New York Judge Dismisses Claim Negligent Construction Contributed To WTC 7 Collapse

Con Ed receive $277 million less than the amount originally sued for in insurance case

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Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, July 31, 2009

A New York judge presiding over a multi-million dollar insurance case has dismissed the claim that negligent design or construction of WTC Building 7 contributed to its collapse, and in doing so has destroyed a key justification cited by debunkers in claiming that WTC 7 was not deliberately imploded.

Though the ruling by no means advocates any factor other than fire and debris from the twin towers as the cause of the collapse of Building 7, it does reject the premise that the diesel tanks stored in the structure contributed to the building’s destruction.

According to a report by James Glanz which was published in the New York Times on September 11, 2002 concerning diesel tanks stored in WTC 7, “The tanks contained more than 40,000 gallons of fuel to provide backup power for the city’s emergency command center, a Secret Service office and other tenants. A 6,000-gallon tank for the command center, which was on the 23rd floor, was mounted 15 feet off the ground near an elevator bank. It was cited as unsafe by Fire Department officials in 1998 and 1999, but the Port Authority has asserted that the tank and the structure met the city’s fire code and posed no special danger.”

Debunkers have seized upon the diesel tanks as a reason for the collapse of WTC 7 , the only steel-framed building in history to collapse from fire damage alone, considering it was not hit by a plane on 9/11. Despite the fact that diesel tanks being in the building do not explain its 7 second free fall collapse into its own footprint, debunkers have still clung to the issue as a sacred cow with which to try and uphold the official story.

However, a New York judge presiding over a 7-year long insurance case concerning Consolidated Edison has dismissed the claim that the tanks or faulty construction of the building contributed to the collapse.

Consolidated Edison and five of its insurers filed a $314.5 million lawsuit against the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in September 2002, charging that the tanks were improperly designed and maintained. The suit claimed that the tanks fed the fires that brought down WTC 7 and thus were a major contributor to its collapse which destroyed the New York utility’s substation on 9/11.

However, Judge Alvin Hellerstein on Monday ordered the Port Authority to pay Con Ed a total of $37,580,750, just over one tenth of the figure they originally sought, or around e $277 million less than the amount originally sued for.

Con Ed have only received one tenth the sum they initially claimed because the judge dismissed three of the four counts, counts one and two, the tort complaints of the second amended complaint, and count four, the reimbursement claims.

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The first tort claim was that “the Port Authority negligently designed, constructed, and maintained 7WTC, causing the tower to collapse and destroy the substation.”

The second tort claim was that “the Port Authority violated New York State and New York City fire and safety standards in designing, constructing, and maintaining 7WTC.”

Both claims were rejected by Judge Hellerstein, who dismissed Con Ed’s claim that the Port Authority was negligent in the collapse of WTC 7 because of a “connection with the construction or maintenance” of the building.

Con Ed’s claim that the damage to its substation resulted from the Port Authority’s “negligent design, approval, inspection, installation, maintenance, operation, conduct and control of 7 World Trade Center . . . and the diesel fuel tanks therein,” was labeled “redundant and not independently viable” by the Judge.

In count four, Con Ed claimed that the following factors contributed to the collapse of WTC 7.

1) inadequate fireproofing; 2) inadequate firestopping; 3) inadequate attachments between steel connections, beams, girders, and columns; 4) violation of New York City building code as to bracing of columns; 5) inadequate robustness, redundancy, and ductility; 6) failure to investigate and improve 7WTC after the 1993 bombing of Tower One; and 7) improper maximization of office space.

Judge Hellerstein dismissed count four in its entirety because, “There is no genuine issue of material fact as to whether these allegations, and proofs supporting them, would suffice to establish Con Edison’s claims.”

It is important to stress that Judge Hellerstein’s rejection of these counts is not a rejection of the premise that fire and debris from the twin towers was responsible for the collapse of Building 7, indeed that factor is later highlighted in the briefing as the cause of the collapse in the judge’s opinion, but Hellerstein’s ruling that the design or maintenance of the building did not contribute to its collapse is still key.

As we have previously reported, claims that WTC 7 was shoddily constructed and therefore more vulnerable to collapse are contradicted by the fact that the building was intentionally designed to allow large portions of floors to be permanently removed without weakening the structural integrity of the building.

In 1989, following their lease of the building from owner Larry Silverstein, brokerage firm Salomon Brothers spent $200 million dollars on structurally reinforcing the building, allowing “enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building’s structural integrity.”

According to a New York Times report, “MORE than 375 tons of steel – requiring 12 miles of welding – (was) installed to reinforce floors for Salomon’s extra equipment.”

What this amounted to, as the Times pointed out, was that WTC7, specifically designed to be deconstructed and altered, became “a building within a building”. An extraordinary adaptable and highly reinforced structure for the modern business age.

Of course, the evidence to indicate WTC 7 was deliberately imploded is voluminous and, though not the scope of this article, is covered in another report on this story by Jerry Mazza which can be read below.

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9/11’s smoking gun still smoking!

By Jerry Mazza

Consolidated Edison or Con Ed, along with five of its insurers, filed a “$314.5 million lawsuit against the Port of Authority of New York and New Jersey, asserting that huge diesel tanks in 7 World Trade Center, an office building that collapsed late in the day last September 11, were improperly designed and maintained. The suit charges that fires by the fuel in those tanks played a major role in the collapse.” Of course, this story was written by James Glanz and published on September 11, 2002, by the New York Times.

Wednesday, several months short of eight years later, Judge Alvin Hellerstein, in his courtroom in the Southern District US Court on 500 Pearl Street, the same Judge Hellerstein who also rules on the right of 9/11 victims’ families to pursue lawsuits [none yet] or hush money [over 7 billion so far], also ruled on Con Ed’s case and award.

To Con Ed, he granted $17,580,750, the remaining balance due after the Port Authority’s initial advance of $20 million of insurance proceeds, which is some $277 million less than the amount originally sued for. He dismissed counts one and two, the tort complaints of the second amended complaint, and count four, the reimbursement claims. To read his opinion, click here.

The original 9/11/02 story also claimed “The tanks contained more than 40,000 gallons of fuel to provide backup power for the city’s emergency command center, a Secret Service office and other tenants. A 6,000-gallon tank for the command center, which was on the 23rd floor, was mounted 15 feet off the ground near an elevator bank. It was cited as unsafe by Fire Department officials in 1998 and 1999, but the Port Authority has asserted that the tank and the structure met the city’s fire code and posed no special danger.”

‘‘The Port Authority has a longstanding policy that all of our buildings meet or exceed code,’’ said the Port Authority’s general counsel, Jeffrey Green, in a prepared statement. ‘‘In this case, the design of the diesel fuel tanks in 7 W.T.C. had the approval of the city’’ — and, ultimately, of the Fire Department, he said.”

The Times also added this key piece of information, “When 7 World Trade Center crumbled at 5:28 p.m. last Sept. 11 it became the only modern, steel-reinforced high-rise in the United States ever to fall because of a fire alone. The precise cause of the collapse has remained elusive, but fiery debris from the towers struck 7 World Trade. And in a study released last spring, federal engineers suggested that fires fed by the diesel fuel damaged structural steel in the building and led to its destruction.” But NIST’s mythic plot thickens.

The fact is that Tower Seven vanished in its footprint in six seconds at 5:28 PM on that day, after its owner Larry Silverstein announced at about 3 PM “that there had been so much bloodshed and pain, that ‘they’ had decided to ‘pull it,’” which is the classic term for an internal demolition. So it really wasn’t the first steel Tower in history to fall by fire. Whatever fires there were, were put out and did not bring Tower 7 down, even if it had burned all day, which it didn’t. What brought it down was the order to “pull it.” The hitch is you can’t set up an internal demolition for a 47-story, steel-frame building in two and a half hours, nor two and a half days or weeks. It takes months to carefully place charges through the structure, so that the first go off at the bottom, implode inward. This is done on each floor, so that the destroyed supports for the crushing weight bring the building down in a six second glide, the speed of gravity, into its own footprint, which is exactly what happened at 5:28 PM on 9/11/01.

Of course, 26 minutes before Tower Seven would fall, the BBC had announced that it had already fallen. A British anchorwoman, supposedly in New York, put her foot in her mouth, with an onscreen time code to boot, and a picture of Tower 7 behind her, as she suddenly went silent, we cut to the anchorman in Great Britain, who told us there were technical difficulties and we lost her. Could someone have known about all this in advance? Could it possibly be a conspiracy? If so, Con Ed certainly was screwed out of its substation, not to mention diesel fuel tanks.

If you doubt me, let’s turn to AE911Truth (Architects and Engineers for Truth), and their noted spokesperson, Architect Richard Gage, AIA, who has spent 20 years designing and working with steel frame buildings. Richard Gage created the 2008 DVD called 9/11: Blue Print for Truth—The Architecture of Destruction. Gage shows you exactly how Tower 7 would have to be worked on to fall as it did. It was the paradigm for Towers 1 and 2 in this regard.

The larger truth is that AE911Truth and its hundreds of members agree this is the technique used for Towers One and Two as well.

Another anomaly that has been largely unreported to Con Ed and the larger public, thanks unfortunately to our corporate media, though credit must be given to Dan Rather as he observes in Gage’s “Blueprint” and repeats several times that Tower 7’s sliding fall into its footprint greatly resembles buildings we’ve seen in the past internally demolished this way. In fact, Gage puts one of those buildings side by side with Tower 7. Their fall is identical.

I think that might even amaze Judge Hellerstein. Perhaps he would finally admit it as evidence to support 9/11 victim families’ wish for a new investigation of what happened on that awful day. He might not have to dole out any more hush money or put gag orders on my good friend Ellen Mariani, so that neither she nor her lawyer can say anything to anyone about what she believes occurred on that dreadful day she lost her husband Neil Mariani on Flight 175, which is very much like what Richard Gage is pointing to.

That also includes the presence of the explosives thermite and thermate found in the dust of Ground Zero at the site of each of the buildings that fell and as far away as Brooklyn Bridge.

These are high powered explosives that thanks to nanotechnology could have been aerosol sprayed into the walls during construction or work on the buildings. Along with the thermite/thermate, we have firemen’s eye-witness accounts of molten pools of steel under tons of debris, running in rivulets as in a foundry, as a result of the heat the explosives generated.

The airliner fires generated heat of some 1800 degrees, Fahrenheit. Professor Steven Jones, formerly of Brigham Young University, gathered samples of the Ground Zero and surrounding area dust and analyzed them. The thermite/thermate explosives would generate heat around 3000 degrees Fahrenheit, which could melt the steel. Again, many other scientists have seen the 9/11 thermite/thermate dust and agree with Jones. There is a DVD of Professor Steven Jones speaking about these matters on the first Richard Gage site as well.

All in all, this evidence if broadly seen and understood would change the entire nature of whether or not the 9/11 victim families would get their investigations and days in court, and if they could sue the government. Who could have possibly pulled off a scheme like this? Was it really 15 Arabs with box cutters? Osama bin Linden, with his laptop and kidney dialysis machine in a cave somewhere between Afghanistan and Pakistan?

My god, this would give Judge Hellerstein and the victims’ families an entirely different outlook, and all of us could reach closure if we knew how exactly and by whom this horrific crime was pulled off in the face of a $60 billion intelligence apparatus, the biggest defense department in the world, an absent (on that day due to anti-hijacking terror drills) network of jet fighters, radar, and the presence of every obstacle imaginable. It might even point to 9/11 being an inside job! Perish the thought, but it might. And you never know until you investigate. Hear that Con Ed, especially if you want back that $277 million you did not get.

The last but extremely important Tower 7 business was brought to us by Dylan Avery, writer/producer of Loose Change, along with co-producer Jason Bermas and Alex Jones of Prison Planet. The story’s hero is Barry Jennings, who worked for the Office of Emergency Management. He was Deputy Director in the Housing Department and a coordinator working in building 7. By his own repeated testimony on camera, he describes being caught in a huge explosion that ripped from the sixth to eighth floors inside WTC 7 after WTC 1 was hit but before Tower 1 and 2 collapsed on 9/11. Jennings testimony was given to the major media plus Avery and Bermas in an exclusive interview.

Barry Jennings also met Michael Hess, Giuliani’s chief legal counsel, not known to him before, on that morning, in that horrific situation. The bottom line is that after Jennings gave his forthright interviews, expressing his shock and disbelief, and which you can view now thanks to Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, he received death threats on his life and members of his family. Mysteriously on August 19, 2008 at the age of 53, just days before NIST’s white-washing report on WTC 7 was released, he passed away after several days in a hospital. Mr. Hess seems to have survived the catastrophe without injury. But then he didn’t give interviews or express opinions.

When Dylan Avery hired a private detective to inquire what happened to Jennings, the detective came back in short time, returned the money and said he never wanted to see Avery again. On further investigation, it turned out that Jennings family had abandoned their house and were nowhere to be seen. This too is the plight of a 911 victim’s family. But please, look at Barry Jennings Uncut for his precious information and dialogue with Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas. It is a piece of history.

Jennings last words on film were that no boiler explosion could have caused the damage he witnessed (he was an ex-boiler technician). The damage included the total ruin of the massive lobby. In fact, he found himself finally walking over bodies in the wrecked lobby and through an exit hole hacked by firefighters.

By then both Towers had fallen, and it was a fireman with a flashlight who had discovered Jennings and Hess, and lead them out to safety. So these events, of all things, remain the still smoking gun of Tower 7, a good reason Silverstein would have for demolishing his own building, and for protecting the larger conspiracy behind that day. Perhaps Judge Hellerstein would benefit by looking at all of this information before he tells one more victim’s family they can’t have a reinvestigation of the events of 9/11.

Perhaps, and this is speculation, Flight 93, slated for 8 AM takeoff to San Francisco from Newark Airport on 9/11, and stuck on the tarmac there for 41 minutes before take-off, was really slated to hit Tower 7 that morning. The Tower 7 explosion may have been pre-timed with its hit. Once Flight 93 missed the opportunity to hit 7, and since Towers 1 and 2 were already down by the time Flight 93 got off, it was flown towards the Mid-West and then turned back east.

As Paul Thompson describes in his 9/11 Terror Timeline, Flight 93, according to numerous eyewitnesses was shot down over a field in Shanksville, PA. Numerous eyewitnesses saw two F-15’s and a white military jet tailing 93. Witnesses heard the whistle of missiles, then saw the plane explode into a ball of fire in the air and its pieces fall to the ground like a “shower of confetti,” scattering within an eight-mile radius. Thompson found no evidence of Flight 93 diving into the open quarry and evaporating down the rabbit hole.

Again, I’m sure Judge Hellerstein would be interested in more than the major media myth’s story, which he repeats in his summary, that is, if he is truly looking for justice and not perpetuating a dreadful cover-up. But it all begins, in a way, with the still smoking gun of 9/11, Tower 7, which no plane hit that day, which did not fall from fire, but rather an announced internal demolition. Con Ed! America! Good luck to you all in your search for reparations and the truth. It’s there. It bears looking at.

Net, net, of all the major buildings destroyed at the WTC, Silverstein’s Tower 7 is the only one to have been speedily completed, built five stores higher, and somewhat wider than its first incarnation. Perhaps the $500 million in insurance profit Silverstein received had something to do with that. Money does talk even through smoke and mirrors.

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217 Responses to “New York Judge Dismisses Claim Negligent Construction Contributed To WTC 7 Collapse”

michael Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 6:43 am
Get a life truthers. Its over.

jash Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:11 am
There is nothing more rewarding in life than seeking the truth! Most people just believe what is spoon fed them. I suppose you will be queuing up for your swine flu jab, and believe the war on terror is for real and not about Empire, as it always has been. Muppet! Get some history books out mate!

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:42 am
Re-read your own post. You are being spoon fed lies about 9/11 being an inside job and you beleive it. That’s called being a sheep.

Seeking the truth is not the same as making shit up

reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:45 am
The 9/11 Commission didnt talk about this so it doesnt exist. FEMA would never lie. I trust the media and its corporate elite owners. I trust our political and military/intelligence elites as well. You guys are just unpatriotic and should love it or leave it. Beck rules!!!! Dems drool!!!!

Reconsux Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:46 am
Which is exactly what the govt. did – THEY MADE SHIT UP!

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:59 am
reconsux- So, what about the thousands of the worlds leading experts and their investigations in tot eh towers collapse? The majority of the experts who worked for NIST on these reports are NOT NIST employees but the worlds leading experts on these subjects. None of them think it was a controlled demolition and to assume they just lied and none of them are honest is a bit disingenuous at best.

lies Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:04 am
LIE. Reconmarine, a majority of the worlds experts in the field have not stated their positions publically, but out of the truly INDEPENDENT ones that HAVE, a majority have voiced doubts as evidenced by AE911TRUTH having over 700 members. NIST(who ARE government employed, they didnt do it for free you liar) has nothing close to that. And again, not independent anyway.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:53 am
Lies- Where did I say they did it for free? I said 125 were independent experts and 85 were NIST employees. You cant even lie right….

NO, the majority do NOT support the controlled demolition theory.

Would you like links to the peer reviewed papers, universities and other scholarly bodies ahve submitted debunking those claims?

King Ben Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Reconmarine, your dense… Why did the planes hit the buildings in the first place? Norad stood down? Why was ATC confused by the act of terrorists turning off transponders? Why did the buildings collapse at near free-fall speed and continue to collapse past the point of the aircraft impact? Why did both buildings collapse the same way when the impacts occoured at diffrent angles? Why did the government not save and protect evidence and treat ground zero as a crime scene? I can go on about more but these are just a few of the unanswered questions about 911. Why are there so many questions if the governments answers are so clear cut? Why do you assume everythings the way they say it is without researching? What is the diffrence between education and indoctrination, do you know the diffrence? Why do you believe corporate news and corporations telling you what to believe? Ok, I’m tired of writing to dimwitted people…

connecting dots Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:28 pm
oh man, you are unstoppable with your bullshit… the gubmint wouldn’t lie meme is priceless; you should write comedy.

Bill Cooper exposed and totally debunked Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 5:19 pm
BILL COOPER IS AN ONI OPERATIVE WHO LIED ABOUT UFOS AND MADE STUFF UP!

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Click here to read about Bill Cooper's lunacy Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Actual Quote:
from John Valez (prominent in UFO culture):

“There is a very real difference between honest and intelligent dissent and the lunacy (certifiable) that Cooper was responsible for spreading around. Let me share a little story with you, if I may, just to illustrate my point.

About four years ago Budd Hopkins, Greg Sandow and myself drove out to New Jersey to speak at an annual conference that is held there. It’s a two + hour drive. On the way Budd played a tape for us that was taken from his phone messaging machine. It contained a series of long distance telephone messages that old ‘Wild Bill’ Cooper had left for Budd.

Alfred, the _threats_ and the language he used to issue those threats was enough to send Budd to the police to seek advice as to how to handle the situation. Cooper was a certified looney. And, as has been borne out by his shooting of this poor law enforcement officer (in the head – twice!) a very dangerous nut as well. I have to tell you that just sitting in the car listening to his voice as he ranted and raved at Budd sent chills up my spine. It was spooky to me even as a third party, witnessing the depth of his insanity.”

READ MANY MORE TIDBITS ON ‘BILL THE SHILL’ COOPER BY DOUBLE CLICKING ON MY LOGIN NAME

thefreedomwriter Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
recon_petty sargent brainwash,
Let’s ignore the physical arguments for a moment…what about Able Danger? ASK ONE OF YOUR OWN…LT. COL. SHAFFER.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsM3oCsEJOE

FROM NEWSWEEK
“THREE OF THE alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.?known as the ?Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation,? according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source. ”

seriously???

USMC Grunt Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:57 am
—-Buzz Aldrin Reveals Existence of Monolith on Mars Moon—-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

Former astronaut Buzz Aldrin spoke about the future of space exploration and said the public would be interested in a monolith on Phobos, one of the two small moons that revolve around Mars.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library…

USMC Grunt Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:01 am
WAKE UP YOUR FUCKING RETARDS….THIS SHIT IS ALL REAL….OPEN UR FUCKING MINDS…..
HOW LONG DOES THE GOVT HAVE TO SPOON FEED THE PUBLIC ABOUT REALITY

Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:15 am
Michael, did you actually read the article? Maybe you should re-read this part “A New York judge presiding over a multi-million dollar insurance case has dismissed the claim that negligent design or construction of WTC Building 7 contributed to its collapse”

So basically the idea that negligent design or construction did not stand up in court. I’m still waiting for someone to explain how a building that was not hit by a plane fell in it’s own footprint at nearly free-fall speed. Still waiting. The best explanation I’ve seen is from these guys: http://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7.php . Read and learn.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:00 am
That site lies and misleads

Go read books about 9/11. Not the conspiracy theories, just about that day. You will see your questions answered and myths debunked…

Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
You are clearly a disinfo agent. How do I know? Because you say “that site lies and misleads” without stating anything specific. Also, you say “Go read books about 9/11.” yet you don’t mention any book titles. Go play in the road Recon, you can’t back your claims.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:17 am
Just DONT read Debunking 9/11 Debunking or Towers of Deception or idden History of 9/11. Or the Neils Harrit paper. I sure didnt. DO read books by intelligence officials and debunker websites. You can trust them.

Xenomorph Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:43 am
lol, books by intelligence officials and statements from your official sources are the best source for finding endless contradictions in the official version. It’s inevitable if someone takes your advice they will start to question things, there’s no way the phony debunker faction of people will ever win, if honest skeptics are smart enough to analyze and contrast what they discover.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
http://www.ae911truth.info/

If you are going to reply to me, make sure it is me and not the kids who pretend to be me because they are afraid to debate

King Ben Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Popular Mechanics is a great place to get info (sarcasm for the idiots).

global plantation serf Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:27 am
So murder has a statute of limitations huh?

Never Forget

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17186

wakeuptime Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am
What an absurd comment! Shall we all lay down and say truth is dead? That’s what you’re saying…. I know the globalists want it that way. But you’re not with the elite, despite what you may think. You’re drinking the floride too.

elwood Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 11:52 am
I like recons schtick. good for developing discernment. because today AJ was on the video section complaining about his FBI visit. and he had to say that he was against any form of violent resistance and employed the moron pot smoker line. i’ve used that line myself from time to time. I smokepot, no offense taken AJ, we must be as wise as serpents.

michaelmockingbird Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
You know youre on the way out,
Its just a matter of time.
You thought youd rule the world forever,
Long live the king, but dont spare the loser now…

Now the host emerges, and a shadow starts to fall.
Not one knows what hit them, none can see at all.
Even as the end approaches still theyre not aware,
How can you fight a foe so deadly
When you dont even know its there?
And now that the job is almost done
Maybe some escape, no, not even one.

You know theyre on the way out,
Its just a matter of time.
You thought youd rule the world forever,
Long live the king, and dont spare the loser

bye bye weed seed unfruitful tree/be gone..

Simon of Trent Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:15 pm
The distraction of the loopy, misdirected and outright dumb posts below articles is nearly outweighing the articles’ value and poisoning this whole site. If I were the writer of an informative, detailed and well reasoned article such as this and observed that nearly no one responded to it with comments that added anything constructive or made legitimate challenges, I might reconsider writing such articles at all. The effect is exactly what our owners desire; that is, total demoralization and frustration, distraction, and no positive synergy leading to any constructive action or awakening.

These comments either have to go or some kind of basic verification system must be instituted. Since I prefer maximum anonymity on the Internets I’d just assume PP eliminate the comments, assuming it’s a serious site.

STRAWMAN Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 12:57 am
if i had the money i would build a building and buy a plane. remotely fly the plane in the building and see what happens then we could answer this question once and for all. then the idiots who would say no foul was committed will shoot themselves in both feet. this whole thing stinks. i dare them to try it again and see how the people will react….

akachristian Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am
September Clues…on bliptv. Check those FACTS out…! No planes…no planes…no planes…digitized tv! Did I believe that when someone told me? NO…NO…NO…I took out 2 hours of my valuable time BEFORE I criticized the person sharing with me about there being NO PLANES!
Then I also checked Aviation Records for the day 9/11/01…I strongly suggest we NOT even give feedback to ALL of these govt. shills that come on the site just to be argumentative…and their claims can NOT be backed with anything credible.
They are here to distract from good honest truthers…that really DO care!
Reconmarine and so many others…are obvious at first sight!!!

bojinka plotter Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 5:55 am
I’d get a life, but I’d have to check in with big brother to see if he approves first.
Jim Lunsford Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 6:49 am
Get over it we were attacked by muslims who hate America. 911 IS A DEAD HORSE! QUIT BEATING IT.

CHRIS Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:00 am
JIM DUNSEFORD, you are an arrogant schill who do you work for the fbi cia.

Beat the dunseford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:01 am
You stooge get a life get back to your farm and mommy she wants you again.

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:04 am
Since you are the fucking moron falling for a retarded troll, guess who is the fucking idiot in this case? Jeezus! What a bunch of fucking idiots.

A little xxxx building music Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am
http://dopefm.mypodcast.com/200905_archive.html

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:08 am
Jims probably taking bong hits on the farm. This is another fake bitch pretending to be him as they will follow this with fake replies by ME

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:32 am
You agree with fake Jim Lunsfords simplistic notion of “they hate us, they hate our freedoms” bullshit though huh? “They” hate our invasions/occupations and our funding of corrupt regimes(Egypt,SA etc.). ANd “they” didnt attack us on 9/11 but were framed to fool people like you. Most of the “hijackers” have been proven to be either not who they were initially reported as, or as was the case of Atta obvious intelligence assets/patsies.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:38 am
Actually, they attacked us because they are religious fanatics who think the oppression their governments put on them is as a result of the west interacting with their governments.
Do you think they ahtes us because we feed them too? What about all the money and aid we give them? Does that piss them off too?

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Yeah, lets throw money at the problem while we prop up dictators and invade and kill tons of them. You are so stuck in your faux patriotic bullshit you cant see the damage thats done. Nothing but talking points and predictable excuses with people like you. Would it make it ok for China or some Arab country to invade us and “liberate” us if they threw some money at us in the process you colossal ass? How about if they pump tons of money into our elections to change the results to their favor? Would you like that? Thats what the leaders you blindly support do you fucking moron. “yes, arabs are scary to people like you and religious fanatics did it, thats the company line and you’re damn sure sticking to it since you have so much invested in it already and are too pussy to admit or confront how you;re wrong. You are too stupid to even know who you work for and why.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
Actually, I know more about this subject then you do and if you want to debate me, I would enjoy that. We can post the links here and let everyone decide….

It is funny you mentioned China…Why is it the Chinese allowed us to do 9/11? How come they aren’t saying anything about it being an inside job? We have turned that countries economy upside down in the wake of 9/11 and cost them trillions in weapons sales alone, yet, they haven’t said shit…..Why is that?

Oh yeah, you claim to have superior knowledge of geopolitics and the “truth” but then you go and compare Afghanistan/Iraq to the US…….

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:22 am
Is that REALLY your argument? That China would “tell on us”? Are you kidding? And I didnt compare, but unlike you I dont have shifting standards based on which country it is. You’ve been trained well(mentally by the media). And you insanely stupid man, what would cost China more? Weapons contracts? Like you claim? Or losing the US as a client state for much of its cheap goods? Not to mention the fact that we owe China trillions. This is really basic stuff. Geopolitics is NOT your strong suit, stick to fear mongering talking points about how “they hate us” tard. “But they lost weapons contracts!!!” Holy shit, are you really serious with this argument? LOL! Im amazed by your stupidity. Seriously, because you’re so sure of yourself then you go and make an inane and ridiculous argument like that.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:58 am
fool- Yeah your right. Russia and China have no interest in us stopping our missile shield or stopping our support for Taiwan. They really want the US to step out in front of them as world leaders in the name of the war on terror. China likes being in second. The billions they spend infiltrating our government and arming our enemies is just for show right?

Maybe since Im so stupid, you would like to debate me on the radio?

cue the excuses….

jk Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Recon, “you fool” just owned you. Seriously, how can you make such a hollow argument? Life isnt a video game.

president christian Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:33 am
Hey recon, hope your not falling for 911 was an inside job? All the info you have provided to diprove the 911 inside job therory was excellent before. Hope you can do some more…. As far as Jim Lunsford goes I think he writes to himself and plays with himself. They should leave his mom out of it though.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:56 am
PC- I have studied this subject more then most. Ive spoke to people at all 4 crash sites. My back ground in the special operations community and in talking to my brothers still in and at the highest levels of intelligence and spec ops, Ive picked this subject apart.

In no way do I think 9/11 was an inside job like these clowns do.

I think it was a much more complex and much more sophisticated attack then reported, but for multiple reasons, some good and some bullshit, they keep much of those details secret.
For example; The fact elements of the Pakistani ISI was supporting high jackers means they could have been using some extremely sophisticated equipment to aid the high jakcers. GPS’s, raidio jamming equipment,etc. If someone from Flight 77 called on the radio pretending to be a passenger, saying they had regained control of the plane, that would ahve bought the high jackers some time not to get shot down. If people were on the ground in DC, communicating with flight 77 high jackers telling them which targets were protected and which ones weren’t, then that would be helpful to them.

So, NO, in no way do I buy into these lies, but I do know we still don’t know the truth and I support a new investigation.

reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:07 am
PC, I believe in conspiracy theories when they point the finger at scary Muslims. I Think the ISI or some other scary Arab intelligence agency could have given the scary hijackers super equipment to puull off the attack. Im no hypocrite, promise. I think the scary Saudis or ISI helped. I used to think Saddam helped. Still do kind of. I trust my sources.

nader paul kucinich gravel Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:23 am
BOTH of our pet trolls working as a tag team once more:
Wannabe Reconmarine & president christian
Notice how much they care about 9/11?

Wall Street
Art students
9/11 snow job
Chicken hawks
Moving company
Propaganda media
DNC stealth neocons
Anti-semitism accusers
The chosen the superior
2-3% of the US population
Extortion blackmail bribery
By deception ye shall wage war
AIPAC’s Israel-first dual-nationals
For profit NotFederal NoReserve scam

Words are plentiful deeds are precious!

truth911 Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:22 am
i wonder what documents got destroyed and how much gold was under the towers where did it go and who rigged building 7 and why was several floors shut down for several weeks prior to 911

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:39 am
several weeks, try days.

it takes months to prep a big building and that’s with permission and without occupants and having to sneak everything past security and bomb sniffing dogs…

Good comparison though…

correction Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:53 am
Who ran security on the towers? Wasnt it an Israeli connected company that included 2 Bush family members on the board? Is Forbes a liar because his testimony doesnt fit your pre-conceived views?

Matt in MN Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:18 am
It takes months to rig a building with explosives? No shit.

Reconmarine, that’s laughable, do your homework sir. It was reported in mainstream media that bomb sniffing dogs were removed for sometime in the months prior to 9/11 (and other federal buildings). Also, there was elevator maintenance or ‘modernization’ that was taking place months before 9/11. Furthermore, there were massive power downs just days before 9/11 in which floor 50 and up were blacked out several times. All this stuff was in the news before and after 9/11.

It’s no secret that Bush’s brother and cousin had a hand in the security company that provided security to the world trade center.

The vast majority of people who criticize 9/11 tuthers are the actual crazy people, simply because they have not done the homework and research. If you are taking a test for college or school, you are going to do all the research and homework required to come to your decisions.

All these people who believe in the ‘official story’ haven’t done any of the research. Most people don’t even know what WTC 7 is! Now, I think anyone who has not researched 9/11 is an idiot, especially if they are out there making fun of 9/11 truthers.

Perform ALL the required research and then use common sense to come to a conclusion. Now, since the events of 9/11 are quite complex, it takes a long time to do all the research.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:25 am
correction-
The company you are referring to ran ELECTRONIC security, not physical security. Computers only.
Bush’s brother sat on the board and left that position in 2000.

Who’s preconceived views?

Try learning your own theories before you repeat them

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:34 am
Matt in MN-
Yeah, it takes moths and that’s under perfect conditions, without people in the buildings.

The mainstream media DID NOT report the dogs were taken out, they reported the security levels were dropped back down to normal levels after being at a heightened level because of phoned in threats. A bomb sniffing dog was killed in the towers on 9/11. His name was sirius.

Those “major power downs” were reported by 2 people and were not massive like you would like to think. Still, you can’t clandestinely prep a building, past security, past the bomb sniffing dogs in a weekend.

Bush brother sat on the board up until 2000 and that company did computer security, not physical security. This is basic stuff.

“Perform ALL the required research and then use common sense to come to a conclusion. Now, since the events of 9/11 are quite complex, it takes a long time to do all the research.”

Matt- Maybe you would like to debate me on the radio? email me at brownjj0@hotmail.com

correction Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:42 am
His cousin(Wirt Walker) DIDNT. Funny how you leave that out liar. FAIL AGAIN.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:59 am
Oh yeah, every major security operation can be superseded by flashing a family tree. Good logic!

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
And also keep in mind that you would need tons of explosives to bring WTC7 down the way it fell. Oh wait a minute… scratch that. NIST claims that one support column experienced weakening due to thermal expansion and that caused the entire building to collapse symmetrically at free fall speed. Hmm… OK, let me rephrase what I said. It would be very difficult to sneak one explosive charge into WTC7 and attached it to one column without being detected. Yes, very hard. Ahem.

The Other Mr T Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:16 am
#7 was the Solomon Smith Barney HQ. They were the biggest tenants in the building. They did most of the interior construction work in the building, since 1980’s. Many of their documents were in the building on 9-11. The rest of the tenants were mostly financial firms or public sector / intelligence agencies. #7 was NYC’s ’spook alley’.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:34 am
which would make it the toughest building in NY to sneak thousands of lbs of explosives into….

correction Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:43 am
It would make it the easiest if you are blaming people connected to american/israeli intelligence circles. WHo you no doubt trust fully, each and every member. Moron.

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:29 am
Watch Fox much fake Jim Lunsford? “the old “hate america” line is proof positive that you are brain dead.

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:16 am
I think the plethora of fake Jims and reconmarines are proof that Alex doesn’t take this web site seriously. If he did, he could guard against the trolls with IP adress blocks, have us verify by simple email registrations, and the like. It’s not like our emails aren’t here already. At least those that aren’t trolls anyway. But, until he does put in some simple safeguards like this, the fucking moronic pussy trolls will be the real winners here. Along with all the idiot zombie savior christians who believe all is lost and we should just suck the ass of the fascist pigs in charge, or the lizard alien nuts. Until then, this comment section is a joke, and all who visit the site must surely be put off by the fucking cornucopia of idiots.

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:27 am
Eh, I wouldnt dwell on it. Alex clearly doesnt pay attention here but theres no use giving them more attention. Like the guy John below who has responded to the fakes about 5 times now. Dont do it. I’ll take my own advice and try not to from now on. The “hate america”‘ line was too fucking dumb though….

Don Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:30 am
That’s a good point Jim Lunsford. I’m the person who commented below about Crooks and Liars censorship. I’m against censorship , but I feel kind of embarrassed to recommend this PP site to someone like my older sister because the level of discussion here on the boards below the articles is embarrassing. This site is like a dumping ground for taunts, teasing, cursing, ridicule, racial slurs. I do often wonder if there’s any monitoring going on at all. It’s like we are a bunch of young teenagers who are left in a school building in a run down neighborhood with no staff around. Let’s light up joints. Snort cocaine. I mean Crooks and Liars banned me from their site because I mentioned Alex Jones. Who is the site monitor here on PP? Anyone can write 911truthers live in LaLa Land…..dizzy out -of touch idiots. Alex Jones has schizophrenia. He’s after your money you Alex Jones Sychophants. Eat penis meat. And there is nobody here to monitor this. Makes me nervous about recommending this site to my older sister who is critical of my political viewpoints.

Matt in MN Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:31 am
Yet you keep returning to cry about it like a little kid. Well, if it’s a hobby for you and makes you happy then by all means, keep doing it. I could think of more constructive things to do.

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:00 am
And matt, I will continue to clog up this comment section until they do some form of moderation. For until then,this place will remain the breeding grounds of idiot fucking trolls. A simple email verification system would be enough to stop 99% of these fucking pussy trolls, and requires practically no money to do. Yet, it isn’t done. Until it is, or some system is put into place, I will post all over this goddamn site attacking trolls and you fucking idiots.

fEYEhada2MorEYEdcallitJimcrybaby Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light.
6:23 But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree can’t produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit
12:33 “Either make the tree good, and its fruit good, or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt; for the tree is known by its fruit.
12:34 You offspring of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
12:35 The good man out of his good treasure brings out good things, and the evil man out of his evil treasure* brings out evil things.
12:36 I tell you that every idle word that men speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
12:37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

12:38 It has been decreed throughout the land youre a fuckin asshole
crybaby wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

” can dish it out but i cant take it
i have to resort to vulgarity and threats because im so smart and youre not my equal…”"”

qwit pickin on me im telling my mommy

I wonder why his words burn you so badly…
after all you can ignore the comments but you just jump in there like the ravenous wolf that you are

go pick on buddah Jesus has been crucified for over 2000 years back the fuck off if you dont like it ignore it

show us all what a big man you are you ROTTEN APPLE/.

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
And ifIhadabrain, could you please make one comment that makes some sort of sense? So far, all anyone has been able to determine about you is that you really need to be under some sort of medication. Strong medication. Of the type that leaves you in a vegatative state. Forever.

warren buffett Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Jim It is what it is, it still beats watching Chrissy [i swallow] Matthews and Faux Noise.
Don Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 6:54 am
Sorry, this is not related to the WTC topic. I would like your opinions on this. Please read this message. I was banned yesterday from Crooks and Liars. I then sent an email to John Amato -the site maker :

Title : Why was I banned from C&L

Dear Mr. John Amato and/or Site monitor,

I have been enjoying C&L for many years. My user name was don rumsfeld hater and was later changed to livid. I am a seeker of truth. Your website has helped me a lot. Maybe a year after joining C&L ,I discovered Prison Planet….perhaps through a link someone put on C&L. I don’t remember. I have been reading both Prison Planet and C&L almost daily for a couple of years. A few hours ago I posted a link to PP on C&L’s discussion board. I was shocked to see www.************.com instead of the link to the article about the health care debate that I provided. From there -it snowballed. I posted many antagonistic messages on your boards demanding to be told why prison planet gets deleted. A couple of readers told me to send email to you. I know that C&L and PP have been in disagreement just like MSNBC and FOX but I was shocked that you are not allowing links to articles on PP to be posted on C&L. Can you please explain why. It makes me think that C&L is playing partisanship games rather than staying on the purpose of keeping the public informed about truth. Please write back. If you prefer -I can write to you directly from my PC address. I can also provide the link to the website of the company I own. I am not against C&L, but am in a state of shock over what I perceive as unnecessary censorship.

Thank you,

(My name)
Don Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 6:58 am
Me again. BTW I don’t know if Alex Jones would like this suggestion, but….anyway….how about some of you try posting a Prison Planet .com article link on the discussion board of Crooks and Liars and see what happens. Maybe you can demand that the C&L website write an announcement of which website links they banned and why.
nobody's ho Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:09 am
I bet that ol’ skinflint Silverstein syphoned off the diesel and sold it
Seek Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:19 am
It is evident that the towers were destroyed with explosives.

michael Says: “Get a life truthers. Its over.”
I say to you michael, this has great implication on all life including yours.

Jim Lunsford Says: Get over it we were attacked by muslims who hate America. 911 IS A DEAD HORSE! QUIT BEATING IT.

Open your eyes Jim Lunsford. Open them and see the evidence before you. Read your history and observe the similarity of this disaster and others from other nations that were taken over by greed.

Truthers seek the truth and will always seek it. the story of 911 will never die and never rest.

truth911 Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:29 am
ya know!!!!!!!

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:18 am
LIke I said before, the idiots who can’t tell who the troll is even though their comments are surrounded by mine, really aren’t doing much to help the credibility of this site. Alex, please put in some safeguards to make this site at least not appear quite so moronic in the comment sections.
Reconmarine Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:36 am
This entire subject is a joke and nobody takes it serious.

The evidence and facts have been laid out and most of you guys are to fucking stupid and lazy to read the reports. The reports the EXPERTS worked on for years. But, because some conspiracy theorist named Alex Jones doesn’t make money unless you buy into his bullshit theories, he will only show you half the story and even lie to keep his theories going.

* Steel framed buildings have fallen from fire alone.
*WTC7 was not just burning out of control, it was damaged by a falling sky scrapper.
* WTC7 was a progressive collapse and was predicted by many firemen and police on the scene (hence the collapse zone they created 2 hours before it fell)
* As much as you would like, it’s not reasonable or honest to write off the 125 INDEPENDENT and 85 NIST employees who worked on determining the exact causes that lead to the WTC’s collapses.

As important as all of this information and the NIST reports are, NONE of it matters. WHY? Because you guys don’t really care about the truth.
If facts and data come out debunking your claims, you say it’s lies, NIST are schills, they work for NWO, blah blah blah. All unsubstantiated bullshit. You guys will site the same sources when proving your points, that earlier have released information contradicting it. What is it guys? Can’t have it both ways?> Like the supposed “fake bin laden tapes” (none of the audio or videos of Bin Laden have been proven to be fake by the way) Loose Change use clips from the EXACT SAME VIDEO to show supposedly 2 binladens……..
This article above quotes a magazine saying “no steel framed building has collapsed from fire alone” as if they are structural engineering experts, and as if WTC7 wasn’t damaged by the falling sky scrapper hitting it. Total bullshit.

Flight 93 was shot down? really? Witnesses? Pictures of black smoke originating in the sky, at the shoot down altitude? Another lie

Thermate found in WTC dust samples? Another lie. What a coincidence the guy who has been trying to prove thermite was used in the towers collapse is also the guy who found themite….What a joke. Oh yeah, you can’t put “thermate or thermite” into paint and just have painters paint it on. It would drastically change the viscosity of the coatings, effect adhesion, particles would be destroyed by VOC’s and HAPS in the paint and most importantly, the paint and fireproofing was knocked off the steel upon impact.

Then they MISS quote “firemen s eyewitness testimony” of molten steel…..Was it molten metal or molten steel they quoted?

Lies, lies lies. It must be fun getting to make things up in life. Facts are facts kids.

Another telling factor, the lawyers trying to get the $500,000,000.00 probably would have used your “9/11 truth facts” to help get their money, but since they are so easily debunked, they didn’t and left $277,000,000.00 on the table….hmmm, that’s odd…Just like the Msulim lawyers defending terrorists. Im sure if your claims were true, then they would also use them to get their clients off the terrorism related charges…………but they don’t

Oh, the fact nobody will debate me also says allot about your own confidence in these theories…

Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:55 am
WTC 7 is the smoking gun of 9/11. Learn more here: http://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7.php

I challenge your debunk the FACTs (as in laws of physics) on the ae911truth site.

If you are unwilling to look at evidence with an open mind then it means you have another agenda. If the physical evidence supported the official story then I’d believe the official story. The physical evidence is what is driving the truth movement.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:36 am
Dilbert- Look at the sources of your “physical evidence” Do they have an agenda?

http://www.ae911truth.info/

Dilbert McGunnut Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:59 am
Yes, they do have an agenda and it’s right in the name of the group. They are Architects and Engineers for 911 TRUTH. TRUTH, TRUTH, TRUTH, that is what we want. The agenda is truth. The laws of physics represent TRUTH. Do you understand that? Do you want the truth or is your job to muddy up the waters?

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:04 am
There were not any laws of physics broke in the buildings collapse. Read their site, they lie and mislead everywhere. Why do that if you want the truth?

They repeat already debunked theories to fool new comers….It’s not truth seeking, it is rewriting the truth

fEYEhada2MorEYEdcallitRECONMANMARINE Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
WHAT IF PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES WERE PLACED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING

WHAT IF i HAVE THE PROOF?

RIGHT AT THE PLANE LINE I HAVE A PICTURE THATS WORTH A THOUSAND OF YOUR FALSE WORDS.

STARMAN Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:43 pm
THANKS FOR COMING BACK RECON YOU WERE MISSED BUT YOUR IMPOSTERS WERE NOT.
president christian/Truthteller/recon Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:40 am
Im OBSESSED and TERRIFIED of muslims. Its literally ALL I post about on this site. I come by, throw out some verses from the Quran(dont care if they are mistranslated or outright wrong. Im too dumb to care), call all muslims evil and shill for warmongers and profiteers. The “War on terror” and all its lies and disinfo worked flawlessly on stupid fools like me. Now I live my life in fear and demand daddy government to protect me from the scary arabs. If the media I blindly trust and the gov says “al qaeda” was behind something, I believe them. Im a model citizen as far as the criminal elite are concerned-im gullible as hell and dont have the brain capacity to see through the lies. Fear mongering works on me. Save me Cheney!!!!!!

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:38 am
Ive read the Koran, have you?

Ive fought in the war on terror, have you?

Ive captured and killed Al Qaeda terrorists, have you?

Ive done demolitions, specifically shape charges to cut steel, have you?

correction Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:45 am
The fact that you call it “the war on terror” proves the parody correct. Are there no stereotypes you dont play into?

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am
oh ok, well I guess it’s a bit easier then saying ” the war against people who use the tactic of terrorism to achieve their goals of turning the west into a sharia law run dictatorship”

Ill call it that from now on. Thank bro

deCap Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:43 am
Recon, your delusional wet dreams don’t count as fact….or was this when you were playin with your G.I. Joe action figures and limited imagination?

Kung Fu Grip FTW

Living in fantasy land FTL

Max Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Recons’s a fucking baby killer, the dude’s been over in Iraq and Afghanistan blowing up little kids, the dude has no soul!!!

fEYEhada2MorEYEdcallitRECONMANMARINE Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
THATS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF

leave anyone alive in fallujah?

genocidal maniac war good

oooo oooo ooo ahhh ahhh ahh ooo ooo ahhhhh ahh ahh monkey speak
for I was vaccinated withape dna now I have no soul
reconmarine Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:41 am
Im too dumb to see 9/11 for what it is and im too scared of and obsessed with super scary Islam to see the truth of terrorism in general and false flag and western terrorism in particular. I enjoy cable news and talk radio, and I read books by “former” intelligence officials who tow the “war on terror” official line. Al Qaeda is behind every attack that they are blamed for in my mind, no matter how flimsy the evidence. Obedience is honor. War is peace. I dont understand that last reference, as that book wasnt written by a trusted source…

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:39 am
Nice, Ive never said I was afraid of Islam or Muslims.

Just another truther twisting reality… Hey, it works on 9/11, try it on me

correction Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am
No, your blind devotion to “the war on terror” and blind acceptance of disinfo and propaganda says it for you.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:06 am
If you can debunk one of my claims do it, if not, your just talking shit…
pat klugh Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:47 am
lmao. michael and jim, you crack me up. why don’t take that time and energy you are using to insult and degrade us “truthers”, and put that into researching and informing yourselves. i mean, do you think we enjoy this or have nothing better to do than put stuff out there to be ridiculed by ppl like you? i, for one, could think of a lot of other things i could spend my time on, but nothing is more important than this, cuz our very lives are at stake here. i bet you two are falling for this swine flu hype and are gonna be lining up with your sleeves up and arms out to get the vacccines. wake up guys, instead of insulting us, start waking up your friends and families before they start dropping dead around you or are hauled off to fema camps, or just plain shot in the head.

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:19 am
Learn to read asswipe.
V008Mystery(9)-Resistance 9119 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:49 am
911 placed the prophetic military force in the literal land of Babylon and the literal fulfillment of the global mark of the beast system has been sealed in congruence with fulfillment of the literal New World Order fruition that defines the prophetic global reality now on Earth. The Earth now represents Lucifer’s dominion claim and is now the prophetic City of Babylon.

The prophetic Israeli Iran show (false ”peace and safety”) is about to take place and the prophetic plagues like AIDS and the new Swine Flu ”influence” etc… in combination with the 666 Citi Bank of Goldman $achs REAL ID mark of a man that ”buys, sells and trades” the prophetic ‘’strong delusion” defining the ”Mene Mene Teckel Upharsin” global economic inflation of corruption that is now found wanting as …the self devouring beast in the valley of the shadow of death. Even the prophetic signs in the stars are confirming the witness, Jupiter just got hit with an Earth size object just before the ST centuries longest solar eclipse, as the solar galactic winters solstice is now upon this generation etc… The ”Sun shall be darken” and the ”blood red moons” are also proclaiming the time at hand.

My friends, you must not provide labor for the prophetic economic inversion, you must now exit the prophetic spiritual City of Babylon by being sealed in agreement with the love of God in Christ. Now you must stand fast and do no harm. Do not accept the REAL ID, do not accept the Swine Flue vaccine, do not invest in this market and do not think to save your life by taking the life of any man. Just look up my friends, this is the prophetic generation that is now about to witness the fulfillment defined by the revelation of God in Christ.

The Truth is not a choice and it does not ”change”. Do not about the truth, the Constitution of your salvation. Be risen in agreement with the name of God in Christ.

BurroCaliente Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Hey, no thanks.

V008Mystery(9)-Resistance 9119 Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:24 am
No problem, forgive me I do not have a choice of course, the invitation is not meant to offer fear but the comfort of knowing that all those in agreement with being risen from this insane Novus Ordo tomb are chosen by the Truth, the meaning of life, freedom, liberty and justice for all, the love of God in Christ. Even if you reject the offer, the principle is perfect. Who is dumb enough to work in the fields of slavery and economic inversion even if one’s own wealth defines enough provision to remain in comfort at the expense of 100 million jobs? You do realize that 40 plus Trillion dollars worth of global GDP has devoured 100 million jobs and the expanding contraction is going to continue to devour labor because people are so lukewarm they will continue to buy. sell and trade a lie, don’t you? Yer not going to restore order by showing up to work the new world order Phoenician alter fire, that is the definition of strong delusion, corruption and not caring about anyone but your own short pathetic claim of dominion.

V008Mystery(9)-Resistance 9119 Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:52 am
woops, thats 21st Century and do not ”abort” the truth.
BurroCaliente Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:50 am
Sometimes they just collapse the fire was quite coincidental.
John Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
There should be a ban on this site from shadowing someones name, or an accual script that enforces it….Lunsford and Reconfag are bieng hijacked consistently now…the real recon is above this and no fakes so far, Lunsford was hijacked untill he pointed out the people shadowing his name are fools, I told you before Jim, though you dissagreed, people that HAVE BEEN ON THIS SITE for awhile CAN TELL the difference…

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:40 am
John- Why do you think they do this? What are they afraid of?
I thought they liked and approved dissent?

I guess facts are to hard to deal with…

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:02 am
John, many of the idiots who believe the troll is me have been here for a while.

John Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:21 am
No Jim, I understand the difference…it is very easy to do…

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:14 am
John, just because it is easy to do, doesn’t mean the majority of the commentators find it easy. Most are too idiotic to tie their own shoes without medical assistance. and believe me, many are fooled. Which has one worrying just how much flourine they did ingest?
"an eye for an eye".... Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
you people out here on this blog who use the vulgar language are only alerting everyone, with a brain that is, what you are made of and where your intelligence level is at. Think about it….and I don’t have to mention any names here….because everyone knows of whom I am speaking of…..please, grow up.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:44 am
people on here constantly lie about 9/11, disgracing those that died in the attacks and your talking about language being offensive?
‘
Are fucking kidding me?

mosto Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 4:12 am
how about the majority of the population who spell correctly and use nice language that think that nazi’s are confined to germans involved in killing jews from 39-45, but think its ok to torture because hannity says so and he’s against obama? Aren’t they way more spiritually vulgar than someone who says fuck or something?
pat klugh Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
and regarding 911, just ask yourselves one question. who benefitted? a guy who is supposedly been hiding in a cave for the last 8 years, or those who got the 3 billion or so in insurance from the twin towers? btw, marvin bush was the head of security for the place, and got a whole lotta money from it too.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am
pat- You are a fool.

Who benefited? Have you seen our economy?

Larry Silverstien LOST money on 9/11.

UBL and the high jackers had educations, degrees and pilots licenses perfect for 9/11

Marvin Bush was NOT the head of ANY SECURITY EVER. He sat on the board of the company that did the computer security for the WTC’s and left in 2000. Get a better understanding of your facts before you come back

Alex Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:01 am
I would like a link proving, not saying, but proving Larry lost money. thanks in advance. Oh, and like was stated above, you leave out how Wirt Walker(a BUsh cousin) DIDNT leave the security board when Marvin did. Get a better understanding of the facts.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:09 am
The security company DIDN’T DO PHYSICAL SECURITY….
You can’t flash a family tree and get everyone to help you plant thousands of pounds of bombs in a federal building.

Alex- Go look how much silverstien paid for the towers. Then go look at how much it cost to rebuild and repair the surrounding buildings. Then go look at how much he was awarded by his insurance claim.

Can you do math?

I dont have his bank statement sorry.

reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:00 am
Im retarded:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/.....stein.html
John Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:57 am
opps sorry…there is a fake recon at 7:41am
Orion Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:58 am
Obviously 911 is not “dead and gone” as millions of us are still seeking truth when we feel we’ve been lied to. WE WILL NOT LIE DOWN AND CONFORM as many Americans have. At the very LEAST their should be a new investigation into 911 and anyone with questions should support the Architects and Engineers for 911 truth at http://www.ae911truth.org Order and make copies of “The Blueprint” to give the public, they sell great postcard sized info handouts on the controlled demolition of the towers and building 7. Many Americans in my New England town know only what the media has told them of 911. 1 out of 5 people I approach are unaware that building 7 even fell so how can the public hold accurate assumptions about 911. Fellow non-conformist from Berkshire county MA

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:43 am
http://www.ae911truth.info/

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Oops, typo.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

That other site is just some spoof of the real one. Sorry.

global plantation serf Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:35 am
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17186
John Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:58 am
the recon at 7:36 is the real recon…im sure of it

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am
Shut the fuck up. Maybe it will go away if you just stop pointing it out.

John Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am
What?…ignore it and it will go away?…like I said, most people know the real Lunsford and recon from the fakes that troll here, but many people find their way here from links and other means, there should be a script here is all I am saying, I could post here in your name if I wanted and say something racist to discredit you immediatly…ill show you right now below….this is the whole point, a script…

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:47 am
yes….you are right and I am the fool….and by the way, I hate black people and think they should all be hanging from a oak tree….

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:02 am
I know you do reconmarine, you always state how much you hate black people and arab people.

you fool Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:08 am
point taken.
reconmarine Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:01 am
NIST paid a LOT of people to agree with them. I dont care that NIST is a government body that has been proven to be blatantly political in nature in the past(not just on 9/11 issues), I trust them over the 700 plus member group AE911Truth(who by the way are NOT paid by the government). Blind obedience is just a more relaxing way to live. Its also fun to pretend that ALex JOnes and Loose Change are all the 9/11 truth movement is, nevermind that most genuine 9/11 activists find both to be woefully soft on the overall subject of 9/11. And look at my stunning logic-None of the tapes have been proven to be fake. LOL! Just like they havent been proven to be real, anythign but. Cant prove a negative! And besides idiot truthers, check out THIS logic-if 9/11 was an inside job im SURE the elites and leadership in Russia and China would tell the truth because I think that geopolitics works in real life like it does in comic books and in movies like Red Dawn(I LOVED that movie-they should make a new one that demonizes muslims though and shows them invading the US like I fear so much.).

Matt in MN Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:28 am
How many professional engineers have stepped forward publically to agree with NIST, FEMA, and the 9/11 Commision Report vs. the 700+ against the official theory. Since you claim to have done “more research than most” on this topic, surley you can provide us with a vast list of names that support you view. I’ve done some research myself and only found 5 or 6 guys on government payrolls that publically support the ‘official story’ of 9/11.

Dave Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:34 am
****NEWS FLASH****
RECOMARINE SHITS HIS PANTS IN PUIBLIC AGIAN? YES ITS TRUE THE IDIOT WITH THE DOUBLE DIGIT IQ WHO WAS DISCHARGED FROM THE ARTILLERY MECHANIC POOL AT CAMP PENDLETON FOR POINTING THE WRONG END OF A RIFLE AT AN NCO TELLING HIM “I’M TOING TO FUCK ME UP”, SHITS HIMSELF IN PUBLIC FOR THE 106TH TIME, WHICH IS AN OBVIOUS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE 105TH AIRBORNE CORP.

HANG ON THE THJE CHARMIN FOLKS..THIS PUTZ IS A 24/7 TURD FACTORY……

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:12 am
Wow dave, Army units for a Marine?

Really got me there….

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:48 am
I was going to give a long reply but this is so stupid and illogical it does it all for me……

Thanks,

PS- The tapes have all been authenticated. (That means they are real)

reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:03 am
By who? The “CIA”? You trust them right? Blindly? If they SAY they are real, no proof needed, just their word right?

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:18 am
No, they have been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies around the world.

Voice recognition software isn’t something independent researchers cant get.

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am
By the way recon, you always say that this was too complicated a plot for our government to pull off. How come it is not too complicated for Al Quaeda? If they are so much smarter and better, how come we are not flying under a muslim flag now? AFter all, they snuck into all of our computer programs, zipped by our security systems, and with just a few box cutters outwitted NORAD and all the rest. In fact, they got NORAD to stand down for quite some time even though NORAD wanted to go shoot the planes down. The one plane shot down was done so despite orders,not because they were following orders.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:21 am
NORAD didnt stand down. Did they stand down when a severely drunk pilot stole a cesna and crashed it on the white house lawn?

It isnt that it was too complicated, it is that they could have never pulled it off without it leaking and people stopping it. To assume everyone in the government is either too dumb, to afraid or is involved is completely unrealistic.
It’s good they didnt shoot the planes down because some of the planes authorized to be shot down by Cheney, were not highjacks, they were just without comm.

Flight 93 was not shot down and there is no evidence to support that claim

Dave Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:25 am
Exactly Jim… careful ….more RECONMARINE brain turds about to arrive soon….

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:17 am
So, you are saying our govenrment could never have done it because it is too smart to be fooled by a few corrupt people, but that it isn’t smart enough to outwit some terrrorists with box-cutters? Did I get that correctly?

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:04 am
No, logistically, it wouldn’t be hard. Keeping it secret would be impossible.

Just look at everything that leaks. You can’t think that stuff leaks but this wouldn’t. That’s impossible.

There are good people in the gov. Every story leaked about illegal activity or abuse of power has been leaked by the good people who don’t want to see that shit happen. The same thing would happen with 9/11

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Recon, let me just relay a few proven government conspiracies that did work. Sinking of the Maine (explosion not a conspiracy, but the blaming of the Spanish was), Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, USS Liberty, Nuclear tests on Bikini atolls, The fictitious incident for Vietnam (brainlocked on the incident itself), and the list goes on for a very long time. These are the proven ones. This one is holding up less than the others because we have the internet. HOwever, itis not fallen down because the government controls the media and most of the scientific fields through grants. Not to mention universities and the like. There is no reason to believe that the same government that got away with torturing children in front of parents, torture in general, agent orange denial, etc, is telling the truth or is incapable of doing such an act. Especially since it only takes a few decision makers to control the whole thing.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Ok, I’ll admit. Flight 93 may have been shot down. I’ll give you that one.

http://projectcamelot.org/eliz…..ht_93.html

longshotlouie Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:33 pm
” http://projectcamelot.org/eliz…..ht_93.html ”

Bad Link, Try Again

CAPTAIN AMERICA(DON LEITNER) Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:15 am
JIM,RE-CON- MARINE, DIS, INFORMATION MAN SIMPLE SAID, A DAM LIAR,DID YOU KNOW JEB BUSH WAS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTOR’S WITH THE SERCURITY FIRM IN THE TRADE TOWER’S.REO-CON-MARINE HAS THE SANTA CLAUS SYNDROME, GET MAD AT THE PERSON WHO TELL’S HIM THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF THE PERSON’S WHO ARE LYING TO HIM(BUSH&CHEANY). REMENBER THE BIG LYING , DECEPTION MACHINE WAS IN FULL SWING. WHY? THE BIG HURRY TO RID OF MATERIAL FROM THE TRADE TOWER’S SENT TO CHINA(EVIDENCE). TO CHINA OF ALL PLACE’S BE IMPOSSIABLE TO RETRIVE! LOOK AT CHEANY HE STILL RUN’S AROUND LYING. AND WANT US TO PAY TO PROTECT HIM. I SAY STOP PROTECTING HIM, HE NEED’S TO START HAVING TO LOOK OVER HIS SHOULDER, HE MADE BILLION’S ON HIS LIE’S. WHEN OBAMA WAS SWORN IN HE WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIM, HE FEARED FOR HIS LIFE , THERE WAS MILLION’S OF US OUT THERE IN FRONT OF HIM. WHO HE HAS SCREWED ,LIE’S DECEPTION, DEATH (TROOP’S). HE DID’NT WANT TO BE AN EASY TARGET. I COULD SEE BUSH WAS NERVOUS TOO. TO YOU RE-CON -MARINE WHO DID YOU FIGHT FOR THE SICK NEOCON’S(BUSH&CHEANY). ARE’NT SUPPOSE TO BE SUPPORTING OUR (U.S.CONSITITUTION)&(WE THE PEOPLE). YOU HAVE LOST SITE OF THAT. OR YOU LIKE THE NAZI’S ARMY DURING WW2 FOUGHT THERE SICK LEADER HITLER. LOOK WHERE IT GOT THEM!!!!!! YOUR GUN SITE’S SHOULD BE AIMED AT ANY ONE WHO IS TRYING TO DESTROY OUR (U.S.CONSITITUTION) NOT THE PEOPLE WHO IT’S REPRESENT’S. THAT MEAN’S ME &YOU!BUSH& CHEANY TOOK AWAY RIGHT’S , WITH THE BIG LIE , WAR ON TERROISM. 8 YR’S IT TOOK THEM TO PUT OUR COUNTRY IN SUCH TURNMOIL,(AGENDA). LOOK BACK AT CHEANY HISTORY HE ALWAY’S BEEN IN SOME UNDERHANDED IN THE GOV. TRYING TO DESTROY OUR(U.S.CONSITITUTION),YES YOUR’S TO REO_CON -MARINE IF YOU ARE A TRUE MARINE YOUR ANGER SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT (CHEANY&BUSH) NOT AT US (WE THE PEOPLE) DID’NT PUT US IN THIS TERRIABLE MESS.( CHEANY&BUSH)DID WITH LIE’S&DECEPTION,PLAIN&SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:56 am
Hard to read with all caps.
raychill Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:06 am
trusted source?!?!?Obedience is to our God, and war is anything but peace. and your just to dumb to open your eyes, because if you think a plane can take down a building (wait, wait SEVEN buildings)that was meant to take way more of a beating then that, and ontop of that the ground heated up to 3000degrees!!!!! now if you know anything, you know that only a big mf bomb went off to make the ground that hot.and they told everyone in new york that the air was safe to breath, so that they would not scare the american people. when firefighters and there dogs started to drop dead from the toxic fumes. im not a sheep believing what they say on the news, and im not a sheep following someone who doesn’t care for the government. the proof is right there infront front of you, for example “why do they keep making up these bullshit stories in their favor?”
the Lords of Sacrifice(for Profit) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:35 am
ODIGO and the Weehawken Five and Kobe Alexander love the 9/11 debunkers. Just like the USS Liberty and immediately here in sold out AmeriKa they covered for their Homeland.
the Lords of Sacrifice(for Profit) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Maybe if Trillions had not Gone Missing at the Pentagon when Dov was running the show
we would nopt have been weakened Defence WISE. But who cares Tons of Experts cash in real BIG from their Failures.
the Lords of Sacrifice(for Profit) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:39 am
Big Intellgence agencies Fail BIGTIME so what go start BIG WAR PROFIT COMPANY.

Who CARES.
the Lords of Sacrifice(for Profit) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:41 am
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the Lords of Sacrifice(for Profit) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am
shhhh SECRET CLASSFIED not for civilians shhhhhhhhhhhhhh Ben Laden is hiding at
the Federal Reserve in DC. shhhhh it’s CLASSFIED Operation Makkeee Stockeee gooeee
Uppeeeee Cashy inneeee.
the Lords of Sacrifice(for Profit) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:48 am
JUst like all Wars HERE makee Investors RICHEEEEE. They deserve they Worked Hard for
The PROFITS. Vulture FUNDS LLC.
V008Mystery(9)-Resistance 9119 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:52 am
The heart of deception is ”a false offer”. 911 is a false offer of the ”invader”. Foreign and domestic enemies are at play and counter intelligence is the tool of ”choice”. The ”Truth” is not a choice and all you need to do in the case of 911 is look at the people that established the false offer. In order to do this just look at the call for a ”Pearl Harbor Event” and then look at the end result of 911. What do you see? What don’t you see? Well, ya don’t see a successful defense based on intelligence or communication, that’s for sure and that fact defines the dead on 911 and the fulfillment of the call for a ”Pearl Harbor Event”. You do see the most powerful military force in the history of man now in position to secure the energy rich Middle East, all nations and Israel and the global economy that now represents the corruption of the new world order global market. You have to be blind, deaf and dumb to dismiss the whole history of the financial globalists that have built this pyramid scheme of a market and to dismiss the defense measures that are used to sustain it now and in the efforts executed in the past. Sure, you can say there was no choice, in order to save the beast it was necessary to sacrifice people in the field, at WTC etc… and you can try to justify that tin soldier but, it does not change the fact that it’s an inside job defining the shadow banking corruption filling the ”moral hazard” cup of fornication with the wine of wrath that has inflated the self devouring murder suicide beast in the field.
BurroCaliente Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
Hey check out pravda today -the Russian gov. just banned Skype because the encryption cannot be unscrambled by law enforcement. Meaning they can’t wiretap the phonecalls on skype. The russians just abolished casinos too I wonder what is going on there.

Artyom Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 12:06 am
They didn’t abolish Casinos, they banned them from being everywhere. They now have designated regions like the USA. The Casino change was brought upon by wishes of the people.

Artyom Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 12:08 am
And the people lobbying for the Skype and ICQ bans are the phone companies here because no one uses their services and they are losing money. They are trying to make people use there services, That Is Bullshit.
Vulture Funds Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
Hey just cause you paid us to PROTECT and we screwed up who cares started Vulture Funds
LL and got rich. No profit in Protection.
dragon Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:55 am
quit fighting with eachother. recon and dunsford are here to stir shit up. keep spreading the facts though, never stop, it will never be a dead horse. what we need to focus our energy on is getting these traitor mother f’ers out of office one at a time. we have a small window of oppertunity to do this before we wake up one day to a communist amerikka! check out operationpitchfork.com its simple yet complex but we need to act fast and work hard. god bless you and god bless America!
P.S. Hang all Traitors!!!!!! no mercy

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:06 am
And you have no idea why I am here.

fEYEhada2MorEYEdcallitJimminiecricket Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pm
why are you here???????????????????????

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:46 pm
To hunt you down and kill you.
Vulture Funds Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:56 am
Hey guys how about that Flu.
the Illuminati Plantation continues Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:12 am
Operation Toilet Flush
the Illuminati Plantation continues Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:15 am
CFR = Communist Foreighn Relations
CZARS = Commissars
Billo Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:15 am
Those buildings were some of the strongest ever built. Of course it was intentional destruction. Any moron studying the physical aspect’s of the event should be able to determine that. It’s been established scientifically. We are all just quibling over exactly how they did it and exactly who was involved. The 9/11 event will be their downfall, we will never let it rest until justice is served.
the Illuminati Plantation continues Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:17 am
NWO = Super Rich Communists and Peasants
global plantation serf Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:25 am
277 million more reasons to believe the testimony of Barry Jennings:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17186

Barry Jennings passed away but his testimony lives on. Murder has no statute of limitations.

NWO AGENT 008 Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:10 am
Barry Jennings near the end of his life was being harrassed by the truth movement. They used his statements and distorted them without his permission. Barry Jennings was pretty pissed about it too…

Nice way to respect the survivors…Using them to spin your lies….

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Yes, I saw the rebuttal to the claim. It was the exact interview and statement Barry gave. No additions, just his words alone. Hard to spin it like that.
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July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
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the Illuminati Plantation continues Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:32 am
WHO in the hell would put a diesel Tank on top of a Building. That has to be the most dangerous thing in the NWO. But the NWO doesn’t fight the fires they are in the Bunkers
cashin in.
the Illuminati Plantation continues Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:35 am
Please stop using the word Conspiracy use the Word Operation. One day we will find out what the Name was. Operation “what”? Operation New Pearl Harbor maybe.
NWO AGENT 008 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am
This report is cute and all…But the NIST report refers to the fire BENDING the steel, not melting it (which the truthers seem obsessed with).

It also doesn’t reference faulty building codes as the MAIN cause.

The main cause was the gigantic fucking fire on the other side of building 7 (which 9/11 truth loves to leave out) in combination with a huge percentage of the tower near the bottom being scooped out, when it was hit with debris…(9/11 truth leaves this out too)

Why don’t you guys ever take these to causes into account? Why do you believe 700 shoddy architects, with bad credibility, over say, 1500 CREDIBLE architects and engineers that say your full of shit?

You guys really don’t have a leg to stand on. Even the Thermite, under peer review, was revealed to be nothing more than the same materials the building itself was made out of. How convienient for them to draw a conclusion of nano thermite based on evidence that can be easily explained as something very NON SINISTER…

longshotlouie Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Do you have any independent evidence to support your post?

Video, pictures, …. ?

Matt in MN Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 2:32 pm
“The main cause was the gigantic fucking fire on the other side of building 7 (which 9/11 truth loves to leave out) in combination with a huge percentage of the tower near the bottom being scooped out, when it was hit with debris…(9/11 truth leaves this out too)”

—That’s not left out, it’s mentioned in almost every book and movie on the subject and is questioned with pictures, video and witness accounts. What was it left out of?

—Why did the 911 report omit WTC 7 from the report and why did it take years to release the report on the WTC 7 destruction?

“1500 CREDIBLE architects and engineers that say your full of shit?”

—Where are these people, where is their info?

“Even the Thermite, under peer review, was revealed to be nothing more than the same materials the building itself was made out of.”

—The same materials? Where is this info or report stating this?
Steve Williams Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am
While all the blah-blah-blah goes back and forth, back and forth, why just not everyone call for the proper criminal homicide investigation to be done that should have been done but never was?

Witness testimony is gathered. Forensic analysis is done. So on and so forth. Eventually, the results are determined as to what actually happened.

Isn’t that the way things are supposed to be?
dWaRf mApLe Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:40 am
http://911essentials.com smells the beginning of the end of the NWO …. building 7 is their death card as it all begins to collapse on their world.

911essentials is a primer portal introduction to the New World Order Corporate Banking Police State, its plans for one world government and their worship of the fake science Eugenics.
Ex Sheeple Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:11 am
I suppose explosives in the construction must be negligent design Fault!!!

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July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am
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Max Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
The reason recon spams the 9/11 threads the most out of all the articles is because he knows where right and its his job weather he’s being paid or not to stop new people from becoming privy to this information, so mr. recon your preaching to def ears, 2+2 will never equal 5 no matter how much you try to to tell us that it does. And remember what goes around comes around…. the world moves in circles brother and the creator of the universe will have his way with you, you pathetic sad excuse for a human being!!
Tim Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I wonder if it matters to anyone who doubts that explosives were in those basements that I have scars from the outward hurdling debris. And please, save the “jet fuel came down the elevator shaft and decided to explode in the basement for some reason” non-sense. A backyard pyro can figure out that kerosene isn’t volatile in that way and that could never happen. Having lived it, I can tell you that the official story lies. I don’t know who did what, but I know that leaving out the fact that things were blowing up in other parts of those buildings and it had nothing to do with jet crashes is a cover up. My scars don’t lie and because of them, I will never forget.

Steve Williams Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Please tell us your story, either here or better yet on a blog somewhere as eventually this article will go off the active board at PP, and then tell us the link to where it is.

All testimony is important. Relate as much detail as you can remember. Too much is not enough.

jk Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:46 pm
If you are serious I would consider getting in contact with some news organizations. We all know the MSM wont listen but find some friendly alternative media that will.
Reconmarine Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Interesting read about Flight 93:

http://projectcamelot.org/eliz.....ht_93.html
Steve Williams Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I don’t care what anyone’s personal opinion is, I go strictly by scientific observation. And it’s observed that the effect goes way beyond the supposed cause. More energy was released than what can be accounted for by the official government explanation. So where did the excess energy come from? Effect has to match exactly and precisely to cause. Always. 100%. Not in the whole entire universe can there ever once be an exception to this.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Are you referring to the huge pools of molten metal at the bottom of the rubble that burned for weeks? That came from the kinetic energy of the buildings falling. All that energy was compressed at the bottom of the rubble and slowly released over time causing the molten metal. You need to take physics lessons my friend. Another truther debunked! Next?

JTCoyote Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Sorry Marine… even given the size of the buildings there wasn’t that much energy… but you can display your math here for us all so I can chew it up and spit it back at you… Any one who has attempted to start a fire rubbing two sticks together knows that you’re absolutely incorrect, and are just pushing your rippled muscular body around with no brains to back it.

It wasn’t just one building, it was three buildings… all with molton metal pooling characteristic of a demolition… including the residual micro aluminum oxide and iron spherules found at demolition sites where thermite cutting charges and drill and fill incendiaries are used. YOU are the one that needs a physics lesson…

JTCoyoté

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The buildings were massive and tall (over 1,000ft) and that means massive kinetic energy, enough to keep pools of molten metal burning for weeks, if not months. I don’t want to bore you with the math, but I assure you my equations do indeed add up. Please remove your tin foil hat my friend. Only a kook would believe 9/11 was an inside job.

longshotlouie Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:44 pm
“….but I assure you my equations do indeed add up.”

Not good enough. Need more than ‘trust me’.

akachristian Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 am
September Clues………………….WATCH both of the newer versions…no planes…no commercial planes………………MISSILES!

Hey JTCoyote…rock on mate!!!

My Springfeild XD Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Boy thats just funny, you must have got your education from Dr. Seuss books – fucking Reconmoron.

Lets just see those equations shall we……… No? Thats what I thought.

All cock and no blow – Retard marine

My Springfeild XD Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Kinetic energy – slowly released? Idiot!!!

The building fell within 10 seconds – all kinetic energy (by definition) would have been released during those 10 seconds and shortly after while the pile of rubble settled – any resulting heat would have been pushed outwards with the smoke and dust that you can clearly see in any video of the demolition of WTC7.

Can you come up with a better explaination now?

My Springfeild XD Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
You have only debunked yourself Recon…..

Steve Williams Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
“Are you referring to the huge pools of molten metal at the bottom of the rubble that burned for weeks? That came from the kinetic energy of the buildings falling. All that energy was compressed at the bottom of the rubble and slowly released over time causing the molten metal. You need to take physics lessons my friend. Another truther debunked! Next?

I morbidly find you amusing. And it annoys the crap out of me that I’m compelled by my sense of honor to giving you partial credit in my discovering a couple of seeks ago how things were created out of the fractalizing of the Uniform Field. Bizarrely, you helped unlock the secret of one of the most basic foundations of physics. At least I will get some consolation from the fact the other people will find it hilarious how your contribution happened. That was one of the weirdest days in my life. For so long I couldn’t figure out how fractaliztion knew how to do what it was doing, than poomph, I knew exactly how it was all happening. And you helped make that possible. Yep, that was a real damn strange day. And the fact that the sun was shining and birds were singing and bees were buzzing didn’t make it any less strange.

I’m presuming you’re the “real reconmarine”. You display that somewhat distinctively obsessive contrariness and smug dumbness that we’ve all come to know and not-love-so-well from reconmarine.

And, yes, to everyone else, I know I shouldn’t feed the troll. But I couldn’t help myself. Trolls are “just so CU-U-U-TE!” Not as cute as hobgoblins or brain-eating zombies, but still… Wouldn’t want the little critter to go hungry, you know…

Bwahahaha!

My Springfeild XD Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Good one Steve!! keep it up slugger -

jk Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Kinetic energy left the pools? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im saving this one retard……

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Explain to me how such a large commercial plane could make such a small hole in the pentagon. Also, how could it generate enough heat to melt titanium but not burn paper? I’m not a math person, so maybe you could help with those equations.

akachristian Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Please watch ‘SEPTEMBER CLUES’…just plug that in YouTube…or Google…or bliptv…NO PLANES…missiles………….but NO PLANES commercially…okay.

yeager Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:30 pm
“slow release” of kinetic energy.

Recon you really are a buffoon.

akachristian Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I don’t know why you waste your time here Reconmarine? I mean really…NONE of us real truthers believe you…and it seems like such a waste that you have nothing better to do with your day or your life…but this?
Pathetic really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

September Clues on bliptv…take a look see………….most all of us here that are the ‘real deal’……….not shills…not govt cointelpro freaks…………………..we’ve done our homework already……………….and can’t figure out why folks like you………don’t get a life???
Reconmarine Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Interesting watch about WTC7 sheds new light:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlxw9TZ_0Cc
tim Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Kinetic energy caused that melting, eh? YOU need to take the physics course then. But at least you acknowledge the existence of that molten metal, NIST doesn’t seem willing. But your reasoning is false. I would say “good try”….but it really wasn’t.
Reconmarine Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Oh and don’t forget to take your swine flu shots!!! Don’t be stupid. Everything Alex Jones says is false. The vaccines are safe. I’ll be first in line to take mine, you cowards.

My Springfeild XD Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Oh please do!! Take two shots even!! You can even have mine too.
Rob Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Still does not confirm implosion, rather than explotion that destroyed the 7th tower.
However time will give its own unbiased verdict.
Bray Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:33 pm
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
Reconmarine is a punk ass bitch Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 3:40 pm
nuff said
Publius Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Asking 9/11 Truth partisans to abandon their efforts to bring the guilty to justice for this mass murder is like asking folks to grab their ankles and accept vigorous buggering. Given the massive amount of interlocking evidence directly repudiating the government’s Official Conspiracy Theory, one wonders why non-truthers have so eagerly grabbed their ankles…and encourage others to do likewise.

Reconmarine Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I like to get fucked. What can I say?
longshotlouie Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
We are blessed to have Reconmarine and his buddies here to save us.
Surely we must appreciate that they go out of their way to show up here daily, because they care.

Not
Richard Clark Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Bob Dylan Retains Same Illuminati Law Firm as George W. Bush in Fifteen Year Plagiarism Law Suit. Also suppresses Plaintiff’s First Amendment Rights acquiring a protective order designating all video taped depositions that are incriminating to Dylan confidential

Bob Dylan & his law firm acquired a confidentiality order in a fifteen year plagiarism law suit designating all discovery materials including fifty hours of incriminating video taped depositions as confidential suppressing Plaintiff James Damiano’s first amendment rights to warn the public of Judicial favoritism and corruption.

Camden NJ June 2, 2009 -Few artists can lay claim to the controversy that has surrounded the career of songwriter James Damiano. Twenty-two years ago James Damiano began an odyssey that led him into a legal maelstrom with Bob Dylan that, to this day, fascinates the greatest of intellectual minds.

As the curtain rises on the stage of deceit we learn that CBS used songs and
lyrics for international recording artist, Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan’s name is credited to the songs. One of those songs is nominated for a Grammy as best rock song of the year. Ironically the title of that song is Dignity.

Since auditioning for the legendary CBS Record producer John Hammond, Sr., who influenced the careers of music industry icons Billy Holiday, Bob Dylan, Pete Seger, Bruce Springsteen and Stevie Ray Vaughan, James has engaged in a multimillion dollar copyright infringement law suit with Bob Dylan.

It is judicially uncontested by Bob Dylan and or Bob Dylan’s law firms Manatt, Phelps & Phillips , Parcher Hayes & Snyder, Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, Heck Brown and Sherry and Sony House Counsel that Bob Dylan and people in Bob Dylan’s entourage have solicited James Damiano’s songs and music for over ten years and eleven months, as per the law suit.

District Judge Jerome B. Simandle states in his decision “This court will accept as true Plaintiff’s allegations that Sony represented to him that he would be credited and compensated for his work if Dylan used it. Judge Simandle also stated in his decision “Plaintiff has demonstrated a genuine issue of material fact as to whether defendants had access to his work.

http://www.jamesdamiano.com/

Richard Clark

uslawjournal@gmail.com

Jim Lunsford Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Richard; fuck you asshole spammer
Mr. AJ (Not Alex Jones) Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:29 pm
It is nice to see that the truth is finally coming out and those that were involved are running scared. Since it is evident in some of the post on this topic and the day is very near when the people who truly are guilty will finally pay for their crimes.
Illuminati Order Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:42 pm
You have no idea what the Illuminati Order is that’s coming…

http://www.AlienTrend.com
Deprogrammer Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 pm
First of all, anyone who believes we made to the moon is just as retarded as those that think 9/11 was created by CIA operative Tim Osman (Osam Bin Laden).
Look at the video shots of the moon. It literally looks as if you could just run right over and jump off into outer space. Even if you were to film yourself riding around in the mojave desert on an ATV you couldn’t get that effect of looking like space is just right there. You would see desert and no end to it. Yet the video shots of the moon look like there’s outer space…just right there. Bullshit. the moon is a whole lot bigger than the Mojave desert and i gaurantee you that you wouldn’t see the edge of the moon into outer space. The moon is lit up much more than just some dark desert plain…It gets daylight just like we get…it isn’t THAT FAR AWAY!
And what about the VanAllen radiation belt, how did the astronauts get through that without cooking as if in a microwave?
If that’s not enough, it took years of preparation to get the astronauts off of earth yet when they take off from the moon it’s just a small pop and off they go into outer space. I DON’T THINK SO!
I could go on and on, but all in all………………………
The moon landing was a hoax and so is everything else this fucked up American government is telling you about 9/11!
Deprogrammer Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Now just to be clear. I know we’ve been to the moon, probably very frequently, but the video of it back in ‘69 was total bullshit!
Epiphany Says:
August 1st, 2009 at 4:32 am
I had pieced together some years ago, after reading the Popular Mechanics conspiracy debunking article, a time line error in someone’s story. The person in the article described being (If I am recalling correctly) a FEMA expert who was attending a conference in Bozman, Montana when the planes hit. According to his story, a fighter jet was flown from North Dakota to pick him up and take him to NYC where he arrived at a time that suggests the fighter plane left to get him BEFORE the planes hit the towers. Granted, fighters can fly super-sonic, but not for very long. And the distances for the flight are substantial. Bozman and NYC are well beyond a thousand miles apart. For a fighter to fly such a distance would require a carefully regimented speed to maintain fuel efficiency. And unless it was an SR-71 spy plane, would not be able to travel super sonic such distances.

This was my small contribution to the many who sift through the 9-11 “official” story and find errors and obvious lies.
Photo Says:
August 1st, 2009 at 6:05 am
Humanity is not built on the premise of love and peace,
but is molded around the Political pockets you grease.

With “P.R.” firms choosing who to sit on our thrown,
leads me to believe that they’re not working alone.

If the political puppets have masters that we do not see,
then lies, deception and illusion is the way it shall be.

Wall Street’s been rigged from the day of conception,
with help from the schools to change your perception.

The training you’ve received has been part of their game,
you’re part of a puzzle and the Masters are to blame.

They created a system of extraction and control,
and that’s the way it shall always be “so we are told”.

Do you have another choice except to follow the crowd,
you certainly do and would make your forefathers proud.

Pull your money from these banks that were to big to fail,
buy food, gold, guns and ammo and we may just prevail.

No matter which route you choose to ride this great wave,
there will be thousands if not millions that meet their grave!

Good luck to the true Americans……..Photomaineac
tom Says:
August 1st, 2009 at 8:20 am
I remember when it came on the news that a plane hit the pentigon and I saw the pictures live on tv , I was wondering where the plane wreckage was , not one piece was seen. I have told my wife if your plane Is going down go to the tail section . The tail always survives a crash but there wasnt any plane parts not even a tail or engine there. At the time I thought that was strange. Yes 9/11 was staged , you would have to be a moron to think otherwise. Our gov has been invaded.

akachristian Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am
September Clues on youtube or bliptv…just check out for yourself…I am a ‘die hard’ skeptic…and did NOT believe NO PLANES…now I do.
We should just not believe whatever someone says…WE have the responsibility to check out these things for ourselves…good job mate!
shaggy Says:
August 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
2 all u fulls who r fulled by the media…..all i can say 2 u is this…..in 2days world there r weapons more dangerous than nuclear weapons or standing armies cuz it brainwashes people…it is the most dangerous weapon in 2days world, cuz controling ur brain n the way u think is more powerful than using regular weapons….the other new weapon is the economy, if u know alot in economics then u’ll know what i mean

u ppl who r debating whether 9/11 was an inside job or not, i only have this advice 2 u…..DONT U EVER TRUST THE MEDIA
worldcitizen Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Reconmarine : I – AND many others find it a little strange TO SAY THE LEAST – that you have been stupid enough to continually make comments on this website for – ONE MONTH SOLID without bothering to change your name, or explain your motive for doing so. THIS IS VERY STRANGE BEHAVIOUR. why would you come here – because you like doing so ? i think not – because you get paid to do so …