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NSA: There Was No Pearl Harbor conspiracy
London Telegraph
Monday, Dec 08, 2008
A new study has concluded the US did not have advance warning about Japan’s plan to bomb Pearl Harbor.
Research has been released on the 67th anniversary of the attack on the key naval base which forced America to join World War II.
There have long been allegations that some in Washington knew in advance that the Japanese planned to target Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.
Now, a team at the National Security Agency (NSA) has carried out a study which rules out the long-held theory surrounding one of the Second World War’s most enduring mysteries
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According to historians, secret messages buried in Japanese-language weather reports, meant to alert Japanese diplomats worldwide to destroy confidential codes as war with America, Russia and Britain was beginning, did not reach US officials prior to the attack.
Under Japan’s “winds execute plan”, East wind rain meant the US, north wind cloudy was the erstwhile Soviet Union and west wind clear was Britain if diplomatic relations were “in danger” with one of three countries.
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December 8th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
One of the world’s most enduring mysteries is; why would anyone believe the NSA?
Pearl was known in advance, much like on 9/11 there was an active effort to stand down and allow the attack to go ahead. It served the purpose then of dragging the US into WW2 and 9/11 as most know served its purpose of creating the boondoggle of “The War on Terror”.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Graham, you are a f---ing asshole. This site loses more and more credibility everyday, because of assholes like you that cannot differentiate between real, credible information that our government is lying to us and just insinuating that every single god damn thing is a conspiracy or a lie. Other evil does exist in this world, Graham. I know its a scary concept to you, but our government does not know everything before it acts. Are you trying to spread the truth, like a lot of good, informed people on this site, or are you just entertained with spreading fear and fairy tales like Paul Watson, and some of the other posters?
December 8th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
disgusted…
you must lay off the language. so graham has an opinion…maybe he is wrong, maybe you are wrong. or it might be that both you and him are both wrong and right. pwatson does put together some interesting articles i give him that. he is a young kid who lives in a small apartment and gets paid s---. he has tons of enemies as well. pearl was a long time ago. we have read it in our history books for a long long time. the so-called facts are in writing in those lousy history books. just as 9/11 will be in them in the future with the lame truth they are telling us.
one thing your wrong about is that the world government does know everything before it acts. wake up pal, its called nwo and it has been around long before nwo. to think that our own govt. knew about pearl prior makes me sick. i dont want to believe it true. all said and done, i dont trust anyone on top of the pyramid. you make it clear that you are in fear! your anger answered that one. go watch stars wars again and you will see…
take a hike.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Attempting to rewrite history? oh that’s right, the US is always portraying itself as the victim. We had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, nothing to do with 9/11, RIGHT!
December 8th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
“our government”, disgusted!!! the american people and military are ponds on “our government’s” chess board. Disgusted, try taking the red pill. Simmerdown, good point, Disgusted is the one in fear with all his anger.
As Yoda said, “you must unlearn what you have learned”
December 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I would love to see all their evidence compared to the evidence that states otherwise and see which one comes out on top. Reproducibility is the only way that any theory can be proven or shown as false. Its also not like anyone will be held accountable, as accountability in this country just seems to make the suits look to the govt for a bailout….
Still waiting for one of these assholes to put up his whole net worth to save his company…..
Just goes to show that people with that much money don’t give a s--- about the guys that line their pockets.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Sherman must be rolling in his grave.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
what was that again, debunking, 27 warnings….. no its not, 27 warnings….. no its not(NSA)
owh and disgusted you are the one who dosend get it(#2)f---ing asshole wake up…
December 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
You people misinterpret. I am well aware of the NWO, etc etc etc……believe it or not, I am on your side. What you fail to understand is when you jump at every single event in modern history and say it was the fault of the NWO, you destroy credibility, such as Graham. Did our government know about 9/11? Of course, they orchestrated it. I apologize for my language, but some posters on this site with your “take the red pill”, “wake up” comments are the ones that need to wake up. Fight the NWO by supplying the people with cold-hard fact, not jumping on every story, and putting a ridiculous spin on it ( Watson). Spread the truth about 9/11, and not crap like “martial law”, which obviousely hasnt occurred three weeks after I read that it was supposed to. I have seen and believe that 9/11 was an inside job. My message may have been clouded with obscenities, but for Gods sake, stop quoting “The Matrix”, and “Star Wars”, and just try to understand what I’m saying. Good movies, though =)
December 8th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
It’s well known that Winston Churchill even had access to the Pearl Harbour early-warning data but deliberately withheld it … in order to guarantee America’s all important and vital entry into WWII to help bring about the wanted outcomes (Victory to the Allies) in the decisive battles ahead.
Don’t fall for this Bulls---. They are just experimenting with re-writing mainstream history.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Arthur McCollum Plan to provoking war is nothing?
December 8th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
The article is a propaganda, disinformation piece. If the truth was really told you would probably find that the study was never done. There’s no way that a government of any nation is going to admit or come clean on the crimes of the elite, especially one’s of the magnitude of Pearl Harbor, it would be like admitting to 9/11. Mystery my ass.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
WHY WOULD ANYONE DOUBT THEIR WORD?
UM ….
I THINK THEY SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME TRACKING DOWN TROUBLESOME EMITTERS,
WEB HACKERS, MAYBE EVEN TRACK EVERYTHING FROM DC TO DAYLIGHT, MAKE SURE
THAT NO NASTY FOREIGN COUNTRY IS USING RADIO EMISSIONS TO
ALTER THE THOUGHTS AND BEHAVIOURS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY POLITICANS, MILITARY INTEL OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, THE STUFF THE COPPER COATED NSA
BUILDING SHIELDS FROM THEIR OWN STAFF?
December 8th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
oh well. they got a few of our ships. we got their labor force and we nuked them. seems fair to me.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
A relative Robert M. (last name not given here at comments) was in the military at that time specializing in tele communications. He was ashamed to tell us on his death bed a few weeks beore he died -being laid at arlington cemetary.
HE DID RECIEVE A MESSAGE BEFORE THE ATTACKS WELL IN TIME TO PREPARE, BUT WAS COMMANDED TO DO NOTHING. HE WAS ASHAMED THE REST OF HIS LIFE THAT HE NEVER STOOD UP AND GO AGAINST HIS COMMANDING OFFICER AND DO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR HIS AMERICAN FREINDS !!
He died in 2002-admitted this all before his death, before he never wanted to talk about it. This all came about because he knew he had to face the Lord of Lords and he was on his death bed. So he wanted to get it all out! We were shocked, but some of us aware of the way the elite go about, it was only proof and verification of what went on.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Ok, we didn’t have “advanced knowledge” of the event (weeks or days). We still knew their planes were in the air heading towards our harbor before they got there.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I think I’m a patriot, but I also think that we do ourselves a disservice when we make claims and don’t irrefutably back them up. What is THE evidence that we knew in advance about the oncoming Pearl Harbor attack?
Someone just LAY it the FREAK out, okay?
That the History Channel says it, isn’t proof. That someone on a death bed allegedly said it isn’t proof.
“Where’s the beef” here?
December 8th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
READ THIS PLEASE:
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=815
Everyone knows Roosevelt wanted and needed a “Pearl Harbor type event”.
Not revisionism.
Just history.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
When a small Island in Hawaii publishes an article a mere seven days before the attack on Pearl Harbor saying that there was going to be an attack, you can rest assured that the US Government also had the same knowledge.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
When did the NSA become an independent non-biased investigative group? Sorry, nothing like preaching to the choir. Can I get an AMEN?!!
December 8th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
pearl habor was a tragedy, so much life was lost because of it on both sides. just for bankers. what a war huh? I really can’t believe that people continue to want to live this
way. We need to start thinking of new ideas outside of what we have always considered
the norm if we want change. We have to learn and understand were the root of all our problems come from. I believe its the monetary system. think really hard about it,
you can tie pretty much any major problem to it. be real about it.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
My friend who is 96 was a Navy officer in WW II. In the days before Pearl Harbor he was stationed in Seattle. His specialty was communications. Several years ago he told me the attack was not a surprise. He has no reason to lie about it.
One the other hand the NSA are known liars. They lied when they denied eavesdropping on Americans withhout warrants from the FISA court, a crime. They lied when they denied the existence of a room in a San Francisco AT&T facility where they patched into the fiber optic traffic of all AT&T customer voice and data communications looking for keywords.
http://cryptogon.com/?p=1588
What they did by law would require a separate warrant for each customer within 72 hours of each intercepted communication. That would have meant millions of warrants so the NSA was ordered to ignore the FISA (and constitutional) requirements and tap the communications illegally. Congress passed and Bush signed retroactive immunity to AT&T and now this unconstitutional invasion of privacy is protected.
There is no reason to believe anything the NSA says. Ever.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
next , their going to tell us there aint no santa claus !!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6ZIHbFQAzU
goldieshouse.piczo.com
December 8th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Rich they would never tell us that sort of lie about santa…he is too good for business,enjoy our last Christmas in peace and prosperity ,cause i think the s#it is about to hit the fan,go for sweet potatoes,the leaves can be used as a salad leaf,they are prolific and easy to grow,plant them now before the price goes up and they are worth more than gold.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I’ll need to review a dictionary, but I’m sure if the acronym NSA is in there, the definition of deceptive and corupt are sure to be there. I think this fairly well proves it, the attack was not only known, but the government allowed it to happen and even gave assistance in the form of depleting the Navy of Destroyers, who act as scouts.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Amen! CSNET! Couldn’t have said it better myself!
December 8th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
How in the hell can you have an arm of the government, which deals with secrets, come and do an investigation on itself? This is so non-news, its news!!
December 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
The NSA are trying (and FAILING) to set a tone for the future trials for the entire Bush Administration so that they can use this so called declaration if ignorance to protect the Bushes for their involvement in not only the past ILLEGAL wars but the very near future wars as well.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
They got the paperwork proving it was a False Flag Oppy mixed up with the planned take out of all the Brothas who had thier number years ago…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1xHPU7WwA
Every time they lie it reminds me of a bad rap album that at least has a good tune for those who enjoy being BrainWashed by the MainStreamMedia
December 8th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
If the NSA says so, it must be true…
December 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Who better to debunk a government conspiracy then a government agency. The mere idea that their study is valid independent research, is an insult to common sense itself.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
spin. what a great tool for the gov. I guess the fact that its in released white house documents doesn’t matter.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
The NSA admitted in court that for a whole year prior to the Oklahoma City bombing it had blown up Rider trucks filled with fertilizer fuel oil bombs. Except for that, any thing they say can be regarded as the gospel truth if you just invert the is and is not sense of it. Put a logical NOT over every verb in their statements.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
ya the government debunkin conspiracies about the crimes they have commited, that’s rich, real rich LMAO LMAO LMAO… But seriously, (cracks a smile) This study can be taken seriously.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Thank you National Security Agency. Pearl Harbor a conspiracy and Malamine is good for me.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Oh, right. No conspiracy.
That’s why —prior to the latest NSA lie— historians have fingered the White House, and FDR in particular, as KNOWING of the attack months in advance.
The only thing missing was the actual message traffic which —even though is listed as catalogued in the National Archives registry— cannot be found.
Imagine that. THE ONE THING which could reveal the truth of the matter has gone missing ALL THESE YEARS.
Now consider: The NSA has had ALL THESE YEARS to report on the matter, but waited until =>THIS<= anniversary to roll-out another lie.
WHY DID THEY NOT DO SO LAST YEAR?
WHY NOT TEN YEARS AGO?
OR TWENTY?
OR THIRTY?
OR WHEN THEY WERE INVENTED INTO EXISTENCE?
WHERE WAS THE CIA IN ALL OF THIS?
Do we suppose that next it will be said that it wasn’t the Japanese who attacked Pearl Harbor, but was the Russians involved in a false flag op?
No! WAIT: It was Venezuela!
Yeah, that’s it! Now we have a reason to attack that nation!
December 8th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Do you remember the news media telling us that Al CIA duh stands for “the base” ? The media further described the base as being terror cells that are not linked together and have no real idea who is doing what? I think Alex refers to this concept when he indicates that various agencies are all “compartmentalized”.
This is the really cool part. what major illuminist symbol has a base that is more and more organized the higher one goes? That’s right kiddies, they are jerking your chain by describing their very own pyramid symbol. Now that is what you call , “getting played”. That is enough for me to realize that this is all bull.
If Lindsey Williams’ theory about bankrupting the Mideast has merit, we are making enemies faster than we can count them all. Just pile those countries on top of attack provoking activities in Pakistan, India, Iran, Afghanistan, and Russia. This is really starting to look bad. There are no manufacturing jobs and no real economy in this country anymore. Guess what hungry and desperate people are willing to do? They fight for their master’s who are going to save them. Maybe I am totally wrong? I would love to hear what someone else thinks
December 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Did they write that conclusion on Sandy Berger-Burglar’s underwear and socks?
December 8th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Some guy named O’Brien has a young gentleman in his employ over at the NSA by the name of Winston Smith. He’s got him rewriting all kinds of history to fit the official narrow views of the NWO. Soon he’ll have him re-rewrite it so that we did know about the attcks and let it happen; as long as it suits the NWO at the moment. We should all attempt to appeal to young Mr. Smith’s conscience.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Any skepticism can be rerouted to the British Government, who maintains, that their Secret Agent code named tricycle warned J. Edgar Hoover. Read the Autobiography of the man involved. Spy Counter-Spy by Dusko Popov. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 73-14131. Copyright 1974. Or try The Double Cross System by Sir John Masterman published December 1972. At the very least it can be proved that J. Edgar Hoover knew in August 1941 (4 months before Dec 7, 1941). Pearl Harbor mirrored the Brittish attack on Taranto, Italy, by Admiral Cunningham on the carrier Illustrious. Japanese Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka went to Berlin to get intellegence from the Abwehr about Taranto. Germany was allied with Italy. Japan was allied with Germany. Roosevelt was demanding that Japan evacuate China and Indo-China and threatening to put on an oil embargo. The Japanese Navy had 18 months reserve of oil. Logistically, they had to strike before that dropped to 12 months reserve. The Tirpitzufer-or the Japanese- was asking about ammunition dumps and mine depots on the isle of Oahu, where Pearl Harbor was located early August 1941.
Ok, now for my editorial – opinion only, no facts cited.
Who cares if they try to cover up the cracking of the code. They can’t get rid of all the other bits of connecting truth. We knew one way or another and decided to move our carriers away in time. To get Americans involved in the war, all that was necessary was an attack. Successful or not. To get the Congress to approve a new Navy took sunk ships. Roosevelt was a Navy man. Men who serve in the armed forces are very loyal to their branch of the service. Marines love Marines, Air Force love Air Force, Army loves Army. Who is the best? Well who did you work for? The U.S. Navy was too small to be considered the most powerfull Navy in the world. Roosevelt wanted more money for the Navy. Roosevelt wanted to get involved in WW2. The U.S. people did not want to get involved. They did not want massive spending on the Armed Forces. After Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen, the country changed its opinion.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:43 am
the nsa have advanced warning of ww3 though.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:50 am
It is interesting to see, nearly at the same time, the NSA study denying the foreknowledge of Pearl Harbour and the alleged 9/11-attackers pleading guilty for the attacks. Pearl Harbour was mentioned by the PNAC as the cataclysmic event, that is needed again today to speed up their plans.
Just a coincidence ? Denying the reponsibility for both events at nearly the same time ?
@ highlander: it was Venezuela supported by Iran, don´t forget Iran.
BTW folks, our leading magazine in Germany, “DER SPIEGEL”, has a recent issue covering Barack Obama titled “Der Weltpräsident” (The world-president), desribing his plans to lead the World to a better age. Nobody in Germany seemed either to really notice or to be interested in that, Obama has a mere 80% approval rate among the germans.
Any more questions ?
December 9th, 2008 at 3:38 am
More propaganda from the MASTER PROPAGANDA ENTITY….AMERIKA
December 9th, 2008 at 3:59 am
Suure, you can trust the NSA. No doubt.
And oh, what a coincidence. It’s like the murder suspect getting interrogated by the police and he says “But I didn’t kill the man with the black shirt” even before they tell him what the interrogation is all about.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:07 am
It’s an historical fact that –
1. FDR wanted war.
2. The American people did not want war.
3. The majority of modern, high tech planes and ships were moved from Pearl Harbor in the days before the attack and that most of the ships and planes destroyed were old and/ or being decommisioned.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:52 am
we done seen the miget bankster wizard-daddy,daddy bush probably plened that one-money hungry bastards-one day all those bastards will be dead by natural death or vengence-either way,the world will be a better place-when kissinger and rockerfella go-i will celibrate
December 9th, 2008 at 6:57 am
Michael Rupert’s award winning book ‘Crossing The Rubicon’ should be required reading for everyone who posts on this site. It is an excellent, well-documented treatise on the world according to GOD– “Gold, Oil, and Drugs”. Those three things are the impetus for most foreign policy decisions of the US and their allies (and enemies, for that matter). WWII saw the conversion of naval ships from coal to oil powered- precipitating a war for those resources. When was the last time any of us heard of a war over coal? We invade Afghanistan, and suddenly (and coincidentally) herion production goes through the roof. And we all know how the abandonment of the gold standard has destroyed our purchasing power via rampant printing of worthless fiat currency. Once you understand these factors, so much of the intrique and subterfuge we argue over becomes self-evident.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:58 am
Full Article Here seems to go to the wrong place.
I saw a documentary saying military intelligence knew of the attack in advance and that is why they put the aircraft carriers out to sea and left the old battleships in the harbor (a Honey Pot).
I think FDR wanted war but he needed an excuse. Like George W. Bush he needed a war so he could hold onto power which is what really mattered, at any cost.
Thankfully we now have Term Limits. The Founding Fathers thought that democracy would be enough to prevent dictators but they did not imagine the massive vote fraud system we have in place today. Vote fraud is so common that it is documented here:
http://www.bradblog.com/
December 9th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Douglas Dietrich is the son of a retired U.S. Navy Sailor. Douglas worked for ten years as a Department of Defense Research Librarian at the Presidio Military Base of San Francisco, where one of his major duties was document destruction. He then experienced the 1991 Kuwaiti campaign, serving in Desert Storm as a United Sates Marine. Douglas has studied the connected historical process which led to the actions on December 7, 1941 … Pearl Harbor
December 9th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Addendum to prior post a few minutes ago ( abt 2 min)
Douglas Dietrich is the son of a retired U.S. Navy Sailor. Douglas worked for ten years as a Department of Defense Research Librarian at the Presidio Military Base of San Francisco, where one of his major duties was document destruction. He then experienced the 1991 Kuwaiti campaign, serving in Desert Storm as a United Sates Marine. Douglas has studied the connected historical process which led to the actions on December 7, 1941 … Pearl Harbor . The government,military and president knew ahead of time.
He discovered de classified documents that hadnt been shredded. He is finishing a book on the matter.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
It was known well before President Roosevelt, we talk about the Illuminati, yet always fail to think of history in the same terms of them. The assassination of William McKinley was the real pretext to WWI, which led this country to go under the policies of TR, and then Woodrow Wilson both Anglophiles, as opposed to the Lincolnesque protectionist system of the Whigs which McKinley was a staunch advocate of.
Thats WWI… Versailles was the intentional gutting of Germany, so a world war even after the 1st one was in the making, and there was no real peace from I to II… I’m sure an attack on America was in the making to get us in the war, and wasn’t just the calculated doing of Roosevelt, but when you are in that spot you need to think about shaping history in the long run like ending the British empire as Roosevelt explicitly told Winston Churchill during the war. Especially when one man such as the president himself isn’t the one making history in a world ruled by supranational corporate chaos, only so much blame can be placed on individuals. Pearl Harbor was in the books for some time, as Roosevelt was an isolationist in many ways, but he should have also known that lend lease, while sanctioning Japan would have provoked a confrontation, but Japan was also stupid in doing such, against the biggest military force ever assembled.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Eustace Mullins is still ALIVE! HE”S ALIVE! Eustace Mullins for President. I’m not kidding. Vacations in Mexico and British Columbia can be nice but the world government is not your friend.
Let’s sacrifice the Rothschild-Rockefellers to Moloch and Baal and we’ll eat them instead of them eating us for generations.
I’ve got my London Pub Sauce and I’ve got to eat. I will not be sedated.
And Sandy Burger-Burglar from the National Archives Clinton-Gore Chinese Buddhist sell outs hijinx can still be filleted. He’s a chubby little piece of pork too.
Turn the tables on them and make cochinillo asado out of their children instead of ours.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
It seems like they would have been able to figure out something was wrong based on the Japanese mini-subs that were found around Pearl Harbor before the attack. I don’t think anyone would think they could have come all the way from Japan on their own.