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Obama’s Science Czar: Traditional family is obsolete, punish large families
David Freddoso
Washington Examiner
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
President Obama’s Science Czar, John Holdren, took a controversial and amoral approach to the science of population by recommending mass compulsory sterilization and even forced abortion (and/or forced marriages) under certain circumstances. His 1977 tome, Ecoscience, which he co-authored with Paul and Anne Ehrlich, also displays a revealing disregard for the institution of the traditional human family.
Holdren and the Ehrlichs write:
Radical changes in family structure and relationships are inevitable, whether population control is instituted or not. Inaction, attended by a steady deterioration in living conditions for the poor majority, will bring changes everywhere that no one could consider beneficial. Thus, it is beside the point to object to population-control measures simply on the grounds that they might change the social structure or family relationships.
Holdren, with a blithe “of course,” encourages government to wage an effective war on the family in America. It begins with the abolition of “pronatalist” policies and continues with their complete reversal:
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As United States taxpayers know, income tax laws have long implicitly encouraged marriage and childbearing…Such a pronatalist bias of course is no longer appropriate. In countries that are affluent enough for the majority of citizens to pay taxes, tax laws could be adjusted to favor (instead of penalize) single people, working wives, and small families. Other tax measures might also include high marriage fees, taxes on luxury baby goods and toys, and removal of family allowances where they exist. Other possibilities include the limitation of maternal or educational benefits to two children per family.
Holdren notes that some of these proposals “have the potential disadvantage of heavily penalizing children (and in the long run society as well).” This is not a disqualifier, though, as long as the proposals are “carefully adjusted to avoid denying at least minimum care for poor families, regardless of the number of children they may have.” Even here, the objection is practical, not ethical. It’s fine to level stiff penalties against those who choose families and children, but not to the point that this policy exacerbates the original problem (unwanted children, living in squalor) that population control purports to combat.
Some Americans might cite the Founding Fathers and argue that a government whose policy is to make war on the family in the name of science has clearly overstepped its mandate. That was not the opinion expressed by John Holdren, the man President Obama has put in charge in the nation’s science policy.
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July 15th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
he looks like the unabomber
Beavis Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
He looks like a ’shirt lifter’ to me dude.
Social Viability Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
“Inaction, attended by a steady deterioration in living conditions for the poor majority…”
The steady deterioration in living conditions is due to the outright pillaging of the economy by the financial sector. These scumbags create the poor majority.
And your solution to poor people is to reduce the number of people?
Fix the cause of the problem! If you just try to eliminate the effect, the cause will simply afflict new victims.
My 5 year old can comprehend this…
Don’t fight the system:
Replace it
http://socialviability.com/
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
ITS SAD BUT IT`S GOING TO HAPPEN I`AM SURE !
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....itted=true
Thay are doing it all over , all that in the paper`s in the Uk is about over population .
Yesterday there was an article in the mail
“BRITONS SAY CUT THE POPULATION”
IT`S ALMOST THE SAME AS THIS GUY`S SAYING IN THE UK
THE ARTICLE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....itons.html
HO WELL PEOPLE !!
NICE KNOWING YA !!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Jesus, that man is ugly on every level.
His poor mother. I bet she regrets not getting that abortion.
This is a sick site Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
That’s a horrible thing to say. Wow. Wow. That’s so fvcked up.
Stop playing judge and go do something beneficial for mankind. Fine. Don’t agree with his policies, but attacking someone on that level is just being a pvssy.
I know this might make me a hypocrite, but you must be some b!tch to say something like that.
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
yeh i wish she did , well hopefully the b***h that brought him in to the world has died and suffered accordingly.
I HOPE THEY WAS CLOSE LOL!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I can never figure out why these people don’t self-abort
July 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
obamunist, just imagine if all of the eugenicists commited suicide, they could really show us how comitted they are to saving the planet from over=population. Who am I to stop them from such leadership by example? lol
douchebaggins Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 12:41 am
lol RIGHT ON TARGET
Aunty Semite Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 3:28 am
population control is *not* eugenicist. Nowhere does Holdren raise the issues about “improving human stock”……..so it is *not* eugenicist.
And anyway – most prisonplanet numpties probably support eugenics……..all part of their far-right, neo-nazi leanings.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
He’s looks like another Washington pedophile. Probably is.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Free choice for everyone. Strong marriages are based on real love and respect, not forced to marry by some government bureaucrat who knows nothing about the people, and no one should be forced to have an abortion if they don’t want one. I have two children and decided myself that number was enough and still give them most of what they want. I know if I had more children than that, it would be much harder to provide for them. Freedom to choose for oneself is what America was founded on and should still be, but sadly, the government is trying to take far more control over the lives of the People, just how long are the People going to put up with this intrusion? That is the real question of the day, how much more are the citizens willing to tolerate. The Revolution was started based on far less intrusion of the king’s minions, that what has been customary today. I am sure the Foundser’s would be appalled at how gutless their posterity has become. Shame on us, if we the People allow this usurpation of our God given dignity and freedom by our own servants, the government.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
For those who like to pick on other’s grammar and spelling, sorry. When I get infuriated like this, my brain works faster than the fingers. Content, not mechanics should be important.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
THis guy is the real al Qaeda – he is waging war on America
July 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
ONE CHILD per family policy is necessary.
Global Population is completely OUT OF CONTROL.
You need to stop proliferating like flies you idiot american SCUM!
I support Obama’s new pick of John Holdren for top science and technology advisor.
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brad Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Looked at the sites. You are insane! You are not in any way a good person. Your ideas are pure crap. That’s awesome that your lame site will be going bye bye.
Russian K Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
dude go back and get your GED period.
wildcat Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
There is more than enough land to feed the existing population. If Africa stopped having tribal wars which lead to landmines being planted everywhere, farmers would have the chance to maintain the land.
We are actually taking land of agricultural production in the UK due to the costs of bureaucracy. Any complaints of overcrowding in the UK are purely due to the lack of availabilty of good schools, dentists, GP doctors combined with the overcrowding on public transportation. Property developers are only interested in the executive housing market, and will stop construction whenever supply exceeds demand.
used to be proud brit Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Yes and they have also been taking land from Africa in the name “national parks”
for relieving
yeh you gest it ” DEPT TO THE BANKS
But of coarse it for the preservation of animals , so we all agreed .!
Thay have been also killing them off for years, Im surprised there is any left.
Its all the pieces of the puzzle merging.
ONLYME Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Satan will twist God’s words and use it for his own purpose, which is only evil, and goes against God’s Words, it looks like your father must be the father of lies, as The Holy God and Only True GOD, WOULD NOT TELL US TO KILL THE LITTLE ONES OF THE WORLD JUST BECAUSE THE WORLD IS GETTING TO MANY PEOPLE, NO HE WOULD NOT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME!
ONLYME Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
AND ALSO, JESUS SAYS… MANY WILL COME IN MY NAME, BUT THEY ARE NOT MY SHEEP.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Everyone picked by Obama has a NWO purpose it seems and this guy is a very transparent one. That is an Obama promise just not the kind of transparency any of us expected. The text book says it all, very scary stuff indeed. Makes Geitner look like a pussy cat, at least he just wants our money. Sotomoyer wants our guns…and this dude wants our blood.
Du bist einfach Hässlech Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Next were going to get a guy that wants our souls!!
Aunty Semite Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 3:30 am
but that’s because you’re so paranoid and screwed-up that *EVERYTHING* has a “NWO purpose”.
Hilarious.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I wonder what his mother did with the money I gave her for an abortion, I can see here it didn’t happen. Bummer, now we have to deal with this douchewaffle.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
WHAT SICK AN DEMENTED PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO CONTROLL, RUN ARE COUNTRY!WHEN I WAS YOUNG I HAD THE LIGHT OF HOPE IN MY HEART, FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY,WE WOULD HAVE TRUE FREEDOM, LIVE IN PEACE,AND AFFORD A COMFORABLE LIVING, AND MOST OF ALL THE CHILDREN HAVE A BETTER LIFE TO LIVE!JUST PLAIN BE HAPPIER!WHERE DID THESE SICK PEOPLE COME FROM! FROM HELL, THERE IS NO BETTER WAY TO PUT THIS!I TELLING I TRULY CARE AN LOVE (WE THE PEOPLE) WE GONE THROUGH HELL!DAM IT I HATE IT.I’AM SCARED FOR OUR CHILDREN,(BOTTOM LINE) I’AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH THE LIGHT OF HOPE IN MY HEART IS SLOWLY DYING OUT! FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY!!! DAM THOSE SICK DEMENTED B##TER’S,I WISH THEY GO BACK WHERE THEY BELONG , BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
This is the same insane ideas of psychiatrist and big brother. Their goals are to eliminate most of the population via eugenics and similar programs. Stalin, Hitler, and now China, etc, use this idea to cut down on the masses. Check out Psychiatry: Industry of death. That video goes into the whole origins of Eugenics and the Psychiatrist behind Hitler
July 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
He’s so “misunderstood” (NOT)……..it’s all there in book form, and many many higher-ups know his , and others , work. We have 99% of our officials that are criminally insane, SO, we gots alot of WAKING UP TO DO !!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I might consider a policy of eugenics if those who support it now will first personally set the example.
Aunty Semite Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Rubbish. Get it right? Here’s a definition of EUGENICS, ok?
Eugenics is “the study of, or belief in, the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).”
Sui Juris Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:36 am
You just described killing people for what is in their genes. I guess that’s ok with you as long as YOUR genes are acceptable, right?
You ignorant fuck.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
My only question is what will happen to those Marriage Introduction Services? How many will lose their jobs?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Just another depopulation bomb ready to drop on us. The real cause is the Illuminati agenda to destroy this country and every other western one. The white European Christian population is being wiped out, through low birthrates and Feminism and homosexualty being promoted as the alternate lifestyle. Go to http://www.americansw.blogspot.com for views on the traditional American family. Also http://www.nylonmanden.dk for the works of Philip Jones which will explain excatly what’s going on here.
American Dummy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Right-on meanjean.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Matthew 4:24
Luke 17:1-2
Matthew 25:40
http://laoslight.forjc.org
July 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Matthew 4:24
Luke 17:2
Matthew 25:40
http://laoslight.forjc.org
July 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Traditional Family is alive and well! Screw their definition!! Stop using their system and defend your freedom!!!
http://www.warnthepeople.org/be-prepared.html
July 15th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
The article in the british press espousing this vile cleansing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....itons.html
is based upon a study conducted by the optimum population trust
It is interesting to note that Paul Ehrlich is one of the patrons of this Charity organisation
All the way from litl’ole USA
Society is intellectually and morally corrupt
these scientists and bankers are worshipped
and admired while they carry out their bloody work
July 15th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Maybe there are drugs in his drinking water.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Isnt it time to have a Million man march on Washington (Bring your Guns) and take back our country from the enemies within?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
keep a check on the “futures” market. This flu thing will be a big money maker and hopefully not
a big bodybag maker. But we all know they love their wars and their profits.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
get paid to talk on the phone 602 717 6101 http://www.imbuzzirk.info/test/
July 15th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
You can fit everyone in the word standing up without touching one another in one half the area of Jacksonville, Florida – that’s 6.5 billion people. The world produces enough food to feed 6 time it’s present population and has the land available to produce enough food to feed 200 times the worlds present population. All, bldg’s, roads, cities and farms take up only 1% of the worlds liveable land surface. The problem is politics and distribution.
In 1936, Tesla demonstrated a new car engine in N.Y. He installed a 75hp “electric” motor in a car, ran two wires from the engine to the front seat, went to the corner hardware store and purchased some vacumn tubes. In a box, not bigger than a shoe box, he assembled some wires and the vacumn tubes. He attached the two wires from the motor to two small metal rods protruding out of the box, pushed the tubes down and said now we have power. He ran the car for a week at up to 90mph. No gas or fuel of any kind and this was done in pulblic and with media and hundred’s of witnesses. He said you can run your car and home and business with this invention for near ever as it gets its power from the earth’s gravitational field and the sun, runs day and night. The media attacked his invention as demonic. (At Rockefellers orders, who owned Standard Oil) Tesla, mad, took his invention and retired to his privacy. How many other suppressed inventions are there.???? We have elected another terrible government. What a choice in a virtually two party system. How, on election day do you pick between Hitler and Stalin – we should vote for a third party at the least, it can not be any worse, but maybe better.
This idiot who advocates Communistic and Nihilistic social reforms ought to be regulated to packing shit for mailing to his fellow idiots.
Get ready for very hard times ahead from these people now in power.
Aunty Semite Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 3:33 am
How is he a “communist”? He takes it as a given that there will social inequality…….he’s no communist.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
These guys are doing whatever they want right before our eyes. People are waking up!! It’s show time folks! How will you defend freedom?!
http://www.warnthepeople.org
July 15th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Who the f is this guy? wHERE THE F DID IT COME FROM? he must be insena…like the DISTRICT OF CRIMINALITY..
July 15th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
http://www.jewwatch.com
July 15th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
They are all Jews working in a myriad of ways to destroy the white race.
Aunty Semite Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Ah – more jew-hate. What a shock to find it at prisonpunnet.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder story at: http://www.h1flu.com
July 15th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Here a novel idea; Stop the anchor baby problem. THey are born just to get more welfare money from each of their citizen kids. (about $500 a pop., pardon the pun.) California and some other states are petitioning to get this on the ballot. No more benefits for anchor babies. This will greatly reduce the population problem in regards to illegal aliens. Also help with the economic disaster in states such as California.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
When did mainstream TV ask American citizens to look up the word ‘czar’ in the dictionary? I haven’t been watching in a while. As far as I can tell, a czar is like an emperor of something. Nobody ever told me that Americans have to obey any czar, and I’ve checked with the people who matter: the authors of the Constitution of our country. I believe they authorized a president and perhaps even a cabinet, but included the checks and balances of a congress and a senate, perhaps even a few houses of something or other. But what the hell is a czar doing in America, let alone six or seven? A czar for anything that comes up? Who gets to make them up? Maybe there could be a czar czar to rule over the czars, or maybe that’s the president’s job? But if it is, I never heard about it from anyone who matters. Just because the president wants to expand his power and rule over lots of things that he doesn’t have power over doesn’t mean that the checks and balances have to stop working.
Well they have stopped working. Congresspeople and senators aren’t checking and balancing. Politicians are going into service already corrupt. We the people are not checking and balancing the politicians we assign ourselves. We are taking a ballot sheet made up by someone else and saying “oh, I’ll pick the right one, or the left one, or the middle one”. We’re leaving politics up to other people thinking that it takes too much money to campaign. Well, the ones with the money are the ones getting the jobs, then. And who has money? Honest, sharing people? Ha. Looks like it’s time to change politics by starting a grassroots movement to clean up Washington by describing all the things wrong with the checks and balances, instructing people as to how they are the checks and balances to the government, and get everyone on board with the idea that clean politicians are the ones you don’t get to see on TV. Let the people know where to find candidate information aside from through the mainstream channels (like the Republican or Democratic party websites). Get all manner of educated angry people who feel they can head up a certain office and start campaigning. Enough votes to make a difference will start coming in the bigger the movement gets.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:16 am
http://911essentials.com says Eugenics is the religion of this demented, licentious group of killers.
They only exist in the putrid world that is financed by the criminal bankers, protected by the treasonous politicians and encouraged by those that have financial and political gain.
Let’s put a stop to all of this treason and enact the proper, legal remedies.
Solution: Ban hedge funds and make derivatives illegal. Arrest the criminal bankers and politicians.
911essentials is a primer portal introduction to the New World Order Corporate Banking Police State, its plans for one world government and their worship of the fake science Eugenics.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:38 am
well, clearly 911essentials.com knows *nothing* about eugenics.
Eugenics is about the INNATE QUALITY of humans, not their number.
And anyway – many people here support eugenics………it’s part of their far-right/neo-nazi ideology.
Sui Juris Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:07 am
I am convinced by all of your comments that you may be the most ignorant human on this planet.
You only see now, when how we got to now is via the past. The past does not lie.
Stab out your eyes and cut off your ears, for you need them not. You let others see and hear for you, therefore THEY THINK FOR YOU TOO.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:46 am
MMS will counteract whatever they pump into our veins or our food or our water. Anybody that does not have MMS in their system will most likely die when the government puts their plans into motion. It’s that simple… Save yourself and your whole family for 20 bucks or wither away and die like the want you to. People! This is very serious!! Heed this warning! Protect yourselves, oh and by the way, never get sick again…
July 16th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Funny that people here complain about Holdren and his worrying about “overpopulation”……..and the attendant problems of poverty and hunger that he was writing about…….and how to address it, of course.
It’s funny because prisonplanet has adverts about “FOOD SUPPLY” crisis – and how to deal with it. prisonplanet takes money from such people advertising the same problems Holdren was discussing – but Holdren is condemned for discussing it, whilst prisonplanet accepts money from others doing so. Here’s an example that is advertised *today* on porisonplanet:
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“……it seems America could be next. The dollar is quickly losing value and the U.S. is more dependent on foreign food production than ever. Already grocery bills are rising faster than incomes. Wheat, corn, soybeans, bread, apples, beef, chicken, eggs, and milk: prices for these items are shooting up by double-digit percentages. Coupled with energy prices pushing skyward, more and more Americans are feeling the pinch which now includes food shortages. Many experts think we could be approaching the greatest disaster in the country’s history. Many Americans are starting to prepare.
http://www.foodshortageusa.com/
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That is advertised on prisonplanet’s first page.
Yet when Holdren is considered, speaking like that makes him a monster………apparently. But it’s good enough for prisonplanet to make money out of?
July 16th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Here’s some more from prisonplanet advertisers:
“the true food shortages which have sparked riots in other countries have thus far escaped the USA. It is foolish to think we are immune forever.”
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FOOLISH to think you’re immune? But to consider strategic policies about what to do about it makes one a genocidal monster, like Holdren, apparently?
Hilarious.
Sui Juris Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Wow you are DUMB.
If there are food shortages it will have NOTHING to do with population you nitwit.
It will because we have killed all the private farms in favor of corporate modified genetic food, that because of politics and banking, will be made into a shortage.
I really don’t mind schooling you all day here…
Stop saying racist crap. You prove you have issues with it, by even bringing it up. Not to mention your name.
I don’t see color on people, I ONLY SEE IGNORANCE.
July 16th, 2009 at 4:46 am
“…attended by a steady deterioration in living conditions for the poor majority,…”
Gee I wonder who could be responsible for that? Oh I don’t know, maybe,
OUTSOURCING, FREE TRADE, and GLOBALISM?
So let’s just KILL the family unit? That is the FINAL SOLUTION?
July 16th, 2009 at 6:18 am
check this out, every American should be required to watch the movie IDIOCRACY by Mike Judge, it’ll explain that only the dumbest unevolved human can have a bevy of offspring in these perplexing economic times!
Sui Juris Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Fantastic movie and exactly on track for where we are and where we are headed….
July 16th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Some forget we had eugenics laws back during the “progressive era” of the early 20th century. Those with genetic defects were sterilized, those were the laws of the day.
Eugenics aside, I just hope things get so bad here in California that 10~15 million just leave.
Swine flu could finish off the rest of the young. Then I will have back the peace and quiet that was once California.
To those considering moving here: Don’t. There is nothing for you here, boat’s full. Go to AZ or TX.
July 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
OK, so we control the population…who’s left to work and pay taxes to support everybody? EU countries are already experiencing this because of unfettered abortion and less people having less and less children to be future taxpayers. This whole idea of population control, eugenics and euthanasia is what BO and Co. are all about. If we sit back and let this happen to our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, future generations are going to ask, “Why wouldn’t they do something to prevent this?” This administration is turning out to be a redux of Hitler’s Nazi Germany, in the way they’re incrementally using the bad economy (which, by the way, they are making worse with their Marxist policies) and “the common good” excuses to take over every single aspect of American life. Didn’t Jefferson (or one of the founding fathers) say that those who refuse to learn from history are deemed to repeat it? Complacency has gotten us to where we are, and we’re letting our democratic republic fall apart before our very eyes by the ignorant bad choices we are making at the ballot box. So it looks like we’re getting just what we deserve because of that ignorance to what the founders had intended this country to be.
July 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Does that policy include the illegal alien families that number anywhere from 4-14? Most informed people know the answer.
July 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Gail, as I said, none of these population controling elites, will ever put the brake on illegal aliens and their overpopuation issues. Wake up, and see it for what it really is. Do you think the founding fathers supported illegal immigration, especially from Mexico!!! Read about it in detail, they feared it. They knew it would destroy this nation, that is why they never invaded Mexico in order to take it. They knew the disaster it would bring to hook up with a place that had been totally corrupt hundreds of years before the U.S. was founded.
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