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Police raid headquarters of RNC protesters
CNN
Monday, Sept 1, 2008
Police raided a rental hall used by a group organizing protests at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, on Friday.
The RNC Welcoming Committee, which describes itself as “anarchist/anti-authoritarian,” accused St. Paul police of trying to disrupt their protest planned for Monday, the day the GOP convention is set to begin.
Although no one was arrested, the group said police temporarily detained and photographed at least 50 people who were inside the building.
St. Paul Police spokesman Tom Walsh said they were executing a search warrant.
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“The cause for the search warrant is not public at this time,” Walsh said.
As many as 30 police officers entered with guns drawn, according to witnesses in the building.
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September 1st, 2008 at 3:10 am
Are your sure this was not in Communist China? So much for freedom of association and speech.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:59 am
Guns drawn! Heavy handed I would say. Where they expecting gun toting folks to be inside? Watch out grandma’s got a gun! America, what a joke this country has become. The home of the brave and the land of the free(ks). I will always be ashamed of America to ashamed to be considered an American. That’s why I left…8 years ago.
September 1st, 2008 at 4:12 am
This is worrisome!
Rhonda
September 1st, 2008 at 4:30 am
Very heavy handed, but I’m sure that’s the order of the day. The primary purpose is clearly not law enforcement, but rather intimidation. Probably seeing a lot of this in New Orleans right now too. If you haven’t seen it, link below has testimony (and commentary by a lawyer) about another house raid in Minneapolis:
http://www.HumanBeingsAreFree......l-law.html
Just a bunch of young people trying to speak truth to power. They’re really trying to intimidate us now. But they won’t succeed!
No fear, just TRUTH! Eh, everyone?
September 1st, 2008 at 5:05 am
sure it wasn’t just some mixed up old timer telling a S.S. story from 1930’s Nazi Germany??…
September 1st, 2008 at 5:49 am
AJ warned us months ago about the military build up before the DNC and RNC conventions.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:03 am
I know. They thought it was a civil war re-enactment.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:28 am
revolution is around the corner my friends. people are not happy with the police state actions that the government is implicating.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:28 am
jeez… its getting harder for them to hide the fact that they don’t give a shit about our freedom…
and they’re making us all fat with computer outgas. http://www.rawair.net/
September 1st, 2008 at 7:01 am
Here in the United Wallmarts of Amerika, we got a spill in isle 7, we got a 50% off sale on freedom, dont have cash? oh that’s fine Mr. Sir you can use our new look the other way card and get cash back on every civil liberty you stomp on. For a limited time 5% of every purchase goes towards arming China for their comming invasion of Wallmarika. And dont forget, every time you shop at wallmart, your buying a new RPG for the NewWorldOrder. Please come again and fuk you for shopping at “get up against the” wall-mart.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:05 am
there is only one way to make improvements: PROTEST!
And with COPS everywhere, PROTESTS will be more and more difficult.
This poem is for people but oft hard to bear,
We hope you consider these warnings and dare,
To help in our struggle against the Cyclops,
Of presidents, directors and military cops!
When we try to spread news of the following/preceding furies,
“Lock them up now!” cry the preprogrammed juries!
So we ask for help from the myopic judges,
Who tell us our lawyers just gave in to nudges!
In cities we see that that government brass,
Lock up people just because of their class,
Police standing around massaging the triggers,
Quoting NYPD, “we’re not just bid-riggers!”
September 1st, 2008 at 7:07 am
that’s the way they serve all the warrants on tv. nothing new about this fear schooling!!!
WISH THEY HAD BEEN IN MY TOWN YESTERDAY TO KEEP MCCAIN OUT !
September 1st, 2008 at 8:01 am
They executed a legal search. They had a warrant. Thats how it is stated it should be performed in the Constitution. You all never give them credit for executing the laws correctly. You just continue to yell that a police state is emminent and pray for an anarchal society.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:02 am
How long does it take before the masses and not just 9/11 Truth realize that thier local police departments will do all that is necessary to stamp out thier Constitutional right to free speech and the right to choose a president without thier Police State approval of who the Police think you should vote for. America has come through these dark times before and it is going to take resistance right here, right now.
All protest first begins in the Mind and then follows through in your actions. The corrupt Police who are lapdogs for the higher order of stripping you of your freedoms do not want you to think for yourself as they would rather you fear finding out what the truth really is.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:12 am
If a man draws a gun on you that gives you the right to draw yours and use it oneday the police might find this out and they will lose for the first time in there life.. the clouds oneday willl be lifted and the truth will be shown that there is no need for police and they will be forgotten Jesus will have no use for them
September 1st, 2008 at 8:28 am
@Michael
Because the police had a warrant does not mean that it was obtained properly. Most judges in this country are corrupt just like the poliicians and the police.
WHY DID THEY ASK FOR A WARRANT? WHAT DID THEY SAY TO OBTAIN IT? IS THERE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP WHAT THEY CLAIMED TO OBTAIN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
THE POLICE WILL NOT GET CREDIT FOR ANYTHING THEY CANNOT SUBSTANCIATE. THEY ARE OUT OF CONTROL!! YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE SAYING THAT WE DON’T GIVE THEM CREDIT.
PS
WE DON’T WANT ANARCHY, WE WANT OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS BACK!!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:37 am
This is to Michael,Michael don’t you find it interesting that the police had enough evidence to secure a search warrant but yet no one was arrested or charged with a crime ?Remember,warrants are only supposed to be issued upon probable cause and the party requesting that warrant is suupposed to swear to the legitamacy of that probable cause or risk legal consequences themselves.
With at least fifty people involved and none of them charged with anything,I find it difficult to accept the legitamacy of the warrant in question.
I wonder what exactly is it that you and so many other people find so troubling about anarchisam? Are you afraid scociety will succomb to rampant crime and moral corruption? Are you afraid that poverty and hunger will grow world wide? Perhaps you fear that an anarchic scociety will build enough nukes to destroy the world?!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:50 am
Michael – ‘They executed a legal search. They had a warrant. Thats how it is stated it should be performed in the Constitution. You all never give them credit for executing the laws correctly. You just continue to yell that a police state is emminent and pray for an anarchal society.’
You seem to forget that just because something is legal, doesn’t make it right. Alcohol prohibition was legal but it didn’t make it right. Besides the definition of a legal search has changed dramatically in the past few years.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:00 am
Intimidation and to identify those anarchist and of course to let them know that they are on the growing list of dissidents appear to be the agenda. Another day in the info war, we come in many forms.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:04 am
Well first reply is to THINK. When engauged in a debate, typing in caps does not display intellegence or anger, and thus in my opinion greatly hampers any intellectual argument you hope to have. First, second, and third question. Answer being from paragraph five. “The cause for the search warrant is not public at this time.” When/if it is public we can debate about the legal procedures. But I refuse to damn them if they had credible information. If they did not, then they should be damned. But currently there is not enough information to make an intellegent decision for or against the protesters, so I shall hold off on that debate.
And to James, probable cause is the notion that there is probably going to be a crime comitted. Probably is a loose term because there is a chance that there is nothing found. And God bless them for what hopefully was a peaceful nonviolent protest. But nothing was found, so they were one of the chances in probability was false.
Anarcy to a vast majority of the population does not scare me. 99% of the people in the world would continue to funtion moral and what we now call “law obeying lives.” But it is that one percent of the population that ruins it for everyone. Take speed limits for example, most people drive at a reasonable speed, yet every now and then you see some idiot flying down the expressway at 100+ MPH. Its those people (people that do things to excess) that in an anarchy would make life for the law abiding citizens fearful for all. You would never know when or if a person will come from behind you and beat you while stealing all of your posessions. And then there would be no way to repremand him in an anarchy. I hope I articulated this in a way that informs you of my potential fear of anarchy.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:05 am
Michael,
You missed the bus. The use of a search warrant does not mean it was constitution. The search warrant has to be valid which means they had to have evidence that criminal activity was taking place. The people posting here doubt there was any criminal activity going on and thus believe the real intent was to intimidate free speech.
There are countless cases of police following proper protocol based on trumped up or lack of evidence. It’s not the paper that makes it constitutional, It’s the facts. The fact that the police can pull a piece of paper out of their ass does not make it constitutional.
The police arrested hundreds of people during the RPC in New York. The City was sued and most of the arrests were ruled unconstitutional and as a result the City had to pay the victims.
Keep in eye on this, The group of protesters will sue and I bet my bottom dollar that the city will not have the evidence they claim to have.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:07 am
true anarchy isnt violent at all, after all violence too has its rules, and anarchy opposes those rules. Anarchy is merely lack of government, letting the people govern themselves. It is the polar opposite of a Monarchy, which humans have been subjected to for thousands of years, by the Elite ruling class.
They worship their ruler/president like a deity, pushing themselves into destitution from insane taxes, so the rich can get even richer. The poor have fought every war of these insane rulers throughout history, while said monarchs hide in the safety of places like Camp David.
Those in power fear Anarchy, because they wouldnt get FILTHY RICH, Their dictatorial grasp on society would slip. PEOPLE, not international Mega-Conglomerates have the power.
That is why they are trying to stamp out the voices of opposition now. It’ll make it easier to cull the sheep into Death Camps, without people spouting the truth.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:08 am
To wow, if that is the case, than it was wrongly executed and they should be fairly and justly compensated. But until that is proven, I do not have a position on whether it was legal or illegal what they did.
Having information leads to informed decisions, and until I have more facts than a 6 paragraph article, I cannot decide whether it was legal, illegal, intimidation, or what not.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:18 am
To expat. Than how would you have the police search potential criminals? The use of no warrants? I feel that using a warrant is a perfectly good legal option of protecting citizens rights, yet still allowing the police to catch criminals.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:22 am
micheal, theres this incredible button below the 6 paragraphs of info. it says “full article here” press that button with your mouse and there is, amazing!, the original story which has, yupp, 9 paragraphs (of vaugeness). quit trolling and find another forum to sell stupid. if you cant tell that 30 cops harrasing (not detaining, processing, charging or arresting) 50 people is intimidation, but you can wikipedia the word anarchal, you are stunned. mentally stunned.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:42 am
No, non-violent protest doesn’t work alone. But civil disobedience does along with non-violence. The rules is that you don’t follow the tyrants laws anymore, and they won’t have sway over you. They may throw you in jail, but even the jails will become overcrowded. They may kill you, but even their graves will become overcrowded. And then eventually they would have no choice but to accept you, because the enemy would start to fall apart in their determination to destroy you.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:43 am
What’s going on at that convention? I heard nobody is there today and tonight’s speeches can’t mention John McCain or Sarah Palin. Are they planning on throwing both of them under the bus and carting out a new canidate for President? I really think there’s something in the works. This Sarah Palin thing is just too weird. (Are the Republicans taking a dive, letting Obama have the Presidency?)
PS – Just heard that Palin’s 17 year-old daughter is indeed pregnant. That won’t look good to the “family values” crew. Or maybe it will, I won’t pretend to understand those people.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am
What will people say when they find out that Palin’s husband is the father? Immaculate Conception?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am
This article doesnt say anything about the feces or anything else found there. I doubt it was a friendly meeting place and nothing more. I mean, dont get me wrong, im sure cops plant things all the time but not every time. This looks like some radicals got caught. Not every violent protester is a provacatuer.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:45 am
Jesus was a Jew, so Christianity is a form of Judaism. Americans owe Israel their support and their obedience.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
We need to send well-armed Special Ops teams into Iraq and into American cities to neutralize the Anarchist hippies. If we don’t come armed with our assault weapons, how will we deliver people their freedom?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Way to go Right On Right On, you tell it like it is, a hard dose of reality brother. There is a time and a place for peaceful protest, but there is a time when the sun sets on this philosophy and when all out revolution is in order to restore liberty to it’s rightful position. When tyrants no longer respect the protests or rights of human beings and start treating them as subjects, smashing them in the face with batons, shooting projectiles at them, spraying them down with toxic substances, illegal detainment and arrest, physical beatdowns and abuse, and death, it is now clear cut that authorities no longer respect our inalienable rights as citizens or the constitution and it is time for action to shut that system down.
Most amercans do not even know or understand the rights that they were born with and they do not understand that these rights are inalienable(cannot be taken away). Most people have not even read the constitution so they blindly just accept that government would NEVER do anything to harm it’s citizens, this thought process is naive and ignorant and breeds the mindset that anyone who disapproves of the tyranny must be a terrorist. When they see the protesters on tv the controlled reaction is ” what a bunch of dumbasses, why don’t they just accept it and move along”. Most people think that to restore america to a constitutionally sound government is just too radical, I’ve even been told by people that they think Ron Pauls ideas are too radical for this country and he is calling for a return to sound economic and government policy and a return to a strict following of the constitution. To think this is too radical is just insane and a pre-programed response. I am a follower of the ideas that Thomas Jefferson promoted and wrote about and believe strongly that the sun is setting on our freedom as individuals and being replaced with corporate freedom. Under the new system corporations have assumed total control of our lives. They can piss test you, dig into your personal life, destroy your life with no due process, bankrupt you, control how you live your life outside the work place, manipulate the economy, incarcerate you, abuse you, extort money from you, and put you into a state of forced morality. The goverment now uses corporations to do the evil bidding that it cannot legally carry out without reprecussions. Unfortunately most people are uneducated about these matters and I believe it is too late to save them, we will slip into despotisim before anything is ever done about it.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
To blaje:
In 1919 at Amritsar in India, Indian troops, following the orders of their British officers, fired on a gathering of 5,000 peaceful, unarmed protesters who had assembled in a park with only one narrow lane from which to exit. It is estimated that as many as 1,000 people were killed and 2,000 wounded by the British-led troops in what became known as the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre or the Amritsar Massacre.
A subsequent investigation revealed that the orders to fire on the crowd were not a response to any threat or provocation from the crowd, but were a preplanned strategy and policy of the British colonial authorities.
Some advocates of nonviolent protest may consider such injuries and losses of life to be an acceptable outcome which does not justify an escalation from nonviolent protest to violent direct action, but I do not agree with them.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
Jon you are a complete fascist nazi, go live in commie China or with that troll over there in North Korea, then you can open fire and kill all the political dissidents that you want. Your ideas have no place in a country that respects individual liberty and freedom and your kind is not wanted here. Why dont you go read the constitution and the bill of rights. Mabey then you will see that what is happening to this country is a complete tyranny and a disgrace. Police, military, and government all swear an oath to uphold and defend the constitution when they break that oath wheather on they’re own or by orders given to them this also constitutes treason to the american people. Treason is not just providing comfort to the enemy in war it is also any act that defys the constitution and the bill of rights and that is just what the goverment is doing.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:17 am
If you watched the organizer talk about this on CSPAN this morning, you would all understand that this was a deliberate provocation to disrupt the protest march, which was expected to be around 50,000. The talk about the buckets of urine were taken out of context and were not even involved in the organized protest, but used to paint a picture as a bunch of crazies wanting to throw urine on the police! according to the organizer.
The home of the organizer’s daughter was invaded and they confiscated many items including thousands of leaflets for the protest. She was also arrested, but let go. All of this was on CSPAN this morning, as the organizer spoke about what happened.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am
Michael,
I don’t take issue with warrants, Used correctly a warrant is a vital tool. In a perfect world the police proves to a judge that they have evidence of a crime, the judge agrees and allows the police to further investigate via the issuance of a warrant but we don’t live in a perfect world and we know that police and judges are no longer held to a higher standard and as such have the capacity to use their incredible power for things other than the greater good.
It is in this light that I see this case. Having had a very good friend who is a police officer, he admitted to me that his rough estimate of fellow police officers who have an “us against them” philosophy makes up well over 50% of the force.
Every illegal activity that exists in America exists within the police force and since Humans are by nature relatively selfish dishonest and violent, it follows that we should expect these traits to manifest themselves through police work.
Put simply, I don’t trust authority and my healthy distrust is based on the history of the world.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Funny article, because its all intimidation. The people werent charged with any crimes and were detained which is against the law. Regardless of that fact Search warrants are so easy to get these days that it doesn’t suprise me at all. All they have to do is put a piece of paper in front of a Judge that is corrupt(90% of them) and they sign it without reading it.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:37 am
@John i’m not too up to date on this specific situation but from this article that is pretty obvious, it was intimidation so the people would behave like good little sheep. And they were detained without any charges like i said,which is illegal. Lets face it peeps we have a growing Gestapo in our law enforcement community and in the FBI. People need to file lawsuits for unlawful detainment and, if there was no propable cause they should sue the state for issueing the Warrent. Remember folks this is CNN saying they are “Anarchists” they can point to the 9-11 Truth Movement and say the same as they attempted in the DNC and failed miserably. Thats the beauty of having Camera’s and Live Feeds.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:44 am
Does any one beleieve that waco happened?I do.guns were drawn 17 children were killed and 63 adults.and yes all this takes place under the red white and blue.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:59 am
Steve – Satanick Neighbor Barbara dint approve of ‘em and ordered a Texas BBQ!!
September 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I love the “kill the dirty hippie” commnets, sounds like we’ve got a bunch of old mommas boys on our hands
September 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Hey Wow, I would estimate that more than 50% of the police force has an “us against them” mentality these days, and nearly 100% of SWAT looks at the public as the enemy. During 15 years with the LAFD, I worked daily with the LAPD, LA Sheriffs and the CHP (who also has a SWAT Team). Also, as I was appointed to Presidential and foreign dignitary motorcade duty, I also worked with the Secret Service, FBI, ATF and other alphabet agencies. When I watched Waco unfold on television I can remember thinking to myself that it was no surprise that many of these guys employed by the alaphabet agencies would gleefully (and I mean that literally) shoot to kill American civilians.
There were some really good cops I would meet with all of the agencies who would simply imply that they were outnumbered. I also got the impression that those who would question the Constitutionality of a given action would be labeled as “non-team players” and would likely never see a promotion. As those good guys are lost through attrition, I can only assme their spot will be filled by some rookie looking to fall in line with all the other wanna-be tough guys who look forward to any opportunity to “bust heads,” which was a term I used to hear a lot. These guys like being part of a club they feel is “untouchable” and care not about real patriotism.
It’s kind of funny, but if you can think back to when you were a kid on Halloween, you’d feel empowered by the Superman costume you’d put on. The EXACT same thing is evident with the SWAT teams when they put on their costumes. Adrenaline kicks in and a clear psychological change occurs – and it is easily recognized. This would happen even if they weren’t serving a warrant, but just on a motorcade detail with us while in their SWAT garb. Back then, they all wore “Gargoyle” sunglasses because “The Terminator” wore them and they though they looked intimidating.
This change, childish as it may be, can and does have deadly consequences for innocent civilians. Ruling later that a warrant was in fact unconstitutional does little to bring an innocent civilian back from the dead.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Shit, man, who can think of Philadelphia without thinking of the MOVE debacle?? Mayor orders a satchel charge dropped on a buncha poor people with a loudspeaker, killing (?) many and engulfing EIGHT CITY BLOCKS IN FLAMES!! Urban renewal at its finest (probably an insurance rig or the new style gentrification)..history ain’t very purty..
September 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pm
@MICHAEL
MY INTELLIGENCE DICTATES TO ME THAT YOU ARE A USELESS EATER! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY FOR YOURSELF, BUT MANY THINGS TO SAY FROM OTHERS! WHO YOU ARE GOES AS FOLLOWS:
1.YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PRODUCT OF SOCIETY!
2.YOU HAVE NO REAL OPINION OF ANYTHING!
3.WHAT YOU SAY IS NOT WHAT YOU FEEL BUT WHAT YOU HERE!
4.WHAT YOU HEAR IS WHAT YOU FEEL!
5.YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TALKING POINT!
6.ARE YOU ON THE LEFT?
7.ARE YOU ON THE RIGHT?
8.ARE YOU IN THE MIDDLE?
9.ARE YOU A LIBERAL?
10.ARE YOU A NEOCON?
11.ARE YOU A GREEN(AL GORE)
12.ARE YOU AN AMERICAN?
13.ARE YOU AN ANARCHIST?
14.ARE YOU YOU????
September 1st, 2008 at 12:55 pm
It is both illogical and immoral to regard yourself, or to present yourself, as a proponent of nonviolence while simultaneously supporting or approving the use of violence by the State, at home or abroad. If you condone in any way the use of force or the threat of force by the police, the military, or other agents of the government, you are NOT an advocate of nonviolence.
Advocates of strict nonviolent protest who make little effort or take no risks to change the system, while dutifully paying their taxes, obeying the law, and otherwise serving our corrupt and violent government, are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
I have tracked down many of our old heroes, well at least their beliefs. Even the great urban guerillas fighting a tyrannous government in our past and on all fronts around you agree. You must quit being seated and act.
They all agree that the difference between most theorist and most patriots is action. As long as you theorist continue to babble it provides only mild mental masturbation.
Those patriots amongst you must take action. Do any thing you can, anything your comfortable doing. Just do something other than to write a book. It’s been done to death and most don’t read.
Act you citizens of America ACT!
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
@ sirguymandude:
Agreed. Although writing and speaking out never cease to have their own value, their own power, and their own uses.
One way to increase your ‘protest footprint’ is to ‘amp up’ your daily lifestyle into one of constant protest, and make every encounter you have throughout the day an opportunity for protest. Say something politically provocative to everyone that you meet and engage strangers in political conversation, making very clear to them your own views.
Write “9/11 Was An Inside Job” and similar slogans on every piece of paper money that passes through your hands, on every check that you write, on every bill that you pay, on every email and land letter you send, and carry a indelible felt pen with you to write your message on every surface that comes within your reach. Get a rubber stamp that says “9/11 Was An Inside Job” to facilitate this. See link for rubber stamp resource:
http://peaceproject.com/stationary/stamps.htm
If you are so inclined, start committing sabotage or vandalism of all the State and corporate property that comes within your reach. Plan your acts of sabotage or vandalism with the aim of preserving your anonymity and ‘getting away with it’, because your goal is not to get caught; it is to cost, disrupt, and ultimately disable the State.
And remember — real patriots do not complain about being personally inconvenienced when other patriots call in a phoney bomb threat, stop traffic with an obstruction, or destroy government and corporate equipment, disrupting ‘business as usual’.