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Large Hadron Collider to be launched Oct. 21 – Russian scientist
RIA Novosti
Tuesday, August 5, 2008
MOSCOW, August 5 (RIA Novosti) – The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator, will be officially unveiled on October 21, a Russian scientist said Tuesday.
LHC is a particle accelerator that will smash together opposing beams of protons to explore the validity and limitations of current particle physics theory.
“The collider is to be inaugurated on October 21,” said Alexander Vodopyanov, of the Integrated Institute of Nuclear Research. “This means at least one test-run of proton beams around the accelerator ring will be conducted prior to inauguration.”
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The scientist said all eight sections of the collider’s large ring had been cooled to temperatures approaching absolute zero. An experimental run of a proton beam through one of the sectors could be carried out as early as this week.
The $5.8 billion international project at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, known by its French initials CERN, involves more than 2,000 physicists from hundreds of universities and laboratories in 34 countries.
The accelerator complex, 27 kilometers in circumference, sits in a subterranean tunnel about one hundred meters below the Franco-Swiss border, near Geneva, Switzerland.
Once it is up to speed, it is hoped the collider will produce the so-called Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and “missing links” in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.
Some theorists and members of the general public have long voiced fears that microscopic black holes may appear as a result of the experiment, capturing surrounding matter and ultimately leading to the destruction of the entire planet.
However, scientists have consistently dismissed these allegations as “ridiculous” – even if a microscopic black hole did form, they say, it would only last for a fraction of a second.
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August 5th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
When they fire this collider up, Jesus is going to pop out and say, “All right g-damnit, that’s IT! You people just won’t leave this shit alone, will you. That’s IT! Everybody up against that wall…..”
August 5th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Who knows, maybe this is what is going to open the door for him to pop in.. Who’s to say it isn’t already in the plan? The goal? Our levels of accomplishment.. The game winner.. Creating another universe from scratch… BOOM!
August 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
If Jesus does come back I hope he brings a baseball bat and cracks some fucking heads. We have, collectively, been very naughty since he was murdered and I hope he is pissed. First stop? THE WHITE HOUSE! Severe ass beatings for Bush, Rice , Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
August 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Now that Astronauts Ed Mitchell and Gordon Cooper have confirmed that UFO’s are real, and also that the military has been covering it all up. Last week senior Nasa official, Clark McClelland, opened up a brand new can of beans!
McClelland revealed on his website that he saw an 8 to 9 ft tall alien on his monitor that was in the shuttle cargo bay communicating to two astronauts. McClelland also said a UFO was locked in orbit with the shuttle while this event was taking place.
This information confirms the astounding revelations of prophet Linda Newkirk regarding the extraordinary events of Revelation 12 that she has been going through, that are now about to come to a close.
You can find the links at;
http://www.hismailroom.com
August 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Okay Mark . You have now convinced all first time visitors
to this site that we are all nuts .
Mission accomplished . So call it a day .
Been to the site you posted . You must have spent a while searching for something this “kooky” to post.. I am sure you will get the Bosses attention on this one . Maybe the people you work for will
earmark you for the “last to be housecleaned ” list .Good job
my true and faithful servant .
As for the article in question . Most physics folks know by now
they are chasing their tail trying to prove the ” Standard Model”
They build these things ; which cost a lot of rubles ; for other reasons .
August 5th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Swell. I feel so safe and happy now that CERN has assured us there’s absolutely no danger even though that really isn’t the case. Non-CERN scientists (with no vested interests in the LHC) who have done private risk assessments studies on their own have come up with results indicating that CERN is probably not telling the full truth in its eagerness to play with its gizmo-packed and very-very-expensive new toy.
If CERN screws up, it really and truly has screwed up royally. CERN gave us the internet which was pretty nice of them and now it gives us who-the-hell-knows-what which may turn out to not be so nice of them.
An in the meantime, Brookhaven, Sandia Labs in New Mexico, and various other places that the public has more-or-less knowlege about, have been engaging in activites that are questionable in their safety. And those are what we know about. Who knows what’s going on in private labs in secrecy. Or in countries like China that don’t normally like to share facts about what they’ve been up to. If any of them totally screw up, they’ve screwed up for the entire planet.
You don’t actually need a collider to create black holes. All you need is a technology that can create a high enough compression level and a whole lot of stupidity and a severe lack of common sense.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
SPEECHLESS….VERY SAD…
August 5th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
@Steve Williams
“Swell. I feel so safe and happy now that CERN has assured us there’s absolutely no danger even though that really isn’t the case. Non-CERN scientists (with no vested interests in the LHC) who have done private risk assessments studies on their own have come up with results indicating that CERN is probably not telling the full truth in its eagerness to play with its gizmo-packed and very-very-expensive new toy.”
Oh, say it ain’t so Steve! Come back from the dark side!
“You don’t actually need a collider to create black holes. All you need is a technology that can create a high enough compression level and a whole lot of stupidity and a severe lack of common sense.”
Please Steve, think about it for a second! What is a “black hole”? Theoretically, it is an exceedingly small, but hugely dense object, that has incredible gravitational attraction due to it’s MASS, a gravitational attraction that results in light not being able to escape the event horizon.
However, gravity is dependent on MASS, and is VERY VERY WEAK. That is why the mass that makes you up is not enough to “suck” nearby people into orbit around you. The masses involved are just TOO small.
The same can be said for the Large Hadron Collider. It will be dealing with TINY amounts of mass, so that even if they were able to compress the masses involved into a sufficiently small area and form a black hole, it would not have enough mass to do any damage.
We are talking about an event horizon far less than the width of an atom! One could pass right through you, and you would never even know it.
Not only are such tiny black holes purely theoretical in the first place, but the only possible way for one to be created at CERN requires that one of several competing string theories, rather than the currently accepted physical theories, would have to be true.
THAT is why some scientists HOPE such a black hole will be created, because it would be evidence for their string theory and overturn the current theories.
Unproven theory, layered on unproven theory, then misused by ignorant laymen is behind this “CERN is going to kill us all!” bull. The same holds for all the other “dangers” being touted around. They are ALL based on theoretical objects that can only be possible if other theories (namely string theories) are true. Creating them would prove the string theory involved, and nothing more.
The chances of the Earth being destroyed or even damaged by a subatomic black hole (a more accurate description) created at CERN are so mind-bogglingly small that for all intents and purposes, it is impossible.
The people making these claims, are the same kind of people who doubt AGW. They don’t really know the science beyond what they have read in a few pop-sci books, and have decided that they know more than the people who have studied and planned for this for virtually their entire careers.
It’s anti-scientific claptrap, with religious undertones, that is trying to paint science as nothing more than man defying god and eventually leading to our doom.
Don’t fall for it. Please!
By the way Steve, CERN didn’t invent the Internet, that was DARPA. CERN was merely the first major organisation to adopt TCP/IP as a networking protocol in Europe.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:19 am
@Everyone, especially the editors.
Why is this LHC article, dated Aug 5th, posted, when the following article, dated Aug 1st, is not?:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.....143345.htm
“In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn’t shine.”
Even if you DON’T believe in AGW, surely you HAVE to see this as being a good thing (energy independence for example).
So why has it not showed up in the Science & Technology section of Prison Planet? Does Prison Planet have an anti-renewable energy bias? Could THAT be why they keep posting bullshit from fossil fuel company paid liars and deniers?
In fact, is Prison Planet itself in the employ of the fossil fuel companies?
Want to know something that the headline sort of obscures? The discovery has NOTHING to do with solar power! It is ACTUALLY a new process to split water into hydrogen and oxygen with small electrical inputs. Does that sound interesting to anyone? How about a water powered car?
I just don’t understand why what could possibly be the biggest energy breakthrough in a long time has had ZERO attention here, yet stuff like this LHC article and bullshit blog posts from idiots gets reprinted here all the time.
In fact I even referred to this event with a link to the MIT press release a few days ago, assuming that Prison Planet just hadn’t heard yet.
I’m really starting to wonder.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Karmakaze
I am somewhat disappointed I have not received my daily
berating as to my “Standard Model” comments from below .Please review again and respond . I have come to the conclusion
that being called a “Retard” in your post should be worn as
a “badge of honor “.
August 6th, 2008 at 9:49 am
We will never know, which one will last for
a fraction of second, black hole
or our planet
August 6th, 2008 at 11:15 am
I’d feel a whole lot better if a really, really severe official risk assessment study had been done by those who had no vested interests in the LHC so there won’t be any conflicts of interest.
I’ve been following along about what’s happening with the LHC for several years now, and I have to say it makes me nervous. I give a sigh of relief every time its going online gets set back because of technical problems.
Hawking’s theories get put on a pedestal and worshipped and exalted as The True Word (which CERN has done). But theories are just theories, and not necessarily the truth about how the real world actually functions. Hawking himself has said about some of the theories he’s had that he was wrong and then has given an updated, corrected versions (as far as he knew them) of his theories.
Kiddies lacking any appreciable degree of common sense who are playing with hyper-compression technologies make me cross my fingers that nothing goes wrong. Here’s hoping like hell that CERN doesn’t horribly screw up creating black holes that run amok because they don’t do what Hawking thought they might do. Or that CERN ends up creating strangelets that are just about as dangerous.
If nothing gruesome happens, that’s fine with me. I won’t be bitterly complaining. But when it comes to hyper-compression technologies, one has to tread extremely carefully. If the LHC experiments were going on in interstellar space, I would be a whole lot less concerned. But CERN doing this on our planet makes me a bit queasy. If months or a few years later seismologists discover there’s something very odd going on in the core of our planet, what do we do then? Stick our heads between our legs and kiss our sweet asses goodbye? It’s all we can do then as there would be no way to fix the problem.
I keep thinking of the comment of Bill Zane made as his character in the movie Titanic of “The Titanic is unsinkable! God himself couldn’t sink the Titanic!” as being about the same as CERN telling us, “Don’t worry! Be happy!” (Insert blissninny happy face here.)
………
Bwahahaha! The darkside! Technically speaking, everything is the darkside as the actual color of electrons is black and the actual color of the photons they emit is black. That we seem to see different is really an optical illusion created by our brains interpreting the information sent to them from our retinas. A photon traveling with such-and-such a frequency is interpreted as green although the color of the photon itself is actually black. Yes, the actual color of that red apple is black. A yellow banana is actually black. An orange is really black. Every single person on this planet has an actual skin color of jet black. (Which makes people giving themselves airs and affectations that they’re superior to someone else because of “skin color” pretty silly as the actuality is that everyone has the exact same skin color as everyone else: absolute, utter jet black.)
“Luke, I am your father… Join me in the darkside…”
“Nooooooooo…! Daddy-dearest, what are you talking about? Everything already is the darkside.”
I can’t help but snicker when people rant on and on about light and dark and how different they are, when the actuality is they’re exactly the same. Light is a useful and fun optical illusion, but it’s still an optical illusion. An optical illusion created by our brains as they interpret the black-photon frequencies striking our retinas.
………..
Kids, just say no to not treading very, very, very carefully when it comes to hyper-compression techologies.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
@Rev. JimBo
“I am somewhat disappointed I have not received my daily
berating as to my “Standard Model” comments from below .Please review again and respond”
Oh, I see your problem. You think I call people retards for nothing. I wasn’t going to say anything about that statement, but just for you I will.
“As for the article in question . Most physics folks know by now
they are chasing their tail trying to prove the ” Standard Model””
Now, why do YOU think I am not calling you are retard for saying that? What do you know, it’s because that statement is TRUE. In fact physicists quit trying to “prove” the Standard Model a LONG time ago, because they KNOW it isn’t “true”.
You see, the Standard Model can not explain everything we are observing. For example it can’t tell us what happened at the moment of or before the “Big Bang”, or what happens inside the event horizon of a black hole. So the physicists are NOT trying to “prove” the standard model, but are in fact at most trying to improve it, and more realistically, further disprove it.
That’s why I didn’t call you a retard for saying that. Your reasons may be wrong, but the statement itself isn’t.
“They build these things ; which cost a lot of rubles ; for other reasons”
Exactly. They don’t build them to “prove” the standard model, but to “disprove” it. They also try to see if OTHER models, like string theory can be supported, for example by having string theory predict one thing and the standard model predict another.
In this case the standard model says it is impossible to make a subatomic black hole in the LHC, string theory says it IS possible. So if one is made, that supports string theory, and if it is NOT that is evidence that string theory is not yet capable of replacing the standard model, if ever.
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See how that works? If you don’t say something retarded, I won’t call you a retard.
“I have come to the conclusion
that being called a “Retard” in your post should be worn as
a “badge of honor “.”
And there you go ruining it. Retard.
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@NG
“We will never know, which one will last for
a fraction of second, black hole
or our planet”
Actually, we ALREADY know. As I explained, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a black hole that small to do ANY damage, no matter how long it lives.
Gravity is a function of MASS, not size. In most cases, the physical size of something is far larger than its Schwarzschild radius, and the mass present is NOT enough to overcome nuclear forces, and thus no black hole can be formed. If you somehow crush that mass below that radius, a black hole forms.
However it’s gravity is still only as strong as its mass allows. Thus the Schwarzschild radius for the masses involved is TINY – far less than the radius of a single atom. So, YOU have more gravitational attraction than such a tiny black hole.
YOU aren’t ripping the world apart are you?
And, all that assumes that such small black holes are even possible, and making one at CERN requires that the standard model be wrong, and that some other theory, notably some string theories, be right.
So, one theory has to be right, for the other theory to even be tested, and then that theory has to be right for a subatomic black hole to be formed, and even THEN it will be extremely short lived and exceedingly weak.
It’s complex stuff, but I can assure you the people working on it a FAR smarter than you.
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@Steve Williams
“I’d feel a whole lot better if a really, really severe official risk assessment study had been done by those who had no vested interests in the LHC so there won’t be any conflicts of interest.”
There is really no point. The basic MATHS disproves it. There is just not enough mass in a sub-atomic black hole for its gravity to overcome the Earth’s gravity, let alone the strong and weak nuclear forces binding atoms together.
Like I said, YOU have more gravity, and YOU aren’t ripping the world apart, are you?
A black hole doesn’t create gravity. It is simply a mass compressed below its Schwarzschild radius. To grab the basics from Wikipedia:
“It is the radius for a given mass where, if that mass could be compressed to fit within that radius, no known force or degeneracy pressure could stop it from continuing to collapse into a gravitational singularity.”
“The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to the mass. Accordingly, the Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3 km, while the Earth’s is only about 9 mm, the size of a peanut.”
“An object smaller than its Schwarzschild radius is called a black hole. The surface at the Schwarzschild radius acts as an event horizon in a non-rotating body. (A rotating black hole operates slightly differently.) Neither light nor particles can escape through this surface from the region inside, hence the name “black hole”.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius
Notice, that gravity does not INCREASE, what happens is that the Schwarzschild radius is usually vastly smaller than the physical space occupied by the mass, and so the distance from the mass at which the acceleration due to gravity is greater than the speed of light is buried deep within the mass, and thus can not form (some of the mass is outside the radius, causing the radius to be smaller, which puts more mass outside, and so on)
So, unless you are saying that everything we know about black holes, including our very definition of what one is, is wrong, the feared “disaster” just CAN NOT HAPPEN.
If the standard model is right, and none of the string theories are, then to make a subatomic black hole would take an accelerator 1000 LIGHT YEARS around to generate the energy required. That’s why I say this is highly unlikely to even occur. Currently accepted theories say it is impossible, and doing so would be a revolution in physics.
“Here’s hoping like hell that CERN doesn’t horribly screw up creating black holes that run amok because they don’t do what Hawking thought they might do. Or that CERN ends up creating strangelets that are just about as dangerous.”
If Hawking is right, they won’t even appear. If he’s half wrong they will appear and live for microseconds if that, if EVERYONE is totally wrong, then they will appear, live for ever and do no damage.
IF everything we know about physics and the universe around us is wrong, then maybe a few atoms will lose their electrons or some protons or something. THAT is the “threat”. Same for all these other unproven exotic particles. The energies involved can not create DANGEROUS versions of them. At the best we will create the weakest ones possible, and at that level you wouldn’t even know it until they announced the discovery months or years later.
“I keep thinking of the comment of Bill Zane made as his character in the movie Titanic of “The Titanic is unsinkable! God himself couldn’t sink the Titanic!” as being about the same as CERN telling us, “Don’t worry! Be happy!” (Insert blissninny happy face here.)”
If they had put as much time and brainpower into designing the Titanic as has been put into the LHC, let alone the physics around it, the ICEBERG would have sunk, believe me.
We are talking about the culmination of centuries of physics and the combined brainpower of the smartest people ever to live on this planet. I trust them before I trust ANY internet conspiracy theory, by a long mile.
The LHC didn’t just pop into existence. It is the result of a very long period of small incremental steps, where we learn the limits a bit at a time, pushing them out at a rate they feel is not only safe, but useful. No point in making a huge collider if we can’t even contain the energies involved, for example. So this isn’t some giant leap, but just our baby steps have finally got us to where we think some of the fundamental questions might be answered.
“Bwahahaha! The darkside! Technically speaking, everything is the darkside as the actual color of electrons is black and the actual color of the photons they emit is black.”
Actually Lucas was a lot smarter than he ever realised in that respect. Colour is just the word we use to denote “the frequency of the energy emitted in the form of photons”. Matter emits ALL frequencies of energy, its just that it emits a lot more of some frequencies than others. White is defined as a mixture of all visible colour frequencies, and thus all matter is actually white, it’s just that we are swamped with the dominant frequencies and only see those.
Photons, on the other hand, ARE colour, rather than HAVING colour, so it is linguistically speaking accurate to say they are black (defined as “an absence of colour”), but it is like saying that water is wet. That is a given.
“I can’t help but snicker when people rant on and on about light and dark and how different they are, when the actuality is they’re exactly the same.”
Ah now, you see they actually aren’t. In fact in the physical world the only “darkside” is a black hole. ALL matter gives off ALL frequencies of energy, its just that the dominant frequencies are determined by things such as temperature etc. So maybe 1 in a trillion photons given off may be “green”, but it still gives off “green” sooner or later, even if the matter appears to be “black”.
Guess what? Hawking has shown that even a black hole gives off radiation… so even THEY are not really “black”.
“Kids, just say no to not treading very, very, very carefully when it comes to hyper-compression techologies.”
They have been, and for a very long time too. It’s the anti-scientific fools that want you to believe otherwise.
Now, when I was referring to the dark side, I was more implying the “dark ages” – the time when science was ignored in favour of religion and mysticism and basically bullshit. I see this happening more and more nowadays, and it depresses me. That’s why I asked you to come back from THAT side
August 6th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Karmakaze, please take one of your gravity boots off, so that one foot may stay Earthbound!
August 6th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Forgot to say, light and darkness are not the same, as darkness cannot cast a shadow of light… Maybe you should be studying Silly String Theories… The absurdity of some of your statements are only dwarfed by your total and utter belief that you are absolutely correct. I hope that is black and white enough for you!
August 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Meant to say “Anti-gravity”!
August 6th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
@General Zan
“Karmakaze, please take one of your gravity boots off, so that one foot may stay Earthbound!”
I have no idea what you are talking about. You appear to be saying that I am talking crazy or something. Care to elaborate?
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@General Zan 2
“Forgot to say, light and darkness are not the same, as darkness cannot cast a shadow of light…”
Umm, yes, I know? isn’t that what I just said?… Yes, it is! See:
“White is defined as a mixture of all visible colour frequencies, and thus all matter is actually white”
And:
“black (defined as “an absence of colour”),”
Then again, I’m not even sure that is what you think you are talking about. I didn’t expect to have to give reading lessons as well as science lessons. The education system nowadays is woeful.
“Maybe you should be studying Silly String Theories…”
You seem to have those well in hand, so I’ll leave such retardedness to the experts like you.
“The absurdity of some of your statements are only dwarfed by your total and utter belief that you are absolutely correct.”
Ok “General” prove me wrong. I dare you. It will be hilarious seeing you twist in the wind. Come on, I double dare you!
“I hope that is black and white enough for you!”
You seem to have no idea what either of those are, so no, it’s not enough. Evidence! Get some, post some, and we’ll talk about it. Otherwise you are just another ignorant retard.
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@General Zan
“Meant to say “Anti-gravity”!”
Funnily enough, I knew you meant that. Still you have to admit it looks pretty retarded, eh?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Why can the speed of light be considered a constant, when light can easily be swallowed in a black hole, and/or perceived by one heavenly object/body moving against another, each having their own measurements, yet accelerating to or fro each other, thus giving relative percepts? Subatomics will have varying results in regards to external influences such as, mass velocity, magnetic properties, gravity, vacuum/pressure etc, and thus my reason for responding to your “Common Model” observation… Silly string is cool, you aught’a try it sometime, and Lighten Up, and “Start” casting shadows why don’t ya… Maybe its light thats evil, isn’t light 6 hundred billion 6 hundred million 6 hundred thousand some MPH(666)? or should we go by the metric system, oh holy one?
August 7th, 2008 at 5:27 am
“Why can the speed of light be considered a constant, when light can easily be swallowed in a black hole, and/or perceived by one heavenly object/body moving against another, each having their own measurements, yet accelerating to or fro each other, thus giving relative percepts?”
You are getting into Relativity here, which is pretty well proven for a theory. The reason a black hole is black is because the gravitational attraction at the event horizon is so strong, that you would have to be going FASTER than the speed of light to escape it, and as nothing can go faster than the speed of light (or at least accelerate through that speed limit) light itself is unable to escape.
As for the closing speed issue, which is another thing altogether, that is due to relativistic effects. I believe it is special relativity that covers it, so doing a search for that on google should give you good answers. It’s not really relevant to this discussion so that is up to you.
“Subatomics will have varying results in regards to external influences such as, mass velocity, magnetic properties, gravity, vacuum/pressure etc”
Well, if you are talking about Quantum scales then yes, it’s all different. That’s one of the reasons the standard model is not good enough – what string theory and other such theories are trying to do is unite these two regimes into one consistent theory that explains it all, rather than several separate theories that only apply to a subset of reality.
The fact is, the individual theories are the best we have at the moment, and the closest to “truth” we can get. Subatomic black holes are also called “quantum mechanical black holes” because the rules that apply to them are different than the larger ones we are familiar with, but not THAT different. Quantum effects come into play in a big way, and in this theoretical case ensure that the black hole can not survive very long. If we make one, it will be gone in a burst of energy faster than you’d ever be able to detect yourself.
“Silly string is cool”
Enjoy then, I have far more interesting things to do
“Maybe its light thats evil, isn’t light 6 hundred billion 6 hundred million 6 hundred thousand some MPH(666)?”
No, it’s around 670,616,629 miles per hour (That’s six hundred and seventy million) but yes, there are three sixes in there, well four, but that doesn’t make it look evil…
“should we go by the metric system, oh holy one?”
Well, it is the better system – less retarded.
So the speed of light is 1,079,252,848 kilometres per hour.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
maybe it will open a black hole and suck us all in. Yee Ha!!!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
it will break and be restarted in 2012. (wink, wink)
August 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
@brad
“maybe it will open a black hole and suck us all in. Yee Ha!!!”
Well, I wish it would “suck” some of the retards around here in, that’s for sure. Too bad it won’t, even if we do manage to make one.
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@brad 2
“it will break and be restarted in 2012. (wink, wink)”
Just in time to “suck” Planet X in and save us all!
August 7th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Save us from planet X’s 32 foot tall Human Flesh eating Aliens that are about to harvest earth to fill their food coffers for the next 3200 years? Looks like we’ve been fattened up just before the slaughter… I wonder if Micky D’s is Alien owned?