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My Lai, Zapruder and 9/11
George Washington’s Blog
Friday, Aug 15, 2008
It is obvious that the government is hiding evidence regarding 9/11. For example, the government has claimed that no flight recorders were recovered from the airplanes which hit the Twin Towers. However, firefighters stated they did recover the flight recorders. And Dan Rather confirmed that they were recovered.
9/11 activists have repeatedly demanded that the government reveal the videos, photographs, and other documentary evidence so that we can assess the truth for ourselves (see this, for example).
Government Hides Behind Copyright Law
Not only has the government refused to share the evidence, it has threatened to dispose of it. For example, NIST recently responded to a FOIA request by saying that it would not share many videos and photographs but would – instead – give the originals back to the people who shot them (scroll down to comment titled “NIST Said At Least 50% Of Work Won’t Be Released”).
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The government’s theory is – apparently – that the copyright for the video and photos is owned by the people who shot them, and that sharing them with others would constitute copyright infringement. Specifically, copyright law states that the owner of the copyright can prevent others from duplicating or reproducing the copyrighted work. (Copyright is actually frequently used in an attempt to crush free speech and dissent, but that’s another story).
The My Lai/Zapruder Exception
Is there any way around the government’s copyright argument?
Yes, there is a possible exception, which could be called the “My Lai/Zapruder Exception”. As one court summarizes the principle:
Citing the exclusive photographs of the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War and the Zapruder home movie of the assassination of President John Kennedy as examples, Nimmer proposes that “where the ‘idea’ of a work contributes almost nothing to the democratic dialogue, and it is only its expression which is meaningful,” copyright protection of the expression should be limited in the interest of public access to information necessary to effective public dialogue. Id. at 1 – 82-1 – 84. Nimmer explains:
No amount of words describing the “idea” of the massacre could substitute for the public insight gained through the photographs. The photographic expression, not merely the idea, became essential if the public was to fully understand what occurred in that tragic episode. It would be intolerable if the public’s comprehension of the full meaning of My Lai could be censored by the copyright owner of the photographs. . . .
Similarly, in the welter of conflicting versions of what happened that tragic day in Dallas, the Zapruder film gave the public authoritative answers that it desperately sought; answers that no other source could supply with equal credibility. Again, it was only the expression, not the idea alone, that could adequately serve the needs of an enlightened democratic dialogue.
Id. at 1 – 83-1 – 84.
Nimmer recognizes, however, that denying copyright protection to news pictures might defeat the ultimate First Amendment goal of greater public access to information by inhibiting or destroying the business of news photography. Id. at 1 – 84.1-1 – 85. The treatise therefore suggests a news photograph in which idea and expression are inseparable should be subject to a compulsory licensing scheme unless within a month of its making, the photograph appears in the newspapers, magazines or television news programs servicing a given area. Id. at 1 – 85. n5
Nimmer is the leading treatise on copyright law. So Nimmer’s opinions carry great weight.
I would strongly recommend that all 9/11 truth activists and attorneys seeking documentary evidence cite the My Lai/Zapruder Exception, and demand that the government release all of the videos, photos, and other evidence related to 9/11.
The same holds true for those seeking the truth about anthrax or any other issue concerning which the government is stonewalling.
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August 15th, 2008 at 6:44 am
Wake up George. “Demanding” governments to release non-existent evidence is a waste of time. Any more “evidence” it/they release regarding the fantasy of planes flying silently, inside/through 500,000 ton steel and concrete buildings in one piece ,without even slowing down, plus with no pieces flying off at impact, will just be more fake “evidence”.
Any flight recorders “found” were planted, just like the 1 engine “found” after the FBI planted it there.
Still, if they release such “evidence” and you and your pals like A Jones, M Reviera etc. are dumb enough to believe it, more power to you!
We don’t need no more stinking government “evidence”.
“Social Service” [http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice/ ]and others have already completely destroyed, the planes through buildings fantasy.
http://www.onebornfree.blogspot.com
August 15th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Go back to sleep America. Nothing to see here.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:33 am
“Building Six” said:”There were no planes. See Dr. Judy Wood.
obf: true, but Ms Woods research has got absolutely nothing to do with no planes issue.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Actually, what we don’t need is more idiot government shills here posting no plane bullshit. You wanna play that game, center it on the pentagon. you’ll have a hard time impressing me, someone who WATCHED THE PLANES
August 15th, 2008 at 7:58 am
The Z-film likely wasn’t shot by Zapruder ( a member of the rightwing Solidarist group and a CIA stooge,) but a CIA cameraman nearby. Either way, the film was extensively ‘doctored’ by the FBI, CIA and Time-Life stooges after the face. Dan Rather is a proven liar.He built an entire bullshit ‘career’ on a mountain of lies.
August 15th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Trillions of dollars are at stake once the world realizes that the media was complicit and culpable in the crimes of 911. Long after Bush is gone the media itself will have to answer why it committed the crimes it did. New laws must be passed saying that NO corporate or corporation that will profit from false flag events like 911 can ever own or control a “news” oulet.
Billions of dollars are being spent to control anyone, site, forum, discussion, truth group from ever discussing that No Planes existed on 911. What does no planes mean? It means the media LIED and was complicit and liable.
Watch both parts for an introduction of the media conspiracy to committ murder:
http://www.livevideo.com/video.....-half.aspx
August 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am
They’re not going to give any photos or videos back to anyone. If they did that, the owners could put them out there for us to see. If the government has something that discredits the official story, which they surely do, they’ll either keep it or destroy it.
Has anyone ever tried to contact the employees of the hotel across from the Pentagon. (I think it was a Marriot.) Everything I’ve read claims that employees were gathered around watching the video when the FBI showed up and confiscated it. I’d like to know what was on that video. What did those people see?
August 15th, 2008 at 9:41 am
The hotel directly across the way from the pentagon, and sporting views showing exactly what DID hit the pentagon, is the Sheraton. Find out more by watching Zeitgeist (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/)
which I cannot recommend enough. Alternatively, American audiences may find the doccu-movie Loose Change (final cut) to be more accessible. Zeitgeist is free to watch/ download and own. It is a MUST-WATCH, not because of the answers you might think it provides, but because of the questions it forces you to ask.
I am not an american -and I am unspeakably glad about that- but if I were an american, I would demand more of my government. I would rally my community to demand the truth, for the lives lost, not only on september 11th, 2001, but for the thousands of lives lost since, in the two third world countries america seems intent on destroying (in case you didn’t get it, I mean: Afghanistan, and Iraq).
I would further petition my government to stop invading third world countries. Why is it that disputes with developed countries (particularly ones that are nuclear-capable) are always solved peacefully, whereas third world countries (make no mistake, Iraq has become 3rd world after 10+ Years of sanctions) are always invaded? North Korea (1950’s), Vietnam (60’s-70’s), Iraq (90’s), and again Iraq (2001+). Of course, now that North Korea is developing/ developed, and no longer a third world country, invading it is out of the question, as they now have the means to fight back. Get a Grip, bullying politicians of america. The world outside see’s you as a bully of third world countries, and bereft of any integrity/ dignity. I myself have no intention whatsoever of supporting america in any way, from adding my money to their tourism income by visiting america, to spending any money on any american made/ designed/ whatever… product. The american dollar used to be worth much more than 1 Australian dollar. Now, it is almost neck and neck with the Australian dollar. It seems I am not the only one who refuses to support a corrupt government.
Amercica is dying, with the rot spreading from the inside. THis will only get worse, as food prices increase, and as petroleum becomes more scarce. I hope the next president can see this, and takes steps to restore americas’ credibility.
August 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
How can you freaking yahoo’s still think no planes hit the world trade centers when the fucking things where on video, live for all to see. Even by luck the first plane to go in was captured by accident by 2 French documentary film makers doing a story on rookie NY firefighters. By the time the second plane came in everyone and his brother had a camera pointed at the towers. Yet, you morons still think a missle or freakin UFO slammed into the towers.
The only fault that I can see from 9-11 is that W Bush was well informed this might happen and did nothing. Because he and Cheney needed a new Pearl Harbor, and all of the rest of the PNAC crowd.
August 15th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Joe from Joshua Tree said: “How can you freaking yahoo’s still think no planes hit the world trade centers when the fucking things where on video, live for all to see. Even by luck the first plane to go in was captured by accident by 2 French documentary film makers doing a story on rookie NY firefighters”
Its very simple Joe. September Clues: http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice/
demonstrates frame by frame exactly how the “live feed” was not even live but on a tape delay, and how it was doctored/faked.
And “Amateur pt2+3″ [cannot find pt1 right now for some reason] :
http://www.livevideo.com/video.....part2.aspx
shows us exactly how the Naudet movie was doctored.Or maybe its on pt1 which you can probably find on youtube
Watch these and other “thesocialservice ” 911 videos, or stay up your tree and ignore the evidence.[good luck with that] http:///onebornfree.blogspot.com
August 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I don’t think that, I saw saw the second plane go in. I felt that fucker go in to be honest. I was first year NYU student, walking around lower west side getting to know the place…… But the no planers will never believe that, and its frustrating. Most likely Disinfo agents and people who are so stoned they can’t do much for anyone anyway.
It’s a weird study in humanity. The no planers sometimes force me to re think what i believe about explosives inside the buildings. Only because I know for a fact jets slammed into the buildings, to see people doubt that fact, only because they saw some shitty web video casts a lot of doubt on the “evidence” of explosives.
Even without explosives inside. The evidence of *Let it Happen on Purpose* is to immense, and well documented from legitimate sources (like the governments own reports) to be ignored. To me there really is no moral difference between let it happen, and made it happen…….so I carry on in the infowar.
I’ve heard it said many times about the JFK assassination that for far to long people were preoccupied with trying to show “how they did it” instead of presenting the overwhelming evidence that they did do it. By the time people think they had every detail figured out, the public didn’t care.
We all know that we were lied to about 9-11, the scale is to be determined, but at this point it doesn’t matter. What matters is that they did it, and that we know it, even if we can’t describe how.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Joe from Joshua Tree said:
” I saw saw the second plane go in. I felt that fucker go in to be honest. ”
“To be honest” indeed. So which is it Joe, you “saw” it go in or you felt it- or both” – “to be honest”, as you say?
If you are saying that you saw, with your own eyes, a complete jetliner disappear inside the second tower,at the aerodynamically impossible speed of 550+ mph, without slowing down at impact, and with both wings still intact as it penetrated all the way past the tail section, you were either on a hallucinagenic drug, extremely drunk, or, to put it in the vernacular you appear so fond of using, you are simply “a lying sack of shit”.
“To be honest.”!! Yeah right.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:04 am
I find the documentary featuring the rookie fireman a bit suspicious. They were following this guy around, and happened to be on the spot during a routine inspection, when the first jet hit. Subsequently, all the firefighters from the station, except him, went to the towers. He was left manning the phones. Then a senior Fire Dept officer arrived and he went off with him. Later we see the rookie returning on foot, and his colleageus are back at the station, tired, dirty and shocked after what they had endured. Where did the rookie go? What did he do? Who were the film makers and who commissioned the documentary? Go on, get your thinking caps on!