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NIST WTC 7 Report: Shameful, Embarrassing And Completely Flawed
NIST Claims “New Phenomenon” Occurred For First Time Ever In Collapse Of WTC 7
Yet fails to address why ground zero workers and media outlets had prior knowledge of an “extraordinary event” never before observed an hour in advance, plus myriad of other ignored issues
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, August 22, 2008
In its final report on the collapse of WTC 7 that news outlets are reporting “puts 9/11 conspiracy theories to bed,” NIST claims that the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion” was to blame for the destruction of the building, a completely ludicrous conclusion in a report that simply ignores eyewitness testimony and hard evidence that points to the deliberate demolition of the structure.
NIST completely fails to address prior knowledge of the building’s collapse, including why news outlets like the BBC and CNN reported that the building had collapsed an hour before it actually fell, as well as firefighters on the scene who are heard on video saying, “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon.”
If the collapse of WTC 7 came as a result of a “new phenomenon” and an “extraordinary event” that had never happened before in the history of building collapses, then why did news stations and ground zero workers know it was about to happen a hour or more in advance?
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This on its own completely destroys the very foundation of NIST’s assertion that a “new phenomenon” was responsible for the collapse.
Which is the more likely scenario - that ground zero officials and media outlets got word that the building was going to be “pulled” - or that they employed clairvoyant powers of deduction that enabled them to foresee an event that had never happened before in history to a building that was structurally reinforced and had suffered limited fires?
NIST claims that the collapse of Building 7 is “The first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building”.
We are actually being asked to believe the impossible - that WTC 7 was the only building in history to have defied all precedent and suffered a complete and almost instantaneous collapse from fire damage alone, despite this being an impossibility if one accepts the basic laws of physics as accurate.
The issue of molten metal, which was discovered under both the twin towers and WTC 7, suggesting an extremely hot burning agent was used in the demolition process, is completely ignored in NIST’s report, despite it being acknowledged in Appendix C of FEMA’s World Trade Center Building Performance Study, which stated:
Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel… The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.
Speaking during a press conference that was called to counter NIST, Richard Gage, founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and a member of the American Institute of Architects, dismissed the report.
“Tons of [molten metal] was found 21 days after the attack,” said Gage in an interview with a Vancouver, Canada television station. “Steel doesn’t begin to melt until 2,700 degrees, which is much hotter than what these fires could have caused.”
“There are holes in this story that you can drive a truck through,” he added, citing NIST’s claim that no evidence suggested loud explosive booms accompanied the collapse of the building by reminding that Thermite, a steel cutting agent, makes no explosive sound.
Even aside from this argument, there were numerous close proximity eyewitnesses who reported loud explosions, including NYPD officer Craig Bartmer and ground zero first responder Kevin McPadden (who also experienced the countdown before the building fell), but this fact was again simply ignored by NIST.
“FEMA found it,” said Gage. “Dr. Steven Jones found it, in the dust that landed in the entire area of lower Manhattan. And he finds it in the chunks of previously molten metal [from the towers].”
The core of NIST’s explanation, that an “extraordinary event” called “thermal expansion” was to blame for the sudden total collapse of the building is of course on the face of it a fraud when one considers the innumerable number of buildings that have suffered roaring fires across the majority of their floors and remained standing, whereas WTC 7 suffered limited fire damage across a handful of floors.
NIST also claims that the building only fell at 40% free fall speed, as if this isn’t suspicious in itself. Remember that this 47-story behemoth took just 7 seconds to completely collapse within its own footprint falling through the path of most resistance.
As the George Washington blog points out, “NIST said that WTC 7 fell at 40% slower than free fall speed. But it collapsed a lot faster than it would have if the structural supports were not all blown away at the same instant. 40% slower isn’t very impressive — that’s like arguing that a rock falling through concrete 40% slower than a rock falling through the air is perfectly normal.”
The George Washington blog has compiled a list of experts in structural engineering and demolition who have all questioned NIST’s conclusion. None of these individuals were approached by NIST to partake in their final report.
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The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. … I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable.
- Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here).
- Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
“Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition”
- Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:
“Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds… ? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust.”
- Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:
“WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?”
- A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded
- A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed “does not match the available facts” and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
To claim that the collapse of WTC 7 is “no longer a mystery,” as chief NIST investigator Dr. Shyam Sunder stated yesterday smacks of a desperate attempt to proclaim the authority of the official story by mere words alone, when in reality NIST’s laughable “new phenomenon” claim, the latest in a long line of changing explanations for the obvious demolition of Building 7, only heaps more embarrassment on NIST and makes the official 9/11 story look more untrustworthy than ever before.
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August 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 am
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McMcMeaty Reply:
February 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Whoever wrote this article is retarded. The building was bulging, cracking, and creaking all afternoon. And was showing symptoms of collapse.
Everyone knew it was going to collapse. Doesn’t mean they knew HOW it was. Idiot…
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:21 am
To:
http://wtc.nist.gov/contacts/
NIST ContactsGeneral Public and Technical Professionals:
NIST World Trade Center Investigation Team
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8610
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610
Phone: (301) 975-6051
Fax: (301) 975-6122
Email: wtc@nist.gov
News Media: Michael E. Newman
NIST Public and Business Affairs
Phone: (301) 975-3025
Fax: (301) 926-1630
Email: michael.newman@nist.gov
Contact Information for the National Construction Safety Team Advisory Committee
The National Construction Safety Team Advisory Committee will consider information provided in writing or in person at its meetings, time permitting. To contact the Advisory Committee:
NCST Advisory Committee
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8610
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610
Phone: (301) 975-6051
Fax: (301) 975-6122
Email: NCSTAC@nist.gov
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August 22nd, 2008 at 4:21 am
NIST just came out with the report that after all these years… it was fire that “pulled” WTC 7. I was hoping that they would clarify at the press conference whether that was normal fire or magic fire. I’m sure they must have meant to say magic fire because that explains why hundreds of witnesses that day were there for the countdown. Normal fires do not get countdowns because no one knows for certain when the building will collapse but with magic fires there is always a wave of massive magic psychic energy that allows bystanders to just know the exact second of the building’s demise, hence the countdown to it’s fall. Normal fires cannot burn hot enough to melt or even weaken hardened steel in such a short time and in fact in the real world we’d have to have controlled demolitions to accomplish a symmetrical collapse but you always know a magic fire when you see one because even if the fire is so weak it can barely make it over to the other side of the building - it will always fall straight into itself by… magic!
Another giveaway is the lack of pancaked floors. When REAL buildings collapse they leave behind layers and layers of pancaked floors. Only in magic fires do the floors just pulverize into pixie dust. I must also say that there are several people going around saying that they’ve seen squibs going off in videos of WTC 7 but at magic fires it’s not squibs, it is in fact… fairy flatulence. Just another set of miraculous, golly-gee-whizzz, magical/scientific facts from those magic people at NIST.
NIST’s biggest magic trick is that they made $20,000,000.00 of YOUR tax money disappear and they still live and breathe! In a real world, where people really care about truth, I believe that nooses would swing from trees. Could it be that a lot of people are under a spell? Maybe they inhaled too much… pixie dust? Gotta be magic. We’ve got invisible WMD’s, bigfoot in a freezer, and magic fire!
And for an encore… Mr. Diebold will pull a president out of his magic hat just for you! Or his ass.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 am
NIST - John Lennon was a Woman
NIST - Pigs can fly
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 am
it would of been good if the infowar reporter would of asked what did larry silverstein mean when he ordered “to pull it”?
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 am
can you say pro-pagan-da?
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:28 am
No one here really thought the NIST would actually consider the “theory” as credible that Bldg. 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition, do they?
https://www.pyrabang.com/?ref=thx1138
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:34 am
This doesn’t just take the cake, it takes the whole pastry shop.
Do you Americans really take yourself serious anymore with a Government like this ???
Where are the protests ?? The Marches like with Vietnam, Americans have lost something they once had…..shame
paul Reply:
February 13th, 2009 at 3:26 am
I agree!!! most of us are too busy watching that damn boob tube, and worrying about our suv’s and personal status and not holding our government accountable. its sad though, after writing and calling up my state senators to try to hold them accountable, they laugh at us. its pathetic. its getting to be almost hopeless. we need a revolution, and quick before obama gets rid of our guns and internet! god help us
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 am
I wonder how the captured medias of the world will report on this?
There have been many bloggers from other countries on these boards saying they hate us for our stupidity, our lack of guts in getting these monsters out of our government.
So, how did your country’s new media report this? Will they point out it’s absurdity–or will they also conspire to lie like they did in reporting Russia attacked Georgia? Pay close attention.
If they do back this fairy tale by NIST, then you know YOUR own gov. and media are corrupt, complicit, co-conspirators and that you’ve got your own monsters to slay.
So, what are you gonna do about that?
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 am
And after the report, Dr. Sunder went back to his day job, where he sells bridges for a dollar to random folk on the streets…
They should have stuck with their original story… you know… “Duuuuhhh, what’s a ‘building 7′? I’ve never heard of that.” Even though it’s insulting, you gotta laugh at their pathetic attempt at an explanation. ‘New phenomenon’… That is classic. We can file this one with Santa Clause, Jesus, the Tooth Fairy, and the stork who delivers babies.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 am
This ‘report’ is just like Professional Wrestling. Fixing, Staged, and a total Fraud!
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 am
Has anyone else noticed that last weeks goofy ‘Bigfoot’ story/media circus is now being inserted into the reporting on the NIST report as evidence that conspiracy theorists are gullible idiots?
I smell a setup.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 am
Really folks it was the big bad wolf…huff and puff and …well, you know the rest.
One good point is the fact that Larry did say ‘pull it’ an hour before the magical event. How does a fire melt all the supporting beams so evenly that it falls into its own footprint? Especially since the fire was so small. We all know the building had to come down because it had already been rigged with explosives and they couldn’t allow the possiblity that if they didn’t destroy the building that someone might find the material that would have been used to bring the building down.
Was the plane that hit the ground out in the countryside going to be used to hit building seven? Was that the plan? Anybody know?
The Americans aren’t going to anthing about this either. No one wants to give up their mcdonald’s collection of happy meal toys.
And beside that an external prison with luxury isn’t so bad…’external prison with luxury’ = freedom in America.
The decent folks in that country should leave and let the rats have the ship…to many rats, most Americans are rats some of my own family think George the mass murderer of over 600,000 children is a wonder president. Stupid, what can I say. Or, maybe just plain evil.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 am
simply amazing..How absolutely stupid and gullable our government believes we are.. to imagine that a blg never hit by a plane would collapse like a perfect demolition.. not touching buildings next to this.. (i bet the brooklyn bridge is for sale too) that a mountian of evidence to the contrary can be overlooked.. SICKENING - DISGUSTING.. how absolute Evil our government / and Israel Controlers of all monies are. and Master Minds of 9/11, as if they dont have enough power.. they want to suck up every last bit of it.. ,, …. A REVOLUTION IS IN ORDER ….. BLESS US ALL .. WE NEED IT !
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 am
Thermal Expansion is most certainly REAL and is a big factor in modern steel construction. Any time truss systems are used for floors and roofs there are drawbacks. This does not mean that observations we know of relating to 9-11 are wrong or untrue. It means that to categorically state that thermal expansion does not exist or never took place is not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion
This is why trusses suck since they rapidly loose strength as they are heated. If a truss expands .064″ per foot over 20 feet the entire truss becomes 1.28″ or about 1 1/4 inches longer. This drives the end walls out off center 5/8″ each or just one end wall the entire amount if the other is a fixed heavy post.
The WTC used construction that relied on light weight steel floor trusses that had a fire RESISTANT not PROOF coating and that coating was being removed since it was made of asbestos. Go to any building or cheap condo and you will see placards with a RED TRIANGLE telling fire men to stand clear since trusses SUCK.
The Empire State Building used a different construction method being “post and beam” and its members were riveted or bolted together. The WTC was “modern” and sorry to say “cheap” and used welds to attach the floor trusses to the outer box beams and WTC 7 was even cheaper.
To this everyone insists that WTC7 withstood only “minor damage” but in reality it was heavily damaged from the towers 1 & 2 collapses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/7794.jpg
http://www.kolumbus.fi/av.caesar/wtc/wtc7_2.jpg
To say there was no damage or fire at building 7 is simply in the face of the truth. To say that truss systems do not fail due to thermal expansion is also not true. Trusses have a burn rating system that has been in place long before the building of the WTC. The deny these realities is to live in denial.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 am
So when this special beam gave way and collapsed the entire structure, what ever happened to the indestructable Office of Emergency Management on the 23rd floor? You would think that out of that entire building, this ‘new phenomenon’ wouldn’t be able to destroy this room…
Not that I believed NIST for even a second. Did you notice Shyam Sunder’s body language when he heard the name Infowars.com? They even cut the camera away from him.
The good news is that now they have to provide their thousands of pages of documents for us to scrutinize
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 am
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August 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 am
Did Planes Really Crash Into the WTC Towers on 911?
Contrary to NIST & the US Government, there is overwhelming evidence to conclude that the planes seen on TV were the result of SFX special effects (TV fakery).
Many try to suppress this obvious fact, but to exclude other theories out of hand w/o examination is not only disingenuous, it’s simply denial (a defence mechanism) and only results in a misinformed, skewed opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XrU70Lc-U
There were no planes entering the WTC Towers on 911. Perhaps all the related films about 911 produced before and since were made to condition the public into acceptance of the official “planes” fantasy. Any discussion of planes on 911, passengers, hijackers, etc. all continue to help keep the fantasy alive.
Believing the government’s fairytale of planes colliding with the Towers is the main problem w/ fully understanding 911. The media was broadcasting fake, manipulated images of planes. Superimposing a plane on 911 was done w/ Wescam technology; it provided a single “live” feed from which all the TV networks broadcast. Other videos & images started to appear in the days, weeks & months following 911. All of them have anomalies & impossibilities which can only be explained by excluding planes.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xpUKwpwSRwc
Real planes would have been a potential liability for the perps on 911. It was easier to control the outcome of the event with much less risk by using the media to broadcast fake imagery. Real jets might miss their targets, get shot down, suffer pilot or computer errors, destroy or prematurely detonate any explosives, passengers could have overtaken the hijackers, and/or the plane might not inflict enough perceived damage to make a collapse believable.
A single fact which cannot be refuted is that a hollow aluminum plane (especially fragile wings) cannot slice through steel beams and concrete without any damage to the plane. News footage showing an airliner gliding into a Tower without any resistance is a cartoon. Aluminum planes are not built for impact and crumple immediately upon contact with solid objects; even a small bird can rip through a jet’s wing.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MCVwuf_AMFs
Furthermore, a large speeding jet’s vortex trails behind it creating a highly active atmosphere which follows in its path. Had a real plane impacted a WTC Tower, real film footage would have recorded the airliner’s vortex interacting with and violently dissipating the smoke from the alleged crash and the adjacent North Tower. No vortex literally means no planes on 911 (TV fakery).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlj1mVD2-HM
During the South Tower “impact”, fake TV footage shows a WTC Tower sealing itself around the plane during the alleged penetration. Still another too incredible to believe anomaly is the width of the plane’s purported gash didn’t match the width of a Boeing 757’s wing span. Another widely publicized video shot by Scott Myers shows the forward fuselage of the “jet” exiting the South Tower, though other shots later reveal no exit hole.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NCLL6h6-vvc
To consider the media footage showing a plane slicing thru steel and concrete as reality is ludicrous. There were no planes; only spoofed images, manipulated witnesses and falsified evidence. America please wake up; the media was a complicit partner that was in on the crime from the beginning. In fact, the TV psyop 911 couldn’t have been pulled off without the mass media’s assistance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eoxaU16MntM
Actually “no planes on 911″ is the only explanation that makes any sense. There are far too many disturbing questions left unanswered which only TV fakery can address.
Besides all the other impossibilities mentioned, why are there several “hijackers” still alive; some are even suing the US government to recover their reputation and stolen identity.
Why have so many of the purported plane “victims” not been listed in the Social Security Death Index? …and their families not claimed their death benefits.
Why are there missing passenger lists and zero so-called Middle Eastern hijacker names on the flight manifest?
Why in the entire history of aviation has a plane never disappeared from a crash - yet on 911, four of them did in a single day? All plane parts are numbered; not one plane part from 911 has been identified by its number.
How could supposedly inexperienced “pilots” who couldn’t even fly a Cessna…
* threaten & subdue everyone on board a large airliner
* break into the locked cockpits w/ their hands
* kill all the ex-military pilots and copilots
…then navigate a large Boeing jetliner above the clouds all over several states without airport tower assistance, with nav systems & radios turned off, and fly with pinpoint accuracy into a building that they couldn’t even see?
It’s common knowledge amongst pilots that a Boeing 757 cannot fly at 500+ MPH at sea level - the air is too thick. That’s an airliner’s cruising speed attained at high 30,000+ ft. altitudes.
You can call Boeing; even they admit that - and they have been recorded in phone conversations recently saying so.
When an airliner is close to the ground it’s either taking off or landing. If forced to throttle to cruising speed at low altitude, it would break apart in mid-air.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x2upl977dsY
Exposing “no planes on 911″ is probably the most important story to people beyond chemtrails, depleted uranium poisoning and nanotech genocide.
Americans are TV hypnotized, drugged up, dumbed down and so utterly dependent that in general they are incapable of critical thought and are disinterested in discovering how the media is adversely affecting their lives.
No planes on 911 and deception by the media is the Holy Grail of 911. It marks the beginning of an Orwellian double-speak mind-set which is now accepted as normal by the populace.
No-planes on 911 is highly important as it exposes the real perps behind this mass murder and offers justice to the thousands of people killed that day.
Without the covert deception by the media in collusion with the enemy in control of America’s military intelligence, 911 could not have happened.
The media was directly involved in 911 and together with a criminal government has helped diminish Americans’ freedoms and launch unending wars against innocent nations.
Don’t even consider making another comment on 911 till you have watched the “September Clues” video series:
http://www.livevideo.com/video.....part1.aspx
With so much evidence pointing to collusion between the military industrial complex, the US government and especially the media, very few have sought relief in the court systems, or via conventional mass media. Morgan Reynolds has filed numerous suits in federal court to no avail. His latest attempt and subsequent appeal were both summarily squashed before having even been properly heard. You can read the details on his website.
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911
If one seeks only that evidence which fits the official explanation, then that is what you will find. That’s not science, it’s not objective thinking, it’s not even good common sense.
It is impossible in the real world for a plane to behave in such manner as per the official account. So long as you continue to deny that one simple concept you will be forever lost in endless pursuit of an answer that will never come.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/.....ng_videos/
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August 22nd, 2008 at 5:41 am
Breaking News–The Bigfoot hoaxers were in fact Law Enforcement.
…from the Atalanta Journal Constitution
‘Whitton, 28, was fired Tuesday after six years with the department because of his involvement in the hoax, said police Chief Jeff Turner. Dyer, 31, worked at three different state prisons, according to Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training Council records’
Seems our two gold ol’ boys from the backwoods of Georgia were working for the man.
http://www.ajc.com/news/conten.....claim.html
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:47 am
This farce of a report only reinforces the fact that this was an inside job. I guess we’re making too much noise and it scares them. You can tell that this report is complete propaganda from the first sentence. Also why did they keep calling it 7 World Trade Center? Seems like they don’t wan’t the regular keywords to show up so only people who doubt the story will read the article. Otherwise, they don’t even want the public to hear about it. If the center beam of the building was weakened that would be the last beam that would cause a collapse because it is the most supported collumn in a rectangular structure. The Masons know this. They are geometry experts and they try to pass this crap off to the american public. Start gathering your guns, because the revolution is coming soon. There’s no other option. These people are lying, evil scumbags.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 am
It’ll go the JFK way…
At a certain point 90 plus percent will know it was an inside job…yet…there will be no consequences…
It simply is the american way…
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 am
Paul,
Don’t forget to mention the Fire Chief from the latest BBC doc said he was told by an expert on the day that the building would collapse, and the expert even gave a correct estimate of 5 hours. The way Chief says it makes it seem like it’s normal everybody knew it was going to fall. But now NIST said it is “The first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building” and caused by an “extraordinary event”.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 am
I smell bullshit! Do these people ever give up?
Hey do any of you people know anything about toxic fumes from computers. This guy has a bunch of videos and info on his page. Check it out. http://www.rawair.net. I wouldn’t doubt there is something to what this guy is saying. Just think about it. When metal gets hot it does give off fumes. What do you guys think?
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:07 am
They are never going to give us the truth about 9/11. It’s just never going to happen. We already know anyways. Let them lie all they want. It will do them no good.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:12 am
If you missed it the first time…
Thermal Expansion is most certainly REAL and is a big factor in modern steel construction. Any time truss systems are used for floors and roofs there are drawbacks. This does not mean that observations we know of relating to 9-11 are wrong or untrue. It means that to categorically state that thermal expansion does not exist or never took place is not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion
This is why trusses suck since they rapidly loose strength as they are heated. If a truss expands .064″ per foot over 20 feet the entire truss becomes 1.28″ or about 1 1/4 inches longer. This drives the end walls out off center 5/8″ each or just one end wall the entire amount if the other is a fixed heavy post.
The WTC used construction that relied on light weight steel floor trusses that had a fire RESISTANT not PROOF coating and that coating was being removed since it was made of asbestos. Go to any building or cheap condo and you will see placards with a RED TRIANGLE telling fire men to stand clear since trusses SUCK.
The Empire State Building used a different construction method being “post and beam” and its members were riveted or bolted together. The WTC was “modern” and sorry to say “cheap” and used welds to attach the floor trusses to the outer box beams and WTC 7 was even cheaper.
To this everyone insists that WTC7 withstood only “minor damage” but in reality it was heavily damaged from the towers 1 & 2 collapses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/7794.jpg
http://www.kolumbus.fi/av.caesar/wtc/wtc7_2.jpg
To say there was no damage or fire at building 7 is simply in the face of the truth. To say that truss systems do not fail due to thermal expansion is also not true. Trusses have a burn rating system that has been in place long before the building of the WTC. The deny these realities is to live in denial.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:14 am
So the government is conducting an investigation to see whether it committed a crime.
Why? Because NIST said so!
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:20 am
Did you know the best way to have fought Hitler in 1939 was to endlessly argue whether something he said in 1932 was true or not!
Bad guys lie- that is what we call an ‘axiom’ in logic. You don’t ‘prove’ it, you accept it as the foundation of your future thoughts. And as I keep saying, Putin was revealed as the mastermind of the Moscow Apartment bombings false flag when the ’smoking gun’ was found- his team actually planting the explosives.
Was Putin ‘impeached’? Was Putin ‘tried’? Was Putin condemned? Acually, he went on to be overwhelmingly voted president of Russia.
Of course Bush’s puppet masters carried out 911. Who ever doubted that? Sadly, nothing that we can ever prove about 911 will bring the real bad guys down. Years ago, they planned for ‘limited hangout’ if the worse happened. Once Bush is out of power HE becomes the ‘limited hangout’ because the loss of an ex-politician is no loss whatsoever. Even with the pretence that the sheeple can be made to usefully care over 911, time runs out completely with the next presidential election.
And whichever racist psycho gets elected in a few months time, the demons will be vastly better placed than during most of Bush’s period. However, a McCain win would be better, because at least then the activist fight against the US government would increase. Obama, on the other hand, will easily lull people into their worst possible nightmare.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:41 am
The question is will Global Warming start making stell buildings
fall down due to “Thermal Expansiona”
BS = M C (cubed)
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:46 am
In Americky the Ruling Class “sacrifices people” to their GOD
Moloch. In Moloch WE Prosper the sheeple get the TAXES.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 am
Alpha, no shit thermal expansion is real. Fires are real too. If a hurricane blew threw and knocked a building down sure we’d all believe the wind was the cause. But when you look at the way the building fell straight down in 7 seconds, this could have only happened via controlled demolition. If it tipped over, partially collapsed, etc. then the official story might be believable. Stop grasping for straws because the official theory is highly improbable nearing statistically impossible whereas controlled demolition is highly probable. If you think a building can fall like that with just a few random fires, then what do you think a few strategically placed explosives would do? How hard would it be to wire a few key core columns with cutter charges in the dead of night with an empty building and an insider providing access to the building? That’s precisely what happened.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:52 am
I JUST DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT SILVERSTEIN SAID PULL IT…. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THAT SLIP OF THE ZIONIST TONGUE… I THINK AFTER 1993 BOMBING THE BUILDING SUPERVISORS SAID WELL WE BETTER RIG THESE BUILDINGS TO COME DOWN INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT INSTEAD OF FALLING OVER SIDEWAYS ONTO OTHER BUILDINGS ,, 9/11 WAS VERY POSSIBLY AN ACT OF TREASON., HOWEVER DONT YOU THINK THAT 1 PERSON WOULD HAVE THE GUILT OF BEING COMPLICIT IN MASS MURDER AND TELL THE WORLD ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:54 am
Sivaraj Shyam-Sunder = Traitor and will be placed on trial for treason after the next revolution.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:01 am
‘ Paul Watson says
“”"In its final report on the collapse of WTC 7 that news outlets are reporting “puts 9/11 conspiracy theories to bed,” NIST claims that the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion” was to blame for the destruction of the building, a completely ludicrous conclusion in a report that simply ignores eyewitness testimony and hard evidence that points to the deliberate demolition of the structure.”"”
NIST never said “new phenomenon” and Watson added that to offset “thermal expansion” and that is a wrap on the truth. He said something that NIST didn’t say. Now the fires as per the video I added in my other post will, do and did cause expansion since any thing else goes against what is observable.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:02 am
Unbelievable. Literally. Yet they say it anyway. Unbelievable.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:07 am
Least not we forget that the BBC declared WTC 7 already collapsed when the event didn’t happen until some 20+ minutes later. When asked for archive video of the event for research purposes, lo and behold - the BBC stated that they simply could not ‘locate’ any of the FOUR backup copies that are required by their operational procedures. Their answer to this? They ignored the issue. Still are to my knowledge.
Hell isn’t hot enough for the Bush cabal.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:24 am
Send them a note letting them know what you think.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/contact.htm
They’ve lost all credibility with me. How can we trust anything they say now?
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:24 am
Next thing they will tell you is that the Laws of Physics dont exist
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:27 am
Hi. Actually nothing to do with the story but just wanted to tell everyone that the PNAC (Project for the New American Century) website is running again.
http://www.newamericancentury.org
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:27 am
even if their stupid cartoon like explanation is possible it still couldn’t fall at free fall speed.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:34 am
So let me guess NIST and fellow collaborators on this…project for our new Amerikan century. They sat you down, told you to cover this thing up for god, country and the greater good.
They said history will some day judge you to be heroes, and great patriots for doing your part in saving the republic. Right?
They waved the flag in your face and you signed on all puffed up with pride right bright boys? No?
What do you mean you had to?
They threatened you, how?
Audits? Kiddy porn? Cheating on your wife? Embezzlement? Fake resume?
No, they didn’t?
They did ?
So you had no choice you say right?
Bullshit! You had a choice! You could’ve taken your lumps and did the right thing!
What do you mean what’s the point!?
It’s all lost, it’s all dead; no one can stop it now you say?
Perhaps your right, but you and people like you will only have your selves to blame if it is lost!
What? I don’t understand?
Shit bright boy I’ve understood all of my life! I’ve understood that you high and mighty nose in the are shitbags who parade your morality around like a poodle on a leash have always been liars and cut-throats! Your the kind who cover up murder on Monday and are singing in the choir on Sunday!
The truth will come out some day, but until then take this load a bullshit you piled up and set it next to the anthrax case. Together they make a great set of book ends for the blind!
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:40 am
Stein, Newman, need I say anymore?
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:42 am
I watched the conference and Videotaped the web stream and knew right there it was bullshit. How does it take 3 yrs to come up with such an inadequate story, poor graphics and denial? He was just sticking to the story.
Later last night the only media for television was broadcast on Cspan. You know the station no one watches.
Then I see it in a story on yahoo, debunking the myth.
But that all goes along with the program. They all are going about business as usual. Did you really expect a real answer. They just put anything out there and claim plausible deniability. No one on the NWO side of the fence is going to admit anything any more than Bush does.
Like Shyam Sunder stated everytime someone questioned him with something valid he stated: We are experts and we have delived a eloquent, scientific reason for the fall of building 7. And we are very happy with the efforts that ended with this conclusion. Even though he was twitching like a rat in a cage the whole time he was speaking.
We can’t keep pressing for the truth. we know whats right. They play dirty and that’s the truth. These traitors did it and even paid for it with our blood money. Chasing the truth when they are in the rule is an endless insurmountable task created to divert us from what needs to be done. Wake the public and force congress to remove bush from the throne.before it is too late. It already may be. but that is the only chance.
Bless us all
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 am
Sign the petition to impeach bush http://Kucinich.us/
Alex does not seem to want to promote this petition,but you can.
I am surprise that they did not blame THE JOKER
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 am
Thank god “Thermal Expansion” only expands DOWN and not ACROSS. If it did, the collapse would not have been symmetrical, and other building could have been damaged.
This is a big load off of my shoulders.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 am
This is outrageously ridiculous!!!!! No surprise there. The mountain of evidence continues to build. The lies they tell are soon to unravel. The walls are closing in on them and they know it. They continue to use lies and manipulation as they did in the past but it is not working because the days of the American people buying into the lies of tube are over. They are in a race to get all they want before the house of cards falls. This is not as it was in the days of JFK they have tried to keep lids on their lies and they cannot. People can educate themselves via the internet. The have lost control and they are trying to get it back before it swallows them up. Honestly I think things are in favor of the people. As bad as things look and seem to be getting. I think if God is with us who can be against us. We are still a Christian nation even though they have tried to take that away from us. In-spite of all they do God is bigger. They can run but they can’t hide. I believe we will see the day where those responsible for 9/11 will be held accountable. Our God is just and he has the final say. This may be there final answer regarding 9/11 but our God is a God of the 11th hour. Just when it looks like this is done and over he will make a way for the voice of people to heard and justice will be served.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:08 am
Might as well pop some corn and enjoy the show. We’re paying a hell of a lot of money for them to produce this comedy.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
The Zionist’s truly think of all of us as stupid cunts. There is no fucking way they would come up with some bullshit like this and fucking print and distribute it if they did not. I cant wait to see them speak about and attempt to defend this crap.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:31 am
NIST - The Walrus was Ringo
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:36 am
This has to be there undoing.
Try tell the people 911 was caused by new scientific phenomena appearing out of thin air. Broadcast this story high and wide as “THE GOVTS DEFINITIVE ANSWER” and Im telling you that you’d have die hard, hillbilly redneck warmongering republicans with no education, saying “YEAH RIGHT”!!
This government and official line is so against what people know that its beyond belief. Only the seriously ill and compromised are left to defend this.
Repeat this loud enough and it will undo them. It cant be defended…………….PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:36 am
i woke up this morning and happened to catch the nist briefing on cspan. wow, what a bunch of crap! after one hundred years of building design and only now, for building 7, they have a new “phenomenon”, ‘thermal expansion’. it is hard to believe that they got any engineer to stand up and attest to this. basically they are saying that they could not find a credible explaination,(without admitting foul play)so they discovered a new “phenomenon”…they made sh*t up! what a disgrace! very sad indeed…i feel for the victims and survivors who clung to some credible reason, yet found none!
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 am
9-11 was NOT an inside job. get over your arrogance.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:45 am
I’m just kidding about my previous post. Obviously this report is a complete inside job just like the demolition. I just wanted to see if anyone thought I was a NWO disinformation henchman. Obviously, I’m not this retarded. Ha!
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:52 am
HTTP://KUCINICH.US/PETITION
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
Great article,
Let’s not forget of course that the freakin’ leaseholder ADMITTED to “pulling” the building on national TV.
What does it take to get these LYING MURDEROUS CROOKS to be brought to justice?
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:55 am
TEST
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 am
Lie upon lie and unfortunately how many of the general public will believe it? NIST can dish out bullshit faster than a manure spreader.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:58 am
Check this out
http://english.pravda.ru/opini....._attacks-0
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 am
@ Michael:
You are a fascist, Zionist, and Imperialist who claims that “9/11 was not an inside job,” and you’re telling us 9/11 Truthers that we’re “arrogant.”
You’re a piece of work, Michael. And a piece of shit.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 am
Hi. Guess my previous post didn’t attract anybody. Incase you folks missed it I repeat :
———–THE PNAC WEBSITE IS RUNNING———–
Guess they weren’t closed afterall.
http://www.newamericancentury.org
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 am
Alpha Omega wrote:
“To say there was no damage or fire at building 7 is simply in the face of the truth. To say that truss systems do not fail due to thermal expansion is also not true. Trusses have a burn rating system that has been in place long before the building of the WTC. The deny these realities is to live in denial.”
Okay, so now explain to us why, since the unprecedented total collapse of three of the biggest buildings in the USA at the WTC on 9/11, supposedly due to fires that DID NOT by any means involve the whole structures, why isn’t the architectural and construction engineering world in an uproar over this? Why aren’t people throughout the world staging a massive protest over the apparent lack of safety of all steel-frame buildings?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 am
Bombs put out “thermal expansion”. What we saw in WTC7 was
TIMED thermal expansion. A randomly moving fire could not bring
down a building symmetrically.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 am
Well said, Mike Berger of 911 Truth. We are being lied to. There is no possible way that NIST could believe this preposterous nonsense to be true.
‘Thermal expansion’…’exterior was stiffer and stronger than interior’…’new phenomenon’.
B******T!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 am
that michael is a tossa read the facts wake up and smell the coffee ,dickhead
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 am
Since the geniuses at NIST have now shown, after their three-year research efforts, that fire can collapse a skyscraper into its own footprint at nearly freefall speed, I’m starting my very own, one man, demolition company!
http://www.care2.com/news/member/913247284/855219
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 am
hey folks the truth of the matter is that truth is not palatable.period!we as a nation have been sucking on boldfaced lies for all our adult lives.so this is no surprize.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
I am new to watching Alexs UTube postings, and just can’t buy 9.11 being an “inside” job…
What matters now is that we don’t get so enmeshed in the past that we can’t be participants in the present, and change what we see to be wrong with our schools, our government, with ourselves,
“We the People”
WE are the government.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am
coming up next . . .
NIST - Moon is made of Cheese Theory
NIST - Earth is flat after all
Doesnt anyone see this undoing them. Even a diehard Bush fanatic would have a problem swallowing this.
So the key is make them swallow or spit!!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 am
Israel masterminded 9/11, no ifs, ands, or buts. Watch this video in its entirety.
http://www.911missinglinks.com/
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am
To: “Easy” Thanks for your post. I have watched the videos you posted and found them to be very enlightening. I especially found http://youtube.com/watch?v=eoxaU16MntM to be very insightful. The “average american,” is probably represented by “Patricia Johnson” who posted, “just can’t buy 9.11 being an ‘inside’ job,” despite the overwhelming evidence available to them because they have have been “brainwashed” by the mainstream media which does the bidding of their NWO puppet masters. Very interesting parrallels between immediate post JFK assassination press events/releases and immediate post 9/11 press events/releases. Isn’t it a truely phenominal event that the media was able to report on the culprits and methods (including the “science” behind the collapses) of the attacks in less than an hour after they began. Also, I had pretty much ignored the “no plane” theory with regards to the Towers, but after watching the videos it hit me like a ton of bricks and I said to myself “Why did I believe that something other than a plane did the Pentagon damage, but not the Towers.” I mean it really would be common sense that the “M.O.” remains the same. Anyway, thanks again for your post. I recommend everyone review these videos and pass them along.
Cameron O’Connor
Gulf Breeze, FL
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am
Patricia, WE are the government? Since when? This county was founded as a republic not a democracy. The Founders were hostile to democracy. They considered the majority too stupid to be trusted with any real political influence. “Government by the people” is just a phrase that has been used for all these years to hoodwink the public.
It’s high time for this state of affairs to change. We need to make “government by the people” a reality. That should be the primary goal of the coming revolution.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 am
Condie is a Zombie,
This matter is about building 7 not 1 & 2. Go back over my comments and you will see that what I am saying is that the articles here and on Raw Story are not honest reporting. Simply put the realities of heat and thermal expansion are simply discounted as a “new phenomenon” when in fact thermal(heat) expansion is a reality of fire in construction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion
As far as trusses go they are CHEAP and if they are allowed to rise in temperature even a little the expansion can result in failure. Trusses happen to be considered an acceptable risk in relation to cost. They require less material so they are lighter and easier to work with. What you gain in cost and ease of use you loose in strength over a greater range of conditions.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/.....132Sum.pdf
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 am
Condie is a Zombie- I am a fascist, Zionist, and Imperialist?
Is that why I marched..twice..against the war in Iraq? Is that why I held the Palestinian flag while marching to free Mumia Abu-Jamal in Philadelphia?
You assume to much, my Al-Qaeda shill friend.
9-11 was NOT an inside job…and the American people are tired of this crap.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Thanks for the site Incredulous… here’s the one i sent…
I don’t claim to be I.M. Pei, I. M. just a girl that sells at a swap meet…and not only do i find your “new theory” on building 7’s collapse unlikely and unbelievable as well as not supported by FACTS (remember those buggers!), i find it tantamount to treason. You and your handlers WILL be held responsible, I and others like myself will continue until our last breath to bring justice for over ONE MILLION MURDERS.
The Truth and Love will conquer all.
sincerely,
(everyday my heart breaks more for my country.)
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Steven, most Americans are stupid cunts, especially the younger generation. That’s how the NWO get away with their crimes.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am
We need to find a way to abolish professional politics (government) and replace it with direct democracy (governance). Otherwise our society will forever remain infected with these power parasites.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am
OH,BY THE WAY,I HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU AS WELL.THIS IS A JOKE.I’M SURPRISED THEY DIDN’T SAY ( IT DEPENDS WHAT THE DEFFINTION OF INSIDE JOB IS.)PLEASE, A TOTAL RETARD KNOWS BETTER WHEN YOU HEAR A BULLSHIT STORY.MORE REASON TO CALL THESE SCUM BAGS OUT.GET READY FOR ALL THE UPCOMMING PROTEST ARREST AT THE TWO CONVENTIONS.BOTH PARTIES ARE A DISSGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY.YES OUR COUNTRY,NOT THEIRS.DOWN WITH THE NWO,AND MAY THEY ALL DIE IN HELL.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
One thing that’s going to be necessary for “we the people” to start governing ourselves is to eliminate capitalist exploitation so we can reduce the work day to as few as four hours. The remainder can then be used for people to participate in the administering of society.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 am
THAT MICHAEL IS A FUCKIN RETARD.STUDY THE TRUE FACTS BEFORE YOU COME ON THIS SITE AND SPOOL YOUR SHIT.IT’S CALLED READING,FACT FINDING,AND QUESTIONING,REMEMBER FRESHMAN YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL.HEY I HAVE A NEW PHENOMENA,IT’S CALLED TRUTH.PLEASE LITTLE MIKE STUDY THE FACTS.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Micheal,
You can march your friggin’ head off all you want.
To say that this wasn’t an inside job is just stupid.
Even if our goverment themselves didn’t plant the bombs, someone did it for them.
Goverment is just like any other BUSINESS, it’s cheaper and you catch alot less flak if you outsource.
And if USA isn’t being ALL of this shit, explain to me mr.inside-man why US troops were captured by russia? Why were they even there? TO ENFORCE THE WILL OF THE EMPEROR.
We live in a text book EMPIRE and everyone is to CHICKEN SHIT to face the facts.
You will all see that America and it’s allies will stop at nothing until the emperor has control of all the land and supplies this world has to offer. And when he, she, or it has control over it all, it will proceed to dangle it above and out of our reach and laugh.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
HEY GOMES,GOOD POINT,WE NEED TO GET THESE LIFE LONG POLLITIONS OUT,AND START UP STATESMAN AGAIN.THAT’S WHAT THE COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 am
Now they will claim again to have “debunked it”. But in fact, they merely entered the DEBATE, and who WINS the DEBATE is another story.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 am
Now that the Israeli involvement cannot be denied anymore, the Jewish Jason Bermas is doing his best to minimize their role, and has a vested interest to do so. Israel is the mastermind, do not be fooled by these gate-keepers.
http://www.911missinglinks.com/
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am
There can be no political equality when there exist such vast disparities in wealth. Wealth = political leverage.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 am
Micheal is a mole.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Gomes- We have been waiting for this so-called “revolution” since 2006. When exactly do you expect this to finally occur? 2016? 2034?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 am
By the way, 9-11 WAS an inside job. This is such a horrible and unpalatable truth that the folks at the NIST may not even be consciously participating in a cover-up. Maybe their denial compels them to twist their observations into explanations (no matter how incredible) that disprove what their minds could never accept, i.e, we are descending into HELL.
Or maybe I’m the one who doesn’t want to believe that so many people could be so purely evil.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 am
Wag The Dog.
[ the spin doctor talks with the producer Stanely Motss ]
Stanley Motss: ” They gotta know at some point..”
Conrad Brean : ” Who?”
Stanely Motss: ” Who?!…The uh, you know…
the public ”
Conrad Brean : “They gonna know? ”
Stanely Motss: “Yes!”
Conrad Brean : ” Stanley, get with it.
Who killed Kennedy?
I read the first draft of the
Warren Commission Report.. it
says kennedy was killed by a
drunk driver….You watch the
Gulf War, what do you see day
after day? The ONE smart bomb falling
down a chimney…. The truth?
I was in the building when we shot
that shot…We shot it in a studio
Falls Church, Virginia 1/10th scale model
of a building.”
Stanley Motss: ” Is that true?”
Conrade Brean : ” How the fuck do WE know?”
Anyone who hasn’t seen Wag The Dog…. highly recommended..funny too. [ until you really think about it..]
“building 7 fell due to thermal expansion.. it must be true..i saw it on tv…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-FXkj-r9Mc
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 am
“Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.”
What a coincidence that this was the first skyscraper in human history to implode from a fire.
How do you commit the perfect crime? Control the investigation.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 am
ALPHA DUDE IS A RETARD AS WELL,STEEL NEVER IS DESTROYED WITH 45 ANGLE CUTS IN IT,STEEL BECOME SOFT,THAT MEANS IT WOULD FALL OVER BY WEIGHT,NEVER CAN STEEL BE MADE TO COME DOWN WITH FREE FALL SPEED RATE.IN WW11,STEEL STRUCTURES STILL STOOD AT GROUNG ZERO AFTER THE NUKES.TAKE A LOOK AT FILMS OF WW11.ALSO GROUNG TEMP IS 9,000 DEG AT GROUND ZERO OF A NUKE.THAT TEMP IS NEVER BROUGHT UP.STEEL CAN NEVER CRACK ON 45 DEG ANGLE UNDER ANY REASON,OTHER THEN DEMO WORK.AGAIN FUCKIN RETARDS.INSIDE JOB.AGAIN STEEL NO MATTER HOW CHEEP CAN BE CRACKED UNDER ANY STRESS LOAD.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:27 am
watch “ring of power” on redicecreations and you will realize the truth with ALL of the dots connected.On another note, i beg you to Boycott Walmart and all dollar stores. it will create demand for american-made products,and new factories (jobs) will pop up all over the place. dammit people, tell others to do this or we are f%#ked! Gandhi did it and beat the mighty British empire and we can do it too. lets do it!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 am
Easy said: “Did Planes Really Crash Into the WTC Towers on 911?
Contrary to NIST & the US Government, there is overwhelming evidence to conclude that the planes seen on TV were the result of SFX special effects (TV fakery)……..”
Of course. No planes. The media [worldwide] lied, on TV and in print.
So what’s new?
In my own quest for personal freedom I have found that it helps tremendously if I accept the following as true:
[1]All governments lie 99.99% of the time - never believe anything any government or government official, says [including all law enforcement or court officials- police, FBI, FBI "forensics", CIA etc etc etc]unless I can independently verify it using non government sources.
Also never believe “research ” by government funded orgs such as NIST or “scientific studies” by government controlled medical researchers or any other government funded “scientific study” or “research” [including that conducted by "scientists" such as Stephen Jones], nor by anyone else closely allayed with any government _anywhere_.
[2] The media also lies 99.99% of the time- it is simply the propaganda wing of the government.
Never believe anything “the media” [i.e government controlled/monitored/licensed lap dogs]tells you unless you can independently verify it as being factually true.
TV is pure Hollywood fantasy and the newspapers are no different.
The Matrix
Once you see through “the Matrix”{principles [1] and [2] above} , which is a direct psychological consequence of final acceptance of the ” 911 no plane” “theory” as no longer being a theory, but an all too obvious fact , you have 2 primary choices.
[A]Enlighten Others?
You can attempt to enlighten everyone else and desperately hope that “one day everyone will “wake up and smell the coffee”, and destroy “the Matrix” ,”foment revolution” or whatever else you may envision as being evidence that everyone has finally “woken up” sufficiently.
In my opinion this is approach is both delusional and self defeating. Putting off ones own freedom until some magical day in the future where others “wake up” to your satisfaction and standards , because of your efforts to enlighten them, ignores fundamental principles of human action theory.
Doomed
Because of this ignorance of fundamental principles of human action , all political and group actions/attempts to make the world a better place to live in to _ your_ standards and those who agree with you, or to anyone elses standards, ARE DOOMED TO FAILURE.
Plan [B]
Or [B], you can accept the world and the Matrix as it is [basically a pack of lies that you have chosen to believe and which is used to control you and others]; choose not to believe its lies, and then, acting entirely alone, learn to find ways to escape it and to meet with others who have already escaped it and who already live freer more productive lives.
No need to waste time trying to change anyones “mind” about anything, or to “enlighten” anyone, or to “save the world from evil”, or whatever.
Fake” Truthers” etc.
But never, ever make the mistake of trying to change the minds of those inside the Matrix and who profit from it, and depend on its survival for their own, including , I’m beginning to suspect, the people who own/run this site,[A.Jones] most of the “911 “truth ” movement, and other fake alternative news site such as whatreallyhappened.com.
Good News/ Bad News
Good news: You _can_ escape “the Matrix”.
Bad News: you cannot take anyone with you.
Personal freedom consulting at : http://www.onebornfree.com
http://www.onebornfree.blogspot.com
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
And the truthers continue to huddle in their little corner and doubt science they don’t understand because it’s what Uncle Alex wants. Blindly obeying Uncle Alex’s orders like sheep.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
@ Easy. No planes hit the twin towers? What about all the camcorder videos from everyday Joes that show the planes hitting the towers and the thousands of eyewitnesses. WTC7 was known for being a bad deign for several years before 9/11 and most engineers DO believe that fire caused the collapse. Thermite is not even used in demolitions anymore (before 9/11) because it was so unreliable. Get over it Trufers…9/11 WAS NOT AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 am
Yeah, I’ve got a problem with thermal expansion; it’s called gas.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
Paul Joseph Watson;
This is a nice scientific rebuttal of NIST posit.
LMFAO!
Quotation in the article:
“NIST completely fails to address prior knowledge of the building’s collapse, including why news outlets like the BBC and CNN reported that the building had collapsed an hour before it actually fell, as well as firefighters on the scene who are heard on video saying, “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon.””
Uh, because they’re scientists and looked at it from a scientific perspective. Maybe they reported it fell because they THOUGHT it fell. That and the firefighter predicting/expecting/cautioning against 7 falling is not surprising considering that two other buildings collapsed already.
So, Paul Joseph Watson and truthers who are just parroting Alex Jones like good sheep, where is your SCIENTIFIC rebuttal of NIST’s report. You’re not just blindly adopting the opinion of others, are you? I mean, you do understand the scientific principles behind which you accuse people (you don’t even know who, LOL!) of murder, don’t you?
LMFAO!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
Henry Makow, Rense.com and others are linking to this movie but how come Jason Bermas is BANNING people for dropping the link?
http://www.911MissingLinks.com
Missing Links is the FIRST movie to show you the faces of those responsible for 9/11. Watch it today for free!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 am
Here it comes: Truther genius, Part I, subsect 8: clever statements:
“You have to be a scientist or understand scientific principles to “know” building 7 was CDed.
And you also don’t have to have a knowledge of cars to be an automobile mechanic or knowledge or anatomy to be a physician.
Continue to huddle in your little corner truthers, doubting science you don’t understand because some fat, balding, aging non-scientist told you to; falsely believing that most of the civilized world is on your side. Go to a mall, or downtown where you live. Talk to all the people about your sad little 9/11 fantasies. Then you will get a taste of how marginalized and insignificant you are.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 am
Mark I never thought about steel not being able to crack at
45 degrees but it’s true. If welders were cutting the columns
afterwards they wouldn’t cut them at 45 degrees either. If you
are cutting a log do you cut at 45 degrees??
Anyway, it’s now obvious. I’m suprised they just don’t admit
it and ask “what are you going to do about it?” I heard a
commercial today telling Internet businesses to act now since
soon it’s going to be a different Internet. That will shut
things down nicely.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Those Mossad moving dudes jumping up and down on the moving truck watching the towers come down were celebrating that the charges they laid that weekend (when all surveillance and electrical were shut off) went off successfully. It takes several days to set those charges for demolition of large buildings - they had to coverup Silverstein’s initial slip of the tongue to”pull it” for this reason. It would have proved pre-cognizant conspiracy. It was Mossad agent Chertoff who arranged for the mossad movers/demolition team into the country, and he was the one who opened the door to get them out…
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
So, who here can explain why thermal expansion is so “ludicrous”? Not Paul Joseph Watson. His reason thermal expansion is “ludicrous” is because the BBC reported early the building had collapsed. So some clever scientist here please explain to me why thermal expansion is so “ludicrous.” Please don’t spam with a bunch of links. I mean, that’s just borrowing someone else’s opinion, right? I mean, you DO understand the science behind the collapse enough to accuse someone (you don’t even know who) of murder, right?
So let’s hear it truthers. Let’s hear your SCIENTIFIC rebuttal to the NIST report. Don’t spare the hard stuff (calculations, terms, etc.). I can handle it.
Can you?
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
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August 22nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
“Thermal expansion”?
That is so utterly STUPID beyond words!
And we’re supposed to believe that total BS?
Does anyone want to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge? I’m in the market for a nice bridge done in a style of the late 1800s. I think it would look nice as a companion bridge to the London Bridge at Lake Havasu, Arizona. Legitimate offers, only! No cranks, please.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
It’s funny when people label us “non-lemmings” as “truthers” and ignore all the domestic and world wide analysis that the gov’t version is BS. They did find thermite in the debris, enough to melt emergency workers boots. If actual, independant engineers, demo guys, and scientists say the demo of WTC7 was not by fire then…???? It’s always the tards of the media controlled world that offer no proof, just BS gov’t reports, and reject the actual proof in this pathetic cover-up by our gov’t. These are the same idiots that thing we can’tt have electric cars, water based cars, or the ability to create free energy. Telsa proved that at the turn of the LAST century you morons. Of course the gov’t still keeps all his belongings after he died, even from his own family. hmmmm wonder why.??
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
“thermal expansion” is ludicrous because they had to resort to a “new phenomenon” to AVOID the OBVIOUS explanation of a controlled demolition.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
How much money do you think Alex Jones makes off the Ads and Banners from InfoWars and Prison Planet?
Enough to buy a bigger more expensive house, new vehicles, University of Germany fund for his kids and maybe a cheap little cable show.
Com’ on people, for the costs of his Shows and DVD’s that he’s requiring the public to pay he should be giving info away.
BUT THAT’S NOT THE SELLOUT WAY
If you have not noticed over the past two years, Alex’s GUT has gotten alot larger, sort of like Sally Stuthers beggin’ for people to donate money when she’s eating like a queen.
Your truth will be told Alex Jones and then we shall see the fall of your Secret Agenda. GETTIN’ RICH OFF THE TRUTH.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
NIST’s final report on the collapse of WTC7 represents one of the most shamefuil abdications of responsiblity and wholesale betrayal of the principles of scienitfic rigour and analytical impartiality in living memory. Paradoxically, its absurd and unsutainable conclusions, drafted againt the bacground of mounting pressure from the ‘pro controlled demolition’ advocates, substantially strengths the latter’s position. If this is the best counter analysis NIST can come up with, then there can be little doubt that WTC7 (and in all probability the two towers) were rigged prior to the 9/11 and demolitied as planned.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Mark,
There ya have it, your cap lock is on and your comment is an ad-hominem. You are loosing all credibility as you shout and call others names. Shame on you and your ilk. The results of simply discounting the effects of heat on steel trusses will have a negative impact on the 9-11 cause. This is like claiming flight 175 had a missile pod mounted to it that fired prior to impact. Your cap lock does not change the reality that this story is flawed when it claims that, “NIST claims that the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion” was to blame for the destruction of the building, a completely ludicrous conclusion in a report that simply ignores eyewitness testimony and hard evidence that points to the deliberate demolition of the structure.”
There is nothing new about truss systems collapsing due to exposure to fire. It does not take much heat to distort a length of truss. Trusses are made of several parts that are welded together by the way and are used purely to keep weight and costs down.
Now as per your claim that I am in some way mentally challenged since I disagree with you that is a false and useless allegation made on your part. Generally it takes one to know one so it might be that the retard is you? All of your yelling will not make your claims true or correct and instead will set your cause back. My point is that Paul Watson’s article that seems to be a lot like Real Stories’ article are flawed since they dismiss a reality that temperature can and does have a negative affect on steel trusses. Try reading!
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
“Talk to all the people about your sad little 9/11 fantasies. Then you will get a taste of how marginalized and insignificant you are.”
I have talked to many people about these subjects, and I don’t feel marginalized at all. Most people tend to feel that the victims families deserve answers to their 250 unanswered questions. Most people know that an underfunded and compromised commission is nothing but a whitewash. Most people know there are serious issues at hand with the science when you have 430 architectural and engineering professionals, and tons of other highly qualified and credentialed people that have issues with it. Truthers wouldn’t be hitting the streets as much as we do if we didn’t get good feedback.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Webster Tarpley on Traitor Chertoff:
http://www.effedieffe.com/content/view/1820/183/
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
If the wtc7 was brought down because of the fires wouldnt the top of the building come pancaking down to the fifth floor then the fifth floor down should collapse. When you watch the video you see it does not happen this way. Ive never heard anyone mention this before.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
what did these fellows at nist do for the last three years, anyway; what, watch youtube? what kind of creedence will this give to “other” governmental agencies? maybe they “outsource” those too. our right to be protected by our country has been outsourced to a “private” interests…
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
CNN should be ashamed for even reporting on that bullshyt, they know it’s all lies!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
DB,
I am new to all this conspiracy stuff (believe me, I have come a long way). However, there is NO such thing as man creating free energy. I only know of one Sovereign Being who can create free energy. But man, NO! Yes, matter and energy are interchangeable in a way, but not the way you think will create free energy. I am afraid you are one of those who bought the ethanol scam. Nothing is free. Electric cars…yes, but you will need coal or nuclear to run all those cars all those miles. Solar/wind for cars..not happening. Coal like all petroleum based products are the result of millions of years of sunlight being captured. Sorry, it ain’t going to happen. Water, sounds nice, but I think you are just buying into too much hope. And yes, I am a scientist.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
9-11 was assisted by Middle Easterners from a nation that is a so-called friend of the USA. Which nation? Saudi Arabia!!
If you think the Saudis are our friends, you are dead wrong.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Yo, Alpha Omega, who posted here on Aug. 22, is a complete idiot.
I was watching C-SPAN last night and the NIST rep certainly said the free fall collapse of WTC7 because of office fires is a new phenomenon and that it did not fit any text book example for how buildings have fell the result of a conflagration without a sprinkler system to fight the blaze.
Listen up y’all. The fires in the building were a red herring and were also an inside job. They were started to throw off all critics of the official story. The building was then taken down in perfectly symetrical fashion in free fall speed with the use of controlled demolition, clearly. Don’t by that shit that explosives were impossible, which NIST just concluded last night. Cover-up. Bullshit. To wage an indefinite global war so war profiteers like John Kerry and the Bushes will benefit. So everyone needs to remove their ignorant fingers from their buttholes and wake up.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
All I can say, is just say NO. These pricks that think they have “domesticated” enough of us to totally screw us over are sadly mistaken. I don’t give a rat’s ass what NIST says. I work with lots of experts at a university. They’re usually the biggest ass kissers on the payroll. And the ones with their noses the furthest up the Fed’s butt.
. can say what he wants. The problem with dipshits like him are they do nothing but attack the person rather than address the facts. If you need NIST to explain how Bldg 7 came down, maybe a little twit like . can sway you. But if you have any common sense in your head, you already know what happened. It doesn’t matter what . says. He’s just not too bright.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
It is the new unbridled totalitarian powers of the corrupt gov’t which caused such a fraudulent report: the thugs will intimidate the shit out of your family and harass your every move, if you don’t play ball (if not take a bribe), possibly even kill you..It is this Stasi style intimidation tactic that I’m sure keeps the impeachment hearings from coming to fruition, as the wicked gov’t has tons of dirt from surveillance on all members of Congress ..(though Pelosi and Reid look to be Warmachine moles, anyway)..
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Hey people, check out this guy talking about computers giving of toxic fumes.http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_details.php?pod_id=61409
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Josiah, 2006? What revolution are you talking about? The revolution I’m talking about has already begun. It began centuries ago. It’s the ongoing revolution of the people against the elitist, obscurantist parasites, who with each passing generation lose more and more of their control and domination of mankind. Have you not noticed that feudalism and slavery have been replaced by ever more democratic and free forms of social organization.
The Revolution lives! We will be victorious again and we will achieve even greater liberty and control of our lives.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I’ve got a question. Why did they even need to demolish the buildings on 9-11? Was it to effect terror and outrage in the population? Was it needed to maximize Larry Silverstein’s insurance compensation? Why wasn’t it enough to just hit the Towers with the planes?
The conspiracy would have been a lot easier to conceal if it weren’t for the curious manner in which those structures collapsed.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Larry Silverstein’s website http://www.wtc.com has picked up the new NIST news report.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 pm
They had to collapse them to maximize the impact, to create a lasting damage, right in the heart of the “capital of the world”. If the WTCs hat remained standing, they would have been repaired and would most probably still be standing today. There was asbestos problems there but i bet these could have been solved.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
You must see it: in 1972 building on really fire… guess what?
Never colapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J9Huu7FJnU
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Gomes. Well, they demolished Building 7 because it had all of the evidence, as well as tons of the evidence for stuff like Enron, and corrupt business deals between corps that were being investigated and the white house going back to the Clinton years. Giuliani supposedly had his emergency headquarters there, but not once did he use it, and barely did he let any media actually access it. I wonder what was really in that Emergency headquarters room. Someone should say nyc contracts dealing with any construction or development in that area leading up to sept. 11th. Plus there was gold in the vaults underneath WTC that was removed before and soon after the destruction of WTC. In fact they probably didn’t demolish WTC 7 right away when 1 & 2 came down, because they still need to get the last of the gold and other materials. That made the controlled demolition of the WTC even more obvious, because by wating till the afternoon, more attention was given focus to actually seeing another building collpase in all of its detail and not near simultaneously like 1 & 2 were brought down.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Marc L,
Sorry but the truth is that this article calls “thermal expansion” a “never before observed new phenomenon” not anything you said. Doing that is just creating disinformation since there were plenty of fires and a great deal of damage to building 7 and to claim that thermal expansion is a non factor is a lie.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
whant to see what fire means? look the video
Guess what? The building never colapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
So that’s it huh? It was “thermal expansion” and a “new phenomenon” and no evidence of any loud noise?
The real insult are those of you who come here and expect “us” to provide some sort of scientific proof and yet NIST provides jack shit all to that effect! If they want to convince us otherwise then THEY are the ones who need to provide the science behind it! What’s with you people? The burden of proof was on NIST who proved absoulutly nothing what so ever with this bullshit!
Bottom line is they had almost 8 years to investigate and the best they can do is site “new phenomenon” as the reason and close the book on it? I can’t even fathom the type of mentatlity it takes to go along with this farce!
How bout some evidence people? Oh that’s right there is no evidence and there fore the idea of an investigation is in it self laughable! You can’t investigate a crime scene that was contaminated and then systimatically destroyed within hours of the actual crime itself.
If this is how things are being done I expect police to show up to murder scenes 8 years after the fact when the house is demolished and a parking lot built over top of it before they investigate. It makes about as much sense as this load of garbage!
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Zammy & blaje,
Thanks.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
does anyone remember that old footage, when they lit up a nuke and some indian did a bit of news reel, where he quoted the bahgvad gita: “i have become death, the destroyer of worlds”?
that is the first thing that came to my mind when i watched the cspan airing of the report, this morning. how convienent as the questions became apparently more genuine the question and answer session abrubtly ended…what was this fool trying to tell us? i checked this dudes credentials, what a fucking patsy!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Those people are crazy folks.
This is a fraud.
Just one more…
JUSTICE for 911 NOW
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
NIST WTC7 reporter is a joke
I hope from now on people do not start died from a failure of them urinal system when they have a orgasm.
Sounds to me everything is possible for those Pricks
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
just more proof.. we were lied to.. when will america wake up?
why are we allowing this to happen to us?
god help us.. all we deserve whay is about to happen in the next 30 to 180 days……
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Alpha-Omega keeps looking for the “conspiracy theorists” to scientifically refute the NIST conspiracy theory of “thermal expansion”. Since thermal expansion has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be the precise cause of the demolition/collapse of building 7… it is but another theory. Since the NIST personel conspired to produce this theory… it is a conspiracy theory and a very unbelievable one at that. The inside job conspiracy theories make far more sense and the onus is on the government to prove their theories that have cost this country it’s freedom… cost the lives of over 4,000 Americans, the lives of over 100,000 Iraqi’s and billions of dollars. The evidence from the biggest crime scene in US history was pulverized and what was left of it was quickly removed and sent out of the country before it could be examined… even a complete idiot would “smell a rat” here. When the government proves it’s conspiracy theory… that will be the end of it but since that’s never going to happen… there will be no end until the true terrorists are brought to justice!
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
people if you want to see how evil our government is please goto
youtube and punch in “Taxi To the Dark Side” and watch it there are 8 parts to this please this is important to know.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:32 pm
people if you want to see how evil our government is please goto
youtube and punch in “Taxi To the Dark Side” and watch it there are 8 parts to this please this is important to know
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Sorry to Sorry AlphaOmega: “Sorry but the truth is that this article calls “thermal expansion” a “never before observed new phenomenon” not anything you said.
[This sentence, of course, makes no sense syntactically. But the issue of 'thermal expansion' has been well-considered by the physicists and structural engineers analyzing the demolition of 7. Hydrocarbon fires normally aspirated are insufficient to heat huge steel structural supports to a level to cause necessary deformation. In addition, the steel structural latice is a huge heat sink, conducting heat away from any fire source.]
“Doing that is just creating disinformation since there were plenty of fires and a great deal of damage to building 7 and to claim that thermal expansion is a non factor is a lie.”
[I'm afraid you are the one dissembling. (euphemism for lying). There were not 'plenty' of fires nor was there a 'great deal of damage' to 7. All the structural elements would have had to fail within milliseconds sequentially of each other to create the demolition we witnessed. Bah, why do I waste time on shills....]
Disinfo is disinfo. You are disinfo.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
If NIST had said that some sort of “thermal expansion” was a factor in WTC 1 and 2, it would be something to discuss: because WTC 1 and 2 were demolished in situ by some sort of explosive device(s) of great energy intensity and didn’t really “collapse”, as Steven Jones would have us believe. But everyone in the 9/11 Truth movement agrees that WTC 7 was a classic controlled demolition.
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Figurately, this whole incident had to happen in New York State, that has another lottery motto, othe than “A dollar and a Dream” This one big: “Hey, you know!”
Well, WE KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
There’s a recent post on this over at One More Promethean
http://www.onemorepromethean.com/
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
blaje:
Good point..They will remove valuable assets from an area they are about to attack…This would be true in D.C. if they started to empty (or switch with copies) priceless paintings from the National Gallery or other valuable assets on the National Mall, like the Hope Diamond…The National Gallery is like Fort Knox, worth billions…
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Fucking Zionists! They believe that we are stupid cunts. I cant wait to listen to them attempt defending this bullshit. You can lie all you want however math and the physical properties that govern what we understand as “the universe” will never be variables.
http://www.911missinglinks.com/
Well worth the time to view if you would like to see who the real bad guys are.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Ya…that’s what happened…right…sure…uhuh.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:22 pm
(oh yeah, for those not familiar with the area, National Gallery of Art is right beside the U.S.Capitol. They’re all sturdy marble structures, but everything’s finite, right Netanyahu??)
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:24 pm
@ AlpaOmega
Sorry but the truth is that this article calls “thermal expansion” a “never before observed new phenomenon”
How the hell do you debunk something thats made-up and doesn’t exist. And why would we have to debunk it if it isn’t proven ??
That’s not how science works, something has to be agreed upon by a wide selection of your peers will something be recognized as truth, no critisism by other scientist (who would have torn the report apart)has been possible on this *theory*.
Our theories were brushed off by the NIST without explanation, a bit too easy don’t you think ?? let them do it on c.n.n. and then do a poll who is more credible.
You are ether paid-by or brainwashed by the establishment we are trying to fight.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:41 pm
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August 22nd, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Quotation by Mark:
“If you need NIST to explain how Bldg 7 came down…”
“But if you have any common sense in your head, you already know what happened.”
So, common sense boy, what happened then? Give me a physics breakdown on the collapse of WTC 7 since you know soooo much about it and don’t need to be told by actual scientists who did an exhaustive investigation.
You do know physics and the dynamics of building collapse, don’t you? I mean, you’re not just some idiot truther accusing someone (you don’t even know who) of murder based on your reliance of the opinion of someone else whose opinion is not shared by most of the rest of the world’s scientific community, are you?
Come on, super genius, TELL ME WHY THERMAL EXPANSION IS SO “LUDICROUS.” As before, don’t spare the
I challenge any idiot here to tell me why thermal expansion is so “ludicrous” without posting a link to someone’s opinion which you’ve adopted because you’re too ignorant and uneducated to do otherwise.
Failing that, can you at least admit that it’s pretty stupid to accuse someone of murder when you don’t even understand the principle upon which you’re making the accusation?
BTW Mark, it doesn’t work to call someone dumb when the contrary is obviously true. Conversely, I think it’s pretty safe to call you dumb.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
this is the start of a huge failure to many industrials sectors… the very first one will be the INSURANCE agencies please point to me a insurance company that will like make a contract with a building that can be in a A collapse by fire… and how much they will charge
this is the beginning of the end
The USA insurance system is an inside job
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Quotation by John-Michael P. Talboo
“Most people tend to feel that the victims families deserve answers to their 250 unanswered questions.”
This is a lot different than accusing someone (you don’t even know who) of mass murder, and other serious crimes, because you “KNOW” how building 7 collapse despite a lack of knowledge of the scientific principles underlying building performance and a lack of investigation of the actual collapse.
Nice strawman, buddy.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Quotation by Burtranious
“How much money do you think Alex Jones makes off the Ads and Banners from InfoWars and Prison Planet?”
You know, Alex himself often asks “who benefitted most from 9/11?”
I say, it is but you, Alex. As proof I request that Alex Jones give an honest assessment of his popularity and pocket book before and after 9/11. Couple that with his “prediction” of 9/11…
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Quotation by Zammy:
““thermal expansion” is ludicrous because they had to resort to a “new phenomenon” to AVOID the OBVIOUS explanation of a controlled demolition.”
No, no. Give me the SCIENTIFIC explanation. Surely, you know and understand it. And please explain…in SCIENTIFIC terms (physics, chemistry, etc.)…why controlled demolition is the “OBVIOUS” explanation. Please illustrate to me that you understand the science and scientific principles underlying the collapse of WTC 7, that which you use to accuse some anonymous body of mass murder. Thank you.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Quotation by Steve Williams:
““Thermal expansion”?
That is so utterly STUPID beyond words!
And we’re supposed to believe that total BS?”
How so, Steve? Show, don’t tell.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Quotation by Paul Joseph Watson’s genius self:
“Yet fails to address why ground zero workers and media outlets had prior knowledge of an “extraordinary event” never before observed an hour in advance, plus myriad of other ignored issues”
Why would NIST address such non-scientific issues? Their domain was a comprensive and exhaustive investigation (that’s right truthers, an actual away from keyboard…AFK…SCIENTIFIC investigation that didn’t…OMG!…involve Google or YouTube) of the collapse of WTC 7, not fantasies derived from the action of other people on that day.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Nescio & dr w,
The NIST report does not call “thermal expansion” a never before observed “new phenomenon.” Thermal expansion is an expected result of fire so it is therefore not a “new phenomenon” in any case. The fires in the building were blamed in the report. As dr w said, “This sentence, of course, makes no sense syntactically” so then that phrase is inaccurate and does not make sense but was what was written. The “new phenomenon” in this case is the collapse by fire. At any rate how much or how little of a factor “thermal expansion” is in this is not a “new phenomenon” so put that in your pipe and smoke it!
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:24 pm
ok… understandably, this is all a huge crock of shit. but, even if they did “pull” wtc 7, who gives a rats ass. while I do agree that they are a bunch of liars and very well may have been in on 9/11… i think they should have blown wtc7 on the basis of CIA FBI and Secret Service having occupied that building. with all the chaos of the towers falling, and damage having been caused to tower 7 which caused the building to be evacuated, there would have been lots of people trying to go through anything and everything in that building. this could have compromised national security in many different ways. blowing the building was not really that bad of an idea. it was actually an ingenius idea. BUT… they need to come foward and tell us that is what happened. they have lied to us enough.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:19 pm
“Thermal expansion” was mentioned 11 times in the NIST report…
“New phenomenon” was a phrase never mentioned in the entire NIST report…
The NIST report did mention “combined thermal expansion and thermally degraded material properties” 3 times…
If you read the report it clearly explains the position of NIST and that they could find no evidence of explosives being used to fall WTC7. Essentially as a non regulatory agency there purpose is to suggest improvements in building materials and building techniques to make improvements to the building industry as a whole. All of that is in the report but nothing about “new phenomenons” and for that we need to go to the press conference.
It is at the press conference that the “new phenomenon” of a “new kind of fire induced progressive collapse” was elaborated on by the NIST representatives.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Oh Boy!!!
If you believe this so-called ’scientific evidence’, then I’ve got some beach front property in Southern Utah to sell for cheap!!! Science is only REAL science when politics is NOT involved in the ‘outcome’! Anything coming from government-paid people, agencies, and the like are to be viewed with suspicion. The figures don’t lie, just the liars figure! The ONLY things in any of those buildings that could have created a fire hot enough to melt STEEL would have been things, reagents, etc., that did NOT BELONG IN THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE! Wood, paper, oil, diesel, gasoline, kerosene, and similar simply DO NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL! There! There’s basic, scientific fact!!!
-JSSmith
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Is it just me or does it sound like a lot of the negative people posting on here that are for NIST’s theories sound like they are writen by the same person? Maybe sounds like disinformation ment change public opinion? …just a thought
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:58 pm
This new explanation is so bizarre that it is going to wake more people up than ever. One often gets the impression as though the rogue elements within the government are TRYING to expose themselves just on the basis of their asinine explanations. From their standpoint it would have been better to have just ignored the entire topic of WTC7. Most people do not even know about it - but by calling attention to it THEN coming up with on OBVIOUS dubious explanation is only going to throw MORE people to the side of skeptical inquiry of the official explanation.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 pm
JSSmith,
Steel does not have to melt in order for a structure to collapse. Thermal expansion causes long members like trusses to expand and distort in shape. Heating steel will excite the atoms inside causing expansion and greater expansion on the longest points. Uneven heating will cause distortion in shape etc.
Now explosives are another matter and from what I remember the latest craze among 9-11ers is “thermate” or “thermite” and those are not explosives. The use of shape charges would not create much if any residual heat or much fire since explosives can in fact be used to blow out fires. NIST was unable to find actual “proof” of explosives.
There are several false claims running here being:
1) Thermal expansion is being discounted as relevant when it simply is completely relevant.
2) The fires raging in WTC7 were not severe and were easily controllable when in fact even videos show that they were massive and ultimately ran out of control.
3) The physical damage to WTC7 from WTC1&2 was at most “minor” when in fact it was massive.
4) The photos showing the WTC7 damage have been called “fakes or “the wrong building” by some 9-11ers and in reality the truth is that the photos showing massive damage to WTC7 are authentic and point out that 9-11ers rely on “spin” like FOX news.
Now we have a fraudulent statement that NIST never made being created by this article and the article on the other 9-11 site. Now, you stated that, “The ONLY things in any of those buildings that could have created a fire hot enough to melt STEEL would have been things, reagents, etc., that did NOT BELONG IN THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE! Wood, paper, oil, diesel, gasoline, kerosene, and similar simply DO NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL! There! There’s basic, scientific fact!!!” but that is one of several assumptions on your part.
Heating steel causes expansion 100% of the time to that steel. Steel building components are not designed to withstand continuous fire for any appreciable length of time. This is why trusses and the like are typically coated with flame retardant materials to increase there “burn time.” Look at even the most basic building materials and you will see. Take a steel fire door that is used in construction every day with a steel frame. These are rated in 1/2 hour increments for burn time.
You don’t like it but the fact is that once you heat metal it looses surface tension and becomes weaker. Metal will fatigue and will bend and distort from exposure to heat no matter what you say, do or believe. Google Thermal Expansion and read all about it. It is no secret and by all appearances was not well thought out when the WTC complex was originally constructed.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Hoohoohoohoohahahahaha! Boy, I love to see the NIST squirm! Maybe it was leprechauns with lit matches that brought WT7 down! Yeah, that was it! Leprechauns! Or maybe it was a small asteroid that nobody saw or heard, and that didn’t show up in the videos of the collapse! Yeah, that’s it! An asteroid!!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Why do we believe Zionists are the masterminds of the September 11 attack? Let us count the reasons…
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Zion-Summary.html
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 pm
You people are nucking futs. What’s to say they’re not “covering” some type of other activity not carried out by the US gov’t? And if they are covering up - how much did they have to pay the BBC media - all employees, every NYC fire fighter that just went through seeing their buddies and friend killed, police, EMS, officials involved with knowledge? No - what we have here is a minority of you #ucking wack-jobs that want to push an alternative agenda of anarchy and watch this country crumble. If you hate it so much, the politics, lying and corruption, become a #ucking canunk you whiny bastard!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Richard is a good man. my name is john carroll and i am a police detective in jersey city, nj and a 9/11 survivor. you can call me on my cell phone 201-725-0913…..everbody else posting here is either a screwball or a plant,,,
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
no nale said:
Why would NIST address such non-scientific issues? Their domain was a comprensive and exhaustive investigation (that’s right truthers, an actual away from keyboard…AFK…SCIENTIFIC investigation that didn’t…OMG!…involve Google or YouTube) of the collapse of WTC 7, not fantasies derived from the action of other people on that day.
Maybe prior knowledge is not their domain but it is absurd to suggest that addressing the issue of prior knowledge is not an issue that science and reason can address. And you have a problem with youture and google. Perhaps that is your problem. You should google “wtc7 bbc” and discover that evidence that there was prior knowledge of the collaps. That requires an explanation outside the realm of NIST perhaps but not outside the realm of rational thinking humans who care about this world.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 pm
sounds like a lot of crap to me!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 pm
“Is that why I marched..twice..against the war in Iraq? Is that why I held the Palestinian flag while marching to free Mumia Abu-Jamal in Philadelphia?”
In all likelihood, yes.
If that’s not acceptable to you, then:
Golly, there’s no way you could ever ever possibly be a zionist if you’ve done all that. Why, you probably even funded Huey Newton!
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:37 am
what a sad bunch of pathetic morons you all are. you know nothing. speak to a real structural engineer and get a clue. your scientific method is: 1. believe in conspiracy theory 2. reject or ignore all evidence against theory 3. cling on to any factiod that might support theory.
LOL
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 am
zionists did WTC
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 am
“speak to a real structural engineer”
You mean a domino design technician?
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:00 am
Pile upon pile of bs.When they resort to a “miracle” as an explanation you know they are desperate.Endgame indeed - theyr world of lies is soon to collapse from an uncontrolled demolition.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:50 am
Is there not a one prosecutor in the entire country with testicular fortitude to convene a grand jury and begin investigating
procedures against the criminal enterprise that has hijacked the country? Starting with the small level lieutenants doing the dirty job of cover up and gradually applying carrots and sticks make them take us up the food chain all the way to the kingpins,
gradually dismantling the entire criminal enterprise.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 am
Gee holy cow, what a pathetic moron YOU are. Are you saying the strutural engineers who question this New Phenomenon theory are not “qualified” to do so? OK..let’s IGNORE them! Are you questioning the evidence of those WHO WERE THERE? OK..let’s IGNORE them! Are you questioning the evidence of news outlets who reported the building collapsed before it actually happened? OK..let’s IGNORE them. What about the video evidence of firefighters saying, “The building will be coming down soon?”. OK..let’s IGNORE them! Maybe YOU wish to hang on to any factoid that might support YOUR belief? You talk about rejecting and ignoring evidence - you have got to be joking!
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:17 am
Alex, thank you so much for your work. I’ve been investigating 9/11 for several years. When I found your work I thought that you were a crackpot even though I was already quite convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. When I started independently investigating your insane claims from your movies I can say with extreme confidence that I found what YOU say is truth.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 am
Once again, I will not subject my intelligence to any of the Watson’s family’s amateur journalism. They severely impede the credibility of this site and their profoundly ignorant fundamental Christianity literal interpretations of the Bible, concludes they have a severe lack of basic analytical/reasoning facilities.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 am
Once again, I will not subject my intelligence to any of the Watson’s family’s amateur journalism. They severely impede the credibility of this site and their profoundly ignorant fundamental Christianity literal interpretations of the Bible concludes they have a severe lack of basic analytical/reasoning facilities.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm
THE “NEW PHENOMENON” WE ARE SUBJECTED TO IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF HORSE SHIT ONE NATION CAN ENDURE FROM A PATHOLOGICALLY SICK AND TWISTED GOVERNMENT. BUILDING 7 AND ITS’ DESTRUCTION IS SELF EVIDENT, ANYBODY CAN KNOW THE DEPTH OF THIS COVER UP BY THE PREPOSTEROUS CONCLUSION CONCOCTED BY THE NIST.
LIKE THE OTHER DUBIOUS CONCLUSION ON THE TWIN TOWERS, THAT “THEY PANCAKED” INTO DUST IN JUST OVER TEN SECONDS IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION. RUN THE VIDEOS IN SLOW MOTION AND WATCH AS THEY ARE BLASTED INTO OBLIVION. DID YOU SEE ANY PANCAKING AT THE TOP WHERE THEY BOTH EJECT MASSIVE STEEL BEAMS LIKE TOOTHPICKS FROM HUGE EXPLOSIVE CHARGES? PANCAKE MY ASS.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Thermal expansion has only been known to cause structural damage during fire in the case of very massive concrete frames. This is because only where a frame is very stiff can large enough forces be generated for structural failure to ensue. I have not had a chance to read the nist report (I will tomorrow). Does anyone know whether they address this issue?
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
CM, this article is a perfectly fair and appropriate review of the nist output on wtc7. If Mr Watson has a predisposition to doubt NIST, it can only be because their history of half-truths and refusal to examine the issues frankly has given him cause.
I also find your attack on Mr Watson’s religious beliefs to be more an indication of your closed mind than evidence of his
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
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Following Zakheim and Pentagon trillions to Israel and 9-11
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor
Jul 31, 2006, 00:19
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Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11’s rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim’s watch.
Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense. So the dark card was shifted to another part of the deck.
Judicial Inc’s bio of Dov (linked below) tells us Zakheim was/is a dual Israeli/American citizen and an ordained rabbi and had been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. He is, as I described him earlier, the bionic Zionist. In fact, Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel’s armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.
Judicial Inc also points out that Israel, a country of 4.8 million Russian and Polish Jewish émigrés, flies on one of the biggest Air Forces in the world, thanks to Dov. Conflict of interest here? Depends on what you’re interested in. That is, in 2001 Dov was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.
More from the resume: Wikipedia points out that Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co-author of the Project for the New American Century’s position paper, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.
As to Dov’s hell-raiser lineage, Judicial Inc points out that Grandpa Zakheim was born in 1870, Julius Zakheim (Zhabinka), in the Ukraine, a Russian rabbi who married a relative of Karl Marx. He was a Menshevik/Bolshevik and played a leading role in the 1905 turmoil that paved the way for the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolshevik master plan called for the state of Israel, which was chosen for its proximity to the world’s oil and an area of religious significance.
Dov’s Father, Rabbi Jacob I. Zakheim was born in 1910 and reared in Poland’s swarm of Zionist hard guys, read assassins and bombers. His Polish town, near Bilaystok, also brought us Yitzhak Shir, and family friends included Menachem Begin and Moshe Arens. Dov’s father was an active member of Betar, formed in 1923 in Riga, Latvia. Its goal was to control the Middle East (and its oil). It was known that the Jewish people needed their own country and they chose Palestine and claimed it a Jewish state “on both sides of the Jordan.”
Betar was in essence a terrorist organization formed because Zionists were sick of being chased from and arrested in country after country. They wanted both a place to escape and a base for their power. Betar joined forces with the Haganah, Irgun, and Stern gangs. With no prospect of a Jewish state in sight, they argued that armed struggle against the British was the only way. Since Britain occupied Palestine and was containing them they went on a blood feast of bombings that killed hundreds of British soldiers. The British pulled out, but the Zionists continue to maul the Arabs to this day.
For a concise history on the Formation of Israel in 1947, I suggest this link to theocracywatch.org.
For an interesting look at “The United States and the Recognition of Israel: A Chronology” compiled from Harry S. Truman and the Founding of Israel by Michael T. Benson, link above. For a rounded look at Israel, see Wikipedia.
Returning to Dov: he was born in Brooklyn in 1943 and attended exclusive Jewish schools, spent summers in Israel Zionist camps, which trained the Zionists of the future. As to Dov’s formal education, he graduated from Columbia University in 1970 and the University of Oxford in 1972. From 1973 to 75, he attended the London school of Jewish studies, described as a “Harry Potter” type cauldron; among the subjects Jewish supremacy, Advanced Bible, Talmud, Jewish Mysticism, Holocaust, Anglo-Judaica, and Zionism. After, he was ordained a Rabbi. From 1975 to 80, Zakheim was an adjunct professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University, Columbia University and Trinity College, Hartford, Connecticut.
As he stepped into the Reagan administration, he talked them into funding development of the Lavi Fighter at a cost of $3 billion. The Lavi was a total flop and Israel dropped it, though it owed $450 million in contract fees that were cancelled. Israel, according to Judicial Inc, also created a story that China was eager to buy the Lavi. Zakheim convinced Reagan that China had to be sandbagged. Reagan gave Israel $500 million for its lost contracts. Reagan then threw in a wing of F-16’s as a bonus and sign of good will. Do we see a pattern here, personal, familial, career-wise, of over-the-top Israeli advocacy?
Again, during Zakheim’s tenure as Pentagon controller from May 4, 2001, to March 10, 2004, over $3 trillion dollars were unaccounted for. Additionally, military Information was jeopardized and military contractors billed the US for Israeli items: $50 million dollar fighter jets were rated as surplus and the list rolls on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaced and Dov resigned, Israel was handed the finest fighter jets in the US inventory while 15 percent of US jets were grounded for lack of parts. In whose best interest was this?
But Dov is not alone. He is one of an elite group of Jewish Americans/Israelis who inter-marry and enter government. They and their Christian counterparts are called neocons and their sole purpose is directing US policy. Most of them are dual citizens and few serve in the US military. Think of Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, Ben Wattenberg, to mention a few. Whether their motivation is anger at the Muslim world, seen as a religious and territorial enemy, or a deep-rooted reaction to the Holocaust, the culmination of European anti-Semitism, their reactionary militarism becomes a world-threatening force unto itself. Hence our concern.
Dov and the World Trade Center
Perhaps not coincidentally in May 2001, when Dov served at the Pentagon, it was an SPS (his firm’s) subsidiary, Tridata Corporation, that oversaw the investigation of the first “terrorist” attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. This would have given them intimate knowledge of the security systems and structural blueprints of the World Trade Center. From the ’90s through 2001, WTC Security was handled by Securacom, a Kuwait-American firm, on whose board Marvin Bush, the president’s brother, sat. After 9/11, Securacom was let go, changed its name to Stratosec, and was delisted from the Stock Exchange in 2002.
According to Conspiracy News.net writers Shadow and ‘Pax’ in Dov Zakheim and the 9/11 Conspiracy, (and I suggest you look at this link) “According to the SPC website (4), a recent customer at that time was Eglin AFB, located in Florida. Eglin is very near another Air Force base in Florida-MacDill AFB, where Dov Zakheim contracted to send at least 32 Boeing 767 aircraft, as part of the Boeing /Pentagon tanker lease agreement. (5)
”As the events of September 11, 2001 occurred, little was mentioned about these strange connections, and the possible motives and proximity of Dov Zakheim and his group. Since there was little physical evidence remaining after the events, investigators were left only with photographic and anecdotal evidence.
“There is a photograph of the Flight Termination System module, from their site.(5). Note it has a cylindrical shape, and is consistent with the size and shape of the object observed under the fuselage of flight 175.
“The Boeing lease deal involved the replacement of the aging KC-135 tanker fleet with these smaller, more efficient Boeing 767s that were to be leased by Dov Zakheim’s group. The planes were to be refitted with refueling equipment, including lines and nozzle assemblies.”
(Remember both Flight 175, that hit the South Tower, and Flight 11, that hit the North Tower, were Boeing 767s. Flights 77 and 93 were 757s.)
“In the enlargement of flight 175’s photo, we can clearly see a cylindrical object under the fuselage, and a structure that appears to be attached to the right underside of the rear fuselage section.
”When seen in comparison, it is obvious that the plane approaching the Trade Center has both of these structures-the FTS module and the midair refueling equipment, as configured on the modified Boeing 767 tankers. Of particular interest is the long tube-like anomalous structure under the rear fuselage area of flight 175-this structure runs along the right rear bottom of the plane, as it also does on the Boeing 767 refueling tanker pictured.
”After considering this information, I [the author/s] am convinced that flight 175, as pictured on the news media and official reports, was in fact a refitted Boeing 767 tanker, with a Flight Termination System attached. Use of this system would also explain the expert handling of aircraft observed in both New York and Washington investigations, which has been officially credited to inexperienced flight school students.
“Since the refitted 767s were able to carry both passengers and a fuel load, as shown in this photo, it is likely that the plane designated Flight 175 was in fact a refitted 767 tanker, disguised as a conventional commercial passenger plane.
“As shown in this photo of a 767 being serviced, the FTS unit, when in position, would be small and unobtrusive enough to be fairly innocuous (at least to casual observers, such as passengers). The smallest circle indicates the size and position of the anomaly depicted in the photos of Flight 175. The larger circle, which is the size of the engine housing, shows the size of the anomaly in relation to the engine. Note the size and position of the open hatches on the engine housing, which would tend to discredit the widely held theory that the anomaly is an open hatch or cargo door.
“As the . . . diagram shows, all flights involved in the events traveled very near many military installations, and appear to have traveled in a manner suggesting guidance and possible transfer of the control of the planes among the bases.
”Since the evidence from the World Trade Center site was quickly removed, there is little concrete evidence of the involvement of Dov Zakheim, who has since left his position at the Pentagon. However, the proximity of Eglin AFB to MacDill AFB in Florida and Dov Zakheim’s work via SPC contracts and the Pentagon leasing agreement on both of these installations, combined with SPC’s access to World Trade Center structural and security information from their Tridata investigation in 1993, is highly suspicious. Considering his access to Boeing 767 tankers, remote control flight systems, and his published views in the PNAC document, it seems very likely he is in fact a key figure in the alleged terrorist attacks in New York City on September 11, 2001.”
EDITORIAL RESPONSE TO READERS’ COMMENTS:
”In response to some of our readers who have questioned our premise that it was Rabbi Dov Zakheim who ‘called for’ the Pearl Harbor type of incident, we here at Conspiracy News Net acknowledge that the PNAC document was written by the likes of William Kristol and Donald Kagan, and therefore as the real brains behind the agenda they are the ones calling for it in a literal sense. However, we do stand by our assertion that the Rabbi called for it as well, insofar that he signed his name onto this document. If he signed it he agrees with it and therefore he is calling for it.
”Some of you have argued that we are singling out Rabbi Zakheim because he is Jewish, implying that we are pushing some sort of twisted anti-Semitic agenda while noting that he is not the only one who signed the PNAC document and therefore wondering why our article is about him and not the others. We do not mean to imply that the Rabbi acted alone, our article simply points out that Rabbi Zakheim had access to things like structural integrity, blueprints and any number of important facets of information about the WTC through his work with TRIDATA CORPORATION in the investigation of the bombing of the WTC in 1993.
“That he had access to REMOTE CONTROL Technology through his work at System Planning Corporation (SPC). That he had access to BOEING AIRCRAFT through a lease deal HE BROKERED while working at the Pentagon.
“ . . . Finally that he was part of a group of politically radical Straussian Neo-Conservatives, who, through their association with PNAC, called for restructuring of the Middle East, noting that a Pearl Harbor type of event MAY BE NEEDED to foster the frame of mind required for the American public to accept such a radical foreign policy agenda. In light of all this information we here at Conspiracy News Net stand by our statement that Mr. Zakheim not only called for the slamming of the WTC Towers on 9-11, but he activity took part in their demolition by providing the logistics necessary for such an attack to occur.”
Coda, a Bitter Frosting on the Cake
Whether or not you agree in whole or in part with these findings, here is an eye-opening article originally from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette by Milan Simonich. It is titled Army unit piecing together accounts of Pentagon attack, and from it comes this striking information in paragraph six . . .”One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck.”
Apart from the question of whether it was F 77 that struck the Pentagon, it is more than ironic that accountants, bookkeepers and budgets analysts, the very people who could pick up the financial frauds were struck. Especially since the hit was directed supposedly at the Office of Naval Intelligence.
Nevertheless, Dov is busy at his Booz Allen job, involved in Strategic Services and who knows what other dark plans as we speak, even as the Middle East is under heavy fire once again from Israel and its fervid ally, the US government.
Jerry Mazza is a freelance writer living in New York. Reach him at gvmaz@verizon.net.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Listen very carefully you kooks: If Glen Beck says that WTC7 collapsed due to fire THEN WTC7 COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE! WHAT PART OF THAT DON’T YOU KOOKS UNDERSTAND?
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Rover,
I agree.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
tim said:
“Following Zakheim and Pentagon trillions to Israel and 9-11
Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004…….”etc. etc. etc.
Great article and the author is probably correct in every detail………except for one very, very important detail, which puts him, and you, way “behind the curve”[ just like the people who run this site].
The “live” plane videos were all faked. No planes hit WTC 1, 2, or the Pentagon. See “September Clues” parts 1 +2 [new versions] at: http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice/
http://www.onebornfree.blogspot.com
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:06 pm
It’s continual smoke and mirrors, it woudve been better for them to keep quiet and pretend WTC 7 never existed, as they were doing.
It’s pretty apparent that what ever hit the ground in PA was suppose to go into WTC 7 and obviously never got there, but the timed implosion was still going ahead and couldnt be reversed.
JeffD
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
With this new single-point failure mode, naturally, all high-rises must be immediately evacuated, until the appropriate structural improvements can be fully implemented. For that matter, is any building safe to be in?
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Why is an Accounting major at Yale University the head of the NIST investigation.
Shyam Sunder can be seen here: http://www.som.yale.edu/facult.....rsonal.htm
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 pm
this new WTC7 report will fuel the growth of the architects and engineers’ segment of the movement.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:48 am
Concerned: we are talking about two quite different Shyam Sunders!
The Shyam Sunder you mention is not an ‘accounting major’ but rather the very esteemed James L. Frank Professor of Accounting, Economics and Finance at Yale School of Management! He is very well known and respected in his field.
The other Shyam Sunder has engineering degrees from the Indian Institute of Technology and from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He is also very well known in his field and has tons of experience. With all his higher degrees and experience, however, it is rather strange that he would sacrifice his former good reputation to be a prostitute for NIST.
August 24th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Shyam Sunder is the graduate equivalent of an Indian call-center worker. Dangle some dollars in front of his nose and he will kiss your ass all the way to Bangalore and back.
August 24th, 2008 at 9:05 am
JeffDoz:
Nothing hit the ground in Penn and nothing was shot down there. The Shanksville gouge was made with a bulldozer and then some trash was scattered around it.
August 24th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Obama school record lists him as Indonesian citizen
Saturday, 23 August 2008 11:53 administrator Translation shows Obama to be Indonesian citizen.
Attachments: File Description File size
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Last Updated ( Saturday, 23 August 2008 22:48 )
Forensic analysis of Obama birth certificate
Saturday, 23 August 2008 16:17 administrator Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. Why? Why a COLB (certificate of live birth) forgery? That is the question.
My deepest thanks and appreciation our forensic analyst’s unwavering commitment to the truth despite the threats and harassment, the slashed tires and the dead animal on his porch.
The analyst is an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.
What is this? What does it have to do with anything?
It’s one of the many illustrations in the forensic analysis
Here is his analysis:
Obama’s Birth Certificate – CHANGE you can believe in.
I have decided to leave out the low level technicalities and the how-to section of this report due to a lack of time and more importantly I want to get the facts out as quickly as possible. As some of you may or may not know some asshat decided to track me down and vandalize my car and hang a dead mutilated rabbit from my front door in a lame attempt to intimidate me from proceeding with releasing any details of my analysis. They did succeed in delaying the report by a few days but instead of deterring me they just really pissed me off. To their credit, if I had not taken a few days off from the analysis I would have missed the most damning piece of evidence – the remnants of the previous security border. So to the demented retard who slaughtered an animal to make a point – f*ck you and thank you. And because of the amazing number of violent psychopaths who seem to be drawn to this issue, I am not going to use or supply any details that can be used to identify the owners of the COLBS used in the analysis except for those which have already been publicly disclosed. If the owners want to come forward on their own that is entirely their decision. Now let’s get to the summarized report
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Soetoro divorce docket
Saturday, 23 August 2008 11:31 administrator The docket is taken directly from:
Family Court (O`ahu First Circuit) Phone Number
Ka`ahumanu Hale
777 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu Hi 96813 - 5093 .
Online access to case information is provided by the State of Hawai`i Judiciary (Judiciary)
The Docket shows when Stanley Ann Soetoro filed for divorce against Lolo Soetoro. The marriage is important because bases on the laws at the time, it affects Obama’s citizenship and likely caused him to be an Indonesian citizen and no longer an American citizen. The divorce decree proves that the marriage existed.
August 24th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I will ‘Never Forget’ the first thought that came into my mind when I saw the Twin Towers smoking on 9/11.
That thought was “Damn those Israelis.”
August 24th, 2008 at 10:44 am
http://www.onemorepromethean.com
August 24th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Debunkonator said: “@ Easy. No planes hit the twin towers? What about all the camcorder videos from everyday Joes that show the planes hitting the towers and the thousands of eyewitnesses. ….”
Quit whining or guffawing or whatever the hell it is you are doing and go watch “September Clues” parts 1 & 2 here :
http://www.livevideo.com/user/.....CF09FBD070
IF you have the nerve, and the attention span, that is.
All of your [valid] questions about so-called “amateur videos” by “everyday joes”, and alleged “independent eyewitness reports”,along with many other questions you might have are more than adequately answered via a devasting frame by frame analysis of the supposed “live raw footage” broadcast by the media corps., and of the supposed “amateur videos” supposedly shot by “average joes” who “just happened to be in the right place at the right time” that day. What a scam.
It will probably change your life and you will _never _ trust a news broadcast again.
http://www.onebornfree.blogspot.com
August 25th, 2008 at 8:53 am
We aren’t going for this one either…
Think! “thermal expansion” is a .50 cent word for “explosion”…
And if that is true, and it is, “thermal expansion” also brought down the twin towers, made a hole in the pentagon, etc…!
It’s another bad joke done in poor taste.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Man it’s beyond lame and farcical. We apparently are only now learning the dynamics of fire and hitherto unobserved phenomenon in and around fire.
Wow. Impressive!!
They need a magic ingredient.
How about the fire came in contact with……..Leprechauns, shifting the blame from the Mossad and the US shadow govt, to the Irish. Yeah those Irish are cunning, and good at making bombs.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I’ve noticed several trolls on this site posting the regular debunker crap BUT refusing to address the facts. Such as: Where are the pancaked floors? REAL collapses result in layers upon layers of pancaked floors but not those of 911 where instead we find floors pulverized into dust. 2nd: How does thermal expansion explain the countdown to “collapse” that was reported by numerous witnesses? And finally, from the day that Silverstein took over he began powering down floor after floor with the excuse that they were installing new cable for TV and internet. The problem with that is that you don’t power down for cable and Internet! It has nothing whatsoever to do with electrical lines.
Everything Bush has said is a blatant lie but yet these “debunkers” would have you put YOUR trust in a known liar and his PAID team of “scientists.” Produce some WMD’s debunker. Produce some pancakes. Otherwise crawl back under the traitor rock you came from.
August 26th, 2008 at 6:07 am
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August 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
“”Tucker
August 22,2008
I wonder how the captured medias of the world will report on this?
There have been many bloggers from other countries on these boards saying they hate us for our stupidity, our lack of guts in getting these monsters out of our government.
So, how did your country’s new media report this? Will they point out it’s absurdity–or will they also conspire to lie like they did in reporting Russia attacked Georgia? Pay close attention.
If they do back this fairy tale by NIST, then you know YOUR own gov. and media are corrupt, complicit, co-conspirators and that you’ve got your own monsters to slay.
So, what are you gonna do about that?”"
“”Tucker
August 22,2008
Has anyone else noticed that last weeks goofy ‘Bigfoot’ story/media circus is now being inserted into the reporting on the NIST report as evidence that conspiracy theorists are gullible idiots?
I smell a setup.”"
hi…..some of you know me, most of you dont….i am no longer going to post on using my name….the posts above were NOT typed by me, not to say i dissagree with my ghost writing friend, but i dont know enough about the bigfoot thing, to post on it, and i kind of think con-theory guys, are, at the least, slightly less gullible than the thousands of ppl, that bought the whole “terrorist” thing…
so that being said, i will post, i will be here, but i will no longer post as Tucker….but seeing as somebody sees fit to use my name and not my spirit, some of my words may have somebody else worried….as is my goal….to get ppl thinking…
so, do as i do, spam republican blogs, hammer the enemy at every chance, use small ways to disrupt the machine, keep your heads down, protect your rights, even in the face of arrest..(cuz @ the district level, your rights are still pretty well protected), and these are the small ways we have available to us, as legislation is under way to really hammer “eco-terrorists, and freedom loving ppl” as “terrorists”…..so, be well, and be prepared…..
August 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
This is total B.S.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
WARNING TO EVERYONE,DO NOT USE YOUR OVEN FOR COOKING IT WILL COLLAPSE!!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
“”I challenge any idiot here to tell me why thermal expansion is so “ludicrous” without posting a link to someone’s opinion which you’ve adopted because you’re too ignorant and uneducated to do otherwise.”"
ok, here it is dumb ass,
for thermal expansion to make the whole building fail at the exact time, from the top corner, to the adjacent lowest floor corner, every simpson tie, every weld, rivet, joist, truss, beam, load bearing wall, not to mention the bunker part all turning to shit in seconds, would require that one engineered the parts to different specs, to fail at different temperatures, otherwise, the energy to create enough heat to make 80,000sq feet (or whatever), of building hot enough to have it all fail at the same time is enormous…..way too much energy,,1000men with flamethrowers couldnt create the heat necessary…no i am NOT a scientist….i have eyes, and a brain…eat me you little fuck tard, you are meanngless….and not soooooo fuckin’ smart afterall
August 26th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
my cock got 65% bigger, in only 3 weeks!!!! thanx, thermal expansion (tm.)
August 27th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Everyone let’s support Alex at the DNC. We all know that this nonsense about thermal expansion is just the first in many dis info.
The truth will set our country free. Keep Alex on the lead.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:36 am
from:http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html
“Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79…….
caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor……..
This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported……”
So the floors were only held up by column 79, and column 79 was only held up by the floors. Forget fires, a strong gust of wind probably brought the thing down
September 9th, 2008 at 6:48 am
from: http://www.nist.gov/public_aff.....82108.html
“Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79…….
caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor……..
This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported……”
So the floors were only held up by column 79, and column 79 was only held up by the floors. Forget fires, a strong gust of wind probably brought the thing down
December 21st, 2008 at 2:20 am
Everyone else can contend with Bldgs 1 & 2, Flight 93, and the Pentagon. I’ll continue my
suspicions about Bldg 7, ever since it fell on live ABC News…the 2 news anchors completely ignored the huge video display behind them. Any other time, a large 47-story building collapsing would garner their immediate “Look! Another building is going down……” normal news-hound reaction.
I continued to watch ABC news until 2 a.m. CDT, and never heard any explanations or saw video replays. Odd Dan Rather latched on to the topic on CBS News ( I have his video clip stored in several places).
The NIST report was quickly condemned by those in the audience + live Feeds, to the point the NIST folks soon trotted home with their tails between their legs.
Here in Omaha NE, I finally asked a Manhatten NY visitor about the ABC News mystery on Dec 27, 2004. When he calmly said “Visit WTC7.net”, I correctly presumed what I soon learned at my next Internet session at UNMC Library.
Well, a lot of gov’t folks are now ticked off at this retired Air Force guy (age 22 due to pneumonia complications 1972), and my “informant” warned me that soon even some family members would turn against me. I didn’t care. Truth is my only goal.
Not seeing W W II, Sep 11 2001 is thus the worst history day in my life.
Thanks to all you dedicated perons keeping these valuable websites running, and let’s see how Mr. Obama and Co. handle future questions pertaining to WTC!