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NASA Urged to Debunk the Current Hysteria Over Global Warming
Marc Morano
Right Side News
Monday, Aug 4, 2008
Award-winning Astronaut Slams Hansen – Urges NASA to ‘Debunk the current hysteria’ over Warming – By Physicist Walter Cunningham, NASA Apollo 7 Astronaut in July/August 2008 Issue of Launch Magazine. Key Quotes: “NASA should be at the forefront in the collection of scientific evidence and debunking the current hysteria over human-caused” warming.
“[James] Hansen is a political activist who spreads fear even when NASA’s own data contradict him.”
In Science, Ignorance is not Bliss
Written by Walter Cunningham
NASA has played a key role in one of the greatest periods of scientific progress in history. It is uniquely positioned to collect the most comprehensive data on our biosphere.
For example, recently generated NASA data enabled scientists to finally understand the Gulf Stream warming mechanism and its effect on European weather. Such data will allow us to improve our models, resulting in better seasonal forecasts.
NASA’s Aqua satellite is showing that water vapor, the dominant greenhouse gas, works to offset the effect of carbon dioxide (CO2). This information, contrary to the assumption used in all the warming models, is ignored by global warming alarmists.
Climate understanding and critical decision making require comprehensive data about our planet’s land, sea, and atmosphere. Without an adequate satellite system to provide such data, policy efforts and monitoring international environmental agreements are doomed to failure. Our satellite monitoring capability is being crippled by interagency wrangling and federal budget issues. As much as a third of our satellites need replacing in the next couple of years.
NASA should be at the forefront in the collection of scientific evidence and debunking the current hysteria over human-caused, or Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). Unfortunately, it is becoming just another agency caught up in the politics of global warming, or worse, politicized science. Advocacy is replacing objective evaluation of data, while scientific data is being ignored in favor of emotions and politics.
There are excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the Sun and the Earth’s temperature, while scientists cannot find a relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption, and global temperatures. But global warming is an issue no longer being decided in the scientific arena.
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Saying the Earth is warming is to state the obvious. Since the end of the ice age, the Earth’s temperature has increased approximately 16 degrees Fahrenheit and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet. That is certain and measurable evidence of warming, but it is not evidence of AGW—human-caused warming.
We can track the temperature of the Earth back for millennia. Knowing the temperature of the Earth, past or present, is a matter of collecting data, analyzing it, and coming up with the best answer to account for the data. Collecting such data on a global basis is a NASA forte.
I believe in global climate change, but there is no way that humans can influence the temperature of our planet to any measurable degree with the tools currently at their disposal. Any human contribution to global temperature change is lost in the noise of terrestrial and cosmic factors.
Our beautiful home planet has been warming and cooling for the last 4.8 billion years. Most recently, it has been warming—be it ever so slightly—but there is nothing unusual about it! The changes and rates of change in the Earth’s temperature, just since the Industrial Revolution, have occurred many times in our climatic history. While climate scientists generally agree that the Earth’s temperature is always changing, not many of them would say that humans are responsible for those changes.
None of this is to say there are not legitimate reasons to restrict emissions of any number of chemicals into the atmosphere. We should just not fool ourselves into thinking we will change the temperature of the Earth by doing so.
In a December 2007 Senate report, 400 prominent scientists signed a letter pointing out that climate change was a well-known natural phenomenon, and that adapting to it is far more sensible than attempting to prevent it. Their ranks included experts in climatology, geology, oceanography, biology, glaciology, biogeography, meteorology, economics, chemistry, mathematics, environmental sciences, engineering, physics, and paleo-climatology. Their message: When changes are gradual, man has an almost infinite ability to adapt and evolve.
The fearmongers of global warming base their case on the correlation between CO2 and global temperature, even though we cannot be sure which is cause and which is effect. Historically, temperature increases have preceded high CO2 levels, and there have been periods when atmospheric CO2 levels were as much as 16 times what they are now, periods characterized not by warming but by glaciation. You might have to go back half a million years to match our current level of atmospheric CO2, but you only have to go back to the Medieval Warming Period, from the 10th to the 14th Century, to find an intense global warming episode, followed immediately by the drastic cooling of the Little Ice Age. Neither of these events were caused by variations in CO2 levels.
Even though CO2 is a relatively minor constituent of “greenhouse gases,” alarmists have made it the whipping boy for global warming (probably because they know how fruitless it would be to propose controlling other principal constituents, H2O, CH4, and N2O). Since human activity does contribute a tiny portion of atmospheric CO2, they blame us for global warming.
Other inconvenient facts ignored by the activists: Carbon dioxide is a nonpolluting gas, essential for plant photosynthesis. Higher concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere produce bigger harvests.
In spite of warnings of severe consequences from rising seas, droughts, severe weather, species extinction, and other disasters, the U.S. has not been stampeded into going along with the recommendations of the UN Panel on Climate Change—so far. Even though evidence supports the American position, we have begun to show signs of caving in to the alarmists.
With scientific evidence going out of style, emotional arguments and anecdotal data are ruling the day. The media subjects us to one frightening image of environmental nightmare after another, linking each to global warming. Journalists and activist scientists use hurricanes, wildfires, and starving polar bears to appeal to our emotions, not to our reason. They are far more concerned with anecdotal observations, such as the frozen sea ice inside the Arctic Circle, than they are with understanding why it is happening and how frequently it has occurred in the past.
After warnings that 2007 would be the hottest year on record and a record year for hurricanes, what we experienced was the coolest year since 2001 and, by some measures, the most benign hurricane season in the Northern Hemisphere in three decades.
Even though recent changes in our atmosphere are all within the bounds of the Earth’s natural variability, a growing number of people are willing to throw away trillions of dollars on fruitless solutions. Why do we allow emotional appeals and anecdotal data to shape our conclusions and influence our expenditures with the science and technology we have available at our fingertips?
The situation is complex, but the sad state of scientific literacy in America today is partially to blame for belief in AGW. When a 2006 National Science Foundation survey found 25 percent of Americans not knowing the Earth revolves around the Sun, you know that science education is at a new low and society is vulnerable to the emotional appeal of AGW. And don’t underestimate the role of politics and political correctness.
The public debate should focus on the real cause of global temperature change and whether we can do anything about it. Is global warming a natural inevitability, or is it AGW—human caused?
The conflict over AGW has deteriorated into a religious war; a war between true believers in human-caused global warming and nonbelievers; between those who accept AGW on faith and those who consider themselves more sensible and better informed. “True believers” are beyond being interested in evidence; it is impossible to reason a person out of positions they have not been reasoned into.
It doesn’t help that NASA scientist James Hansen was one of the early alarmists claiming humans caused global warming. Hansen is a political activist who spreads fear even when NASA’s own data contradict him.
Warming in the upper atmosphere should occur before any surface warming effect, but NASA’s own data show that has not been happening. Global temperature readings—accurate to 0.1 degree Celsius—are gathered by orbiting satellites. Interestingly, in the 18 years those satellites have been recording global temperatures, they have actually shown a slight decrease in average temperatures.
Hansen is currently calling for a reduction of atmospheric CO2 by 10 percent and a moratorium on coal-fired power plants, while claiming the Bush administration is censoring him. Other so-called scientists are saying the world must bring carbon emissions to near zero to keep temperatures from rising.
In today’s politically correct environment, many are reluctant to dispute the popular wisdom; when they do, they are frequently ignored. When NASA Administrator Michael Griffin, Hansen’s boss and a distinguished scientist in his own right, attempted to draw a distinction between Hansen’s personal and political views and the science conducted by his agency, he was soon forced to back off.
It is the true believers who, when they have no facts on their side, try to silence their critics. When former NASA mathematician Ferenc Miskolczi pointed out that “greenhouse warming” may be mathematically impossible, NASA would not allow him to publish his work. Miskolczi dared to question the simplifying assumption in the warming model that the atmosphere is infinitely thick. He pointed out that when you use the correct thickness—about 65 miles—the greenhouse effect disappears! Ergo: no AGW. Miskolczi resigned in disgust and published his proof in the peerreviewed Hungarian journal Weather.
For nearly a decade now, there has been no global warming. Even though atmospheric CO2 has continued to accumulate—up about 4 percent in the last 10 years—the global mean temperature has remained flat. That should raise obvious questions about CO2 being the cause of climate change.
Instead, AGW enthusiasts are embracing more regulation, greater government spending, and higher taxes in a futile attempt to control what is beyond our control—the Earth’s temperature. One of their political objectives, unstated of course, is the transfer of wealth from rich nations to poor nations or, as the social engineers put it, from the North to the South, which may be their real agenda.
At the Bali Conference on Climate Change in December 2007, the poor nations insisted that the costs of technology to limit emissions and other impacts of climate change on their countries be paid by the rich nations. Most anticipated a windfall of money flowing into their countries to develop technology or purchase carbon credits. In this scenario, selling allotments for CO2 emissions would provide a temporary boost to their own cash flow, while severely limiting the economic development of those countries purchasing the carbon credits.
In the face of overwhelming evidence for natural temperature variation, proponents of AGW are resorting to a precautionary argument: “We must do something just in case we are responsible, because the consequences are too terrible if we are to blame and do nothing.” They hope to stampede government entities into committing huge amounts of money before their fraud is completely exposed—before science and truth save the day.
Politicians think they can reverse global warming by stabilizing CO2 emissions with a cockamamie scheme of “cap and trade.” A government entity would sell CO2 allocations to those industries producing it. The trillions of dollars in new taxes and devastation to the economy would be justified by claiming it will lower the temperature of the Earth. This rationalization is dependent on two assumptions: (1) that CO2 is responsible for the cause of changes in the Earth’s temperature, and (2) a warmer Earth would be bad for humanity.
The reality is that atmospheric CO2 has a minimal impact on greenhouse gases and world temperature. Water vapor is responsible for 95 percent of the greenhouse effect. CO2 contributes just 3.6 percent, with human activity responsible for only 3.2 percent of that. That is why some studies claim CO2 levels are largely irrelevant to global warming.
Without the greenhouse effect to keep our world warm, the planet would have an average temperature of minus 18 degrees Celsius. Because we do have it, the temperature is a comfortable plus 15 degrees Celsius. Based on the seasonal and geographic distribution of any projected warming, a good case can be made that a warmer average temperature would be even more beneficial for humans.
For a tiny fraction of the trillions of dollars a cap-and-trade system would eventually cost the United States, we could pay for development of clean coal, oil-shale recovery systems, and nuclear power, and have enough left over to pay for exploration of our solar system.
By law, NASA cannot involve itself in politics, but it can surely champion the role of science to inform politicians. With so many uninformed and misguided politicians ignoring the available science, NASA should fill the void. NASA is synonymous with science. Allowing our priorities to drift away from hard science is tantamount to embracing decadence. NASA will surely suffer; and politicizing science is killing it.
I do see hopeful signs that some true believers are beginning to harbor doubts about AGW. Let’s hope that NASA can focus the global warming discussion back on scientific evidence before we perpetrate an economic disaster on ourselves.
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August 4th, 2008 at 8:09 am
EVERYONE KNOWS THOSE EVIL S.U.V’S MUST BE RESPONSABLE FOR THE ENTIRE SOLAR SYSYEM HEATING UP.
JUST WHAT DO THOSE I.P.C.C DICKHEADS TAKE US FOR.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Very good article. That should be sent to everyone, everywhere.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Exceptional article. Basically all of the major reasons to be skeptical of man-made global warming, and in very clear, concise language. The world needs more writers like this one.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Excellent article and says exactly what the Majority of us think..that this whole GLOBAL WARMING HYSTERIA is a SCAM
The apocolyptic claims and the legislated mandates of the EnviroMENTALists have been the lies told to achieve the elements of their HIDDEN AGENDAS
High on their list is their contempt for the Human Race
Their SCAREMONGERING over GLOBAL WARMING is “science” based on flawed
computer models(put rubbish in you get rubbish out)
They icessantly protest about anything and everthing that will improve the welfare of the human race
Scaremongering as always been their
policy to influence public opinion..i.e in the 1970’s they warned of a coming ICEAGE and had an extensive campaign to scare people now its completly turned around to Global Warming
JUST LIKE ANOTHER FASCIST AND HEAD OF HITLERS PROPERGANDA MACHINE..JOSEPH GOEBELS ONCE SAID “WHEN ONE LIES ONE SHOULD LIE BIG AND STICK TO IT WITH REPETITION AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IN IT”
August 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
“Since human activity does contribute a tiny portion of atmospheric CO2, they blame us for global warming.”
End of argument. This guy is a lying bastard and HE KNOWS IT.
25% of all atmospheric CO2 was put there by US. Tiny portion my arse.
“He worked as a scientist for the RAND Corporation prior to joining NASA. While with RAND, he worked on classified defense studies and problems of the earth’s magnetosphere. ”
Oh, I see…
http://www.waltercunningham.co.....rofile.htm
“Professional Profile:
Walter Cunningham
…
Venture Capital, Real Estate, Offshore Pipeline and Consulting Engineering Industries: Chief Executive and Senior Operating Positions.”
Yep, to be expected…
“DIRECTORSHIPS
Texas Guaranty Bank
Ameriway Bank
Aware, Inc.”
“Aware is also a veteran of the biometrics industry, providing software that targets existing and emerging biometric market opportunities. We have had a strong position in fingerprint enrollment systems and recently added products for border control and secure credential applications.”
http://www.aware.com/company/index.htm
This guy gets around…
What is the one thing you DON’T see in his profile?
That’s right, ANY study or qualifications in climate science. The closest he has was studying the magnetosphere as part of his spy satellite work for RAND.
Yep this guy is as close to an Eilte insider as you can get, AND he misleads on the science. Big surprise.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Addendum
Did I mention he was one of the guys in charge of SkyLab? We all know how THAT worked out.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
YOU ARE BORING US KAMAKASE KEEP RANTING AND RAVING AND PERHAPS YOU’LL DIE OF A HEART ATTACK….PRATT
August 4th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
25% huh?? and where does that information come from karma. just curious.
August 4th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Karmakaze, this petition http://www.petitionproject.org/
has 9,000+ plus PhD’s.
Global warming is about LOWERING WORLD DEVELOPMENT, especially in third world countries.
If a growing population does not develop, the people starve.
That’s what Global Warming is about. THAT’S why it is supported by the elites, THAT’S why is has millions and millions of dollars in funds. Its a way to prevent China, India, all of Africa, and others from developing their economies and hence threatening the banking cartel. Those countries KNOW about economic hitmen and they KNOW about global warming and terrorism and all the unknown, unseen, unbelievable “threats” the world is facing.
They understand it, they’re mad as hell, and they aren’t going to take it anymore.
The banking elites are trying to hit them economically and politically. And they are REALLY turning up the dial right now.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
The figure I’ve heard is that humans produce 25% of 1% of all the carbon in the atmsophere. Unfortunately, simpletons like krazykarma can’t grasp this simple fact and try to distort it by saying humans emit 25% of ALL the carbon (sure sounds better when you’re trying to promote a “sky is falling” scenario like his buddy Al Gore who is also expert at distorting facts). There is no reputable data to support this idiots ridiculous claim.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
CO2 has a greater greenhouse potential, true but… so is methane and nitrous oxide… but water, because of its concentration in the atmosphere (in equilibrium with the oceans) has a greater effect that all of them put together. Get a science education before making stupid statements.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
@RayB
Are you talking to me, retard err I mean RayB? I will assume you are.
“but water, because of its concentration in the atmosphere (in equilibrium with the oceans) has a greater effect that all of them put together.”
Actually, you are both right and wrong. You are right that water vapour is the most abundant GHG, and even that it has the greatest over all effect, but as I have said before, it’s all about balance.
Water vapour in the atmosphere is not just increasing for no reason, something has to be causing it. What that something IS, is Global Warming! As the atmosphere heats up, it can hold more water vapour. So by adding CO2, we heat up the atmosphere, which can then hold more water vapour, which heats up the atmosphere MORE and so on. It’s called FEEDBACK.
Warming also increases the output of NATURAL CO2 sources such as from the ocean, not to mention other GHG’s like methane.
All of these systems were finely balanced resulting in fluctuations of less than 10ppm of CO2 over the last several thousand years, until we poured enough CO2 into the atmosphere over the last 200 to increase it by 25% or 100ppm. We have ALTERED the balance. It is NOT a difficult concept to grasp – at least it SHOULDN’T be.
You have played on a see-saw at some time in your life right? If you have, you should know that very small forces can change the balance. Put a 100kg person on each end, then hand ONE of them a 2kg weight. Do you think they will stay balanced? If you say YES, then you are a hopelessly retarded fool.
Now imagine if both of them were already holding a 2kg weight, and you GAVE one of them another, but TOOK the weight from the second, and gave THAT to the first as well. That is analogous to what is happening in the atmosphere. By making changes, we are upsetting the balance, which FORCES more changes and so on.
“Get a science education before making stupid statements.”
AHAHAHAHA Good try, retard.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Since 1850, it has been estimated, we have lofted about 100 billion tonnes of extra carbon into the air, a total that increases by about 7 billion tonnes each year. Nature – mostly through the belching of volcanoes and the decay of plants – sends about 200 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year, nearly thirty times as much as we do with our cars and factories anually and twice as much as the total we have emitted since 1850.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Hey Karmakaze, looks like you are a little paranoid!!! I was not aiming this at you but generally people lack knowledge in science.
It has been proven that there was not positive feedback between CO2 and water vapor in the atmosphere. Also, according to your model, the increase of atmospheric temperature should be seen or should have been seen… it was not. So your little model is nothing but crap.
August 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Visit this link for more on the Hoax of man made golbal warming
http://z4.invisionfree.com/Pop.....topic=2050
August 5th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Now that Astronauts Ed Mitchell and Gordon Cooper have confirmed that UFO’s are real, and also that the military has been covering it all up. Last week senior Nasa official, Clark McClelland, opened up a brand new can of beans!
McClelland revealed on his website that he saw an 8 to 9 ft tall alien on his monitor that was in the shuttle cargo bay communicating to two astronauts. McClelland also said a UFO was locked in orbit with the shuttle while this event was taking place.
This information confirms the astounding revelations of prophet Linda Newkirk regarding the extraordinary events of Revelation 12 that she has been going through, that are now about to come to a close.
You can find the links at;
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August 5th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Guy’s ….I started to post something but I was walking under this
tree and felt something hit me on the head . I have deduced that the
sky is falling .Let’s all run for it now .The sky is falling !!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
POST SCRIPT
And oh yeah ….be sure and pay your carbon tax on the way out the door .
And as for Sgt. Mark’s post below . You my friend are beginning to piss me off as you you attempt to discredit us all by spewing this crap all over this sites articles . And I am getting tired of trying to come up with clever responses to each identical post on every single article on the entire web site . So will try ignoring . But your shift is over for the day by now anyway .I know you gov toadies
don’t like to put in long hours .
August 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
@Leiff
“Since 1850, it has been estimated, we have lofted about 100 billion tonnes of extra carbon into the air, a total that increases by about 7 billion tonnes each year. Nature – mostly through the belching of volcanoes and the decay of plants – sends about 200 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year, nearly thirty times as much as we do with our cars and factories anually and twice as much as the total we have emitted since 1850.”
Awesome. You are halfway there. Now all you need to do is learn about sinks, feedback and forcing, and the definition of “balance”, and you will be there. Keep going!
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@RayB
“Hey Karmakaze, looks like you are a little paranoid!!!”
Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you.
“It has been proven that there was not positive feedback between CO2 and water vapor in the atmosphere.”
Is that right? Care to provide some evidence for that assertion?
This is what I find:
“The strong increase of longwave radiation is shown in the study to be due to increasing cloudiness, rising temperature, rising water vapor, and above all to long-lived manmade greenhouse gases. The scientists’ radiation measurements in the Alps show that the various inputs, or forcings, can be separated and that manmade greenhouse forcing is measurable at Earth’s surface. Above all, their measurements demonstrate strong water vapor
feedback that rapidly warms Central and Northeastern Europe, where sufficient water is available from plants and the surface, known as evapotranspiration.”
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0538.html
“They also show that, when sea surface temperature (SST) exceeds ~300 K, UT cloud ice associated with tropical deep convection increases sharply with increasing SST. The moistening of the upper troposphere by deep convection leads to an enhanced positive water vapor feedback, about 3 times that implied solely by thermodynamics.”
http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/ds.....ode=simple
That is just from a quick look through Google, but we are not totally sure of the long term effects because reliable data for water vapour in the atmosphere at different altitudes is only very recent, so long term trends are harder to identify and have greater margins of error.
The fact is the basic physics tells us that increased atmospheric temperature allows increased atmospheric water vapour, and what we are seeing is exactly that.
“Also, according to your model, the increase of atmospheric temperature should be seen or should have been seen… it was not.”
Actually, it HAS, but you have been listening to the unscientific liars and deniers, rather than the REAL scientists.
The liars and deniers fabricated a study saying that satellite data did not show warming. That made it all around the world in a nanosecond.
Then the REAL scientists showed that the study only got the result it did by cutting off the most recent decade of observations (out of a very short total time period of observations), which PROVED atmospheric warming. THAT is still slowly getting around, once again proving the old adage that a lie can get half way round the world while the truth is still putting it’s shoes on.
“So your little model is nothing but crap.”
Whatever you want to believe, idiot. Maybe if you are really good, the elites and their liars and deniers will give you a reach around while raping you.
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@Scarecrow
“Visit this link for more on the Hoax of man made golbal warming”
AHAHAHAHA you retard. If you believe THAT bullshit, you are in for an enormous surprise!
Try visiting the sites run by SCIENTISTS, rather than ridiculous message boards that post bullshit as if it was truth.
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@Mark
Linda Newkirk? You mean the crazy bitch that says god told her she has been pregnant for 17 months with Jesus 2.0? Prophet or Profit? You decide!
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@Rev. JimBo
“Guy’s ….I started to post something but I was walking under this
tree and felt something hit me on the head . I have deduced that the
sky is falling .Let’s all run for it now .The sky is falling !!!!”
Oh my god, you just discovered Gravity! Only a few hundred years too late, but at least you are getting there. I’m sure in a few thousand more, were you to live that long, you might begin to understand the science of AGW.
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@Rev. JimBo 2
“And oh yeah ….be sure and pay your carbon tax on the way out the door ”
What Carbon Tax, idiot? You mean the one the elites are trying to force on us so that WE pay for the mess THEY profited from?
“You my friend are beginning to piss me off as you you attempt to discredit us all by spewing this crap all over this sites articles .”
Oh boohoo JimBo, you retard. Cry me a river! If you don’t like the truth, you’re more than welcome to remain ignorant by not reading what I post.
“And I am getting tired of trying to come up with clever responses to each identical post on every single article on the entire web site”
You haven’t come up with one yet, idiot, so I’m not surprised you are getting tired – it’s obviously too much work to expect that sponge you call a brain to do.
“So will try ignoring . But your shift is over for the day by now anyway ”
You wish, you mental midget. I’m just getting started!
“I know you gov toadies
don’t like to put in long hours .”
That’s right, Bush hired me to prove everything he believes wrong so that he can, umm, well… I guess he really IS an idiot. Just like you.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
@Everyone.
Has anyone else noticed that every time I prove one of their “this proves AGW is a hoax” claims wrong, these people ignore that and move on to something else, which I then prove wrong and so on?
Why is it that one thing can be “proof” AGW is a hoax, but the FAILURE of that one thing to be true, isn’t proof that the “anti-AGW theory” is wrong?
It’s like what they say about defending against terrorism – the defenders have to be right every time, but the attackers only have to get it right once.
So they just change the claim and try again, over and over and over again. Maybe one day they WILL find something, but the trend is not looking good, especially as they are all a bunch of idiots who couldn’t find their arse with both hands and a map.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Karmakaze
I would like to note that karmakaze has reproduced my words and edited as if these were addressed to him .They were in fact addressed to “Mark” strictly by taking up space with what I consider loony non -related subjects .
This attempt at clever editing shows Karmakaze’s love for truth .
A little discrediting but things happen in the heat of debate .So I forgive .But his anger does seem similar to cases where people
have undergone deprogramming after cult brainwashing .There is always that lashing out and uncontrollable anger .But people have a right to be passionate about their religion so in Karmakaze’s case I will attempt to be understanding .Please see my prior
post for real context of following edited statements .My statements are in quotes followed by Karmakaze’s elevating inserted comments .
“You my friend are beginning to piss me off as you you attempt to discredit us all by spewing this crap all over this sites articles .”
Oh boohoo JimBo, you retard. Cry me a river! If you don’t like the truth, you’re more than welcome to remain ignorant by not reading what I post.
“And I am getting tired of trying to come up with clever responses to each identical post on every single article on the entire web site”
You haven’t come up with one yet, idiot, so I’m not surprised you are getting tired – it’s obviously too much work to expect that sponge you call a brain to do.
“So will try ignoring . But your shift is over for the day by now anyway ”
You wish, you mental midget. I’m just getting started!
“I know you gov toadies
don’t like to put in long hours .”
That’s right, Bush hired me to prove everything he believes wrong so that he can, umm, well… I guess he really IS an idiot. Just like you.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
@Rev. JimBo
“I would like to note that karmakaze has reproduced my words and edited as if these were addressed to him .They were in fact addressed to “Mark” strictly by taking up space with what I consider loony non -related subjects”
Well JimBo, I am utterly abashed and ashamed at jumping to such an erroneous conclusion. Re-reading your posts he proved my stupidity in this matter, and I am heartily sorry for any discomfort I may have caused you, especially as you were in fact mocking that retard Mark.
To summarise: my bad, I’m an idiot, sorry
“A little discrediting but things happen in the heat of debate .So I forgive .But his anger does seem similar to cases where people
have undergone deprogramming after cult brainwashing .There is always that lashing out and uncontrollable anger”
I take that back, you ARE a retard (I knew my retard sensors couldn’t be failing me).
“But people have a right to be passionate about their religion so in Karmakaze’s case I will attempt to be understanding”
Consider my previous post to you as nothing more than precognition of the retardedness to come. I’ve always been ahead of my time, and I’m constantly waiting for people to catch up.
The funny part is, you sounded JUST LIKE what you turned out to be – an idiot who believes the elites when they tell you that AGW is a hoax. Go figure.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Karmakaze
Love you Dude . Peace .
August 5th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
@Rev. JimBo
“Love you Dude . Peace”
Unfortunately JimBo, I am an avowed heterosexual. Should I ever reconsider my sexual orientation though, I will be sure to look you up.
To quote that great Eighties philosopher, Neil, “Vegetable Rights and Peace!”
August 6th, 2008 at 1:42 am
Karmakaze, Ah yes! Neil. The world has lost so much of its equilibribrium since that noble, self-sacrificing soul met his untimely demise in the busas it hurtled over the cliff. Do you suppose that this was a subtle way to confirm, for those sufficiently astute to comprehend, that the earth is indeed FLAT?
August 6th, 2008 at 2:36 am
@Stewart
“The world has lost so much of its equilibribrium since that noble, self-sacrificing soul met his untimely demise in the busas it hurtled over the cliff.”
Neil taught us that we shouldn’t be afraid to live, and to love while the flame is strong… Yes, it was a great loss, but as that other great Eighties philosopher, Vivian, told us “It was bound to happen, sooner or later.”
“Do you suppose that this was a subtle way to confirm, for those sufficiently astute to comprehend, that the earth is indeed FLAT?”
Well, I don’t know about that, but I know what Neil would have said… “Heavy!”
August 6th, 2008 at 6:15 am
I see, man emits 100 billion tonnes and nature emits 11600 billion tonnes in the same time period but man is to blame for global warming? If man hadn’t emitted any carbon dioxide at all since 1850, we would be at today’s levels in 6 months time anyway due to nature’s emissions. Your’re certainly ahead of your time Karmakaze – a NWO mind contol victim…
August 6th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Wow this “Karmakaze” guy is a REAL Fucking ASSHOLE!!
he wrote:
“AHAHAHAHA you retard. If you believe THAT bullshit, you are in for an enormous surprise!
Try visiting the sites run by SCIENTISTS, rather than ridiculous message boards that post bullshit as if it was truth”
Making a personal atttack on me for NO REASON !! its also apparant he didnt actually spend any time looking at the linked site because its a collection of links to other info not a site run by a scientist ( I never claimed it was )
So by making al the personal attacks you have told the world.. “Hi I am a schill for “Al Bore” and when I cant get you to beleive my “Gospel” i’ll just call you names…”
way to go FUCKBURGER, with guys like you on his side “St.Gore” wont need any debunking…
/rant off
August 6th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Senior Nasa Official Clark McClelland who last week backed up the statements of astronaut Ed Mitchell regarding an military/alien alliance, has now updated his site this week with an artists rendering of what he saw during a classified shuttle mission. This is an explosive leak of classified information, and Clark definitely has the credentials to back his statements up!
Be sure to check out the “incidents” link, as Clark has a lot of juicy revelations regarding many space missions!
The link is here;
http://www.hismailroom.com
August 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Karmakaze, one last pertinent offering from that august institution academy of philosophical discourse; Scumbag College:
Pollution; sometimes up, sometimes down, but always awround.
Are you coming to my town, polution, or am I coming to yours?
We wride on differwrent buses, Pollution;
But we both use – PETWROL!
The Peoples’ Poet.
Please excuse any inaccuracies, but the memory fades due to advancing Wernicke’s Encephalopathy.
August 6th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
@Leiff
“I see, man emits 100 billion tonnes and nature emits 11600 billion tonnes in the same time period but man is to blame for global warming?”
Yes Leiff, you’ve got it! Well done!
The natural system was finely balanced so that 11600 billion tonnes was emitted and 11600 billion tonnes was absorbed (give or take a few hundred) Then we put ANOTHER 100 billion in and the sinks just couldn’t keep up, meaning just about half of it stayed in the atmosphere, and is causing global warming.
Well done for finally understanding what the hell you are talking about!
“If man hadn’t emitted any carbon dioxide at all since 1850, we would be at today’s levels in 6 months time anyway due to nature’s emissions.”
Oh damn, I spoke too soon.
No Leiff, all that natural CO2 would have been absorbed, just like it was for thousands and thousands of years. Atmospheric CO2 did not deviate from 280ppm by more than 10ppm for several thousand years. We have managed to increase it by over 100ppm, resulting in 25% of ALL CO2 in the atmosphere right now having been put there by us in the last 200 years. Getting it yet?
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@Scarecrow
“Wow this “Karmakaze” guy is a REAL Fucking ASSHOLE!!”
Maybe so, but at least I am not an ignorant retard.
“Making a personal atttack on me for NO REASON !!”
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call it a duck. Same thing for retards.
“its also apparant he didnt actually spend any time looking at the linked site because its a collection of links to other info not a site run by a scientist ( I never claimed it was )”
See THAT’S why you are a retard. You can’t even read. Thanks for proving my point, retard.
You even QUOTED WHAT I SAID which was:
“Try visiting the sites run by SCIENTISTS, rather than ridiculous message boards that post bullshit as if it was truth”
See that? I said DON’T go to bullshit sites, got to sites run by scientists, and you get bent out of shape because you think I said you had been going to sites run by scientists? Retard.
“So by making al the personal attacks you have told the world.. “Hi I am a schill for “Al Bore” and when I cant get you to beleive my “Gospel” i’ll just call you names…””
Actually no, I am saying SCARECROW IS A FUCKING RETARD, so don’t bother even looking at the bullshit he posted. I did and regret it still for the utter waste of my time that it was. Rehashed bullshit that has been proven to be wrong OVER AND OVER AND OVER… then I suggested a FAR BETTER use of your time, such as visiting sites run by actual scientists.
Here is one if you are too lazy to find them yourself:
http://www.realclimate.org/
“way to go FUCKBURGER, with guys like you on his side “St.Gore” wont need any debunking…”
You couldn’t debunk a nursery rhyme pal, so I am not worried either way. By the way, I think Gore is an NWO mole planted to make idiots like you focus on “Carbon Tax” rather than the science. So you making fun of him doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
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@Stewart
“Please excuse any inaccuracies, but the memory fades due to advancing Wernicke’s Encephalopathy.”
Thanks for reminding me anyway… I’m going to have to dig out the old VHS tapes, it’s been far too long since they were enjoyed properly
August 7th, 2008 at 10:10 am
So I’m expected to believe that the tiny fraction of carbon dioxide emitted by humans is responsible for global warming as an act of faith, despite nature emitting 316 times as much carbon since 1850?
You will have to forgive my cynicism but I smell a psyop.
The Common Enemy of Humanity Is Man
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we suggested that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
The First Global Revolution
A Report by The Council of The Club of Rome
ISBN 0-671-71094-X
Are you a humanity hater Karmakaze?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
@Leiff
“So I’m expected to believe that the tiny fraction of carbon dioxide emitted by humans is responsible for global warming as an act of faith, despite nature emitting 316 times as much carbon since 1850?”
Actually, I don’t expect retards to believe anything… that’s why they are retards.
As for “tiny fraction”, let me once again point out that 25% of all the CO2 in the atmosphere right now was put there BY US in the last 200 years.
Natural emissions are balanced by natural sinks. We have modified that process so much that only HALF of what WE emit is absorbed by the environment, resulting in an approximately 1.5ppm increase in atmospheric CO2 every year.
You don’t have to believe it, but it is true, regardless of what retards believe.
“You will have to forgive my cynicism but I smell a psyop.”
Too bad you are falling for it.
“The Common Enemy of Humanity Is Man
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we suggested that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
The First Global Revolution
A Report by The Council of The Club of Rome
ISBN 0-671-71094-X”
See? Unless you think that reverse psychology isn’t real either.
“Are you a humanity hater Karmakaze?”
No, I am a retard hater, and you fit the bill nicely.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Why stick around here conversing with retards Karmakaze?
I would have thought that someone so far ahead of their time would have more important things to do.
Bye Bye hater – its been fun…
August 7th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
@Leiff
“Why stick around here conversing with retards Karmakaze?”
Conversing, no. Making fun of, yes.
I am also here to inform those who want to and CAN be informed. I just know when someone isn’t worth any more than mockery. If you want to prove you AREN’T one of them, go get some supporting evidence and make a reasonable argument.
Obviously wrong and easily disproved assertions are the realm of retards.
“I would have thought that someone so far ahead of their time would have more important things to do.”
Actually, no, because of that, I have plenty of spare time while I’m waiting for people like you to catch up. I use it to mock them. It’s a vice, but I enjoy it.
“Bye Bye hater – its been fun…”
Oh, I know it has… for me. You on the other hand, well I guess some people like being soundly whipped. They call it masochism. Each to his own.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Karmakaze said…I am also here to inform those who want to and CAN be informed. I just know when someone isn’t worth any more than mockery. If you want to prove you AREN’T one of them, go get some supporting evidence and make a reasonable argument.
Obviously wrong and easily disproved assertions are the realm of retards.
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THE GOSPAL ACCORDING TO GLOBAL WARMING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN AND CON ARTISTS…
“WE ALL GOING TO FRY..SAY I BELIEVE HALEHULA!!”
“WE ALL GOING TO FREEZE..SAY I BELIEVE HALEHULA!!”
“WE ALL GOING TO FRY AND FREEZE..SAY I BELIEVE HALEHULA!!”
Your so full of your own obnoxious arrogant self importance that you are making yourself a LAUGHING STOCK..EVANGELIST KAMAKAZE…
CAREFULL THAT CHOIRBOY WILL KISS AND TELL..
For F**KS SAKE GET OUT AND GET A LIFE ALL THIS BILE IS NO FOR YOUR
HEART CONDITION OLD MAN
August 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
@The Truth Is Out There
“Your so full of your own obnoxious arrogant self importance that you are making yourself a LAUGHING STOCK..EVANGELIST KAMAKAZE…
CAREFULL THAT CHOIRBOY WILL KISS AND TELL..”
Still can’t prove a word you say retard? Why am I not surprised? Oh that’s right, it’s because you are a retard!
You are a pathetic little child waiting for the liars and deniers to tell you what to think. Now that they have been exposed, you are out there all by yourself with no mental faculties available to defend your stance. All you have left is silly little tantrums.
Put up or shut up, retard! I’m still waiting for you to present any kind of argument other than whiny little tantrums.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Kamakaze wrote..Put up or shut up, retard! I’m still waiting for you to present any kind of argument other than whiny little tantrums.
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The only one throwing Tantrums on this Site is YOU and the more and more you “TRY” to ridicule and name call any one who happens to disagree with the over exageration and falsehoods of your PSUEDO RELIGIOUS SCIENCE says to me you and the rest of your “BEDWETTERS”
have Hidden Agendas….I SMELL A RAT!!!!
August 11th, 2008 at 3:19 am
@The Truth Is Out There
“The only one throwing Tantrums on this Site is YOU”
AHAHAHA get real retard! You couldn’t make me angry if you tried really fucking hard. You are just too damn funny!
“more and more you “TRY” to ridicule and name call any one who happens to disagree with the over exageration and falsehoods of your PSUEDO RELIGIOUS SCIENCE says to me you and the rest of your “BEDWETTERS”
have Hidden Agendas…”
I have no problem with people who disagree. Not at all. I have a problem with retards who make stupid assertions that are easily disproved and then act like THEY have all the evidence, but never present a single shred of it. Those people are not worthy of anything but mockery.
I have said many times now, if you want a debate, MAKE AN ARGUMENT AND PRESENT EVIDENCE. If you just make retarded statements, then I will just call you a retard… retard!
“I SMELL A RAT!!!!”
Well, maybe if you took a shower once in awhile…
I’m just glad they haven’t figured out how to transmit smell via the Internet yet. I’m sure I would be choking on your funk right now if they had.
February 12th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Retards!!! You’re all RETARDED RETARDS!!!!
There, I’m a master debater.