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New video shows officer shove, then taser 72-year-old great grandmother
David Edwards
Raw Story
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
Fox News has obtained police dashboard video of the tasering of a 72 year old great grandmother in Travis County, TX.
The police claim that after Kathryn Winkfein was stopped for driving 15 miles over the speed limit in a construction zone, she disobeyed an order to sign the speeding ticker, used profane language, and became “violent.” They say the officer who tasered her and took her to be booked for resisting arrest was completely justified.
However, Winkfein says that’s a lie, and the video appears to back her up.
It shows Constable Richard McCain screaming, “Get over here now!” Winkfein replies, “Give [the ticket] to me and I’ll sign it.” Instead, the officer reaches out and pushes her, and she starts complaining, “Oh, you’re going to shove me? You’re going to shove a seventy-two year old woman?”
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McCain then tasers her. As Winkfein lies on the ground screaming, he orders, “Now put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back or you’re going to be tasered again.”
Fox’s Brian Kilmeade commented after running the video, “Officers insisted they acted by the book. What book is that?”
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June 10th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Golly! Everybody KNOWS that 72-year-old ladies drive soft fluffy cars that can’t POSSIBLY hurt anyone, no matter how fast they’re driven, especially though dangerous areas like Hwy.71. She should be able to drive 72 miles per hour wherever she wants to, even though school zones, or through your living room for that matter, because SHE’S 72-YEARS OLD! And everybody KNOWS that 72-year-old ladies automatically have a big old get-out-of-jail-free card, and that 72-year-old-ladies don’t have to sign traffic tickets if they don’t want to, or comply with police officer’s directions, or do anything else they don’t want to do, because THEY’RE 72-YEARS OLD! How DARE this officer even STOP a 72-year old woman! Why, he should be waterboarded at once, and then fired! After all, this LOVELY woman warned the officer that she he was addressing a 72-year-old lady, but he insisted on treating her like anyone else. And just because he warned her clearly, several times, and just because she said “I DARE YOU!”, that doesn’t mean that a 72-year-old lady should be held accountable for her behavior. Let the woman drive as fast as she wants to, anywhere and anytime she chooses, because SHE’s FREAKING 72 YEARS OLD!
Seriously, thank goodness for the dash cam! Ms. Winkfein is a menace who deserves everything she got. No WONDER her attorney wouldn’t comment once the dash cam was released, and no wonder she hid and wouldn’t open the door to the reporter she’d made an appointment with. What a horrible example she set.
daggaz Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Heya copper…
Its excessive force, and you know it. Yes she broke the law, and yes she did not follow the policeman’s rather calm (in the beginning) orders. But she is a 72 year old woman. While that does NOT give her a get out of jail free card, it certainly implies that the policeman could EASILY have restrained and arrested her without the use of a taser, and without any risk of personal injury to himself.
Gary B. Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Only a PUSSY would taser a 72 year old woman who is about 4 feet tall. She was NOT armed. That cop assaulted that woman with a deadly weapon, no question about it. He probably rules his wife and children through fear as well. Yes that woman was in the wrong, and maybe be arrested for non compliance, but tasered???? That’s the sign of a true COWARD!!!!!!
R.C Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Bravo!!
global plantation serf Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I second that!
If she would have died, then what? Another notch?
Jerusalem Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I have to agree with you Gary. Hey, any kid that is brought up right, who then becomes a cop, has built in values which would keep him human, even if he is a person in authority. And, I have found by experience that men who get off on
bullying someone who is weaker then they, are total ”ninnies” when faced with
a fair fight. This 72 year old woman knew the cop was wrong by treating her in that manner, she ceased to trust him, and insisted on getting back into her car. It’s a certain ”feeling” that you get, when you run into one of these kinds of cops. I had to deal with one of them once….and I could feel the ”evil”, all around me. I went to bed afterwards, scared to death, and all I saw in my mind, was ”police state”.
As things become worse, many are going to have altercations with cops who are now being trained to be not only bullies, but much worse. Funny thing is…it is the elderly who recall how different things used to be in our society, who are going to speak up and create a problem when facing these officers. It a sort of ” How Dare You”, to much younger people, who are behaving like animals insteaf of the public servants which they are supposed to be. This cop may not have ”remembered”, the time when a policeman can still be a gentleman…but you can bet that ”great grandma” remembered! He has to ”practice” on little grandma’s, because faced with real men who are his equal, he couldn’t handle it.
Drew Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Do you think that her age prevents her from being a threat? What about the 88 year-old man who shot people in the holocaust museum yesterday? He was old. They shouldn’t have used force to stop him. What harm could he do?
I think it’s interesting that her age and size are her excuse for being disorderly. You say that she wasn’t armed. How is the officer to know that? The way she was trying to push up on him, she could have been trying to go for HIS gun. One of the many reasons he pushed her back. Anyone else pushing up on an officer would have been tased after the first attempt…not 9 times later. If you want leniency for her age, I think that 9 warnings counts.
Russell Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Drew,
Don’t take the bait when someone who obviously is in a battle with reality spews such venomous fascism at us. Do you really think anybody who sees that video could possibly come up with a response like that if they had a sane brain in their head? Don’t waste your time. You’re right, he’s wrong.
Russell
BillfromCovina Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:58 am
First of all she wasn’t speeding through a school zone, and if you look at the video you can obviously see that there is no construction going on. Many times law enforcement will leave these signs up so they can increase revenue. He should not have even made her exit her vehicle. If road construction were going on, isn’t it more dangerous to pull her over and cause another hazard. I can see the day when it will be very dangerous for law enforcement and people start randomly to shoot at them. Maybe their behavior will start to change.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Thank goodness for the dash cam, indeed, as it proves the officer lied in his statement.
He said she refused to sign the ticket, while the video shows the exact opposite.
He said she pushed him & became violent before he tased her, but the video shows him pushing her.
Making false statements in a police report is a crime, whereas not complying with a police officer’s orders – or not doing so to his satisfaction – is not an arrestable offense, and certainly not worthy of assault, which is what intentionally electrocuting someone amounts to.
(Not to mention that shocking someone with a heart condition – as anyone her age could easily have – should probably be viewed as attempted murder.)
Someone needs to take one of these cases all the way up to the Supreme Court, as the guidelines for taser use most law enforcement agencies use seem at odds with rulings The Court has made over the years supporting of the role of police officers as public SERVANTS, not masters.
The cops seem to have a pretty good sense of just who they can & cannot get away with harassing, but it’s only matter of time before a prominent politician, business man, celebrity, or other member of the “un-torturable” class gets it, and then even Oprah will be covering this issue.
In the meantime, the best advice anyone can follow is “avoid the authorities,” and, in the words of Hunter Thompson, “NEVER Call 911!”
Citizen tases cop's mother Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I’d love to shove a taser in YOUR grandmother’s mouth and squeeze, you filthy little piglet.
cheesecakechef Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:44 am
hell yea why the mouth it takes some extra for hard headed folks
Jerusalem Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Hi Cheesecake, come on over and meet me and my tazer!
Jerusalem Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
See? They love it!
jay deboard Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
mr officer,you piece of fucking SHIT, i would love to be one on one with you. you as a human being worst then a piece of SHIT! how dare you in the name of god and all humanity who in the hell do you think you are! it is also clear to see that you needed some one to tazer that day,being a 72 old woman there is your fall guy.if the people of this country believe its ok to tazer a 72 year old then they are just like you, fucked in the head. protecting people seems to be a crock of SHIT any more thanks to officers like you who do it in the name of justice. BULLSHIT,BULL FUCKING, SHIT, THE PEOPLE OF YOUR TOWN OUGHT TO PICK UP ROCKS AND STONE YOUR ASS INTO A PUBLIC APOLOGY, YOU ARE THE ONE TO BE MADE A EXAMPLE OF YOU STUPID JERK!!!
hologram5 Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Beat it you freaking troll, Gov disinformist. That was way over the top and the whole world will agree it was excessive force. Like a little old lady made this pussy fear for his life to tase her. Get real.
Insipid Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am
… and continued to threaten her as she tried desperately to comply as she lay helpless on the ground. Donut eating masochist!! He was obviously getting a thrill holding so much power in his fat hand. Lazy ba**ard! Policemen used to be trained to negotiate with the people they serve… now they just shoot first and ask questions later, if the victim is still alive!
cheesecakechef Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
do you have a grandmother? or were you born in a petri dish i am a former police officer/military police officer my mom dad sister and cousins were police officers and i would hunt that nazi down and taze his grandmother and mother for good measure .after all they deserve everything they get
:/ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
So, Flora, do you prefer Dunkin’ Donuts or Tim Horton’s?
Desma Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY OF THE ELDERLY.
I do not agree with how that policeman handled the situation. It was horrible of him to do that, but, I think that maybe this woman is quite possibly getting a “reaping and sowing?” From her picture, her countenance reminds me of an elderly person that feels that they are entitled to special treatment and that they are above the law. It is called Narcisstic Personality Disorder. Their whole lives they have been controlling, mannipulative and pathological liars and exploited and abused their children and grandchildren and the day arrives that they get their righteous judgement and punishments. We all reap what we sow except for that minority of people who are genuinely being persecuted for righteousness sake and the love of God. Just because a person is old, does not mean that they are entitled to break the law or, to abuse their children and grandchildren. Maybe that cop is so mentally unbalanced that she reminded him of his own mother? In either case, by the look on her countenance and her voice and the squealing, there is something very fake about her. If she was going over the speed limit, she should have just complied instead of thinking she is above the law and entitled because she is maybe an old hag. The policeman, well, maybe they deserve one another and if they are both single, need to hook up? I am a grandmother myself and her behavior was not becomming of an elderly woman with any class and wisdom, unless, she was hot for the policeman?!! I have seen so many older people live terribly lonely lives at the end because of their selfish unrepentantive attitudes and have been mentally and verbally and emmotionally abusive their whole lives and finally they get what they deserve. If I am wrong, please forgive me for speaking so bluntly. Nobody is perfect.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
The only crime she committed was speeding.
Her attitude may have been provocative, but police officers are supposed to receive training in how to deal with combative citizens without assaulting them or infringing upon their rights.
Being rude to a police officer is not smart, but it is not illegal, and is actually understandable in this situation considering the fact that he removed her from her vehicle & threatened her with arrest for a traffic violation, even AFTER she had asked him for the ticket & said she would sign it, which was all she was bound to do by law.
polecat Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
So, now we have heard from the cop’s mother and the cop’s grandmother.
Kim Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Ha ha. Very clever polecat.
Sadly I think Desma lost its humanity in some textbook. But unfortunately literacy does not always lead to critical thinking and Desma misses the whole point.
darkhorse Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
wow desma, what a bitch mindset “I think that maybe this woman is quite possibly getting a “reaping and sowing?” Ya think??!!! “Narcisstic Personality Disorder.” really, you should team up with flora and scott, and ya’ll can bask in your self righteousness, while enjoying some pork rinds and donuts. it is for such docile minds as yours that there are such retarded and brutish pig thugs masquerading as authority. Today the cops are mostly nothing more than paramilitary serving the police state and martial law for fat pig bankers. You certainly are free to have your say, yet your say implies you are not free. The lady is guilty as far as your thinking is concerned. With thoughts like this how can we come to the aid of our fellows? In judging her you have sided with the cop right or wrong, so I suppose he must be your fellow.
"Shrugs." Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
These innocent 72 year olds were actually 23 to 33 years old during the sixties, and know how to protest, and some REALLY dislike police, and know how to, and can take pleasure in purposely pushing police’s buttons. Do not ever think that
that generation aren’t capable of being particularly rude and obnoxious with intended skill, honed by protests or watching protests during the Vietnam era. Watch a few olde videos and see what a HUGE number of your ‘grannies’ and ‘grandpas’ were actually up to back then on college campuses and elsewhere. Not saying that THIS woman was ever a rebellious hippie, but that generation sure as hell knows how to be, so you might want to lay off the innocent granny routine. I was there, in the sixties, and find you all naive. I found her appallingly rude and mouthy, and not contrite, considering she was endangering those around her/booked for speeding. She behaved far from innocent right here on the video, and this display of behavior goes far beyond ‘grumpy’, IMHO. The news video that I saw had a police supervisor or commenter stating (over the video as it was shown) that the officer had to keep pushing her back to keep her from bouncing out all pissed off like she was, right into traffic that was whizzing by in the video. She was over the top, and over the top people do stupid things like getting hit by passing cars while having tantrums. He may have saved her life. She also originally basically denied giving the policeman any grief, and that is just not true by any stretch from the video I saw. The courts will have to interpret who is responsible for what.
I really don’t like Tasers though; I don’t like them used on any persons of any age because of the inadvertant and unintended collateral mortality involved.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
And her grandmother could have been part of the labor movement – How would either justify the cop’s actions?
(The sheriff there has even gone out of his way both to criticize the officer and to point out that he works for a different department.)
"Shrugs." Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Lol at your labor movement comment . I got carried away; what can I say.
My point was that she’s not poor olde granny just because she’s 72. She could have been a soprano for all anyone knows. I read somewhere that she argued for something like 13 minutes (forgot her Prozac?) about getting a ticket until he ordered her out of the car and the rest ensued.
Do you act like she did when you get a speeding ticket? Who acts like that???
darkhorse Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
wow flora, may you soon be returned to dust and pushing up daisies, meanwhile may your chains set lightly upon you, we know you not as a brother, but as a traitor and an enemy within the gates, as the dashcam footage reveals what a pig the so-called officer is; so your comment reveals what a pig loving freedom hater you are
Who Owns You? Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:46 am
cops: this douche bags that got picked on in school.
this “man” is huge compared to this little old lady!
one would think he would have acquired tactics (in
his 2 week law enforcement crash course training)
on how to apprehend persons by AT LEAST TRYING
physical restraint. but no, this jerk off went straight
for the “kill”.
to the officer: “i rebuke you in the name of Jesus,
& in the name of the all mighty, YAHWEH!”
Steve Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Restraining the woman without the taser would have made much more sense. Did the officer really think she could put up a fight? If so they need to hire some more able officers who can handle 72 year old women.
Tasering should be considered deadly force if not very close to deadly force and the use limited to situations in which they would pull out their guns. We just had another guy here in Utah die from a taser. It happened to be the son of the head of a news station here, so it’s not going to go away. It shouldn’t have happened, but at least it’s going to get attention instead of being shoved under the rug.
Security Officer Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I say the officer went over boardmy self. I know three other ways for an office is not use that unless they were threatened with bodly harm. The officer should have not tossed the ticket book down in the fashion that he did. he was out of line when he did that. It is true that she violated the personal space rule that all officers go by, but she backup a little. She did continue, but have handle it differently. I believe that she does need to deal with the problems that she had cuased with this, but as an officer I am detested with the way he handled it, for he allowed her to push the buttons that got him aggitated to the point that he made a rookie mistake
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Yes Flora68, obediance is the way we all should act around police, after all they are the rulers. I mean if a 280 lb man has to deal with an unindoctrinated elderly person, the tazer is the only way to make her comply, as a matter of fact maybe husbands should taze wives who become disobediant, and kids too, if you don’t comply, our ONLY recourse is to tazer. Not to use our training in how to subdue, just taze, I think I’m gonna get one too, it looks fun to taze old women, always disobeying the masters. And if you cut me off in a parking lot, maybe I could taze you and then claim you attacked me. Yeah man, obediance thats the answer…..poor dumb slaves always claiming to be free, how dare they…….The truth is the overweight fat ass cop couldn’t handle her, she was way out of his league, probably a BJJ cage fighter from the looks of her, really big and strong, he probably hadn’t had his coffee and doughnuts and was feeling week at the moment too, poor fat ass cop always gettin picked on, even as a kid…ahhh but now THE POWER to subdue 72 year old BJJ cage fighters…ahhhhh…the life as master is good….
Jerusalem Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
you can come see me too, dogrot.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Cops should receive special training in the handling of retards.
hologram5 Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Hmm, kind of like you?! Go home troll, go back to sleep. If you think that was “OK” then you’ll get what is coming to you.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Typical. I am wondering what I would think if that was my mother or grandmother. I can’t believe they are trying to back the officer and defend this. Just shows how out of touch with reality the Gestapo…I mean the police forces are. If the officer felt threatened by that situation, he has no business being an officer. To Protect and Serve? What happened to that? If the same situation occurred to a non-officer type civilian he’d be tried and convicted and sentenced to a lengthy prison term. This is reprehensible and in-excusable.
Deb K Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
First of all, if it was MY mother, or MY grandmother, neither of them would be saying “I dare you!” to a police officer! Nor would either of them be cursing at him. My grandmother didnt’ drive, my mom did. She may have even sped occassionally. If she had been stopped and beleived she was not speeding, she would be angry and might even say “I will fight this ticket in court! I was Not speeding!” But she wouldn’t be cursing or abusive to the officer. And I promise you, if this had happened to my mother, or even myself, and this video, as is, was being shown all over, my mother or myself would be mortified at our own behavior. This woman is too stupid to be embarrassed about her own behavior. She’s proudly showing up in interviews and claiming the officer’s report is “All lies! All of it!”, even though the video shows that she was not the least bit cooperative. I don’t believe the officer should have tasered her, but that doesn’t mean I think this woman is nothing but an innocent victim either.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:56 am
At no point in the video does the woman say “I dare you,” nor does she curse at the officer.
Even if she had, neither one of those actions is a criminal offense.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Saw the full clip, and she does say, “I dare you,” but that’s still a poor defense.
(It wasn’t voiced as a provocation either, but stated in disbelief that the cop would be such a pig in the 1st place.)
Would it be OK if he had shot her in response to a dare?
Marine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:06 am
IF THAT WAS MY GRANDMOTHER THAT FUCKING PUNK WOULD NEED ALL HIS NAZI FRIENDS TO STOP ME FROM WHIPPING HIS ASS. HE CANT WATCH HIS BACK 24/7 TIMES A COMMIN BOYS!!
darkhorse Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Amen to that!
:/ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
They’re not “threatened”, they’re just making up stupid bullshit excuses to control and abuse people. Don’t fall for their shit.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:31 am
That’s ridiculous that an officer tazzed a SEVENTY TWO year old woman. What if she died as a result of it?? She should be subjected to death for going 15 miles over the speed limit? I think that Officer should be fired. He could have handled that situation 50 different ways with a better outcome than that. I’m just glad she lived through it. I’m not saying she’s shouldn’t be held responsible for speeding, I just think tazzering an elderly woman for it is ridiculous!! Somone should tazzer that jackass……
June 10th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Yeah maybe she should have been put in cuffs until the situation was resolved. No one can drive 15 over through a construction zone. But the officer should have handled this better. Tasering a 72-year-old woman is the act of a coward. People of that age are at high risk when they fall. Normally if they break a bone, that’s it. The elderly don’t heal nearly as well as the young.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Put in cuffs for a ticketable offense?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:55 am
@ Martin McGregor: As opposed to an “officer-type civilian”. Why would a “non-officer type civilian” be making a traffic stop to begin with? I think that the officer did exactly what he was supposed to do, resolve the situation with as little harm to both himself and the lady. Sure he could have wrestled her to the ground to get her into the cuffs resulting in worse injury to the 72 year old angel. Oh yeah, and that construction worker that she could have mowed down about a mile back…..its ok….she’s old remember…..
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:00 am
She was guilty of speeding, a ticketable offense that should not result in an arrest, and certainly not an assault.
She asked the officer for the ticket and said she would sign it, he refused, removed her from her car, and attacked her.
Given her age, a taser could have easily killed her.
(Note that he also demanded she place her hands behind her back WHILE she was being electrocuted, a physical impossibility.)
cathy Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
your right , when he was sreaming put your hands behind your back how could you when the ass hole was tasing her .i bet that jack ass loved doing that to her
June 10th, 2009 at 6:08 am
The cops seem unable to comprehend these actions are to SET THEM UP. You are ALL going to die. OR you could start acting as PoliceMEN and not criminal enforcement officers and possibly save yourself. If the people retaliate in earnest you are all toast. And they will. These colleagues of yours that you defend and turn a blind eye to… remember… THEY are setting YOU up.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Are you Kidding Me?!?! I could plainly see that she was not really cooperative, but don’t tell me that this officer could not handcuff her without tasering her. Yes, I saw that she faced him and defied him saying “I’m getting back in my car”. But he could have simply grabbed her and cuffed her without even throwing her to the ground. What, is she a weight lifter in disguise? Yes, she did deserve to be arrested, and I do believe that taser has a use in many cases, but not in this case. He just looks like a bully and makes all police look bad in this video. I don’t care if it was by the book, this man shouldn’t be in law enforcement if he can’t handle a plump, short, 72 year old without using his taser (and without having to throw her to the ground to get cuffs on her)
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:10 am
She was as cooperative as she needed to be.
The only thing the police officer should have done was to cite her for a traffic violation.
End of story.
She asked the officer for the ticket, said she would sign it, and that still wasn’t good enough for him – nor was the truth, for that matter, as he lied about both in his report.
No, he had to remove her from her vehicle and demonstrate his “authority” over her.
She was obviously in a hurry – hence the speeding – and rather than letting her go on her way after the full weight of the law had been pressed against her – i.e. the ticket had been written – he chose to enforce his own version of the law, and assaulted her, for the obvious reason that she wasn’t showing him the proper respect he felt he deserved.
(His actions show that she was correct in her assessment.)
June 10th, 2009 at 6:15 am
She deserved it. Pay attention to what the cop is telling you and follow instructions. Simple as that. Don’t be belligerent and refuse to stand somewhere SAFE as he was keeping you out of harms way (who knows when a car would come slamming through there and hurt or kill her!).
I don’t care what age you are, pay attention and listen to instructions, stop being a witch to the cop or you will get tased.
Marine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:16 am
SPRING SAYS “OBEY YOUR MASTERS” YOU BETTER SPRING, YOU BETTER. THEY MAY DISAPPROVE OF YOU AND TREAT YOU LIKE THE REST OF US. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, TAZERING A 72 YEAR OLD WOMAN. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU SELF SERVING LITTLE BASTARDS! DIDN’T YOUR MOMMIES LOVE YOU ENOUGH AS A CHILDREN AND WHIP YOUR ASSES TO RESPECT YOUR ELDERS ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU ALL SHOW SO WELL THE RESPECT YOU CARRY IN YOUR HEARTS FOR THE OLD, NEXT IT WILL BE OK TO ABUSE HANDICAPPED? YOU DISRESPECT YOUR PARENTS AND YOURSELVES BY THESE ITS OK ATTITUDES! YOU FUCKING PEOPLE NEED SOME CHLORINE IN YOUR GENE POOL. DO US ALL A FAVOR DON’T FUCKING BREED! THE YOUNG, THE OLD, THE INFIRM, ARE NOT PART OF THE EQUATION, GET THAT THEORY! IT’S REAL SIMPLE. OH WAIT IT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORALS, JUST DON’T BREED.
Sheep Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Marine Shut The Fuck up, goto your corner, and cry.. Nobody gives a Fuck about what you think… Thanks son..
Insipid Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
News flash my friend… it’s already ok to abuse the handicapped! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hUGuy0wuY
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Why did the cop remove her from her vehicle in the first place if she was only guilty of a ticketable offense?
Non-compliance is not a crime, and it’s a shame that so many people in this country seem to think that the role of the police is to assault the general public.
:/ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
No. Go fuck yourself and tell the pigs to find some better way to whittle away their time than by trying to force people to serve their every beck and call. I’m not a subject to the pigs’ rule and I’m never going to be.
darkhorse Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
to spring, Ya vo comandante, you must be big brothers’ little brother, what a sniveling snitch. and when you are told to get into the trunk, you will get in and die as you live without honor. Meanwhile bask in the darkness of your subservience. grovel well
June 10th, 2009 at 6:19 am
You prats LOVE your statutes that aren’t laws. You LOVE your money and Gold. You turn a blind eye to the murder of the poor at the behest of the rich by our coward armies, who are backed up by these thugs in uniform. You LOVE it all. Slaves. The lot of you. You deserve your sorry plight because even now you still aren’t getting it. So your ruin will continue. You think the US was great? When? The truth is you are a young and naive race of bluster, brashness, greed and corruption. Your stupid coppers reflect this nicely. Americans… the fat and the stupid. You are antichrist.
"Shrugs." Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
You’re not seeing the big picture. I had an appt. at an Orthopaedic surgeon pre-taser era.
His waiting room was full of police. In fact, setting their broken bones, fingers, twisted arms, separated shoulders, mangled collarbones and wrists and other broken body parts was the mainstay of this surgeon’s practice. I asked him about them, and he said that most were repeat visitors; some back for their 4th, 5th or 6th time. He stated than many never reached retirement age, and many who did were in worse shape than NFL players. They didn’t sign up to be punching bags for drunks, thugs, druggies, crooks, thieves and domestic free-for-alls. I thought people on this site had a big distaste for crooks and thieves. Imagine going from call to call to call dealing with lawbreakers. Neighborhoods would be chaos and anarchy without them; and one bad video, and thousands of decent police feel undervalued and contemplate career change.
Anyway, police don’t make big money, are not the rich elite, have families to feed, and have devalued 401K’s like the rest of you, and are wondering day to day which bank is safe to keep their modest savings in. Police are not the financial crooks you all seem to be mad at. Their job is to maintain law and order, and have you ever tried reasoning with a tasmanian devil? It doesn’t always turn out well. Actually, chances are it won’t. For every ’situation’ that twists into an undesireable outcome, there are thousands more that have been quietly handled in a proper way. Those good videos don’t sell advertising on CNN. Tasers, as much as I dislike them, have slowed enforcement’s chronic visits to repair their bodies. No man or woman can reasonably wrestle with 10 perps a day, 50 odd weeks a year. The police were eating the injuries along with the perps. Now, the perps risk the taser injury. I hope they come up with something safer than a Taser that still effectively brings bad situations under control.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Even if he had not used the taser and just twisted her arms to cuff her she would probably say assualt. And why didnt this site release the whole tape. they took off the first part of the tape where she starts cussing him.
Marine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:18 am
DO YOU HAVE THE WHOLE TAPE? POST IT IF YOU DO JUST DON’T SAY SO PROVE IT!
Sheep Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Keep Crying you little bitch… Just kill yourself Marine, your a waste of life…
The Truth Teller Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:25 am
You name says it all about you
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:15 am
That’s all the police provided, and even that little bit proves the cop lied in his statement.
If what he did was by the book, why did he lie?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:29 am
I hope its his grandma the next time
How do we know what happened before this clip starts ??
The story says she refused to incriminate herself and sign his contract of a ticket
We all should know by now unless viewing the incident for yourself FIRST HAND it is very hard to make asumptions as to what went on
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:17 am
There is a slightly longer version posted at InfoWars, and the video shows she actually asked the officer for the ticket & said she would sign it, which proves pretty conclusively that the cop lied.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Pitiful. The cop should get tasered. She should not have been requested to get out of the
car. A lot of 72 year old seniors cannot put their hands behind their back. He should not
be a cop. She didn’t rob a bank; she was only speeding.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:52 am
She got what she wanted. She wanted a fight and she picked the wrong opponent. Police should not have to put up with that kind of arrogance. He warned her and she was too stupid to back down. Using a taser was better than him having to put his hands on her. There is one thing for sure from the video: she is arrogant, defiant, and stupid, making for a very dangerous combination.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Her behavior was not illegal.
End of story.
A cop shouldn’t have to like you to respect your rights, nor should he have to like you for him to obey the laws he swore to uphold.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:01 am
The only reason Fox shows this stuff, is to generate fear… how many cops do this crap every year and it ends up on Fox… just so we all think that’s what’ll happen if you screw with a cop.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Yeah, right.
Fox News is anti-authoritarian…
The point is, his behavior was so egregious that even the tools at jackboot central thought he crossed a line.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Watch the full video here, unedited: http://tinyurl.com/nos5pp
June 10th, 2009 at 7:21 am
why are people being asked to get out of their vehicle for speeding? If I am pulled over, I am NEVER REQUIRED TO EXIT MY VEHICLE AND WILL NOT! Who knows what kind of FREAKY, UNSTABLE “peace keeper” you are going to get! Example this one.
I have encountered several and know MANY who are PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNSTABLE. I now carry a tape recorder in my vehicle and if I am pulled over, I turn it on!
The trouble with the peace keeper applicants is that they do NOT go through extensive PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS by an INDEPENDENT agency. Lets DEMAND the COURT ORDER ONE ON THIS GUY!
POOR WIDDLE FRADEY COP, AFWAID OF A 72 year old grandmother. DID U FEEL AFWAID OF HER MR. PEACE KEEPER? She looks very very scarey. JERK! If he is that AFWAID, work at McDonalds.
He overreacted. Charge him with unnecessary force.
PS In Mass, they put up signs saying FINES WILL BE DOUBLED if speeding through a construction zone, BUT most of the time there is NO SPEED LIMIT SIGN POSTED and they do leave them on the roads and highways when there is NO construction going on with NO speed limit indicators so everyone slows down anyway.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:30 am
This video and audio have been used by a number of media outlets.
The problem is this video is not raw it has been edited:
What the video is missing the following sections:
14:20:26 to 14:21:11
14:21:15 to 14:21:21
14:21:26 to 14:21:34
14:21:46 to 14:21:51
This is just wrong…
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Wonder why the cops let an edited version out?
What they did release contradicts the officer’s story, and it is likely that the only reason they withheld any of it is that it further corroborates her version of events.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Judy Thornton posted a link to the full video above, and it does further confirm her version of the story.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I wonder how the jerk treats his wife and kids. I also wonder how he would react if someone tasered his mother.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Way too excessive of force. Looks like granny and the family will be rather wealthy, after they ask a jury for alot of money. Put me on the jury and I will make sure she gets alot.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
This video does not show al that happened. That man spent a good 10-15 minutes asking that woman to comply. I saw the video on television that showed from the moment she was pulled over. She WAS abusive, belligerent and refused to obey him. I’m sorry, I’ve taught my child you do what an officer says.
He tried repeatedly to get her to listen to him. He warned her at least 15 times that he was going to taser her. I wish it didn’t happen. But how stupid was it to ignore a cop and to resist arrest? He couldn’t really physically overpower her, he really could have hurt her then.
If you’re going to show the video, be fair. Show the whole thing and stop slanting what happened.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
There is a time log clearly visible in the upper right hand portion of the screen.
From the moment he approached her car to the instant he tased her is less than 3 minutes, not 10-15.
And maybe you ought to try teaching your child The Constitution instead, as you could apparently use a refresher yourself.
:/ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
*I’m sorry, I’ve taught my child you do what an officer says. *
And sadly, that poor kid will have to learn different the hard way.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:19 am
She should have complied with the officers requests. Then none of this wouldn’t have happened.
People are basically stupid.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:49 am
He removed her from her vehicle to write her a speeding ticket.
He then refused to give her the ticket and allow her to sign it.
He then pushed her & electrocuted her over a dispute involving a non-arrestable offense.
He then lied about what happened in his report, as made clear by the actual video from his own cruiser.
But, yes, after reading your comment & others like it, I would have to agree that people are stupid…
Insipid Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Wayne,
Our policemen used to be a part of the community they lived in. They walked a ‘beat’ and learned to respect the people they were protecting who returned respect to the officer of the law.
Now the elitist scum have re-written the role of the “law enforcement officials” (what double-speak that is), given them all special training to take them entirely out of their own communities to be brainwashed into their own secret little societies of wanna-be elitists.
No law says respect police or else. In fact, most laws (until the bush crime syndicate took the reins) were passed to protect the people from thugs and masochists who found there way onto the police force… like this donut eating, wanna-be.
Resist corruption like this 72 year old brave woman or look in the mirror…
June 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
the victim here may have been uncooperative, but this is demonic and I believe the police depts across our land are not here to protect and serve us. there in league with lucifer, and will serve him well for an eternity!!! on their knees. so enjoy your illusion of power now cuz satans gone have fun with you for an eternity!!! Fucking PIGS!!!! and they wonder why we’ve no respect for there authority. they don’t deserve it!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 8:29 am
insane,weak,DEFAULT America
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Yeah, the european police are all sweethearts…
June 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Did anyone notice in the video the cop never put down the ticket, until he tasered her. Do you think he could have used both hands to restrain her? This is way over the top. Does anyone have common sense anymore?
rmguzman Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Again, had he laid his hands on her, he really could have have hurt her. And I don’t mean intentionally. Especially since she was fighting back. Common sense would have been her signing the ticket and not arguing with a cop.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am
At what point in the video is she “fighting back?”
In the full video, she asks the officer for the ticket & says she’ll sign it, both of which the cop lied about in his arrest report.
For all the officer knew, she had a weak heart, and a taser could kill her.
If he had done his job, she would never have gotten out of her car in the first place, and she would have motored on with a ticket for speeding.
cathy Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
yea when did she fight back i watched video few times never seen it
June 10th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Ignorant old woman DARED the cop to taser her,…multiple times,…swearing like a drunken marine the whole time. I’m GLAD the cop lit her up like a Christmas Tree, she deserved it.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
By your “logic” it would’ve been alright for him to kill her if she had dared him to shoot her in the head.
And in America, the First Amendment gives citizens the right to swear.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am
If that had been my mother the bastard would be dead by now
June 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Couldn’t cuff a 72 year old so he had to TASER her huh? THAT IS EMBARRASSING!
This police officer might as well resign. He is useless. How could he ever live this down?
If he really wanted to do something about it later he could have just gotten her plate number. How hard is that?
June 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Today’s police are nothing but enforcement for an unconstitutional, tyrannical, beast system government. All politicians, judges and zog cops that have passed and enforced unconstitutional laws should be given a trial and tried for treason. (What is or was the penalty for treason?) What if this woman’s son or grandson had “taken matters into their own hands” as this piece of filth was tasering her?
June 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
OMG – I cant BELIEVE I’M DEFENDING A COP! But eff it – wtf he’s arresting her and shes fighting back – if it was my n*gg*r ass doing the SAME THING, none of you guys would give a sheet about it. Dont mouth off to the cops who just may have been shot at the day before, ppl. That’s what judges are for LoLz
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
This site & InfoWars post videos of police brutality on pretty much a daily basis, many of which depict the victimization of black citizens like yourself.
Most of us here are concerned about ANY behavior of this type no matter who is on the receiving end, because it represents a gross perversion of the role law enforcement is supposed to play in America, as well as further evidence of the lack of relevance The Constitution seems to have in this country anymore.
The fact that many cops are pigs does not justify their behavior, nor is it a valid legal defense for their actions.
darkhorse Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
so takoma your n*gg*r ass is really a cop lovin n*gg*r, wow what a n*gg*r
June 10th, 2009 at 9:28 am
I HATE COPS!……….WE HAVE COPS THAT ROBB BANKS AND WE HAVE COPS THAT ARE TIGGER HAPPY AND WE HAVE COPS THAT ARE COP KILLERS AND HAVE COPS THAT ARE CHILD MELOSTERS, COPS THAT CANT EVEN HOLD AN ARREST IN THE BACK OF THE POLICE CAR BEAUSE THEY GET AWAY ,AND WE HAVE COPS THAT HAVE NO HEARTS FOR OTHER WHO ARE DYING. NOW THIS COPS THAT WANT TO TASER AN OLD LADY ………….YOU PIG! YOUR PROBABLY MEAN TO YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND YOU PROBABLY DON’T HAVE FRIENDS………………..A 72 YEAR OLD PERSON NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT’S THE WAY THEY ARE, OLD AND YOU CAN’T CHANGE THE WAY THEY ARE……………YOU ASSHOLE COP.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am
What a wuss. Why are TX cops such control-freak jerks?
June 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
By this cop’s logic, all nursing home employees should have a taser in order to deal with old people that are hard to get along with and who don’t want to do as their told.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am
The force used was not justified. He has to take into account the person size and his own size. This was not the plus one rule meaning that if the person is bigger than you, you would use more force which would be justified this was not. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THIS OFFICER, He broke the law and now he has to answer to it.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Does anyone seriously believe this is acceptable? I think it is utterly incredible that anyone could.
How many people have died from being tasered? How many of those people (including the elderly and children) could easily have been subdued by “good old fashioned” methods such as simply strong-arming? Or perhaps police nowadays are not strong enough to hold down an 11 year old, or 72 year old?
These are cattle prods plain and simple. Wake up.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am
this is INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God will give you back what you deserved by these ignorant cops, because you refused to follow his commandments. Wait for the h3ll that is coming!
June 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I’m So Bored With The U-S-A – What video’s are you watching? She refused to sign the ticket and when informed she would be arrested for not signing the ticket she said “go ahead, take me to jail”. Once she realized the officer was going to take her to jail she changed her mind and wanted to sign – too bad, that choice was no longer hers to make. Furthermore she was tased only when she decided she had enough and was going to get back in her car and leave. In this country you don’t get to break the law and decide you are done with those pesky police bothering you so you ignore their directions, decide no – your’re not going to be arrested and leave. He could have manhandled her and put her in the back of the patrol car but then everyone here will be saying that was wrong too, even though she broke the law, refused to sign the ticket and tried to leave after being told she was being arrested. Try watching the entire video again. No wonder our kids are unable to understand that all actions have consequences – when grandmothers and parents are such poor examples.
The Truth Teller Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am
You say she broke the law ??
I thought we were all inocent until proven guilty so now you are the judge too ???
Did the Cop estimate her speed did he use a radar gun did God tell him she was going 60 in a 35 zone (15 Mph is hard to prove visually) ???
Why did he take her out of the vehicle ???
She does not have to sign his contract its not against the law to refuse this request
If you have the time check out some other cop citizen interaction and you will maybe understand why people treat the cops the way they do
I guess she should have just said THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER !!!
Sui Juris Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Until you awake from your Matrix and realize….. There are NO lawful judges. Just like there are no ‘Article 3 Courts’ (CONstitution)
So where are you going to find ‘Justice’?
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I watched a more complete video posted at the link provided by Judy Thornton in the comments above.
According to the log in the upper right hand corner of the screen, between 14:21:20 and 14:21:25 she asks for the ticket TWICE and says she’ll sign it.
He did not say she was being arrested until AFTER that, as is clear from the tape.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am
The video was of a 72 year old woman being tasered. The incident seemingly started as a routine traffic stop, then escalated to the officer tasering the …
See a video here:72 year old woman tasered
June 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Anyone that defends this thug cop is my enemy! Communists are in control of the government for now and the constitution is all but gone but if Godly constitutional men EVER regain control and the republic is restored…then there will be trials. “I was just following orders” wont save the bastards.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Refusing to sign the ticket means nothing – a lot of folks think that means they agree with the charge – it’s only to aknowledge receipt of the ticket – I don’t understand why the cop made a big deal out of her refusal to sign it. She’s in her 70’s for God’s sake – where is his respect for his elders? Hand her the ticket or leave it on her dashboard and leave – let it go – you’ve done your duty and now let it go. He should have a taser duct-taped to his ass and given the max til his butt hairs start smoking. For his Chief to back him up is criminal as well.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Precisely – They leave people parking tickets all the time without waiting for the driver to return & sign it.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
The Truth Teller -
“Why did he take her out of the vehicle ???
She does not have to sign his contract its not against the law to refuse this request”
He took her out of the vehicle because she was being arrested. She’s not signing a contract she’s acknowleging receipt of the citation and yes in some states if you refuse to sign you can be arrested.
Roy D “by God” Mercer – you are funny! (at least I hope you are being funny)
I’m not defending all police, but if you are being serious about this particular issue this officer was doing his job citing her for speeding. She became belligerent – she initiated the entire incident and unless you are the officer trying to do your job (and deal with a situation that could potentially turn dangerous) it’s not fair or correct to attack his behavior.
How could this be avoided?
1. Don’t speed or break the law.
2. When stopped\caught – don’t act like spoiled, obnoxious idiot.
And if you weren’t speeding or doing anything wrong? – still refer back to #2. It’s called “maturity”.
Paul (MN) Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
and sometimes, cops just assault you for no reason at all. Trust me, I’ve seen it done.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
He said nothing about arresting her until she had been out the car for at least two minutes.
(That’s what the numbers on the screen denote, in case you were wondering.)
And there is no law against being belligerent to police officers.
In fact, the courts have consistently ruled you can be as rude as you want to a cop as long as you don’t “insult the office.”
(That means you can say he has sex with his mother, but you can’t call him a pig, for instance.)
And if being a “spoiled, obnoxious idiot” was against the law the streets – and police forces – of America would be almost entirely empty.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
“Respect for his elders” …
How about respecting an officer of the law trying to do his job? Why should he just leave the ticket on her dash because she refuses to sign it? Because she is older than he is. So I am older than my boss but I don’t have to do what I’m told because he should “respect his elder”? ….. Again, it’s about personal responsibility.
The Truth Teller Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Sorry Scott about to much Kool Aid better luck next time !!!
:/ Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
*How about respecting an officer of the law trying to do his job? *
You don’t mean “respect”, respect is defined as a deference to one’s abilities(and no, we’re not going to defer to the police’s abilities to beat our asses — they should defer to our ability to band together and put bullets in their heads, by that logic). What you MEAN is for others to be submissive and fearful of police, and we’re just not going to do that anymore. The fact that there even IS a small group of people given the moral green-light to control the behavior of entire populations goes against the spirit of this country and is insulting to the core. We’re not being ordered around by anybody.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
You obviously have a very different understanding of the role of law enforcement in this country than most citizens.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Also, the video contradicts his arrest report on at least 3 key points.
If what he did was legit, why did he lie about it in his report?
And, since it is a crime for a police officer to submit false statements in a report, why should any of us defer to someone who is charged with upholding the law but has no respect for it?
June 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
It’s called “decency”. Old folks can be cantakerous – aches, pains, senility – would you slap or push your grandparents around if they were to go off on you for some reason? Repect works both ways – I got over my hero worship a long time ago – everyone being equal, no one deserves more respect than another. As a law enforcment officer, he should know how to deal with people better than this – he should have defused the situation rather than escalating it. And if she were my mother or grandmother, I’d be calling this cop out to settle the score, either on the street or in the courtroom.
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
You don’t have to be old to be cantankerous when detained by police over a traffic offense.
She was obviously in a hurry, and all he had to do was write her a ticket & send her on her way, not remove her from her vehicle to teach her a lesson.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
I wasn’t being funny. He is an officer of an unconstitutional, tyrannical government and Americans have had just about enough of them. These thugs will find out that they have gone too far only when it’s too late. During the last part of july FEMA will be doing drills with American police, foreign police and military….BEWARE.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Roy – I agree wholeheartedly. The people have been far too complacent for far too long. We need something like Citizen Councils and Town Hall like meetings to take back control of the country and to deal with blatant transgressions against citizens. And I’m not talking more government, I’m talking “by the people and for the people” – maybe Common Sense/Common Decency Civialian Action Groups? What would you suggest?
June 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
the police are human too. now why the fuck do police have such power to do this?
June 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
What might have happened if a 100 or so of her neighbors had shown up at the station to demand justice? Would they bring out the dogs and fire hoses? I think it might have caused the Chief to rethink his understanding of “the book” with which the officer was supposedly in compliance. “Peace Oficers” must be held accountable to the people and dealt with by the people when they go astray.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
(sigh) you guys make being out of touch with reality so much fun … Phil, if she were your mother or grandmother I would hope you would realize she (1) shouldn’t be driving anymore and (2) isn’t capable of handling herself in social interactions and therefore needs someone to accompany her when she goes out in public because she is a danger to others. And how was his handling of her physically any different of what he would have done to anyone, regardless of age who was not doing as directed? If someone is trying to walk by you (or walk out into the road) and they don’t stop when you tell them too what is you other option?
and Roy, the police, FEMA and the military – they are really your next door neighbor, your co-workers husband and my wife. Last time I checked my wife and her co-workers weren’t thugs. As for the government, unconstitutional, tyrannical” really? I mean really? You are always free to move to somewhere less “unconstitutional, tyrannical ” – and you have many choices since that would be ANYwhere else in the world (except maybe Canada).
I'm So Bored With The U-S-A Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
1) Driving 15 mph over the speed limit is hardly grounds to make such an assumption.
2) After being detained by a police officer for no reason – and being rude IS no reason – she had every right to be upset, and expressing this is not only 100% legal, but it certainly doesn’t pose a “danger to others.”
Unfortunately, you are right: He probably would have tased anyone who did not obey his commands to his satisfaction, even though the courts have ruled on multiple occasions that noncompliance is not a crime.
Of course, you couldn’t resist ending with a variation of the old “love it or leave it” BS.
Yes, everyone of us is independently wealthy, speaks several languages, has our immigration papers & visas in line, and has the ability to relocate to another country whenever we choose to – And that is especially true of the elderly…
Give me a break!
Why doesn’t this cop move to a country where police brutality is not a crime but is actually encouraged, since he obviously has problems with American laws & values?
(I’m also sure that if your wife actually is either a police officer, a member of the armed forces, or employed by FEMA, she could probably describe any number of offenses she has witnessed by her co-workers – Either that, or she’s as much a part of the problem as you are.)
darkhorse Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
wow Scott maybe you should hook up with reconmarine for a circle jerk and pork lovers pizza, what an establishment kiss ass.
"Shrugs." Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
You are a light in the darkness. Did any of these people have parents?
"Shrugs." Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I meant Scott. Not you, darkhorse.
Copland Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 5:22 am
SCOTT- Are you so flourided out you think there is one level of force for non compliance, regardless of age/physicality? I guess your wife is in law enforcement because she is more of a man than you are.
Actually, most law enforcement/government employees are fat, lazy and can’t get a real job Go out drinking with them, and you will hear the truth. MOST think they are better than the public, an unfortunate side effect of authority. They really love that AUTHORITY not the RESPONSIBILITY.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Ah yes, land of the free and home of the brave with liberty and justice for all.
More like land now in fear, home of the brave with tasers, with and justice for those who can afford it/
June 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Proves more and more everyday that cops don’t have any balls, the taser is the extent of it.
Paul from R.I. Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:19 am
You’re right Linda! I’m from E.P. BTW
June 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Moving to another country would be the easy way out – please read up on the Constitution and Federalist Papers and the people’s duty when authority transgresses the law of the land. You are obviously a Statist, well indoctriniated by the public school system and you are not to blame for your mindset – the system has done its job well along with the ongoing State supported corporate media propaganda campaign. It would not surprise me to learn that you carry a badge or perhaps work as a security guard. But I agree, people should not break the law. 15 mph (allegedly) over the limit isn’t what I’d call a major violation and never, ever should have turned out the way this incident did no matter what the lady may or may not have said. Tasers need to be taken away from all police departments as there have been way too many deaths from their use and abuse. Bullying anyone is not acceptable and I deem the tasering of 72 year old women as most vile bullying behavior as well as a gross violation of her civil rights. And though you can’t be directly faulted due to your having been indoctrinated to support the authoritarian order, your failure to support her in this issue tars you with the same shit-soaked brush I’m afraid.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Let’s get real here! Everyone in town knows this cop! He still has flashbacks and has been diagnosed with PTSD, all resulting from an incident that occurred when he was 5 years old! His 72 Great-grandmother spanked him for…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I take back what I said about Roy – you Phil are too funny. No I am not a Statist, I do not carry a badge and I left the military at a young age because I to at one point didn’t like acting like an adult and following the rules. My children go to a non-denominal Christian school because I cannot support a school system that has left morals out of the educational equation – as was the original intent of this country forefathers and the father of public school himself Daniel Webster. The fact that we as a country are moving further and further away from the ideals of the very people that wrote the Constitution is the real issue. “Common Sense/Common Decency Civialian Action Groups?” That police officer abusing his power, those teachers corrupting our kids, those politicians and activist judges ignoring the will of the people – all started out as children watching and learning from Adults who no longer are willing to do the right thing (when it doesn’t benefit them), accept the consequences for their actions and believe they are entitled to happiness without the effort of the “pursuit”. You want to change the country – start with yourself and your own family – and that includes 72 year old great grandmothers.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I salute you Scott for sending your childen to a school outside of “the system”. My family may need some improvement – but it’s the pocketbook area, not our morals. I’ve dealt and deal daily with many “out of control” people but cannot agree with you on this issue. I wasn’t there to witness what went down exactly, but tasering was not/is not an acceptable response. If she had pulled a knife or gun on him, okay – but any argumentative behavior on her part still does not warrant the response she got. No offense, but you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth and I suspect this is coming from some personal experience you have not shared.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
For everybody here who knows that they are a living soul, and NOT a corporate entity:
You do not have to sign a traffic ticket. PERIOD.
YOU ARE NOT A NAME.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Just called the Sheriff’s offfice out there and they say he’s not an employee of theirs – there’s a statement on their website denying responsibility and the Sheriff says he was shocked by the videotape. I told the lady who answered the phone they ought to arrest the “constable” responsible. I urge everyone to call and voice their indignation.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Phone: (512) 854-9770 Travis County Sheriff’s Dept.
Fax: (512) 854-9722
Let’s get a phone call campaign going here to bring the culprit to justice. Pick up the phone and do your part to restore America.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
NEWS RELEASE
TRAVIS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE
P.O. Box 1748, Austin, Texas 78767
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: June 10, 2009
Sheriff’s Response to Constables Office Use Of Force Incident
Due to the numerous calls received because of media reports saying to call my office I have decided to release this statement.
On May 11, 2009 the Travis County Constables Office arrested Kathryn Winkfein and charged her with Resisting Arrest. During the incident the deputy constable used his electronic control device, commonly known as a Tazer. The incident was recorded on the officers in car video camera and has since become a favorite video for media to incite responses to their programs.
As Sheriff of Travis County, I want to make two things perfectly clear. First, the deputy constable does not work for my agency. The Constables Office is a separate office with the Constable elected to office by an individual precinct. Second, I do not personally agree with the actions of the deputy constable as they are shown in the video. When I look at the video I am in awe of what happened.
Respectfully,
Sheriff Greg Hamilton
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Submitted By: Roger Wade, Public Information Officer, (512) 854-4986
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
First of all, the taser has allowed cops to turn into cowards and control freaks and this incident is no different.
But here’s what I don’t understand – why the hell is it necessary to sign a traffic ticket at all? The cop already has the license and the information so if the driver refused to sign (and it’s all on the dash camera anyway) the cop should just throw the ticket in the window and say “you’re court date is X, and if you don’t show up there will be a warrant issued for your arrest. Simple.
And then if she doesn’t show up, arrest her.
Why is this made so hard?
Paul (MN) Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Because, then insecure losers can’t inflict pain on little old ladies, or pregnant women or paraplegics.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
“Officers insisted they acted by the book. What book is that?”
The NECRONOMICON EX MORTIS, literally translated…the book of the dead….
June 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
You know he will get away with with it because you could just see the ferocity in that little old lady’s eyes. Please!!!
To think that a fat f#cking PIG like that could ever feel threatened by someone literally half his size is a clear indication he is unfit for duty as a police officer.
IF he is back fresh from Iraq, please get him the HELP he needs!
People are like him are really provoking the public to react with violence.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I watched the link that Judy Thorton had posted with a fuller video. I don’t know why she had to get out of her car with on coming traffic so close??? She was obviously agitated at getting pulled over but I think she became afraid and the,”I’m getting back in my vehicle…”statement was her trying to move to safety. All of a sudden a bigger, more youthful guy in a uniform starts to shove me??? What’s he going to do next? Also, she was trying to put her hands behind her back but didn’t seem to have the flexibility to do it. My mother had bursitis at 50 and she couldn’t put both hands behind her back. She’s no angel but that guy should not be in a uniform or have a gun or even a tazer.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
The teeniest tiniest psych worker ever could have handled this case without a fight or fuss. All it would have taken is good communication skills. I never did hear the cop explain to the lady that signing the ticket was not an admission of guilt but simply a statement that she’d received the ticket. Did he bother to tell her she could contest it in court? NO. She may have honestly thought she was innocent – who knows? Watching the video – just as someone with a few people skills – let’s me see pretty easily that she was scared and indignant. Not a menace, just very indignant. And good communication skills could have quite easily have nipped that in the bud. She was just acting very emotionally, NOT combatively. She was no threat to that officer.
The sad thing, to me, is that MOST Americans are fine with it. They say she deserved it, even asked for it. That’s why America is becoming more and more the opposite of what she was chartered by the constitution to be.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Kagil – you are exactly right in your analysis – anyone with a modicum of people skills could have defused this and resolved it in a positive manner. This idiot needs to be arrested and charged – I would think Texans would have enough regard for seniors to demand it. 9-11 was brilliant in the sense that it served to engender so much fear so that so many jumped on the bandwagon of authority ass-kissers and turned their backs on common decency and the rights and dignity due their neighbors.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
SO YOU THINK COPS ARE TUFF IN YOUR TOWN?
In my town going just 5 mph to fast in a construction zone results in the officer hogtying the offender to the hood of the car. (You know like a deer) Then he calls over all the macho construction men in their orange uni’s and hands each of them a taser. They take turns with target practice on your ass. This creates alot of laughs for the rubberneckers passing by as they can see the cops are at it again. Then the cop removes from the trunk a sign that says “throw something at the guy tied to the hood”. Motorist are now tossing 44 oz Cokes and half lit cigarettes at the poor bastard all wrapped up. Oh yes the cops have a wonderful imagination in my town.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
This is fascism and brutality. Violence against a weaker person on behalf of the criminal state.
Those who are apologists for this sort of thing need to understand that we will not stand for it. We don’t care what you fucking well “think” (if that term can be used to designate the utterly automatic process that takes place in your brains).
Lovers of freedom and truth and compassion know that this event is an abomination. If you’re not appalled by this, why do you come to this website? If you think this sort of thing is somehow, “OK”, sorry, but you just don’t get it.
Love and fairy kisses,
Alison
June 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Can anyone expect more from a power hungry cop? I have a friend in Austin who tells me that the cops ther love to harrass anyone who is out past 1am due to “suspicious behavior”(driving) They set up pathetic speed traps to try and give hard working people that are headed to work tickets(which takes food off their table). The cops are out of control 100% They beat up people and then back each other up( how about that woman cop who shot and killed that 20-something year old guy in the back)? They nevr get prosecuted because they are THE LAW AND ARE ABOVE THE LAW….YOU ARE JUST PEASANTS WHO BOW DOWN!
June 10th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Do you know what you do when your dealing with a difficult 72 year old? Let them get in their car and leave it. What is this ass of constable thinking? Fire the dips#$t! This is never appropriate.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Clearly this man needs to be arrested, mobilizing takes effort and organization. If we are to act it is important to avoid the infiltrators and the violence junkies. The America we new is slipping away, to reclaim it people have to mobilize and start increasing Americas production capacity. This women was abused, who is acting?
Kind Regards
PS – This is it, please give generously to the info war. Be safe.
PPS – Does anyone know what has happened with this woman, she would make a great guest!
June 11th, 2009 at 12:44 am
I thought that tasers were to be used if deadly force were the only other choice. I guess if he hadn’t used the taser he would have had to shoot her, after all anyone could see that that poor little cop was in great danger from that dangerous old woman.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Richard McCain should be goaled for assualt and battery.
Someone should go to a court and file criminal charges against him using this video as evidence. Simple go to your district court, ask for the form to file criminal charges for assault and battery, put in the names and dates and video evidence and press for these criminal cops to be put on trial and sent to goal.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:20 am
The ones who joke and laugh about this are the truly ignorant.
Laugh while your rights are GONE…not going but GONE.
Laugh at your industry evaporating.
Laugh at infrastructure to skeletal structure.
Laugh at total federal control.
Laugh because it’s not you.
Now cry yourself to sleep in your new gulag prison
while you attempt to convince yourself you live in a free and prosperous nation.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Many people(shills) are backing the cop with B.S. rhetoric. The question isn’t if she was out of line. The question isn’t did she deserve a ticket. The question is: Could that policemen have handled that 4′ 11″ 72 year old woman. The mention of her age and height come into play when asking if being tasered was deemed necessary.
First, you have to consider her age because of the danger of killing her. How do you know she doesn’t have a heart condition and that the taser wouldn’t render a heart attack?
You don’t.Plenty of people have died from being tasered, that cop took a big chance using a taser on an old lady just based on the possibility that it may have fatal results.
The most important question is: Could that cop have arrested this woman without endangering himself?
I’d say the answer is obvious. Don’t bring up,” she could’ve had a gun”, I’m sure he was well aware at that point she did not.
So, I think it is obvious that she possed no threat and that the officer could have handled her
without tasering her and risking a possible heart attack.
No one says because you’re 72, you get a free pass. You do get a pass on police brutality, which is what this clearly was That cop is tazer happy.
As far as the shills trying to justify this and lending the opinion that it’s normal and ok, just so we will get used to the idea and after awhile we as a nation become desensitized.
Well, I guess you’re just doing your job, but I have to say most people are on to you.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I blame the officer for not controlling the situation. It is his responsibility for all of this. He pulled the lady over. Why didn’t he call a back up so as to give some time for this situation to cool off. I don’t think that the little old lady would have taken off. As most of you say why couldn’t the officer have given her a warning. What would have been the harm of letting this lady go. Regular police officers are basically low on the totem pole of the police force. This doesn’t make them unintelligent but basically they are not hired for their intelligence. They are hired to obey orders. Most of the officers that I dealt with in Mobile, Alabama were basically dumb. My family and I were across the street from a faternity house for over 15 years. We went thru hell. We had a huge amount of documentation about this situation. It was all about the power and money. The police here would do the bidding of the rich and powerful. No one would help us. The only thing that stop it was the faternity got suspended because they beat up and put a guy who was in their faternity in the hospital and he sued the hell out of them. That is what stopped that faternity. But to get back to this. This guy is a bully. If he couldn’t handle this non gun toting granny without a taser he shouldn’t be out there on the streets. We do need to stand up to the police when we feel justified but always do it in a non threatening manner. In all of the 15 years we dealt with the Mobile City Police we were never arrested. The faternity did do alot of retaliation to us but we never backed down. We always addressed the officers as sir and we never screamed at them even when the situation might warrant it. Why did the granny have to get out of her truck? I like to know that. The officers here don’t ask you to get out of your vehicle unless you are in a wreck. Couldn’t he put on the traffic ticket that she refused the ticket as he had video survelliance to back him up? I think she has a case for police brutality. He could have told her to sit on the tailgate and called for a backup. Its his fault. I’m glad the lady didn’t get hurt worse then she did. Im sure she’s doing the speed limit now.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
TO THE PEOPLE OF TRAVIS COUNTY TEXAS,ARE YOU GOING TO LET THIS HAPPEN? ITS UP TO YOU,MAKE THIS SORRY PERSON HAND IN HIS BADGE,OR ARE YOU GOING TO BE HIS NEXT VICTIM AND FOR ALL YOU ASSES WHO THINK IT WAS OK JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS SPEEDING,YOU NEED TO BE WITH HIM!! ITS NOT RIGHT!!AND IF YOU WANT TO RETALIATE ON ME FOR VOICING MY OPINION THEN BRING IT ON I WILL GO OUT OF THIS SCREWED UP WORLD BLAZING YOU SORRY ASSES TO HELL WHERE YOU BELONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t a taser to be used in cases where a police officer is in some degree of danger, enabling him/her to defend themself while reducing the liklihood of a fatality for the other person? At what point was this officer in danger? Was this lady going to spread Old-Timer’s disease to him and his family?
She never took an aggressive step toward him. She only tried to pull away. He was never in any danger.
Additionally, ask yourself this question, “If I were there, would I be able to defuse this situation?” “And in what way would I defuse it?” …
1. First, I would understand that a person may not be pleased knowing that their being pulled over may ultimately take money from their pocket. This being the case, I know up front that I must condition myself psychologically for such confrontations.
2. I would understand that their attitude toward me for having pulled them over cannot be taken personally.
3. I would understand that many people do not trust police officers (some for good reason).
4. I would understand that taking personal offense and retaliating with emotional commands, combined with a heightened tone of voice will only encourage the same from those I’m confronting. Therefore I will reserve such an approach for when I recognize the potential for my life being in danger.
5. I would understand that as part of my being an officer, I need to ensure that I am physically fit and able to perform my duties without the need of “shock therapy.” I would need to obstain from donuts and prevent my turning into a fat-ass of dough.
6. I would understand that I must constantly work on not becoming a lazy blob that has so little energy that my only option is to shock someone because my arms are tree trunks of fat.
I could defuse this situation without incident, so why aren’t these guys trained to be able to do the same? Or, if they are simply bad apples, why are they not plucked from the tree, rather than being protected by their superiors who apparently approve of bullies and control freaks within their ranks? Are all officers like this? No, they are not. And to keep it that way the bullies and emotionally imbalanced should be aggressively culled.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
he knew he lost control of the situation and what would have happened to this lady if he didn’t taser her..use a gun or beat the shit out of her? Just because of 15 miles over the speed limit..obviously the lady had never gotten a ticket before..this guy needs to be pulled off of the police force and be put in the docket room where all the officers go where they can’t work anywhere else..good thing for the police surveillance camera..we wouldn’t know what is really going on..
June 12th, 2009 at 5:01 am
This cop is sloppy, fat, ignorant, and a coward. As are any of you Chicken Hawks, supporting his behavior. A cop is given a badge/arrest powers, a baton/club, pepper spray, hand cuffs, hand to hand combat training, a radio to call other cops, pressure point training, a camera, a tazer, and a pistol, and called a hero (even sans any heroic activity). How about just as much conflict resolution training, since that seems to be whats lacking NATIONWIDE. This FAT COWARD chose to use the second most LETHAL weapon on his sloppy fat person. I feel sorry for him if he ends up having to walk around without his badge and gun. I would call him a coward to his face. I see a security guard job in his future, if that.
As for you scumbags supporting the cop, (typing on your moms computer in your double wide) I hope your grandmother gets lippy with a cop and gets tazered, until death. It will only be unfortunate it happened before she sh#t your mother or father into the toilet that is your world. Now get back to cooking your meth.
June 12th, 2009 at 5:07 am
I hope he packs his lunch at home. If I worked in a restraunt in his town I would be giving him extra special sauces!!!!!
June 12th, 2009 at 5:30 am
If you live in this town, please please please laugh and point at this pig…he cant tase the whole town.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Are the police out of hes mind. Perhaps he need mental care or treatment.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:48 am
To counter this cop’s argument that he was going by the books, every officer is supposed to stay away from the highway, and clearly, he is standing almost right out in traffic. He is lucky he didn’t cause something worse to happen.