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Justice Dept. Demands News Site Server Logs
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
November 10, 2009
Declan McCullagh reports for CBS News that the Department of Justice sent a formal request to Indymedia ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day. A grand jury subpoena required the independent news website “not to disclose the existence of this request” unless authorized by the Justice Department. The subpoena and gag order represent a new level of government intrusion into the operation of a free press in this country.
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The subpoena issued by U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demands a transcript of “all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us” on June 25, 2008. It required website administrator Kristina Clair of the Philadelphia-based Indymedia website to “include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information,” including email addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers’ Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and other information on users of the website.
Clair told McCullagh and CBS: “I didn’t think anything we were doing was worthy of any (federal) attention.” She called the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco and the organization agreed to represent her.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation has noted a number of problems with the government subpoena, including that it was not personally served, and that a court order is required for the server logs. Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney at the San Francisco-based EFF, noted the Indymedia does not store its server logs.
Indymedia, short for Independent Media Center, is a global participatory network of journalists that report on political and social issues. It originated during the anti-WTO protests worldwide in 1999 and remains closely associated with the global justice movement, which criticizes neo-liberalism, and its associated institutions. Indymedia uses an open publishing and democratic media process that allows anybody to contribute, according to Wikipedia.
“If you get a subpoena and you’re a journalist, they can’t gag you,” Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, told McCullagh. “I have seen any number of these things withdrawn when counsel for someone who is claiming a reporter’s privilege says, ‘Can you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general’s office’… I’m willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking.”
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The government does not consider Indymedia — or the alternative news media as a whole (including Infowars and Prison Planet) — as legitimate news organizations. The corporate media does not accept the notion of “citizen journalists” and has consistently criticized bloggers.
In 2004, the DOJ sent a grand jury subpoena demanding information about who posted lists of Republican delegates to the GOP convention in New York. An Indymedia hosting service in Texas received a subpoena demanding server logs in relation to an investigation of an attempted murder in Italy.
Obama promised “change” during the election. However, as the latest effrontery to the First Amendment by the Department of Justice reveals, nothing has changed and the Obama administration intends to continue the unconstitutional policies of the Bush administration.
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November 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I am surprised the thought Nazis have not forced Alex to do the same.
Joe Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
Willy Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Makes me wonder why ANY web site in the alternative media would log IP addresses. It’s very simple to turn that off. Apparently Indymedia doesn’t even have the logs requested, but I know for a fact PrisonPlanet keeps their logs, just waiting for the feds to swoop in when they see a comment they don’t like. It’s already happened a few times before and of course Alex rolled over without a fight.
There are no laws that say any web site has to maintain logs of all visits, yet Prison Planet does. Someone should call Alex and ask why that is. Does he want the gov’t to have access to the identities of his visitors? Because your IP address can be used to identify you with your ISPs cooperation.
Dummy Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Interesting comment Willy. I agree with your general sentiment about this place…..talk about a honey pot for CIA to gather info on people!
As for this specific case and the Department of Justice. My guess is that if they want to know what everyone had for breakfast that day, or if they want their most sensitive banking info, it is all easy to get. This ‘request’ for traffic logs could be a ruse to con people into thinking big brother isn’t so intrusive. He is.
daveb Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Aren’t too many real Americans left who just don’t care what the CIA thinks of them.
We need more cowboys, not more mice.
They know where I am. Evidently, I am of no interest to them. They could have picked me up.
They had no problems kidnapping those folks in Italy.
Oh, did I say “kidnapping”? I am sure I meant to say “inviting.”
Screw the spooks, and screw the mice.
Dave Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Doesn’t make me wonder for very long. It’s pretty easy to come to a conclusion, when you understand that radio DJ who encouraged violence was a CIA plant.
Quantummonkeybutt Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 7:21 am
“…I’m willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking.”
After Those Incompetent Fu&%s Let The ‘911′ Traitors Just Walk Away Scott-Free, I’ve Pretty Much Come To The Above Conclusion On EVERYTHING THE DEPT. OF JUSTICE ATTEMPTS TO ACCOMPLISH, THE WORTHLESS A$$WIPES!!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar.....idejob.htm
(‘911’ AN INSIDE JOB)
QMB
Express
Yourself
November 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
a film about nwo veri-chip and the coming forced chip implantand cop media you got to watch this and pass it on – resist the mark of the beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmvCFd866R8
November 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
People should stop asking questions, the government has our best interests at heart.
TJ Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Are you freakin’ kidding me?!! People should never STOP asking questions! As for the government having our best interests at heart….time to lay off the crack pipe,bro!!!
November 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
HISTORY-CONSPIRACY ARTICLES AT: http://www.domenk.wordpress.com – > IF YOU WISH TO KNOW SOMETHING NEW!
November 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
What happened on June 25, 2008?
Dave Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 12:28 am
The US Supreme Court rules in Exxon Shipping Co. v. Baker that the damages awarded in the Exxon Valdez case were excessive and reduces them from $2.7 billion to $507 million.
http://afp.google.com/article/.....GpuNXDQCcg
November 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Its like the titanic hit the iceburg and is sinking fast and instead of getting in the lifeboats yall are bitchin at each other, the ship is not coming back up people. margarita island is full of opportunity cheapest cost of living in the world, 4 cent a gallon gas free health care no taxes, no hurricanes, all food is organic by law. for more info check out http://www.escapethestates.com I have plenty of references from people I have moved down here, jump on the underground railraod and find out what it is like to live in a country that has alot more freedom then the united states. Put your money in a different currency and get out with it and dont look back. soon the dollar will be worth nothing, then you are stuck like a turd in the toilet. thanks for listening, if you need help contact me, My wife and I have plenty of knowledge about living here on margarita island we moved here 3 years ago with 3 small children and 3 dogs. We had to get our kids away from the toxic foods and environment. We can help you escape the states no matter what situation you are in,
November 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Dont know if this will come through. There a few interesting point in the news on that day.
http://www.maplandia.com/news/2008/june/25/
November 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
This is EXACTLY why EVERYONE should use VPN. There is an excellent one found at thefreevpn.com to surf anonymously and leave no IP tracks at all. Also handy for CC transactions too. ISP’s can NOT store or monitor your web surfing activities at all! This is the only way you can defeat police state tactics that invade your privacy. There are many free and paid VPN programs available. DO IT NOW!
If you live outside the police state of the United states of Washington DC Inc. you can access blocked US news sites too!
November 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
The want the details of visitors to a certain site on a particular day. Interesting; they must be after a whistleblower.
Pffft. Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
They can want them. There are legal formalities to getting them that must be adhered to. Indymedia’s lawyers would know more about whether or not those legal requirements have been met. If not, it’ll go to court and be thusly decided.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
nothings going to work until we take to the street and start burning shit. this is our only chance of winning. They will bring the fight to us, but on their terms and they have allready started, we need to do what they do and preemtively stike them for our own protection, we can atleast do it for the kids.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Alright that does it. My computer just went offline, rebooted twice, and went back online. Then my cellphone also rang with two audible chirps that I didn’t know it could make before, not my ring, it didn’t even ring, it chirped, and when it did, I had an opening header before the Windows login screen when it booted up, I caught a very brief glimpse of something that said these letters…ECHnSa and then the screen went black and then went back online. I am now being monitored I fear.
I am taking the film and the camera and the case immediately after I type this, along with this computer, and am going to sledge hammer all of it up in pieces small enough to fit into my smelting oven. I am scared schitless about this. My computer has never done this before, until I posted about this film. Alex, I think you have CIA or someone else watching and monitoring this site.
The film and camera and case no longer exist and neither do I nor this computer.
Goodbye.
al Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
do not fear. they have made their list and checked it twice. we are all it. do what you want when you want. you should have seen what they did to me for reporting chemtrails. this too shall pass……………………….911 12 sandi/al/army
November 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Quotation from the article:
“The government does not consider…Infowars and Prison Planet…as legitimate news organizations.”
Because Infowars and Prison Planet are NOT legitimate news organizations. They are propaganda factories, heavily slanted, whose “journalists” principle resource (exclusive in most cases) is the very, very unreliable internet. Paul Joseph Watson mostly quotes his own articles in his stories. Look at this very article: Steve Watson actually uses the line, “according to Wikepedia.” How laughable is that.
PrisonPlanet and InfoWars isn’t news, it’s personal interpretation based on Google searches and YouTube videos. The overwhelming majority of “news” stories published on PrisonPlanet and InfoWars were written by authors who never leave their computer chair to investigate the subject. A few point and clicks and “Bam!” the Watson twins have their “news story,” which, of course, is little more than personal interpretation and opinion. I see idiots on this website decrying television because it “brainwashes the masses,” but the internet, especially sites like this, is this generations television.
dfia Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
What’s amusing is when (and it happens a lot on PrisonPlanet/InfoWars) an author of an aritcle aks a question as his headline. To write a legitimate news article, the author should have a solid foundation of knowledge about the subject. Thus, an author demonstrating ignorance and uncertainty, especially in the headline, makes the author look like an idiot and ruins the reliability of the subject and “news” story.
red pill Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Have you ever studied history?
There is no such a thing as a legitamate news when owned by corporate interests.
Your so called real news organizations such as CNN, new york times, BBC, etc. are even more biased than here and have a documented history of “reporting” lies and fabrications going back over 100 years for organizations such as the new york times.
There is only propaganda and each source claims theirs as being real.
Go study the history of the newspapers and the press. You will see that all these so called legitamate and “real” news corporations are just as corrupt as the politicians and the rich thieves and are nothing but shills and “legitamate” mouthpieces of those who are in power.
Today, the so called “real” news sources are nothing but entertainment and lies and the US press is just as corrupt and full of lies as any other country, including China and others who officially censor the press.
Actually, the US has an official censor called the US government who does not allow reporting of any truth from the illegal wars it runs, in the name of “state secrets” and “decency”
There is other official censorship in the press as well, not printing pictures of real violence as “protecting the children”, but it is really to keep people from seeing the truth as if they did, most of the state funding of violence would stop and put all these thieves out of business.
It is laughable for someone who believes the lies of the mainstream press to say their source is the truth and anything else is propaganda. What you don’t realize from the years of programming and lies and propaganda of the US school system is that the truth is that the mainstream press is the “alternative” and “speculation” and is the one that is full of lies and propaganda with no basis or facts in the reporting.
Let’s go back on the mainstream press reporting of any major story in the last 50 years and we will see that they just report the lies of those in power and support that and history has shown that all the mainstream press reporting were lies and were not the truth. just look at their reporting of lies of the food and nutrition industry. Pretty much everything reported by the mainstream press about food and nutrition has been proven 100% to be false in the last 5 years.
I find it pathetic that people like you come here to say your lies are the truth. It just shows how deep inside you know the bullshit fed by the mainstream media are lies and that is why you are here attacking us. Go back to CNN and believe in green shoots and all the lies about wars and such. Why don’t you go back to your plasma TV and watch CNN and believe everything is getting better and the FED is here for our benefit and Obama is the “peace” president and the wars in Afganastan and Iraq are holy and patriotic?
We don’t want or need you here. If we did, we would go read the lies on CNN.
fdagf Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Quotation by red pill:
“It is laughable for someone who believes the lies of the mainstream press…”
“I find it pathetic that people like you come here to say your lies are the truth.”
Please indicate where I posited that I believe ANYTHING. You can’t, of course. That is your (incorrect) presumption. Typical Alex Jones lackey: you believe things that aren’t true and you use other bad behavior to justify bad behavior instead of accepting personal responsibility.
its all planned Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:11 am
zionist money has bought everyone and everything.
red pill Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Have you ever studies history?
There is no such a thing as a legitamate news when owned by corporate interests.
Your so called real news organizations such as CNN, new york times, BBC, etc. are even more biased than here and have a documented history of “reporting” lies and fabrications going back over 100 years for organizations such as the new york times.
There is only propaganda and each source claims theirs as being real.
Go study the history of the newspapers and the press. You will see that all these so called legitamate and “real” news corporations are just as corrupt as the politicians and the rich thieves and are nothing but shills and “legitamate” mouthpieces of those who are in power.
Today, the so called “real” news sources are nothing but entertainment and lies and the US press is just as corrupt and full of lies as any other country, including China and others who officially censor the press.
Actually, the US has an official censor called the US government who does not allow reporting of any truth from the illegal wars it runs, in the name of “state secrets” and “decency”
There is other official censorship in the press as well, not printing pictures of real violence as “protecting the children”, but it is really to keep people from seeing the truth as if they did, most of the state funding of violence would stop and put all these thieves out of business.
It is laughable for someone who believes the lies of the mainstream press to say their source is the truth and anything else is propaganda. What you don’t realize from the years of programming and lies and propaganda of the US school system is that the truth is that the mainstream press is the “alternative” and “speculation” and is the one that is full of lies and propaganda with no basis or facts in the reporting.
Let’s go back on the mainstream press reporting of any major story in the last 50 years and we will see that they just report the lies of those in power and support that and history has shown that all the mainstream press reporting were lies and were not the truth. just look at their reporting of lies of the food and nutrition industry. Pretty much everything reported by the mainstream press about food and nutrition has been proven 100% to be false in the last 5 years.
I find it pathetic that people like you come here to say your lies are the truth. It just shows how deep inside you know the bullshit fed by the mainstream media are lies and that is why you are here attacking us. Go back to CNN and believe in green shoots and all the lies about wars and such. Why don’t you go back to your plasma TV and watch CNN and believe everything is getting better and the FED is here for our benefit and Obama is the “peace” president and the wars in Afganastan and Iraq are holy and patriotic?
We don’t want or need you here. If we did, we would go read the lies on CNN.
November 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Like they don’t have mine already. I write nearly every day to those bastards in Congress telling them how fucking pissed I am at them. Not that they read them, but there is a chance that at least the NSA trolls are reading them! Fuck em, this government has no authority over anyone anymore.
November 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
What the hell is legitimate news anyway. In this day and age, we get most of our info from only a few sources. No one is practicing legitimate journalism. I think bloggers are more like the newspapers of old then newspapers are today.
red pill Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Historically, there has always been a tension between news media on different political viewpoints.
The bloggers are different today as now anyone can have a voice, where in the past, you had to buy a newspaper to do so.
Each source is legitimate in its own ways and it is up to each individual to determine which is closer to the truth.
It is a complete fallacy to believe that the so called mainstream “journalists” are unbiased and are not reporting political content, whitewashed by the politics of the editors and the corporate and political interests of the owners and advertisers.
It is funny as how these liars of the mainstream press are getting angry that people are not believing their lies and going elsewhere for the facts. It is their own fault for writing half truths and lies and propaganda so people don’t believe them anymore.
If we look at history, those who are most within the system are the ones who are further from reality and the truth and this includes all the so called “journalists” who dominate the mainstream press.
All of the mainstream press are owned by the corrupt wealthy and you cannot have a press that reports anything near the truth when this is the case. Historically, the press has been a propaganda machine for the narcissistic egomaniac who owned the news company and it is true today. It is just that today, somehow each one thinks it is reporting something close to the truth and gets angry when people point out that most of what they report are lies and the interpretation they want us to believe, rather than the actual facts of the event.
The mainstream press do not report any facts. When was the last time a legislation passes and they reported the facts of what was in it? It is always reported with the point being to tell all of us the interpretation to believe and presented as facts, when it is nothing of the sort. To tell us “things are getting better”, rather than present the facts and let us decide for ourselves what that means.
It is so funny how threatened the people in the mainstream media are about other sources which report the facts, rather than the fabricated conclusions. The mainstream doesn’t like people to make up their own minds about thinks and are angry they cannot control everyone as easily as those idiots who like others to tell them what conclusions to believe.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
November 10th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Another nail in amerika’s coffin…….
November 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Indymedia and EFF
vs
DOJ Political Appointees
Homeland Gestapo Police State
Likud Joe Lieberman and Bibi
Backlash Neocon AIPAC
Projection much?
November 10th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Just more names and addresses for the secret govt death lists. Thanks Justice Dept for the betrayals.
November 11th, 2009 at 12:22 am
The Idea of Liberty is Great, but very few people today are willing to do what it takes to reclaim it. We must realize that there are no foreign troops invading our nation and attempting to conqure it. What we do have is a few people that pull the strings behind the scenes thus controling Govenrment on most levels.
This fact has been in place for many years and came to fruition in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve. With the passing of that act and the Income Tax we have been turned into slaves of the Government and the Banks.
It is now time to Revolt and Free ourselves!
First we must end Payment of all taxes to the Federal Government.
Second we must develop an Honest banking system.
Those 2 steps may sound extreme but it has to happen. States must step up to the plate and remove the power and athority of the Federal Government. The Fed will attempt to punish the states for this thus the taxes that would be paid to the fed should be given to the states to support this effort.
All State national guard troops must be call back to defend the state from the Feds Agression.
All Militia must be activated and ready to defend the State. ( if your state is not willing to make a stand move to one who does )
None of this will be easy or painless. Lives will be lost but the Tyranny must end! Freedom is not free and Thomas Jefferson said, ” When people fear the Government there is Trranny, when the Government fears the people there is Liberty”. He also said that “The tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants”.
What Say You? Will you Stand for Freedom? Will you Fight? Will you support those who do? Or will you sit idley by as you are slowly enslaved?
We Have talked, writen, yelled, protested, and demanded a redress of grevances from the Elected Representives that do not represent. We have tried to get them to Honor their oath and they refused.
There are 535 Oath Breakers out there that have all Comited Treason against the Constitution. Some outright some by assocation. But all equally Guilty and must be tried!
If you witnesed a crime commited and did nothing to report it you are guilty by association, So are they.
Therefore they must all be arrested and given a fair trial. We the People must do this! 2010 will not matter because the same strings control the system.
The Federal Government must be restricted to its role spelled out under the Constitution. We the People must force the states hand in geting this done!
The Republic has fallen, Patriots Rise up Every day longer we wait the worse it will be!
http://msmilitia.ning.com/ Join the American Militia! Fight for Liberty! Fight for Freedom!
Long Live the Republic Death to the New World Order and all who choose their side! The answer to 2009 is 1776!
November 11th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Over many years we have all been lied to by our Governments, but not just our Governments but many religous leaders. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false prophets. If you are a truth seeker please visit the following web site and take the time to read some of the articles, you will be shocked.
http://www.2besaved.com
Blessings
Ben
November 11th, 2009 at 2:58 am
JESUS SAVES THOSE WHO SAVE THEMSELVES..NOW GET OFF OF YOUR JUMBO SIZED ASS AND GET BUSY,,,
November 11th, 2009 at 4:40 am
This is why i use TOR along with a LIVE LINUX PUPPY CD.
No hard drive in the computer.
OS on CD and a save session for my 16 gig thumb drive.
If i hear loud bangs at my door this thumb drive is going for a ride in a microwave oven set for popcorn.
November 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
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