Memo: 9/11 Commission Witnesses Were Intimidated By Government “Minders”

More evidence of whitewash emerges

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Memo: 9/11 Commission Witnesses Were Intimidated By Government Minders 290409Commission Somewhat lost within the flu pandemic media hype this week is an important new revelation concerning the cover up of the events of 9/11.

A recently uncovered 9/11 Commission memo dating from October 2003, half way through the panel’s investigation, addresses concerns that government “minders” were intimidating witnesses and shaping their testimonies.

The document was drafted by Kevin Scheid, a senior staffer who led the commission’s Team 2, which was responsible for reviewing the overarching structure of the US intelligence community.

Names also appearing on the memo are those of staffers Lorry Fenner, an air force intelligence officer, and lawyer Gordon Lederman.

The memo, entitled “Executive Branch Minders’ Intimidation of Witnesses,” states the following:

Minders “answer[ed] questions directed at witnesses;”
Minders acted as “monitors, reporting to their respective agencies on Commission staffs lines of inquiry and witnesses’ verbatim responses.” The staff thought this “conveys to witnesses that their superiors will review their statements and may engage in retribution;”
Minders’ notetaking “facilitates agencies in alerting future witnesses to the Commission’s lines of inquiry and permits agencies to prepare future witnesses either explicitly or implicitly.”
Minders “positioned themselves physically and have conducted themselves in a manner that we believe intimidates witnesses from giving full and candid responses to our questions.”

The staffers make it clear that intimidation by minders was widespread and had not only occurred with their team’s witnesses.

The memo was discovered by an independent researcher in the National Archives, to which it was added earlier this year.

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The revelations come in the wake of an admission by the senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission – John Farmer – who said that the government agreed not to tell the truth about the events of 9/11.

Farmer’s book about his experiences working for the Commission, set to be released in September, unveils how “the public had been seriously misled about what occurred during the morning of the attacks,” and Farmer himself states that “at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened.”

Farmer’s statements dovetail with those highlighted in an August 2006 Washington Post report, which stated that “Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon’s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.”

The report revealed how the 10-member commission deeply suspected deception to the point where they considered referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation.

These statements and testimonies, combined with the swathes of still unanswered questions surrounding the attacks, confirm that the 9/11 Commission was a complete whitewash and intensify the need to establish a new independent investigation.

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236 Responses to “Memo: 9/11 Commission Witnesses Were Intimidated By Government “Minders””

Reconmarine Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
So let me get this right……..
You guys think they were able to pull off this massive “inside job” that would require the last 25 years of the worlds intelligence agencies to be involved in, but they couldn’t intimate a few witnesses and get away with it?

Doesn’t that seem extremely small compared to everything they would have had to accomplish to get the whole 9/11 attack done?
Same thing with Paul Wolfowitz….He got fired from his most recent job for getting his girl friend a job……..The guy was part of PNAC, according to you nutballs was involved in 9/11, but couldn’t get the girlfriend a job……………..

Please keep reporting this stuff……It makes great comedy

Reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:19 am
intimidate

Frank Sturgis Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
quote: “would require the last 25 years of the worlds intelligence agencies”

Well, that almost was intelligible. Good for you.

You might want to actually cite some actual facts next time you post a comment so you don’t come off like a retard. I suppose in your mind that calling your opposition ‘nutballs’ and an obscure reference to Wolfowitz’s bad behaviour constitutes a logical rebuttal to the facts presented in the article, so it doesn’t surprise me you have swallowed the gov’t conspiracy theory in whole.

It’s no wonder fools like you end being used as tools in wars for profit. Go ‘recon’ the actual 9/11 commission report and some of the comments made by it’s members and you might actually get a clue. While you’re at it, have a look at some videos of building 7 being pulled, or any of the other numerous smoking guns.

Have a nice day, chump. Have fun catching bullets for your traitorous ruler’s profit margins.

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
yeah, the last 25 years. Basically since the fall of Afghanistan from soviet control.
The intel officers from around the world would know if Al Qaeda was fake, meaning they are in on it or like you RETARDED. I’m guessing by their qualifying degrees and experience it’s not the latter.
You can read our world and US history if you want facts cited. its not my job to teach you history or in this case, what the US and our allies involvement in Afghanistan over the last 25 years has been.

Im not the one over simplifying this. You guys are. I don’t think you realize the implications of your theories. Hence your reply. It would require the last 25 years of our people closest to the terrorism fight to be in on it all.

Regarding WTC7- I probably know more about WTV7 then you do.
There is ZERO evidence indicating a controlled demolition. Please provide some.
Ive watched every video, read the NISt reports and haven’t seen jack shit to imply your right….

I don’t catch bullets. If you had the nuts to serve or weren’t such a fat slob looser you could serve and you would understand what were doing in the world and wouldn’t have to reply on conspiracy theory websites for your info and to make you feel better about not being mentally or physically fit enough to fight for your country.

Ive got to go now, but will be back tonight o see all the really really educated replies…..

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
you read the NIST report huh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. and yet you still havent read jones latest paper because you’re waiting on the ‘experts” to read it and “debunk” it for you. hows that going? have you read Debunking 9/11 Debunking at least? dont lie jarhead.

you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:48 am
huh? did i offend you little boy? your silence speaks volumes pussy.

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
by the way little boy, you dont have to sign up to post comments on the site that i told you to go to, you can post anonymously. and did you lie about being in the middle east? where are you? now please, go tell the people at WTCDemolition.com/blog that one of the reasons 9/11 couldnt possibly be aninside job is because Wolfowitz couldnt get his girlfriend a job at the UN. that really is your most hilarious line, and i look forward to you advancing that very line at WTCdemolition.com/blog.

card51short Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Dude he has a great point…9/11 was done by al qaeda.

Why?

Because Paul Wolfowitz couldn’t get his gf a job.

This dude makes such great points he should be like a professor and stuff.

DUDE THEY WOULD TOTALLY NEED THE WHOLE WORLD’S INTELLIGENCE AGENCY FOR 25 YEARS IN ON IT!1!!!!11!1111!

Yet 19 guys with boxcutters led by an old guy in a cave thousands of miles away did it flawlessly

Lol

Hey recon…since you’re always hanging out here with us “nutjobs” and stuff…maybe you can humor me.

What was the most compelling piece of evidence that convinced you bin laden and his 19 buddies did it?

Since you’re certainly not a conspiracy nut like us, you should be able to provide HEAPS of evidence supporting your claim. I’m just asking for your #1 piece of proof.

Thanks buddy!

LOL

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:15 am
so recon you have not one piece of evidence to share with us?

I’m shocked!!! Usually only moonbatty conspwiracy nutz believe stuff without evidence

you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:50 am
so recon, pussy, you still havent challenged anybody over at that site. why? you can post anonymously and dont have to register. you are a huge pussy.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Chris- Im glad your using the word pussy and not little boy…You were starting to scare me…..Your challenge to have me go to another website to ask someone there what i asked you is equivalent to starting a fight and then saying “fight my cousin, hes bigger then me”. Why are you afraid to debate me? Why do you need someone else to do it if your so confident in your theories?

Card51- What evidence?

1) Leading up to 9/11 many different countries intel people were following and probably infiltrated al qaeda. An attack was known to be coming.

2) Phone calls, lap tops, mail and lots of physical evidence gathered before and after 9/11 from Germany to the US showing their collective plans, training and preparation for the attacks.

3) The witnesses who checked the high jackers in at the airport, the other passengers who saw them, the security folks who checked them before they boarded the flights.

4) The 67 phone calls from the 4 planes describing high jackers appearances, tactics, seat numbers, and overall actions on the planes.

5)The hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw the 4 planes crash

6) The DNA recovered at all the crash sites

7) Luggage, FDR’s, engines and other serialized parts found in wreckage

and shit loads more of the same types of things listed above……………………….

Compared to a normal forensic case, there is overwhelmingly more evidence that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks of 9/11 then what is normally used to convict someone or a group of a crime.

you pussy Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 5:39 am
actually pussy, its not. first, you lied, its an internet radio show with maybe 5 listeners. second, i actually have a JOB. foreign concept to you, i know, but i dont exactly have a lot of time to be “debating” psychotic shills on an internet “show”. third, you think my mom is dead and actually make jokes about that, i can take the heat, but even you have to know how low that is. forgive me for not wanting to get involved in any way with a psychopath and cretin like you. finally, pussy, why are you so afraid? why not go to a real 9/11 site like the one i mentioned, instead of prisonplanet to look for debate opponents? why have you STILL not challenged anybody over there? exposed.

recon-depraved Reply:
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
reconmarine-”im a tough guy, you see, i can speak ill of the dead like a true psychopath with no soul(even though, again, shes not dead you disgusting cretin. i feel sorry for you. seriously, no joke, for you to joke about that really is sad and says a lot about your mental stability), but more than that, i jump out of planes! super tough right? and to make up for my tiny penis size, i swim miles in the ocean and wear my marine status on my sleeve! dont look at my groin, look at my roided up arms damnit! i shoot “bad guys” too! i “blow shit up”! im super tough! i feel the need to tell you all this because, again, overcompensation. my therapist says its like a mask. but hey, your moms dead and im not above making jokes about it, i dont care how deparved people think i am(clearly)!!!!” seriously retard, you are beyond pathetic. not only a shill, you really are clearly a sick person. do you beat your wife? does that make you feel tough too? like “blowing shit up” and shooting “bad guys” does? you poor, diluted, depraved man. seriously, i almost feel sorry for you. keep the anger coming, it knows im at least bothering your sick ass.

reconmarines real dad Reply:
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
recon, hows your sister and mom that i fucked last week? your pussy father couldnt do the job so i stepped in. she loved it in the end and now takes massive loads from all the neighborhood crew. your sister thought my cum tasted bad though so i slapped the ugly whore. ut after meeting your pussy dad, i can see why you overcompensate so hard and try and act all tough online, you gotta make up for what youre lacking somehow right little guy? and ii do mean little……..(that anger is telling buddy!)

reconmarine Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Chris with the rotting mom-

Its not OK for me to talk about your dead mom but you can disgrace 3000 Americans by making up bullshit lies about how they died,that your not even man enough to defend? please. Your so fucking dumb it’s not even funny. You probably should be seen by a doctor. The fact that you actually beleive the shit you spew is scary..Most truthers know in the back of their mind that they are wrong. In fact, most dont even know what the official story is but are so sure it’s wrong. How stupid is that?

I mentioned my job description because a dumb ass child was making comments that I dont know what its like to have a real job. Again, and just like you, truthers can’t talk about the bullshit theories so they only talk about me.

You sure do make allot of penis size comments and call me “little boy” often..Are you trying to tell me something Chris? Did the lack of a mothers presence effect your sexuality? It’s ok if it did, not that you have the nuts to do so, but Obama will now let you serve! So, once your able to put down the joy stick and loose enough weight to see your balls, maybe you can join and see how “fake” this war on terrorism is……

I look forward to another reply only about me, nothing about 9/11, and another reply of why you cant debate me on the radio, and how you dont have the time, and your always working blah blah …Translation, your afraid Ill school you and make you look even dumber then you already do….if it’s possible..

reconmarines real dad Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
son, stop being so angry, your tiny penis sixze isnt important to anyone but you. and im sorry i dint hug you more ok? jesus christ, i didnt raise you to be a fucking disgusting psychopath like this, im afraid im going to take it out on mom by blasting her face again. and why havent you shown up to that site yet? still being a pussy huh son? and how many times do you have to be told how to spell LOSE and LOSER. they dont have 2 O’s you retarded little fuck. so dissapointed in you son. i know thats part of the reason you act so “macho” now and overcompensate, but seriously, get over it you littlle bitch. you;re an embarrassment as can be seen here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ri.....legal.html

but seriously, who would want to “debate” a truly sick individual like you anyway? to justify speaking ill of the dead because somebody disagrees with you on who killed those people on 9/11? it doesnt get any lower than that. me and your mother are not proud. the last 3 girls you failed to get to sleep with you are not proud either, and just a tip? your disgusting ways probably have something to do with the “failure” part of that.

BeTrueSeekTruth Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Dear Mr. Retard Con Man Marianne: Your comprehensive skills are reprehensible. I suggest you read something more than comic books er..graphic novels before you again attempt to formulate a pseudo opinion. The connections you attempt to make are fit only for a pcp addled mind operating in a video game reality, not the real world. Hang it up because your disingenousness is showing through like a threadbare towel. And frankly, I don’t wanna look.

Billy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
And yet, it is this exact type of backwards logic that makes this site so popular. You want people to hear your side of the story, but then when you are questioned you immediately use the “tactics” that you so vehemently detest.

This truly is high comedy. Continue on please!

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
You notice how you talk about me and have JACK SHIT to say about the point?

Im sure you’ve traveled through every country in Asia, you’ve been all over the middle east, fought in 2 wars, negotiated with Afghan and Iraqi tribal leaders, jump out of planes miles above third world countries to go rescue some dumb media types that ventured to far off the reservation thinking the threat of Islamic Jihadists was just made up. Im sure your extremely well versed in anti terrorism, Islamic studies, and special operations…

So please, further elaborate on my “comic book” mentality. Tell me why the same people who you think carried out 9/11 can’t do much smaller, less illegal activities with out getting away with that too…..

Ill be waiting…………………….

Ps- My “connections fit only a PCP addled mind”??????
Like when you nuttbags say………..”Osama Bin Ladens Al Qaeda group was once the ARAB Mujahadeen and in the 80’s the CIA, through the ISI, supported the AFGHAN Mujahadeen, so you fucktards drop the Afghan/Arab part and say ” The CIA trained and funded al Qaeda”……Is that a good example of a PCP addled mindset???????

Overcast Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Tell me why the same people who you think carried out 9/11 can’t do much smaller, less illegal activities with out getting away with that too…..

Oh.. but they do. When one does something to ‘upset the balance’ they get ratted out, hung out to dry and made an example of.

It’s mob mentality. They have you do things to ‘be in the club’ (like a frat) – then after you do ‘those things’ – they have something over your head – forever.

The mob managed to orchestrate quite a number of things – how? By layers – many, many layers – the layer under the top, doesn’t know quite what’s going on at the top; only to the degree that they ‘want them to know’ – if you are a marine; you should well know the cliche’ “on a need to know basis”.

So each layer understands what it is SUPPOSED to understand.

See – you can give out this ‘reason’ all you want. But consider one simple thing. Over the course of 10,000 years o human history – except for what – maybe the last 250 years (so they say) – leaders and governments have been mostly tyrannical.

Mathematically – that means that 2.5% of human existence has *possibly* not been under tyrannical rule – if you consider the ‘democratic’ countries. Meaning for 97.5% of humanity’s existence – tyrants have ruled.

But now – Government is ok? Statistically 97.5% of time would disagree.

Just LOOK FOR YOURSELF. Don’t trust a soul here. Go Google “New World Order” – go dig deep. Perhaps you have been to many places but have you seen the Georgia Guidestones in the good ol’ US?

They are on county property by the way – look it up; that county has a property database. Here’s a link to all of it – http://forum.prisonplanet.com/.....#msg385126

Remember – this is on GOVERNMENT property (the county) – they take down the Ten Commandments, but leave that up? Doesn’t that make you wonder at all?

Overcast Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Oh yeah – look up the USS Liberty too – question there is are the politicians lying or 240+ US Servicemen?

False-flag Touch-down JEEEbus!! Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Hey neocon marine, your continuing efforts to induce terror and terrorism while covering up the zionist 9/11 false-flag atacks are somewhat reminiscent of that famous little dutch boy.

False-flag Touch-down JEEEbus!! Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
“Im sure you’ve traveled through every country in Asia, you’ve been all over the middle east, fought in 2 wars, negotiated with Afghan and Iraqi tribal leaders, jump out of planes miles above third world countries to go rescue some dumb media types that ventured to far off the reservation thinking the threat of Islamic Jihadists was just made up. Im sure your extremely well versed in anti terrorism, Islamic studies, and special operations”

LOL, you’re working on a lifelong piece of fiction with retardneoconmarxine as its heroine and no one’s going to stop you.

The Reader Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
The CIA trained the Taliban, not al-Queda and supplied them with weapons to fight the USSR. Now today the headlines read “War effort ramps up to destroy Taliban opium”, but in the 90’s the Taliban had a massive effort to eradicate opium in Afghanistan. This limited the amount of opium in the US during this time, great for America. Unfortunately, after we went into Afghanistan, the production of opium went up 90%. Coincidence? nope. The opium production came out of heavily US influenced areas of the country. The CIA runs dope and always has, the fingers have been pointed.

recon-habitually runs away Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bi.....rdari.html

stop running recon.

Andy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Mr recon, You probably feel that you are special because of your service. Many of us have served honorably in the military and don’t maintain your brainwashed view of our country’s history. My own nation, the good-old USA has been involved in many false flag events through the years. Try reading something other than Stars & Stripes or soldier of fortune magazine and you might see things more clearly. So pretty-please, with sugar on top, STOP the self righteous grandstanding and miserable whining.

Bushmaster Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
He does seem like he has a dire need to try to belittle any info that comes out about 9-11, almost like it’s part of his “job”

Beck smacker Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Its not part of his job, I baby sat thousands of his mind controled lean mean eating machines on board three different amphibs. They are fed this bullshit in training to ensure they kill on command. If you told him that all three year olds in Iraq were plotting to take over the base canteen, he would kill as many of those three year olds as he could to protect his supply of twinkies. They are all bone heads you can not reason with. They will gun down Americans on command. You see a uniform on your property with a weapon, kill him, he won’t hesitate to off you.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:22 am
dude, trust me, even the government would be able to find someone better than reconmarine to head their disinfo team.

He’s just a lonely ex soldier…probably with PTS syndrome with A LOT of time on his hands. He thinks his mission is noble.

The thing is…even if he WAS right (which, of course, is laughable) he would be one of the biggest losers of all time with the amount of time he spends with us!

However, since he is dead wrong and usually makes terrible points, we can all just pity this poor, poor guy

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:14 am
card51-

So, if my points are terrible, can you go point by point proving what i said was inaccurate or like the rest of your allies will you just say “uh, that’s a lie, that’s all lies, blah blah blah” no facts, no detail, just vague replies saying im wrong……..

SmithX7 Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Becksmacker,

There is an extreme to both sides of every argument. For example you think we all allowed ourselves to be brainwashed and our only concern is the order issued to us. Your old enough to know what assuming does. Your remind me of far left hippies with unrealistic dreams of the way the world should be while protesting every evil you find. Everyone is wrong if they don’t agree with you huh?

ZackG Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
LoL! Wow dude! You must really not have anything better to do… you really think you are going to be able to sway the opinions of us “nutjobs” here? hahahaha what an idiot!

reconmarine = no life

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Zack- Its telling when you say nothing about the point and call me a looser…..

Im having fun, I dont give a shit what you think about me…….

Your the one that believes the lies, not me………

Ray Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Maybe you shoudl pay a visit to Veterans for 911 Truth http://v911t.org/

ZackG Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
because all you do is come on here and call people idiots… just because no one thinks like you do doesn’t mean they are…

whatever man have your fun… I’m done wasting my time trying to rid this place of assholes…

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Zack- It’s not that you dont think like me, its that you dont think at all……

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
its spelled “loser” not “looser” you fucking jarhead. you should know. learn how to spell if you;re going to come here and be an arrogant prick. way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Peaceful American Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Reconmarine: Can you provide some examples to further elaborate upon your claim that “pull[ing] off this massive ‘inside job’ . . . would require the last 25 years of the worlds intelligence agencies to be involved”?
I’ll keep an open mind here, and listen to what you have to say on that.
Your comment about how Wolfowitz can’t possibly be involved in 9/11 because he couldn’t get his lady friend a job is built upon weak logic. It’s like saying that a NASA flight engineer is incapable of getting into a car accident. Just because a person accomplishes something on a large scale does not mean that smaller scale events become easier. And if that’s truly a hangup for you, that you can’t believe there was a cover-up because some chump couldn’t get his lady a job. . . you must be ignoring the VAST amount of evidence to the contrary of the Official Theory.

I’m not sure if you’re into reading, but if you get a chance, look up “Debunking 9/11 Debunking” by Prof. David Ray Griffin. What a fantastic book, thoroughly researched and documented. It’s tough to argue with.

card51short Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
recon why do care what “nutjobs” online think? You KNOW the truth, right? So who cares what us kwaaazy people think?

You’re obviously a very smart person who was a war hero who killed 10349308 of dem a-rabs.

And now you battle online in cyber rooms all day with people you think are crazy

Truly an American hero. Thanks for you service sucker!

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
why havent you gone to wtcdemolition.com/blog to challenge the people there to a debate yet? why are you such a giant pussy? seriously, all you do is hit and run. you say you want to deabte then you run like a bitch and fail to show up at WTCD. you pussy.

Noktirnal Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
@Recon:
This comment is from someone who does serve.
I t is difficult to make an intelligent reply to such an unintelligent post.

LipMcNip Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
They always let the get away with the HUGE stuff but nail them on the little things…when they want to nail them.

Has nothing to do with whether or not they are able to pull something off or not. That is the way they work.

standing bull Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
I think the only thing your comments proof is that your an Moran imbercile , unable to
deduce fact from fiction as your posting indicates . I could give you 50 reasons why there is reason for scepticism but I won’t because you will be just as stupid as before, besides its bedtime goodnight recon fool

Sirreal6 Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
yup..and then days later alciada broke into that us military base, stole anthrax and mailed it to media moguls and democrats..no factional govt involvment there either

KS Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Hey Mr. Marine. Can’t really say if you’re really one, but that’s irrelevant.

I just came across this piece of information and noticed your heated debate.

It is fairly easy to get lost in the wilderness of contradicting stories about 9/11 and Zionism and Al-Qaeda and who is telling the truth and so forth. Resorting to insults will not help (and this goes for everyone else as well).

Let me give you a tool for beginning to discern your life and the choices that you have been led to believe were correct and true.

First, you have to clear all the things you have been taught. Otherwise, you will have no chance of getting to the bottom of your own mind and figuring out what is going on.

1. You are a human being. Your mind is yours.
2. No other human being has any natural authority to tell you what to do.
3. Everything you have been taught is merely an offer. If someone tries to give you an “order”, then that “order” contains your acceptance of the offer of their authority.

Consider this.

Then consider what makes your society run. What are the foundations of your world view?

1. There is no such thing as a state in the natural world.
2. There is no such thing as a constitution in the natural world.
3. There is no such thing as a church in the natural world.
4. There is no such thing as money in the natural world.

You must understand that every single one of these concepts that make up our culture and ideals are FICTIONS. They are mere ideas, represented as truth and gospel, but nevertheless are a product of someone else’s desire to control other human beings.

You are a human being, who has been programmed from birth by your parents (who have in turn been programmed by theirs etc.) to view the world in a certain way. Your history books, “education”, training and everything you see on the news is nothing but offers. Offers from all around to behave in a desired fashion.

You can refuse or accept anything. Your body is hardware. Your mind is software. Clear your hard drive and start from scratch, because objectively speaking, you can NEVER be sure if you have been lied to.

It is scary. But it is absolutely necessary in order for you to start getting to the truth of the world around you.

“Every facet, every department of your mind needs to be programmed by you. But unless you assume your rightful responsibility of programming your own mind, THE WORLD WILL PROGRAM IT FOR YOU.”

Psychologically, most people are incapable of this thing. But it can be done. And no one else can do it for you.

Are you capable and ready to program your own mind? Or will you let others keep on programming it for you?

blackcap Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Well said KS

Thomas Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Wake up Mr. Military. Break out your high school physics book and go to AE911truth.org for some expert analysis from skilled and knowledgeable people. It’s not just speculative BS but legitimate questions arising from the observable facts and forensic evidence which the MSM and government have successfully suppressed (Apparently it worked on you). Two 500,000 ton steel and concrete buildings DO NOT turn to dust at free fall speed without the addition of a massive external energy source (most likely exotic chemical explosives IMO). Gravitational acceleration could not have done this alone. Also watch the destruction of WTC7 as many times as required until your brain “registers” that this is a classic controlled demolition. Our “government” has NEVER refuted in a public forum any of the above. They ignore all of it and count on the continued collective ignorance of the American people Finally go to FBI.gov, click on ten most wanted, and select Usama Bin Laden. He’s not wanted for any crimes related to 9/11…..WTF???? None of the above addresses who did 9/11 or why. I have my theories but that’s another discussion…
Points out Dumb Asses Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Figures……more info and less people hearing about it.
Billy Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
This is bar-none, the funniest site on the internet. I love this, please keep it up!

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
littlegreenfootballs is funnier.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:17 am
you think 9/11 commission witnesses being intimidated about the biggest terrorist attack on American soil is funny?

Sicko.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I think hes referring to the fairy tales you guys make up about 9/11 and the rest of the world…..

Thomas Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:37 am
So the only legit “fairy tale” is the one the Neo-cons and Zionists and the “government” have been selling for years? Apparently your delusion is a more severe case than I at first suspected. Consequently evidence and facts (science?) can’t penetrate your into your rational mind. They sure did a number on you.
Matt K Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
only people who do not want to know and paid liars accept the official fairy tale

this is but one more piece of direct evidence of cover up

the actual facts speak for themselves

keep spreading the word
Eating Sarah Palin's Sweet, Sweet Muffin Until She Squirts Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Makes sense to me, and the disinfo plants on this site do nothing to shake my certainty that we are bon the right track. The other day I was in line at a restaurant, and two guys were talking in Arabic. The only thing I could understand was “prison planet dot com” in English. I asked them if they were talking about this website and they said they were, so we talked about 9/11 and a dozen other topics over lunch. The word, and the truth, is getting out, and getting out to some unlikely places. From housewives in Dallas to the two aforementioned IT guys from Jordan, people are waking up.

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Given your name, I’m sure your an intellectually brilliant person………

If I met you in a restaurant I’d listen to what you had to say too…………

Then I’d sit you down and show you had fucking stupid and retarded you are…..

Frank Sturgis Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Another brilliant reply from one of the great minds working for uncle Sam. It’s always such intelligent commentary from those who are intellectually married to their overlords. I know I’m not the only one that gets a good laugh from comments like this.

You keep trying, little tiger, and you’ll get a gold star on your forehead like a good little boy.

Please, keep posting comments. We need good examples of just how deluded the less-gifted members of our society have become.

I know, it’s painful to find out you’ve been foolishly wasting your life serving a tyrannical government, just like finding out your mother’s a prostitute. You take offence at those who would point to the obvious facts because of this. I really feel sorry for you, but you should know it’s not too late to come to terms with the cold reality of the situation and take corrective measures. You will feel better, trust me.

Click my name for a good article on ‘cognitive dissonance’.

SON OF THE CREATOR Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
dude why is all you do insult other people ?

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:18 am
really? So, making up bullshit stories about how almost 3,000 Americans were killed isn’t insulting? Going down to ground zero and telling the family members of the killed their loved ones were really holograms or that the fire dept was in on the attacks isn’t insulting?

Look at card51’s brilliant comment below….

Thomas Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The only “proof” should be provided by “government”. They need to refute the science that puts the lie to their BS 9/11 theory. They can’t do this because it’s Pandora’s box that would do nothing less than completely destroy (let us pray!) Amerika’s predatory empire…

card51short Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
No YOU’RE stupid and retarded!!!

Waaaaaah!!!

Great point though man
jeff Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
PULL IT JUST PULL IT!!! THE LATE GRATE L. SILVERPIGSTEEN ,IM DONE. NOW PUT YOUR HEAD BACK UP YOUR ASS PRAZZ DA LORD

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
“and then THEY made the decision to pull it”

Do you really think he let the entire mission slip by letting a prerecorded video of his slip up walk out the door?

Complete idiots……..

FROT Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Oh, Ok so you agree that it was pulled…
apology accepted

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Yeah, the fire dept made the decision to pull the remaining firemen out of the building.

Have you seen the videos of the firemen on the scene saying it was coming down? Were they in on it too?

The term “pull” when referring to building demolition means attaching a cable onto a structurally unsound building or partially collapsed building and pulling it down, not blowing up a building…..But if it was, then the building would have been rigged long before the phone call to L Silverstein and they wouldn’t need his permission to follow through with what had been planned long before…..

You do realize your saying the fire dept was involved in the “inside job” by saying Larry Silversteins comment was telling them to blow WTC7 down….

You should go down to their firehouses and tell tehm to their faces they were involved in 9/11…..Let me know first, Id like to video tape it….

FROT Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
lol
ya pull the remaining firemen out…
“pull it” IT “pull IT”
who calls firemen it????
this is assinine you are really reaching dude (and providing some needed entertainment!).
oh my God I gotta go, there’s a fire in here !!!!
ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! somebody call the IT!!!!

LOL LOL

oh ya and how did the buildings fall symetrically when they were asymetrically damaged again….i musta missed your reply to that

Noktirnal Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
@FROT
Don’t call IT, they’ll only fix the computers

Sydd Stone Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Reconmarine. There is alot of terrible responses to what u have to say. Not everyone on this site have the greatest things to say or a way to back up what they say. But you are in the same boat as they are. Whether you want to admit it or not there is alot of inconsistencies regarding 9/11. Sorry you can’t look at this with an open mind. People shouldnt waste their time on people like this.

Beck smacker Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
go back up and read my replay to him

will hale Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
still hiding behind cartoon names i see recon marine (halo)
they messed a lot of things up that day its runs into the pages
but all small enough to cover them with a blanket of lies and hope the fluoride is working.
science has now proven this lie
the debate is over reconmarine you lost.
thought you would be in blackwater now thinking up some wonderful ways to torture innocent women and children
actually your quite tiring
like a little retarded child in the corner yelling the same message over and over
i want to slap you but i feel sorry that your i.q. is in double digits

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:20 am
will hale- cartoon names? Maybe we could meet so I cans how you my credentials?
Im home on leave for a while…..Eugene, Oregon

The debate is over, this isn’t a debate because none of you have facts, just unrealistic theories and fairy tales….

What's the point Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I just love when a debunkers comes in and says,
” just give me one shred of evidence”. Then we give it to them and then they break
out their “debunking 9/11 for dummies hand book. and start in with the made for
debunking statements. For instance: Tell a debunker about the “put options” and their reply is: “The FBI looked into that and they said, there was nothing suspicious.
Well, I guess if they say so..that’s a concrete rebuttle.

That is their come back. The facts are 80% put options in one day for two airlines, is
unheard of. They knew something. Besides, if there was nothing wrong in what they did. The FBI should have no problem releasing their names, but they won’t.
The names of those people is evidence, that is why they hide it. Because of the “inside” cronies it would implicate.

What about “Able Danger” debunk that one. I won’t go into details, I’m sure you know the story about Lt Col. Shaffer, Again, evidence destroyed.
You don’t find it odd that names, videos and evidence is either withheld or destroyed?

What about Presidential Briefing document of Aug. 6th 2001
Titled ” Osama determined to stike in U.S.” with in the first paragraph they mention hijacked planes. Don’t you think that should’ve led to the tightening of airport security, at the very least?

There’s three to debunk, even though I already posted your response to the put options.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Yeah my favorite part is :

“give me one shred of evidence, if the operation is SO big there MUST be some mistakes because government is so incompetent, right?”

“Well Silverstein said pull it on camera and…etc.etc.etc.”

“OMG DO YOU THINK THEY’D MAKE A SIMPLE MISTAKE LIKE THAT YET THEY COULD PULL OFF 9/11 EASILY?!”

Lol we just can’t win

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Larry Silverstien had to BORROW money to rebuild the WTC’s and repair the Verizon building. HE LOST MONEY YOU FUCKING CLOWN..

He didnt say he pulled shit, he said THEY made the decision, they meaning the fire department, to pull the firemen out of the building…

According to YOUR BULLSHIT theory, the fire dept that lost 343 of it’s own was involved in the attacks and when larry said “pull it” (which he didnt) that meant, “go ahead and blow up the building we have been planing to blow down for the last few years…..
Why would he need to give permission for them to do something they already had planned to do? Why wouldn’t they have dropped wtc7 when it was completely engulfed in dust and debris and not at 520PM when the world was watching? How come in NONE of the videos or audios of the collapse do you hear massive explosions consistent with demolitions (not booms here and there, but extremely loud explosions echoing off the NY skyline) How come Larry Silversteiin would let a prerecorded slip up that would blow the entire “inside job” walk out the door? Why would they use conventional weapons to blow down the buildings instead of something that if later found could be traced back to the countries they implicated?

There are so many operational and tactical flaws in this operation, that are basic, that your collective theories make absolutely no sense at all. You guys often forget it’s not just the American people they need to fool, but the entire world and their governments, and to think or say the rest of the world would just stand bye and allow this to happen is complete bullshit…..
dave310 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Reconmarine, do you believe you got the truth out of the 9-11 commission or the Bush administration? It’s obvious that there’s more going on that meets the eye and nobody knows the real story. In regards to your comment, it seems to me that they WERE able to intimidate witnesses and get away with it. It’s eight years later and most people believe what the commission told them….plus no one has been charged with any crimes. (How is that not getting away with it?) The people on the commission were just part of the cover up, not the actual operation. They probably don’t know the truth either. The real criminals don’t belong to any one nation or government.

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Absolutely NOT. I have never said the 9/11 commission report was complete or lacked any falsehoods or lies. Your right, there is allot more going on then what was reported.
The question is, what is it? If you really study our history, and have a good understanding of government, our military and intelligence operations, you will understand that the complexity of the collective 9/11 theories makes it IMPOSSIBLE on many different levels.

Every single theory is debunkable and the above story shows that back in 2003 when that report was written, people couldn’t even intimidate witnesses without it getting caught and it being reported. It’s just now people like you guys are bringing it up to imply there is momentum in your “movement”……

The point still stands though, if it’s in 2003 or in 2009, it shows “they” couldn’t get away with the smallest actions compared to 9/11….but you think they could get away with the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world???

FROT Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
The official story is IMPOSSIBLE also…so I guess you are just one of us who doesn’t believe in the official story….
apology accepted …again
why ya giving us a hard time?

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:01 am
I want to know the truth just as much if not more then you do.

I’m just realistic in my approach and have literally looked into this for the last 7 years..

It’s tactically impossible for the collective theories to be accurate, and because so many truthers don’t have a firm grasp on reality (not dogging them, it’s just most don’t have applicable experience) they dont fully understand the implications of their accusations.
IE- If you beleive L. Silverstiens “pull it” comments meant he was instructing the fire department to blow down wtc7, your implying the fire dept that lost 343 of their own was involved in 9/11.

If you think Al Qaeda is fake, your saying the worlds intelligence agencies who have been hunting and killing them have either all been in on it too or they are so retarded they don’t see they are chasing ghosts

You have to beleive the Russians and Chinese are OK with loosing trillions in weapons sales and letting the US step further up as the worlds largest super power..

Filbert Flubottom Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Get away with what…?? All that was needed to do was plant the explosives/detonation charges in the buildings, schedule a series of training sessions to divert the lions share of fighter jet interceptor aircraft out of the north east sector on missions chasing ghost russians and give a stand down order to let the planes hit their targets. I believe the transportation secretary is on record outing darth vader…er dick cheney on that one.

Noktirnal Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Jets weren’t diverted, they were scrambled. A pair of F-16’s from langley AFB where I was stationed. They were Alert jets attached to a national guard unit the 141st I believe. They were called Happy Hooligans. Anyway I was on duty on the line on 9/11. One of the F-16’s came back to base 1 missile short of what he left with. I guess it was just misplaced.

Beck smacker Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Hey diggle shits, “but you think they could get away with the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world?”, They havn’t got away with it, there isn’t anybody with the balls to take them to court. Knowing that the people who paid for this Op., have more than enough money to bribe any judge.( go to the top of the coments and scroll to my personal reply to you shit head, I know all about you marines and the mind control used on you yahoo’s.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:06 am
recon the official story is impossible that’s all we’re saying…then we devise our own theory…fine you say our theory is impossible and we’re crazy…yet you still believe the impossible Government’s story?

Doesn’t make sense.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:16 am
You can devise your own theory, I just think you should be honest..

Look at Pentagon. You have hundreds of people who saw flight 77 hit. Yet, people make things up about the engines not being right, the hole not being big enough, they say it was a missile or a global hawk, etc…Thats all bullshit and has all been disproved yet people still repeat these lies.
This is why the creators of loose change now only talk about wtc7, and none of their previous theories. The least amount of info is known about WTC7 leaving plenty of room for conspiracy theories… Thats why they had to make so many versions of their movies….

Theres lots of evidence out that shows others involvement in 9/11 yet nobody looks into that stuff here.
Ie- The arab guy who worked at Logan and never showed back up to work after 9/11 and still hasn’t been found. Same guy was investigated in the Oklahoma city bombing…..

What did the $100,000.00USD buy Mohamad Atta? Did he pay off the Logan airport arab employee to sneak someone or something on the plane? Regardless if Atta pulled the money out of the bank or wired it, somebody knows what happened and where the money went…..What did it buy them?>

did people in flight 77 have a radio talking to people on the ground guiding them into an unprotected target?

could someone have radioed in from a high jacked flight saying they had regained control of the plane and they were going to land at Reagan preventing an immediate shoot down?

was there radio jamming equipment used on 9/11?

Was there gun fire at ground zero before the buildings collapse? (look into it)

What ever happened to the truck full of explosives reported on by Dan Rather? Who was busted or was it not really explosives?

Was there someone in the videos of the Pentagon attack acting in a manner that implied they had prior knowledge of the attacks and they are still looking for this guy? ( Like seeing someone with a video camera or radio waiting for flight 77)

What was the origin of the reports of an explosion at Camp David on the AM of 9/11?

Were their people making fake reports to create more chaos or throw off first responders?

I want to know these and many more questions I have about 9/11. Hopefully we will get the truth sooner then later….

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
no, he thinks Saddam or some other dastardly arab helped pull off 9/11.
gravel kucinich paul nader Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Lots of people who were involved in the cover-up are protecting themselves now by telling the truth.

Government Whistle Blowers.

Anonymous too ~

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
none of the whistle blowers are saying it was an inside job with controlled demolitions and the other horse shit you guys spew……Nowhere near the same thing as what you guys say……….

nader paul kucinich gravel Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
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you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:52 am
why does reconmarine always mention “cock” and “anal beads” and stuff like that? weird…..
Freedom Lost Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Amazing how the disinfo kings are drawn to this site which they are in total disagreement with, yet these reports do not imminate from Prison Planet, but from govt archives, so if you disbelieve the govt archives Mr Phony Balony Marine then WHO DO YOU BELIEVE???? These are not our reports but YOUR GOVT reports, you don’t know what do belive do you??? Too bad your govt is lying to you and you being the patsy you are just TRUST them. My best friends dad belonged to an Air Force intelligence division and he used to laugh and say their favorite statement was “Trust Us” while they were proceeding to investigate you for whatever, so just “Trust them” the govt loves you!!

reconmarine Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
when over 250 government and independent EXPERTS agree on something related to their expertise and then cold fusion experts or theologists come along and tell them they are wrong, that the dumbest shit in the world……

Jarheads Anonymous Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Bandwagon fallacy. I can think of a time when far more than 250 government and independent EXPERTS thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth. What’s your point?

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:08 am
http://www.ae911truth.org

Those are hundreds of architects and engineers who say your conspiracy theory (reconmarine) is impossible.

I know, I know…they are American haters working in tandem with the liberals and Al Qaeda…we know

*sigh*

False-flag Touch-down JEEEbus!! Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Al Gore agrees with you, neoconmarxine.

False-flag Touch-down JEEEbus!! Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Don’t forget, Klintoon said “how dare yew!” and his nose went even redder, while the chimp-in-charge demanded that 9/11 truth not be tolerated. Two heavyweights on your side and you’re still a soupcan out here.

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
250? is thast how many worked on the NIST report? i was under the impression it was much less. and by the way, AE911truth.org now has over 600. guess they’re all “anti-american” right jarhead?

you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:53 am
you dont a “DR” before your name just by signing up to a 9/11 site. are you serious? go to the site and check their credentials, they are better than yours or mine.

you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:54 am
but seriously though pussy, you make sure to finally go toWTCdemolition.com//blog, and make sure to explain how since Wolfowitz cant get his girlfriend a UN job is evidence that 9/11 happened how the government says it did. i cant get over how funny that line is.

The Gubment Loves You Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
You’re saying that because one might not be in said field, that one cannot speak to or have accurate knowledge of said subject. And if one IS in said field, they get a pass. Horse shite! You see, I’m not a doctor, but I don’t have to be a Proctologist to prove that you’re a dirty a-hole. Sorry, had to do it.

People’s ego’s and perception of the world can and does interfere with conclusions.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Recon…should you be telling these 500 architects and engineers how to do their job?

http://WWW.AE911TRUTH.ORG
FROT Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
oh ya annnnnnnnnd Bin Laden got NORAD to stand down I suppose. THE most heavily protected air space in the world and planes are flying around for an hour and a half?? They have 50 or so cameras on the Pentagon so why wont they show us ONE of a plane hitting..and if you think that a hollow nosed aluminum craft is going to go through 3 steel re-inforced kevlar backed rings leaving one small hole in the middle( if anything should be two holes where the engines were)…oh ya and the whole plane was vapourized upon impact right? lol
if thats so, how did they identify the bodies of the terrorists that were supposedely on board??? Why are some of them reported still ALIVE?? http://whatreallyhappened.com/.....ckers.html

pic of a bird strike on an airplane…notice how the nose is HOLLOW!!!!!!!!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Cqsz.....strike.jpg

There is certainly reasons to re-investigate the event, thats all we’re sayin.
I say you go live in your little ignorant world and stay outta the forums if you can’t handle looking for the truth, how do you suppose building 7 came down again genius?? why you looking at the prison planet site to begin with?
actually you are right it is pretty funny…
THANK-YOU for the entertainment!
ZackG Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
recon – whatever helps you sleep at night…
FROT Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
picture of a bird strike on an aircraft…notice the nose is HOLLOW!!!!
how the hell is THAT supposed to go through 3 rings of steel reinforced kevlar backed concrete?????
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Cqsz.....strike.jpg

and then the plane vapouruizes magically?
if thats true howd they get the DNA of the hijackers?
ok so we got no DNA and no bodies. Only a story the government told us..
flash back to the now declassified “Gulf of Tonkin” incident..was that impossible for them to make up too?
guess not
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

plus the “hi-jackers” have been reported ALIVE
At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive
http://whatreallyhappened.com/.....ckers.html
maninwarren Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
@reconmarine: every time you post, you make assumptions that you can’t back up (current thread: “massive “inside job” that would require the last 25 years of the worlds intelligence agencies to be involved in”), as if you’ve been involved in so many of these operations (or even one!) and know exactly what they require. In fact, all your posts use that same device, claiming to know exactly what would be involved in the various facets of 9/11 as an inside job. But the fact is, you can’t know, just as no one here can know. Because all of us are on the outside, trying to look into the workings of a government which holds literally millions of “classified” documents, has executed thousands of “covert ops”, goes out of its way to discourage and/or penalize whistleblowers, and (during the lead-up to the “9/11 Commission”) successfully fought any kind of real investigation into the worst attack in US history. Legitimate 9/11 Truthers only claim that there is a preponderance of evidence that leads one to believe that a small group of the most powerful men on earth (at the time leading up to 9/11) had the motive, means, and opportunity to at least allow, and perhaps actively cause, the attacks on 9/11. Your argument is: no, EVEN WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION, we KNOW that they SIMPLY COULDN’T HAVE done it, and so anyone calling for such an investigation is “spewing horseshit”.

So tell me, how did the CIA successfully fool THE WHOLE WORLD for years that Mossadegh had been overthrown by Iranians alone, with no CIA involvement whatsoever? I can back up my statements with dozens of mainstream sources.

Let me predict your response: “that’s bullshit! Everybody knew it was the CIA from day 1!” — without a shred of documentation, of course. And wrong, to boot!

I’d guess you’re also familiar with Operation Northwoods. So tell us, why would the most powerful men in that era think they could get away with such a complex plan? Yes, I understand that it was never implemented; but by your standards, it would have been ludicrous to even contemplate, let alone take the time to write up! I guess the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the early sixties lacked an experienced, deeply knowledgeable guy — like you. What’s your rank again? Four-star general, is it?

you pussy Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
he ALWAYS says it would have to be some MASSIVE job where everyone in the federal government would know about it. hes a hilarious little boy.
joejoe Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
i think reconmoron protests too much.
False-flag Touch-down JEEEbus!! Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Speaking of ZOG politics, now that the neocons have scared everyone else but the ziotarded babble-taliban from the retardlican party, Peloozy has given them the flag to consolidate in a direction that leads away from future anti-islamofascist pro-holy pregnancy swat-team batman commandos, but maintains that essential core value of using threats to produce supportive statements from patsies.
Richard Lefesky Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
ReconMarine:

Why is it that you seem to be the first comment to every article about 9-11? You must be on constant alert, just waiting, day in and day out, to make a silly set of comments, like the one you made here.

But here’s some food for thought…The US government employed over 250,000 people, directly, and indirectly in the MANHATTAN PROJECT…for something like 5 years., and still before the bombs actually exploded, nobody knew they US was building an Atomic bomb.

If there’s one thing the government, and more directly, the military, can do…it’s keep an operation secret. There’s something called compartmentalization. SAP…special Access Projects. Where virtually everyone working on an operation knows only their job, and not the job of the next guy. you can have 5,000 people working directly on an operation, and only a few people at the very top know what the actual operation is.

It becomes the job of the participants of the operation to NOT KNOW. The actual players have a NEED TO NOT KNOW what the actual operation’s goals, or objectives are. The military breeds obedience, and those involved actually do take their jobs very seriously.

If you really were a RECON MARINE, you’d know all this. I think what you really are is a RECON HOAX, or nothing more than a shill, assigned to this site to try to sow some doubt in the minds of those who have started to question the “Official” story.

You are nothing more than a boot-licking shill
armyofficer Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Wow, I am a US soldier, I too have negotiated with Iraqi security officials, big deal, sorry I didn’t save any jouranlists in any one incident, but supporting liberty secures the rights of all journalists. Here’s the facts, 9/11 was an inside job. Yes, Al CIA Duh was created by the CIA, Bin Laden was a CIA ploy, we use arab religious extremists all the time, to fight the Russians, and now, to fight ourselves, the reason? Wrap us up in endless wars, bankrupt us financially all as part of the larger plan to turn us into a police state for the global elite. If you want facts, how about reading a book that wasn’t approved for a highschool history class, or how about physics, like the laws of gravity, and how friction impedes motion. In otherwords, buildings don’t collapse at free fall speed due to planes hitting them and causing fires. There was hard evidence that temperatures rose above 2000 degrees, and other evidence, such as chemical traces found at ground zero, which indicate thermite explosives were used. I love our Constitution too, marine, but its time you realize that you are recycling old propaganda, your information is incorrect, and that if you want to defend the US against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, you will stop, take a cold hard look at the facts, and realize that you’ve been lied to. Its ok, all of us here went through the same process, when you are ready, come back and educate yourself on what is really going on and you will start spreading the word of truth. If you don’t want to end up being a soldier for a Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, you will understand what is at stake. This is liberty versus tyranny and you are supporting the wrong side, my fellow patriot in arms. I pray that you will see the truth, and that you will let go of your pride long enough to understand who the real enemy is.

standing bull Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
army officer
you hit the nail right on the head. My congratulations for a well written post.
Richard Lefesky Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RECON MARINE:

You logic defeats itself. The same reasons you say the government couldn’t pull off an inside job can be applied to BIN LADEN. How could he get away with such a complex conspiracy without getting caught in advance? The only group of people that could pull it off is the group that has control over the counter measures. If it really was Bin Laken/highjackers, those planes would’ve been shot out of the sky…the air force would’ve scrambled..on time, and intercepted the flights. It would’ve ended there.

The only group that could’ve pulled it off, without being detected in advance, comes from within. A cabal of conspirators can hide preparations in exercises, Bin Laden cannot.

I just can’t believe your so simple minded to believe the official crock of Sh_t. You can’t really accept that Mohammad Atta and his band of religious zealots did it? They were partiers, doing blow, and drinking alcohol.

What about the fact that at least 7 of the high-jackers are still alive?

Are you going to Debunk that?

You’ve got an agenda.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:29 am
dude you’re INSANE AND KWAAAAAZY YOU TIN FOIL HAT WEARER!!

19 guys with boxcutters sniffing coke and led by a guy on a kidney dialysis machine thousands of miles away in a cave = THEY DID 9/11 DON’T EVEN QUESTION IT YOU IDIOT

Most powerful government in the history of mankind with access to unbelievable technology and resources = THEY COULD NEVER DO SUCH AN ATTTACK!1111111!!!!11! IT WAS DA A-RABS!1!!

hahaha i love it
Richard Lefesky Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I think ReconMarine has accomplished his goal here…by distracting the rest of us, myself included, into dealing with his nonsense.

maninwarren Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
On the other hand, he’s keeping us sharp, and anyone reading these comments can see that we’re well-informed and reasonable, and he (representing the close-minded, fact-impoverished know-nothings) is neither.

Thanks, reconmarine!

(The Devil knows not for whom he works!)

Beck smacker Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:43 am
If alex kept an archive of these posts, you could see mr. recon cuts and pastes his responses.
pharaozcurse Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
guys let me apologize for this servicemen. that is if he is in fact in the armed forces or some joystick jocky who plays call of duty 4 and it makes him “feel” as if he can identify with those of us who serve.
I am enlisted spec-4,93b combat medic with the 365th out of albany , ny. I joined to serve my country predicated on lies. I continue to serve for my brothers in arms. Its a crisis of conscience that disgusts me to the core. In the human race ,we are blessed with the gift of reason. if “reconmarine” could apply his here i could respect him more. soundbites and innuendo have no weight without facts. i’m sure most here have taken the time to research the facts and not just prescribed to one mans crusade. if alex reversed course tommorow and said that”911 WASNT an inside job,because the government said so”, most if not all of us would try to spread the truth somewhere else. when your master calls my friend ,i am sure yopu jump without question. I am sure others here have elaborated further but to highlight…
fact 1- the plane that hit the pentagon was 50 feet tall and 150 feet wide and it left a 16 foot hole in the building.
fact2- that plane vaporized and they have pictures of it hitting the building but only release a blurry picture of a nosecone?
fact 3 – the hotel fire in japan in febuaryu RAGED for 24 hours and the building did not collapse
fact 3 -it the history of skyscrapers only 3 have ever been felled by fire,WTC1,2,&7
fact 4- in the history of aviation there have been 92 planes in distress and US military jets were scrambled to intercept them EVERYTIME ,except on 9/11
fact 5- 1/3 of the highjackers are still alive!!
fact 6- jet fuel burns 1000 degrees colder than steel melts
fact 7 – the only entity that has profitted from this “attack” is the military industrial complex
fact 8 – alqeada made a bonehead move “attacking ” us with no followup strategy
fact 9- 30 days before the attack there was a defense memo circulated entitled”osama bin laden determined to attack US soil” in the body of this memo it was stated”intentions to use planes as missiles”
fact 10 – the government loves us and wants us all to live long happy lives,while they prudently and wisely spend our hard earned tax dollars educating our children ,taking care of our elderly,and honoring our veterans.

out of these 10 facts can you tell me which is the lie?

Beck smacker Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Thank you combat medic, I served 6 during vietnam and 14 during the Gulf wars, always could count on the medical corp to provide intellegent conversation.

Cato Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
-pharaozcurse

Extremely well said !
I think fact numbers; 3, and 4 are particularly difficult for the government to explain – WTC building #7 went down without being struck by anything – what’s up with that?
Fact 7 is also huge – The Patriot Act was all ready to go, Bush’s plans to invade Iraq/Afghanistan were all ready to go.
Who profited from this attack?
What was the end result of this attack?
Easy questions to answer,
The military industrial complex/fed govt/NWO agenda profited.
The result of the attack was the loss of liberty, a further encroachment on the Constitution, and the Fed Govt becoming “all powerful” in the aftermath.
The official story has more holes in it than a loaf of swiss cheese.
Max Power Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Recon exposes himself by only responding to 9/11 related articles, those are the only articles he posts in, he has some sort of vested interest in 9/11 idk why, maybe he can enlighten us?
Zang Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Hey Reconmarine,

You are a twat ! If 9/11 was done by Al Queda please explain ? How can a camel jockey on a dialysis machine in a cave in Afghanistan manage to demolish 3 buildings into their own foot print on one day? Surely the question is why wouldnt he want to blast the building all over New York ? Surely he wasnt worried about making a mess !!!

I think you only play recon-marine on your playstation ! Doh
reconmarine=troll Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
trolls are lurking
thomas Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
reconmarine you ARE a dumbass! there is NOTHING but tangible evidence regarding 9/11 and the govt conspiracies involved within. Our govt has been in on the war scheme and cover ups for longer than 25 years, and the idiots like you are EXACTLY why mind control and programming work so well for them. Because you are only as smart as they let you THINK you are But you go ahead and play soldier boy puppett dumbass for the people you TRULY defend, and continue to sing the patriotic song so you can fatten the pockets of the true terrorists who are the real threat to this country. namely the commander in chief who is selling out this country and using soon to be dead worthless dumb fucks like your self to do so. Let the real americans who want to fight the real enemy do your work for you. die a slow death and be remebered by no one.
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Sam Boswell Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
9/11 was an inside New World Order job!
JonB Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Interesting stuff here, more to throw on the already giant pile of information.
Alastair Carnegie Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
THE INSURERS ROYAL SUN ALLIANCE REFUSED TO PAY UP!

From Wikipedia:-
“RSA Insurance Group plc (LSE: RSA) is a British general insurance company which rebranded under the RSA brand in April 2008. The company formally changed its name from Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance Group plc on 20 May 2008.

It is listed on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index. It was formerly also listed on the NYSE: in late 2006 it was delisted from the NYSE due to the sale of all of its United States operations, in a large part due to its refusal to pay its obligation of US $4 billion for the World Trade Center. RSA’s formal exit from the USA was announced on 5 March 2007, following unsuccessful legal challenges to the sale in the courts of Delaware, USA….”

Warship Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
wow….
Tim(Iiowa) Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Reconmarine- You actually believe Wolfawitz got fired for getting his girl friend a Job?

Now that’s funny!
Tim(Iowa) Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Sam Boswell =- yeah and the FED reserve bribed our congress to boot.
Probably promised them no pay back loans of over 1 million dollars each of some shit.
then his it in all these bail-out bills.
Wouldn’t be the 1st time it happened. Andrew Jackson faced the same thing back during the war of 1812.
Tim(Iowa) Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Wolfowitz was fired for misappropriation of funds. The main media made it sound Like It was his girl friend getting a job by him that got him fired.
But ? Hahahahahahahah! SNORT!
She was helping Him mis appropriate the funds.
seiiya Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
911 was done by many secret government, yet, we really couldn’t tell who was involved in. but for one thing, we know 911 was one of the shocking event after John F.Kennedy.
No matter how and who ruled our Earth, they will going to pay for what they have done.

Dave Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Thanks for noticing that. I looked up Operation Northwoods because of an above post, and thought it was funny that the publishing of the top secret documents happened pretty closely behind the events of 2001, and that it was Kennedy’s people who helped get it published. It’s ironic because it shows how false-flag events are used to shape public opinion and move legislature, kind of like what happened to JFK and what we call “9/11″.

Also, I don’t think reconmarine is trying to separate us (remember he’s just here for a show). But look at how we’re coming together to strengthen our point about how fishy stories need to be investigated.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:33 am
dude Ooperation Northwoods was written by bin laden himself1111!!1!!!
Tim(Iowa) Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Sam Boswell Says:

April 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
9/11 was an inside New World Order job!

REPLY: YEP! The CFR/IMF/UN World Bank conglomorite
Tim(Iowa) Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
ooops1 Now I am regressing………….sorry.
911truthfarmer Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
What sucks is this should be front page news, everyday! What else will come out over time? Keep the flame of truth alive, people. Don’t let it fade from public consciousness. This is the biggest violent political crime in history. But as Hitler believed, the bigger the lie, the easier it is to get the rubes to swallow. Be a SKEPTIC. Don’t even swallow what Alex has to say without doing due diligence. We need an educated army of citizens talking and virally spreading truth and at least awareness!
Jibbs Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
http://chatroll.com/infowars
rg3855 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
i think (re coned) is a disfo programed HAL 9000 computer (any1 with a mind can c the truth) not the lies we have been feed
potangent Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
People choose to believe what is comfortable to them or their life-styles except honest folks that research.
Most uninformed folks think U.S. Marines are somehow a better or tougher fighting organization than is the U.S. Army yet the Army, throughout history has out performed the Marines by a long shot in both number of enemy killed and number of “Medal of Honor” recipiants. If they gave awards for big mouths then I am sure they would win in that catagory.
G Shizzle Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
this is in response to the hate you guys were throwing at reconmarine at the top of the page. whos got the fuckin mob mentality now? you fuckin gutless bitches spend all your time reading blogs and making fun of people who dont totally disagree with the entire world, but oh my God, you say nothing about the true points of your own arguments! who really cares if 15 idontagreewithanything-crats think that one guy whos accomplished more than most of you, is wrong? im sure that secrets exist that most of us will never know, but damn, you cant just CHOOSE not to believe official statements, when known conspiracy theorist liars will write whatever they want, and you believe them. grow the fuck up and accept that you are all ‘pawns’ in a war for profit, because if thats what you are, no amount of bitching will change that.

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:39 am
So basically you’re saying believe the “official statements” no matter what because the “officials” love us and know what’s best?

Awww thanks so much for your loving message! I’m sure we’ll all take it to heart and truly cherish your words of wisdom!

you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 5:04 am
hate? you mean like smearing peoples dead parents? look above. recon is the hateful one. he thinks my mom is dead because he confused me with someone who had the same name as me(before i cchanged it) so now he goes around asking how my dead mom(whos very much alive) is. classy huh? no quite your whining you naive bitch.

Beck smacker Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Oh yes ole recon is the envy of us all, small minded twit like yourself, who believes all that hollywood hoopla about the corp………………….go throw some more puppes off a cliff or kill children for target fun, you piece o shit mined controllled turd.
Johnny Dangereaux Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
THERMITE……WHERE DA’ HELL THAT COME FROM SOLDIER BOY?
TheMajority Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
911 Was An Inside Job. Thermate was used on all 3 buildings. The proof has already been laid out before everyone by Proffessor Steven Jones. He found the scientific signature of thermate in the WTC dust samples. Not to mention the molten metal itself which was witnessed by firefighters. Then just take a look at the Pentagon, they still haven’t released all the video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon, if one did it was remote controlled just like the ones that hit the WTC towers 1 and 2. If one didn’t they hit it with a missle. The just look at 93 over Shanksville.. and the let’s roll story.. no wreckage, just a crater. Every other plane crash produces wreckage, the planes don’t just don’t completely disinigrate. It’s not hard to see once you are awake, and understand the real history, the funding of Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and all the false flag terror ops that came before 911.

Recon better wake up and stand with the real patriots in this country, and fight the NWO, the clock is ticking, choose your side boy. I feel sorry for you, fighting for a lie, I feel sorry for all the soldiers who have fought and died over the lie of 911, and all the lies throughout history, they have been pawns for the NWO.
longshotlouie Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
That would be nano-thermite, johnnyboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

Please make this available whereever you can.

THX
Jim Lunsford Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
To ReconMarine: I can’t believe you actually brag about being in the recon marines. I used to try and train jarheads, and even the recon ones in panama, but all of you were too stupid to train. I was a paratrooper, and all of my years (ten total) were spent either in a pre-war zone, or a war zone. If you can’t see controlled demolition in seven, or the others for that matter, then you can’t see jack shit. If you were truly in the military for such a long period of time, then you would know the government fucks people over just as SOP. After getting out of the military, I went to college and majored in history to answer questions about what all I had been involved in over the years. Five years and an MLA in History and a minor in law later, I had even more questions than before I began. However, I did understand one thing above all others. Our government has so many conspiracy theorists precisely because our government has had so many actual conspiracies actually committed. We’ve only had one just war in our history and that was the Revolutionary War. Maybe you should study what all these brave and heroic exploits that your super jarhead brain and skills were used to save the world from “others” that not even James Bond could accomplish. So far, I have not even found one thing you have said to assuage my absolute hatred of the lack of professionalism which I found rampant in the marines. Recon units especially. Hell, if you can’t track down a recon marine, then there isn’t much hope for you in the airborne. Or the boy scouts for that matter. Go and recon for a brain, let real men do the fighting. Like the airborne. Tell us how, in your brilliant nuclear scientist jarhead mind Bldg seven came down. A building that was designed to withstand a plane crashing into it, even though it didn’t have one hit it. A building that was owned by the same person who owned the other two. Those two also designed to withstand a plane crash. Buildings whose insurance policy was written by Herr Bush’s brother. Explain that one jarhead.

KS Reply:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Most of the problems and the resistance from the general public that the “truth movement” faces are not intellectual or factual, but psychological. This “recon marine” is one of those cases.

It is a sad fact to see that most people are incapable of admitting to themselves even the POSSIBILITY of having been used, duped and tricked into behaving in a certain way. They lack the mental capacity to notice whether they suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. And most people do.

It is not a far-fetched comparison to compare human societies to insect societies. We are trained from birth to feed the ant hill pyramid and the royals on top. We have workers, soldiers, breeders and so forth. It is just too complicated to see, and too painful to admit.

Most people do not like to be told that they are insignificant in the grand scheme of things; that their “leaders” really don’t give two shits about their lives; that they and their children are not super cool and geniuses; that they may have been used, abused and continue to be abused.

But that’s just the way people are. They will lie on demand, and support any lie that fits their bill. Most human beings are a sad bunch.

Beck smacker Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Good job, Jim, I took jungle training in Panama, as a radioman (USN) when I was 19. I saw first hand what total idiots Recon were while training with them. “I want to be a recon ranger, I want to live a life of danger”………………..bahwahahah………pinheads. We had to send out a search party to find a bunch of them that got lost five miles from the canal.

Reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
yeah, im sure this happened. Let me guess, you were part of a secret navy program that did flas flag attacks and tested swine flue viruses on the locals….
Dave H Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Majority,

You hit the nail on the head with your assessment. It pains me to see how complacent, and ignorant most Americans are about 9/11. Being a former fire fighter and presently a structural engineer, I agree that 9/11 was a huge cover up by our government. The only thing that any American needs to know….to agree with both of us…is the fact that the EPA deemed ground zero safe a few days after 9/11….when if fact….it was the most toxic square mile on the planet!!! There is NO way that was a simple mistake….THEY knew the twin towers were the most asbestos laden buildings ever constructed!!! Litterally millions of square feet of sprayed on fireproofing were laden with asbestos. No rescue worker or recovery worker should have been allowed near the site without full SCBA breathing gear, and yet the EPA deemed the site “Safe”. This was not a SMALL mistake…..it was a deliberate decision to ignor the massive toxic atmosphere at ground zero.

If you were trained like I was….in fire fighting, and fire investigation, then you ALL would realize, that 9/11 was covered up very fast after it occured….all evidence from the WTC, Building #7, the PA and Pentagon crashes was all conveniently scooped up and either hidden or destroyed years prior to any real forensic investigation. A first in American history. Those who watch CSI or similar shows…know that all crime scenes are never disturbed until a complete investigation is done. 9/11 was a scoop and run….with zero investigation….until years later….
KS Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Animals are mostly interested in copulation, feeding and fighting for pack superiority. In your comments, you display an excellent example of this animalistic tendency.

Of course, it is more likely that you know this and try to instigate a fight to cloud the issue.

But, I’m going to play your game and consider you a hairless monkey. Talking to hairless monkeys is a waste of time for both the monkey and the human being. The human being will eventually look at the monkey with a sad realization that it will never stop being a monkey. The monkey will yap and scream at the human and demand a bigger banana so that it can go to the female monkeys that decide on copulating on the basis of that banana.

The monkey may have slight issues over pack superiority, since it has noticed that it needs an artificial banana to make up for its natural lack of banana size.

So don’t worry, Mr. Recon Monkey. I’m sure your trainer/handler/CO will provide you with another banana.

In the mean time, please be a good little bipedal and let us humans talk human things.

Eek, ook, eek.

Jane Goodall Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:52 am
“The monkey will yap and scream at the human …”

And fling it’s feces at the human through the bars of it’s cage.

Reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
yeah, thats why the 911 truth movement is dwindling away and nobody takes you guys serious……..

but Im the monkey….

JTCoyote Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Yes you are being the “marine see, marine do only as he is told” monkey here… Your bomb sniffing dog red herring is frustrated by the fact that powdered aluminum and iron rust frustrate their noses every time… unless they are specifically trained to search it and it alone… yet in an urban environment where iron rust and aluminum are everywhere… well I think even you will get the picture….

I have waited a week for you to answer my question regarding the only real visual proof which is the physics of the collapse which you have thus far skirted… if you come back with a smart ass flaming comment, which you have been increasingly using rather than answering questions, or any other fallacious counter debate you might present to avoid my query, you will cease to be a poster here… Savvy Sgt…?

JTCoyoté

“It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error,
and another to put him in possession of the truth.”
~John Locke
card51short Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Reconmarine is right…Al Qaeda did 9/11

You know why?

WTC7, the first steel framed building ever to fall due to fire, collapsed at 5:20pm.

More infinite wisdom from our brave soldier

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:23 am
actually other steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone. They wernt hit by planes or falling buildings either……
Let me know if you need examples, pictures or anything else.
card51short Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:24 am
page 1 of our history books talks about the Russians infiltrating the Manhattan Project?

Hmmm…proof?
card51short Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:27 am
dude he’s got a point.

Al Qaeda did 9/11

Why you ask?

Bomb sniffing dogs didn’t sniff anything.
card51short Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:29 am
sweet dreams Keep thinking of us and 9/11

you pussy Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:57 am
he will. every day. telling no?
card51short Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:31 am
lol now he’s trying to meet up with people!

I knew this was all just a lonely soldier’s ploy to meet people!

card51short Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:32 am
oh and by the way…no…no one wants to meet you. No one cares who you are.

You spend all day talking online with people you think are crazy. I’m sure you lead a very interesting and fulfilling life.

What are you doing online all day when JIHAD!11!! is looming around the corner and ready to get us any minute, huh soldier?
card51short Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Nice…now you’re dissing the U.S. Army.

Such a patriot.

reconmarine Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 8:46 am
you say 9/11 was an inside job, totally ignoring mountains of evidence latching on to half truths and comments taken way out of context and your questioning my patriotism?

Up above, an Army kid said Marines are stupid, so I replied with one of my experiences in an Army environment, Army para trooper school (Airborne)
It’s a 3 week school, where the first 2 weeks you learn how to fall down while wearing cammies and a big green helmet. Everybody’s running around screaming “hooah” looking like a bunch of green dicks. I was a Cpl. at the time but everyone called me “Sgt” or “Sarge”. and as I stated above, I was more worried about a dumb ass soldier running into me int eh air, then i was about jumping out for the first time…….

I’ve got 2 purple hearts, and am home on leave getting surgery for one for them now… Tell me about your patriotism.
pharasozcurse Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:39 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

great video longshot loui, everyone should work there damnest to make tha one go viral. and recon marine you can debunk my list line by line because u=i didn’t take the time to get the “actual” numbers. for example maybe they scrambled jets 94 times or that jet fuel burns 1100 degres cooler. But thesentiment should be your focus. the facts dont add up. if the towers fell one floor at a time and we watched it collapse,then maybe. But a freefall ,no one with an objective viewpoint can swallow that. I think it speaks volumes that NO ONE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THIS CRIME. If you cant agree that UBL was/is a pawn of the CIA then you have been sorely misinformed.

Beck smacker Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Just look at the fact that all that weight they say pancaked the floors, was blown 360 degrees up and away from the falling buildings. So after holding all that weight for so many years, how did the undamaged 60 floors below the aircraft strikes, crumble to dust with the wieght of three to flour floors of powdered debris? Please mister jar head give us documentation on how 45 of 50 floors above the 60th foor disappeared into dust and the rest of the building just collapsed after half of its original load was blown clear? Let me answer that for you jar head in the terms you understand. It fell because it felt sorry for the upper floors going away.

Reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Floors 50-60 below the impact site did not turn to dust or break up until the momentum of the collapse reached it. When an acre of concrete and steel land on another and then that process repeats itself, it builds momentum and increases damage.

Here are some experts who can explain the momentum and weight of the collapse and why it fell the way it did.

An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University, UK, engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a “controlled demolition”.

The new data shows this is not needed to explain the way the towers fell.

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localized failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

“The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse,” Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the “residual capacity” of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

He added that his calculations showed this was a “very ordinary thing to happen” and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behavior of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronized rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive “squibs” can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci.....987965.stm

Dr. Keith A. Seffen

http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/~kas14/
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Or you can read a bit more here…
http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

and a few more here……….

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder
corotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/f.....gi?corotis

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http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras
http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Me.....p?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary
http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/ca.....cAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago
http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/.....y_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology
http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation
http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University
http://www.cee.lsu.edu/faculty.....s_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado
http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/f.....ple.cgi?xi

Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
http://ame-www.usc.edu/personn.....ndex.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?id.....mp;op=show

Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact

Journal of Engineering Mechanics

More links to civil engineering papers and other information concerning the WTC collapse…

Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
“Addendum to ‘Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? – Simple Analysis” (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.

Brannigan, F.L.
“WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings”
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

“Construction and Collapse Factors”
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

Corbett, G.P.
“Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster”
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

“Dissecting the Collapses”
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
“Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation”
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.

Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
(also available on-line)

Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A.
“Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center”
The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.

“Collapse Lessons”
Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103

Marechaux, T.G.
“TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering”
JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.

Monahan, B.
“World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations”
Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.

Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D.
“Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?”
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.

National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs
“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.

Pinsker, Lisa, M.
“Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site”
Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001).
The print copy has 3-D images.

Public Broadcasting Station (PBS)
Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary.
NOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online)

Post, N.M.
“No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report”
ENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14.

Post, N.M.
“Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing”
ENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14.

The University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering
World Trade Center – Some Engineering Aspects
A resource site.

“WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives”
ENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.

KS Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 10:18 am
Again, I will point out the fact that the human mind is weak.

The problem that everyone has with this “evidence” is its clear lack of scientific objectivity. They try to find evidence to support a theory. This is actually the opposite of the scientific method – the same error that was committed by the Inquisition in Galilei’s case.

I do not understand how these “scientists” have managed to lose their senses, but I’m going to assume that they have been blackmailed, bribed or are just too mentally weak to face the objective truth about the demolitions.

The correct way of objective scientific study is to assess empirical observations and evidence. After enough observations and experimentation can a “theory” be created. This is the correct way of doing things.

What the government did on 9/11 was to prevent objective scientific study of the towers’ collapse. We have no proof, because the evidence was destroyed. There is no rubble to examine, there are no records of the Pentagon crash, there are no plane parts.

What we do have is a story that we are told not to assess. We have no physical evidence, because that evidence was removed. And that you cannot refute. This is a valid point which your government has to respond and to give justification for their actions.

Why would the government deliberately destroy evidence? Why would they prevent people from examining ALL the evidence?

And this makes your “scientific” theories completely unscientific. It is unscientific to create any theories whatsoever unless there FIRST is evidence from the theory can be arrived at.

For example, Bhazant & Zhou’s equations are unscientific. They fail at the simplest level: they SET OUT to prove a theory. The collapse of the Towers is not a mathematical incident. It is a CRIME (the only thing that we disagree on is the perpetrators). It did NOT happen on paper. The buildings left physical EVIDENCE – evidence of a CRIME.

9/11 was a CRIME. And what the US authorities did on 9/11 was a complete and systemic failure of adhering to the most BASIC FORENSIC INVESTIGATION. They broke the law by removing the rubble. They broke the law by removing the “plane fragments” from the Pentagon. It’s called obstruction of justice and removal of evidence, my friend.

Every police officer should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen on the simple basis that the crime was too much for them to handle. Their minds were repelled by the phenomenon

They removed evidence from a crime scene. And that is illegal. They deliberately removed evidence and thus, quite effectively, prevented scientific study.

So, all your proof has no backing whatsoever, because the GOVERNMENT destroyed evidence. And that you cannot refute.

I’m constantly amazed by the blindness of the US academic, law enforcement and media circles’ lack of self-criticism on this matter. I cannot figure out why they cannot see this simple violation of the scientific method. They must be psychologically incompetent to investigate this (incapable of impartial study).

It seems we must investigate the investigators as well.

They and YOU are making excuses that prevent objective forensic study of a CRIME. And that is illegal. You are a criminal. Period.
GumbyTruckin' Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:45 am
What the hell does this dipshit reconmarianette think is the answer to these world wide collapses of all financial,medical,employment, and steerage of the masses towards total government reliance? We have been duped since the early 1900’s by our so called leaders and representatives, in evidence after evidence, these have been proven true and profitable to the top oligarchs of the world, World Wars 1&2, Korea, Vietnam, ie..(Gulf of Tonkin) WW2 , the withheld info of a known plan of attack by Japan not aforementioned by Roosevelt, in order to gain profit for banking community! etc.. etc… on and on, these families in general all proven to have relationships to banking,oil, Wall street, pharmaceutical giants, these people have been duping and using the American people for decades and now in this age of information and technology, they must regain their control of us in order to further their ongoing Satanic and Pagan lifestyles and ideology.
They won’t give up, they are out there and are in control of most of our daily lives on a grand scale, it’s time to wake up USA !

Reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
satanic and pagan lifestyles……
Philip Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:12 am
That was Marvins J.O.B. and he did it well
Goyim Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:22 am
America didn’t attack America, Israel did.
Go Navy Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:42 am
“The Manhattan Project was infiltrated by the Soviets from day one”

Whether or not this is true it is irrelevant since the Manhattan Project was still kept secret from the US general population, which is what we are talking about as regards 9.11.

What would you say if I told you that Al Qaeda was penetrated (infiltrated since day one) by the CIA and Mossad? Who were the foreign fighters used as foot soldiers in Clinton’s assault in the Balkans? What does “Al-Qaeda” mean? It means “the base.” as in database of half-wit jihadi pawns to be manipulated by (fill in the blank) intellegence service to do the dirty jobs.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 11:01 am
yeah, NOW it’s irrelevant because you got proven WRONG.
Jane Goodall Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 2:16 am
There was quite a bit of substance to his post. You just chose to duck it and respond with another insult.

“How did they sneak thousands of lbs of demo past teh bomb sniffing dogs?”

Maybe we would know the answer to that question had there been a properly funded investigation with subpoena power and not some whitewash commission fronted by the neocon lackey Zelicow.

Why did Bush and Cheney agree to testify to (even this flawed and controlled) commission only on the condition that they would not be under oath? Tell me why would a man refuse to testify under oath unless he was preparing to lie?
changedname Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:22 am
Why are you guys giving this Reconmarine guy the time of day? It is obvious that he knows nothing and is only here to distract from the information posted. I can clearly see that he is only out to accuse and name call which is what someone does when they have no real information to debunk with. You asked him to give reason\proof of why he believe’s the official story and all he does is ridicule the messenger and try to make fun! That shows he know little to nothing but only wants to distract. My advice would be to skip over his posts and to not justify them at all with a reply! Why sit here and argue with a person that you know will never look at your side of an issue but only wants to be given more fuel for the fire to continue to distract from the information given in a thread. If you guys who are arguing with this guy believe your doing something good in defense think again. The best response to this guy is NONE AT ALL!

Beck smacker Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I name call and curse any bug I’m about to crush.

Reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
not look at your side? I know your theories better then you. I know the source of your stories and the half truths and lies where they got their momentum….

try replying with some facts..

maninwarren Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
read my website, the whole thing: 9112010.com. Tell me, specifically, what “half truths and lies” I employ to make my argument.
j Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:59 am
RELEASE THE TAPES!!! Reconmarine, I’ve read your posts and you HAVE YET TO PROVIDE ANY PROOF OF THE OFFICIAL EXPLANATION. We request the same thing from you that we request from the Pentagon – RELEASE THE TAPES! GIVE US THE PROOF!! Come on already, give us the proof!
you pussy Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 5:01 am
actually, it was more political than anything, most of the people he worked with pushed him out because of his role in pushing the Iraq war. they used the girlfriend thing as an excuse. im not surprised you dont know this, but i am kind of surprised and really amused that you always reference this when “debunking” 9/11. please use that line at WTCdemolition. and again, dont wait for a screen name, you can post anonymously, as long as you dont spew insults like you do here, your comments will appear. try and refrain from acting like an angry child for once and your comments will appear.
gjohnz Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 5:49 am
I agree with changedname, this recon guy is probably one of those provacateur who show up and attempt to discredit truthers and to incite violence at intended peaceful protest. When he writes anything, the best and most effective way of making this hemmorid disapear is to not respond to his silliness at all. Get your dumb “redkneck” ass off of the site you idiot non thinking retard,Oh! sorry that would be an insult to retards,you sub-human freak.(i only used the term retard for affect, i do not or cannott have ignorant positions like you, so let me be clear about that).

Reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Maybe you could try proving me wrong……………………..
maninwarren Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 6:28 am
(I noticed you omitted a response to my question about Mossadegh. Huh.)

“I know what it takes to do extremely small operations, so its safe to assume it would have taken thousands of people to do 9/11 the way many here imply.”

It is not safe to assume anything without a REAL investigation. You are assuming the stakes in your “extremely small operations” are the same as the greatest crime against Americans in history, and that the level of access/security/paranoia would be the same. That’s unsupportable.

As for operations, a few key people telling their subordinates NOT to pursue leads (and we know that this was the case repeatedly) before 9/11 would have been enough to allow 9/11 to happen — and none of the “key people” would have had to know anything but that they, too, were following orders from above.

“Operation northwoods was an idea written down on paper and even if implemented, nowhere near as large and far reaching as 9/11 was.”

It involved, at least potentially, bombings, hijackings, and my favorite, painting various aircraft to look like either MiGs or civilian aircraft. And yet, they believed they could keep all that secret. What fools!

And your best response:
“Im not arguing that people in are gov wouldn’t do it if they could, Im saying they couldn’t get away with it. ever.

Giving me examples of past times we couldn’t keep a secret isn’t to helpful in convincing me they could this time on such an unprecedented level….”

Here’s one, recon! It’s Operation XXXXXX — no one’s ever heard of it, because it’s remained secret. SO HOW COULD I POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT IT?! Get it? You’re clinging to an irrational belief: “we know about some operations; since those are all we know about, there are no others to know about” because, according to your article of faith, “they couldn’t get away with it. ever.” How do you know? Are you all knowing? Because you’d have to be: you’d have to KNOW that EVERY operation ever executed was, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, revealed to the public — and immediately, too. What are INVESTIGATIONS for, then? In fact, why don’t we just rid the English language of the word “investigation” — there’s ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR THAT CONCEPT, in your opinion, because the “secret will ALWAYS simply be revealed.” Investigations are, therefore, COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Go try and win that argument with a cop, or an FBI agent. Good luck with that.

Most “debunkers” rely very heavily on that last bit: “someone would have spoken up; a memo would have been leaked”, and yet they never follow through with that reasoning. WHO would have spoken up? Who would have the credentials AND the documentation to PROVE to you and the world, which has already decided they won’t believe ANY evidence that 9/11 was done by members of the US Gov’t, of the contrary? Oh, I know, a memo by Dick Cheney (the authenticity of which would be undeniable, of course), saying “Let’s kill thousands of Americans in a spectacular attack on the WTC — Signed, Dick Cheney”. Because Dick, being the sloppy, lazy guy that he is, would have WRITTEN something like that in the first place, and would then leave it for his cleaning lady to find.

recon, you DON”T know what it would take to do 9/11, because none of us do. None of us know how many people would have to KNOW about the plan, as opposed to being one of the tiny cogs in a machine whose purpose was unknown to said cogs. On the other hand, it is very reasonable to believe that the men in question, members of PNAC who on numerous occasions stated their extreme sense of urgency about overthrowing Saddam, “securing” the Middle East, and “revolutionizing” the US military, would decide that it served the “greater good” to sacrifice 3,000 or so Americans in their “catastrophic and catalyzing event”, without which their grand vision would never have come to pass. Simply saying, “no, they could never have gotten away with it, despite the fact that it’s never been investigated” is naive at best.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Letting it happen or blocking individuals from pursuing leads is slightly possible. slightly.
Al Qaeda being fake and making it happen by setting up thousands of pounds of explosives with out bomb sniffing dogs or the attentive security in those 3 buildings, especially WTCT7finding out, is impossible and ridiculous.
Remote controlling planes, missiles that are supposed to look like airliners, shooting down a plane and then firing a missile into the ground to simulate the impact site, etc….These are all bullshit and impossible..( I dont know which ones you buy into, just repeating what Ive seen here)

I know what it would take to do most of the theories implied on this site and know that it couldn’t happen. Nobody ive ever worked with, military, gov or private contractors would ever participate in something like this and most would die preventing it from happening.

Operation Northwoods was an idea written down on paper. People got fired for even approving it. That wasn’t even able to be kept a secret, and guess what, it’s happened since then and will happen again. But just as it has happened in the past, those around when it happened have come forward and stopped it from ever materializing. Technology and integrity have grown, not shrunk. Abu grahib was reported by their fellow soldier. The abuses at Gitmo was reported and collaborated by FBI/CIA folks who didn’t approve of what was going on (whistle blowers) and that’s exactly what would have happened with something like 9/11. Many people have already come out and blown the whistle on things people did wrong leading up to 9/11, just as the same people would report US involvement in 9/11.

You mentioned overthrowing Saddam. If you were carrying out 9/11 with the intent of using that event to rationalize the removal of saddam, would you implicate Saddam at all in the attacks? They could have implicated Iraq and Al Qaeda and no matter how shitty things got in Iraq, they could always say “they did 9/11 so its worth it” the same reason people are OK with no matter what we are doing in Afghanistan…Instead, they implicated the Pakistani ISI and Saudi royalty and then did absolutely nothing to them….Why would they release that information unless they planned on doing something about it? all it does is make them look worse and doesn’t make any sense if 9/11 was an inside job……They implicated people who they wanted to remain allies with and didn’t implicate people they had been planning on attacking fro years………………. You do know what the purpose/origin of a “false flag attack” is? right?
maninwarren Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 6:41 am
“How did they sneak thousands of lbs of demo past teh bomb sniffing dogs?”

Here’s how: Dick Cheney called Marvin Bush and told him he was conducting a secret exercise in the WTC. Marvin called his contacts in the world of security and, BEING THE PRESIDENT’S BROTHER, got a favor done. NEXT.

Is that EXACTLY how it happened? Who knows? No one can know, because THERE HASN’T BEEN A REAL INVESTIGATION. But you make these claims like “bomb-sniffing dogs” are a law of nature, and nothing, but NOTHING, can ever, EVER circumvent them. Once again, HOW DO YOU KNOW? ARE YOU THE ALL-KNOWING GOD?
Beck smacker Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Once again the grunt shows us his superior intellect, more powerful than a locomotive, jumps chow tables in a single bound, shoots himself in the foot in front of the Gunney. So nobody on this site or any other truth site is smarter than old super hero recon. He must be a four star, because everybody in his chain of command must be below his paygrade, which means as a marine his IQ is at least a 70.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:49 am
beck smacker-

Wow, you really seem to be infatuated with me, with nothing to say about the topic……..
Isaac_Newton_g=9.8m/s2 Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:32 am
A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite in the WTC dust ( english subtitles )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

Spray this VIDEO to the world

Evil of all times, ties and tries
You will fall at Free Fall Speed and are going to hell at vacuum speed
God means it
Beck smacker Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:33 am
For some one who has made such a great career(cannon fodder), you don’t have any room to tell your betters they “don’t know jack shit”.
Beck smacker Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Unless you were the dog, shit for brains, you would know the dogs were removed before 911 and that Bush’s brother was in charge, but why bother with this trash head people?, he resorts to the same lame shit everytime he comes to these threads He asks the same questions each time and is given detailed answers that are backed up with documentation. He never offers any documentation other than the 911 report. The base library on land as well as shipboard only carry the official propaganda. You are talking to a payed shill or a typical e-3 target with at best a G.E.D.
Beck smacker Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Lets see your documentation on the pilots licensed to fly all four jets on 911. While your at it pin head look into Bin Laden’s relationship to the Bush family. Why don’t you go find Henry Kissenger while on leave and ask him how he feels about your service, CHUMP. The engine parts photographed at the pentagon, where looked at by aviation engine experts and I”d as coming from one of three A-3 sky raiders that had been modified for global hawk remote control. Lets test any of the remains of any of the victims on those planes and see what really killed them. Why were those four aircaraft usually full, only carrying one fourth of their normal passenger load? Why were the highjackers not on the passenger manifest lists?How did they board the planes without boarding passes. If they had passes, how did they get matched with the boarding manifests? Come on super grunt, documentation ……………or just stick your gun in your mouth lean over, find the trigger, if you can and make us all proud.
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April 30th, 2009 at 9:31 am
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art Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Find it hard to believe our gov’t would intimadate witnesses!

My ex cop friend was sickened by the following websites – the author of the portland websites was recently interviewed on
http://www.coasttocoastam.com

http://portland.indymedia.org/.....0183.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/.....7523.shtml

God bless America – we certainly need it
maninwarren Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
@recon (because your last response was the deepest nest this forum allows, I respond as a new post)

“Letting it happen or blocking individuals from pursuing leads is slightly possible. slightly.”
Again, you claim to know what’s logistically possible and impossible for the most powerful men on Earth. To which I can only say, “How can you, unless you’re one of them?” Again, we’re talking LOGISTICALLY possible, as nothing I’ve claimed is anything like “physically impossible”.

“Al Qaeda being fake and making it happen by setting up thousands of pounds of explosives with out bomb sniffing dogs or the attentive security in those 3 buildings, especially WTCT7finding out, is impossible and ridiculous.”

Again, because you know what’s logistically possible and what isn’t. That’s just presumptuous arrogance. And given how high the stakes are, we can’t afford that.

“But just as it has happened in the past, those around when it happened have come forward and stopped it from ever materializing. Technology and integrity have grown, not shrunk. ”

WOW! So many unsupportable claims, so little time! How can you prove “integrity has grown”? Because you want to think so? Sorry, your love of fairy tales is showing.

“Many people have already come out and blown the whistle on things people did wrong leading up to 9/11, just as the same people would report US involvement in 9/11.”

Are you serious? I’ll name names: Anthony Schaffer and Sibel Edmonds. How were they treated? How was their whistleblowing followed up on? You’ve got to be kidding.

“You mentioned overthrowing Saddam. If you were carrying out 9/11 with the intent of using that event to rationalize the removal of saddam, would you implicate Saddam at all in the attacks? ”

Again, you work with what you’ve got. They couldn’t make the case against Saddam EVEN WITH the hyper-paranoid state the US was in after 9/11. But had there been vague ties to Bin Laden for years? YES. And once again: the point was their much beloved “transformation” — which didn’t just include Iraq, but Afghanistan and the rest of the oil-rich regions of the world.

“You do know what the purpose/origin of a “false flag attack” is? right?”

Yes, I think I understand the concept. I also understand that most “debunkers” argue with faith — like “whistleblowers will save us, we don’t need ANY investigation”, and “I’m ALL-KNOWING, and I KNOW what it would take to pull this off, and KNOWing that, I KNOW that it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to be an inside job, so we don’t need ANY investigation” — and think their faith is sufficient to prove a negative. The only REASONABLE argument is that they COULD HAVE done it, and since it was EXACTLY THE TYPE OF INCIDENT THEY *KNEW* THEY *HAD* TO HAVE IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THEIR RADICAL AGENDA, a REAL investigation is most certainly warranted.

May your passion serve the Truth.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
you answered nothing and assumed everything.

I never said I didnt want another investigation, in fact Ive stated many time I do.

maninwarren Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
That’s it?!! That’s the best you can do?! I answered you point for point, and all you can say is “you answered nothing and assumed everything.”???!!!

Show’s over folks. reconmarine has thrown it the towel. Nothing more to see.

NEXT!
Milwaukeerick Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Hey Jarhead – Please go to googlevideo.com and watch “The Reflecting Pool”. Let us know what you think AFTER you see the film. I would say to you that all the necessary ingredients for 9/11 being a false flag op are there – prior knowledge, controlled demolition, and cover up after the fact. Can you explain how perimeter columns from WTC 1 & 2 were thrown laterally for hundreds of feet, impaling themselves in neighboring buildings, or how microscopic bits of flesh and bone were found five years later atop the Duetcshe Bank Building? Gravity induced collapses DO NOT produce this phenomena.

reconmarine Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Ill watch the movie tonight and let you know.

I can tell you that if your implying the debris and body parts were thrown by demolitions, the amount of demo to cut 1 ft of steel would have been audible miles away, especially with the echoing effect of the buildings around. Ten times that amount would be needed to throw a steel piece that far.

I would suspect the sheer force of the collapse was sufficient to throw debris quite a ways…but again, Ill watch it tonight and let you know what i think…..

I beleive Ive already seen it but need to again to address specific claims amde.

JTCoyote Reply:
April 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
No…

I’m referring to the immutable and infallible laws of Newtonian physics that rule these and all collapses… Free fall acceleration at 32′ per second per second… or greater in the case of Tower 2… which is in both cases IMPOSSIBLE when the path of acceleration is impeded by crumbling through it’s own mass… unless that mass is being caused to fall independently, at or before it is contacted as it falls… the top floor fell almost 1/4 mile in 10 seconds… Free-fall speed… Think about it.

JTCoyoté

“I have always thought the actions of men
the best interpreters of their thoughts.”
~John Locke
pharaozcurse Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
again i posit the fact- in the history of skyscraper construction there are only 3 cases where they have been destroyed by fire. WTC 1,2,7 . i will swallow what your pushing and ignore the molten iron flowing from the sides of the towers minutes before and up to the collapse consistent with steel/thermite reaction. I will ignore the pools of molten steel that lingered for weeks in the basements while the crime scene was scooped up and sold to china. I will pretend the sounds of explosions going off the second the collapse began. If we cover our ears and not listen to the report of unreacted nanothermite discovered at the scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o .if we can all suspend belief and refuse to admit that the WTC 1,2,7 were built explicitly to withstand MULTIPLE jet strikes.

The fact remains – no skyscraper has ever collapsed from a structure fire. the well documented fire of the highrise in japan (which was comparable in size to WTC 7) was a towering inferno for 24 hours and did not collapse. If we accept your pancake theory on WTC 1,2 ,how praytell did WTC 7 collapse from a series of 8-12 office fires ?

I dont believe your trying to tell us the japaneese can build skyscrapers better than good old american engineering.
sanzo wolf Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
to debunkers watch u tube video North Tower Exploding from the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth. You can see pulsed explosions going off and the buildings being vaporized from top down.The steel beams are being hurled football fields away. There is no other explanation for this other than heavy duty explosives. The day 9/11 happened, many people asked, how the terrorists got the bombs in the building. Then of course it came out that if there were bombs in the buildings, that would mean it was an inside job. Well, we got in right the first time.
DFMD Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
The recon troll did his job well.

He has turned the focus on to himself and his neo-convoluted logic.

Well done private dunsel.

Next he will tell you it was another cave dweller who gene spliced the swine flu virus, and not some military lab, like the one the anthrax was traced to…and quickly forgotten.

Regards…

reconmarine Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 8:39 am
cave dweller? You mean the caves they used to defeat the soviet Army in?
Or the ones developed by the family of the largest engineering company int eh WORLD?

Ive been to Afghanistan, Ill be the first to say there are fucking dumb shits there, but what your saying about bin laden and the high jackers is the furthest from reality..

whatever helps your theories stay alive…
me to u Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 6:36 am
reconman

You know that you are the most persistantly optimistic person on the comments pages. I was saying on this site not so long ago that we only have 4 actual physical pieces of evidence to prove our allegations. explosive materials, the money trail, the wittnesses who were inside the buildin, and squibs on the sides of the building. This is where you come into it reconman.

When you are presented with a histroy making amount of coincidences and not question how unbeleivably impossible it is for that many coincidences to happen on the same day and yet still look at the good side of a bad situation and laugh it off as a bunch of loons making shit up, makes me think you do not have a negitive bone in your body . You know reconman I have a very hard time believing that all of the coincidences of that day weren’t really coincidences. Please keeping so optimistic as long as you can be, I will be here within these pages when your country slips further into a cespool of debt and corupution and you have to write this from a fema camp or a jail cell.

Please, stay in this optimistic frame of mind

reconmarine Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 8:37 am
me to u-

You know, If I didnt know shit about terrorism and if I believed everything i read on 9/11 truth sites, I’d feel the same way you do…

1) Explosions in building fires are COMMON. Demolition is a thousands times louder then what was heard and reported on 9/11. People would be deaf and blind if they were in those buildings when enough demo went off to blow a foot of steel, let alone 47 steel columns. (yes, people survived the collapse that aren’t blind or deaf)

2) Demolition squibs happen BEFORE the buildings collapse because they are caused by the EXPLOSIVES making the building fall….. On 9/11, the “squibs” are seen AFTER and DURING the collapse sequence had started, caused by an acre of concrete and steel landing on another acre..

3) The samples taken 9 years after the attacks were tested by 9 people who all already beleive 9/11 was a controlled demolition. Washed up scientists, some who have been fired for not being able to back up their previous claims about 9/11. I’m not a scientists, so ill wait for demolition experts to look into what they “found” and make my decision then. I would suggest looking at the last time Steven Jones said he found thermite……..Wasn’t really the case….

KS Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 10:41 am
Again, I will point out the fact that the human mind is weak.

The problem that everyone has with this “evidence” is its clear lack of scientific objectivity. They try to find evidence to support a theory. This is actually the opposite of the scientific method – the same error that was committed by the Inquisition in Galilei’s case.

I do not understand how these “scientists” have managed to lose their senses, but I’m going to assume that they have been blackmailed, bribed or are just too mentally weak to face the objective truth about the demolitions.

The correct way of objective scientific study is to assess empirical observations and evidence. After enough observations and experimentation can a “theory” be created. This is the correct way of doing things.

What the government did on 9/11 was to prevent objective scientific study of the towers’ collapse. We have no proof, because the evidence was destroyed. There is no rubble to examine, there are no records of the Pentagon crash, there are no plane parts.

What we do have is a story that we are told not to assess. We have no physical evidence, because that evidence was removed. And that you cannot refute. This is a valid point which your government has to respond and to give justification for their actions.

Why would the government deliberately destroy evidence? Why would they prevent people from examining ALL the evidence?

And this makes your “scientific” theories completely unscientific. It is unscientific to create any theories whatsoever unless there FIRST is evidence from the theory can be arrived at.

For example, Bhazant & Zhou’s equations are unscientific. They fail at the simplest level: they SET OUT to prove a theory. The collapse of the Towers is not a mathematical incident. It is a CRIME (the only thing that we disagree on is the perpetrators). It did NOT happen on paper. The buildings left physical EVIDENCE – evidence of a CRIME.

9/11 was a CRIME. And what the US authorities did on 9/11 was a complete and systemic failure of adhering to the most BASIC FORENSIC INVESTIGATION. They broke the law by removing the rubble. They broke the law by removing the “plane fragments” from the Pentagon. It’s called obstruction of justice and removal of evidence, my friend.

Every police officer should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen on the simple basis that the crime was too much for them to handle. Their minds were repelled by the phenomenon

They removed evidence from a crime scene. And that is illegal. They deliberately removed evidence and thus, quite effectively, prevented scientific study.

So, all your proof has no backing whatsoever, because the GOVERNMENT destroyed evidence. And that you cannot refute.

I’m constantly amazed by the blindness of the US academic, law enforcement and media circles’ lack of self-criticism on this matter. I cannot figure out why they cannot see this simple violation of the scientific method. They must be psychologically incompetent to investigate this (incapable of impartial study).

It seems we must investigate the investigators as well.

They and YOU are making excuses that prevent objective forensic study of a CRIME. And that is illegal. You are a criminal. Period.

reconmarine Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 2:32 pm
The example your giving about the governments hundreds of experts, private and government, is the exact same thing the people who discovered nano thermate did.
They are all truthers who believed the demolition theory before they even started their research.
Steven Jones first thought it was thermite. Then realized he should ahve found massive amounts of barium nitrate and aluminum oxide, but he didnt. So then thought, how could it have been a controlled demolition without that stuff, so they found an incendiary that fit what they found “nano thermate”………

It’s a wonder why real demolition experts wouldn’t use something that can withstand airliner impacts, massive fires, falling steel and debris and still have 100% effectiveness detonating……
pharaozcurse Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 10:22 am
your right, i should have researched the fires more. I cant find any evidence to back my fire claim except what i have heard on various videos. i know better than to claim “facts” without researching sources. I cant find the facts to back your claims either. but i dont remember a plane hitting wtc 7,can you post that video? all the vedeo i’ve ever seen looks like a dozen offices or so on fire. can you please speak to that.
pharaozcurse Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 10:32 am
I believe the scientist that has published the nanothermite report is on alex ’s radio show today. lets hear what he has to say before we continue to argue over an event that we cannot know the truth.

we do know that the gov’t’s policy is to exploit “terrorist” atacks and the rights our forefathers gave there lives to defend and enact, suffer in the aftermath.

we also know that our “mis”leaders are not the wisest and brightest our society can produce. They are kept out of the mix purposely.

it is a matter of conjecture that our education system and society is geared to produce left brained robots indoctrinated ,enslaved to the dollar ,whose value becomes less and less everyday.

I do think its important that we all question what we have been told and accept that America ended in 1865. when lincoln and his boys usurped the authority of the states and the federalists coup destroyed the america that was created by the constitution it was the beginning of the end.

they have spent the last 150 years consolidating there authority and building an unassailable defence against those of us who would like to see America become great again. The America which was created by the constitution.
pharaozcurse Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 10:53 am
Reconmarine, why would you straight up LIE. I have google too ya know. again, In the history of skyscrapers none EXCEPT WTC 7 has collapsed due to fire alone. INCLUDING the fire in Madrid. shame on you, here i was willing to listen to you and you just LIE.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wt.....fires.html
http://www.infowars.com/articl.....nferno.htm

KS Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 11:09 am
You don’t have to present theories. They have to prove theirs. Which they cannot do.

You have to ask the US authorities why they committed a felony by removing the evidence from the scene of a CRIME.

And you have to ask the investigators why they failed to remove themselves.

The whole official investigation of 9/11 should be restarted on the simple ground
9/11 cannot be investigated by Americans.

A police officer is prevented from investigating his spouse’s murder, because he cannot perform objectively. And having the US authorities investigate the 9/11 CRIME is the equivalent of letting this happen.

We need a panel of non-US forensic experts that weigh all the evidence. 9/11 was a CRIME, and the authorities have prevented proper forensic investigation. And it is not unfair to ask why. It is not unfair, unpatriotic or unreasonable to demand a proper criminal investigation on the murder of 3000 people.

It is not unfair to ask why some people clearly want this investigation not to happen. Those people need to justify why they do not want a CRIME to be solved. Those people need to explain why they do not demand to see the evidence, and ask why the physical evidence from a CRIME SCENE was removed BY THE AUTHORITIES.

It is appalling to see that people who claim to be scientists and criminal investigators FAIL to demand this. They are apologists, incompetent and should be ASHAMED. They are helping the CRIMINALS by shutting up. They are not helping. Their silence is in fact aiding and abetting in the cover up of MURDER. Because 9/11 was MASS MURDER.

And if some people don’t want MASS MURDERS to be investigated properly need to explain why.

reconmarine Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I didnt lie idiot.
You cant find that on those sites because they DONT WANT YOU TO SEE IT.
Refine your search techniques.

The entire WTC buildings steel was not encased in concrete. Something all steel framed buildings are legally obliged to now be.

The top 11 floors of the Windsor tower was not encased in concrete. It collapsed from fire alone.

Other steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone.
I never said Skyscrappers but THINK!!!!!!!!! If the top 11 floors of a steel framed skyscraper can fall from FIRE ALONE, why don’t you think a steel framed skyscraper with fire and structural damage can fall?

Since you apparently are only able to search in 9/11 truth sites, Ill do it fro you….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Building

http://www.elmundo.es/document.....index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....261315.stm

So…..Now that you should realize the “truth” sites leave this very applicable aspect of the story OFF their sites……..Ask yourself why would they be deceitful if they call themselves TRUTH sites……..

I wont lie, I have no reason to. If i don’t know something Ill look it up or say “I dont know”

KS Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Reconboy, quit your job with the mafia. Because that’s who you are helping.

You do not understand the scientific method.
You do not understand the simplest forensic procedure.
You do not understand basic psychology.

You cannot comprehend the fact that your leaders are corrupt; that you have been systematically lied to; that your country is run by an organized crime network.

You are NOT helping. You are obviously incapable of rational thought, and you are wasting your life defending lies. You are obviously incapable of noticing that you are constantly manipulated. Every commercial you see is an act of manipulation.

You are NOT helping. You are NOT a scientist, a proper investigator. You are an apologist for a crime network.

People like you are EXACTLY the reason tyrannies manifest. People like you enable religions to shape societies, and people like you prevent others from improving life.

You are NOT helping. You are preventing the progress of society.

You are a pitiful, sad example of human race, its basic psychological weaknesses and a wonderful specimen for behavioral scientists. You are incapable of judging your own behaviour, your motives for doing things and evaluating whether you are in control of your thoughts.

You are a human being who is behaving like a hairless monkey. And the people at the top have been exploiting hairless monkeys for centuries. You may feel anger and humiliation in the face of this fact.

You are a product of your culture. And your culture has designers that peddle to your animal instincts. If the human race insists on behaving like a bunch of hairless monkeys, then the human race gets what it deserves.

We get stupid, ruthless and selfish leaders that view their subjects as cattle. Cattle is expendable. The cattle’s opinions don’t matter, because the cattle behaves like hairless monkeys.

We do NOT need people like you. We do NOT need a “scientific community” that defends outright lying, and we do NOT need leaders that prevent forensic investigation.

What we need is better people. People who will demand better things.

Go watch Paris Hilton, go have a burger, go hit some other hairless monkey.

If you have nothing useful to say, then you have to learn how to BE QUIET.
Bruce Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
What happened to discussing the topic? The article states that intimidation and retribution were part of the investigation. So, why would these tactics be used? When I read books about JFK assassination the FBI did the same thing to witnesses. If testimony doesn’t agree with agenda, then coerce the witness. Some witnesses backed down, and others refused. Some of the most vocal witnesses were eliminated. Recon stated cables used to pull building WTC 7 down. First time I ever heard that one. 01 May show-Alex had a Danish physicist on and he agrees with Steven Jones’ finding. Dust samples from ground zero have proof of thermite. As he stated: “nano-thermite”. Too bad the government is run by criminals. This planet would be a much enjoyable place to live. My view has always been GREED is their main motivator.

reconmarine Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Actually JACK ASS, I said the term “pull it”, when used in demolitions, refers to the process of attaching cables to a weakened structure and pulling it down, not setting off prepositioned explosives and I NEVER said thats what happened to WTC7 on 9/11.
Because, in an prerecorded interview, Larry Silverstien, the WTC lease holder said he received a phone call from the fire chief and he said maybe we should just “pull it”, meaning , we have had such terrible loss of life already that morning, maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull the firemen out and not risk more death.

THEN you retards latched on to that comment and made it sound like this very smart and wealthy businessman blew the entire operation by letting everyone know that the building was prerigged with bombs and he needed the fire chiefs permission to blow it up… Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever especially because he thought nothing of it when he said it and let the taped interview walk right out the door…..

Get your shit straight Bruce
me to u Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Reconman

Level 5 alert your country is on because of a non exsistant pandemic, at the moment anyway . Level 6 is the definition of marshal law. When you are sitting in a FEMA camp(conspiracy) or quarintined at home, reading your 911 comission report( Sci Novel), waiting to to be force vacinated (conspiricy), will you still not believe 911 was a massive inside job? You see, with out 911 you would not of had laws to allow for marshal law.

The NWO is real and you just continue to so optimistic about the future and what has happened in the past it is amazing. The NWO have done a really good job on you. It is a pity that it is going to take the above to happen before you relise. Without 911 the western world would be a very different place.

I only have one comment about your previous post to me. The squibs on building 7 are as plain as the nose on your face. Any court of law would except that as evidence. The witenesses who did escape all say the same thing. that also would be taken in as evidence. You know it as well.
Milwaukeerick Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Hey Jarhead: You DID NOT address my previous posting, so here is even more food for thought. Let’s say you are right and OBL & the “19 hijackers” succeeded in defeating a TRILLION DOLLAR defense and intelligence apparatus. Why not fly the “hijacked aircraft” into a nuclear power plant? If the goal of the mission is to maximize the damage to the U.S. that is. Al -CIAda can defeat our vaunted military but isn’t smart enough to fly an aircraft into the EAST side of the Pentagon, where all the top brass has their offices, they choose the newly renovated WEST side where the Naval accounting records where kept on the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars Rumsfeld was supposed to talk about. Look at the testimony of William Rodriguez, who told the 9/11 Omission that he was in the sub levels of WTC 1 when 15 seconds BEFORE AA11 struck there was a massive explosion BENEATH him! Also, look at the testimony of Norman Mineta, Sec. of Transportation , who was in the PEOC with Cheney on 9/11, when a young aide kept coming in saying “Sir, the plane is 10 miles out, do the orders still stand”? Good Luck!

Glenn Beck sucks Reply:
May 1st, 2009 at 4:01 pm
good luck getting a coherent answer from that jarhead.
Milwaukeerick Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Hey Jarhead – “Nobody knows why they hit the targets they did”….. The official story doesn’t add up! Instead of killing millions of Americans and rendering huge swaths of America a nuclear wasteland “they” chose instead to kill a couple thousand by striking a white elephant money losing office complex with a Billion – dollar asbestos liability! You are entitled to your own opinion but you ARE NOT entitled to your own facts. William Rodriguez’s story has been consistent throughout and once Bush/Cheney and their sycophants in the corporate controlled media figured out that he would not change his story, they dropped him like a hot potato! Cheney’s orders were to NOT shoot down any incoming projectile! Andrews AFB is 11 miles from the Pentagon – why were no F -16’s in place to defend Washington 34 minutes after it was clear the U.S. was under attack?
pharaozcurse Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 10:55 pm
that is good point about “. WHY THE FUCK would they use demo in the BASEMENT when the collapse CLEARLY started at the top????????That makes no sense …” why dont you ask the FBI why they allowed it to happen in 93 when they gavethe terrorist a live bomb to do just that. or that didnt happen either.
just another dumb f**k Says:
May 1st, 2009 at 11:49 pm
I have always been fascinated with wtc7. Especially after seeing the BBC report, with the “Solomon Bldg” standing in the background, and reporting that it had “fallen”. What happened next is the classic evidence of a coverup – denial, then a claim that there was no timestamp, then another copy surfaces with a timestamp, then that copy disappears …

People like recon believe what they are told, not realizing that the media has been co-opted for years …

Someday, when we’re all in FEMA camps, sitting around the fire, we can compare notes.

I used to believe all the “official stories”, especially when I was in the USAF, but then, by accident, I got caught up in a low-level govt conspiracy, Sheriff, Judges, DA, etc and ever since I have noticed the corruption extends to the top! Some cops, elected officials, govt bureaucrats, etc, are honest, but an evil subset has infiltrated (and infected) the halls of power.

I weep for our republic.

rmarine-appreciator Reply:
May 2nd, 2009 at 6:42 am
Do you mean sitting around the fire, or waiting in line ?
rmarine-appreciator Says:
May 2nd, 2009 at 6:33 am
The asbestos abatement was going to cost a lot of money, the towers were already losing money. The explosion in the sublevel story has been corroborated by other witnesses. The fires were not hot enough to weaken the main part of the supporting structure, the inner core , for the entire building to demolish at close to free fall. While I appreciate your opinion, and apparent research into many details, its obvious you have come to the facts with a passionate paradigm. What you can not argue however is there is no evidence that a nano thermate has been isolated in the debris. This proves , for anyone who came to this more neutrally, NIST has been used to cover up a crime. This implicates some faction of the government.

I have to give you credit, in appreciation of some very skillful obfuscation at more than a few points in this thread. “Pull it” refers to firemen ? That really works for you? I can guess maybe you think , even if it was a false flag terror operation, PNAC was right: noting your comments about Russia and China.

Consider, just for the sake of argument, this did take place as it seems is only possible to many, as an inside military operation. Consider the same regard for human life pointed in your direction, or that of your family. If this was a crime, should it not be investigated? We have physical evidence of the crime. If you say no, I consider that treasonous.
Milwaukeerick Says:
May 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 am
O.K. Jarhead, more questions you won’t answer. Look at the odd behavior of Bush on the morning of 9/11. After Andy Card came into the classroom to whisper in his ear that the U.S. is under attack Bush continues to read “My Pet Goat” to second graders for seven minutes and continues to remain at Emma Booker for another twenty five minutes! If the U.S. was really under attack the Secret Service would have whisked him away instantly. Furthermore, when he did leave the school he took the same pre – planned route to the airport, took off for Barksdale AFB with NO military escort when his whereabouts and plans were all public knowledge! Why were no hijack codes sent from any of the flights on 9/11? Can you explain the multiple wargames/ training exercises occuring that morning? (Northern Vigilance, Vigilant Warrior, Amalgam Virgo, Tripod II, etc. Another coincedence?) Why were none of the people most responsible for the catastrophic failures of our gov’t to protect the U.S. punished for their mistakes? I’m talking about Gen. Myers, Kindasleazy Rice and George Tenet. Not only were they not fired or court martialed, they were PROMOTED! Explain the BBC, CNN, and a Fox affiliate in D.C. ALL reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened! I thought they are in the NEWS business! They are either omniscient or were reading from a pre arranged script!
Milwaukeerick Says:
May 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Sure can, Jarhead! You didn’t answer why no one was IN ANY WAY disciplined, reprimanded or fired for their failures that morning! Back to more questions my Bushlicker friend. As you know, the Pentagon (and Washington D.C.) is ringed with anti – aircraft missile batteries automatically programed to fire at any incoming projectile NOT emmiting a friendly signal. So whatever hit the Pentagon WAS sending a friendly signal from its transponder. Why is the initial entrance hole WAY TO SMALL to accomadate a 757? Why was the F.B.I. confiscating the videotape from the Sheraton,Citgo and Virginia DOT 5 minutes after the pentagon was struck? Within a few hours after the 9/11 events the F.B.I. released names and photos of the suspected hijackers but they could’nt stop the attacks and the BBC reported six of them to still be alive? Also you are overlooking an important point – the Twin Towers were OVER engineered to withstand MULTIPLE impacts of jet aircraft, Mr. Yamasaki, Leslie Robertson, John Skilling and Frank DeMartini can be viewed attesting to this fact. If fires brought down the towers, why was the second tower struck (WTC 2) the first to fall? Go back to your history books and find how often a self inflicted wound like Sept. 11 has been used to initiate wars. The incubator babies from the first Gulf War (there were’nt any) , the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (McNamara and Stockdale admit it never happened), Roosevelt having prior knowledge of Pearl Harbor and letting it happen to whip up war fever, the sinking of the Luisitania prior to WW 1, the blowing up of the Maine in Havana,etc. And you got the balls to criticize the 9/11 truth movement for being skeptical about the gov’t story? Keep playing G.I. Joe and drinking the neo -con kool -aid buddy. The NWO needs cannon fodder for its wars of global resource theft and world domination! Better YOU than ME! To quote a line from “The Outlaw Josey Wales” – “Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’, BOY!”
just another dumb f**k Says:
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Jarhead is also making an assumption that by “inside job” that also means “Bush knew” and I am NOT convinced of that.

My own personal theory is that flt 96 was intended to go into wtc7. When that didn’t happen, 7 was “pulled”.

But the spin machine says 96 was aiming for the Capitol! And FAA and NORAD charts “confirm” that “fact”.
just another dumb f**k Says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 am
whatever
Milwaukeerick Says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 7:00 am
Jarhead – Oh, you “have no idea why no one was fired” after 9/11. I told you already people were PROMOTED not disciplined! DICK Myers from acting CJCS to Chairman, Kindasleazy Rice from NSA to Sec. of State, and Bush kept Tenet on at the Cocaine Import Agency and pinned the MOF on him! People that DO AS THEY’RE TOLD seldom see repurcussions. You also FAILED to answer why NO hijack signal was sent from any of the four aircraft. Sorry, Jarhead, the damage at the Pentagon is NOT consistent with a 757 strike – unless you buy the vaporization of huge titanium jet engine fairy tale! Not to mention the unliklihood of Hani Hanjour pulling off a 280 degree manuever when he couldn’t even fly a Cessna! Why doesn’t the F.B.I. RELEASE THE VIDEOTAPES they have? National Security? The people are dead and 9/11 was almost 8 years ago! Could it be that they have something to hide? (Yes!) I can hear you already – they HAVE released four still frame photos (After pressure from truthers) that have the wrong date (Sept. 12) and incorrect time stamp, and even a brainwashed dunce like you will admit does NOT show a 757! There have also been several strange deaths surrounding 9/11 – Barry Jennings last summer and Bertha Champagne in 2003 – Marvin Bush’s housekeeper ( Bush was a principal at Securacom now Stratasec). Please regale us with your horseshit take on her strange demise. Could it be she stumbled onto something she wasn’t supposed to see or just another in a long line of coincidences? You are wrong about the 9/11 truth movement – most of us are FED UP with Gov’t lies! If you had lived through 2 Kennedy assassinations, MLK, Watergate, Waco, Ruby Ridge, OK City,etc. you begin to develop a cynicism towards official gov’t pronouncements. You, on the other hand, strike me as about 30 years old (give or take a couple) from a military/Republican family? Am I right? The point of all this, Jarhead, is we in the movement want a REAL investigation into what happened on 9/11!
Freedom Lives! Says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
ReconMarine,

Whose payroll are you on? I’m willing to bet that you are paid to try to debunk the debunkers. The amount of posts that you have made relative to the “lost cause” of trying to “educate” the misinformed indicates to me that you have greater motivitations (compensation to do this). Otherwise, you would just stop posting and use your time productively doing something else.

I’ll spell it out to you in plain English. It goes like this: A husband gets a $1 million life insurance policy on his wife (she’s earns little to no money). A year later she’s dies under mysterious causes and the husband collects the $1 million. Most people would know the husband was involved in the death. But, you would tell everyone you can’t prove it.

The problem is we all know better. The government doesn’t need to harass or intimidate anyone if the events of 9-11 went down exactly the way we have been told. THe “truth” will bear everything out (for the most part). So testimony after testimony will keep reinforcing the “truth” (the reality of what happened). No need to control the outcome (coerce and intimidate). As I said before, you are a useful idiot.

I hope you are well paid to keep challenging the “truth” of 9-11?

KS Reply:
May 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
That’s the thing. We have no proper investigators. It must be assumed that there is widespread corruption in the government.

Maybe the whole idea of Western-style government, banking and politics exists on the basis of corruption? It cannot be outright denied. Maybe the idea of Western-style government is for liars, slavers and control freaks?

It seems that the US law enforcement agencies are so weak that they cannot investigate some areas of their own government.

When Bernanke refuses to let Congress audit the Fed, he needs to explain why. Well, it’s a simple principle.

“If the Fed’s books are OK, why won’t Bernanke let them look?”
“If the 9/11 Official Version is OK, why don’t the CIA, FBI and NSA let them look?”

They should be saying “Fine, here’s all the information, please look. You will find that everything we say checks out. Please add more details if you find them.”

And if some people try to prevent this, they need to explain why. They need to explain why they want to prevent objective and honest research.
whacknut Says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
the truth movement is what ?
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

reconmarine Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 8:46 am
There are 2 different people in here.

1) Whack nuts whos prior job really had nothing to do with terrorism, special operations, etc and who think it was a controlled demo, remote control planes, US did it, Alex Jones types.

2) People whos job did have applicable experience, and they have legitimate questions, like me, but do not think anyone but Al Qaeda did 9/11 or that it was a controlled demo. (IE. Bob Baer ) But, you guys, as you always do, will take their comments WAY out of context or imply the mean something more then they do. IE. Bob Baer saying “evidence points to an inside job”. Meaning, people were in places, airports, that helped high jackers, technically an inside job, but not the entire plot done by Americans or Jews…

I suggest really looking at the claims of the people who REALLY have applicable backgrounds..
peter johnson Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am
One thing that hasn’t been brought up is how the Truth Sites never bother to show the severely damaged side of WTC7 — you know, the side of the building that was almost completely missing (See the Skeptic Magazine pictures) — and instead prefer to cling to the fiction that WTC7 was structurally sound at the time of collapse. Also, the fact that actual demolition is always bottom-up and never top-down. Also, that actual demolition frequently goes wrong & doesn’t work. I recall decades ago when demolition experts tried 3 times to unsuccessfully blow up a wooden roller coaster in Virgina Beach near where I lived. Quite comical at the time. Whatever else the Truth Sites come up with, I still cannot get my head around the fact that nobody noticed the miles of cable & detonators & carefully placed explosive charges that would have taken weeks of installation, if not months, to successfully ensure that the buildings collapsed as planned. Also, I’m surprised to find people here still saying no plane hit the Pentagon, when you can go over to snopes.com & plainly see the wreckage. I can’t believe the Truth Site version of things because they require more mental gymnastics that the Skeptic Magazine and Popular Mechanics version of things. Sorry.

reconmarine Reply:
May 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Peter- This is exactly what they dont want you to see….Anyone who truly wants to know the truth, has to be severely discouraged by the amount of deception, lying and half truths presented in the self titled “truth” sites/movies.

They dont like people seeing the WTC7 damage because it goes against their theories. When showing the collapse, they start the video AFTER the mech penthouse fell. If you look at an aerial pic of WTC7 (before 9/11) and see how much of WTC7 needed to fall for the penthouse to collapse in that manner, you realize WTC7 fell in a progressive collapse and it definitely wasn’t at “free fall” speeds.

Regarding the use of thermate/thermite. Why wouldn’t all controlled demolitions be done with thermate? It is so much cheaper then dynamite or TNT, and according to the truthers, it can withstand airliner impacts, falling steel and concrete, water damage, jet fuel and still will go off without making the distinct and extremely loud bang bang bang that are heard for miles when a real controlled demolition goes off.

As far as nobody noticing the miles of det cord etc that needed to be snuck into highly secure buildings, undetected by any of the bomb sniffing dogs, what about securing it to areas that were not accessible by doors like the inner 47 columns? The bad guys would have had to cut walls to access those inner columns undetected over a period of many months. Now, truthers will tell you some floors had been powered down the weekend before because Scott Forbes said so, but in reality, they couldn’t prep one floor clandestinely over a weekend, let alone the entire building.

Regarding the Pentagon. I like to ask them if they were in DC or Virginia, and saw a missile, which looks and sounds nothing like a 757, would they be easily fooled into thinking it was a 757? Are they that dumb too? They ignore the eye witness reports of seeing the plane hit. The like to mention the planes maneuvers being impossible right before they say it wasn’t a plane, they like to ignore the pictures of the bodies, engines, luggage and the FDR data, all to make their fairy tales appear like reality….Whats really sad is they dont seem to realize their self proclaimed leaders probably know these are all bullshit theories, yet they continue to make movies and spew the lies because they are making MONEY!!!! They call others “sheep” because they think others haven’t seen what they have or that they are ignoring the facts, when in reality, the truthers are the Sheep. They blindly follow the truther sites, without ever doing any independent research.

A good example, on top of the replies this post will get, is they always repeat already debunked claims. Ive heard so many people on this site talk about GW Bush’s brother owning the security company of the WTC’s…..Anyone who has looked outside the truth sites knows this isn’t true at all, but they keep repeating it so newbies will latch on to their theories…..As if you could just flash a family tree and bypass security at a building housing the CIA, State Dept, military etc……

Basically, they dont really care about the truth, they care about themselves and feeling important. Every time I reply and debunk their claims, they ignore it as if it didn’t just happen and they move on to another claim or simply call me names or say I work for the CIA or something like that. Ive offered everyone to debate me on truther radio program but nobody has the balls. Ive offered to meet them in person to debunk the CIA claims, since Im home on leave right now, as you can imagine…………..No takers….

Sad sick people they are, but fun to fuck with……

whacknut Reply:
May 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
“the severely damaged side of WTC7 — you know, the side of the building that was almost completely missing (See the Skeptic Magazine pictures)”

….right, its obvious to everyone but you apparently, you provide

no link, there are no clear photos, you don’t even know what side of the building you’re talking about.

here ya go : http://911research.wtc7.net/wt.....fire3.html
UnfortunateSon Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
You are on leave from service and you have spent the past 6 days arguing the same stale tripe? Again, you are on leave from a warzone AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO FOR FUN? Here I will describe the type of person you are with a quote on of my favorite comedy writers, “sad sick people they are…”