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    Sunday, Aug 3, 2008

    Keith talks to David Willman of the LA Times about the recent news on the anthrax investigation.

     



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    27 Responses to “Olbermann Countdown: Anthrax Attacks Inside Job?”

    1. DEEP RED Says:

      Boy it’s alway’s an inside job isn’t it?

    2. Jason Says:

      It doesn’t have to be. All it really has to be is a prime example of why Goverment shouldn’t EVER be trust. This is a man whose “CRAZY” episodes have be tracked all the way back to his college days, YET he was still allowed around Anthrax.

      It seems the entire mindset of America has changed to looking to the Government for protection. Even “Republicans” (and of course this shows the false left-right paridim) now say “the Patriot Act is good, the government is here to protect us.”

      As opposed to the rhetoric of Regean’s “The scarist words in the English language is “I’m from the government and here to help.”

      GOvernment needs to watched, and placed back in the role of SERVANT not master…and if you don’t think that role is changing, your eyes are closed.

    3. Chris R. Says:

      oh look, just like ALex Jones, Keith Olbermann ignores the REAL perp of the Anthrax attacks, Philip Zach(google him people). typical……

    4. richard Says:

      Oh… sure…. we are going to believe the Justice Department and the FBI…..

      What planet are these folks from?

    5. Elmer Says:

      So it is safe to say that the Anthrax was an INSIDE JOB!

    6. WakeUp Says:

      Hey Deep, consider the chronology of events: The first suspect fought back vigorously and won his exonoration. The government now needs a new bad guy. They named this latest scientist, who then commits suicide, disallowing his exonoration and allowing all the propaganda against his character to run in the media, as we are seeing, with no chance of him defending himself. With that, there is no need to look for any more “bad guys,” in regards to this case at least, and anyone suspecting anything out of the ordinary is simply a conspiracy theorist. That doesn’t sound any type of alarm to you? As for me anymore, if something is fishy involving the war on terror and the government potentially stands to further an agenda from a given event, I will ALWAYS err on the side of full disclosure and an unimpeded INDEPENDENT investigation. I’ve read many of your posts and believe that you would too, my brother.

    7. Neo Bagration Says:

      Yes, it usually is an inside job.

      Now, the bloodthirsty fools who claim they have the right to lead us can release “Captain Trips” and blame it on some rogue scientist.

      Mission accomplished.

      If you don’t think this entire story is questionable, then there is something seriously wrong with your brain function. In fact, I would say that pattern recognition is a direct correlation to IQ. Got high IQ?

    8. Gus Says:

      Another blatant and transparent “cover-up.” These idiots are so cut off from reality I think they actually sit in their offices congratulating themselves and thinking “Hahaha. We fooled them again. They are so easily deceived. Hahaha.” The truth is that none of these obvious cover-ups are effective at all. Just about everyone sees right through these efforts immediately. We need to give all these bastards a real hard kick in the teeth so they can no longer go around imagining their total stupidity is actually cleverness.

    9. audrey Says:

      First they released Anthrax as a warning to any one who would want to become a whistle blower, than they are looking for scape goat and dispose of them well before trial, man they are EVIL.But once again, caught the hand in the cookie jar!

    10. Gus Says:

      Did you notice that right after 9-11 and up to the early stages in the Iraq war there was an increasing popularity of all kinds of right wing idiots in the media (e.g. Bill O’reilly). It was only after the country’s disillusionment with the Iraq war that we started seeing the likes of Keith Olbermann. This is just marketing. They’re just being condescending to the consumers. “If the consumers want criticism of government, let’s let them believe they are getting it (even though they’re really not).”

      Not only is talk cheap, it is innocuos. As long as talk is all that Kieth Olbermann or anybody else does, the evil empire is more than happy to humor them. Besides, it’s good business.

    11. DEEP RED Says:

      Hey guy’s I was serious—IT’S ALWAY’S AN INSIDE JOB ISN’T IT?

      ANSWER: I believe that’s just what it is.

      IT ALWAY’S IS!!!

      Sorry sometimes my sarcazm doesn’t come across well in print :)

    12. hANOVER fIST Says:

      First…let’s address the issue of Alex and Keith not naming the actual perpetrator of the anthrax flase-flag attack – Lt. Col. Philip Zack:

      Alex and Keith would be subjected to a SHITSTORM the likes of which you have never witnessed.

      You know how Alex states how he doesn’t want us, the truth-tellers of the events of September 11th, 2001 (and beyond), wasting time and postings defending him? He also doesn’t want us parroting him word-for-word; what I suggest is becoming your own authority on one aspect.

      Don’t know anything about aeronautics? Don’t talk about the plane impacts.

      Never delved into seismology? Don’t mention the building collapses.

      Talk about what you know.

      Don’t try to prove every instance…once you have mentioned a subject that you can speak authoritavely on, most 9/11 Deniers will just attempt to speak of another aspect, one that you may not have information on.

      Tell them that you have not studied that aspect. If they are honest and just want information, the will simply accede to your honestly, and you can get on to something else.

      However…if they start pouting the company line, inquire of them as to is the information they are imparting theirs, or something that they’re simply parroting so that they can “win” the argument. If they admit to as much, ask them to simply do some research. If they do not…stop wasting your time. They’d rather participate in the genocide of others, rather than admitting that they are dupes.

      Alex and Keith are being faulted for not yelling his name from the rafters…but placed in their positions, I wouldn’t either. It’s not important if they say it – IT’S IMPORTANT IF YOU SAY IT.

      When people are walikng up and down the streets of America, angry that Lt. Col. Philip Zack is being protected against the will of WE THE PEOPLE, that’s when Alex and Keith can talk about it. When his name is on the lips of every thyinking American, the tide of injustice will no longer flow freely.

      Remember…we live in a planet without supermen…YOU have to be the one willing to do what’s necessary.

      I would implore you to write to MSNBC, and give kudos not only to Keith and the staff at COUNTDOWN, but to congratulate them on their anthrax coverage, stating that you didn’t believe that the recently-expired scientist had anyting to do with the false-flag event, and that you hope that the y continue to search for the real perpetrator.

      Maybe then, you could mention that there’s a person of interest who has not been mentioned. See if they know to whom you’re referring.

      But let me reiterate: Lt. Col. Philip Zack is provably the ONLY individual with the three items most associated with culpability:
      Motive, Means and Opportunity.

      Motive: He is a piece of Zionist garbage who attack a fellow Middle Eastern colleague with hateful speech, actions and displays.

      Means: Unlike the recently deceased Bruce Ivins, he worked with the specific anthrax used in the attack.

      Opportunity: He was fired in 1991 for the aforementioned attacks against colleagues, but in January of 1992, he was allowed access into the Fort Detrick bio-weapons lab by Dr. Marian Rippy.

      The obfucation provided by Dr, Barbara Rosenberg only served to keep the investigation directed away from Zack and onto Dr. Hatfill – but Hatfill wasn’t about to be anyone’s bitch, and fought against the false charges vigorously. As you can see, he knew, as a patriot, the fate that befalls the compliant.

      I don’t purport to know Dr. Ivins’ mental processes, but he may have been of the mind to think,”Well, I didn’t do anything wrong…so I’ll just let them run roughshod over my life, and when they figure out that I’m innocent, well…all’s well that ends well.”

      Well…how did that end?

      The mental midgets who tell you to accept erosion of our rights and that “if you have nothing to hide, what’s the harm?”; tell them about Dr. Bruce E. Ivins.

      He didn’t have anything to hide; yet, he’s dead.

      To finish off this rant, I’ve figured out that the Reagan quote was incomplete…here’s the complete version: “The scarist words in the English language is “I’m from the government and here to help myself to the fruits of your labors – just bend over, and it’ll sting less…”

    13. Lee Says:

      I have a lot of respect for both Alex and Keith. However I don’t know either one of them personally. I started watching Alex about a year ago. I would say that I have always been awake only I did not have all the information to back it up, only my philosophy and a gut feeling. I don’t always agree with Alex when he has guest like Ted Nugent who reminds me of a mole. I could be wrong, but that’s what my gut says. Anyhow I have spent my life in my own way fighting injustice and bullies. I don’t make the news or have a following. I suppose this is why I hooked up with this movement, because it has gotten dead serious and we need to come together like a bunch of army ants and beat the elite back before it is too late…

    14. E-Rock Says:

      hANOVER fIST – So do you think Alex isn’t mentioning Lt. Col. Zack -BECAUSE- he’s a Zionist??

    15. muymalgal Says:

      this whole thing smells like the Deborah Jeane Palfrey case, “oops, no more suspect, no more case”… I ‘ll be shocked if anything more is investigated in this matter.

    16. Gregory Fegel Says:

      hANOVER fIST:
      you have recommended a formula for debate which may work well for a lot of people, but not for all people.

      Personally, I am a prodigious researcher with considerable scientific training, and I am not afraid to learn about new subjects when necessary.

      The world is full of ‘trained experts’ who are in denial regarding logical yet controversial interpretations of the data, and ‘nonexperts’ with ‘common sense’ about subjects that the ‘experts’ choose to ignore.

      In both the short run AND the long run, there will be people who refuse to accept the Truth no matter what their education is, or what evidence you provide them. I try not to waste my time on those people. Rumsfeld called them ‘dead enders’, which is actually a very good descriptor. Rummy and the other neocons are all ‘dead enders’ as far as I’m concerned. Piss on them; to Hell with them. I wouldn’t waste my breath on them, and I only wish death on them.

    17. Veteran Says:

      Alex DID mention Zack,….by name.

    18. Publius Says:

      GregoryFegel wrote: “Personally, I am a prodigious researcher with considerable scientific training, and I am not afraid to learn about new subjects when necessary.”

      Since you clutter up this discussion/response group with calls for violence and mass murder, I’m wondering whether you could deign to please share some detail on why you claim to be a “prodigious” researcher with “considerable” scientific training?

      Do you think this self-aggrandizement is somehow related to your calls for mass murder?

      The 9/11 Truth Movement is not about violence, and of the many Truth activities I’ve participated in here in Austin, Texas, no one has advocated violence.

      Responsible citizens are motivated by love, while the nihilistic rantings of a demented 16-year old with a keyboard are in a different [certifiable] category.

    19. Starman Says:

      Philip M. Zack, Lt. Col. (retired), Ph.D., DVM is an American microbiologist. ‘Phil’ Zack worked at USAMRIID in Fort Detrick through December 1991, then at the US Army’s Walter Reed Institute, then for Eli Lilly, and then to a company in Colorado acquired by St. Louis’ Nexstar Financial Management.

      The Hartford Courant newspaper ran a series of articles in December 2001 and January 2002 which discussed Dr. Zack as a “person of interest” in the 2001 anthrax attacks in the US, his relationship with Dr. Marian K. Rippy, and their harassment of Dr. Ayaad Assaad at USAMRIID in 1991. [1] After Zack had been fired from Fort Detrick, a surveillance camera recorded him being let in at 8:40 p.m. on Jan. 23, 1992, apparently by Dr. Marian Rippy.[2] Salon magazine ran a story by Laura Rozen on January 26, 2002, which reported that Zack was among those: “eager to continue working on projects USAMRIID said they should stop. What followed, the documents reveal, were scientists sneaking into the Army biowarfare lab to work on pet projects after-hours and on weekends, former workers like Zack, who left in 1991, still being let in to do lab work, pressure applied to technicians to help out, documents going missing, and deliberate mislabeling of specimens among other efforts to hide unsanctioned lab work.”[3]

      According to the Zanesville Ohio Times Recorder, Dr. Zack was a member of the St. Nicholas Catholic Church when he lived in Ohio.[4] (Some websites mistakenly claim he is Jewish, citing his name as evidence.)

    20. ShenK Says:

      Check out

      http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1547.cfm

      and

      http://www.threeworldwars.com/intro.htm

      for more info regarding NWO WW1 WW2 and WW3.

      1959 — The Mid-Century Challenge to U.S. Foreign Policy is published, sponsored by the Rockefeller Brothers’ Fund. It explains that the U.S.:

      “…cannot escape, and indeed should welcome…the task which history has imposed on us. This is the task of helping to shape a new world order in all its dimensions — spiritual, economic, political, social.”

      The Illuminati are a group of secret controllers that until 1989 were the most successful of them all. The Illuminati that I am referring to is the group that evolved directly from the “Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria”. The Illuminati in this form were founded by a man named Adam Weishaupt in 1775. This known chapter started in Ingolstadt, Bavaria.

      The original Illuminati beliefs evolved from very diverse sources. A knightly order merged with sufi ideas and concepts, during the Crusades, to create the “Knights Templar”. The Knights Templar were later disbanded and largely exterminated by the French monarchy under Philippe le Bel or Philip the Fair. The break-up of the Templar’s resulted in the creation of many of the masonic and other european secret societies. Some of the surviving Templar’s learned the rituals and methods of an egyptian hermetic order known as the “Illuminates of Ra”. These Templar’s took the name the “Illuminati”. The Illuminati continued to evolve. They merged with a group of tantric yoga practitioners gleaning mind/body meditation and exercises. The Illuminati absorbed the methods and concepts of the “Assassins”, a moslem cult, as well as various christian gnosist religions. This is the point at which Adam Weishaupt organized the Illuminati into the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria.

      President John F. Kennedy — JFK was assassinated by the Illuminati for several obvious reasons and one not-so-obvious. Let us begin with the obvious reason: President Kennedy was planning to reverse the plan of the Illuminati to carry out the war in Vietnam. I was a sophomore in high school at the time, and had been very active in politics for about three years; in the Spring of 1963, I heard JFK say that he was going to pull America out of Vietnam, and in the Fall, I heard Kennedy say that he would “have a thousand boys home by Christmas”. He was killed weeks later, on November 22 [the 11th month, 22nd day], at Dallas, Texas, which lies nearly exactly on the 33 rd parallel of the 33rd degree of latitude. [Ibid.]

      Further, JFK was killed in Masonic Dealey Plaza, the site of an original Masonic Lodge in the early days of Texas. As David Icke notes, “Dealey Plaza is a mass of esoteric symbolism and is officially named after a 33rd Degree Freemason called George Bannerman Dealey … Dealey Plaza is shaped like a pyramid with the capstone missing. The top is truncated by a railway bridge.” [Icke, Ibid., p. 407] Icke further says that Dealey Plaza was a outdoor Sun Temple [Ibid., p. 408], and his killing corresponded to the “ancient fertility oblation of the ‘Killing of the King’.” [Ibid.]

      The not-so-obvious reason JFK was murdered would be known only to a dedicated Satanist and Freemason. As Icke points out: “Kennedy was killed on November 22, 1963. This date was the anniversary of the order, or papal bull, by Pope Clement V for the Knights Templar to be subjected to torture by the Dominican Inquisition. It [the Papal Bull] was issued on November 22, 1307.” Thus, Icke believes that Freemasonry/Knights Templar finally exacted its long-awaited revenge by killing the only Roman Catholic President this country has ever had, on the anniversary date of the attack on Knights Templar, and in a specific satanic ritual called, “The Killing of the King”.

      To tell the world that the assassination of JFK was Illuminist, our government put an eternal flame at his grave site, as the above picture illustrates. JFK’s eternal flame was also in the middle of a circle, which carries a double Illuminist symbol — a circle encircling a flame. As Dr. Burn notes, the circle is derived from the Sun, and it symbolizes the pagan god [Burns, quoting Masonic author, J.S.M. Ward, Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods , London: Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton, Kent and Company, Ltd., 1921, p. 30]

      Witches also use the circle drawn on the ground during ritual to “enforce demons to appear”. [Burns, Ibid., p. 27]. Thus, a circle is a powerful Illuminist symbol, and is doubly powerful when a flame is in its middle.

      These are the reasons President John F. Kennedy got an eternal flame at his gravesite.

      Martin Luther King — Doctor Martin Luther King was assassinated because he was leading the blacks of America in a path totally opposed by the Illuminati. King envisioned the blacks exercising Individual Responsibility, achieving educational status equal to whites, and working side-by-side with whites, so that a totally “color blind society” would emerge. This was King’s dream, and it cost him his life. The Illuminati wanted a people totally dependent upon Big Government programs — not independent thinkers, independent workers, and a people who took pride in their accomplishments.

      CFR member, Jesse Jackson, patiently waited in the wings. After the Mass Media showed pictures of Jesse Jackson covered with the blood of Dr. King immediately after the assassination, Jackson vaulted into the top place of leadership of American blacks. Under Jackson’s leadership, the blacks of America have been led into a dependency status, where the only thing they can fight over is continued access to government programs. Yet, even with this terrible leadership, statistics tell us that, today, the largest single group of blacks in America are Middle Class.

      Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin – In Seminar 4, “Raging Spiritual Warfare At This End of the Age”, we explain how you can tell from the Israeli flag how Israel’s leadership currently is Illuminist. We then teach how this type of leadership will be destroyed during the Tribulation Period, and how God will then turn the hearts of one-third of the Jews toward Jesus Christ, so that, when He returns, the Jewish nation shall “look upon Him Whom they have pierced’ {Zechariah 12:10}, in a 4-Tape series entitled, “Israel’s Troublesome But Glorious Future].

      But, today, as we speak, Israel is controlled by the Global Illuminati, and is pursuing their agenda, not an agenda specifically geared to protecting Jews and their national interests. One of the most important elements of the Illuminist plan for the Middle East during the immediate time period before the planned Third World War, is the Oslo Peace Process.

      Oslo was designed to lay a sophisticated trap for the Palestinians first, and for all Arabs secondly. Oslo would promise nationhood to the Palestinians; but through Arafat’s leadership and rhetoric, the Palestinian people decided they wanted all of Israel and all of its Jews dead. Thus, Oslo encouraged statehood aspirations amongst the Palestinians, knowing it was Arafat’s job to never allow a solution, thereby enraging the Palestinians greatly, setting the stage for the ultimate conflict which would result in complete Palestinian annihilation in fulfillment of Obadiah 15-18 [Read NEWS1422 for full details].

      Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and his associate, Shimon Peres, were the instigators and the promoters of this very complicated and long-term plan known as the Oslo Peace Accord. According to Israeli investigative journalist and author, Barry Chamish, Rabin had concluded that Oslo was not in Israel’s national interest, and he had made extensive plans to stop the entire process. Chamish said, “Rabin was rebelling against the most powerful men on earth and he knew the risk. Rabin died a hero.” ["Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin ", by Barry Chamish, p. 170].

      As with President John F. Kennedy, Prime Minister Rabin paid the ultimate price — the penalty — for his rebellion against the plans of the Illuminati. For his efforts, Rabin got an eternal flame surrounded by a circle at his gravesite.

      Princess Diana — Princess Diana was married to Prince Charles, whom many people believe will be the ultimate Antichrist [Read Tim Cohen's book, "Antichrist And A Cup Of Tea" for full details]. After starting the book skeptically, I became convinced that this possibility is very real. Certainly, Prince Charles is of the British/European Monarchy, who can “prove” to the Orthodox Jew priesthood his direct descent all the way back through King David. This requirement is absolutely essential, for Bible prophecy is very clear that Messiah will come from the Line of David [2 Chronicles 21:7; Ezekiel 34:23 and 37:24]. This prophetic fact is the reason God sets forth the line of descendents in Matthew 1, demonstrating that Jesus’ lineage continued unbroken to King David. Antichrist must “prove” this same lineage to the Orthodox Jew, and through the lie of the Merovingian Bloodline , the European Monarchies can produce a line of descendency back to King David that will convince today’s Jews.

      Princess Diana grew out of disfavor with Prince Charles and the Queen Mother. At the end, Diana and Charles separated. Occult sources uniformly state that, after the divorce, an increasingly bitter Diana had decided to tell the world of the secret global plans that the British Monarchy was pursuing. These plans have an occult title, New World Order. Princess Diana knew too much, had seen too much, and had expressed a willingness to spill it all out to anyone who wished to listen.

      For this, Princess Diana has an eternal flame at her memorial at the Ponce de I’Alma Tunnel in Paris where she died.

    21. Gregory Fegel Says:

      P.S.
      I have attended many meetings with the most active 9/11 Truth group (and also the only group that holds public meetings) in my home city of more than 1.5 million people, and most of those 9/11 Truthers are very comfortable talking about and planning violent Revolution. In fact, in their company I am something of a moderate when it comes to advocating violent Revolution. We may disagree and debate about minor issues regarding 9/11 Truth, but we are nearly all on the same page when it comes to advocating violent Revolution.

      I find it hard to believe that everyone in Austin belongs to the peacenik pussy/government collaborator camp. Maybe Publius and his ilk have just driven the serious dissidents underground. How can anyone listen to all that Alex Jones presents and not realize that nonviolent protest is a useless tactic in opposition to the US fascist government?

      We stopped short of Revolution during the Viet Nam War. Let’s not make that mistake again.

    22. Spenix Says:

      Mr. Fegel, Violence could spark civil war in this instance (as could have happened during the early 1970’s)- what about fighting propoganda with reality? Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura and others have done an outstanding job of getting sheeple to wake up to the fact that they are completely disconnected from their elected representatives. Do you believe that we cannot have peace AND freedom?

    23. Gregory Fegel Says:

      In my city we have our biggest anti-War rallies in the spring and another in the fall, and usually about 4,000 people show up for each one.

      The rally in the fall is attended by a lot of hard core radicals, and speakers from the Black Panthers (Yes, they are still active in the black community, with original members who are now grandfathers), Socialist Workers Party, 9/11 Truth, Iranian solidarity, and others are featured on the speakers’ platform.

      The rally in the spring is much more ‘centrist’ (which in the USA actually means ‘right of center’), and has much more of a party atmosphere, with lots of live music and a lot less speeches. I had to really talk hard to persuade some of my 9/11 Truther friends to attend the spring rally this year. I told them that it’s not about influencing the public, it’s about being there and being counted, and about networking with other dissidents. It doesn’t matter what the media says, or even if the media don’t show up. After all, the media is going to diss us and piss on us no matter what we say or do. That’s a given.

      A group of about 15 people from the local 9/11 Truth group were there at the spring rally, and afterward they all complained that the generic peaceniks at the rally were telling them to stop chanting 9/11 Truth and Inside Job slogans, and they were also told by the peaceniks to put away their 9/11 Truth signs, because the generic peaceniks said that the anti-War movement was not about 9/11 Truth. Well, fuck me. Fancy that.

    24. Gregory Fegel Says:

      Spenix:
      In the late 1960s and early 1970s we did not have the Internet, which has caused an exponential growth in the dissemination of alternative knowledge and enabling networking among dissidents. I tried very hard in those days to learn everything I could about what was really going on, but information was not so easy to come by back then. I started keeping a scrapbook of the Viet Nam War when I was in the 7th grade and I knew more about VN than most of the adults I knew, including my two elder brothers who were preparing to go to VN as US Marines.

      I was very impressed by the Buddhist monks who immolated themselves in protest of the US occupation (Hey peaceniks, why don’t YOU try that approach?), and when the US government betrayed the Diem brothers and had them killed in a right-wing military coup, I knew that something was very rotten in VN, and that the USA was at the very heart of that rottenness. I saw a film in 1967 of US soldiers in Viet Nam waterboarding Viet Cong prisoners and wearing necklaces made of Viet Cong ears.

      A couple of guys who were high school classmates of mine used to corner people in restrooms and rough them up. I caught them doing this to a wheelchair-bound paraplegic kid and also to a skinny nerd, and both times I used the threat of exposure to get them to leave their victims alone. The two of them enlisted in the Army’s ‘buddy system’, and they remained together in VN. I met them after they returned, and they boasted to me about a woman prisoner they had raped, tortured, and murdered. By the early 1970s stories like that were a dime a dozen. “Be all that you can be.” “America’s best.” “Hooah!” Horseshit.

      The USA is irreparably facsist. It has been fascist at least since the false flag attack on the Maine that provided the excuse for the US aggression against Spain and its colonies in 1898, and probably long before that. Wounded Knee being a case in point. I doubt that the USA was EVER actually a real functioning democracy or a ‘Republic’, as some prefer to describe it.

      The fascists who control the US government will never relinquish their control without a fight, so any serious attempt to remove them from control will ultimately require violence to succeed. Push them hard enough, including peaceful efforts, and they will fight back with violence in one form or another. Gandhian peaceful demonstrations and tactics sound nice, but they simply will not work against the fascist US government. If you think that you can educate, persuade, or convert the hard-core fascists to your philosophy of peace and love, I’ve got a pair of Towers Towers I’d like to sell you.

      Peaceful protest, the broken electoral process, and the discarded Constitution will not succeed in bringing true freedom, justice, or democracy to the USA. You cannot use democracy to restore democracy in a nation that is no longer a democracy.

    25. Gregory Fegel Says:

      The essential reason why many Amerians don’t want to hear about 9/11 Truth is that the USA is one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, and most Americans don’t want to say or do anything that might interfere with their national gravy train.

      Americans have been taught to believe that the possession of wealth is a virtue in itself. Dispensationalist Christianity is an example of this. When asked to explain what makes the USA a ‘great nation’, Americans often mention the USA’s wealth at the top or near the top of their list of national virtues. It does not appear to bother them that much of the USA’s weath is obtained through the wholesale exploitation and genocidal murder of vulnerable populations in foreign countries.

      How, they ask, could a nation that treats its own people so well (such as the USA), ever mistreat the people of foreign nations? The USA’s wealth and its relative domestic ‘freedom’ serve as their ‘proof’ that the US government and the American people are the world’s ‘good guys’, and therefore the USA is best suited among all nations to assume the role of the ‘world’s policeman’.

      As a result of the average American’s belief in the USA as being superior to other nations by virtue of its wealth, and also the average American’s fear of any decrease or loss of that wealth, Americans in general are afraid to honestly examine any evidence that might undermine their Pollyanna opinion of the USA.

      That’s why the average American doesn’t want to hear about exploitation and atrocities committed against vulnerable foreign populations by the US military, the CIA, or other agents of the US government. Hearing the truth of such things causes most Americans to experience a painful cognitive dissonance.

      The same thing is true of 9/11 Truth; to recognize that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by the US government opens a whole ‘can of worms’ that includes the inescable realization that Uncle Sam is not such a nice guy after all; in fact he’s a murderous gangster. Many of the leaders of the 9/11 Truth movement have stated that understanding 9/11 Truth is the ‘key’ or the ‘linchpin’ to discovering the sinister matrix of the USA’s ’secret government’. When you learn the truth about 9/11, the sweater of US fascism begins to unravel before you, and many other truths become apparent.

      Most Americans, when presented with the evidence of 9/11 Truth, instictively know that they are being shown evidence that, if honestly and objectively considered, will completely destroy their vision of American reality. They also realize that the spread of 9/11 Truth has the very real potential to destroy the USA as a nation. So their most common response is dismissal and denial. I’ve actually been told by a friend who is an MD at a major teaching hospital that she didn’t want to hear about 9/11 Truth because she said that “the implications were too disturbing and frightening for her to bear.” Many of the most educated Americans are intellectually and emotionally just frightened children who don’t want to lose their lollypops.

      So attached are Americans to their wealth that even within the anti-War and 9/11 Truth movements, a large percentage of otherwise sincere dissidents would prefer to see the USA continue its fascist ‘business as usual’ than do anything that might upset the applecart of US prosperity. Even a little. That’s why any talk of overthrowing or dismantling the US government scares the living bejesus out of them.

      But guess what? If you truly want to expunge the fascism from the US government, it needs to be completely taken down and then rebuilt from the ground up.

    26. Gregory Fegel Says:

      An analogy I thought of quite a few years ago compares the economy, society, and politics world of the world to that of a city. The developing countries, what we call the Third World, comprise the poorest neighborhoods of that city, and the USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, and Japan are among the wealthiest and upper class neighborhoods.

      Just like in a city, the rich people of the world dominate the poor in almost every way possible, and the rich do whatever they can to maintain their wealth and their dominance, which typically means exploiting the poor, taking unfair (albeit legal — since the wealthy make the laws and control the police)advantage of them, and even attacking and killing them at times.

      The rich, who control the police, use the police to enforce their domination of the poor. The poor are far more likely to be arrested, imprisoned, or subjected to police brutality, and the statistics prove all of this. The wealthy countries use their ‘world police’ — the US military, NATO, and sometimes UN forces, to enforce their dominance over the poor nations.

      The UN is controlled by the UN Security Council, which consists of the wealthiest and most heavily armed (with nukes) nations in the world. The wealthy nations also use, often under the aegis of the UN, manipulative loans and programs which ensure that the poor nations will remain debt slaves to the wealthy nations. The same way that the wealthy and the banks exploit the folks in the ghetto.

      The psychology of the people who live in the wealthy nations matches what I described before when I was talking anout the American addiction to wealth. They are just like the people who live in the wealthy neighborhoods of a city — they are arrogant, exploitative, self-entitled, and callous toward all those who live in the poor neighborhoods. The people of wealth cling to the top rungs of the economic ladder, and they will do ANYTHING to ensure that they remain there.

    27. BillO Says:

      When you have a government known for not telling the truth [lieing] It doesn’t give a person much confidence that they are interested in uncovering the truth. I would guess the the whole affair was an inside job and their main intent is to cover it up.


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