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Alex Jones Interviews Katherine Albrecht

The Alex Jones Show July 8 2003

Alex Jones: Joining us is the founder and head of Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering, she is Katherine Albrecht and we are so honored to have you on the show. Hello Katherine, good to have you with us.

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Katherine Albrecht: Hello Alex, it's a pleasure to be on with you.

AJ: We had you on just 2 weeks ago, and you're getting more and more documents as you're doing more and more interviews, you've been on all around the world. This is a big deal, I know you've got copies of the documents. Tell us exactly, what you have discovered are incredibly arrogant statements. Frankly from when you were on 3 weeks ago, you heard similar statements and a lot of Biblical references when you were up in Chicago for a big consortium meeting.

KA: Well you know the thing that has been happening behind the scenes since 1999 when this Auto ID centre first got founded, and to put this in perspective for your listeners by the way. The Auto ID centre, the folks had a gaping security hole where were able to just go in and sell these embarrassing and confidential documents. There are actually, it could be argued that they are one of the most powerful organisations in the world right now in terms of futuristic technology

AJ: Well they're connected to all the people. Wal-Mart got the barcodes to become universal in the 80's, they're doing it again by forcing all of their manufacturers to adopt this, this will become universal.

KA: You got it, Wal-Mart being one of the sponsors of the Auto ID centre, it comprised now of more than 100 different organisations, companies, product manufacturers and retailers all around the world. They have gotten together, and for the last 3 years have been meeting secretly behind closed doors in these meetings, having discussions.

AJ: If that's a definition of racketeering I will say it. They are colluding to change industry and make us accept the new system with additional costs as well. This is racketeering, setting up a new industry and then it has the privacy implications.

KA: The problem here is that it would be one thing if here if they were meeting behind closed doors to talk about, I don't know, new forms of fork lift or something to develop for the warehouse, but what they have developed is something that has the potential to influence every single human being on the planet.

AJ: And they say that in their documents. Tell us about their new documents and how you got them, and then we're going to get Paul Watson's response to this.

KA: We have, it's kind of funny, we first stumbled across this huge gap in their web site security back in the spring and in fact I had quite an astonishing time a few months ago, sitting there saying wait a minute, as I was looking up some standard documents and there was something confidential at the bottom of a number of them, and wasn't that strange, and as I began to open up documents on the web site I was astonished at how confidential these documents were. And I'm talking about links with emails of everyone who has participated in their meetings with telephones numbers…

AJ: Corporate chieftain's home addresses.

KA: Yeah, that level of detail.

AJ: Department of defence goodies, in fact a Canadian researcher just found a bunch of NSA stuff posted, it's like their Northwood's documents, ever heard of Northwood's the US government terror plan thing that got leaked, they admit it's accurate, it talks about hijacking jet airliners to crash and blame on foreign enemies. The stuff that gets leaked by government and quasi-government. Tell us about the group, and exactly who's in it and what's in the documents.

KA: Well these documents contain everything from board meetings that are confidential, secret PowerPoint presentations that they have given to say everyone from the Department of Transportation. It has references to meeting with Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge. It has references to trials; actual store level trials where they are putting bugging devices into actual products that people are taking home with them. This has been vehemently denied in the media and yet these internal documents openly state and specify that this is happening

AJ: This is massive and you talked about the public meeting in Chicago, they said if we can get Homeland Security to endorse this for security, now they're saying they want all the cows and sheep to have this, federal inspectors, a whole new level of beaurocracy, a security clearance to have any job, I mean this is their control grid. Remember I talked about Ridge on C-Span last year, last time you were on, Katherine. I had him on tape on C-Span. I've got to dig the tape out. I watched this live and he was meeting with corporate heads and he talked about this control grid.

KA: I think this is one of the concerns, that the companies involved in this will tell you that their only concern is better efficiency in the supply chain, that they're only worried about warehouses and transporting things more efficiently.

AJ: But now they're meeting with Ridge…

KA: Yeah, and one of things you.., let me just reread that quote that I mentioned last time we were on together Alex, and this is a quote by Larry Kellen he's a director for B2B Supply Chain Innovation for Proctor & Gamble. He gave a whole presentation about how item level tagging is going to be the future of RFID. Now item level tagging is actually putting gone of these tiny remote transmitter chips on every consumer product.

AJ : Woven in to the clothing…

KA: Woven into clothing or potentially pressed right into plastic

AJ: Gillette already has it…Michelin already has it in the tyres.

KA: Well Gillette is testing it, they putting into packaging but the potential is quite large that they would put this right into, I mean for something the packaging may as well be the product…

AJ: Now it's in the Michelin tyre.

KA: Yes we have seen schematic diagrams and that has been going forward…

AJ: Let me stop you because we have Paul Watson here and we are so honored to him in on, I've been jumping in a lot, just adding titbits and want to get into what the documents actually say in the next segment. Let's bring Paul Watson, our researcher from England on. Paul, any comments on what Katherine has been saying…

Paul Joseph Watson: Well you mentioned the first interview with Katherine, and anyone and can go online and listen to that at PrisonPlanet.com in the audio section - the June 20 interview. But also we posted just yesterday a picture which one of our Prison Planet columnists actually took personally from Wal-Mart and it reads, and you can go online and see this now, “To our valued customers, for your protection and to bring you low prices we use CCTV and electronic merchandising tagging systems” and that's on PrisonPlanet.com right now…

AJ: So there they are trying to push it. Katherine, what do you say to that?

KA: Well you know it is true, and the problem here with Wal-Mart is they are putting in these hidden reader devices in shelves and in floor tags and we actually have a document that states this is happening, they have vehemently denied it and I interviewed with reporters…

AJ: Scanning you as you walk around inside the store and you said the cameras watch you when you pick up the Gillette razors

KA: Well that is one of their stated plans, and let me give you a list of products, I have a document right here that specifies at Wal-Mart in phase 3 testing, they are testing Caress Soap, Right Guard Aerosol deodorants, Pantene shampoo, Huggies Baby Wipes, Coca Cola 2L bottles, and of course Gillette products. Now when you look at this document that talks about Wal-Mart doing this it actually says that for each of these products they are doing a shelf read, now shelf read means actually reading the items on the shelf. This means that tags must be in the items themselves.

AJ: I've got to stop you there, that's big, they're in the items themselves and they said they weren't doing that.

KA: Now one of the others is a floor reader, there is a reference to a floor read for Coca Cola, and the question we are now raising is… I have in my possession right here right now a pair of shoes by a company called Foot Star and right on the tag it says “Attention our products have theft detection devices embedded which will be deactivated at the register or the service desk. If you combine that with floor readers you have the potential to read people through their shoes.

AJ: After they leave. And in San Francisco they are using RFID to begin taxation off the toll roads, putting the entire city into toll roads. Stay there, riveting information, absolutely important, got to boycott them now before they put them in everything and there is no escaping it and they make it a law that every product has to have it unifying the supply chain. Be right back…

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AJ: These documents you've gotten Katherine are just bombshell, and of course you've got them and excerpts from them on your website and we'll talk about that in a few minutes. What else is in the documents, I mean not just how they are already in the shoes and they're going to read you. There was an article in the Washington Post last year that said they've got pressure plates and cameras that read your eye movements, how long you watch something for psychological algorythms to be built, psychological dossiers on us, that was in the Washington Post. I don't know if you saw that article where they admitted all this. But what about their statements about pacifying us and about neutralizing opposition and manipulating the public, can you tell us about that.

KA: Sure, I think one of the big problems with the Auto ID centre, and hence the over 100 companies affiliated with it right now, is that they have an enormous problem with consumers right now, 78% of consumers they have studied in their own internal documents have stated that they are extremely concerned or somewhat concerned about privacy invasion associated with this technology, 61% are concerned about electromagnetic energy affecting their physical health. So they've got a big problem, and their big problem is called a public relations nightmare. They have called in heavy hitter PR firm Fleischman Hiller to devise a PR strategy for them, and one of the things, they've actually done two things, they've called in Fleischman Hiller to come up with a PR strategy, the second thing they actually say is a whole bunch of consumers all around the world, Japan, Germany, England, The United States, France, and what they've found in every case the people surveyed there did not like the technology, and in that particular document, Helen Deuce who is their researcher over there in England, she actually comes right out and says, well in fact at the November board meeting where all these guys got together again behind closed doors to talk about this, she presented the results of the study, and from what I have been told her comment was that “I have some good news and some bad news, the bad news is that people really don't like this technology, that's the result of my study, the good news is that it appears they will be apathetic and they will not know what to do about it unless someone comes along and motivates them and wakes them up."

AJ: Exactly, people don't like the New World Order, but they also feel like they're alone, even though we're the majority. It's gun control, it's all the issues, the people want their liberties and their freedoms but they feel disempowered, but we really have all the power, that's my frustration. Paul Watson, we've really got to promote Caspian, and we've got to get the word out, I've been talking about RFID for 5 years, Texe Marrs for 8 years, people. Watson, got any ideas on how to get the word out on this other than this show?

PJW: Well yeah, Katherine mentioned the fact that this same system has been implemented in what we call the Echelon countries, specifically my country, but people in this country say we haven't got Wal-Mart over here so they are not introducing it, but Wal-Mart in fact own the major supermarket store over here which is Asda, so it's the same system being implemented across all those countries. It's interesting talking about these documents that have just been released that lay the groundwork and the quote I read, one of the stories that came out today is that these companies talked about how they will manage the release of negative stories about RFID, which mirrors similar documents that came in another context about the European Union two years ago. The introduction of the Euro. It's the same agenda talking about how to manage public perception and direct apathy.

AJ: So now they've got your direct apathy, think about how arrogant they are to you and your family folks. Katherine…

KA: Let me tell you one of the ways this is actually, an element of their strategic plan is to encourage apathy, one of things in the Fleischman Hiller document, one of the many Fleischman Hiller documents we have obtained they actually say "emphasise in all public communications with the press the inevitability of this technology”, so emphasise it's coming it's inevitable, there's nothing anybody can do to stop it.

AJ: That's the same thing with the Euro.

PJW: They use that tactic every time.

AJ: What did the Borg say, “Resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile”. Lay down GI you won't be seeing your sweetheart, lay down Tokyo Rose said. Stay right there Katherine, amazing information, I want to hear more about these secret documents you've gotten and how they're panicking, we'll be right back.

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AJ: Talking to Katherine Albrecht, we've got my webmaster of PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Joseph Watson; we'll be hearing more on the show about his upcoming book “Order out of Chaos”. We've got Joan, Bill and Bob and others that are holding, your calls are coming up in a few minutes, I am hyperventilating over this issue, this is such a key area in the fight for liberty, it's like open borders, gun control, RFID, cashless society, biometrics, these are all the top most important issues, strategic things to stop the globalists from putting in, and Paul Watson I'm giving you a mission my friend, I don't just want an audio file of this interview with Katherine up on the website, I am asking our listeners, 3 or 4 of you to do this, I want a transcript of this interview posted, because Greg Palast and others, the BBC have posted them, the transcripts of this show get published in major newspapers around the world, I don't know why, I guess interviews are so insightful with these great guests, listeners you know who you are, email it to Watson OK, because half the time we get so many thousands a day, sometimes I won't see it the first day, email it to tips@inforwars.com. Watson, the transcript of this, where shall they email it to get it posted so millions of listeners can email it out to folks?

PJW. They can mail it to paul@prisonplanet.com and I'll get that.

AJ: Alright we'll post it under the Prison Planet headline, this is so important, Katherine I know I'm jumping in over you, I get out of control on this subject it makes me so mad because I read them years ago saying what they would do with this, taxation, control, tracking, you've got the internal document. Before we go any further and we got these calls, who got the incredible idea at Caspian to go to the site to snoop around, not hack it, just look around and find their classified documents of this governmental quasi-private group setting up this racketeering takeover, how did you get in and get this, tell about some of the other secret documents you got?

KA: Well let me tell you Alex, what I think one of the most disturbing parts of this whole thing is that here are the people who reassure us that we can trust them to put these tagging devices in everything we come in contact with, that we can trust them because they are going to use Internet security, and this is actually a quote from one of their documents, their public relations documents out to the public saying hey, what about security isn't that going to be an issue when you put RFID tags in everything and you're tracking everything through the internet through these massive databases, their response has been “you don't have to worry about that, we've got security under control, Internet security is very strong and very powerful.”

AJ: …as you go their website…

KA: .. all of the data will be protected, so I go to their web site, you go right to the front page of Auto ID Centre.org, right there you will see a little search window, you can type in words you want, and it, well now they've cleaned it up, they've sanitized it since yesterday, but for many months and potentially even years you could type in whatever you wanted and you would get access to their internal documents, these people do not have a clue about security, they do not have the first idea about how to protect their own sensitive information…

AJ: Katherine, now they're going to tie us all into this grid, they're the people, this same grid, these same companies, Wal-Mart and others that if pushed for the social security numbers as an identifier everywhere now, they admit that has caused the proliferation of identity theft, and now they're opening a bigger Pandora's box and they'll offer more tracking and tracing, and… I mean this is incredible…

KA: I have to say the amount… I mean the idea of leaving these bozo's in charge of my personal data being collected on me every I went through RFID tags is enough to send chills down me my spine. I'm not just talking about massive corporations or government entities that might want to use it against me, but I'm talking about, you don't even have to be a hacker to access this kind of information, any criminal could go online if they had everything online and you know, downloaded anything that wanted about you, this is nuts, they don't know what they are doing, we can't trust them with our security, they are dangerous, they are dangerous because they don't see the future they are creating, they are dangerous because they don't take reasonable, even common sense precautions, even to protect their own selves, which clearly they have an interest in that.

AJ : A criminal can also scan box cars, warehouses, homes and find out what you've got inside, they admit a lot of these can transmit over distances between 2 feet and 100 yards, this is what I've read in the mainstream news and remember this all come on the heels of the Total Information Awareness Network getting announced by the convicted felon Admiral Poindexter with their all seeing eye logo of the pyramid and the Pentagon said everything you buy, you sell, you email, what you say, will be put in this grand database, that's a quote and, now you've got Ridge and these documents meeting with them, you go to their public meetings and they say we've got to get Homeland Security to be behind this and pushing it, tell us about those secret documents please…

KA: Well the quote I wanted to read to you about Larry Kellen said, “if we get a declaration from Homeland Security that this is the step that we need to take to protect the food supply, that's the step that will move this technology forward”…

AJ: We're already hearing that out of Ridge.

KA: …and that was in reference to item level tagging which means putting remote tracking devices on every item in the food chain.

AJ: You said you've got shoes that already have this in it.

KA: That is correct, I was sent these shoes by someone who purchased them in Hawaii of all places, she got concerned because she saw this tag on them and sent them to us. Now the company that manufactures these shoes, we've not yet by the way X-rayed the shoes to find out if we have a tag in there, if anyone has access to an x-ray machine and would like to volunteer it to us you can find us online at www.nocards.org

AJ: Well, you're up in Harvard country, I'm down in Texas, my dad is a dentist and oral surgeon, I've got skull x-rays that will scan those nicely.

KA: Well hey Alex, I'll send them you're way. You can post them on your website, you can be the first to get the information out about whether we've found tracking devices in shoes or not.

AJ: Be sure and insure that, I will call you when I get off air and give you the address to send it to. I will within a day of getting those will have them x-rayed, and then you want me to dig out with tweezers the chip itself and maybe scan that as well?

KA: Well you know, it will be interesting to know what exactly they have put in there, and again for your listeners who may have just tuned in and missed that portion, I have in my possession a pair of size 7 Soho shoes, these are women's sandals, in an extruded, a kind of foam plastic, on them there is an attached tag that says “www.footstart.com attention our products have theft detection devices embedded that will be deactivated at the register or the service desk”. That could simply be an electronic, or some other type of electronic article surveillance device, it could be an RFID chip, at this point we do not know. What we do know though is that this company in China has contracted with manufacturing plants in China and that they are putting RFID tags or RFID like devices in to China and importing them here. So we want to get to the bottom of that. But that again is a big question mark, let me get to a few things that are certain from this website and from the documents that we have. One of them, the Auto ID Centre has said going through four phases of testing out their RFID technology, the first and second phases are now complete, they are now in the middle of phase 3, and phase 3 is item level tagging among other things, meaning putting them into individual items, seeing how consumers interact with them, seeing how the stores and readers interact with them, seeing what happens when they try to read many dozens of things at a time on a shelf in a store. Here are the products, I hope that we do get a transcript of this, because I would like this to be made public. Here are the products that being tagged currently, it says summer of 2003:

Proctor & Gamble is tagging Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo, its says Cape Shoe factory Iowa City DC, that means Distribution Centre. So Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo coming out of there may well be tagged. Gillette Mach 3 16 pack, Right Guard aerosol deodorant 10oz cans, that's coming out of Chicago. Unilever a major consumer products company produces these products that will be tagged Liquid All Detergent, Caress Soap, that is coming out of Baltimore. Johnson & Johnson is tagging Care Free, I'm not sure what Care Free is, also Bedtime Bath out of Olive Branch. Kraft Foods is tagging Maxwell House coffee and Kraft Cheese Slices out of Fort Worth and Coca Cola is tagging 2L bottles of Coke, and then it has a comma and it says 8 pack tray, that is out of Cleveland Tennessee, it says bottler there.

Now when I look at another chart from their internal documents it says, Caress Soap 6 pack, Pantene Shampoo 750ml bottle. On the right it says Wal-Mart running vertically down between all of these products, they are all being tested out at Wal-Mart right now. It says unit and case aggregate, that would mean that potentially they are talking about back room supplies in the warehouse, and next to it is the concern, the shelf read, shelf read means putting the individual products on the shelf and making sure you can read each individual product. And here's something that has me the most concerned, Coca Cola, it says shelf and floor read, now floor readers I think are one if the biggest concerns we face with this technology Alex, because it has already been demonstrated through research that has been done associated with the Auto ID Centre that these reader devices can be embedded into floor tiles and carpet, meaning that if, and by the way the read range on these, the read range really doesn't go down about 20-30 feet unless you put a battery in it or unless you hack around a little. The read range is typically about, I would say between 5-10 and 15 feet , in that area, but the more powerful devices have a shorter read range in some cases. Now if you can put RFID tags into shoes, and if you can get away with hiding them in shoes and you have radio devices in floors, then there just went away your read range problem of 20-30 feet to track people, you simply put down a mat at the entrance of your store or wherever it is you want to track people and you take a read right off of their shoes.

AJ: In the Washington Post article last year, and Paul will you dig these up and post them in the story when we do a transcript. They said that pressure plates will read what you are buying, tiny cameras, and I know somebody at UT who works for the CIA in the psychology department, Department of Defence funded. It's all about retina readers, that read like Blade Runner type movements in the eyes that get your psychological read off something you read on a package, and it talks about scanning and tracking you and the store said that they already have this in the stores in New York is what they said, where you go in, you buy something, next time you come in they face scan you, they know what you bought last time, or if you're wearing the RFID it reactivates it and then they can custom tailor things to you, did you hear about that?

KA: Well you know that's really the idea to find ways to custom tailor things to individuals to identity them, I have…

AJ: …That's what they claim on the surface, yeah.

KA: I have in my possession a prototype loyalty card that actually contains within it an RFID tag that can be read right for your purse, backpack or wallet…

AJ: Well they had the ID in that a few years ago, where the guy, you they think he's stealing food, he's putting it in his jacket, he walks out and the security comes over and says “Sir, your receipt”

KA: Exactly, well in that case though the reader device in the doorway has read the products that he's carrying and presumably also read some identifier of him so that those products could be deducted from his payment system, whatever that is.

AJ: That's an IBM Ad for this new chip, Credit Card. Paul Watson any comments as to what she's saying.

PJW: Yeah, we actually had an article on prisonplanet.com last week where one of these RFID tags was actually discovered in women's underwear, so we've got all of these products on top of each other, but the question now I want to put to Katherine is about Benetton, because we know that Katherine led a successful campaign against Benetton to boycott Benetton against putting RFID tags in clothes, but we recently had an article out of the RFID Journal which is the main propaganda organ of RFID where Mauro Benetton actually stated that his company were ongoing with the tests of RFID and that original back down against that successful campaign was just a smokescreen.

AJ: Yeah Katherine, that question and then also the quotes here out of the news where you have the documents quote “neutralizing opposition, pacifying consumers”, answer his question and then mine please.

KA: Well let's see, the issue with Benetton is that Benetton I think was astonished at the speed and power of the firestorm that consumed them when they made the announcement that they were going to be embedding RFID remote tracking devices in clothing labels. Now that is absolutely over the line, I think everyone who heard the story agreed, they were inundated with press requests from as far away as Tasmania, I was on Swedish public radio, we've been featured in Australia, all over the world people went nuts when they heard about this. Now what I did not realise at the time apparently is that Mauro Benetton, a member of the Benetton family is also deeply involved with a company called Lab ID that is developing and promoting this label tagging technology, and so apparently our boycott against Benetton caused a big family rift in the Benetton family, this is what I have been told from inside sources, that Mauro Benetton had apparently put in about 15 million dollars to developing this RFID tag technology and investing in it, and was going to apparently use his families company, Benetton as one of the first examples of bringing it to market, and when the rest of the Benetton family had heard what had happened right in the middle of this firestorm, they said, you know what, I don't care what you have invested we are pulling back from this, this is dangerous, we are going to get clobbered…

AJ: I don't care if they pull back, Benetton. We must target them just like Smith & Wesson when they tried to do this sneaking anti-gun move a few years ago. I don't care if they sell it, what they do, we must salt the earth, anyone, Wal-Mart everyone, we must boycott them 110%, all of them.

KA: You know who I want to call for the biggest boycott of all against, is Gillette! Gillette is one of the most despicable companies I have ever come into contact with in working with this technology. I personally was in a Brockton Wal-Mart, this is another story I'll give you a little exclusive on here. I went into the Brockton Wal-Mart after reading in the Boston Globe a few weeks ago that they were going to begin their shelf level tagging tests the following week, so I drove an hour or so down there to get to this store, I went into this store, it was in a predominantly minority community, that was the first thing that struck my notice, so that for example if people felt that their privacy had been violated there wouldn't be a whole lot of Manhattan lawyers potentially shopping there to sue them…

AJ: Yes, disenfranchised groups are always tested on first.

KA: …and I had several lengthy conversations with a family who spoke Spanish, I'm also fluent in Spanish, they were also fluent in English, so we conversed in both languages about their concerns about this technology. I was interacting in that store, I was there for over two hours I spent a great deal of time in front of that shelf, I even purchased a disposable camera at Wal-Mart and I took photographs of that shelf which I now have in my possession. Now the astonishing thing to me is that given that there has been 110 media reports or Google hits on Brockton Wal-Mart and RFID, when the Brockton Enterprise newspaper ran a front page story on these smart shelves being in the Brockton store they back pedalled, they removed the shelf over night and they claimed they had no intention of doing any such tests and they did not know what she was talking about.

AJ: That's absolutely amazing, Paul Watson comments, then we're going to calls…

PJW: Yeah, we've got a big picture on PrisonPlanet.com of the 6” sign at Wal-Mart saying RFID is for your safety. Another thing I want to mention is that Katherine was talking about the Google hits on the term RFID, I wouldn't be surprise if they actually changed the terminology for that because we've seen that before with Total Information Awareness being changed to Talon and then Lifelog…

AJ: We see even…

KA: Paul, that's an excellent point can I jump in here?

AJ: Sure.

KA: One of things we uncovered in this strategy document by Fleischman Hiller was that they actually toyed around with the idea of calling these Green Tags, safer, better, smarter something like that. Actually promoting them as this wonderful thing that is somehow going to make the world better. And you know, I saw that and I thought that is really, that is such a stretch, and you know I really hope they do something like that because it means they would take a public splash, they would take this public and believe me the public will be on them like white on rice.

AJ: That's really stupid because Green Tag is something even easier to get across to people, RFID is kind of a hard concept. I want to go to Joan, Bob & Bill, I going to give you each about a minute on the other side with our guest Katherine Albrecht, and give you out her web site as well, I want to thank you for joining us Paul Watson.

PJW: OK, thanks Alex.

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AJ: Katherine, what about the website for Caspian, how can folks visit the website and get more informed?

KA: You can find us online as www.nocards.org , we are “no cards” because we originally started fighting supermarket cards, which are just a drop in the bucket compared to the data you can collect with RFID. You can find us online there, you can also do a Google search under Caspian, we usually come up as the first or second hit on that search, you can find us there easily if you remember we are called Caspian. My email address is kma@nocards.org.

AJ: OK, let's take a call, quickly callers. Thanks for holding, Joan in Florida you're on the air.

Joan: Hi Alex, out of the regular newspaper Tampa Tribune, “our opinion”, it was June 15, so they can go www.tbo.com and research this article. “Our opinion, new science of radio tag threatens privacy”, and it also talks in here in on this about this tag card could be tracked based on where and when you drive your car…

AJ: Wow, give me that article and please email it to Katherine. So Tampa Tribune saying it will be used to tax cars, already happening with a little bit more sophisticated transponder in the San Francisco Bay Area. Interesting Katherine.

KA: Yeah. Absolutely, and you know the limits that what this will be used for are just the limits of the human imagination, if they can find a reason for collecting the data, this technology will enable them to do it. Alex, you talk about a number of other concerns about illegal immigration, about police brutality and other issues, and no matter what your concern is, envision that the people doing the oppressing have access to this technology and you will see why this affects all of us no matter what your freedom issue or your personal issue, no matter what it is, RFID will take that issue and bring it to a whole new level of bad.

AJ: Amazing.

KA: I've got a document here in front of me I quickly want to tell you about Alex before we get off the air here. This is the Department of Defence applications of Auto ID, and this is a Mr Kimble from the Auto ID who was speaking at a meeting
AJ: They're going to make the Iraqi's wear it!

KA: I'd like to read you something here, Mr Kimble describes four projects which Department of Defence is pursuing related to Auto ID. Most of these are pretty innocuous, the Department of Defence needs to the know the location of materials at all stages of it's lifecycle, the final one, this is the one that the editors Mr Kimble knew on some future applications including a telepathy tag, such a tag does not exists, nor can we guess at how it might work, but the point is that Department of Defence is careful not to go down a course of action that precludes adoption of new technology when that technology becomes feasible. A telepathy tag, what is that?

AJ: It's insane, really quick Bob in New York, thanks for holding.

Bob: My training is in electronics, and there is a device called the Degausser, a stick or a degaussing device that's used in the picture tube industry or TV set industry, if you just search Degaussing coil on the internet I'm sure you'll be able to find it, you just can't use that device around any electronics or it will blast it, it will blast out those RFID tags.

AJ: Thanks for your call.

KA: Anybody listening please go to our website at www.nocards.org, we need you, we are organizing local chapters, join us, hit the feedback form and please sign up.

AJ: Katherine, that's great, I'm going to call you after the show.

KA: Absolutely.

[END] *Many thanks to Martin Gammon for transcribing the interview.

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Listen to the audio file of this interview at http://www.prisonplanet.com/albrecht_07_08_03.html

RFID Strategy Docs Leaked

A US consumer group opposing the rollout of RFID tags has grabbed a bunch of documents from an RFID industry site and mirrored them, in what it says is an attempt to expose the industry's intended publicity campaigns.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/070803rfid.html

RFID Privacy Dustup

There were also research documents and presentations marked "confidential" that addressed public perception of RFID and strategies to allay fears, inform consumers and set public policy.

http://www.line56.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=4797

Goodbye bar codes: Packages with transmitters on the way

Razor blades and medicines packaged with pinpoint-sized computer chips and tiny antennae that eventually could send retailers and manufacturers a wealth of information about the products - and those who buy them - will start appearing in grocery stores and pharmacies this year.

http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/ap_transmitters07092003.htm

Mirrors of the Auto-ID RFID docs

http://cryptome.org/rfid-docs.htm