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  • NIST Concludes “Fire” Caused WTC 7 “Collapse” when FEMA Report Concluded Fuel Tank Explosion had “low probability” of Knocking Down Tower

    Arabesque
    Sunday, Aug 24, 2008

    NIST has finally released their final report into the collapse of Building 7, which collapsed inexplicably on 9/11. The New York Times quoted Sunder who said, “[The] reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery… It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.” Earlier, Sunder was scratching his head, saying, “We’ve had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7.” Similarly, the collapse baffled FEMA who lamely concluded, “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence.” In other words, despite the fact that FEMA claimed a diesel fuel explosion would have been improbable, NIST is now asserting that mere “fires” knocked down WTC 7? As NIST admits, this would be the “first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building.” A 9/11 blogger named Buru Dragon comments on NIST’s press conference saying:

    [A] reporter appeared to temporarily stump Sunder with a very basic but perfect question. Throughout the presentation Sunder spoke about building seven as if it were particularly susceptible to collapse by even moderate fires because of the design. However Sunder would later go on to explain that it would require a very large amount of explosives to bring it down by demolition… “if the buildings were so vulnerable to collapse due to regular fires alone, wouldn’t they also be equally vulnerable to failure with just a small number of explosives?” Sunder… proceeded to stumble through some convoluted explanation for why only fire could be responsible… [seeming] caught off guard and uncomfortable.

    If this wasn’t bizarre enough, NIST took 7 years to reach this conclusion. Jim Hoffman commented in response to FEMA’s original report:

    People who have seen buildings implode in controlled demolitions are unlikely to be as challenged as FEMA’s team in understanding the cause of Building 7’s collapse. They will notice, upon watching the videos, that Building 7’s collapse showed all of the essential features of a controlled demolition.

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    Because of this, many are openly disputing NIST’s explanation. Raw Story explains that “As federal agency declares ‘new phenomenon’ downed WTC 7, activists cry foul“:

    Richard Gage, founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and a member of the American Institute of Architects, doesn’t believe a word of the theory. His group, which has swelled to over 400 architectural and engineering professionals, immediately responded to the Institute’s claim in a press conference…. “Tons of [molten metal] was found 21 days after the attack,” said Gage in an interview with a Vancouver, Canada television station. “Steel doesn’t begin to melt until 2,700 degrees, which is much hotter than what these fires could have caused.” “There are holes in this story that you can drive a truck through,” Gage added during the press conference. His group asserts that thermite, a steel cutting agent, was used to bring the building down.

    The press conference by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is available on their website. In an article entitled, Conspiracy theorists ‘not swayed’ by WTC7 explanation, Raw Story also quotes Richard Gage who explains that molten metal was ignored by the NIST report:

    FEMA found [molten metal]… Dr. Steven Jones found it, in the dust that landed in the entire area of lower Manhattan. And he finds it in the chunks of previously molten metal [from the towers].

    Jim Hoffman’s website 9/11 research addresses this phenomenon of molten steel mentioned in the FEMA report (but completely ignored and omitted in the new NIST report), writing:

     The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused ‘intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.’ The New York Times described this as ‘perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.’

    In response to NIST’s report on Building 7, 9/11 blogger George Washington pokes fun at their explanation saying:

    NIST has solved the mystery of WTC 7, explaining that a brand “new phenomenon” was discovered, namely, that “thermal expansion“… NIST also discovered another new phenomenon it calls “fire“. (NIST explained that fire is hot)… which led to the “thermal expansion”.

    How impressive could this “thermal expansion” be to explain the collapse of WTC 7? We can only turn to NIST who explain helpfully, “At any given location the combustibles needed about 20 minutes to be consumed.” To put this in perspective, WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20 p.m., many hours after the fires were started. The collapse was not entirely a surprise apparently, as some news organizations were reporting it collapsing before it collapsed. :

    Quoting expert opinions and contradictions in NIST’s explanation, George Washington also writes

    NIST said fires alone brought down Building 7, but other office fires have burned longer and hotter without causing collapse… NIST [said]: ‘No blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses.’… What about this, this, this, this, this and this?… why were there residues for high-tech explosives at ground zero (and see this)?… what about the pools of molten metal at ground zero for months? And why was the at and under the ground at the site of WTC 7 as hot as the ground under WTC 1 and 2? why didn’t NIST address the obvious pre-knowledge (and see this) by everyone around and well in advance that 7 was going to come down?

    John Doraemi describes the NIST report as being written in “bad faith”:

    With the release of the NIST final report on Building 7 we can safely say that the government remains committed to the ongoing cover-up, and that crucial evidence was simply ignored… Most relevant to the WTC7 building investigation is that all of the steel [which they now attempt to use computers to simulate...] was disappeared from history, and melted down in Asia — ILLEGALLY — and without any justification whatsoever. Bad Faith is that NIST deliberately misled the public by claiming that “140 decibel” explosives would have been required to take out support columns, knowing full well that evidence of incendiary material (thermate) was found, which produces no such noise.

    How indeed could a building be more likely to collapse from small offices fires than from pre-planted explosives? Further to this observation, the New York Times, quoting WTC 7 building owner Larry Silverstein explained that like most modern structures, WTC 7 was reinforced to survive structural damage: “We built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building’s structural integrity.”

    Barry Jennings, who was in WTC 7 on 9/11, claimed that he was stuck inside of the building after a massive explosion and that firefighters tried to get him out of the building before either of the twin towers collapsed.

     

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    35 Responses to “NIST Concludes “Fire” Caused WTC 7 “Collapse” when FEMA Report Concluded Fuel Tank Explosion had “low probability” of Knocking Down Tower”

    1. vein Says:

      Might I suggest that we remember something significant here. The official conspiracy theory has addressed WTC7 numerous times before the NIST report, most notably when the zionist Popular mechanics gave a full ‘explanation’ for its collapse. My point is that every ‘explanation’ given was completely DIFFERENT from the last.

      For years, the jewish controlled mainstream media explained to their readers that the 911 truth movement was “insane” because Popular Mechanics had proven, with its panel of ‘experts’ that stored fuel supplies in WTC7 were responsible for its collapse. Now the NIST report is out, the ‘fuel theory’ is described as completely idiotic.

      WE IDENTIFY A LIAR, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE PROVE THE LIAR’S STORY TO BE A LIE, THE LIAR SIMPLY SAYS “OH YES, WHAT I ACTUALLY MEANT TO SAY …”. (In England, by the way, the police allow a women claiming rape to change her story when they prove her original accusation was impossible. The consequence of never dismissing false allegations is that the UK, rightly, has very low rape convictions. This is an unfortunate situation for genuine victims, and illustrates the consequences of allowing lies to pass as truth when politically convenient.)

      You cannot win by arguing against a powerful liar. You must instead seek to strip power from the liar.

    2. Gregory Fegel Says:

      I will ‘Never Forget’ the first thought that came into my mind when I saw the television images of the Twin Towers smoking on the morning of 9/11/2008.

      That thought was “Damn those Israelis.”

    3. ShenK Says:

      Neo-con are just a cover up name, the real name is “Jewish Criminal Network”. US has alot of duo-nationality Israeli\American persons all of them Jewish that holds key high jobs and high positions within the US. This is why US is a big friend of Israel. This is why 4000 Jewish were told to stay away from WTC on 9/11 through Odigo. This is why when the USS Liberty was thought to had been attacked by Egypt the US immediately sent backup, however minutes later US found out it was Israel who attacked and not Egypt and only after 16 hours rescue were sent. Around 40 sailors killed or more and 100 wounded and 3,000 machine gun holes on the USS Liberty.

      The level of control of this network is so twisted that they also have people in high places in other countries and currently rule them. Before the election of 2000, there was known to be a concern regarding the president election and the effects it would cause on 9/11 plan. Fortunately someone heard the conversation between the criminals and heard one of them say “Don’t worry, we have people in high positions, they will take care of everything”.

      There was or still is I’m not mistaken a Nationality Act on the US when I don’t know that tells that if Americans indulge themselves on foreign politics or they have high jobs on foreign countries they would eventually lose US nationality.

      The so called Sayanim are Israeli that volunteer themselves to help Israeli mossad whether it’s by spying ( by the way Israel has had done more spying on the US than any other so called US ally) or meddling in monetary and politics affair and so on.

      For more info check out

      http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1565381

      it explains everything from the bottom to beyond

    4. Gomes Says:

      Three buildings collapse straight into the ground as if by controlled demolition. Even though it seems strange, the apparent explanation for two of them is that they were hit by passenger planes. Okay, what about the third building that collapsed in an identical manner but was NOT struck by any planes? Now the collapse of the other two buildings looks even more suspect. Taken all together, any other explanation besides purposeful demolition becomes absurd.

      My point is that if they would have stopped at the collisions and just let the buildings burn natuarally they would have had their pretext for war(s) and they wouldn’t have been as susceptible to being found out.

      It turns out that Jews aren’t as smart as they have tried to portray themselves. But they may just be as overreaching and avaricious as all the stereotypes suggest.

      Larry Silverstein, Mossad, etc., you have fucked yourselves and your bastard nation with your utter stupidity and hubris. Because of you, the Jews will now live in infamy until the end of time, surpassing even Nazi Germany in ignominy. What an ironic twist.

    5. Gregory Fegel Says:

      Discovering the truth about the US government’s criminal behavior, both in the past and in the present, causes many Americans to experience ‘cognitive dissonance’, and denial is common for these people. It’s like discovering that one or both of your parents is a serial killer.

      Many, if not most, Americans now recognize that the US government’s rationale for the Iraq War, which has already resulted in the deaths of more than 4,000 US troops and the deaths of more than 100,000 Iraqis (by the most conservative of estimates), was based on lies that were generated by the CIA, the Pentagon, and the White House.

      To those who doubt that the US government would have perpetrated the 9/11 attacks to create an excuse for the Iraq War, I ask this: “If the US government would lie to start a war that has killed more than 4,000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis, why would you assume that the US government would not also stage the 9/11 attacks to provide an excuse to launch that same war of aggression?” I seems pretty naive to me to think that the US government that lied to start the Iraq War would not also commit the 9/11 attacks to provide an excuse to start that same War.

      9/11/2008 was not the first time that the US government staged a false flag attack on US citizens and US troops to provide an excuse to launch a war of aggression. In 1898 the US government blew up its own battleship, the Maine, in Havana Harbor, killing 266 US seamen, in order to create an excuse for the USA to launch a war of aggression against Spain, in which the USA siezed control of the Spanish colonies of Cuba, Peuerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines. Photographs of the Maine’s hull show that the explosion came from within the hull, not from the outside, proving that the US government’s ‘Official Version,’ which blamed a Spanish bomb attack for the destruction of the Maine, was a lie.

      – Gregory Fegel

    6. Heteon Says:

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    7. Mike Says:

      Excellent article. But, we still have lame brains posting here who just can’t get their mind around jet fuel/building combustibles not being resposible to liquify the steel, which was logged in the FEMA report, as well as the material Dr Steven Jones examined which had evidence of oxification and sulfication. Oh well, maybe if these mockers teeth fall out, they might believe hard and long enough to conjure a tooth fairy to reward them for their hard work of misconceptions

    8. Thomas Jefferson Says:

      Book of Isaiah, Isaias
      … sent a detachment to ravage Juda; Jerusalem, closely invested, was saved only … for theirs is the greatest guilt; nor shall the women of Jerusalem escape (comp. …
      mb-soft.com/believe/txs/isaiah.htm

    9. Doug Plumb Says:

      It looked like a controlled event, so therefore it was a controlled event. A random event can never look like a controlled event. Buildings do not COMPLETELY collapse due to random damage.

      A controlled event like this required explosives, therefore it very likely was an inside job.

    10. Steven Says:

      “What we do in life , echoes in eternity” so said Russell Crow in Gladiator.

      The only amusing part of the NIST also known as ” The National Incompetence of Stupid Tards” is that this report is now not only a matter of record, IT IS NOW A PIECE OF HISTORY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      The joke is on them folks even though we will probably never hear the truth in our lifetimes. Remember that when Kennedy was MURDERED by LBJ and the JEWS, the official information that the Warren Commission utilized to come the “magic bullet theory” was sealed for 75 years by a supreme court justice! That guarantees that anybody that WAS INVOLVED AND GUILTY AS HELL, would be long dead dare anybody know the truth.

      Fuck these assholes. Until our species blows itself to hell these motherfuckers will always be know as; “the cunts that created the thermal expansion theory” that dropped building #7. HA!

    11. Steven Says:

      Hey Fagel;

      Will you write some bullshit of your own! Stop looking for stupid shit that others have written and then claim its yours. Those of us that know your dumb ass know that you write like an idiot. However, when you plagiarize others work………..

      Oh fuck it. Do what you want you douche. While your at it please clean a loaded weapon!

    12. zionists've had a lot of practice Says:

      Can’t rule out incendiaries, as a yellow-hot spill was seen pouring from WTC1.

      Don’t buy into the tables that say 1200-1205 C (Celsius) is “white hot” either. I’ve seen pics of molten iron (over 1500 C) where it is being poured and glows orange. Google image search “Iron is poured.” The spill from a thermite reaction is yellow in glow and it’s around 3000 C. Take a look at any blackbody simulator or color-temperature chart (use a temperature conversion calculator to get from C to K degrees) and they show 3000 C as yellow hot, 1500 C as orange-hot, and 1200 C as red hot.

      As far as column 47 goes, there’s no way, with all the other columns and their cross-links in-between, that its failure propagates to create a preceding collapse of the “penthouse” roof out-building.

    13. zionists've had a lot of practice Says:

      As noted, as far as column 47 goes, there’s no way, with all the other columns and their cross-links in-between, that its failure propagates to create a preceding collapse of the “penthouse” roof out-building. This also precludes including the penthouse in the collapse timespan, as NIST has presumably done.

      As far as thermite or thermate goes, I don’t know if Dr. S. Jones is using tables suggesting 1200-1205 C is white hot, but if he is, he apparently should reconsider. It may apply in some unusual conditions, but not outdoors without sensor light saturation. So far I know of only one source for the 1200 C or 1205 C “white” glow claim, and that is a small consulting firm for the oil-refinery industry, headquartered close to DC (their initials are P.A.of A.). The oil refinery business has nothing to do with using such a table, so it makes virtually no sense for them to publish such a table, whether it’s inaccurate or not.

    14. Carl Says:

      Apparently NIST has officially embraced “cartoon physics” to explain away impossibilities
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_physics

      Its the ol’ “saw off the tree branch and the whole tree falls down” phenomenon, as applied to buildings.

      It really is 1984….
      “In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.”

    15. Read Me! Says:

      LET’S STOP DISCUSSING WTC 7 !!!

      WTC 7 is a RED HERRING designed to distract us from exotic weaponry!

      WHY ELSE would Larry Silverstein say they “pulled it”?
      WHY ELSE would PBS broadcast Silverstein’s “pull it” statement?

      The “truth movement” is being controlled:
      Lenin, the first Communist dictator after the takeover of Russia in 1917, is widely credited with the following quotation, “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

      THE MOST OBVIOUS INSIDE JOB PROOF:

      Magnetometer data from alaska.edu shows the earth’s magnetic field shifted with every 9/11 “event”. This includes the plane-shaped holes appearing in the towers. The World Trade Center was destroyed with directed energy weapons. See this analysis by former Clemson University Professor of Mechanical Engineering Dr Judy Wood for info on the magnetometer data:
      http://drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin5.html

      Not many know that a major hurricane – Hurricane Erin – was in the Atlantic Ocean in September of 2001. In fact, Erin was closest to NYC, and at its largest size, on 9/11 itself. Interestingly, the National Hurricane Center projected Erin to be stronger than it projected Katrina to be four years later. Shouldn’t they have prepared the upper-east coast for this major storm? Weather reports at JFK Airport indicated rain! The day after 9/11, Erin made a sharp right-hand turn (over 90°) away from NYC and back out to the Atlantic. An astronaut in the International Space Station commented on the WTC smoke plume, but made no mention of the monstrous hurricane next to it. How come? Those interested in learning the secret between hurricanes and Tesla Coils should see Dr Judy Wood’s new paper “9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects”. She presents evidence suggesting Erin was part of the mechanism used to turn the Twin Towers to dust. The paper is chock full of photos and analysis and is highly recommended.
      http://drjudywood.com/articles/erin

    16. CB Says:

      The cointel on here is so dumb and fake. You don’t need a magnometer or some weapon from outer space to destroy the world trade center, with what you could clearly do with some explosives. Even the white house is not that dumb.

      Stop posting lies, just to confuse people. And even if we don’t know how the towers were exactly brought down, we already have enough evidence to prove who were the criminal accessories to it, and who decided to cover up the truth. We don’t need science fiction to explain basic elementary. Physics pretty much has proven much of the answers. And be careful of what links you click on here in this forum.

      A lot of them are ways to track and identify people’s information by bringing you to government servers, designed as truth movement websites.

    17. CB_Brooklyn Says:

      CB
      August 24,2008

      The cointel on here is so dumb and fake. You don’t need a magnometer or some weapon from outer space to destroy the world trade center, with what you could clearly do with some explosives. Even the white house is not that dumb.

      Stop posting lies, just to confuse people. And even if we don’t know how the towers were exactly brought down, we already have enough evidence to prove who were the criminal accessories to it, and who decided to cover up the truth. We don’t need science fiction to explain basic elementary. Physics pretty much has proven much of the answers. And be careful of what links you click on here in this forum.

      A lot of them are ways to track and identify people’s information by bringing you to government servers, designed as truth movement websites.

      =========================

      I am not the author of the quote above, but did post the previous comment under the name “Read Me!”

      The poster who I quote above (”CB”) is acting just like a perp (and might actually be one) by using my initials.

      The poster is also an obvious hook line and sinker victim of a PSYOPS. It’s not a matter of what WILL destroy the towers, it’s a matter of what DID destroy the towers.

      The poster tries to trick people into thinking that I said the weapon was in space. The poster lies.

      The “truth movement” has fallen hook line and sinker for this explosives nonsense. Explosives CANNOT explain the evidence.

      Directed energy weapons can explain the evidence a lot better than explosives can.

      The 9/11 perps WANT the “truth movement” to promote the explosives nonsense. Why else would Van Romero, who made presentations about directed energy weapons at the Directed Energy Professional Society, say it could have been done with a “relatively small amount of explosives”?

      Let’s grow some brains people!

      Wake up and realize the perps WANT you to promote explosives.

      The economy is getting worse and worse!

      WAKE UP!

    18. CB_Brooklyn Says:

      The 9/11 perps don’t give a damn if people think WTC 7 was a controlled demolition.

      IT IS THEIR PSYOPS!

      Anyone who has given my article a thorough read knows why:

      The 9/11 Truth Movement,
      Free Energy Suppression
      and the Global Elite’s Agenda
      http://www.checktheevidence.co.....;Itemid=60

    19. CB_Brooklyn Says:

      Our economy is getting worse and worse.

      The world will soon be a fascist police state unless the truth movement wakes up.

      The 9/11 perps created Lenin-inspired distractions for the “truth movement”:

      -Able Danger – This is a PSYOPS, there were NO hijackings on 9/11

      -WTC 7 – Why else would Silverstein say it was pulled?

      -Molten metal – there was none. It is a PSYOPS:
      WTC Molten Metal: Fact or Fiction?
      http://www.checktheevidence.co.....;Itemid=60

      -Steven Jones – worked with exotic technology at Los Alamos. Discredited free energy research in the 80s.

      -Bob Bowman – former Directed of Star Wars (What is this guy doing in the truth movement???)

      -Greg Jenkins – His 2000 research was funded by the NSA. (How many scientists get their research funded by the NSA?)

      THE REAL TRUTH OF 9/11 – THE PERPS WANT THIS KEPT SECRET:

      -Directed energy weapons
      -Hutchison Effect
      -Magnetometer Data
      -Hurricane Erin
      -Holograms
      -Computer Generated Images

    20. Thomas Jefferson Says:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction

      Does anyone actually what the secret is? It only works in a free society for poverty to be abolished, a fact promoted by Jesus Christ in various sermons on liberty, freedom, and poverty.

      Reasonably, it’s arguable that good never overcomes evil, hence Jesus given a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death…http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=369

      Did you ever heard the old saying, “Tell the truth, and shame the devil?”

    21. Thomas Jefferson Says:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction

      “If the Universe manifests abundance at a mere thought, why is there so much poverty, starvation, and death?”

      I probably can answer this. It would take a while.

      “He has taken princes from their thrones and exalted the lowly. He has satisfied the hungry with good things and sent the rich away with empty hands” (Luke 1:52-53).

      “God blesses those who are poor, for the Kingdom of God is given to you. God blesses you who are hungry now, for you will be satisfied…What sorrows await you who are rich, for you have only your happiness now. What sorrows await you who are satisfied and prosperous now, for a time of awful hunger is before you” (Luke 6:20-21, 24-25)

      http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.....us-faq.htm

      John chapter 8 Jesus said of himself, “Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. . .”

      When Jesus died, one of the criminals that was hung with Him recognized both His godliness and his sinlessness when he rebuked the other criminal and said, “‘Don’t you fear God,’ he said, ’since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.’ Then he said, ‘Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.’ Jesus answered him, ‘I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise’” (Luke 23:40-43).

      As George Orwell, ruefully pointed out, LOVE IS indeed HATE. Or he was a big fan of Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan, “There must be some way out of hear, said the Joker to the thief…”

    22. Thomas Jefferson Says:

      PS…….It’s actually illegal nowadays to practice Christianity, it’s not like they know what the heck it is.

      George Orwell: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

    23. Thomas Jefferson Says:

      “Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.”
      ~ Jesus

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/whitehead1.html

    24. Thomas Jefferson Says:

      An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.

      Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Melish, January 13, 1813

    25. Mahatma Gandhi Says:

      If we practice and eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, soon the whole world will be blind and toothless.

      Mahatma Gandhi

    26. FreshMeatz Says:

      7 Years and they state it is fire, Wow feeling that Red White and Blue dick getting shoved up countless numbers of citizens ass’s would be astronomical. Of course it fell from fire you fucking idiots, after the whole crew that ran that staged showing of stupidity had to torch the offices and equipment used to cover their ass’s, place yourself in the same position and think tank your way though this. Very possible and excusable denial does not exist.

    27. Venus Says:

      I don’t forgive the rape jokes, the abortion jokes, nor should anyone one should forgive the pro-child rape jokes. Oh, and the forced abortion jokes.

      And if I hear the word lame cherry again coming from any one of the paid shills by the neoncons……….well, that’s why women shouldn’t joke for dolts.

    28. Venus Says:

      And don’t try threatening my family members either. One of them nearly died on 9/11, and it’s distasteful.

    29. Nephyts Says:

      Did you just call my child the missing link?

    30. Gomes Says:

      This one goes out to all the posters who are pushing the “CG planes” and “directed energy weapons” theories. Think about it, even if what you are proposing is true (honestly, I think you read/watch too much sci-fi. Sorry.) you will NEVER convince the public. I mean, people have a hard enough time just swallowing that their own government was involved, no matter how obvious it is. It’s too horrible for them to accept.

      It’s taken the movement a long time to get this far. People are beginning to penetrate the fog. Your far-out theories only give them an excuse to label us “nuts” and withdraw back into the protective fantasy that everything is all right.

      If you really want to see justice done, save your ideas for when people are ready for them (whatever works for you). But, if your real intention is to harm the movement, by all means continue. Nothing I or anyone else can say will stop you anyway.

      By the way, holy S**t with all the text, Building Six.

    31. Gomes Says:

      I watched Missing Links last night. It seemed to be just a touch on the racist side, but besides that I think it was an excellent movie. I don’t think someone has to hate Jews to appreciate the extent of Israel’s involvement in 9-11. The truth is the truth no matter who says it.

      Watch the movie!

    32. Heyman Nationwide Says:

      NIST is soooo full of shit! I watched the bullshit from a NIST puppet on C Span two days ago. Speaking on Building 7. This clown, read a script, probably written by Karl Rove. Sickened me. I knew these criminals were going to TRY to cover up the whole mess before they exit in January.
      And I will tell anyone who wants me to forget about 911? Go to hell! I’ll never rest. Until there is JUSTICE.

    33. John N Says:

      The reason that NIST says that fire caused WTC7 to collapse is to prevent the alternative news media from saying that no building before or after 9/11 has collapsed from fire. We the alternative media must continue to use this phrase, because obviously this phrase, that no building before or after 9/11 has ever collapsed is a thorn in our murderous government side.
      We must disregard the finding for the crap that it is and always remember that the US government murdered 3000 of its citizens to start a war which has led to the death of millions more so that a handful of the richest people in the world could become richer and more powerful.

    34. Gregory Fegel Says:

      Look, loser truthers, if you have a scientific rebuttal to the NIST report, present it…with all relevant calculations. If not, quit drinking Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet, Infowars Kool-Aid. You’ve had your chance for 7 years (7 years!!) to do something about the evil, murderous, criminal U.S. Government and you FAILED to take action. Go back to being losers and typing on message boards.

    35. newfy777 Says:

      was baking cookies last night and experienced some thermal expansion when the kitchen stove melted and collapsed into its own footprint..what a fricken mess..melted chocolate chip cookies and melted,collapsed stove all over the kitchen floor and just a couple weeks ago had a Coleman stove do the same thing..the kerosene fuel must have got the stove too dam hot..must have left the stove on too long[30 minutes]? it must have expanded thermally and melted the flimsy steel as it collapsed right into its own footprint right there in the midle of the woods!


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