Mark Roberts: 9/11 “Debunker” or just Dishonest?

Arabesque: 9/11 Truth
Thursday, Aug 7, 2008

Mark Roberts is most well known as a 9/11 truth “Debunker”. One of the more common statements that he repeatedly makes is:

“The 9/11 “Truth” movement has made a few hundred significant claims in the past few years, none of which have been true. Don’t believe me? Then name a significant claim that you get right, and prove it.”

I’d like to take up this challenge. While it is true that 9/11 activists have not always promoted credible information, it is also true that the official story is obviously problematic. I could sit here all day poking holes in the official “conspiracy theory” as many have done, but I will just ask Mr. Roberts three easy questions:

1. Name one single person fired or reprimanded within the U.S. government (FBI, CIA, NORAD, FAA, NSA, or Bush Administration) for the 9/11 attacks.

2. NORAD is responsible for air defense. Mr. Roberts, how many contradictory explanations did NORAD give for their failure to intercept any planes on 9/11?

3. It is an established fact that NORAD is responsible for air defenses and no planes on 9/11 were even intercepted despite the fact this is standard procedure.

“Consider that an aircraft emergency exists … when: …There is unexpected loss of radar contact and radio communications with any …aircraft.” —FAA Order 7110.65M 10-2-5 (6)
“If … you are in doubt that a situation constitutes an emergency or potential emergency, handle it as though it were an emergency.” —FAA Order 7110.65M 10-1-1-c (7)

Despite this fact, how many days later was the man in charge of NORAD promoted?

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Answers:

Zero.According to testimony given to Congress: not one single individual within the CIA, FBI, and NSA has been reprimanded, punished, or fired for the events of 9/11.
Three contradictory versions. Senator Mark Dayton claimed that NORAD officials “lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people.”
3 days. Richard Myers, in charge of NORAD on 9/11 was promoted 3 days after the attack.

Assuming that Mr. Roberts can answer these questions correctly, why isn’t he a member of the 9/11 truth movement? I am at a loss, unless he believes that it is acceptable for NORAD to change their story three times without a criminal investigation to take place, no one to be fired or demoted, and Richard Myers, the person in charge of NORAD on 9/11 to get promoted 3 days later.

As I explained,

To believe in the 9/11 “official story” is to believe in a massive, coordinated, and “coincidental” failure at many levels in which those most responsible for preventing the attacks were not fired or reprimanded and instead promoted.

I wonder why Mark Roberts and other apologists for the 9/11 official story never go near facts such as these? I’ll have to assume it’s because they can’t be “debunked”.

40 Responses to “Mark Roberts: 9/11 “Debunker” or just Dishonest?”

Heimlich Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Mark Roberts is a tour guide. Nuff said.
randomguy Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 7:26 am
The problem with “truthers” is that they asked questions like the three you’ve asked in this article which don’t actually prove a conspiracy.
Don’t look at answers to tangential questions as proof of a conspiracy, find some actual proof and then maybe people won’t dismiss you as whackos.
BeTrueSeekTruth Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Here’s the problem with the disinformation operatives “arguments”.
911 IS a conspiracy no matter who engineered it. The government report attempts to prove the conspiracy based on strongly biased premises. 911 Truthers are not wackos just as all new yorkers are not CIA agents or Fascist supporters. There are a small percentage of New Yorkers who fall into those categories but that doesn’t convey accurate truth about the group. The president said the attackers did what they did because they hate our way of life and our freedom. If this was true, why has the President and the rest of the government been so hard at work to wreck the economy and suppress our freedoms? Should we conclude that they are in alignment with the wishes of the terrorists or that the terrorists are more powerful than our governmental servants. Are the terrorists out sourcing our jobs? Are the terrorists forcing our children to take debilitating vaccinations> Are the terrorists killing our troops with depleted uranium? Are the terrorists putting local farmers out of business with their phony scares and legislative restrictions? Did the terrorists draw up operation Northwoods, project for a new american century and the plans to deploy US troops in fake Iranian boats to fight other US Troops do sway public opinion for war? Are the terrorists behind the EU, NAU, NAAFTA etc that eviscerate sovreign nations from the inside and profit only the multi national corporations and bankers? It seems to me that even if the Governments conspiracy theory regarding the 911 events were true that they are carrying out the terrorists wishes on a scale far greater than they could have ever hope for.
Chris R. Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Arabesque is a very talented disinformationalist(and no, not just because he thinks 77 hit the Pentagon and is a main stooge over at disinfo site 911b). much of what he says is common sense and true(like this article), but that old equation about disinfo being 95% fact and 5% bullshit couldnt be more apt here. you have to provide the sugar along with the poison, just a warning. and to randomguy, plenty of videos exist of that day(except the some 85 videos being held back by the Pentagon for some strange reason. and the videotapes confiscated by the FBI of nearby hotels/gas stations. im sure they had a good reason for that right randomguy?), and they tend to support the theory that the buildings fell as a result of something more than fire and “jet fuel”. particularly WTC7. sadly much of the evidence was immediately shipped overseas for scrap as im sure you’ve heard. firefighters were outraged, along with any other citizens who actually heard about it(but you trust big media right random?). do your homework, along with that clear evidence of a problem there is a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence that 9/11 was much more complicated than 19 patsies with box cutters and dumb luck. not to mention the 9/11 COmmission, which any highschool student could sit down and study and dismiss it as a blatant cover-up. Zelikow co-wrote a book with Condi Rice and served on the 2000 Bush/Cheney transition team. he had final say of what did and didnt make it into the report and in what context. you clearly have no knowledge on the subject of 9/11, and certaintly no knowledge on the 9/11 Commission. time to either study up or stop being so goddamn gullible and naive.
Chris R. Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:35 am
investigate Dov Zakheim for 9/11.
BillO Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 10:14 am
The people who argue against 9/11 truth are either insane or have a vested interest in not seeing the truth come out. I propose that when the truth is widely know and accepted, that these traitors citizenship is revoked, all of of their ill gotten wealth is conficated and used to make ammend’s to the parties injured by 9/11 and it’s consequntial crimes.
When you support and help the criminals that perpatrated the event, you become an accessory to the crime.
BeTrueSeekTruth Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Those who attempt grade school slogans and bullying to prop up the official Conspiracy theory are just parroting lame arguments that they have not vetted for themselves. In order to get to the truth about anything, you need to go into it with a level of detachment. You also need to go into it by leaving your ego and current beliefs at the door becuase if you truly want the truth, you have to realize that you’re only seeking what you don’t have at present. Disinfo operatives, both voluntary and paid, don’t realize that the tenor of their arguments betrays their intent. I would say 95% don’t have the patience required to be really deceptive liar. You see, to be that effective, you have to learn the truth in order to convincingly twist it to achieve any degree of believability. In other words..you disinfo guys have a lot of work to do. At the point you’re at now, you are coming across as embarrasingly transparent.
mrcuda Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am
“Heimlich
August 7,2008

Mark Roberts is a tour guide. Nuff said.”

And Alex Jones is an obese.. what does he again?
Oh right, rant into a microphone. Nuff said!
rafmad Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Randomguy,
people are encouraged to think of those who dismiss the official fables as “whackos” regardless of the actual body of evidence against those fables. There is a huge amount of evidence which is simply ignored by the mainstream media and that’s the way the game works. Truth has very little to do with it and in that sense we haven’t really moved on very much from the times of the Inquisition. I think the real problem is that we are trapped by our own cultural past to accept that which is false as truth. Seen in that way the “whackos” are really the passive majority.
TruthgoneWild Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Randomguy (aka Mark Roberts) the official story is a “conspiracy theory”. Where’s the DNA that proves the so called hijackers were who they say they were? The little goon from popular mechanics stated there was DNA… Where is it? Where did they get their blood to test against? If the case is closed why are the 80 tapes not available to the public? Like you morons state time and time again; “if you have nothing to hide what are you worried about?” Hiding, lying etc. Is evidence of conspiracy. Look up the meaning of conspiracy, its obvious you don’t clearly know what it means.

You like to play semantics, so lets play.

Definition of conspiracy: the making of a secret plan or agreement to commit an illegal or subversive act

Definition of subversive: somebody involved in activities intended to undermine or overthrow a government or other institution

Definition of institution: somebody or something that has been well known and established in a place for a long time

Definition of somebody: an unspecified or unidentified person

Definition of person: an individual human being

Definition of human: composed of people

It’s obvious that officials met in secret to agree to undermine victim family’s desire for an investigation by not releasing the 80 tapes and DNA proof to the people via the 911 commission report.

There’s evidence of a conspiracy.
overbored Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 11:24 am
What I want to know is how a disinfo pro like Arabésque here get’s a cross-post on PP.

Mayhap, this is a ‘hey look I’m one of the good guys. I made a post against MRoberts and I speak just like you’.

Do the world a favor Arabaq and just slither away.

And Mark Roberts? Who’s that?
Chris R. Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 11:27 am
he works hard for his money overbored……
brad Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 11:32 am
it says a “signifigant claim.” I think they mean things like “Bush did 9/11, and there were bombs in the building,” I got news for you folks, several squibs shooting out of a building is not proof of an explosive. ANd another thing, do some research on that Zogby poll, the one that claims 70% of Americans think the Bush party lied about 9/11. It didn’t say 70% think Bush did it. That poll was paid for by a 9/11 truth group. They tried to word it @ how many think Bush and company did 9/11. They couldn’t get very good numbers like that.
As far as the liquid molten metal scenario goes, it has been proven that there were hundreds(if not more) of power supplies for Fuji Bank and March McClellan’s computer networks. Hundreds of gallons of battery acid, molten lead, and various other battery parts were blown all over the place. When the planes hit the towers, they crashed into the computer rooms. The only conspiracy is how they managed to hit those two places.
There are also many photos showing the floor trusses pulling away. And to top it off, demolition charges make a cracking noise when detonated, not a boom, as they are high velocity to cut.
Anyway, no one here will listen, as I must pe paid by the US government to say these things. You have to understand how much enjoyment the elite get out of these “9/11 theories.” It has to be comical to them.
Chris R. Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
HAHA! Brad says battery acid was the culprit! friggin tool, you are in no way smart enough to be paid by the U.S. government, you’re just a naive useful idiot……
TruthgoneWild Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Brad,

Squibs alone may not prove without a doubt explosions occurred (one must be in complete denial to dismiss this visual proof). But the chemical signatures that have been identified, back up the explosives theory.

Useful idiot, indeed.
Robert Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Oh yeah and that explains WTC 7 crashing down!

Seriously, Willie Nelson isn’t a genius but he noticed that it looked like one of those demolitions in Las Vegas, what with the free-fall speed and all.

I saw the pictures of the molten metal which they carted away while still so hot the trucks had to be sprayed with water sometimes more than once. There are plenty of fire fighters who said their boots melted and they put in enough water “to make a lake.” I have cut steel and heated steel and there is no way that an I-beam could look cut welded at an angle, without being twisted, without something intentionally put there:

http://911blogger.com/node/12620

Thermite isn’t explosive but it can be coupled with explosives to start the reaction. There are witnesses who heard explosion BELOW GROUND.
beagle Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
RE: BRAD

Now that’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard: Battery Acid. It’s been proven? Proven by whom? Popular Mechanics?

That’s like my friend trying to tell me that Iran must be bombed….”It’s been proven that Ahmadinenejad wants to wipe Israel off the map”……yeahhhh….Riiiiight.
John Brown Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
It is a huge leap from the NORAD folks lying to cover there asses, concluding there were bombs placed in the towers, faked phone calls, missiles, Pods, no high jackers and the other whacky theories presented on this site without any evidence. Try watching Mark Roberts interviews and debates. He knows more about 9/11 then any truthers I’ve ever seen.
If the government lies to prevent the tactics of the terrorists from being known, and then later being used again, is that really wrong? For example, there is evidence that high jackers rode planes in the jump seats before 9/11 as fake pilots, meaning they could have had non passenger manifested help on the planes with unknown tools. If there are loop holes in our security that can be exploited, lets keep them secret but work to prevent them from being repeated. IE. If a high jacker on flight 77 got on the radio saying he was a passenger and they had re-taken the cockpit, would the Marine stinger teams still be ordered to shoot the plane down with an airport less then a half a mile away from the Pentagon? If they did that, would you understand the government lying about how easily they were deceived?
If you want to question Mark Roberts, be a man and ask him to debate. Then link that unedited debate on your whacky website.
Steve Williams Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
A total, complete, utter moron who has only a single funtioning brain cell could easily notice that the events of 9/11 don’t even come close to the official government explaination.
Heimlich Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
randomguy: the only whackos are those who repeatedly believe the lies and propaganda spewed by your government. That would include you and the rest of the brain dead drones walking amongst us.

mrcuda: Mark Roberts, your poster child for 9/11 propaganda and lies is none other than a tour guide. It appears all the budget cuts prevented the government from hiring a more qualified spokesman to propagate the official fable. LOL
Heimlich Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Mark Roberts knows shit. He just parrots the official lie and makes shit up to support it. If any of you truth deniers would simply admit that there are holes in the official story and there might possibly be a cover up going on, then you would gain credibility. If you cannot even admit that, then it is clear you are here just promoting the official lie and have no interest in the truth.

Why did Bush try to stonewall an investigation into the worst terrorist attack on US soil?

Why was the debris not tested for explosive residue when numerous witnesses claimed explosions and also many were captured on video?

Why was no one fired or demoted for allowing the terrorist attack to happen? If it was some gigantic bungle then heads should have rolled. Instead many officials were promoted. Why?

Why did WTC7 appear to be a controlled demolition, yet that hypothesis was never even considered?

Many, many more unanswered questions. You would have to be a fool not to at least be suspicious of the official story. 9/11 = inside job? Possibly. 9/11 official story = Cover up? 100% Absolutely CERTAIN.
TruthgoneWild Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
John Brown,

Show me the Terrorists they’re hiding tactics from. Where’s the bus bombings? Where’s the coffee shop suicide bombings here in the U.S.? Oh you’ll tell me the government is stopping these people before they attack now? Now they’re doing their job? There was ample evidence of a coming attack, nothing was done to stop 911.

You’re falling for the boogieman lie like a chump. Check under your bed and your closet for those pesky terrorists before bed time…

911 was done on purpose to take our freedoms and go to war, period. The New World Order is bigger than 911. And truth is bigger than you.
will hale Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
i have a dream,its interesting it goes like this i am a rich powerful individual,i know 9/11 is an inside job,i see the neocons lie thru their collective teeth,i decide to hire professional soldiers to kidnap and waterboard these scum.
i tape the evidence and i expose it on youtube.
the media would say that information thru torture is worthless as a person would say anything to stop the pain.
hmmm scratch that
Chris R. Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
dont bother trying to debate or get a rational response out of John Brown or anybody like him, he is clearly driven by fear. his fear of muslims and his fear of the truth is what shapes his outlook and political philosophy. he is not alone…..
muymalgal Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
come on brad, do YOUR homework, how many injuries due to “acid burns and lead” are you reading about? what i do read is how the first responders are gravely ill or DEAD due to the abestos that was covering the steel beams when they were pulverized into dust when the buildings were demolished. pull your lips from the ass of bush co. and think about your fellow citizens.
overbored Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
“If the government lies” - John Brown

JBrown, and people who think like this, should stop right at the word LIE and not say another fucking thing because they have completely lost all intellectual and moral merit to question anything.

It is so painfully clear what leads from this type of mindgasim. Endless raping of the people for Secret motives and Secret reasons hidden beneath the veil of “it’s for you own good that you don’t know about this”.

Problem, Reaction, Solution
tanabear Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Brad writes, “I got news for you folks, several squibs shooting out of a building is not proof of an explosive.”

Then what is it proof of?

Brad writes, “Hundreds of gallons of battery acid, molten lead, and various other battery parts were blown all over the place.”

Lead melts at low temperature, 621F, and molten lead is a dull grey color. The molten material flowing from the 80-82nd floor of the South Tower was bright orange and yellow.

“…There are also many photos showing the floor trusses pulling away…”

Pulling away from what? The official explanation is that the floor trusses sagged which caused the perimeter columns to be bowed inward. Then global collapsed ensued. This explanation is backed up by nothing.
Jas Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am
The people who promote the “official story” are setting themselves up for quite a fall and it just doesn’t make sense. We could PROVE in a court of law at this point with all the collective evidence that the official story is FALSE. So why do these people ruin their reputations defending this idiocy?

I just don’t understand, but what I do understand is that I’ve met some of the most hardcore debunkers lately who have now HAD TO CONCEDE the official story of 9/11 is FALSE.

WHen I see this many stubborn asses CONCEDING on 9/11, I know it’s too late for those morons who hang onto their lies. It’s going to be quite a funny day when the last of them are forced to admit it.
brad Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
look folks, I don’t beleive the official story, but to say there is proof of ecplisives in the building is taking a big jump. The official story is obviously not correct, but that doesn’t mean all the conspiracy theories are right.
All I was saying about molten lead is that there are other possibilities other than what is promoted here. (thermite) The lead acid batteries were vaporized. I think that is slightly more harmful than asbestos.
muymalgal, Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I like Bush. I didn’t vote. The second I saw the 9/11 footage, I knew something wasn’t right, but that still doesn’t prove anything. Have you folks been in a courtroom lately? Smoke from the sides of a building doesn’t prove a bomb.
brad Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
tanabear, if there were bombs in the building, you would know it. Those towers would have gone in every direction.
brad Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
wtc7 fell backwards, not straight down. The videos you claim are showing it drop straight down are from one direction. There was debris from wtc7 2 blocks behind it. There are videos of the lower 6 or 7 floors burning like crazy in the lower rear section. What do you say to that? go to debunking911.com and look it up.
brad Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
John Brown is right. Should we expose every security flaw in the system, only to be attacked again by whoever?
brad Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
beagle. you are a moron. It is in the NCSTAR report. They were belonged to Fuji Bank in one tower, and March & McClellan in the other. Most large companies have UPS (uninterruptible power supply) battery networks in their buildings. Do a search on goolge and see for yourself. MOst buildings are not adequately set up to handle spills from these batteries. What the f*ck do you think would happen when several thousand lead acid batteries are short circuited all at once, being sprayed with water, (which you shouldn’t do to a battery fire), and covered with jet fuel all at once? It might have something to do with the high temp fires everyone is convinced were fed by thermite. I am not against all these ideas, they should just be looked a little closer. By the way, Paul Bremer is a big shot in Marsh & McClellan. If I was for Bush I would even have brought Bremer up now would I?
Mad Max Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Question for Brad, If heat played such a large part in causing the steel beams to collapse in the WTC buildings, why were WOODEN chairs and PAPER documents obviously visible in every piece of footage from the Pentagon after it was hit? Possibly unleaded jet fuel?
brad Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
madmax, what does the heat in the wtc have to do with chairs in the Pentagon?
Chris R. Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
brad, you think battery acid played a role in the collapses. you are proven to be a fucking moron. keep digging that hole dummy…….
Mystery Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I know some of the conspiracies are out there but I do believe this government had something to do with it not to mention the blackops that said that they were plains just remote-controlled
and plenty of documented evidence that people were being warned to stay off commercial airliners before it happened I don’t know how they did it, I just know they did, cause they have benefited off of it more than anybody else in the world, not our constitution, or the American people or our soldiers or the muslim world which are all dieing and being destroyed, the elite are the problem always have been, the little people in this world need to step up in every country and stop playing the elites game!!
Mad Max Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Brad, It might have something to do with the high temp fires everyone is convinced were fed by thermite.
Mad Max Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Brad, wood and paper burns, steel, like, DOESNT!
Mad Max Says:
August 8th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
G-nite Brad, hope the sand dont get in your eyes, if you ever pull your head out of it.