing at Amazon. Maybe that will wake them up!
November 25th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
It wouldn’t be hard to gather leading intellectuals such as Zinn and Chomsky, aside from playing outright to their egos (a human weakness within us all) and have them react this way, though higher intelligence would/should be above such temptations that play off pride and sense of worth. Needless to say, if a group wanted to assure their dismissal / endorsement of any particular idea(s), any easy and often overlooked tactic (for not seeing the forrest for the trees) would be to merely line up the “dream interviews” they’ve sought after for so long, grant them access to their “dream archives” – after all that, it would be exceptionally hard for them to disbelieve a ‘handler’ who has granted them access- time and time again to facts, materials, evidence, etc. that may lend support to some of their most relished arguments. After that, a simple “I’ve shown you light in the darkness, why would you not believe, or how could you not believe me now?” would probably suffice, serving to quiet the children with their new toys. Unfortunate if true.
November 30th, 2008 at 3:43 am
I really dont know about Zinn, a little bit more about Chomsky. They were supposed to say things that not many others dare to say. And so Chomsky at least have said in some books I’ve known from him.
What appears to be clear to me it is that u cannot follow blindly anybody or suppose that everything somebody said its the total truth or cannot be misguided. Even if he or she has been right some times before.
Ok, lets assume that the WTC tragedy was an inside job. What a horror. I could make the effort to believe so, as hard as it is. But what can u do about it? And if the answer is nothing, then it sounds perfectly reasonable to focus on things u can do things about. I mean, I dont know why Zinn or Chomsky made that statements, or what their intentions were in doing so. But could be possible that they try to offer the same suggestion I do it now?
As much as I was scared for the potential for evil that Bush had, I was scared too for the potential of evil that those of u who express so much hatred and blindmindness. I mean, I look for the truth, of course, but I dont like to be in the same group of radical nazist or religious fanatics who mix subjects like the facts around the WTC and the “Zion activist”. Seems jerks to me….
I didnt like Bush for his hatred to anything who come in his way, his beligerence and rightneous pseudo-morality who entitles him to kill people in Irak “for his own shake”. But I dont like either this fanatics morons who wants revenge in jews or in arabs or in intellectuals who make (or not) their best in their pursuit of truth. Enough hating… and more brains, plz.