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Pigs Shot To Train US Soldiers
SkyNews
Friday, July 18, 2008
The US Army has defended a practice of shooting live pigs as part of a medical training exercise for soldiers heading to Iraq.
The military says the practice teaches troops emergency lifesaving skills needed on the battlefield when there are no doctors or medical facilities nearby.
“It’s to teach Army personnel how to manage critically injured patients within the first few hours of their injury,” said Major Derrick Cheng, spokesman for the 25th Infantry Division.
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But animal cruelty organisation Peta has labelled the practice outdated and unnecessary and have urged the Army to rethink the plan.
“There’s absolutely no reason why they have to shoot live pigs,” spokeswoman Holly Beal said.
Peta said the training was brought to their attention by a “distraught” soldier who told them of plans to shoot the pigs with M4 carbines and M16 rifles.
The organisation said there were more humane options available, including high-tech human simulators.
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July 18th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Well this makes sense really, since soldiers regard taking life as they would target practicing, then no one should be surprised. Maybe they can practice throwing grenades at sheep herders, shoot dogs and women and children so they’ll not leave witnesses behind from their war crimes.
July 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am
@ Gary S
Shut up.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I think its a way to desensitize the soldiers into doing horrific acts. If they can shoot live animals for no good reason they will then be able to shoot humans. Its like serial killers, they often start out with animals and work up to killing humans.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:46 am
People have really lost respect for life whether human or animal. Hearing this kind of stuff really sickens me because there is no real reason for it. It’s just another thing to shows us where are society has gone. I hope some of you guys write letters to the army about this cruel act, I know I will.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
@ randomguy
Shut up.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:57 am
I spent 15 years in rescue, 11 of them as a LAFD paramedic. I was also an EMT-1A and EMT-P (paramedic) instructor. Not once did we have to shoot an animal to teach how to treat a gunshot wounds. Not once did we stab an animal to teach students how to treat stab wounds. It is my opinion that this is simply a drill that is designed to desensitize soldiers about shooting live “targets” that will sqeal and scream if not instantly killed. Also, the squealing of the injured pig will also create a streesful environment for the treating corpsmen/medics, which is something they would likely also aim to desensitize.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
You can only do so much evil before karma turns around and bites you hard.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
madeofrubber if karma were real, there would not be these problems. The crazies would all be on fire.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
What makes sense about this is that the nearest analogue to a US soldier is a pig. Wait — that isn’t fair. Pigs are smart and generally harmless. US soldiers are more like crocodiles.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I think its a way to desensitize the soldiers into doing horrific acts. If they can shoot live animals for no good reason they will then be able to shoot humans. Its like serial killers, they often start out with animals and work up to killing humans.
Indeed, just think these maniacs may one day become a member of the Police force in one of OUR neighborhoods. Using their “training” to slaughter civilians like livestock. With waste like this, its No wonder our country is in such massive debt, our tax dollars once again HARD at work.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
They should have just waited until they got to Iraq, where they could practice their shootings and operations on a species of animal that Americans don’t care about — Iraqi children.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
This is horrible, wtf, It’s just like how Bush passed that law a few months back that allowed military chopper gunners to target practice on wolves in Midwest.
I agree it’s to desensitize military..
Sick fucks , man.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Eckhart,
Do you have a source for the thing on the wolves. I would love to see some info on that.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Outdated technique? Yes.
Neccessary? Its good training.
Cruelty to animals? Yes.
Training to desensitize troops so they kill women and children in Iraq? If you believe that US soldiers in Iraq (and I was one) are running around killing everyone then why is there news daily of soldiers walking the streets talking to Iraqis…why are we not just mowing them down? Why are there so many Iraqis left? Explain that?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
More torture and disrespect for life.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Shove a muslim up a pig’s ass then shoot it!!!! Leave the military alone.Shoot the animal lovers next.BAM BAM BAM
July 18th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
It would also be a good idea to use Bush’s daughters as comfort women for the Iraqi troops.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Shame on you “Greg Fegel” and the one who calls himself “kill em all”. Iraqi children are innocents in this war. How would you both feel if the Iraqi government said it was alright to shoot innocent people based on their national identity. You would not like it all. War is h$%( as it is. Iraqi children are human beings that had nothing to do with 9-11. Have some compassion for you are the ones that are sick in the head and heart that has no compassion for other human beings that did not ask to bombed or invaded in any way, shape or form. I am an American and I care about Iraqi children and Muslim to boot. There are more American Muslims everyday. Despite what you have heard on MSM there is no compulsion to the spread of Islam and it was not spread by the sword, it was spread by virtue of its simplicity of doctrine and its strict moral code. That myth was spread by the Crusaders. Get an education before you spout lies about people whom you admit that you know nothing about. As for you “kill em all” pigs are abhorrent to Muslims for this reason, they are dirty, filthy creatures that God has forbidden, not only for Muslims but for Jews as well not to eat of this animal. If God thought they were worthy to be used as food, He would have said so, since He did not, then they are not to be eaten as food. Do your homework and find out the truth before spouting ignorance as it only proves that you have too small of minds to comprehend the obvious.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
FK, and can you explain why after the war there are 1 million plus Iraqis fewer than before the war?
The question you should be asking is not why you were not killing Iraqi people, but rather why you were in Iraq in the first place?
July 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
I sure would hate tobe a pig in this planet… actually it sucks to be any animal in this planet right now…except for birds… maybe.
July 18th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Aww shit, I thought they meant they were shooting cops! 2 bad!
July 18th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
JF:
You misunderstood the intent of my post. I was being sarcastic. We Westerners often do that to make a point. You must understand that I agree with your views, and my sarcasm was intended to underscore the disregard that many Americans have for the lives of the Iraqis and the Afghanis.
July 18th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
I am disturbed by this article. I ETSed in 1995 after Desert Storm and there was never a single instance of any training exercise using live anything other than ammunition and I would have known about it being with LEC. We were aware of every training exercise for every platoon of every company for any given day, including the length of time in the field, their exact coordinates and movements, armaments, troop size, etc… To say this is legitimate for the reasons of desensitizing a soldier to a live kill against an enemy with a real weapon only makes sense when pigs grow or are cloned with opposable thumbs, learn to pick up a weapon, and point it back at you. Then and only then will this benefit a combat soldier in the field.
July 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
After the 9-11 Truth Movement succeeds (and also while we wait), it’s the Terrible Things Humans Do To Animals Truth Movement for me.
Ever wonder why slaughterhouses have to be hidden from public view at all costs? Watch “Meet Your Meat” on Google Video for the answer. The Bible, the Koran, and the Jewish Tradition all have SPECIFIC GUIDELINES on how God wants us to treat animals and slaughter them if necessary (which it really isn’t), to eat. Are we being punished with wars and false-flag etc. as divine retribution? Something to ponder.
July 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
PS. Let’s not slag the “Human Race” too hard. All of this animal cruelty has to be kept out-of-sight precisely because most people would be outraged. They actually need a certain kind of “special person” to do this kind of work, because most folks wouldn’t do it and wouldn’t approve of it – just like “special people” are required to carry out false-flag ops.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Not only are farm animals invisible to the public, they are also invisible to the law.
10 billion animals die in factory farming every year in the USA alone. Very few laws protect these animals from incredible brutality. The Humane Slaughter Act “protects” some animals (requires that they be hit on the head before their throats are cut & they’re hoisted up), but it doesn’t apply to fowl. Therefore, chickens & turkeys can go live into the throat cutting machine & then into the vat of boiling water (many are still alive). The Animal Welfare Act regulates how animals can be transported (how often they have to be rested & given food & water), but only on trains – not on trucks. People have the illusion that “the law” somehow protects farm animals, when, in reality, big agribusiness has been able to write them out of the law through exemptions to anti-cruelty statutes and the like. Farm animals are, basically, invisible to the law. Even if prosecutors & judges wanted to hold abusive farm workers to account, it would be pretty difficult.
Everyone should inform themselves about what happens to farm animals every day, and decide if they can support such cruelty as cutting chickens’ beaks off, de-horning & castration w/out anesthetic, keeping pigs & calves in tiny boxes barely larger than their bodies for months at a time, forced-feeding of geese, etc, all of which constitute “customary farming practices.” Personally, I cannot support cruelty & death, so I shun animal products.
An excellent documentary on farm animal abuse is “Peaceable Kingdom.”
July 19th, 2008 at 4:00 am
I agree with alienation that it is disturbing to do this with a natural or cloned creature and totally unnecessary. C”MON STEVEN, I hope you are only joking. You don’t want to raise any eyebrows at the NSA. Besides don’t you know that the cops just love you?
July 19th, 2008 at 6:41 am
FK
No, we don’t believe you’re killing everyone you see over there, but there are plenty of murders going on all the time. Don’t defend the criminals by trying to mitigate their deeds. You’re just as guilty since you do not condemn their actions. If there is a revolution, you better stand up or else you’re going to be cut down too. Be a man, not some over grown adolescent with an ego to match.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:30 am
I wander how many of you that are crying for the poor little pigs yet you also vote for abortion. I do not agree with the mistreatment of animals but they are here for our use. The only thing I am concerned about is whether or not they waste the meat.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Steven…to darned funny..
leos instead of intelligent porkers?….ROFLMAO
July 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Dear “JF” I know exactly what a pig means to a muslim.What do you remember about the muslim terrorist attacking a school full of children in Chechnya a few years ago? The terrorist were all muslims.They “slaughtered innocent children”,helpless little children.They have no respect for “Infidel’s”,that means everyone on earth that is not muslim.The Russian gov.ordered that all of the dead muslim terrorist be wrapped in pigskin and be buried as a warning to all other muslim terrorist of what they would get if they were stupid enough to ever try something like that again.Incase you don’t know what that means,a muslim cannot enter “paradise” if they have been covered with a pig skin.I know the obvious YOU on the other hand DON’T.You need to wake up and realize what is already in America and what is going to happen soon.Are you going to convert to”islam”,if not you will have your head chopped off? Don’t believe me,just wait.
July 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I have an idea!!!
Use CHENEY for practice. That’s what HE does.
“A Most Dangerous Game”, anyone????
Come discuss this privately, securely:
https://www.intl-alliance.com/forum/index.php
See you there.
July 19th, 2008 at 11:24 am
kill’em all,
I’m just going to ask you this: in the last 10 years did muslims kill more christians or did christians kill more muslims?
Speaking of the Beslan tradgedy. You don’t even know that it actually happened not in Chechnya but in Northern Asetia. How can you tell what actually happened there? You don’t know anything.
Yes the terrorists did kill children that day. But do you know how many children died during the siege by Russian troups of Grozny city in Chechnya?
Just like so many others you are just making your judgment on your onesided narow views. What a surprize.
And by the way, I do realize what is going to happen soon in America. And when it does, converting to Islam will be the least of your problems!
July 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
To all: Only bad Muslims are terrorists and these are the people that tick me off the worst. They are hijacking a legitimate religion that teaches: peace, love of God, charity. Those who do those evil deeds are not worthy of being called Muslims. Mainstream Muslims everywhere denounce what has been done under the banner of Islam. Mainstream Muslims have been denouncing these acts since 9-11 but we are not heard as the MSM does not want to focus on those who do good works and live their beliefs by doing good deeds for others everyday as their ratings would plummet and the government has no interest in those that are doing good things for people as it would delegitimize their agenda of war.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Kill’em all. Do you really want to talk about a people that consider everyone else as infidels? I know of one group of people that think like this. Zionist Jews! If you are a gentile then you are nothing more than cattle to them. You have it completely backwards. Musslims are not taking over this country jews are. Funny you mention beheading in this country because there are jewish laws in our U.S. code now that call for beheadings. YOU obviously have no clue as to what is really happening. Or you are a plant paid to come into these sites to spread your antisemitic beliefs. Are you going to convert to Judeaism? If not you will have your head chopped off. Dont believe me look into it. Israel owns the U.S. and they are buying 100 million dollars a day to own us even more. Mossad helped plan 911 and their media has manipulated the american mind to believe it was arabs.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I’m sorry, but people on this article need to get back to reality. Some of you are under the crack induced hallucination, that a few of rag tag, backwards, sheep herding wahhabists are going to conquer the most powerful country in the world. As a former muslim, let me educate you in the ways of Islam. Shia muslim are forbidden against going on aggressive jihad, without the presence of their messiah like figure, The Mahdi. They may only go on defensive jihad, when their Muslim land has been invaded by non-believers, and rightly so. On the other hand you have the the Sunni Muslims, which do believe in offensive jihad. Yet only ten percent of the total Sunnis support wahhbism. And the only reason this ten percent is able to even barely wage war, is because of the oil revenue their countries provide them with. And even with this, they are only able to wage war with guerrilla tactics and improvised explosives. Face the facts, there is no “global network of terrorists”. Hell, half the time the extremists are too busy fighting amongst themselves. Let’s face it, the terrorists are only a scape goat, set up by the US government in order to move their master plan along. The threat of America being “conquered” by Arabs and “forced to convert or die” are the fantasies of power hungry mad men.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Mr. Great 199… Jews actually discourage conversion. A Rabbi will turn you down at the very least (according to Halaka) 3 times, and even then there is a period of 2 years minimum of watching you to make sure you’re a sincere convert.. And nothing in the halacka calls for beheading. Can some of you actually study the religions you say are the “root of all evil”?
July 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
When the killing starts,guess who the first will be to get it,sorry whinning useless maggots.Jewish and Christian people don’t strap bombs on their own children to go kill innocent people,muslims do.Great 199,you better start learning Hebrew. no one,more muslims have killed the most and I’m not converting to anything nor am I worried.I’ve got everything taken care of. Best regards to all.
July 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Now I understand why they chuck puppies off cliffs. They just wanted to see if they could treat its injuries…
July 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
During the recent Infitada, for every one Israeli killed, three Palestinians were killed.
The Israelis helped arm, train, and lead right ring death squads that killed more that 200,000 Guatemalan peasants, stole their land, and gave it to US agribusiness firms.
The Israelis cooperated with the racist Apartheid regime of South Africa, which in turn helped Israel develop nuclear weapons.
What did Guatemalan peasants and South African blacks ever do to harm or threaten Israel? Answer: nothing.
July 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
kill’em all
you are right, Jewish and Christian people don’t strap bombs on their own children to go kill innocent people. Instead they drop bombs on them from their airplanes. Do you really think it is in any way better?
July 19th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
kill’em all
Also, you are obviously very confused about the number of Iraqi (mostly muslim) people killed in the war started by the US (mostly christian). But what you are confused about even more, is that you think that this is about religion in some way. Relegion is just a tool to keep people under control and fear. It worked with you I see! No one is going to convert you to anything. You are already a great material for the world to come. Fearful and ignorant!
July 20th, 2008 at 12:50 am
My goodness! Such a BRAVE stand you are taking there by bashing Christians & Jews! Douchebag.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:52 am
BTW, please learn to at least SPELL religion before you trash it.Douchebag.