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New EU President Rompuy announces 2009 as “first year of global governance”
Daniel Taylor
OLd-thinker News
November 21, 2009
Related: Bilderberg Appointee Van Rompuy Is First EU President
The new EU President, Herman Van Rompuy, has proclaimed 2009 as the “first year of global governance.” During Rompuy’s intervention as President on November 19th, he stated,
“2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.”
Rompuy attended a Bilderberg dinner at Hertoginnendal, Brussels on November 15th, during which he announced a plan to implement EU wide taxes that will be paid directly to Brussels. Recently Mario Borghezio (Italy), member of the European Parliament, spoke openly against the influence of globalist organizations such as the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission. “Is it possible that no one has noticed that all 3 (EU Presidential candidates) frequently attend Bilderberg or Trilateral meetings?,” asked Borghezio. Rompuy will undoubtedly serve globalist interests during his reign of the European Union.
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November 21st, 2009 at 5:54 am
Oh well,
We have the EU only for a couple of years and we already have had our ‘50 years EU’ celebration…
It’ll be not long before we have our ‘50 years of Global governance’ party as well…
The New World Order is not coming, that’s a myth…It’s here and always has been here.
It just changes face every now and then…
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 7:40 am
He is highly mistaken, the global governance will begin after the true Church (Not Catholic) of the Lord Jesus Christ is Raptured from this earth to heaven. Then the antichrist will be revealed and take his office as the king of the world. You have God’s Word on it!-2 Thessalonians 2:1 ¶Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 ¶Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Prepare to meet thy God! Repent and Receive The Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.
ToucheDouche Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:10 am
Jesus Christ was a lie.
Quantummonkeybutt Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 6:43 pm
2009 Is The First Year The ‘New World Order’ Architects Are Actually Scared Their Hidden Agendas And Conspiracies Might Be Discovered By The Population that Far Outnumbers Them Before They Have A Chance To Execute Their Final “Endgame”…
They Are Accelerating In Their Plans, Because Truth Is Accelerating In Exposing Them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0i4sJqHPUk (”ENDGAME” PART 1/13)
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truth
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dan from ohio Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 am
remember that when you knell and bow at his feet on judgment day…
semperfotis Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
“you mean there is no Santa mommy?” the nine year old asked. you actually mean ESUS (no j in hebrew) messiah meant harvest. the NWO isn’t worried yet, “most of the folls still believe in relgion” spirituality is different. religion is BOGUS. like that cross in the crown symbol. tell a bible thumper anything legit and they ‘firewall’ to “the devil made you say that. he always makes you dount my savior” the lower the IQ, the higher chance of being a thumper.. ever notice how all those ‘reformed
crackheads and AA ‘graduates’ are so ‘reborn’. i used to see them pray to jesus every day when i took my kids to the park. total whack jobs. preaching is like WELFARE FOR MEN.
Jan Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I am not a crack head or or a “Bible Thumper” but I believe in Jesus as God’s only Son, and He is not a lie…make no mistake about that, and He is coming sooner than later. As the brither said, you will bow and confess at His feet that He is who He says that He is.
Agent Smith Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
The secret rapture is a lie, read the bible, its no where in there!
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
You are a mighty brave sinner Touche. When you die a sinner’s death and lift up your eyes in hell, you will see what a blind deceived fool you were your whole life.
All the sins that your father the devil has you bound to will never satisfy the vaccum in your heart.
Hell for eternity is waiting in you- Isaiah 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
You may not Bow your Knee to The Lord Jesus Christ in this life and get saved by His grace, but just as sure as you are living YOU WILL BOW AT THE “GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.”-Revelation 20:11 ¶And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Boy, you are in for a rude awakening. Do you also think your father the devil is a lie? John 8:44
will Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:23 pm
The secret rapture is not a lie it is a long standing evident fact of scripture. But it is no secret. The only question is when pre mid post Tribulation rapture. the word Rapiamore is found in the Latin Vulgate – which is slightly corrupted by the Roman Catholic Church — However the rapture theory did not star with the Millerites in the 1800’s that is a lie. Most of the articles on prison planet are correct to a degree, but rat poison has 99.998% good food to .002% poison so close with just enough poison to make it toxic if you go down that old road of blame the jew and christian like all other tyrannies including the Final world government of elitists controlled by the ECUMENICAL MOVEMENT 501c3- Headed by THE ROMAN CATHOLIC POPE a demonic looking fellow I am just wondering when Alex will be ready to admit his inticate ties to the Knights of Malta and the Jesuits and that Jesuit university he attend and continues to give speeches at——– No I know there are alot of cult followers of Mr Jones who would never bother to check that stuff out but you should.
Maybe he distracts people from the True head of the global government THE ROMAN CATHOLIC HIERARCHY while promoting crazy new age movies and philosophies and a hint of antisemitism. ————— History has never ceased to reveal the Pontiff’s
planned attempts to control the world — they called it the DARK AGES
Alex likes to promote Evolution and only has preacher’s on the show that spout the anti-semetic lie of Zionism contol——– The holf-juden”half-jew reffered to in the old testament as FOX’s just like Rupert Murdoch’s Roman Catholic- Mormon news channel -fauxnews- Anyway Kent Hovind (dr.DINO)and many other preachers in america have been silenced, as best the government can do through the Governments true financial Hitmen the IRS a weapon to silence political dissedents
Funny Dr dino told his radio listeners to pray for the IRS as they raided his complex– So they charged him for threatening them- after hearing these recordings I do have to wonder why Alex hasn’t brought him up– Hovind has been fighting the new world order for longer than Alex you don’t have to agree with everything he says unlike Alex Jones listeners tha get cut off as soon as they disagree in some way with Prison Planets take on nwo-rapture-creation-catholic church-nephilim Alex may be a christian but a very carnal man- know them by there fruits- and a man of true faith learns to control his tongue not just sounding off like a steroid enhanced Glen Beck at anyone who disagrees with him— Anyone questioning whether or not Alex is for real just check out how far his new year’s eve nuclear destruction is really happenig cenario- Y2K He though they Russians and rest of the world actually started firring off nukes and ranted and raved like a mad man– His info is very accurate I’m questioning his twisting of the facts to fit his own pre-conceived beliefs and agenda to thwart the truth- Saying you are not inciting violence and then getting the troops all riled up — never quoting the rest of the scriptures like the rue solution to WORLD GOV’t — Repent get on your knees seek the Lord in earnesty and He will restore your land– We have surrendered our freedoms to the Babylon Mamon system only True repentance can fix that now- Ye must be born-again of THE HOLY SPIRIT through faith in His Ultimate Sacrifice of Grace. SO do the Catholics, Protestants, Atheist and JEWS AND ARABS. their is a world government
right now but soon the lawless one will be revealed . But before this can happen the RESTRAINER ( HOLY SPIRIT) and all whom HE has sealed until the day of redemption— not the day of Judgement there is a seperation in time there – examples of God’s raptur and/or keeping people save during his wrath being poured out on the wicked Noah’ Flood God was in the ARK with them so you can sy they went through the wrath but completely uneffected by it no fear cause God was in control, Elijah – Chariot of fire raptur – the man that never died. Then there are may other example like the fiery furnace – shadrack mischak and abbendigo and the FOURTH PERSON IN THE FIRE— So I say to you — in every instance god either raptured folks or stood directly in the Fiery Furnace with them. In any case God also protected and likely kept Steven in a euphoric rapture state when he was being stoned to death, looked up and saw the saints and Heaven in it’s glory as recorded by scriptur
goodseed Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
This is what the bible actually says about the “rapture.”
http://www.thegoodseed.com/rapture.htm
dan from ohio Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 am
sorry but it is true.Try reading and understanding the bible from the Jewish standpoint,after all Jesus was Jewish and taught his people.Try reading the traditions of the ancient Jewish Wedding ceremony to see the Rapture is true….
appy Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
Savedman,
Save it, man.
CTLovesNathanHale Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 2:18 pm
If “savedman” was a real Christian, he wouldn’t be out for the blood of those who disagree — rot in hell, “savedman”!
BR549 Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I agree. I respect the bible (and the Quran) for the wonderful works that they are and what they represent, but at least I have enough to tell the difference between what the bible was trying to tell us versus the idiosyncratic interpretations of the myriad cults and sects that can’t seem to find any common ground. The fire is blazing away and the brimstone is starting to get a bit malodorous.
illwills Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 am
all you humans get together and think for a sec…if we are being sold up a river in the modern technological era…dont u think fewer groups of scattered human ancient societies may have been duped also?????????????
then why do u still hold on to the beliefs of the once duped?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
our time is now!! we collectively basicallu know what right and wrong is by now…
and war is wrong!!!!!! no!!!!????
lets get passionate and throw compassion into it, ,,,let us together recognize the dirtiness, selfishness, greediness, egotistical arrogance inside us individually first and and then, as we were, continue to expose this “TYRANNICAL WORLD GOVERNING INBRED BLOODLINE CORPRATOCRACY USING US TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD FOR THEM FILTH” “! together!, focus on the now !! its all we have to work with!!! we can learn from the past, but must work in the now!
we are ‘”grounding in” the real message of change.
it is here….not in the future while we wait around for it.
the time is now.
spread info.
you and i are the
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Haha!
charlie brown Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Savedman
The so called “rapture” occurs towards the reign of the antichrist, at least that’s how it in my bible. It will be for the remnant that survive whatever nonsense occurs during those times.
Many, many people in times past have looked about them and seen what they were convinced was the unfolding of Revelation. Empires rise and empires fall, “ours” will be no different.
Eric Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
It is NOT the Rapture of the church! It is the Rapture of the saints. There are saved people outside the church, and lost people inside the church.
You are correct in saying the Catholics are not the true church.
The scriptural, new Testament Baptist church is the one founded by Jesus Christ himself and the only true church there is or ever will be.
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pm
The Church is the inorganic body of the Lord Jesus Christ of which we become members by faith alone in The Lord Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church,
and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
True, the Lord Jesus is coming for the saints who make up the church of Matthew 16:18. The true church is Christ’ body, not members of the local church organization. There are a lot of lost sinners on the church records, but there name isn’t written in heaven. They have been baptized in water but not by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13). There recieve communion but are not JOINED to the Lord (1 Corinthians 6:17).
By the way, if I wasn’t a an Independent King James Bible believing Baptist, I would be ASHAMED!
BR549 Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 3:19 pm
I can’t possibly imagine that Jesus would have ever condemned someone for pursuing a parallel path to enlightenment. All roads lead to the top of the mountain and far be it for any of us to say that only one way is the right way.
The issue isn’t with people taking separate paths; it’s with those people in all parts of the world who still ignore that those paths have a purpose. So, when someone starts ranting about other people not being Christian or, even worse, not belonging to a particular sect of Christianity, I can just see Jesus rolling his eyes back and saying, “Is this all they learned in 2,000 years?”
gigi Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 5:12 pm
It doesn’t say anything about a rapture in 2 Thessolonians… where are you getting that from?
jerusalem Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm
This was a doctrine which was begun around 200 years ago by people who did not know how to understand bible prophecy, and put it all together in it’s prophetic time frames. The scriptures which they use to support their ”rapture” doctrine, are a portion of the gospel of the salvation of Jesus Christ, which is the resurrection of the dead in Christ. In written bible prophecy, there are actually only two comings of Jesus prophecied. The one when he was born of woman, and the one when he returns to rule the earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years. There are seven trumpets in the book of Revelation. His second and last coming occurs as the seventh trumpet sounds. This is also when the battle of Armegeddon occurs, and he takes the beast and the false prophet, and casts them into hades.
dan from ohio Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 am
try reading up on the ancient Jeish Wedding ceremony to see the Rapture,after all Jesus was Jewish and taught Jewish ideas….
sunday Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Hi,
Many paths lead to Rome, but only 1 leads to God, and that’s through Jesus Christ….
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. ”
Matthew 7:13-20
13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Luke 13:24-30
He said to them, 24″Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.”
1 Timothy 2:5-10
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
Hebrews 9:15
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Philippians 2:9-11
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
God Bless….
http://www.endtimestube.com
Reptilian Overlord Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Fool. Your Jesus god wasn’t a reptile, but a mere mortal. Your cult is a hoax. There will be no “Rapture”.
Now get back to work, you are behind on your quota.
Patrick Seamus Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are on their way as well. The Easter Bunny is on vacation, so we shouldn’t count on him.
A silly book and the cult that grew up around it will not save you, dips---. Only rational though and moral action will. Grow up and put the story book down. Or at least stop posting your childish rantings here. Or post more, I don’t really care as you are irrelevant.
Religions are all cults devised to divide us into sects.
dan from ohio Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 am
Religions do not save you ONLY a PERSONNAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ will save you,follow him not a religion,and yes HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD THE FATHER,all other roads are dead ends!No one can earn or work their way to Him by doing good deeds…
Mars Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 am
Where do you get this rapture s--- from? there is no easy path for anyone (not even the believers like myself) so you better get off your asses and fight the good fight… after all God only helps those who help themselves.
Jim Shores Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 7:41 am
Rompuy will be a good global leader…
YOU MOTHERf---ERS!!!
Beavis Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Not as good as you Jim….Be Prepared, Lock and load…
BR549 Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
No Beavis, just hand Jim the 55 gallon drum of Vaseline.
savedman Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Hell from beneath is opening her mouth to swallow up your wicked soul sinner.
In hell you can curse your father the devil throughout eternity.
Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Jan Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Well now, aren’t you the smart one there?
kebcreation Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am
As a rule of human beings there are two options of Allegiance and neither belong to any of the human governments we see before us. The choice or free will is up to each of us to decide which of the two is our Master. Whether ruled by one government or many that is the bottom line. The NWO is scary because the Master behind it so get on the right side because I think you are right the NWO is already here.
will Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
well put bro — I say fight world gov’t through voice, vote and much earnest prayer and repentance — To all who fight- press on to the end. Some day soon the listeners of show’s like this one who have no discernment will be chanting of with their heads again like france , christians and ’sympathizers’ and real patriots like Germany’s yellow stars and the Jesuit OAth of murderous blood thirsty luciferians or all communist/fascist countries have done in their past pre-mid-post the rapture happens for the inorganic body of bible beleiving born-again blood bought christians
But that’s allright I am ready to lay my life down for the salvation of one more person. I will not fight the flesh and blood but the dark spiritual forces in this wicked shadow of a fallen world god bless ya’ll
emerson cardoso Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:12 am
Hi guys, I will urge everyone to come to help set the truth in the bilderberg wikipedia article, which some vigilants try to kidnap and exclude any real information.
I had in the past added the 2009 bilderberg meeting page with loads of important and reliable information,. The page was then deleted using the pretext it was relevant!! Can you imagine that?
More info about this here:
http://bigbrother-uk-1984.blog.....pedia.html
Now I have been putting together some reliable sources about the new EU president having attended a bilderberg dinner last week and the statement of the Italian minister.
The last was excluded under the excuse that youtube alone wasn’t a reliable source. I then added 2 new sources, from a italian and a dutch newssite.
Please help me in keeping this information available in wikipedia, as without doubt those disinfo vigilants will try to remove it at any cost. Check the discussion page as well to ask for bringing back the 2009 page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
SBD Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 am
What?
Why is this ridiculous religious discussion attached to my post?
It’s totally irrelevant to what I wrote!
@savedman in the first reaction to my post!
Your reply was totally irrelevant to my post and just the ramblings of a religious nutter!
Just write you’re own reaction to the article and not just randomly attach your reactions to someone else’s writings!
You wrote at the end:
“Prepare to meet thy God! Repent and Receive The Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.”
That’s your New World Order? Accept my God or die?
You should go door to door and deliver that message to people right in their face…you wouldn’t last ten doors. Especially when you are so unfortunate to knock on my door!
CETV Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
The new world order eh?
Im talking about a SPIRITUAL REVOLUTION… something this entire planet has never seen before. Its time to break the walls within our minds, and spirits and unleash the love and power within each and everyone of us… these are all just pieces to the puzzle.
If youve ever questioned RELIGION, POLITICS, SOCIETY, LAW, AUTHORITY, LIFE, LOVE, WORK… then you will want to check out http://www.collective-evolution.com
NEW WEBSITE > http://www.collective-evolution.com
NEW CETV VIDEO : Wake up to what is happening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8LalL9IBDg
ONE LOVE
BUD DUKES Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
sounds like your having a good dream .but thats about all it is , A DREAM. do to the fact most poeple are very buisy having to much fun stealing there neigbors energy . BUT WE OF THE MANCHILD CARRY THE HOPE OF THE WORLD AND WILL RULE THE NEW AGE TO COME ,WHEN MAN WILL GET UP AND WALK WITH GOD .But im sorry only 1/3rd will survive the natural earth changes to be able to go thru Gods purifying period just befor the new world is born
November 21st, 2009 at 5:54 am
These dumb pigs.
Think we believe the bullsh*t?
Hmm, like someone accidentally over watered the lawn one day and it died.
Who was holding the hose?
Who turned on the faucet?
Who wrote up the reports?
Eat my sh*t you pathetic scumbag liars. Nothing but lies, deceit, manipulation, dishonesty, greed, secrecy, covertness, and all words of that nature.
You people are pushing for us to turn our backs on you forever.
Think Free.
Join the world freeman society and tell these bone heads to f*ck off.
Beavis Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Pure Shakespeare..joy!
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Your insightful and well-reasoned comments contain a few extraneous characters. In particular the ‘*’ makes a repeated appearance. Do you by any chance have a mental deficiency?
Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:43 pm
The use of ‘*’ is a form of self censorship of swear words that are posted on a public forum to make it more polite.Its a bit like bleep.
Its not indicative of being mentally deficient.
It was a good comment as well but i can tell you didnt like it very much.
I dont tend to bother myself.
Eric Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
United we stand, you lost me… what are you talking about? who are the liars? us? them? ??.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:00 am
Dutch “news”paper “De Volkkrant”,a paper formerly known as left from the middle, reported on a meeting of Rompuy with the Bilderburgers.
Called it a “closed meeting” without mentioning the word Bilderberg
This is the “quality” of the “news” here.
Shame on them.
Another “news” paper I will avoid like the plague from now on.
Beavis Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Probably closed because they were to busy f---ing each other up the arse…
November 21st, 2009 at 6:32 am
New Orleans artist/musician TONY GREEN (in conjunction with DAVID DEES) walks you through an exhibition of his most recent etchings & watercolors at the Academy Gallery in New Orleans in April 2009 that deal with the criminal & psychopathic agenda of the NEW WORLD ORDER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219np-8lkmk
November 21st, 2009 at 7:12 am
f--- you spammer.
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Do you really wish to fornicate with Tony Green?
November 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
2012 will be the last year of global governance. Enjoy it while it lasts.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
the dutch can suck my filthy ass.
subzero Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:21 am
Van Rompuy is not Dutch, He’s Belgian and speaks dutch. The president of the EU has not a single meaning. It’s nothing compared to the presidency of the USA. His presidency will change nothing to what the EU is, he is only a PR guy. This does not mean I agree with all of this, the EU has only costed me money.
yo Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
yep its nothing like the U.S president.
you can almost compare it to the president of germany YES THAT GUY DOES EXIST GERMANY HAS A PRESIDENT NOT ONLY A PRIME MINISTER
lots of people dont even know it simply because that guy doenst have any power whatsoever
and the same will happen with van rompuy. he doenst have a say at all. he just is there for show… and will be the voice for all the stuff the other nations tell him to throw out there..
Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:18 pm
He will be a voice for what Bilderberg or the controllers of the EUSSR tell him to do or say.
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Why would we want to suck your filthy ass? Please explain.
shocked and awed Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Just for something to do while you wait for the canals to freeze over and the whole population can go ice skate to the point of exhaustion and then drink lots of hot cocoa.
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Not really convincing. I gracefully decline.
SBD Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 am
And here you are still wondering why nobody loves you.
Not even your own mother…
Sad, really sad…
November 21st, 2009 at 7:49 am
Hail to der Feuhrer!!!!!
Is President not the name used for a leader of a free and democratic society?
When were the elections in Europe? I must have missed that on the news.
I guess since he was appointed, he must be a Dictator of some kind now.
Reader in UK Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:03 am
In case anyone is unsure I will tell them that there where no elections for this presidency. Even the treaty that set up this position was not voted on in many parts of Europe. In Ireland there was a vote which rejected the treaty. So they reran the election about a year later in order to secure the right result. Each day that passes tells us that Alex does indeed have foresight and that what he fears is coming to pass.
subzero Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:25 am
Ireland however got more attention than Holland where the situation was worse. In Ireland the people at least got a second chance to vote. In holland. The people voted against it, and the government decided that the people were too dumb, and decided to accept it anyway, even if the people voted against it.
kebcreation Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 11:04 am
Voting is a front to make the people think they have a choice. If America is to be saved it won’t be by the voters but by the Patriots who may or may not vote. They haven’t had an honest presidential candidate in a long time. They all claim to be honest then get elected and through the years they have turned our Congress into the 2/3 majority shills they needed. That is what we see now and what needs to change to save this country at all.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:20 am
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 7:40 am
He is highly mistaken, the global governance will begin after the true Church (Not Catholic) of the Lord Jesus Christ is Raptured from this earth to heaven. Then the antichrist will be revealed and take his office as the king of the world. You have God’s Word on it!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You, and other “Rapture” christians are brainwashed too. THERE IS NO RAPTURE!!!! The word rapture is NOWHERE in the bible, NOWHERE!!! The word is transconfiguration.
Evil can not stand in the presence of GOD, so when he does return, All evil will die. Thus there is No reason for the good guys to be taken.
http://www.gnmagazine.org/wnp/.....ctrine.htm
some reading for you, instead of listening to you brainwashed preachers. try doing a little research yourself. take everything you are taught and compare it to scripture, if you can’t then it is false doctrine.
Eric Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
the word ‘rapture’ not appear in the Bible, that’s true, but the concept does. The Bible teaches that we will “be caught up to meet the Lord IN THE AIR” (my emphasis) This can only be interpreted literally.
When we disappear, the Satanic world leadership will have a pre-prepared explanation about how the world is better off without us bigoted Christians.
The Bible also teaches that ’strong delusion’ will fall on those who have heard the Gospel but rejected it, making it impossible for those people to be saved after the Rapture (this is the problem with the “Left Behind” series, no salvation after the Rapture for those who have already heard.) So Savedman is correct, you need to be saved TODAY!
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Thank you Eric, you saved me the trouble.
You sound like you have been made free from sin and death by the New Birth.
Praise the Lord brother, it won’t be long until the trumpet sounds, and we meet our Lord Jesus in the air-1 Thesallonians 4:13 ¶But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
All of these filthy reprobates on this site will be left to serve the one they are serving now, only he will be in flesh.
Eric Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Amen! Born again, Blood washed saint! and a member of Bible Baptist Church in Grand Forks, North Dakota!
Yes, I suspect we will meet soon! Good to hear from a brother in the Lord!
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Hahaha!
savedman Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 am
Eric,
These poor deceived lost people whose hearts are blinded by the devil prove that we are in the last days, even seconds before the “catching up” (1 Thesallonians 4) of tthe body of Christ. 2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,John 14:1 ¶Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 ¶And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
should shine unto them.
Glory to The Lamb of God-The Lord Jesus Christ!
I praise His Holy and Reverend Name (Psalm111:9), it’s Sunday the Lord’s Day, let us go to our Bible Preaching Church and Worship Him.
Soon our God The Lord Jesus Christ will come just like He promised.-
mike Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
fool, look in the word, the Lord comes back at the “LAST” trump,and we must endure to the end and will go through trib, wake up
savedman Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
Mike,
The “LAST” trump of 1 Corinthians IS NOT THE seventh trumpet of Revelation.
When you and all scripture PERVERTS make the “LAST” trump (not trumpet) of 1 Corinthians 15, you place the church in the tribulation with Israel waiting for the SEVENTH TRUMPET to sound.
“TRUMP” and “TRUMPET” aren’t the same.
“He that hath ears to hear let him hear.”
If you can’t “HEAR” this truth, you are either a bottle sucking carnal Corinthian, or you have never been given spiritual ears by the New Birth. Which is it-REPLY!
November 21st, 2009 at 8:20 am
Before all this goes down their will be a massive stock market crash. If u think about it many nations will not want to give up their power and will resist. the only way to drive them to their knees is to bankrupt them. then their peoples will revolt sending their nations into turmoil, leaving the Governments at the mercy of the Elites. then they can take over those resistant nations. they will try to HAIL the New World order as the only answer for mankinds woes, promising health care peace and security. they will more than likely require us all to get Chips in our hands or on our heads. Those chips are described in the bible, that whosoever wants to buy or to sell must recieve the Mark of the beast. How long that will occur is unknown, but the bible describes it as a time of endurance, indicating at least a short time of endurance for the faithful onesnot to recieve the chip. Incidentlly i have heard this but cant prove it, but i have heard that their is a supercomputer on the east coast USA , that bears the number 666. It is powerful enough to monitor all 8 billion people on the earth, from their grocieries to purchases everywhere. Please correct me if im wrong on that one. Or if u have more info please pass it on. They will then be directed to wipe out all religions on the earth, citing religions as a Threat to peace and security, because of past examples of wars, particualllary the middle ages, where religious wars were fought. My advice is to get a Bible of ur choice and read it and hang on its gonna get bumpy from here.
savedman Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 am
My advise that will prepare you to meet God, is to get the Monarch of Bibles-The Authorized King James Bible 1611, and ransack its pages before the True and Living God Jesus Christ. Repent of your sin of unbelief and Receive the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour. Then my friend, you will by-pass the Time of Jacob’s Trouble (Jeremiah 30:7). The Tribulation will not enter until the true Church is “caught up to meet the Lord in the air.” 1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 ¶Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,2 Thessalonians 2:3 ¶Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
My friend if you miss the “catching up” of the Body of Christ you will be damned-
November 21st, 2009 at 8:23 am
now they can do this with the global gov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmvCFd866R8
November 21st, 2009 at 9:11 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20.....mmittreaty
Visit this page and buzz it upwards so it gets to the yahoo mainpage.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:17 am
Thank you Consfearacy for speaking the truth. Saved man unfortunately still believes the “rapture lie.” I was raised in the church… and whole-heartedly believe the bible. I was taught more about the “secret rapture” than just about anything else. As I got older and started reading the bible for myself and asking questions…..I realized that the whole concept of “rapture” is a load of crap. Not only is it non scriptural…..it simply does not fit the pattern. Ist century Christians sold all their possessions and gave to the poor. They lived their whole lives devoted to spreading the word. Upper-middle class (church going) America lives nothing like they did. First century Christians ended up crucified upside down, boiled alive, and stoned. What a wonderful fantasy for the escapists. We live as we will…….and then escape all the fun.
Contemporary Christians cannot even get the concept that you dress down to go to church in order to make the poor feel comfortable. God wants our HUMILITY. That’s OUR BEST. Yet they continue to make church into a fashion show. They also still preach some sort of a “great revival” prior to Jesus’ return, when in fact…the scriptures are very clear that there will be “a great falling away” just before Jesus returns.
Bottom line………… organized religion has not altered their lifestyle to fit scripture……They have altered their RELIGION to fit their culture. They have sold out and become big business.
I know this is gonna sound cheesy…..but for anyone that wants to learn about Christianity in a very different light than what you will hear in a church building…..Read the ANTIPAS PAPERS….and read them in order as presented. The free book can be found on the left of the website. Do not try to jump around. The bible is a LIFELONG STUDY. It makes sense when presented properly……..Dare to take a chance…
http://antipasministries.com The writer is fallible and very human…….. However….I believe he is a TRUE TEACHER……….
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 2:06 pm
in-seine,
I simply used the word “Rapture” to convey the truth of the True Church meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air. Now if you don’t believe God’s Word-The Authorized King James Bible 1611, you can’t be taught a thing. But when you die lost in your sin, you will become a believer, there are no unbelievers in hell right now. They are all praying to God for one drop of water (Luke16). The Lord Jesus Christ is coming for His saints, we will meet Him in the air-1 Thesallonians 4:13 ¶But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Christ appears in the air for that event, then there will we 7 years of “Jacob’s Trouble” (Jer.30:7), which is Daniel’s 70th week (Daniel 9). At the end of those 7 years, Jesus Christ comes all the way to earth with the saints that He removed before the Tribulation. Jude 14. The Second Coming of Christ has 2 stages- Rapture and 7 years later the Revelation after the judgments of Revelation ch.6-19.
The problem here, is the natural man cannot recieve spiritual things. 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
You need to examine your heart friend and see if you are saved by the grace of God.
You can be wrong on doctrine, just make sure your name is written in heaven.
in-seine Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Ok…first of all…….this is gonna be my last post on the subject for this thread. I realize that there are Jews, Muslims, agnostics, athiests, and others on this site. It is (for the most part) a political site……..and I do not plan to offend by bantering too long with another Christian. Not one single unbeliever is going to consider what we have to say if we get into a “pissin contest.” Years ago I learned to not trust everything that the government has to say. About the same time, I learned to not believe everything my doctor has to say or that my pastor has to say. If we in fact believe that our government has been infiltrated by the elite……and if we see that most doctors tow “the company line” by trying to get us all vaccinated with poison…..it seems perfectly logical to me that one would make an attempt (as the bible commands) to rightly divide the “word.” That includes rightly dividing the word as it is SPUN by contemporary theologians.
Now, what really bothers me is that you insinuate that if I were right with God that I would get on the bandwagon and say that Jesus returns two and a half times..ie the two part 2nd coming. If I believed just like you, you NEVER would have insinuated that I need to check my own salvation. I believe that Jesus is the son of God. That he was born of a virgin…that he died on the cross…and that he rose again. I DO NOT however believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. The scripture does not support that idea.
The spin-doctors on the boob-tube like to throw around the idea that if folks don’t just perfectly agree with what they are saying….that the dissenters must be “terrorists” or something worse. You stated that I could be taught nothing if I didn’t believe……..Then you implied that if I didn’t believe as you, that I should check my salvation. I hope that you do realize that disagreements about rapture doctrine have nothing to do with salvation. However, the insinuation that I need to check my salvation was duly noted.
The ENTIRE premise of Christianity is that the Jews missed the messiah, because they INSISTED that he come in the form of an earthly king. The Pharisees taught that he would come as an earthly king….not the Old testament. Christians believe that he came in the form of a carpenter. How ironic….and true to God’s pattern would it be if the opposite occurred in the last days? Today’s church is so adamant to see a pre-tribulation rapture that they may very well get one.
Read a little bit about “project blue-beam.” If the government in fact has the technology to vaporize or “disappear” folks at the same moment that they broadcast a hologram of the anti-christ…the church would have what they want……a “rapture.” and they are VERY likely to believe any message that comes from a hologram …particularly when paired with a rapture…..even if it is a fake one put on by the NWO.
The pharisees were a very PROUD lot….God showed them…..they had the scripture, but not the love or the understanding……and according to Christian belief……..they missed the 1st coming. Today’s church is also a VERY PROUD lot…..and God is gonna show them too……… Careful what ya ask for……..be even more careful what ya demand…You may just get it.
I leave you with two scriptures:
Luke 16:8
The children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light
(my commentary) That means that they are trying to fight the NWO while you wait on a false rapture. They are heeding the warning..not you.
II Thessalonians 2:8-11
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(my commentary) I believe whole heartedly that the strong delusion is going be one massive sound and light show put on by the NWO…very possibly complete with a staged rapture. Jesus will return….but only after tribulation, the likes of which the world has never seen. My suggestion…make like Noah and prepare for the flood (metaphorically speaking of course)
Again…please check out antipasministries.com Mr. Shearer who runs the site used to work for a large company ( in several 3rd world countries) He later regretted the fact that he had been used by the system. This guy knows exactly what is going on politically and explains in detail how it relates to scripture….but you have to read the antipas papers as they are presented………
and with that I am done here……
dan from ohio Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 am
read up on the ancient Jewish Wedding ceremony for the Rapture.It will happen…
in-seine Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Well Dan in Ohio……
let me show you what Christian brotherhood is all about. When you don’t get “raptured” before the tribulation, and you have not stored any food etc. for the troublesome times ahead….and your family is freezing………Come on down here to Bama…… We will not turn you away…..
savedman Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
In-Seine,
You just don’t get it. Paul said, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.”
You are having difficulty discerning between the “APPEARING” for the Church (1 Thesallonians 4:13-18), and the “REVELATION” or unveiling of The Lord Jesus Christ at the end of the Tribulation for the rescue of Israel primarily, although many Gentiles who have never heard the gospel before the church is “caught up” will certainly be preached to by the 144,00 Jewish evangelists (Revelation 7).
The “LIE” of 2 Thesallonians 2 is clearly the antichrist professing to be the Lord Jesus Christ. The antichrist will have a deadly wound by a sword and “did live.” (Revelation 13). The antichrist will be resurrected from the dead after his death, and claim to have died for the sins of the world. Got it, I hope so. By the way, the antichrist is going to be an Assyrian Muslim, who will behead everyone that will not receive his mark (Isaiah 10; Revelation 20,13). Now, my friend, everybody that reads this is reading about the prophecy of the Last Days. They need to read God’s Word for: “Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” The devil wants to keep you and the rest from the truth of God’s Word. The Lord Jesus Christ is coming For His Church Age saints in the “catching up” of the Gentile Body of Christ, and He is coming With His saints at the end of the Tribulation for the rescue of Israel from the antichrist (Revelation 19:11-16) ¶And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
It’s never too late to “grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”-2Peter 3:18
in-seine Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
I apologize folks, but I just can not let this go.
No sir….I got it..loud and clear….
You are obviously not reading my posts for comprehension. I am a believer….. I have studied scripture AT LENGTH. I know all about the tribulation. I know all about the anti-christ.
Had you been able to FEEL anything at all….you would realize that I offered a place of refuge to someone (in the event that you are incorrect over a theological point.) That was a kind thing…..a Christian thing. All you are concerned with is DOGMA. You are not worried about Christian acts of kindness. You are not worried about anything except getting your point across.
You are acting like a modern day pharisee………..You got the scriptures down…….but then they did too.
As far as the anti-Christ being an Assyrian Muslim goes…… There is nothing even REMOTELY like that written in the bible.
You are quoting scripture in one sentence and then adding your own misguided beliefs in the next sentence.
The vast majority of Christians that I know who disagree with me on the timing of the rapture will simply concede….and state that if they are wrong……..God will provide…….and they will make it through the tribulation.
mike Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
wake up Church of God
savedman Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Ok in-seine,
Since you haven’t been taught the doctrine of the Antichrist, I will help you out. Seriously, I ask you to look up these references and ask God the Spirit, Who will guide us into all truth, whether this is truth or a lie. PLEASE!
The antichrist is ASSYRIAN by nationality. Pharaoh that “new not Joseph,” was Assyrian not Egyptian (Isaiah 52:4).
Sennacherib the Assyrian, who led Israel out of the land as captives, was a type of the antichrist (2Kings 18).
Sennacherib, as the king of Assyria, has a double application in Isaiah 10:5-27.
Verse 12 plainly addresses Satan (Isaiah 14) in the Assyrian
Verse 20 applies to the REMNANT of Israel in the Tribulation Period, who will “RETURN” unto the mighty God at the end of the Tribulation when their eyes are opened to their Messiah. Then Israel will fulfill Matthew 23:37-39-”Ye shall not me henceforth until ye shall say, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
That will be the end of Tribulation after 2/3 of Israel are killed by antichrist.
Verse 24 clearly states that the Assyrian “shall smite thee (Israel) with a rod “AFTER THE MANNER OF EGYPT.”-thus showing this prophecy looks forward to the last days.
Verse 27 states that “in that day” (2nd Coming of Christ), the “yoke” of the antichrist shall be destroyed by the appearance of Christ. also read Isaiah 11:10,11,12; 13:5,-11; 14:25
Micah 5:5-7
Now, the form of capital punishment for rejecting antichrist (his mark,number,or name Rev.13) will be BEHEADING (Revelation 20:4). What religion BEHEADS?
Now my friend, if you are a Christian (and you say you are), the Spirit of God can teach you this great truth. Otherwise 1 Corinthians 14:38 ”But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” I hope you don’t stay ignorant (Not Knowing).
November 21st, 2009 at 9:36 am
There’s no way I’ll be paying any tax direct to Brussels.
Theres gonna be riots in the streets over this!
November 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
JIM SHORES, thanks for your REVEALING outcry here because everyone who needs to use strong language as you do here, in order to underline his point, he instantly proves what a vision of his fellow men he has, he reveals his lack of respect, of dignity and lastly TRUTH. Its just like George W Bush needed 900 lies ( according to Supreme Court) to ” justify ” his ” Operation Infinite Justice” which so far has cost the lives of ONE MILLION INNOCENT people in Iraq according to the John Hopkins University.A real true cause needs not a single lie to be justified, thats simple and pure logic. I keep observing on youtube et al that those who have the least truth, the least moral justification and the least intelligence tend to be those who use evil, dirty and degrading language – theres nothing wrong with a good sware word here and there, mind you , AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MEANT TO HURT but thats not what YOU do, YOU use these words in order to insult decent and honestly worried and questioning people and this is a sign that YOUR ” cause ” is simply WRONG.So, thanks for making it so easy for me and others to see through you!
Jim Shores Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Wild Man can kiss my Texas ass…
YOU MOTHERf---ER!!!
November 21st, 2009 at 10:46 am
You can only stop them by force. Never in history of fascism, the system gave up itself by reason. Point.
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Who is ‘them’, and what is their relation to fascism? Please explain.
Jim Shores Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Go back to Switzerland…
YOU MOTHERf---ER!!!
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
How can I go back to Switzerland if I have never been there?
The salutation at the end of your posts seems to me to be a standard signature, probably intended for your friends and relatives. May I suggest you use a different salutation (perhaps one displaying some grain of wit)?
Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
@Han
“Them” refers to corrupt,autocratic/tyrannical regimes/dictatorships and govts that are typically either Fascist or Communist.
Hope this helps !
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:55 pm
You seem to imply that most governments are fascist or communist. As far as I know only the governments of Cuba and North Korea are generally considered communist, although neither seems to merit this label as both are merely autocratic.
Off the top of my head I would not know of any fascist government. Perhaps you, or rather Total Resistance, should choose the terms you use to describe governments more precisely. At nay rate, I fail to see the connection with the article.
Jim Shores Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Because you are an idiot…
YOU MOTHERf---ER!!!
Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Thats not what i said at all.I was referring specifically to specific types of political regimes that are either contemporary or historic.
The political regime in China is generally or loosely considered to be Communist and so is Russia.
Thats just two i can think of off the top of my head.
You could argue that the political regime in China is not strictly Communist because its regime supports the private sector instead of the state owning it and regulating it but you get my point anyway i hope.
If i want to be absolutely correct about the definition of the EU[SSR] then it can be described as Communitarianism.Communitarianism is reformed and repackaged Communism that has been repackaged in the form of Globalism and global/one world governance.Its is predominantly Collectivist in its outlook but like China it is very sympathetic and favorable to big business and the private sector rather than it all being state owned but given the fact that international bankers and globalist Elites own the political system anyway the point about private/state ownership is moot.
Also going by the correct definition of Fascism which is as you know the merger of govt and corporation/banking then i would say that presently the Obama administration is blatantly Fascist by definition.The only difference being the Obama regime doesnt doesnt discriminate against race as in minorities but it does discriminate against Whites and Christians so by that fact they are Fascist.
Global Governance and citzenship is unquestionably Collectivism and all Collectivist political systems have a centralised monolithic unelected govt that rules by Dictats and regulation.
The truth of the matter is that the US and the EU are both Communist and Fascist because they are both Communitarian political regimes.
THe NWO is Communitarianism.
Communitarianism is the “Third Way”
I hope that my definitions are precise enough but you can easily verify what i am saying yourself.
I also hope that this explains the connection with the article and the comments.
Hugh Jass Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Han, you crack me up!! Keep irritating these idiots. I love it!
November 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am
For those of us living in the UK and who have been denied the opportunity to vote on our EU membership at least since the 1975 vote on EEC membership we need to vent our anger and show the 2 main parties that there backtracking on referendums were a big mistake.
The following article also looks at whether protest votes are wasted or not in the context of the upcoming UK general election which all polls suggest the conservative party will win.
With small parties winning numerous seats lately at local election and european level there is a good chance to affect the policy of the winning party by proxy through showing support for a smaller party. The UKIP party is going to be putting candidates up at every seat in the next election so every1 will have a chance to voice their opinion on the railroading of our country into the EU superstate that no1 apart from the leaders want.
http://www.darkpolitricks.com/.....ted-votes/
November 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
“2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.” – Herman Van Rompuy
Another step towards the global management of our planet?????
WTF. The people of this planet did not elect this son of a bitch. The “president” of the EU can call for world goverance and global management of our planet, but if you point this out the mainstream media calls you a dangerous conspiracy theorist. It will be a cold day in hell when Herman Van Hitler Rompuy manages my life.
Han Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
As soon as Hitler enters an argument, reason leaves the room.
Why do you call him ‘a son of a bitch’? Have you ever met him in person, or are you familiar with his character and accomplishments?
You life is managed by transnational institutions in many ways. Your tax money probably contributes to the budgets of many of these organizations. Is it cold in Hell?
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Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Does that mean you can get paid for typing s--- like Han ?
shocked and awed Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Sure!!! But you’ll also have to stuff envelopes, assemble toys at home and sell ‘Grit’ before they’ll pay you.
Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Mainstream media label you a “Dangerous conspiracy theorist” because its a kind of reverse psychology or reverse/Newspeak which since they are all Communists its all very typical.
Its a product of perverse and twisted minds and logic.
On the face of it there isnt much else they can do.
Jim Shores Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Han is a con artist who writes nonsense for a few posts, before hitting us with his spam. Go f--- yourself…
YOU MOTHERf---ER!!!
November 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
So much for conspiracy theories — this couldn’t be more plain any longer as to what the agenda is and how the bankers of the world and their royalist family leash holders are the enemies of all , but most especially Americans, most of whom still understand what real Freedom entails. We must fight this global Hegemony and win.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
the day is finally here! we now have a president of the eu. one person leading an entire continent. but the sheep don’t need to worry… there’s no such thing as a plan for global government. just listen to this quote from the new president of the continent of europe:
“2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.”
oh wait a minute, i guess there IS a plan for global government! but, the media says that anyone who believes in a new world order is a “nutjob”. so who should i believe? the president of europe, or glenn beck?
WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO PEOPLE NEED? SERIOUSLY!!!!
November 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
new currencys of new world order…..
gold is the money for kings….
silver is the money for the rich….
barter is the money for the peasents….
& DEBT is the money for the slaves……..
time for the slaves to smash the chains that bind them????
November 21st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
This web site has really gone to s--- with its articles
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
And you my friend need to get right with God.
Repent and Receive God’s only remedy for your old sin filled heart, the Lord Jesus Christ.
pete Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 am
Please keep your god damn religion to yourself
dan from ohio Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 am
its not a religion that will save you my friend,it is only A PERSONNAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST,that will.Jesus himself said,”If you do not believe that I AM,you shall die in your sins”..
mike Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
freedom of speech athiest viper
savedman Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
You my sinner friend, will rue the day you spoke those words!
The Lord Jesus Christ died even for a wretch like yourself. Can you believe that?
November 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Van Rompuy, he is nothing but a delusional elite guy. EU President will not govern anybody even inside the EU. BTW, I thought Europe is being ruled by the Great King of Horror of Nostradamus since the famous 1999! lol
November 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
COME ON MAN ~ playing the devils advocate, and something that is disturbing for sure :
How is any normal American individual going to believe that the leaders themselves are in on some conspiracy plan, little loan go home or out to tell this to their neighbors ?
The question is, of course, rhetorical and one much asked. It’s hard you know. I just wanted to vent…
November 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
The anti-christ is here.
Mama J Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 5:38 pm
And Dr. Manning claims Barrack ‘the long legged mac daddy’ Obama is the Anti Christ! Check out this video of preacher Manning. That poor man is being watched by homeland security!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Show your support, he’s fighting NWO and needs support! http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=1316
November 21st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
This man’s words is no different then those young kids who were sent to drive behind me.
No different than all of those three-point-turns in front of me.
Empty and meaningless.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Ha-ha-ha. “Global governance”
The Universe already has a government.
I run it.
Winyan Staz Wakien Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:47 am
well you are doing a piss poor job…just look at this mess!
You need to work on your creations young man! And while your at it…
go clean up your planet!
love
mother earth…
November 21st, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Stop buying products made in China. Only buy American products.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Just f---ing try to tax me and send my hard earned money to “Brussels”! Any type of world tax that Rompuy lays on me for breathing and farting I stick my middle finger up at. Send my tax money to Brussels….Pfff. The only thing I know with that spelling is brussels sprouts, and I hate the sons of bitchs.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:27 pm
The UN is a communist organization.
And the UN was conceived by Communists, was founded by Communists and always has been run by Communists for Communist purposes. This would eventually mean the complete Communist subjugation of the United States.
UN means world dictatorship. Bush put the United States back into UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, which the United States quit many years ago.
UNESCO was flooding the nation’s schools with Communist world government propaganda. That was one of its main purposes. See the UN series entitled Toward World Understanding.
Along these lines, UNICEF, the UN Children’s Fund, has recently been pushing child sex with homosexuals and with animals. In South Africa, a UNICEF outfit called LoveLife promotes sodomy and abortion. Would the victims of such programs be black?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:36 pm
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–FROM CIA MK/ULTRA HQ–
–THOSE WITH ICKE VIBRATION PROGRAMMING–
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-http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics12/Espira-1/images/David_Icke_is_your_friend.jpg
Peter Wolf Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Your link is rubbish.
Also the Church Of The Subgenius is repository for degenerates and dropouts and Flakes.
Waste of space.
f--- Off.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Over many years we have all been lied to by our Governments… But not just our Governments but many religous leaders. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false prophets. If you are a truth seeker please visit the following web site and take the time to read some of the articles… You will be shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
http://www.2besaved.com
Blessings as you seek truth
Ben
November 21st, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Well Then..
It didn’t take this turkey very long to join the line
of screwballs declaring themselves in some way
‘King of Da Woild!
He who the Gods would destroy..
John
November 21st, 2009 at 5:34 pm
My best advice is to go to newspring.cc. You will laugh and learn more from there than anywhere else ! BROWSE their VIDEOS
November 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pm
savedman Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 2:06 pm
in-seine,
I simply used the word “Rapture” to convey the truth of the True Church meeting the Lord Jesus Christ in the air. Now if you don’t believe God’s Word-The Authorized King James Bible 1611, you can’t be taught a thing. But when you die lost in your sin, you will become a believer, there are no unbelievers in hell right now.
If you are going to use words in reference, may I suggest using the proper ones. If you do not then you will only confuse, mislead and or reaffirm the wrong belief systems of the christians of today that have been mindlessly brainwashed into buying their way into heaven, while sitting in their cozy clubhouse church pews.
This is why I do not attend ANY church. they have become clubhouses for wealthy to meet and show off their new Lexus, new diamonds, and stuff their faces. not to mention, exploiting young girls sexuality allowing them to prance around in bikinis to promote a fund raising car wash for the church. and lets talk about gambling, church sponsored casino trips, Friday night bingo. I have 32 tattoos, and 3 Associate’s degrees from a seminary school.
yet every time I step into a church I am shunned because of my tattoos, I am stereotyped as no good, I have yet to meet but a hand full that look me in the eyes while speaking to me for the 1st time in church. most are scanning my arms, neck, etc and coming to the pre determined conclusion that I am not worthy of their love, grace, or fellowship.
And one more thing. you may say whatever you wish, but I am here to tell you all now, that when that day comes. being a catholic, baptist, methodist, penticostal, menonite, amish, what ever you claim to be isn’t going to mean s---. You all can’t be right, and that will be a dreadful day for many of you. your traditions will send you to hell faster than anything else.
John Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I heard she was non-denominational.
Hope so, save throwing away a lot of good people.
Unless you take it upon yourself to do ‘gods work’
with something pointy, you will probably be OK.
Be nice to each other, have empathy, do the best you can.
If that is not enough, I for one am screwed!
John
in-seine Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 am
I will no longer go back and forth with saved man…..but I will say one final thing to you. You are 110% right…….. Years back, I watched in shock as congregation members mumbled about a young girl who was pregnant out of wedlock. She made a mistake…….then did the right thing…… The church treated her like a DOG! Meanwhile, a pair that I grew up, with had an abortion. Obviously, they got zero problems from the congregation because no one knew.
As far as gambling goes………..insurance is by definition a gamble…………..You put coins in a slot………and you may or may not get a payoff. Common folks get that, but the organized church never will. We all realize that the whole concept is a scam….that we are basically forced into…if we want to drive and earn a living.
The organized church will also never get the fact that if they invest in a company that runs sweat shops in Central America…………THEY RUN SWEAT SHOPS IN CENTRAL AMERICA. Our justice system claims that if you buy stolen property…you are guilty of a crime. Likewise…..if you invest in a company that commits a crime…you are culpable…period! Somehow…many folks within the church believe that you can just collect dividends with no problem. As long as Mr. Smith is not sleeping with the organist or her husband…he is OK!
Funny thing…… with today’s church…..You can talk about sex all day long….They are REAL interested in who is sleeping with who………….but discussions about the wallet are taboo. They have no problem at all with Mr. Smith paying his mortgage using dividends that come from IBM (the punch-card makers for the holocaust). It’s bizarre. Fascinating (as I have degrees in psychology and sociology) but bizarre and sickening at the same time.
A few years back, I spoke at length with a pentecostal minister. He overtly agreed with everything I had to say. He argued zero of it……but he told me that it was TOO much for the congregation to deal with. It was meat….while they are supposedly still on the bottle. What he meant was……..they can’t pay for the building without Mr. Smith adding to the plate every week.
There is simply too much for a pastor to lose if they preach things the way they aught to be preached. They will lose 3/4 of the congregation and their money. They will lose their denominational affiliation. If they get REALLY POLITICAL (outside the allowed anti-gay anti-abortion rhetoric), they will have the IRS on top of them, because they will lose their Religious tax status.
All we can really do is post…and hopefully let a few folks know that what they see in the buildings is not what it is really all about.
Find us a truly Christian based forum and we can talk at length…… I gotta stop…this is a political forum……..
Russ
in-seine Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 am
The above was for Confearasy…I think I tacked it on to John!
November 21st, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Ant to Chris Geo, AWESOME CD!! got it today in the mail. already ripped a copy for my 16 yr old son and my wife. the personalized note on the CD was a nice touch. TY.
Keep up the good fight. Looking forward the the next one.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:03 pm
And people still call you a tin foil hatter if you mention the New World Order.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:16 pm
this guy likes little kids. maybe he was one of guys behind the Dutroux case.
here is the link. http://www.isgp.eu/
November 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pm
TEST INC. I am going to go to a local church soon and will take a cam with me… one week I shall wear a super duper pro America T Shirt, next Sunday I will wear and 9ll Truth shirt. lets see what happens, shall we?
John Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I humbly await word of your findings.
If they have torches and pitchforks
I think you may reasonably consider that a bad sign (RUN!
John
John Reply:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Then if you really want to die (sooner)
make a tea shirt that says (What if God was a Girl?
This time you may need more than a good pair of running shoes!
I have no special insight and am actually respectful re what put this here
I have designed a few things, and this is nothing to sneeze at, trust me!
But the angry monkeys shaking sticks at each other (for god sake)
well, that really sucks. WorkShop not Worship! Get off your knees!
We create stuff too, that does not place us in competition with the creator.
What sort of nasty bugger would set us loose on the landscape
only to wish us to screw the pooch.
I think the creator (whatever that was / is) would know better.
John
November 21st, 2009 at 8:09 pm
i love it how all these scum bags use “hope” in their speeches. “NWO, 1 world government, pop. reduction, carbon tax, hope.”
November 21st, 2009 at 8:24 pm
There is no hope in man – man’s only hope is our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
If consfearacy above wore a “JESUS CHRIST is the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the FATHER but by me” shirt – he’d get beat up!
The NWO hates the thought of JESUS CHRIST being GOD, not they!
November 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm
The UN is a communist organization.
The UN was conceived by Communists, was founded by Communists and always has been run by Communists for Communist purposes. This would eventually mean the complete Communist subjugation of the United States.
UN means world dictatorship. Bush put the United States back into UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, which the United States quit many years ago.
UNESCO was flooding the nation’s schools with Communist world government propaganda. That was one of its main purposes. See the UN series entitled Toward World Understanding.
Along these lines, UNICEF, the UN Children’s Fund, has recently been pushing child sex with homosexuals and with animals. In South Africa, a UNICEF outfit called LoveLife promotes sodomy and abortion. Would the victims of such programs be black?
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 am
It is with great saddness that I have to break the news to you.
We all got to raise our consciousness and were taken out of our bodies and shown many wonderful things…and the word rapture doesnt even begin to discribe it…it was totally awesome!!
The Rapture was in 1983 and it was wonderful
I am so sorry you were not able to be raptured..however we are all back here now and are trying to help you wake your sorry ass up
You’ve been lied to and played. Wake up.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 am
What I find interesting is that although you Yanks are buying lots of weapons, no one has actually gone after the bankers and politicians…YET. I do so much wish that some one will finally lead the charge and take action against these people. My question is this: Who will be the first hero?
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 am
Guys…WHO SAYS THE BIBLE IS REAL?
WHO WROTE IT??
ITS A BUNCH OF BULLs--- TO KEEP US DIVIDED…
DEMOCRATS / REPUBLICANS
BLACKS/ WHITES
UGLY/PRETTY
RELIGOUS/NON RELIGOUS/JEW/CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC/MUSLIM
FAT/THIN
DIVIDE AND CONQUER AND THEY ARE SUCEEDING…
YOU TELL ME WHO SAYS THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER RELIGOUS TEXT IS LEGITMATE, EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS A LIE,
PERIOD.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 am
The reality is that it is not the true first year of global governance,there has always been a hidden shadow government with the agenda being to introduce and slowly reveal over time the institutions and structure that make up this entity through the process of demoralizing the people of the world and social engineering,it is so in your face but the average person just does not get it or understand it especially as they see what is happening as random.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 am
@ peter wolf
agree fully,communitarianism is the new look communism indeed via the enviromental movement.Also very correct on obamas administartion being fascist.Sadly most people do not understand the word fascist as they beleve it is race related political ideology which yes it CAN be but the other fundamentals in place are the merging of political & corporate intrests .
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 am
Intercepting organization and communication via Enigma: “blitzkrieg,” panzers, Stukas, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, and the SS……..ZRNFTQMA….YO…[ABCDEFGH….20…]
ZHVSQHFNMLKJCGDZ….JVCDJJVHGQLM..LT..GSV..SLFZ..JLNZM..VNKQJV…MDL…[RESURRECTION OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE…NWO]………. ANYONE READ…OVER…
Unearth. Social. Agenda.
Except. Policy. Always.
Freedom. Done. Away.
Unified. Socialized. Domestic. Attack.
All. Communist. Lawyers. Union.
Illegal. Money. Forever.
Steal. Circulating. Currency.
Gangsters—2uickly 0rganize
Fulfill. Evil. Deed.
New. World. Order.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 am
Religion = Manufactured
Politics = Manufactured
Money = Manufactured
All 2 keep the sheep under control.
Peace
mike Reply:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
You are sure you thoughts are absolute?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:17 am
I BOW BEFORE NO ONE!!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
This is the DAWN of the United States of Europe!
Amsericans are you ready?
To the BEAST WE SERVE!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 am
Tell me if his speach doesn’t mirror the Pope’s.
ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO FAO ON THE OCCASION
OF THE WORLD SUMMIT ON FOOD SECURITY
FAO Headquarter, Rome
Monday, 16 November 2009
Mr President,
Ladies and Gentlemen!
1. I was very pleased to receive an invitation from Mr Jacques Diouf, Director General of FAO, to speak at the opening session of this World Summit on Food Security. I greet him warmly and I thank him for his kind words of welcome. I greet the distinguished authorities present and all the participants. Echoing the sentiments of my venerable predecessors Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II, I should like once more to express my esteem for the work of FAO, which the Catholic Church and the Holy See follow attentively, taking a keen interest in the day-to-day work that is carried out there. Thanks to your generous engagement, aptly expressed in your motto Fiat Panis, the development of agriculture and food security remain among the key priorities of international political action. I am confident that this same spirit will inform the decisions taken at the present Summit, and those that will follow later, in the common desire to win the battle against hunger and malnutrition in the world as quickly as possible.
2. The international community is currently facing a grave economic and financial crisis. Statistics bear witness to the dramatic growth in the number of people suffering from hunger, made worse by the rise in price of foodstuffs, the reduction in economic resources available to the poorest peoples, and their limited access to markets and to food – notwithstanding the known fact that the world has enough food for all its inhabitants. Indeed, while low levels of agricultural production persist in some regions, partly owing to climate change, sufficient food is produced on a global scale to satisfy both current demands and those in the foreseeable future. From these data we may deduce that there is no cause-and-effect relationship between population growth and hunger, and this is further demonstrated by the lamentable destruction of foodstuffs for economic gain. In the Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate I pointed out that, “Hunger is not so much dependent on lack of material things as on shortage of social resources, the most important of which are institutional. What is missing, in other words, is a network of economic institutions capable of guaranteeing regular access to sufficient food and water . and also capable of addressing the primary needs and necessities ensuing from genuine food crises .” I added, “The problem of food insecurity needs to be addressed within a long-term perspective, eliminating the structural causes that give rise to it and promoting the agricultural development of poorer countries. This can be done by investing in rural infrastructures, irrigation systems, transport, organization of markets, and in the development and dissemination of agricultural technology that can make the best use of the human, natural and socio-economic resources that are more readily available at the local level, while guaranteeing their sustainability over the long term as well” (no. 27). Hence the need to oppose those forms of aid that do grave damage to the agricultural sector, those approaches to food production that are geared solely towards consumption and lack a wider perspective, and especially greed, which causes speculation to rear its head even in the marketing of cereals, as if food were to be treated just like any other commodity.
3. The weakness of current mechanisms for food security and the need to re-examine them are confirmed, one might say, by the mere fact that this Summit has been convoked. Even though the poorest countries are more fully integrated into the world economy than in the past, movements in international markets make them more vulnerable and force them to seek the aid of intergovernmental institutions, which no doubt do valuable and indispensable work. The concept of cooperation, though, must be consistent with the principle of subsidiarity: it is necessary to involve “local communities in choices and decisions that affect the use of agricultural land” (ibid.). This is because integral human development requires responsible choices on the part of everyone and it demands an attitude of solidarity – meaning that aid or disaster relief should not be seen as opportunities to promote the interests of those who make resources available or of elite groups among the beneficiaries. With regard to countries that are in need of external support, the international community has the duty to assist with the instruments of cooperation, assuming collective responsibility for their development, “through the solidarity of . presence, supervision, training and respect” (ibid., 47). Within this overall context of responsibility, every country has the right to define its own economic model, taking steps to secure its freedom to choose its own objectives. In this way, cooperation must become an effective instrument, unbeholden to interests that can absorb a not insignificant part of the resources destined for development. Moreover, it is important to emphasize that an attitude of solidarity regarding the development of poor countries also has the potential to contribute to a solution of the current global crisis. Support given to these nations through financial plans inspired by solidarity, enabling them to provide for their own requirements of consumption and development, not only favours their internal economic growth, but can have a positive impact on integral human development in other countries (cf. ibid., 27).
4. In the current situation there is a continuing disparity in the level of development within and among nations that leads to instability in many parts of the world, accentuating the contrast between poverty and wealth. This no longer applies only to models of development, but also to an increasingly widespread perception concerning food insecurity, namely the tendency to view hunger as structural, an integral part of the socio-political situation of the weakest countries, a matter of resigned regret, if not downright indifference. It is not so, and it must never be so! To fight and conquer hunger it is essential to start redefining the concepts and principles that have hitherto governed international relations, in such a way as to answer the question: what can direct the attention and the consequent conduct of States towards the needs of the poorest? The response must be sought not in the technical aspects of cooperation, but in the principles that lie behind it: only in the name of common membership of the worldwide human family can every people and therefore every country be asked to practise solidarity, that is, to shoulder the burden of concrete responsibilities in meeting the needs of others, so as to favour the genuine sharing of goods, founded on love.
5. Nevertheless, while it is true that human solidarity inspired by love goes beyond justice – because to love is to give, to offer what is “mine” to the other – it is never without justice, which leads us to give the other what is “his”, what belongs to him by virtue of his being and acting. Indeed, I cannot “give” the other what is “mine”, without first giving him what belongs to him in justice (cf. ibid., 6). If the aim is to eliminate hunger, international action is needed not only to promote balanced and sustainable economic growth and political stability, but also to seek out new parameters – primarily ethical but also juridical and economic ones – capable of inspiring the degree of cooperation required to build a relationship of parity between countries at different stages of development. This, as well as closing the existing gap, could favour the capacity of each people to consider itself an active player, thereby confirming that the fundamental equality of all peoples is rooted in the common origin of the human family, the source of those principles of “natural law” that should inspire political, juridical and economic choices and approaches in international life (cf. ibid., 59). Saint Paul speaks eloquently on this subject: “I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of equality your abundance at the present time should supply their want, so that their abundance may supply your want, that there may be equality. As it is written, ‘He who gathered much had nothing over, and he who gathered little had no lack’” (2 Cor 8:13-15).
6. Mr President, Ladies and Gentlemen, in order to combat hunger and promote integral human development, it is necessary to understand the needs of the rural world, and likewise to ensure that any decline in donor support does not create uncertainties in the financing of activities of cooperation: any tendency towards a short-sighted view of the rural world as a thing of secondary importance must be avoided. At the same time, access to international markets must be favoured for those products coming from the poorest areas, which today are often relegated to the margins. In order to achieve these objectives, it is necessary to separate the rules of international trade from the logic of profit viewed as an end in itself, directing them towards the support of economic initiative in countries with greater need of development; once they have greater income at their disposal, these countries will be able to advance towards the self-sufficiency that leads to food security.
7. Nor must the fundamental rights of the individual be forgotten, which include, of course, the right to sufficient, healthy and nutritious food, and likewise water; these rights take on an important role in the realization of others, beginning with the primary one, the right to life. It is necessary, then, to cultivate “a public conscience that considers food and access to water as universal rights of all human beings, without distinction or discrimination” (Caritas in Veritate, 27). Much has been patiently accomplished in recent years by FAO in this regard: on the one hand it has favoured an enlargement of the objectives of this right over and above the mere guarantee of satisfying primary needs, and on the other it has emphasized the need for its adequate regulation.
8. Methods of food production likewise demand attentive analysis of the relationship between development and protection of the environment. The desire to possess and to exploit the resources of the planet in an excessive and disordered manner is the primary cause of all environmental degradation. Protection of the environment challenges the modern world to guarantee a harmonious form of development, respectful of the design of God the creator, and therefore capable of safeguarding the planet (cf. ibid., 48-51). While the entire human race is called to acknowledge its obligations to future generations, it is also true that States and international organizations have a duty to protect the environment as a shared good. In this context, the links between environmental security and the disturbing phenomenon of climate change need to be explored further, focusing on the central importance of the human person, and especially of the populations most at risk from both phenomena. Norms, legislation, development plans and investments are not enough, however: what is needed is a change in the lifestyles of individuals and communities, in habits of consumption and in perceptions of what is genuinely needed. Most of all, there is a moral duty to distinguish between good and evil in human action, so as to rediscover the bond of communion that unites the human person and creation.
9. As I pointed out in the Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate, it is important to remember that “the deterioration of nature is . closely connected to the culture that shapes human coexistence: when ‘human ecology’ is respected within society, environmental ecology also benefits.” Indeed, “the ecological system is based on respect for a plan that affects both the health of society and its good relationship with nature.” And “the decisive issue is the overall moral tenor of society.” Therefore, “our duties towards the environment are linked to our duties towards the human person, considered in himself and in relation to others. It would be wrong to uphold one set of duties while trampling on the other. Herein lies a grave contradiction in our mentality and practice today: one which demeans the person, disrupts the environment and damages society” (ibid., 51).
10. Hunger is the most cruel and concrete sign of poverty. Opulence and waste are no longer acceptable when the tragedy of hunger is assuming ever greater proportions. Mr President, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Catholic Church will always be concerned for efforts to defeat hunger; the Church is committed to support, by word and deed, the action taken in solidarity – planned, responsible and regulated – to which all members of the international community are called to contribute. The Church does not wish to interfere in political decisions: she respects the knowledge gained through scientific study, and decisions arrived at through reason responsibly enlightened by authentically human values, and she supports the effort to eliminate hunger. This is the most immediate and concrete sign of solidarity inspired by charity, and it brooks neither delay nor compromise. Such solidarity relies on technology, laws and institutions to meet the aspirations of individuals, communities and entire peoples, yet it must not exclude the religious dimension, with all the spiritual energy that it brings, and its promotion of the human person. Acknowledgment of the transcendental worth of every man and every woman is still the first step towards the conversion of heart that underpins the commitment to eradicate deprivation, hunger and poverty in all their forms.
I thank you for your gracious attention and, as I conclude, I offer greetings and good wishes in the official languages of FAO, to all the Member States of the Organization.
God bless your efforts to ensure that all people are given their daily bread.
Que Dieu bénisse vos efforts pour assurer le pain quotidien à chaque personne.
Dios bendiga sus esfuerzos para garantizar el pan de cada día para cada persona.
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Thank you.
© Copyright 2009 – Libreria Editrice Vaticana
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
saved man your rapture may take awhile and it won’t be what you think no easy ticket to heaven. Better brush up on your wilderness training.
Global governance, I didn’t know 20 countries make up the World Rumpy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm
we call this the modern middle age. for those who though that they were free they are in for a deeper surprise than expected and those that can save you are for the moment put aside, funny by you the majority. perhaps the world is a bit suicidal and the new world order and human extermination is a blessing for the lot. no wonder wisdom and knowledge never wins when it is confronted by the majority. stupidity greed and confusion does. i wonder was it worth it the 1792 revolution are the French better than before?? or are they even more confuse than a century ago! and how about your 4 of July the fact is Huxley’s brave new world describes America in 1492, not in 2050. surprise to you but this is how it is.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Paul Martin Questioned About The Bilderberg Group and David Rockefeller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MQg014Tv0
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
We should thank our lucky stars that we have Obama for president now and not Bush.
At least with Obama he will sign the Copenhagen Treaty and we can join with the rest of the world and EU in making this world safe for our children.
If we do not stop global climate change at once, there will be no world left for our children and grand children to enjoy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Satan is alive and well waiting in the shadows like Hitler waiting to be reborn!
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Why they are dumbing people down with Floride and more like vaccines!!!!!!
The reson that realy pushes the elite to dumb down humanity is because they know the evolution leap humans are about to make in the futur. This is why they are acting now because they do not want humans to developp the powers they will developp in a near futur. Why? because they know they will loose control of humans and there empire is starting to feel the downfall as you read these lines.
Devide and conquer is there tactic this is why they are keeping us all so busy with television and entertainement so we don’t take time to think for ourselves. This way we do not see what is happening around us. They disinform the people with conditioning programmed with television so many listen too.
So you see the present chaos hides the truth behind the evil agenda the elite are trying to impose. They believe by killing or dumbing down as many of us as they can,we will not evolve to the new human powers we will eventually developp. powers like télépathy.Once we master it they will no more be able to lie to us ,no one will. THis scares them a lot for they will loose control of humanity and down goes there corrupt criminal system.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Barring a complete overhaul of this planet’s inhabitants’ evil ways, and others out there similarly evil, may this universe disappear as soon as possible (like, yesterday would have been nice).
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
The American truth. This link pretty much boils it all down for you.
http://www.avaresearch.com/art.....s-418.html
Damn, what happened to our great country?
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
the “man” is a c---!
f---ing EU tax!!!!! They have been stealing British money by way of unlawful Value Added Tax (VAT) for over 30 years!!!!!!!!!!
VAT has NEVER needed to be charged as the EU had never enforced it! f---ing corrupt British private company government scum f---wit s--- heads!!!!!