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New 7/7 Bombing Photo Contradicts Official Story
Image appears to duplicate witness statement that bomb was planted under train
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, July 8, 2009
A new photo released on the fourth anniversary of the 7/7 attacks in London appears to contradict the government’s official story that Muslims with backpack bombs were responsible for the Tube and bus bombings which killed 52 people.
The image seemingly dovetails with a survivor’s eyewitness statement that the bombs on the Tube trains were placed underneath the carriage and that suicide bombers were nowhere to be seen.
Debunkers have attempted to dismiss this vital hole in the official story by claiming that questions about eyewitnesses stating bombs were placed under the train have been explained. London Guardian journalist Mark Honigsbaum interviewed witnesses who stated that “tiles, the covers on the floor of the train, suddenly flew up, raised up,” when the bombs were detonated. Honigsbaum later said that the quotes were taken out of context when they were cited as evidence that the bombs were planted under the trains – and debunkers duly seized on this in an attempt to dismiss the entire issue.
However, one very reliable eyewitness statement is very clear in making it plain that no suicide bombers were involved, and the bomb could only have been planted underneath the train, contradicting the official story completely.
The words of 7/7 survivor Bruce Lait, who was just yards from the explosion when it happened, cannot be taken out of context.
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Lait, a victim of the Aldgate Station bombing, described to the Cambridge Evening News how he and his partner were sitting nearest to the bomb when it detonated.
“We’d been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now,” he said.
He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been.
“The policeman said ‘mind that hole, that’s where the bomb was’. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don’t remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag,” he said.
In his statement, Lait makes clear four things – according to what he witnessed, there was no suicide bomber, there was no rucksack or backpack that could have contained a bomb, there was nobody around the location where the bomb exploded, and the bomb appeared to have been placed underneath the train.
The fact that the policeman had to warn them of a “hole” as they were being led out to safety obviously suggests that the hole was in the floor and therefore a potential hazard to them exiting the train.
The photo displayed below is currently being carried on the Daily Mail website with the caption; “Warped and blackened by the blast, this is the Piccadilly Line carriage where Jermaine Lindsay’s bomb detonated at Russell Square station. A forensics officer in white rubber gloves inches his way along the floor – itself sheared away in the blast, exposing metal beams – searching for the smallest of clues.” Note that Bruce Lait’s comments refer to the Aldgate tube bombing. This photo is from the Russell Square bombing, but it appears to dovetail his testimony that the bombs were planted under the train.
Despite the fact that the image is cut off at the point where the hole begins, one can clearly see it at the very bottom of the picture. The cabling underneath the floor cover is exposed and the area to the right of the hole is raised up, as if pressure has been exerted from underneath.
The contention that there were no suicide bombers actually on the train at all, as Bruce Lait contends, is consistent with other evidence surrounding the attacks.
The fact that the ID’s of all the so-called suicide bombers were found in pristine condition right next to where the bombs went off strongly suggests the planting of evidence to frame patsies. The ID’s would have had a reasonable chance of surviving relatively unscathed if the bomb was not in the backpack with them, but underneath the train.
On the other hand the backpack bombs could have just been the diversionary blasts to enable patsies to be framed, just like the planes flying into the towers acted as the diversionary cover for the explosives planted inside the World Trade Center.
Remember that the London Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch themselves reported that from studying the behavior of the alleged suicide bombers before the attacks via CCTV footage, the bombers “did not fit the preconceived terrorist profile.”
The suspects were seen to be arguing with cashiers, walking in and out of shops, including McDonalds, and “bumping into people” in the minutes before the blasts – hardly the behavior of people who are in the final crucial moments of planning a terror attack in which they will be killed, and who wish to go unnoticed.
“I’ve seen the CCTV footage of these people. They do not appear to be on their way to commit any crime at all,” a London Metropolitan Police representative said.
“The roundtrip tickets, the fact that one of them spent a lot recently repairing his car and one of them had a family and was the teacher of the disabled and underprivileged children, it doesn’t ring right,” said Paul Beaver, a security and defense expert in London with close police contacts. “If you had that much commitment, how are you going to take your life? It’s happened in Palestine, but these people were brought up in the UK.”
Turning back to the question of devices planted under the train, the get out clause of the “exercise” or “drill” scenario would have also provided culpability cover if investigators started asking questions about objects underneath the carriage.
As we have exhaustively documented, such a drill did take place on the morning of 7/7.
A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for a company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
For individuals to plant bombs underneath trains and secure them in place without being caught, they would need to secure access to the trains. In this scenario, London Underground could have been told that a dummy device was to be placed underneath the train as part of an exercise to test security and alertness. When the real attacks happened some LU officials would have been alarmed but their suspicions would have dampened when it was revealed that the bombs were carried in backpacks, meaning that the drill was just a strange ‘coincidence’.
It is important to stress that this is just one piece of evidence amidst a myriad of smoking guns that all directly contradict the government’s official story. A summary of that evidence can be found here. An archive containing further stories can be found here.
Questions surrounding the 7/7 bombings have been met with a stonewall response from the British government, leading victims’ relatives to call for an independent inquiry.
Scotland Yard’s former head of counter-terrorism Andy Hayman, who was Assistant Commissioner for Special Operations at the time of the bombings in 2005, has also publicly called for an independent investigation into the bombings.
“Incidents of less gravity have attracted the status of a public inquiry — train crashes, a death in custody, and even other terrorist attacks. How can there not be a full, independent public inquiry into the deaths of 52 commuters on London’s transport system?,” said Hayman.
However, individuals who produced Internet documentaries about these questions, such as the author of 7/7: Ripple Effect, 60-year-old Anthony John Hill, have been targeted for character assassination by the media, and in particular the BBC. Hill was arrested merely for sending a copy of his DVD to a jury member after authorities accused him of perverting the course of justice.
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July 8th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I really hate to be “that guy” and all, but, well, first the photo does appear to be cropped, as the working in the center would probably be the center of focus, leaving a piece trimmed from the bottom, showing the hole.
But…
look closely at what you can see. The metal is curved DOWN, the entire panel of flooring before the cropped part it buckled down, the metal around the piece of the hole that is visible is bent down.
But… if you look even closer the rail (for lack of a better term) that the panels fit into appear to be bent up and inwards.
Sorry, this cropped photo proves nothing, maybe that’s why it’s cropped as it is? I mean, if they give us a few inches more at the bottom we’d see the hole clearly and be able to make a decision. Very suspicious that they would have cropped the image as they did “by chance”.
BUT, if they cropped it purposely that way it makes sense.
I dunno, I’m getting the same type of feeling I get when i hear the no plane at the pentagon theory, seems like a honey trap.
To me, this picture shows enough to allow both sides to call it prove, it appears to show upward damage hinting at a bomb underneath, but it also appears to show metal around the hole bent downwards.
Do we have any idea WHEN this photo was taken? Who took it? What camera (from there we can prove or disprove it’s been cropped)
I’d be careful calling this the smoking gun.
The truth will set us free
Falconwolf Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I see no reason why the hole itself must be the centre of the picture. Seems to me what was intended to be front and centre in the picture is the 3 forensics officers inspecting the damage.
Or maybe the picture was cropped to hide the even more obvious steel blown upwards.
I do agree this is not a smoking gun, but it adds a lot to all the other information out there
glasgow.truth.4.7.7 Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
m8 i agree wit wat u say about this pic fuelling both sides of the argument, but i found another pic that clearly showz the bombs went off inside and the floor blasted down the way in at least 1 of the bombings…
i am gonna give u a link… it clearly shows metal twisted and bent down the way.. if u click the link, just scroll down, its the 3rd picture u come to wen u scroll down…
at this point i have to tell u all that wen it comes to false flags and government involvement , im usually at the head of the queue to accuse them of a conspiracy…. but i also have to be honest and admit what my eyes are telling me on this 1 – and that is that the bomb looks like it went off in the carriage….
even with the bomb goig off in the carriage, i still think the 4 muslim “actors” were patsies…. im ex army and any “training drills” we practised always include real people playing the part of the “bad guys”. So i would like to hear wat Peter Power would have to say if asked about that part of the drill – just who did u employ/hire to play the suspected suicide bombers..?? because lets be honest , u would need some1 to play the part of the bombers or it would be a useless exercise – surely a real exercise would examine the cctv footage after the “drill”, not only as a trainin tool for the emergency services, but to actually see if the cctv in the underground would be of use in an actual event…
ps…. and they defo killed dr david kelly – a true truther
glasgow.truth.4.7.7 Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
http://images.google.co.uk/img.....G%26um%3D1
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
glasgow.truth.4.7.7
I don’t think that photo proves it was in the carriage.
It looks like it could have been on the side of the rail/beam closest to camera there is also a piece of metal on the left hand side of the pic twisted and buckled upwards
Also if you look at the beam closest to the camera on the right hand side the floor is also bent upwards?
Should there be anything sticking up at all?
In fact the only thing i can see bending down/or seeming to bend down is in the centre right.
I`am not no explosive expert but shouldn’t everything be moving away from the blast ?
In my opinion it looks like the blast came from the side of the beam closest to the camera on the side facing the doors,and the floor on the left is getting pushed and puckered left.
this pic is better than the main article I think that could be either way,but as somebody else said it could be cropped.
why cut out the main damage in the pic?
WeAreAllShoes Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I have had this photo for a while, an interesting thing about it is that it was released in the US and not republished in the UK until relatively recently. I always interpreted it as evidence for bombs under the carriages as I find the downward curvature suspiciously similar to the effect one would cause by ‘beasting’ (sledge-hammmering) protrusions downward, rather than the application of explosive force, which I would have expected to cause more dramatic effects akin to the spiral ribbonning on the the part sticking upward that has clearly undergone intense heat.
People also keep forgetting that these supposed backpack bombs would not be mounted, ie. fixed down, but free standing, which would suggest that the explosion should have been more evenly distributed throughout the carriage and not focused. That said I’m no expert, and am always a bit worried about researching explosives since that in itself is a crime under the 2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act, however there are major questions about the nature of these explosives, and inconsistencies with their effects and being home-made.
andy Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I found your picture very interesting. What puzzled me about it was the fact that there were no seats visible and that the floor level was almost at window level? It seems as though the whole floor has been raised? Its hard to tell, but I do nto think that it supports an explosion inside the carrige.
andy Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
..sorry, meant for you found your picture very interesting. What puzzled me about it was the fact that there were no seats visible and that the floor level was almost at window level? It seems as though the whole floor has been raised? Its hard to tell, but I do nto think that it supports an explosion inside the carrige.
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:06 am
I DON`T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE LAYOUT OF A TUBE TRAIN
BUT THAT PIC IS ACTUALLY WHERE YOU GET ON
SEATS WOULD BE TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE PIC
ALSO THE FLOOR ISNT AT WINDOW LEVEL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WERE THE DOORS WOULD HAVE BEEN BLOWN OUT
IF YOU LOOK FOR A PIC OF A TUBE TRAIN IT MIGHT HELP YOU TO VISUALIZE THE LAYOUT
frustrated phil Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
The parallel rails are clearly bent upwards from about a couple of feet (and onwards) in front of the guy on his knees and the weaker panelling on the floors in front of the exit doors is higher still, suggesting an underfloor blast. I think this photo speaks volumes.
Tabby Poo Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
I saw the internal photo of the railcar a few days ago at a different angle and it really is all bent inward.Maybe someone bent them in or it’s just not true…or maybe it just doesn’t matter……they were training that day and the real thing went down….just like in 9/11……..coincidence upon coincidence. Whatchu gonna do when they come for youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu….
Wez the Aussie Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:49 am
You make some interesting points.
Loveit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Important link about the woman sueing the UN
http://www.cleanairandwater.ne.....ument.html
I recieved it an email in OZ
stevo Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
We can go a long way to finding out the truth about the 7/7 bombings, through what we have been told and through what we know. We have been told, that the 7/7 bombs were concealed in backpacks and placed inside the carriges on the tube trains on the London Underground. What we know, is that bombs were concealed in backpacks and placed in carriges in Madrid that is commonly known as the Madrid bombings. We should assume with confidence that we would expect to a see very similar bomb damage pattern on the underground carriges as the bomb damage caused to the Madrid carriges. The Madrid carriges are freely and easy accessible to view, so BOYS IN BLUE, show us some photographs, if you dare.!!!
nic meredith Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Bootom left the floor is lifted and buckled up. There has to be a force from under the floor.
Blagnarok Reply:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I agree this photo is misleading. You can come to any conclusion you want about this. I mean what exactly are we looking at. There is a white and black area under the worker that is shaped like a clothing iron. If that’s supposed to be the hole from the blast it actually looks like it came from something sitting on the floor. Look how the damage to the seats appears to be much more violent than the damage to the floor. In order to damage the seats that much, I would say the hole in the floor would have to be larger in order for the bomb to have been under the floor. Such sever lateral damage could not come from such a small hole…
But then, is that iron shaped white and black part really the hole from the blast, or was it from some fire or melting debris caused by the blast? Is the real hole larger and just cropped off from the image at the bottom. Do we see just the edge of the metal sticking up where that little red wire is?
Also, how thick is the paneling on the floor. Were the bombs under the vehicle itself or within the vehicle under a floor panel?
This photo raises more questions than it answers, and really isn’t worth this much attention in my opinion. Just the fact that they were running drills about the buses exploding at the same exact time it happened should be enough to indicate something fishy is going on.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:22 am
The Illuminati, High level masons etc have been telling you all blatantly what is going on, you are all just not listening.
Here is an example of their message which is pretty damn blatant! Hidden in the bible well scattered though it, is the truth but to the average lay person it means nothing, that is until you understand what some of these terms mean. I will list some of the verses and then explain them to you…..
Deuteronomy 33:19 They shall call the people unto the mountain; there they shall offer sacrifices of righteousness: for they shall suck of the abundance of the seas, and of treasures hid in the sand.
Ezekiel 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Ezekiel 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Ezekiel 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
The bible is code and if you don’t know this, then you don’t understand it…..
OK the Sacred Mountain is Gods Phallus, this is what all the obelisks are about they are really worship of Gods big ….When they offer the sacrifices of righteousness, they are talking about the firstfruits. The first fruits are people, woman of a certain blood type or colour? Who are the treasures hid in the sand. These are ” The firstfruits of your oblations” what this is talking about is the Illuminati or top level Templar’s and Masons treasure which is a breeding programme. That is what this whole world is about, certain types are wanted and they have been carefully breed….. you can tell who isn’t wanted by the fact these countries don’t have welfare and if anything they are trying to kill them off. Unfortunately to many people God does not exist and the people who do believe believe something that is not true. They believe in one God and this God is the creator of everything. This maybe true that there is a supreme Divine I created all but that is not who the bible is talking about, the bible is talking about a race of beings. Who have breed with us and changed us…
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Now here is the short and the long of it. This is one long breeding programme and the breeding programme is about to finish and then the harvest will be on…
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Revelation 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and BLOOD came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
How this works is this the Gods by milking women and exchanging food with them manage to break the laws of nature and stop the aging process and this is called “rule the nations with a rod of iron” That is what that phase means. Now the Illuminati don’t get sacrificed, no they give the first fruits and get to “suck of the abundance of the seas, and of treasures hid in the sand. ” eg the combined bounty of product made by the Gods and the woman is given to them as a big gift or reward for thousands of years of watching the breeding programme and aiding it and for finally handing over the firsitfruits to the Gods. “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you” This is what this means, unless you get this food you will quickly die like all the rest of us are doing and have done for thousands of years.
Revelation 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
That is what the above verse means. This message is in films, here is a short clip showing you this message….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xqR88aoJ28
Falconwolf Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Anyone else read this one and suspect it is a paid shill, a disinfo expert trying to make truthers look like loons?
Jess Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Classic, you bend over backwards to try and show people the truth and get accused of being a disinfo shill.
Sparky Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
You did nothing to “show people the truth”.
You just mindlessly spewed quotes from an irrelevant old storybook.
Jess Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Yeah right and the secret societies have passed on information to each other for thousands of years…. they keep these secrets in plain sight which means they hide them out in the open, no book is more open and more published then the Bible. If you wish to believe nothing is being hidden from you and the Bible is just bunch of old stories, well no one can stop you but I bet you haven’t ever read it?
crazations Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Hi Jess,
You really need to get out more – and try to read something that’s based on some facts – your god ain’t gonna save you – just look what happened on 9.11 – apparently, he takes Tuesdays off.
mossy Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
im with jess on this one
the bible isnt some old storybook either
theres a lot in it
if you had a read of it you would know that
but you havent have you?
not that i care about it either
but jess isnt a shill
regarding getting out more
thats a common accusation of the uneducated to the educated
i think id rather share a beer with educated jess
than judgemental you
kebcreation Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
The Bible is fine to quote but when it is overused in such a large post mixed with many opinionated words the meaning gets lost. Personally I scroll through those large Bible quoted ones and chalk it up to wasted space. I have read the entire Bible some parts many times but I would not force a chapter on everyone here. It is a book on how to live that is a personal journey not opinions forced upon people. It is about right and wrong and basically how our law came to be. And how it does not belong to men even to direct his own step. God outlined the laws of humanity and warned humans could not rule fairly without Him. You cannot rely on human nature to decide because all fall short. If our leaders would only read and apply biblical principles we would be fine. So send them all the Quotes you want to for that is where it is needed most right now.
bloggulator Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Jess….quoting Biblical material from 2000+ years ago (which could be questionable in its historical authenticity anyway) is inappropriate in the context of a scientifically based explanation for a recent act of violence. It doesn’t cut it for me, or the huge majority of the population, and only serves to discredit our cause.
DeProgrammer Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Hey Jess can i have some of what you’re taking please? Share that shit bitch!
Blagnarok Reply:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Jess, actually you are way off. The sacred mountain actually is a volcano. God’s outstretched arms and fury that pours from above are the pillar of smoke flame and ash that rise for miles from a volcano and rain fury on the population. The fact is the early zeolites worshiped the volcano god over all other gods. They called the force behind the volcanoes “Yahweh,” and they followed his pillars of smoke and fire throughout the land conquering whatever lands surrounding the volcanoes had not been completely decimated by their lord’s wrath. Then they would settle on what’s left of the land, watch the burnt land regenerate in a year or two and say how their god is the god who brings life from death. Whoa to those who call upon themselves the fiery fury of the lord through sin.
And who call upon the fiery fury through sin, those who build the altars and groves upon the mountains. Those who worship at the asherim, the high places on the mountainside. They would plant and tend to the holy groves of their most sacred crop, because their holy plants would grow better on a hillside facing the sun. Why was their crop most sacred? Because among it’s many uses it was made into sails which opened the way for humanity to conquer the seas.
Deuteronomy 33:19 They shall call the people unto the mountain; there they shall offer sacrifices of righteousness: for they shall suck of the abundance of the seas, and of treasures hid in the sand.
The holy plants that were grown by the enemies of the nomadic Isrealite tribes were groves of cannabis hemp trees with an abundance of fruit. Which they would “sacrifice,” or smoke at the religious altars and temples in order to become closer to the gods. (Keep in mind those who attended the asherim were not monotheists like the Jews, but Pantheists. The Jewish god was just one of many in ancient Isreal before the domination of the violent zealots, forever carrying with them the fury of their volcano lord, Yahweh.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Here we go again. The demotion experts of prison planet are telling us all about the forensic signatures of crude explosives, over pressure, air concussions, etc…
Back to reality. This picture shows you JACK SHIT to prove your LIES.
Even if it was a set up/inside job or whatever the fuck your calling it today, why the fuck would they blow the train from underneath? Are all the forensic experts in on it to? The international investigators? Anyone who might have caught a video of it or a picture?
Just like the missile at the Pentagon theory, it makes ZERO sense, even if it was an inside job and especially if it was an inside job?
James Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am
You don’t need to be a “demotion” expert as you call it (I’m presuming you mean “demolition”?) to understand how the Bruce Lait testimony clearly contradicts the official story. How do you explain that? He didn’t see any Muslim suicide bombers and he was right next to where the bomb went off.
You then resort to swearing and tantrums, typical troll behavior.
danny2 Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:10 am
It is true however that you cannot discern shit from these photos.. The end is near, just worry about your family and friends, keep safe.
frustrated phil Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:23 am
keep drinking the fluoride danny
Warior. Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
James: Probably a Freudian Slip on Re Con Marine’s part because he must certainly have been demoted by now for his piss poor job at debunking the facts. If he keeps this up he will be the “demotion” expert & he will be replaced with a more credible agent.
reconmarine Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
James & Warrior,
Since I’m so dumb and you are both so smart, why don’t you email me at brownjj0@hotmail.com and we can set up a debate on the subject of 9/11 and false flag terrorism. We can then put links of our debate here on Prison Planet. How about that?
Warior- You can rag on my spelling all you want, but remember warior has 2 R’s
warrior, not warior.
But in your video game land you can spell it however you want.
Notfooled. Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
That’s hilarious coming from a spook like Reconmarine. No one in their right mind is going to e-mail you so you can sic intelligence agents on those who respond & HARASS them turning their lives into HELL for the crime of reporting the truth about you control freak monsters. Let’s debate out in the OPEN right here. The only reason you want people to respond through e-mail is so that you can TRACK & HARASS them into abandoning their truth reporting. Furthermore your spelling mistake was much worse than Warior’s as yours denotes a whole DIFFERENT term while at least warior still refers to the same term. The New World Order is going to be conquered.
frazier Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Investigators sent in by the government are obviously not free agents, by definition.
Why are those with jars for heads allowed to comment on things that require a working brain anyway? That’s not what they are for. They are just supposed to do whatever violence the imperial president asks, and that’s all. Swearing at everything doesn’t get you more believed it makes you look more like a MORON, if that’s possible.
Why is there a drill for the same exact thing EVERYTIME these things happen, huh?
Duh!
just a thought Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Are you a demolition expert reconmarine?
I love how you come up with these idiotic posts but can never back your own story up.
I wish I could endorse you cause you would be the perfect spokes person for the debunkers. You stick to the flimsy evidence and ignore the rest of it.
reconmarine Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I’m probably more familiar with YOUR theories then you are and where they originated from. Back up my own story? What do you want to know about me?
Yeah, I’d consider myself a demolition expert. Not in the same sense as guys blowing down buildings, but in working with different types of convention and non conventional explosives, yes.
You and lots of other people here say my posts as idiotic but nobody has ever proved my facts to be wrong. If all you can do is say “your wrong, I’m right”, how strong is that?
I can back up every claim i have made and have at least triple checked all the facts
Let me know what about me or the facts you want to know and Ill let you know.
Im not hiding.
Rob Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I think you need to take another look. The damage is clearly on the floor and ceiling the seats are almost pristine. Now if a bomb was in that compartment the seats would have more damage, however, if the bomb were under the compartment then the force of the explosion would fountain up and damage the ceiling and floor, interesting that’s what the picture shows.
Maybe you should take a job in forensics because you seem to be a natural at it (sarcasm)
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:14 am
I travel regularly on the tube and whilst it can be a bit messy I would hardly describe the two seats nearest to the bomb blast as being “almost pristine”. The other seats are further away from the point of explosion and would likely have been occupied not to mention being shielded to some extent by those objects closer to the explosion.
Falconwolf Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Reconmarine is like most “debunkers”, they take one piece of the puzzle at a time and do whatever they can to give the sheep an excuse to no see the truth. Just say anything at all, it doesn’t even have to be convincing.
Reconmarine did you bother checking out any of the links mentioned in the article? Did you connect all the dots?
Of course not, why would you do that when that is precisely what you are paid to not do.
reconmarine Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:19 am
falconwolf,
Like most debunkers in I favor reality? Yeah, one piece of the puzzle at a time and when every single piece I look at doesn’t fit, I start to think the pieces, your “facts” are fabricated and DO NOT FIT.
I have applicable experience. You can not tell by this picture, clearly where the bomb was.
BUT, lets say you are right, not that you are, but for arguments sake. WHY the fuck would they put a bomb under the train and not in the train? Where is the back blast damage to the concrete? Where are the powder burns and flash marks on the under carriage and concrete? The tires and wheels would most likely be out as well.
Just like the missile at the Pentagon theory, this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever and if someone was doing this as a fake attack, they would never operate so sloppy in that they are needing to fool the worlds leading experts on investigating these types of crime scenes.
glasgow.truth.4.7.7 Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
just u keep on taking the flouridated water big man, its doing u the world of good – your a poster boy for the nwo.
DeProgrammer Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Let’s see, this braindead douche wrote, “Just like the missile at the Pentagon theory, it makes ZERO sense, even if it was an inside job and especially if it was an inside job?”.
-Reconmarine
Yeah who could ever believe that a missle hit the pentagon with all that American Airlines wreckage they were picking up by hand scattered throughout the Pentagon lawn and all that clear video evidence the F.B.I. so eagerly released showing two tenths of one second of the actual plane striking the recently re-enforced side of the building.
You’re a world class moron. Sit down and STFU.
reconmarine Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:24 am
deprogrammer- So, have you ever seen a missile fired in real life? (not in video games)
It looks NOTHING like an airliner. There are over 200 plus witnesses and NONE saw anything other then a huge jet. (Flight 77) All but one passengers remains, and infant, were recovered. The engines, the luggage, the wheels, black boxes, and 95% of the plane was recovered from the Pentagon. So, smart guy, was all of that loaded in the Pentagon before hand or was it strapped to the missile?
Did the missile hit the light poles while dropping fairy dust on all the witnesses so they would think it was a missile?
What about our enemies real time satellite surveillance capabilities? We were war gaming with Russia at the time so they likely had it working, watching the air responses to a real threat.
But, Im sure it was a missile, because thats so much more fun.
Notfooled. Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
The sardonic nature of your post betrays your hateful agenda. Furthermore: who says that all of those alleged “witnesses” are credible? Should not the credibility of the so called witnesses be assessed in a court of law? Oops I forgot: there was never any cross examination of the witnesses in question during a trial to determine the guilt of the accused in the attacks. Ergo: the “testimony” of the alleged “witnesses” can only ever be regarded as hearsay & it certainly not irrefutable “evidence” of an airliner. Furthermore: when the hell are the accused ever going to be brought before a court of law so that justice for the crimes can be had? If the accused terrorists did do what they are accused of doing then when the hell are they going to be ARRESTED & TRIED in a court of law? If the government is so confident of the case against the accused why are they not prosecuting them in a court of law & getting convictions.
Notfooled. Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
& don’t reply with the nonsense that they all “died” in the attacks because then why they hell did the State BOMB Afghanistan? Why did they round up suspected terrorists in Guantanamo? Why have they not been brought to stand trial for their crimes? Furthermore: at least 7 of the alleged hijackers were reported as alive & well just days after the attack. So who the hell piloted the planes? How the hell can you dismiss the evidence which contradicts the official version when the official version has disintegrated & the government itself even ADMITTED that they do not even know the identities of those who committed the attacks.
Notfooled. Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Furthermore: no one thinks that it is “fun” to think it was a missile. The problem here is that you like to dismiss the EVIDENCE which points in the DIRECTION of a missile. All of this is neither here not there at any rate since the Pentagon missile assertion is the weakest link of the event as the strongest evidence is at the World Trade Towers where the documented evidence of controlled demolition is much stronger & is evident in the near free fall speed at which the towers disintegrated as there were 47 steel core columns which would have prevented the building from collapsing but suspiciously gave way offering no resistance in a complete violation of the laws of physics. The video evidence clearly shows the towers SHEERING off & tilting to the SIDE but for some unknown reason the building underneath it STILL collapsed & explosion squibs were clearly notable occurring WELL below the demolition wave. Game over Reconut as this event has been exposed for the sham that is was.
Warior. Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
This Reconmarine troll was EXPOSED at the following link. Furthermore he admits his mendacity in the use of this particular moniker as it is a DOUBLE entendre. It is really meant to be read as Reckon Marine – even as Re Con Marine – which just about illustrates his entire act because all he ever does is RECKON this or RECKON that while never providing any facts. Not only was he NEVER a Recon Marine BUT he lies about everything else. Therefore since he is not a Recon Marine this means that he is only a Reckon “Marine” or a Re Con.
Sleazy P. Martini Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Hey Retardmarine, do you think anybody actually believes your BS either?
reconmarine Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Yeah, if they have read about 9/11, books and websites NOT related to the truth movement. Of course, this is reality.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Much like the 9/11 attacks, NONE of the official story of what happened on 7/7 stands up to scrutiny. We don’t need a picture to tell us that, although I’m sure thorough analysis of the photos of the scene would put the lie to the official story.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I cannot see where the metal is “curved down” as you say. This is not conclusive and not a “smoking gun” – but then again the article points out that it is just one of many issues. The testimony of Bruce Lait remains very solid and questions about where the bombs were in relation to the ID issue is also highly suspicious.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:43 am
If the new world order sychopant Brown had nothing to fear he would have an investigation into 7/7. After all he hates Blair. But of course he can put his personality animosity aside for the sake of his world dream and his illuminati masters.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am
As certain as I am it was a government op, this does not really prove anything other than a bomb went off. I don’t see how it proves the bomb was planted underneath just because there’s a hole in the floor. Don’t forget the Pakistan hotel bombing and the Riyadh hotel bombings both left huge craters in the ground.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
The photo is inadequate for reaching any conclusion about the location of the bomb. The fact that this photo is available is evidence that there is a photo of the hole in the center of the frame. There is also a picture of details of the hole, as any forensic analyst with a camera would shoot all over the train car, not only this one shot.
Where are the other pictures?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:34 am
I have to agree with some of the others, I don’t think this photo does much for either side of the debate. Seems like the hole is kind of small, considering the damage to the inside of the train. (Someone should do some experiments using similar explosives and materials. Then we could see what it’s supposed to look like.)
Bottom line, I think there’s stronger evidence out there to support that this was an inside job.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am
i actually agree with reconmarine on this one….doesnt convince me of an underneath explosion. pulling at straws here….
Falconwolf Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
It’s about a lot more than the picture, it’s about the eyewitness testimony which is corroborated by the picture. Add to that all the other info from the links in the article.
CONNECT THE DOTS
Don’t just look at one piece of information and say well that could be …. then look at another piece and say well this could be…. Put the pieces together
sniper Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Yup, Its funny how people that believe the official story nevr want to listen to the civilians or first responders who were actually there! What is wrong with those fucking poeple!?
moon rising Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
had an eye test recently ?? andrew
July 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Actually, looking at that devastation, if the bag was next to him in the carriage, he would likely as would everyone else be in small pieces.
This may have been a “wet” bomb, a conflagration device with little explosive power but mor flame but looking at the inside of that train and things just don’t match up, for it were a wet bomb, then the structural damage would not be so severe and there would be more scorching on the flammables e.g. seats and plastics but these seem to survive well unlike the floor and the ceiling above the floor and anything that isn’t resilient.
However, a bag device left loose on the floor would I think have had different effects, firstly it would likely have bounced around in its initial detonation before the pressure wave hits and the lack of dead people due to ruptured ear drums is a bit of a poser too, in a confined space like that, as seen when smaller explosives such as shells hit enclosed spaces on ships, anyone trapped in that closed container instantly dies, why did this not happen here?
Underground train windows are exceptionally tough due to the pressure requirements, were the windows blown in or blown outwards? There is also a chance that they exploded where they were, held in place for that crucial moment shattering.
But going back to the time of it, does anyone remember that Professor on the BBC, the one who swore it was military grade explosive then recanted? The story not so long before of a load of C4 being stolen from a depot somewhere…?
If these people were intent on killing, why did they fail so abysmally as well, any bomb maker knowns the “provo cocktail” of adding a pound of nails or something and look what that did in Oxford Street and Newry, dead bodies everywhere but what we have here is a bomb that looks scary but actually isn’t, in my opinion, a tool to frighten more than maim…
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
YOUR LAST LINE TO FRIGHTEN IS WHAT I THOUGHT
LOOK AT MY PREVIOUS POST IN REPLY TO glasgow.truth.4.7.7
I THOUGHT IT WAS FACING THE DOORS
THIS WOULD HAVE BLOWN THE DOORS OUT
frustrated phil Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
The ‘patsies’ weren’t even on the trains in question, due to a missed connection. Those poor innocent guys were shot dead later at Canary Wharf, miles away, and their ID cards magically ‘uncovered’ in pristine condition, among the charred wreckage.
What MI5, Mossad and the Met had failed to factor into their ‘cunning plan’ was the sad state of Britain’s crumbling and dilapidated rail infrastructure and rolling stock, causing multiple cancellations and the missed connections. If these intelligence agencies had an ounce of intelligence they would keep this stuff simple so that less could go wrong. You just can’t get the staff these days.
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:43 am
I dint even know that people were shot at canary whalf
and i live 20 min away
I haven’t seen it on the news
I have looked on the net but only found police denied it?
frustrated phil Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:42 am
I believe it was only announced on the national news once that day and thereafter hushed up. I must have seen it on either Ripple Effect or Terror Storm, maybe both?
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:29 am
FFS
frustrated phil Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Here are some accounts of the shootings, published by overseas media:
http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/.....0news.html
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Good grief, Phil – that’s the most non-evidence based piece of opinion I’ve ever heard. Well done
frustrated phil Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Why thank you Fair and Balanced, glad you like it. Out of interest, which parts do you feel lacking in evidence?
Anyways, who needs evidence? Seems the only necessary qualification required of a politician or top policeman these days is to be a convincing liar.
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:59 am
The bit about the alleged terrorists having been shot at Canary Wharf. There’s not a single piece of evidence.
And who needs evidence? Well, most rational people. Why bother citing something if it doesn’t matter whether it can be proven to be true?
frustrated phil Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:03 am
So you believe the chapatti flour and bleach version foisted upon us by these bungling idiots in the pay of criminals who think the world belongs to them?
OK, I’ll admit that the isolated news reports of the Canary Wharf shootings have been reduced to hearsay due to lack of archive material and cctv camera footage. But then ask yourself in which camp the mainstream media finds itself, and which company has the cctv contract.
Fair and Balanced, much as I appreciate your integrity, this is no time for rationality. I’m afraid that most rational people will soon be six feet under in an airtight casket. Now is the time for concerted public pressure.
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
No offence but “this is no time for rationality”? Really?
I’d wager that we’ll still be here in 10 years time fretting about being six feet under in an airtight casket.
The Canary Wharf story only ever involved a story about one person being shot, not four. Even if the report of a shooting was true (and there’s no evidence that it was) then that wouldn’t explain what happened to the other three. Also, if the mainstream media was complicit then it would never have interviewed Powers lest he give the game away (if there was a game to give away).
And the explosion was a lot more than flour and bleach.
frustrated phil Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
OK Fair and Balanced, you win.
I escaped from that Godforsaken island some 25 years ago, I just had a feeling that something was not right. If you are too blind to see that what is happening around you is far from fair and balanced, then I’m afraid you never will. No offense. ; )
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Fair enough. Maybe in the future, with any luck, I’ll be able to stop acting rationally and will then be able to say things which I won’t even pretend to have any evidence for and have basically extrapolated from an unverified report on the same mainstream media which I deride.
Maybe, though maybe not.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
could do with a picture of an undamaged carriage from the same angle for comparison.
This looks kind of similar (blue uprights from seats, yellow uprights by doors, similar grey block at end of seat) but there’s way too many people in the way
http://img1.photographersdirec.....927774.jpg
July 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
The party’s over, scumbags – the wheels have fallen off of your carnival wagon, and your scumbaggery has been exposed.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
First Contact is about to happen. These are exciting times. A whistleblower and several persons associated with the Obama Administration have come forward to FINALLY reveal the truth about Extra-Terrestrial existence. There is a benevolent race called the Galactic Federation of Light, a consortium of 1200 inhabited planets which have reached a deal for final First Contact. Google & You Tube First Contact and learn the truth.
This is all a part of 2012 and the Ascension process. Visit this web site and learn what these kind ET brethren want us to know and how to prepare:
http://www.thegrandawakening.com/services.html
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
That hasn’t got no relevance m8 and it kak
Sleazy P. Martini Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:50 am
cough cough bullshit cough cough . October 14,2008 came and went just like the other times so whatever bud . Grand awakening = scam
July 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Crop Circles predicting Solar Storms? Woah. There is an energy in the air….can you FEEL it? You are now changing..your DNA is being modified to ascend to the next level. Dig deep in your heart and you will feel change….learn about the changes of 2012. Its not the end…but a new beginning: http://www.thegrandawakening.com/about_us.html
July 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
This (or any other such) picture could have been easily staged after taking a carriage in a warehouse and exploding a bomb from within. This inconclusive picture could be released to get us treating such evidence seriously, then later conclusive (staged) images (not just an uncropped version of this particular one could be released and the weight given to this implicitly transferred to those. Just looking at it, it has a staged feel – why would such a photo be taken while three guys are at work? Photographs of the scene for the purposes of record or forensics surely ought not have people in the way of the subject – ie the interior of the damaged carriage?
PROCEED WITH CAUTION
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
GOOD POINT M8
July 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
here is one to think about…. hussain waited for an hour before he “blew himself up”
WHY not do it at the ARRANGED time?
could it be that he could not get the tube that he was supposed to get because it was very crowded, so deccided that he had missed his alloted train (given to him by his handler) and so went to contact his handler.
then BOOM he heard about the other bombs and S@it himself milled about in a state of shock tried to phone his friends and his handler (conveniantly the network wasnt working…ordered shut down at the request of police, which means the request of mi5) and was on the tavistock bus tring to get back to kings cross when he was diverted to the very place where the explosive van was lying in wait for him to set off his bomb… (they had to do this because the triggers to set off all the bombs were on the underground and therefore because hussain missed his train he missed his trigger too)
so he hopped out the station and tried to go to euston train station to see if he could catch up with the train he was supposed to get he missed the connection so got on the number 30….he was reported to be going in and out of his bag…..did he realise the “dummy bomb” he was carrying was not dummy but real and what would you do leave it and run?
i would have tried to take it back from where i got it which would mean going to kings cross and catching a train back to leeds……..all is not well with this and whatever pictures we get i think that the truth will never be revealed…take care out there
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
No that’s silly
There is no way on earth a bus would catch up with a tube train
Have you ever been on a bus I London
YOUR BETTER OFF WALKING
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:01 am
The ‘explosives van’ would have been totally incapable of providing an explosion – the company didn’t have a license to handle the neccessary types of explosive.
Winston Smith/Truthteller/reconmarine Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:03 am
No license huh? well that seals it. HA!
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:49 am
I don’t think the van had anything to do with it
would anyone be that stupid to use blow up a bus using there own work van
IT WAS JUST PASSING AT THE TIME
Ive been looking into the bombing from when it started
I heard no mention of the van until i watched that program on the tv
SAME WITH THE SIGN ON THE BUS
I think those was put in to make the whole conspiracy to sound rubbish
dis info
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Nope, no license and no equipment or expertise. Why hire people who have no ability or resources to carry out a bomb blast and then let them drive up in a marked van? You’d have to be pretty thick to do that and maybe to believe it would be done that way as well.
frustrated phil Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Just another one of their arrogant, twisted jokes. Doing the bus in front of the Tavistock Institute is another example. I bet they all had a good laugh at that.
Pirate Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:27 am
The Tavistock Clinic and Tavistock Insitute were based at 51 Tavistock Square, which is the at the south corner of the square. The bus was blown up outside the BMA, at the north corner of the square. Oh, and the Tavistock Clinic and the Tavistock Institute moved out of that address in 1967, anyway.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
funny i just saw this photo in the daily mail and though hang on this picture shows clearly that the blast caem from under the train.. wonder if its someone purposefully leaking info??
July 8th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
seems MI-5 got a lot of splainin to do bout dat hole, Lucy! and them Brits got to build a gallows and start to hang their own treasonous mass murdering scum in their government too, Lucy!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
The Daily Mail has a history for covertly trying to tell its readers something. For example, the pictures of “police officers” with customized weapons on 22/07/05. Only the SAS would be allowed to fit the stock of one rifle on the body of another. And as for hollow point (dum-dum) ammunition: No way would the MET even have this in stock, let alone be permitted to use it.
Kindly note that soon after Bruce Lait was released from hospital, he was give a plumb job. Presumably to keep him on side with the official story, aka the fiction. Haven’t heard that his partner, Crystal was similarly rewarded. Come on guys, you know it was an inside job. Check the similarities to 9/11, particularly the “training exercise” that mirrored the actual attack.
When the day of reckoning comes, the journalists that sold us mug-punters the lies should face the same retribution as the politicians and security services spooks. Namely, a short drop and a sudden stop.
And don’t quote Scripture, unless you’re campaigning for the position of Village Idiot.
nader paul kucinich gravel Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Just like 9/11
frustrated phil Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Well done the Daily Mail for pushing this. No point in holding an official inquiry into this, at least not in the current climate, it would just be a expensive exercise in whitewash. Trial by media can be much more effective.
Anyone else get the feeling the MI5 mob were waiting patiently for this story to be posted with their comments at the ready, to fire a volley of disinfo in the first set of replies? If one of them had posted “1st” it might have appeared more authentic.
Pirate Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Andrew, clearly you don’t know much about British armed police in general, and SO19 (Met) in particular. British police use semi-jacked soft-point ammunition as standard, which is only one step away from the jacket hollow-points authorised for use under Kratos. Both are entirely legal for police use in the UK. Also Met Special Firearms Officers have access to a wide variety of weapons and have a lot of discretion in what they can use. Try reading ‘Armed Police’ by Michael J Waldron (2007, Sutton Publishing).
July 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Sources Added To Free Collaborative Research Database: http://infowardocs.org
July 8th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Nothing to see here people. move along. Its an old story- lets go see what Brittney Spears is doing…or please check out the current happenings of Kate and Jon Gosslin. The Government is good. Slavery is Freedom.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
yo dis is sum horshyt man. i mean fuck man, u dont think it mite be possble that maybe some arab did it? i meanz there are 2bil muslims on this eart and sum of ‘em are pissed.
SO quit all dis illuminati horsheyt man its childish man. yer photo dont prove shit at all dogg, i mean shits all fucked up in that train who da fuck knows where da explosion blew from.
i mean da guy in tha middle look like me after i knock my weed in da carpet and im all bent over searchin dogg. and you can never find it.
ANYWAY, FUCK DIS PHOTO, if yall had some fuckin videos i mite give it a look but as it stands now, a whiteboy in a hazmat costume wyt spectacles on aint doin shit for ME
DeProgrammer Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
This is American education folks at it’s finest.
Funny thing is. I don’t think he’s just trying to be cool…I personally think this is how fuckin stupid this retard is. Then he acts as if we’re supposed to care if this picture “does it for him”. Here’s what you should be caring about asshole, learning to spell so when your welfare runs out, you’ll know how to fill out a job application correctly with your illiterate ass.
Are you trying to shock us with your stupidity? Because i think if you want to shock somebody you should try getting a job, i’ll bet you’ll shock the shit outta your parents!
mike slater Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:47 am
Too right. This passion for illiterate verse really does my head in.
sniper Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
get the fuck off this forum you piece of shit!your part of the problem!
Blackburn2Boston Reply:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
You werido what the hell are you saying ? You on drugs or just a retard I know my spelling is shit but you take the piss. Everyone should have the right to say whatever, even if they cant spell great like me. But if I was that bad like you, I would not bother trying dude.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
There used to be photos all over the web of that hole. Me and many people I know have also saved that image. I will look for it.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
#####7/7 Ripple Effect#######
(56:56)
http://video.google.com/videop.....3359807776
NJ Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:24 am
Oh my…! Shocking video. I feel like I’m broken to pieces, I can’t get over how that official (can’t remember if he was a general public servant, or “intelligence” agent) befriended one of them, and set him up for execution then accusation (in death). How sinister. That evil, real evil. Why?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
We should do what were told, they are the masters were the slaves. Just get Chip get the ID Card pay globel warming Tax because that is real. do as you’re told and maybe we can keep our freedom they are gods we should do as were told lets be good to our masters they might treat us nice?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:56 am
we all seem to overlook 1 thing for both 7/7 and 9/11
re enacted it with both scenarios. have a bomb underneath see what happens, fly a scaled plane into a WTC scaled tower, see what happens, put explosives in the columns see what happens, thats what boggles me is no one will re enact it to prove either theory
July 9th, 2009 at 3:28 am
“However, one very reliable eyewitness statement is very clear in making it plain that no suicide bombers were involved, and the bomb could only have been planted underneath the train, contradicting the official story completely.”
Eyewitness statements aren’t reliable. Ask a group what clothes the robber was wearing and prepare for different answers. The guy not noticing a terrorist with a backpack is completely understandable and he admits on his own that the police officer needed to warn him of the hole in the floor.
“We’d been on there for a minute at most…” – not a very long time to study his surroundings. “As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been.” and “..I don’t remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag,”.
So first he admits he didn’t know where the bomb was and then he says no one with a bag was there. Great eyewitness.
Come on PJW, you can do better. Look at the story first then come to a conclusion, don’t start with a conclusion and mould the story to fit it.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:19 am
Isn’t this also the carriage that the government’s controlled opposition spokeswoman Rachel North claims to have been in, where she says the explosion was inside the carriage, not beneath the floor, even though she was obviously not close-enough to the explosion to have seen and known whether it was or not?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:32 am
England had to have its Sept 11 it even had a catchy name so that we would not forget this, and there is to much wrong with it to be anything but an inside job. It would not be the first time this country has killed its own for a cause this was to prove that they were right to join Bush in the the war and really it did not matter if we agreed or not our job is to supply troops and anything would be used to make this happen even killing. The only terrorism to fear in this country is state there was no Muslim involved in this I am sure but there was another middle eastern group who was to keep their blood lust going. This is were the ww3 will come from and allowed to by the West who will not stop it but will expect all who live here to back them and will us the soldiers to beat us with guilt and shame. It is about power and to have that much power you must have the cash to go with it the Govenment is paying £7million per day for war in one country so how much did it pay for Iraqi=credit crunch= poverty for many in this country. What you sow so shall you reap will come true, climate change but no one says anything about war and what it does and who benefits from it? It was a inside job.
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:08 am
Actually it made more people think we were wrong to join the war in Iraq since this was cited by the perpetrators as the reason for the attacks. Claiming that you’re going to war to fight terrorism and then being a victim of terrorism as a result doesn’t tend to be a very good selling point.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:50 am
we’re all mushrooms, fed shit and kept in the dark. what it boils down to is this. no one can be trusted anymore. the truth is now sadly a thing of the past, right and wrong have melded together, mandleson is the one to be wary of, unelected with power is very dangerous. we are letting them get away with anything they want, any one still here ?
July 9th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Well, if it’s a conspiracy or not, what will change? What can YOU do about it? Anything? Nothing? Individuals… Groups… Concentrate on getting on with your OWN life… Check out “Words of Peace” website, best thing we can do, man.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Does anyone really think that if you leave a bomb on the floor that it wouldn’t blow a hole in the floor? How do they think it could rip through the floor from underneath but not from above? When people talk about a bomb ‘blowing up’ they don’t literally mean that it blows up the way, you know – it goes off in all directions.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:04 am
The fact that the policeman had to warn them of a “hole” as they were being led out to safety obviously suggests that the hole was in the floor and therefore a potential hazard to them exiting the train.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:20 am
I’m not sure exactly what happened on 7/7, nor am I positive what led to 9/11. But everyone on this site seems so quick to blame western governments, particularly the USA. Out of all the articles I have read on here and all the follow posts I have yet to find concrete evidence that proves the arguments presented here.
Now I am not bashing any of you who believe differently than I do. I am glad you are free to present your arguments. I just question your reasoning. But I must say it is an interesting read.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:32 am
these oil war terror incidents are perennially dogged by CCTV failure arent they? and do our dear leaders expect us to believe in time travel?
July 9th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Our governments could also supply the populace with terror drill timetables as johnny terrorist has a knack of targetting the exact same times and places of these drills.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:15 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVjOK2KCwqg
July 9th, 2009 at 6:29 am
i’m not sure but did tony blair suddenly find religion, a guilty consience perhaps, forgive me father for I have sinned, well its too late tony old chap, lake of fire for you, . there are strong forces out there said our queen , but if you’ve done nothing wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about they say, do we want to know the truth so it makes a difference or are we just nosey gits, inside job for sure, no way did they have the ingredients to cause damage that bad, military grade explosives were used with military timing , any one sill there ?
July 9th, 2009 at 6:37 am
I think the key might be to look at the bottum right hand side. The way the metal is bent on the side of the seat, it seems to me at least to show the movement of energy from the blast has pushed it back a little, as if the floor has been pushed up and towards the bottum of the seats. Where as if it had been inside, the floor would be pushed down and away from the bottum of the seats. Im not expert but you got to look at all the detail around.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:45 am
enoon, there is a very resonable explanation of why these training drills happen at the same time.
If the Police are awear of a terror threat, a drill, where the public and everyone involved believe they are safe, is a very good may to manage the event without scaring the s@”t out of everyone. It means you can have people in the right places, ie police etc, without people getting suspicious.
But by the same account it mean the gouverment can carry out terror acts, maintaining public safty as much as possible, while at the same time scaring the public into a state of histiria in the long run.
I gues the only thing we have to be thankfull for, the truth always outs itself, and our hands are clean of this evil act.
Fair and Balanced Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:05 am
The police had absolutely nothing to do with this terror drill. It was a private company running it for a half-dozen people. Nobody outside of that private company was even aware of it. The public would have been completely unaware of it had the presumably complicit Powers not blabbed about it on TV. Why on earth would the police be informed of such a small inconsequential dummy operation carried out for a handful of staff at a publishing house? They wouldn’t be and they weren’t – simple as that.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:53 am
How come we never hear anything about the terrorist attack in spain that took place shortly after the english one? It was on a train I believe. I seem to remember at the time that the people rioted….was it because they knew the government did it? http://www.conspiracyfriendfinder.com/
July 9th, 2009 at 7:23 am
during the IRA days i was a train driver in london and witnessed bombings at fenchurch st, we all knew that to carry out max carnage, walk into the drivers cab disable the driver and drive full speed untill you hit something, thats what i think a real terrorist would have done, any one still there?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am
NO THE MAJORITY OF US SLEEP SOUNDLY AND SLEEP WALK FOR OUR GOVERNMENT ELITE
AS THEY READY THEMSELVES FOR THE GREAT SATANIC BEAST FEAST THAT THEY ARE INVITING US ALL TO ATTEND AS THE MAIN COURSE
July 9th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Not being ghoulish or anything but a picture of the the same scene with bodies in situ would help. the emergency services would have, i expect, used cutting and spreader equipment to retrieve survivors and later bodies. There would have been considerable post explosion damage done. Just my 2 cents worth.
john
July 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
seems a good point to me that the alleged backpack homemade bombs should make dirty great holes in the floor but sfa holes in the walls/doors or ceilings of the tube carriages…one dimennsional blasts? caveat that iknow diddley about explosives.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Who ever did that was ghoulish, looks curved up to me but it seem if it was inside it would do more damage to the ceiling and walls if it could do that to the floor.
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July 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
To reconmarine,
In above post you ask,”if the bomb was under the bus, where is the flash mark on the pavement and why aren’t the tires blown out… Etc”
I say good point, but not to service you attempt to debunk, you are switching the burden of proof to us saying that we need to provide evidence. This is a slick tactic considering that none of us have access to the original forensic evidence. If our governments are so honest why don’t they provide all forensic evidence that was gathered. The burden of proof is on he who gathered the evidence, not the guy asking questions. Just like september 11th, piss poor forensic and record keepimg and all of the evidence promply removed and quickly destoyed. Just keep the few bits of evidence that somewhat supports their claims.
With the ammounts of claims being made against the official stories of this, sept 11 and the pentagon. Why doesn’t the gov just release mountains of evidence to silence it all. No they release 1 picture that proves nothing. This leads me to believe they have long destroyed the evidence, never gathered it in the first place or the evidence they have is self incriminating and therefore will never be released.
Switching the burden of proof is always the tactic used but it wouldn’t fly in a court of law. That is why no court trials have been held, the only one that existed the lady who was the plaintif just happened to be in an airplane that crashed on its way to buffalo a few days after she met with obama to discuss the trial. Again, the gov changed the official story on that 3 or 4 times now. Oh this is why this happened… No but that is imposible. Oh sorry we goofed, it was this… But that isn’t possible either. Ok what about this… And so on just keep makoing up whatever story and let the people have to prove your lying then just tell a new lie.
What say you recon?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
The only way to stop this bickering is for the British government to accept a completely independant public enquiry and release ALL the evidence.
God Bless.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
It is true that this is not conclusive evidence. It was definitely released this way so no real conclusion can be made. One commentator has stated that the picture shows the metal structure of the bus pushed downards at some points and pushed upwards at other points in the picture. There can be several reasons for this. Generally most explosives generate an implosion before their kinetic energy is released in an explosion. The surrounding material can pull inwards towards the explosion site in the early stages, then later pushed outwards.
Another reason is that we are talking different meterials with different tensile strengths. Some materials could have been pushed outwards by the explosive force then others may have pushed outwards slightly then tried to return to their original shape. Most kinetic explosives do not have a uniform effect at the blast site. The kinetic energy of the explosive creates a chemical reaction with a heat blast and shock wave at the site. The varied materials on the bus reacted differently to the force of the explosive and not all of the materials would push out in the same direction even if the bomb was on the bottom of the bus.
I think the so called “patsies” were killed with small explosives in their bags or backpacks so they could not contradict the official story. They may have been unwitting dupes in the plot. Being that NWO and Black Operations types never leave anything to chance the targets of the 7/7 attacks were probably well primed and set well before the “patsies” arrived. Also making homemade explosives is tricky stuff. First you must buy large amounts of material for an effective weapon. This is not something you buy at the local drugstore or hardware store without drawing attention especially in an urban area. Second. the device once made is extreemly sensitive and one stray spark such as a static electric shock can set it off. It is nearly impossible for an amateur to get the technique completely right without hurting themselves.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:54 am
I used to read this shit, you people need to go outside.. If you honestly think your “fighting the NWO” by spouting out bullshit on a fucking conspiracy website, you need your head checked.. If you have a wife and kids, please stop fucking their lives up. Worry about real problems please, if this shit goes down like the doomsday professors here at “prisonplanet” say it will.. Then there isn’t much the peons can do anyway, I used to stand up for and defend Alex when I FIRST got into this stuff, but if you really look at things rationally you will see that the true revolutionaries devise there own opinions of the news, not come here and get it right from “prisonplanet” this is there job, if they don’t report gloomy conspiracies on a daily basis, they have no job!! SO they have to do all this shit, regardless of what they know about it.. I am not trying to bash, but honestly look at all the things that “prisonplanet” has said, that have NOT come to pass, at ALL… It is you who needs to wake up, and stop being sheep.
The_Thinking_Scotsman Reply:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I hear what you are saying and yeah, their are many things that have not come to fruition but like my mother always said ‘there is no smoke without fire’.
Do I beleive theres a giant conspiracy? YES but do i come to Alex’s website and then go act like a dictphone? NO because like Alex and other truth movement speakers/researchers they encourage you to do your own research/Investigating.
When I first started looking into conspiracy stuff approx 10/11 years ago I just gave it a fleeting glance evertime I had a length amount of spare time but after 9/11 I started to get in too deep where that was all i could see or was interested in, I almost got out of that cycle then the 7/7 bombings dragged me back in. Now i feel this whole Flu thing has yet again got me sat at my computer watching videos and reading articles, Its not that i do not beleive, its not that i do not want tooo act either but trying to wake people up is like getting blood out of a stone.
If there was a GOAL except reading/watching that i could help or become a part off, then yeah, i definatly would be part of it, some might ask why i do not make my own GOAL and acheive that wether its just a mass protest or taking over a TV broadcast I have 2 simple reasons, 1: I cannot get enough people too ‘wake up’ to join me (Since 9/11 Ive probs only managed to get around 20 people locally that i know off to look into it and wake up, I may have woken more people with the DVD’s Ive distrubuted but i can oly say approx 20) AND my 2nd reason: I have MS (Relapsing/Remitting) and i can only walk unaided approx 100 yards/cant stand up for long and need to take frequent ‘nps’ through the day as the fatigue is horrendous.
One of the main reasons it is difficult to wake people is that they do not have the time to commit to reading and watching stuff on the computer and the ones that do manage to fit it in, they find it takes its toll on their relationship with their partner as u become suspicious of everything and question even the smallest incidents. Please do not think I don’t think its a noble/worthy cause, i just think that its a cause that is not suited for everybody. Another reason some people turn a blind eye even though they know something is wrong with ‘the picture’ is because ‘Ignorance is Bliss’ as the saying goes. People dont want to be sitting trembling in bed thinking ‘are they gonna be attacked’ or ‘is this the last night of normality’ I,myself have had sleepless nights where my brain is running threw scenario upon scenario, I sometimes just wish sometimes malevolent beings would appear and give us (inc. the NWO) something else/bigger too think about.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:35 am
I don’t think this has been covered by any of the 7th July London bombings but has anyone ever noticed that in any of the pictures of the wreckages and the people their isnt any visable blood or boddy part? (Obviously there’s bloood on the injured from their wounds) BUT, surley when a person ‘Detonates’ their is going to be blood smattered EVERYWHERE?? even more so in an enclosed space like the tube train/tunnel? I would have thought that their would at LEAST be a pool(s) of blood and possibly footprints from passengers that should have stepped in pools of it? Also, why dont we see body parts? I know if there were any that they would unlikley be broadcast due to the graffic nature but i do not recall any video’s or documets mentioning that either.
If there is 7/7/05 Truth videos or documents that mention this, could someone kindly give me the names of the videos or even link me too them please?
The 9/11 & 7/7 ‘Incidents’ and the stories that go with them are pharsical at best, their are more f’ing holes in the STORIES than a fishing net ffs!!
TTS
Pirate Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:45 am
Real life isn’t a Quentin Tarantino or Sam Peckinpah movie – blood doesn’t get sprayed “EVERYWHERE”. In any case, blood-stains don’t stay looking like blood for very long, so if you’re looking for bright red smears, you’ll not find many, especially in photographs taken some time after the event, which most of the Underground train shots clearly were. There are, however, a number of shots of blood on the BMA building in Tavistock Square. The reason you don’t see many photos with body parts is that those generally don’t get released to the media, who aren’t that keen on publishing them, either. That said, there are again some photographs from Tavistock Square that do show bodies.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I hope the Brits are not as gullible as the Yanks.