Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World

UK in 5th, behind only the most ardent dictatorships

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World 120509surveillance A study designed to rank countries in terms of how aggressively they monitor their populations electronically, has placed the US as 6th and the UK as 5th on a global index.

The two countries lag behind only China, North Korea, Belarus and Russia in terms of governmental surveillance.

The report, titled The Electronic Police State, (PDF link) was compiled from information available from different organizations such as the Electronic Privacy Information Center, Reporters Without Borders, Freedom House, the Ludwig von Mises Institute and The Heritage Foundation.

52 countries were rated on 17 criteria with regard to how far down the line they are toward a total electronic police state.

The study was undertaken by a private company called “CryptoHippie“, which specializes in privacy technologies.

“In an Electronic Police State, every surveillance camera recording, every e-mail you send, every Internet site you surf, every post you make, every check you write, every credit card swipe, every cell phone ping… are all criminal evidence, and they are held in searchable databases, for a long, long time,” the report states.

“Whoever holds this evidence can make you look very, very bad whenever they care enough to do so. You can be prosecuted whenever they feel like it – the evidence is already in their database,” the report continues. “Perhaps you trust that your ruler will only use his evidence archives to hurt bad people. Will you also trust his successor? Do you also trust all of his subordinates, every government worker and every policeman?”

“If some leader behaves badly, will you really stand up to oppose him or her? Would you still do it if he had all the e-mails you sent when you were depressed? Or if she has records of every porn site you’ve ever surfed? Or if he knows every phone call you’ve ever made? Or if she knows everyone you’ve ever sent money to?” the report asks.

“This system hasn’t yet reached its full shape, but all of the basics are in place and it is not far from complete in some places,”.

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The report contains a colour coded world map, with red representing the most advanced electronic police states, orange for strongly developing electronic police states and yellow for nations that are further behind in terms of surveillance:

Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World 120509surveillance map

It is no surprise to see the UK ranking higher than the US, with it’s estimated 4.5 million CCTV cameras, it’s active DNA database, and given that the British government has openly announced the fact that it wants the authority to monitor and store all phone calls, text messages and emails, a practice already strongly rumoured to be in operation.

The 17 criteria that were used to define an electronic police state are listed below:

Daily documents: How much is required day-to-day for residents to present state-issued identity documents or registration.
Border issues: What is demanded for a border entry.
Financial tracking: The state’s ability to search and record financial transactions.
Gag orders: The penalties for revealing to someone else the state is searching their records.
Anti-crypto laws: Bans on cryptography.
Constitutional protections: Either a lack of protections or someone overriding them.
Data storage: The state’s ability to record and keep what it uncovers.
Data search: The processes to search through data.
ISP data retention: The demand for ISPs to save customers’ records.
Telephone data retention: States’ requirements for communications companies to record and save records.
Cell phone records: The saving and using of cell phone users’ records.
Medical records: Demands from states that medical records retain information.
Enforcement: The state’s ability to use force (SWAT teams) to seize someone.
Habeus corpus: Either an absence of such rights or someone overriding them.
Police-Intel barrier: the absence of a barrier between police and intelligence organizations.
Covert hacking: State operatives meddling in data on private computers covertly.
Loose warrants: Warrants that are being issued without careful review of police claims by a truly independent judge.

The countries making up the top ten in the rankings are Singapore, Israel, France and Germany.

Following the top ten the rankings are: 11. Malaysia, 12. Ireland, 13. United Kingdom, Scotland, 14. Netherlands, 15. South Korea, 16. Ukraine, 17. Belgium, 18. Australia, 19. Japan, 20. New Zealand, 21. Austria, 22. Norway, 23. India, 24. Italy, 25. Taiwan, 26. Denmark, 27. Hungary, 28. Greece, 29. Canada, 30. Switzerland, 31. Slovenia, 32. Poland, 33. Finland, 34. Sweden, 35. Latvia, 36. Lithuania, 37. Cyprus, 38. Malta, 39. Estonia, 40. Czech Republic, 41. Iceland, 42. South Africa, 43. Spain, 44. Portugal, 45. Luxembourg, 46. Argentina, 47. Romania, 48. Thailand, 49. Bulgaria, 50. Brazil, 51. Mexico, 52. Philippines.

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133 Responses to “Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World”

anon Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:07 am
No surprises…

Londoner Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8020039.stm
Plan to monitor all internet use (27 April 2009 14:50 UK)
Communications firms are being asked to record all internet contacts between people as part of a modernisation in UK police surveillance tactics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....655196.stm
US plans to ‘fight the net’ revealed (Friday, 27 January 2006)
A newly declassified document gives a fascinating glimpse into the US military’s plans for “information operations” – from psychological operations, to attacks on hostile computer networks.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....969312.ece
Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones (October 19, 2008)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....mails.html
Councils to be given power to snoop on calls and emails (11 Feb 2009)

Councils and public bodies are to be able to access all email, telephone and internet records, sparking new fears over the surveillance state.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.....ty-central
The House of Lords report: a devastating analysis

The peers’ view of the UK’s surveillance society is a vindication for those fighting for civil liberties, and a warning for the future

http://www.publications.parlia.....8/1802.htm
Constitution Committee – Second Report (Session 2008-09)
Surveillance: Citizens and the State

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2.....edom-peers
Lords: rise of CCTV is threat to freedom (6 February 2009)

World’s most pervasive surveillance undermines basic liberties, say peers

none here either Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:17 am
The 911 false glag has given a blank check for the powerful to seize even more power.

Those of us who point this out are often called “unpatriotic”

in the last 8 years we have wintnessed an almost total erosion of the Constitution and our Bill of rights

but not to worry We have Sports,Pharmaceutical Drugs and Reality shows to keep the sheep hypnotised.
kriss Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:27 am
BREAKING NEWS
TheAlexJonesChannel and THElNFOWARRlOR- official Alex Jones channel on youtube are both closed!!!
STOP CENSORSHIP YOUTUBE!!

please stop censor Alex Jones!!!!

it proves 9/11 was an inside job
Government and youtube is attacking free speech!!please contact youtube and google- and say to stop attack free speech!!
(650) 343-2960
1-650-623-4000

Reconmarine Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Proves 9/11 was an inside job?
Are you serious? If anything, the “police state” would prove that it isn’t an inside job because of the amount of people who need to be involved.

9/11 was not an inside job. Thousands of experts and witnesses are not all wrong or “in on it” themselves…..

Wake up children, the US isn’t capable of that…….

Norman Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Reconmarine, your logic is one that could drive an intelligent person nuts. How many people are involved in moving 40 metric tons of Heroin from the backlands of Afghanistan to places all over the globe? It is illegal, many agencies are out there monitoring and trying to stop the flow, and U.S. forces are in that Nation at this time.

How can you logically conclude 9/11 could not be and “inside job” because the Us isn’t capable of that or because of the amount of people that would need to be involved???

If the Heroin one is not enough you could wonder about cocaine, meth, or marijuana. How do any of these substances move from point of origin to points around the world??

How many people must be involved?? How do so many people keep so quiet that all the main Drug Lords from all Nations are not currently in jail?? How does the drug trade continue year after year?? If people can’t keep their mouth shut than all those involved in the drug trade from bottom to top should be known. Where they live how much money they made off drugs. You certainly can’t be this illogical to say a huge illegal operation is not possible?

Wake up and “THINK!!!” Don’t be so brain dead. I have gone to debunking sites and they use poor reasoning and leave out any information which does not confirm their points. They have no desire to discover or investigate Truth on 9/11, only to put out enough information to sow the seed of doubt in people like yourself that it Could have been demolished by super thermite or other materials.

EYESWIDEOPEN Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
What Logic?

5 Danish Scientists found unexploded Thermite in the WTC dust in March of this year. They announced their findings to the world, anyone can watch the interview.

This makes 911 “truth” a Scientific Fact, not a conspiracy theory. The debate is over. They blew it up.

They blew them up, and lied, and sent mongrels like Reconmarine around the world to kill some more and reward them with combat pay and the title of ‘hero’. He was willing to kill in the first place, and a good enough reason is a good enough reason.
There isn’t a single paycheck he didn’t cash.

You were duped Reconmarine, because you wanted to be.

at my wits end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
recon man is just pulling your chain, over and over.we all know he is a sick puppy.
Quit picking up his puke and toss his stupid ass out back of the pickup truck into the ditch in the country or off a bridge.

Sydd Stone Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Im not one to defend reconmarine but godamn kriss hahaha let me get this straight? because alex jones youtube channel got pulled it means 9/11 was an inside job? That has to be the most ridiculous reasoning i have ever heard. I dont think reconmarine could come up with something as stupid as that..

Theres enough solid evidence to use for your argument. You should try that for once.

as for reconmarine. Your basing your argument on the fact that there would be too many people involved for it to be true? You should put down your Popular Mechanics magazine and tuck yourself in, not too tight tho..You can keep ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence that supports a “conspiracy” with 9/11.

* No one had anticipated the Towers being hit by jumbo jets.
IN FACT: The 767-222s that impacted the Towers were similar in size to the 707-340s whose impact the Towers were designed to survive.
* The jets spilled 24,000 gallons of jet fuel into each Tower.
IN FACT: The 767-222s had no more than 10,000 gallons of fuel when they hit the Towers, and the impact fireballs consumed much of that in seconds.
* Engineers failed to anticipate the fires following the impacts.
IN FACT: It’s the job of an engineer to consider all such possibilities. They would have considered fuel loads based on a 707-340’s capacity of 23,900 gallons.
* Damage to insulation was fatal to the steel structure.
IN FACT: Fires have never damaged a vertical column in a steel-framed high-rise, with or without insulation.
* We are fortunate the Towers stood as long as they did.
IN FACT: Since the Towers withstood the crashes they should have stood indefinitely. The structural steel — an excellent conductor of heat — would have regained most of any strength lost once the jet fuel burned out in about five minutes.

In a hundred years of experience with steel-frame buildings, none have ever suffered complete collapse from any causes other than controlled demolition and severe earthquakes. Yet few officials or engineers seemed surprised by the collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 into their footprints on September 11th.

Numerous articles have purported to “explain the collapses” of the Twin Towers, while the collapse of Building 7 doesn’t even seem to warrant notice. Most of the explanations employ the “truss theory”, in which the collapse sequence is initiated by falling of floors, eventually leading to column failure, while others contend column failure was the precipitating event. Regardless, the conclusion was foregone — some chain of events caused the buildings to collapse of their own weight, the explosions, huge quantities of pulverized concrete, shredding of the steel frames, and other inconvenient facts aside.

Here are some rebutals

In stage 1 (Fig. 1), the conflagration caused by the aircraft fuel spilled into the structure causes the steel of the columns to be exposed to sustained temperatures apparently exceeding 800°C.
This assumption is crucial to the entire analysis, and there is no basis for it. Actual tests of uninsulated steel structures exposed to gas and diesel fuel for sustained periods never exceeded 360°C. And flames were no longer visible in the South Tower moments before its collapse, and it was emitting only dark smoke.
The heating is probably accelerated by a loss of the protective thermal insulation of steel during the initial blast.
Blast? By implying that the impact fireballs were blasts, the authors confuse explosions, which produce very high pressures, with fireballs, which don’t. A detonation wave can be generated by the sudden ignition of an unburned hydrocarbon-air mixture, but is not produced when ignition is continuous, as appeared to be the case with the dispersing fuel in the jet impacts. The fireballs took about two seconds to expand. Had they detonated, they would have appeared in milliseconds.

At such temperatures, structural steel suffers a decrease of yield strength and exhibits significant viscoplastic deformation (i.e., creep—an increase of deformation under sustained load). This leads to creep buckling of columns (e.g., Bazant and Cedolin 1991, Sec. 9), which consequently lose their load carrying capacity (stage 2). Once more than about a half of the columns in the critical floor that is heated most suffer buckling (stage 3), the weight of the upper part of the structure above this floor can no longer be supported, and so the upper part starts falling down onto the lower part below the critical floor, gathering speed until it impacts the lower part.
This flies in the face of engineering practice, which is to build structures at least four times as strong as they would have to be to sustain maximum anticipated loads. Actual load conditions were a fraction of those anticipated loads, since it was not a windy day, and the floors above the impacts were holding only a fraction of their rated capacities. So 90% would be a more realistic estimate of the needed column failure rate

At that moment, the upper part has acquired an enormous kinetic energy and a significant downward velocity. The vertical impact of the mass of the upper part onto the lower part (stage 4) applies enormous vertical dynamic load on the underlying structure, far exceeding its load capacity, even if it is not heated. This causes failure of an underlying multi-floor segment of the tower (stage 4), in which the failure of the connections of the floor-carrying trusses to the columns is either accompanied or quickly followed by buckling of the core columns and overall buckling of the framed tube,
was it too fast to see on the videos, or was it behind the dust?
with the buckles probably spanning the height of many floors (stage 5, at right), and the upper part possibly getting wedged inside an emptied lower part of the framed tube (stage 5, at left). The buckling is initially plastic but quickly leads to fracture in the plastic hinges. The part of building lying beneath is then impacted again by an even larger mass falling with a greater velocity, and the series oimpacts and failures then proceeds all the way down (stage 5).
-Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, in press
9/13/01, Expanded 9/22/01, Appendices 9/28/01)

Mohammed Atta, we were told, attempted to check not one but two suitcases on his final suicide trip. One of the bags was said to contain flight training videos and a copy of the Koran. His rental car, seized in a Logan parking garage on September 11th, was said to contain Arabic-language flight training manuals. 1 The terrorists, we were told, used their own credit cards to purchase their tickets.

Why would people who were so clever at evading the authorities for years, suddenly start leaving an obvious trail? Why would they behave so as to reveal all manner of operational details while the supposed parent organization would not even take responsibility for the attack?

According to ABC News and the Associated Press, the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami was found a few blocks from the WTC. 1 2 The Guardian was skeptical: “the idea that Atta’s passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s crackdown on terrorism.” 3 Note the passport did not belong to Atta, as is commonly claimed.

Satam Al Suqami was supposedly on Flight 11, the plane that hit the North Tower. In that collision, the building’s core absorbed almost the entire airplane, which hit the northeast wall nearly dead center.

The massive operation to clean up Ground Zero was described as a rescue operation for weeks, as if anyone could have survived an event that turned all the buildings’ concrete to dust. The event didn’t spare the corpses either, as they were vaporized, according to the coroner.
Three months after the Sept. 11 attacks, World Trade Center victims’ families are being forced to face the ghastly possibility that many of the dead were “vaporized,” as the medical examiner put it, and may never be identified.

The fires were limited to small parts of the buildings. How did the collapse of the buildings vaporize thousands of bodies? It takes exposure of a body to 1400-1800 degrees F for at least two hours to cremate a body. 1

An entire year after the attack, the medical examiner had identified only half of the victims, despite a well-funded forensic effort using the most advanced DNA identification techniques. 19,906 remains were recovered from Ground Zero. 4,735 of those have been identified. Up to 200 remains have been linked to a single person. Of the 1,401 people identified, 673 of the IDs were based on DNA alone. Only 293 intact bodies were found

eorge W. Bush had important business to attend to on September 11th: reading a book, The Pet Goat, with second-graders in Emma T. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, ostensibly to promote his “education program”. Before entering the classroom around 9:02 AM he was aware of the crash of Flight 11 into the North Tower. Later he said:
And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower — the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, ‘There’s one terrible pilot.’ And I said, ‘It must have been a horrible accident.’ But I was whisked off there — I didn’t have much time to think about it.” 1

Since the only known footage of the North Tower impact was not played on TV until much later, his statement being true would mean that his Secret Service detail had access to video from a secret camera trained on the North Tower at the time of the first impact.

At 9:06, as Bush sat in front of the class, Andrew Card approached him whispered something into his ear, taking less than two seconds. He is supposed to have told Bush that a second plane hit the towers. Bush looked momentarily befuddled. He did not ask his staff for further details. He remained seated and read out loud with the kids for at least eight more minutes, not leaving the classroom until 9:16.
In all, the Commander-in-Chief remained at Booker Elementary School for at least 29 minutes after he was informed that the nation was under attack. Why didn’t he interrupt his photo op to respond to this emergency? Did he lapse into a stupor because of shock? Even so, why did the Secret Service not immediately evacuate him to secure quarters, and why did he go on to give a speech at Booker, further publicizing his whereabouts?

The time and location of the President’s classroom photo op and speech had been publicized in advance. By 9:03, it was obvious that the nation was under attack, and that the mode of the attack was to use jetliners to strike high-value targets. The failure of the Secret Service to remove the President from his publicized location for a half hour implies either that the Secret Service acted with extreme incompetence — incompetence which has resulted in no demotions or repramands — or that the Secret Service had the benefit of insider knowledge that the attack would not include the President.
approach to Sarasota-Bradenton Airport relative to Booker School
The final approach path to the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport passes within one-half mile of Booker T. Elementary School. (graphic credit: Charles Reeves)

The danger to the President implied by the official account, in which the attack was a complete surprise, becomes even more obvious when one considers the location of Booker T. Elementary School. As shown by the illustration on the right, the school lies only slightly to the southwest of the final approach path to Sarasota-Bradenton Airport (SRQ). A jetliner targeting the school and its occupants would need to divert from a normal flight path just a few seconds before impact, affording no opportunity for countermeasures.
General Richard Myers was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on September 11th, and would be confirmed as Chairman just two days later. As Acting Chairman, Myers was the highest-ranking military official, and the principal military advisor to the President. 1

Myers was on Capitol Hill on September 11th, and went into a meeting with Senator Cleland to discuss his upcoming confirmation hearings after the first tower was hit. In an October interview Myers said that before the meeting he saw a television playing, and someone said that a plane had hit the World Trade Center:
They thought it was a small airplane or something like that. So we walked in and we did the office call with Senator Cleland.

The World Trade Center, known as a prime terrorist target since the 1993 bombing, is hit by a jet and there is live television coverage showing the 150-foot wide gaping hole in the building with fire and smoke belching out, and the second hijacking has just been reported, but Myers doesn’t stop to look into it! Myers continued:
Sometime during that office call the second tower was hit. Nobody informed us of that. But when we came out, that was obvious. Then right at that time somebody said the Pentagon has been hit. 2

The Pentagon was hit at least 34 minutes after the second of the Twin Towers was hit, and almost an hour and a half after the FAA knew that Flight 11 was hijacked. Yet no one had interrupted Myers’ meeting with the Senator to tell him the news?

On September 13th, Myers appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing that confirmed his appointment as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Committee Chairman Senator Carl Levin asked Myers if the FAA, FBI, or any other agency had contacted the Defense Department after the jets crashed into the Twin Towers and before the Pentagon was hit. Myers replied that he did not know the answer.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was number two in the United States military command structure. He was working in the east side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th. Rumsfeld told Larry King on the December 5th talk show that he knew nothing about the World Trade Center attack until 15 minutes before the Pentagon was hit, and even then wasn’t told that a plane was headed for the Pentagon. 1

The Pentagon is the headquarters of the U.S. military, with the most advanced communications links to the NORAD control center at Cheyenne Mountain. We are supposed to believe that no one bothered to tell him that four jetliners had been hijacked, and two of them flown into the Twin Towers.

Vice President Dick Cheney was in the White House during the attack. He said he learned of the attack from a clerical secretary.

Interestingly, Cheney, in an interview with Tim Russert on NBC, indicated that the President made the decision that day to scramble fighter jets. This is very unusual, as it is contrary to standard operating procedures, and raises the question of whether and why the President delayed the scrambling of jets. Here is the text of Vice President Cheney’s comments on NBC: 1
Tim Russert: “What’s the most important decision you think he (President Bush) made during the course of the day?”
VP Cheney: “Well, the, I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft … We decided to do it.”

Here Cheney cleverly attempts to confuse the listener into thinking that “intercept” means “shoot down”. In fact the routine procedure of interception consists of flying fighter jets to within close proximity to the off-course aircraft, and attempting to make visual contact with whoever is in the cockpit.

As the attack unfolded, news reports stated that Cheney had been whisked to a secret and secure location — later revealed to be the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the basement of the White House. Cheney was with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, directing the response to the attack. Or was he directing the attack? The testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta is suggestive in this regard.
MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?” 2

Hamilton indicates that “the orders” were to shoot down commercial aircraft. But Mineta’s account makes more sense if “the orders” were not to shoot down any such aircraft. The repeated questioning of Cheney by the junior officer whether “the orders still stand” had to be about whether the order NOT to destroy them still stood. Given the two prior attacks against the Twin Towers using the commercial airliners as weapons, an order to destroy the plane approaching the Pentagon would be the only order to give and would not be subject to question by a junior officer as the plane approached. Furthermore, had Cheney’s order been to fire on the plane approaching the Pentagon (which first came near the White House), the anti-missile anti-aircraft capacity of the Pentagon (or White House), would have sufficed to take out that plane, and certainly to have attempted to take out that plane. Neither occurred, and since Mineta does not speak of a last-second change by Cheney, the only supportable conclusion is that Cheney’s order was NOT to defend the Pentagon, an order so contrary to both common sense and military defense that it, and it alone, explains the repeated questioning by the junior officer.

All theories to be taken seriously must explain the collapses of the Twin Towers as the result of some chain of events triggered by the jet collisions. To this end a variety of “theories” have been advanced. They range from vague notions of forces too immense to imagine, to partial explanations with huge gaps filled in by hand-waving, but are nevertheless dignified by publication.

* Core meltdown is more a notion than a theory. It is invoked through comparing the heat of the building fires to that of nuclear power plants, and supposes that the fires melted the structural steel. This theory can be used in conjunction with a pancake theory, but usually the idea of core meltdown is so compelling by itself that the pancake scenario isn’t required. Since the core meltdown theory isn’t endorsed by any official government report, it is frequently used in straw-man attacks against challenges to the official story, as in articles in Scientific American and Popular Mechanics .

* The progressive collapse theory is the root of all the official building collapse theories. The mass of the overhanging part of the building simply crushes the part underneath, accelerating as it falls. The two major variants of the progressive collapse theory are the truss failure theory, endorsed by FEMA, and the column failure theory, endorsed by NIST.
o The column failure theory holds that the fires weakened the columns on at least one floor sufficiently to cause the columns to buckle, and the upper section of the building to come falling down. To explain how all the columns on one level could suddenly collapse, column failure theories sometimes feature collapse initiation theories.
+ The creep buckling theory explains how the weakening of some columns due to heat could cause them to buckle, starting the spread of a kind of buckle contagion through the remaining columns.
+ The progressing column instability theory is apparently very similar to the creep buckling theory, but allows the columns to spread failure contagion without buckling. This theory is a key ingredient in NIST’s Global Analysis .
Once the columns fail in unison, it is still necessary to crush the rest of the tower from top to bottom.
+ The pile-driver theory supposes that the top of each tower acted like a giant battering ram, crushing the intact portion of the tower from top to bottom.
o The truss failure theory blames trusses under the floors, which are more easily heated than columns, and/or their connections to the columns. The failure of the floor trusses precipitates a chain reaction of floors falling on one another, which in turn leads to total building collapse. The truss failure theory is better known as the pancake theory. To explain how a whole floor could fall, despite uneven fire stress, requires a truss failure contagion theory.
+ The zipper theory explains how all of the trusses on a floor could fall in rapid succession because of a domino-effect failure of their column connections. The zipper theory is much easier to understand if one erases, as did NOVA , the perpendicular cross-trusses and floor pans, and imagines the floor as a series of parallel trusses resting on weak angle brackets.
Once the first floor falls on the second, it must somehow exceed the design loads of the one below, which should have been able to easily absorb the impact of the first floor falling about nine feet, especially if it didn’t fall all at once. Theories that explain this generally blame some aspect of building design and/or materials.
+ The angle bracket theory helps to explain the cascade of floor collapses below the fire zone by suggesting that engineers forgot to apply standard engineering practices when designing the column connections of the floor trusses. Mis-describing the welded steel shelves that supported the truss ends as angle brackets helps us imagine this.
Once the floor diaphragms have started to pancake down between the core and outer wall, it is still necessary to dispose of the dense steel grid constituting the outer wall, and the steel lattice of the core structure. This requires some form of sudden column failure theory. Such theories are usually only implied in tellings of the truss failure theory. Sections of the outer wall and core structure are supposed to immediately collapse from lack of lateral support once the floor diaphragms fall away. Since the perimeter wall and core structure were easily self-supporting except possibly in high winds, sudden column failure theories usually take some liberties in describing the architecture of the perimeter wall and core structures.
+ The column splice failure theory has the outer wall breaking up along column splice connections between the three-story-high by three-column-wide prefabricated sections. This theory is easier to accept if one forgets that every set of three column splice connections was surrounded on both sides by six continuous column spans, bound to the spliced columns above and below by horizontal spandrel plates four feet high.
+ The freestanding core column theory has the core columns suddenly buckling catastrophically due to lack of lateral support from the floor diaphragms. This theory depends at least on the core columns being freestanding, as the FEMA Report allows, in contrast to construction photos that show them to be cross-braced by horizontal beams and diagonal trussing.

* The shockwave theory postulates some unspecified “shockwave” which travels ahead of the crushing mass, breaking up the building. Shockwave theories tend to be found in amateur attempts at accounting for the building collapses.

And if your too damn ignorant to see THOSE facts check this out..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096

BBC news reporting WTC7 collapsing BEFORE it collapsed..

That is just A BIT of the inconsistencies in the 9/11 story. Im not going to sit here and name off everything cause that is not my job..

But you believe what you want reconmarine. And as long as it works for you i guess that is all that matters.

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Uhm, the Government is responsible for most of the drug trade around the World.

LRRP 1968 Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 5:24 am
I think Sydd’s post made his brain explode, like the little green Martians in the movie “Mars Attacks”

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Are you really comparing the drug trade to 9/11? Are you saying an airline pilot who is willing to take a back pack full of dope in his plane is comparable to killing thousands of Americasn to start wars that will kill millions?

Sydd- You are doing what is called straw man arguments. Your making your own claim, then debunking it. Im glad to see you have figured out “cut and paste”

1) Other steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone. Why dont you think one under worse conditions could collapse too?

2) All steel framed buildings in the US now have to have the steel coated by fireproofing or encased in concrete. The top 11 floors of the windsor tower was not encased in concrete and it collapsed. The entire WTC’s were not encased in concrete and the fire proofing was knocked off by the air plane going 500 MPH. Just like the demo charges would be.

3) The high jackers passport- Remember the challenger that exploded while re-entering the atmosphere? It was going about 10,000MPH and when it exploded it reached temps about 12,000F. On board was a LIVE worm experiment. Guess what, they found LIVE worms in the wreckage. Was that an inside job too?

4)You and the other truthers logic on the Norman Mineta story is so stupid. It doesn’t matter if they gave the order to shoot down what later was found to be flight 77. If the shooters weren’t in place to shoot it down, then they couldn’t do it. They didn’t know the Pentagon was the target, and the USMC 0311 stinger platoon stationed at 8th an I who is tasked with that job, was at the white house and the capitol, not on the other side of the river, 1.5 miles away at the Pentagon. Norman Minetas testimony doesn’t imply jack shit regarding an inside job or a stand down order.

5) The thermite “findings” have been claimed before, and debunked before. Since neither you or I know what they really found, Ill wait for real demolition experts to analyze their findings. I do think it’s telling when 9 washed up scientists, none with experience in applicable fields, most of which who have lost their jobs for previous lies about 9/11 all already thought thermite was used, are the ones who found. Do you know what a snipe hunt is Sydd?

6) With your theories, it would require the military, the FBI, the CIA, The State Dept., the NYC fire dept, NYC police, WTC security, etc, etc, etc to ALL be involved in 9/11. The same people who are now on their death beds from breathing shitty air at ground zero were involved and NONE have come out telling of their involvement.
You have to beleive the Russians and Chinese, both who have lost TRILLIONS in weapons sales alone, are both willing to stand bye and watch the US take over and not say a word about it. Not to mention both countries have real time satellite surveillance capabilities and Russia was involved in war games with the US on 9/11. You still think flight 77 didn’t hit the pentagon? You have to beleive the worlds collective intelligence agencies hunting AL Qaeda or involved in Afghanistan in the last 25 years is in on it to. The same people who told us something big was being planned by Al Qaeda before 9/11. The Iranians would have to be involved in keeping it secret, while we tell them not to build nukes. I’m sure Iran wouldn’t want to out the Israelis for 9/11 if they had a shred of proof. They get along so well these days…. And the long list goes on……….
So, if you think we can’t even dump a bucket of water on a terrorists head without getting caught, but we could pull this off….then your lost beyond help.
If you really think operation northwoods, an idea written down on paper couldn’t even be authorize in 1963 or kept secret, yet we could do 9/11 in 2001, your foolish at the best.
It is very clear you have no idea what your talking about and are only capable of cutting and pasting someone else’s politically motivated theories into your own post as if it’s your idea. Every single thing you posted can be easily debunked. The information is out there, go find it. I don’t have 3 hours to reply to every single bullshit strawman claim you pasted above.

The US government has never been able to keep a huge secret, and can barley keep little things secret, so to assume something as terrible as 9/11 could be kept secret is completely unrealistic.

I look forward to your next cut and paste reply…

F the sheeple Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
besides that, the police state has grown leaps and bounds since this false-flag black psyop

when civilian law has less rights than the UCMJ (military “law”), be very very worried (practically already there)

http://patriotsquestion911.com

(aybody who has ever spent ANY time in the miliatry knows they lie and cover shit up every single day, really every single hour. Who benefitted from 911? Seriously consider that. Then consider that the official story has no evidence to support itt at all, in fact the evidence proves otherwise. Figure out how those steel-girded structures, could fall at free-fall speed (1 second slower) STRAIGHT DOWN and then burn as motlen metal for weeks after. Why were the scrambeld jets scarmebled in the wrong direction at 1/2 speed? Why were the media saying Bin Laden did it TEN minutes after the 2nd “plane” hit when the FBI STILL DOES NOOT HAVE EVIDENCE TO SAY HE DID IT?) I could go on and on but I’m likely talking to another blind nationalist who would probably support the government attacks on innocent civilians anyway

F the sheeple Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
sorry for typing errors, doesn’t change a thing

FreedomLover Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I’m nothing close to a structural engineer, but I’ve seen videos of professional demolitions. It didn’t seem to me that those buildings could have come down perfectly vertical unless it was engineered that way. I wonder if we’ll ever know, or what difference it will make if we do?

Being a victim of the swine flu vaccine in 1976 (army) and actually experiencing physical effects leaves me no doubt that governments can and do cover up premeditated experiments and acts of war against their own people. They also cover up botched actions. Someone posted further up about the drug movements. There is a network of covert operations that relies on secrecy. Money, money, money. The video of David Rockefeller thanking the press for maintaining news blackouts of their meetings proves that many people can be bought. Then if they can’t be bought off, they can simply “disappear”, cement shoes and all that.

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:37 am
YES, the military lies and almost NEVER gets away with it and could NEVER do 9/11 and get away with it.

Neither of the 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. PERIOD.
In both towers, the inner 47 columns mainly survived the initial collapse and can be seen standing for a few seconds after the outer core collapsed. It then collapses as it’s base it destroyed by 110 acres of concrete and steel hitting it…

Bin Laden was enemy #1, the media put 1 and 1 together. Remember the Kobar towers, USS Cole, Embassies in Africa?

FBI has plenty of evidence implicating Bin Ladens Al Qaeda network. They aren’t going to indict Bin Laden when he has been indicted for plenty other things. They would have to reveal sources, methods and other secrets to indict him. it would also hinder the tactic we could use to track him with our military. It means NOTHING.

Blind Nationalist willing to let Americans die? Your the one who just spewed easily disproved theories about 9/11 that someone else came up with and you BLINDLY trusted. You think the official story is wrong YET, you don’t even know what the official story is…….Who’s blind again? Sorry I can’t put this in brail for you…

Norman Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Reconmarine,

It is possible I am as dumb as you say in your post about me. Question however, your main claim (if I read you correctly), is that the Elements within the U.S. Government could not accomplish taking down WTC buildings with super thermite and keep it quiet?

The logic problem I suggested (the one that can drive a thinking person nuts!). People in our Government, in the intelligence world some of the World’s smartest, could not do this and keep it secret. (Am I correct in your line of reasoning?) But a small group of fanatics who are being closely monitored (NSA knew the exact location of Bin Laden when he was in Yeman and who he was calling and talking to) can make a fairly elaborate plan to highjack 4 jets (with no communication among them once the plan is in motion), evade our Air Security for hours and destroy 3 buildings with 2 jet strikes and damage another with a third jet.

Why is it impossible for our high level intelligence to carry out an elaborate plan and coverup but completely possible for a highly monitored terrorist group to carry out an elaborate plan and succeed with it? This is why I think you fail the logic test. If Bin Laden can create a plan and 19 alleged terroists can follow through and accomplish the plan (including their own deaths) why is it difficult for you to conceive of the possibility that highly intelligent people in our system planted super thermite on steel beams, cut them and used some energy to move them to collapse the buildings and have the Air Force do some minimal pursuit to stop these jets.

I can see one suicidal person blowing themselves up. But to have 19 people all go through with it and not one weaken and chicken out or talk. One or two people can carry out something like this but 19? Where is your reason here, your common sense? Do you see what I am questioning? I can more easily believe that the jets had poison gas on them killing everyone on board including the alleged terrorists and the jets being flown by remote control into the buildings to set up a plausible reason for the collapse that was planned and coming.

How do you know that Government or people within the Government cannot keep secrets? The only secrets we know about are the ones that are exposed. How many exist at this time we know nothing about? Without total knowledge how can you determine the level of security of information within the U.S. Government or its many agencies? I think it is a huge assumption to think the Government cannot keep secrets. I have talked to retired members of the Intelligence community and military individuals and if I ask certain questions their response is “No Comment”. They have no reason to tell me some information and can easily keep it secret.

Doesn’t it bother you to have such a faulty logical mind as your own? Sometimes you should think through your posts instead of lashing out and hoping to throw out some stupid braind dead insult (I think that is your primary goal in posting your comments). You have a low self esteem issue and get pleasure from attacking someone you know nothing about except a few word on a post. I think it is some form of brain candy to you. Probably the war is very boring at times and you need a little squirt of adrenalin which you get when people start attacking you verbally and you launch back an assult.

chris Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Okay Reconmarine, why don’t you explain how it wasn’t an inside job? How did the explosives get inside the building? Cause if you think those buildings didn’t blow up, I feel really bad for you that you have no basic sense. All you need to do is watch those buildings falling and you can clearly see that it defies all known logic that a building with it’s strength in the basements could crumble down to the ground, indeed below the surface in free fall speed through the path of most resistance without explosives.

The pyroclastic cloud, the concrete turned into powder, the paper blown all over. Where did the energy come from to do that? It didn’t come from gravity my friend, but explosives, so therefore how did Al Queda get the explosives in there? They didn’t. It was an inside job. Cut this bs. If you are a disinfo agent you need to give the 9/11 wasn’t an inside job stuff a rest. You’re wasting your breath and time on the keyboard. The majority knows that 9/11 was an inside job. And if you come on and say it wasn’t, then back it up with some evidence. As far as I’m concerned those that think 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, the burden of proof is now on you! Prove it!

Also about this story, the survellience is obviously another sign that those in charge are getting scared of losing their positions of power because they know that the money system is collapsing so they are taking steps to ensure they keep their power. This is why it’s more important than ever now for people to say NO.

Norman Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Sydd Stone

I have to commend your extensive post concerning the events of 9/11 and I was most fascinated with your coverage of all the well known “Official Collapse” theories and the flawes in all of them. Normally I would not read this long of a post but it was very well written.

I do not know if Reconmarine will read it, but if he would, he could see there is quite a bit of intelligent thought in the “Truth Movement”.

I wish Congress would call you to testify on behalf of the 9/11 Truth movement to finally discover who was really responsible and put those people in jail or execute them. I do not think the United States can recover as a Nation as long as we allow criminal elements to get away with terrible crimes. I would like to see Cheney answer the question about the “Orders still stand” with the Pentagon.

Please help us all and debate Reconmarine on the Radio Station he talks about. I am sure you will easily prove the error in his thinking. With his endless motivation (a true Marine trait) he could serve his Country well by spreading the Truth!

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Chris- Are you a building collapse forensic expert? Because you would be the first one to think the WTC’s collapses were a controlled demolition.

I dont know how much demo you have set off but let me fill you in on something…..

The amount of demo needed to cut 1/2 a foot of structural steel would have been so fucking loud, it would have been heard for MILES away. Ask anyone who has ever done demo, especially shape charges to cut steel. There were MILES if steel in each building. The demo would have been so loud, people all around would have been blind, deaf and had collapsed lungs. Yet, that didn’t happen.

So maybe you could explain the quiet, airplane crash, falling steel proof demolitions that bomb sniffing dogs can’t smell….

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Norman- Are you serious? Sydd didn’t write that shit, she cut and pasted it. Those aren’t her thoughts, all she did was steal some truth sites shit…..

Shes dumb just like you…….But maybe she will take the invite to debate….

LRRP 1968 Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:43 am
cut and paste from a web site isn’t that what you do recon? I’v not seen any orignial information from you yet, you’re just a parrot.
You are supposed to grow out of that after boot.

reconmarine Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Norman-

Yes, Im saying our government can not keep a secret that would have require thousands of participants over a period of over 20 years.

You probably don’t fully understand the implications of what your conspiracy theories would require to be accurate.

Poison gas on planes? Who built the poison gas delivery system? Who snuck it in to the airports and installed it on the planes? Who set it off? Who faked the 67 phone calls, 65 made from air phones? How did they voice morph passengers who got on the doomed planes at the last minute? How did they get all the airport employees who checked the passengers and terrorists in, to be quiet?Who built the thermate? Who planted it in places capable of withstanding airliner impacts? How come the bomb sniffing dogs didn’t go nuts? Who set off the demo? Chief Nigro called Silverstien to let him know the situation of WTC7, are you saying the NYFD was involved in 9/11? Who faked all the terrorist threats from multiple intelligence agencies around the world before 9/11? Who faked all the Hamburg cell info? How did they fool all the spec ops and intelligence operatives hunting bin laden and al qaeda around the world before 9.11? Why hasn’t any of the terrorists being accused of crimes related to 9/11 used any of your theories to get off the charges? Why don’t the Russians and Chinese say anything about all this? Are they just gonna stand bye and watch us take over? Who remote controlled the planes? Who paid all the FBI and DOJ agents not to say anything about whats really on the Pentagon tapes?

etc, etc, etc……There are thousands of questions showing the impossible nature of your theories. None of the intelligence operatives, real intelligence operatives, that question 9/11, have ever come out saying it is possible to do all the things your collective theories imply because they know it could never be kept secret.

Look at how small White Water was compared to this? Look at Op. Northwoods, Look at JFK assassination, look at abu grahib, WMD’s in Iraq, Gulf of Tonkin, etc

All of these examples are extremely easy operations to get away with compared to 9/11, yet they couldn’t even do that……..

If your friends who are active in intel answer your questions, then they would fail their next pollygraph test when asked ” have you discussed classified information with anyone outside of work or without proper clearance and a need to know”? But that doesn’t matter, because your lying about that anyways….

STARMAN Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
DEAR RECON BOY

THE US CAN TORTURE PEOPLE KIDNAP PEOPLE STRIP PEOPLE OF THIER RIGHTS
BUT THIER 100 BILLION DOLLAR A YEAR INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATION CAN NOT
PULL OFFA 9/11 TYPE OF EVENT

I WANT WHAT YOUR SMOKING

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:46 am
exactly my point dip shit- We cant even kidnap people but you think we could pull of 9/11?

Thank you for helping me highlight the retardedness of your claims (That word is copy written by me for you guys)

swinefluinfestsonofagun Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
hey reco, why don’t you do all of us a huge favor, and volunteer to go do a tour in Afghanistan or Iraq, assuming you have not been discharged based on mental evaluations. But if you can go do a tour, please do, and hopefully you will be picked off by Jubba the sniper lol

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Jubba he sniper? Oh, so your an internet tough guy watching videos of US troops being shot by a piece of shit DEAD sniper in Iraq.

Im home on leave having surgery…..Ill go back soon enough

Recon Marine is a tool Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Insert sarcasm here …….

…….thats right NO government in the history of the world has EVER attacked its own citizens to whip them up in a fury, and take their eyes off the real enemy, the one inside their own government. Especially not the US, our politicians are all honest. (Which is why they get caught lying killing and stealing)

Our government is totally honest and righteous, they never wiped a whole race of people off the face of the earth (Native Americans) one such non-attack wasnt using a biological agent (smallpox on blankets)

Recon you are either: Completely oblivious to the obvious, a paid shill, or straight out Full of shit

global plantation serf Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 5:39 am
This is the Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard!

I’ll trust Barry Jennings thanks because he was a heating oil man, as well as a NYC OEM Deputy Director on 9/11.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world.....nterview-0

Ben Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 4:25 am
Any and I mean ANY, person who has been in the military and accepts the BS
of the 911 Commission Report that NORAD sat on the ground for an HOUR and 30 minutes, due to “confusion”or incompetence: Is being willfully ignorant.
4 hijacked airplanes flying around at will and NORAD had no response
yah right-what happened to you marine-head still in a jar

Norman Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Reconmarine,

I thank you for your reply. You asked many questions. On the group of events (such as JFK). All these events were gotten away with. Even if people are suspicious that Oswald was not a “lone nut” no one is in jail for plotting the assassination or admitting to covering it up. We went to war over both Gulf of Tonkin and WMD in Iraq and no one is in jail for either.

About the Secrets, that is what I was saying. The people that have Top Secret security levels will not talk to me about current topics even if I question them. I can name one retired agent since he has passed away. His name was Jerry Dervin and he told me about the Agency he worked in. All-Source Intelligence, but if I asked certain questions, his response was “No comment”. I am saying people can keep secrets.

What goes on at Area-51? Many people work there, only one alleged person came out and talked about what happened there and he was discredited. They are keeping the activity of that area very quiet and they denied the existence of the place until a Soviet spy sattelite released photos of it.

My argument is that is would be easier for a planner of the event to keep quiet as I can see zero benefit to talking. I know enough about intelligence world to know they test people and as they can show an ability to keep information to themselves, they get promoted. I do not know how many actual people would have to be involved “in the know” to accomplish a demolition of the three buildings. On the Super Thermite, a lab could have produced it without the slightest knowledge of its use. People checking in Atta and the others would not have to be in on anything.

I can see one or two people plotting a suicidal terrorist attack and going through with it. I have a harder time seeing 19 various individuals all keeping quiet knowing they will die. If you say our people are incapable of keeping in secrets, why can the 19 muslims be so much superior at that ability than our own? If the 19 can keep it quiet for the months of pre-planning, flight training etc why can’t a few hundred high level people keep quiet (especially when there is no benefit to talk and severe punishment if you do….with the 19 it is opposite, not talking leads to a sure death, with talking you may come out alive). Your questions below…

Poison gas on planes? Who built the poison gas delivery system? Who snuck it in to the airports and installed it on the planes? Who set it off? (reply: you are asking who, an intelligence person who believed we thinks he is doing the right thing because he believes we have to go to war with Iraq or they will develop nuclear weapons and start WWIII, the death of relatively small numbers of American citizens pales in comparison to the millions who would die in a nuclear war) Who faked the 67 phone calls, 65 made from air phones? (If the calls are fake, how do you know they originated from air phones? CIA has voice morphing technology for real and could have taken samples of peoples voices by phone intercept before the flight and only called select few that they had the voice morphing ability to create a believable story for the Public). How did they voice morph passengers who got on the doomed planes at the last minute? (Did they do this?, I have no way to verify)How did they get all the airport employees who checked the passengers and terrorists in, to be quiet?Who built the thermate? Who planted it in places capable of withstanding airliner impacts? (I think they could have done it when they were spraying on the fire proof material, Super thermite with a detonator under the material, and the material in direct path of the airline crashes may have gone off, the few girders taken out were not enough to cause a collapse) How come the bomb sniffing dogs didn’t go nuts? (I am not sure that dogs are trained for Thermite or Super thermite and if it is sealed under the fire proof material then odors will not penetrate the barrier to get into a dog’s nose) Who set off the demo? (I could never answer a direct who as there are several thousand individuals in the Clandestine world that I have no knowledge of) Chief Nigro called Silverstien to let him know the situation of WTC7, are you saying the NYFD was involved in 9/11? (If they were it would probably be one or two people out of the force) Who faked all the terrorist threats from multiple intelligence agencies around the world before 9/11? (My theory is the CIA did most of them, with the end of the Cold War there was serious talk of cutting the $20 Billion CIA budget, many would be laid off, a new enemy that requires CIA needs to be manufactured, anyone can plant a bomb and blow it up, you have teenagers who have done this, I think a lot of people can do these things and if the CIA is doing it why would they investigate themselves?) Who faked all the Hamburg cell info? How did they fool all the spec ops and intelligence operatives hunting bin laden and al qaeda around the world before 9.11? (Only a few top people have to be bad, the rest will just follow orders or accomplish a mission given to them…Read the book Prometheus Deception by Robert Ludlum…the main character was living a lie his whole career) Why hasn’t any of the terrorists being accused of crimes related to 9/11 used any of your theories to get off the charges? (Maybe they have tried but no one is listening to them, or being confined at prisons they may have no access to any of these ideas) Why don’t the Russians and Chinese say anything about all this? (I know a high ranking Japanese official has as well as Italian, with the complexities of International Politics it may not at this time benefit China or Russia to say anything…maybe they are glad we are at war as it drains our resources and finances, maybe they are hoping we go broke and fall apart, didn’t the Afghan war Russia fought cripple them and possilby led to the collapse of the Soviet Union? We supplied the Afghan fighters, maybe they are glad we went in saying “Suckers”) Are they just gonna stand bye and watch us take over? Who remote controlled the planes? Who paid all the FBI and DOJ agents not to say anything about whats really on the Pentagon tapes? (I do not know what motivation these agents would have to talk, and also you should wonder why they have not released the tapes. What is on them??)

I hope (if you check back here again) that I at least geve you some answers to your many questions. Maybe no good ones. But answers none-the-less.

You do seem an intelligent enough person. I don’t have to attack you like many do.

The reason I brought up the drug trade is because in this illegal world (and many more are killed each year because of the drug trade than died in 9/11) many more people are involved in it than would need to be involved in 9/11 and yet there is much silence in this world. And the movement of drugs is at a lot higher volume than a pilot sneaking some drugs in a back pack. The people involved have no reason to talk. There are many drug dealers in the City of Omaha, some get caught, but we had a drug dealer at a previous job location and who knew until he got caught. They even need to advertise their drugs at a low level to sell them but they don’t come out and start telling everyone they meet “Hey I sell drugs” See what I mean here? Why would any intelligence person who had anything to do with the collapse of WTC towers have the slightest motivation to go to the press and tell all?? And even if he did, why would anyone believe him or her?? Just like the Area 51 example I gave above. One person came out and talked about what he did (Bob Lazar or something like that) and he was discredited and Government denied he ever worked there.

If you check out posts of Today (May 14th), you see all about the Bilderberg meeting. This is a real group and has met for over 50 years. The Main Stream media rarely covers it and very few people know about this group but they created the European Union. It is not a total secret but neither is 9/11. As long as the Government can keep the 9/11 theories to a few Conspiracy web sites, no harm done…but they really go after media figures who bring it up in the Main Stream that has access to the larger public mind.

Maybe a Million people read alternate 9/11 theories. That is less than 1% and has very little effect on the American Public mind set. People who bring up Control Demolition theories in the Outside world are considered “Crackpot” and the information flow is very restricted.
Anthony Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:17 am
K. i know about AJC show and supposed copyright infringement on youtube…why now theinfowarrior? what supposed no no did he commit now…got to hear this one.

thanks
Lokis Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Surprised to see Kanada so low – we have more cops here some nights than people – I guess having no army we had to find jobs for the gun nuts. Our cops are little more than armed thugs and have NEVER – anytime anywhere been imprisoned for their actions – no matter how criminal. Just don’t tell the clowns I said so, they will taser me to death and then give an apology – just like today’s headlines here. CCCP May 12 09
AbandonAllHope Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Nice to see they’ve differentiated between Scotland and the UK. We object to ID cards in principal and have no plans on issuing when dictated to by the UK (ERnglish) government(which is going to cause problems for the Uk government when id is implemented as Ireland also has no borders in a UK context, no id cards there either) and also our destruction of DNA data (only kept in the most severe of cases, criminals obviously). But 13 could be better ( it should be more like FIFA rankings for us :we’d be at the bottom )

sporidium Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Scotland is by far the best part of the UK and if the people were mature enough and switched off from the Machine, it would make an excellent independent state. Good retreat country on the NW coast too, where the climate is much milder than the interior and the deer and sheep vastly outnumber the people; in fact, it’s the lest densely populated region in western Europe and has formidable terrain blocking it from the population belts, but I digress…

Artyom Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Unfortunately, the UK is your foreign representation. I would love to visit Scotland, but I don’t believe I need to give two full palm prints, retinal eye scan, and countless other biometric data, and blood works, DNA… Why? For 2 weeks photo tour, visit the bagpipe manufacturer, and buy some keep sakes, they want to know more about me than I do with the added ability to make a clone of me? No thanks…. )
Rob in CT Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Philippines is starting to look pretty good! I know a guy who retired there. Why would you want to pay enormous U.S. taxes and rent your house (property taxes)? If it’s not my house then screw them, I’m not maintaining it above minimum, they can go screw themselves!

William Wallace Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
It’s an English speaking country, got lot’s of available women, tropical, expenses are low,, still a wild west feeling to it. Yeah I’m trying to get over there myself.

Jose Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Yeah, ignorant poor american goes to a poor country to live like a rich asshole pedophile. Get a fucken life.

Joe Mamma Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Fuck off man, if somebody wants to live a better life then more power to him. He said “women” not children. I think maybe you need to look yourself in the mirror there buddy. I think we know what’s on your mind.

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Or maybe just a jealous southern neighbor Joe?

global plantation serf Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 5:49 am
The guy I said who retired, his name is Joe, and he worked hard all his life. He was a teacher. He wasn’t poor. He had a house in Florida and he could have retired there but he chose the Philippines.

He got a better life.

And he is not being spied on endlessly either.
Matt Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Joy to you, brothers… You be strangers. Come for the festival, ayuh? You’d better hurry. It’s almost the RED HOUR.

maninwarren Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Are you… of the body?

John Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
The body is one.

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
No, he is not. He is speaking prophetically though.

Marplon Reply:
May 17th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Blessed be the Body, and health to all of its parts
Micael Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
who is #1 worse i wont to sell my home and move out of the us what counrty is the best place to go (Hungry) FUCK THE USA

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:51 am
good, get the fuck out. We dont want you anyways you fat slob
Magnus Larsson Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Actually the U.S. is number four. Only China, U.K. and Singapore are worse according to the raw data that is linked from the report. Discussion about the raw data can be found here:

http://yro.slashdot.org/articl.....12/0012255

Misha Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
I can’t believe UK and USA are not Nos 1 & 2 on the list. I have been living in China for some years now and this place is sooo free you wouldn’t believe it. Last week I went to Beijing and at the airport of departure I walked right past the baggage x-ray machines without putting my luggage through and noone said boo, they just looked at me and politely smiled. In many western countries you have to take off your belt AND shoes, I mean, for fuck’s sake how dumb is that. Last time I was in Oz, they questioned me about some nail clippers on a key ring and yet failed to examine a “used” pot pipe on the same ring. Their security doesn’t mean jack shit . Ceramic guns and non-metallic ammo have been available for some time if some one really wanted to do some damage it wouldn’t be too hard to bypass their pathetic security measures.
Putting China above the UK and USA on the list is Bullshit !!! I live here and can see what’s going on, I have ex-pat friends who also agree with me, which is why they live here and not in Gulag USA or Stallag Britannia.

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:53 am
If you really live in China your either retarded or LYING.

You know what your saying is not true at all.

молоко Reply:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:24 am
I live in Russia, and it is awesome! I’ve been here for over three years, since I decided I didn’t want to live in a police state(the USA). I’ve never looked back, never gone back, and don’t plan on returning. You might be one of those people who see “news reports” on CNN or FOX and believe the bs, that China and Russia are SOOOO bad, but they aren’t, and if you actually came here and lived a while, you’d know that. Instead you are an ignorant fuck who can’t understand anything that doesn’t come from the TV People. I have friends who live in China, and they love it. They have NO problems with things there, and haven’t returned to the States for years either.
The TRUTH of the matter is that Russia and China are only bad on TV. If you actually go there(come here), you will quickly discover that not only do you feel much freer, but you feel a stark sense of dread at the discovery of the lies which have been perpetrated upon you by the media/government, and subsequently, you begin to wonder what else they said which wasn’t true that you took at face value. Pull your fucking head out of the propaganda machine and maybe you’ll come to understand that the only terrorists we need to worry about are U.S.
Notorious Kelly Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
MPC = Monitoring Precedes Control.

The End Goal is monitoring every action of every person 24/7.

The problem with that is someone then needs to pass judgment on what behavior is acceptable and what action needs to be taken if your behavior is unacceptable.

WHO DECIDES THAT?!?

at my wits end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
anyone and everyone is the problem

the 'DECIDER' Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Why, anyone proclaiming themself to be the ‘decider’, that’s who. And we all know what level of smugness it takes to be a ‘Decider’. Ha Ha Ha, ‘Decider’…..golly there sure are a lot of self important smug asses ’round these parts, eh?

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Youre on the money. Most people think that the Antichrist is going to be a man. They think that he will rule, and then be destroyed by god. What if the Antichrist, and ruler of the New World Order was artificial intelligence? How would anyone even argue? People will say, ” its a computer, its can make more decisions; and better, than any person, how can it be wrong?”

We have seen this depicted many times in movies. This is their goal. That will take them out of the picture completely. They can enjoy their lives as the elite, while the computer AI manages the World Order.

Watch.

Misha Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I reckon you’re not far off the mark there. I’ve often though that after all, if you want to play with numbers, then, WWW, using the Ancient Greek alphabet = 666. Or it could be another way to describe ” The abomination that makes desolate” being set up in the place of the daily sacrifice. This explanation is more plausible than many,– although Obama is looking like a hot contender for the spot.

HanksExfed Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
A supercomputer with a little Artificial Intelligence; A talking computer with counterparts in every courtroom. Beep Beep, Guilty….Beep….penalty…Beep…Next..
Kingrommel Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
With the exception of maybe London – there are not many Cops going about in the UK and you dont feel the ‘conscious police presence’.

But considering the amount of Kodaks in place (4.5 million) they are just watching us from behind a desk. (Doesnt seem to reduce the amount of drunken tarts making an arse of themselves at the weekend.)

sporidium Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
It’s not just London. Any main train station, airport or harbour is crawling with police as I discovered last year traveling from London to Belfast via Liverpool.

currie-uk Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:18 am
Last year I came back from Venice thro’ Heathrow to go north to Manchester, and was told if I did not comply to Iris recognition scanning and fingerprinting as well as showing my passport then I would not be allowed back into the country. I got out to Italy on just my passport!! The immigration chappie looked like he was enjoying his “Hitler” status. Also, I have never seen so many cops with machine guns. Don’t get me on police at train stations. A few months ago I disembarked at Preston returning from Edinburgh, and the place was crawling with police. Huge cameras on tripods photographing everybody who was leaving the station. Lots of police dog handlers roaming around.
Rob Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
So much for DEMOCRACY!
and
More so because USA is now the sole agent of DEMOCRACY in the Middle East.
In USA it is more DEMOS+CRAZY than any thing else

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Thank god democracy is dying. It was a plague to the Founding Fathers. They created what is called a Republic.

Say the pledge of Allegiance. There is no mention of democracy. It is in fact, demonic.
REAL6 Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Youtube sucks!!!

Start posting on http://www.liveleak.com and other little sites that dont give a fuck about cencorship!!!
Frank Williams Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
In Britain it is ALL electronic: that’s why you don’t see many cops on the street. And they don’t care about things like violence or drunken thugs and sluts. They just look for political crimes, terrorism, economic crimes. Surveillance is so high, your hair stands on your neck from the fizzing electronics.
Adolf Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Nooooo!!!

I am sad! How come we are not number 1?
defrag Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
1. China
2. North Korea
3. Belarus
4. Russia
5. UK
6. US
7. Singapore
8. Israel
9. France
10. Germany
Reconmarine Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Police State?

Does anyone realize how stupid and uneducated Americans look who complain about how bad we have it?>

Im sure the group who did this “study” has no bias’s of any sort…..

“Oh, poor America……We have it sooooo bad, how are we ever gonna cope with this terrible Police State we live in?…….

sporidium Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“Does anyone realize how stupid and uneducated Americans look who complain about how bad we have it?” – Not as stupid as you do, shill.

F the sheeple Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
don’t worry once you are a veteran and non-active duty, you’ll realize you’re on the terror list too

(Patriot Act – they don’t even need to charge you with a crime EVER)

Does that sound like what you took your oath to protect?

Think it doesn’t apply to US citizens? WRONG

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

What country has more people in prison than the rest of the world COMBINED?

It used to be called the USA now its the 4th reich’s military puppy

the end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Yes and what better way to gather up all the old military first:)
We’re sitting in a government project right here. They want names
of those who question and we all joined the conspiracy websites.
Our fathers and grandfathers also all died in WWII and Vietnam
what better way to say goodbye then the ultimately F U to the
“sheep”. Everything around us had clues for years, it was right
in front of our eyes. What they did was call everyone who started
to question skitzophrenic and used them to test drugs on. As soon
as military showed unstablity due to knowing too much + being
civilian, they quickly rounded up names and used them as piggies
too. This govt never cared about us, when you use propaganda
lies and manipulation to get someone to serve via media outlets
and psychological operations, those same people who lied to
you once will lie to you again no problem. It’s going to be a harsh
truth for all those who served this country I think.

the 'DECIDER' Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
You must be a ‘Decider’ Retarded marine….., You could not fool a fool, you WORTHLESS TOOL, now have at them cancer sticks, there is an early grave waitin for your retarded ass, ha ha ha ha

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:56 am
notice how the real tough guys come out but never have jack shit to say about the topic, they only get in a virtual fight with me online…….

I bet they are soooo tough in real life…..

A bunch of fat lazy slobs sitting in front of their computers making threats…..

Incriminally Sane Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RECONSTITUTED MARINE;

How many times do you have to be made a fool to realize how utterly stupid you really are.

For a paid government agent, you are one hard headed, fool who knows not when to quit.

You will find very soon just how expendable you truly are and then you will wish you had chosen the other side of the fence.

P.S. Please stop calling yourself A MARINE! You make the real SOLDIERS look bad.

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:57 am
dumb fuck- Marines are not Soldiers.

Soldiers are in the Army

Marines are in the Marine Corps

LRRP 1968 Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Your post knocked me off my chair. I read your silly posts and think it is just an honest difference of opinion, but son, you are sick.
Did you forget your oath? Or did you ever take one?
Do you remember what you swore to do?

the end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Defend the constitution and country.
However, it was already obsolete
because the bankers had already been
here and put their politicans in charge
to add and subtract to the constitution.
One of the main bankers said, care not
I for the laws of a country, if I control
it’s source of wealth. something along
those lines. what people perceive they
are defending and what they are actually
defending are two seperate things.
Everyones perceptions is different.

LRRP 1968 Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Then it makes it even more important that we take it seriously.

As you say everyone’s perceptions are different, yet the Constitution dopes actually a brilliant job of making it plain an clear and making those different perceptions not relevant. we all have ideas about what government should or should not be doing, but it comes right down to the words in plain English that either allows government to do something or prohibits it.

The way our constitution is structured is actually very simple, not complicated at all. Government authority is spelled out specifically what they are permitted to do. I fit is not listed than it is illegal.

I will you give you an example. Most gun owners think that the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to own a firearm. It does not. the 2nd Amendment is really irrelevant. the constitution grants us no right because of government granted us rights it can easily un-grant them. This is not how it is structured.

If they repealed the 2nd Amendment tomorrow it would have no effect on our right to own a firearm. Our right to be armed is part if our birthrights as free humans. The government is granted no authority to prohibit firearms ownership.

it sound sliek a technical distinction but it not, it goes to the heart of how our nation is structured.

Today the federal government is nothing more than a criminal band asserting it’s illegal authority by force of arms. It is no better than any armed gang. We are living under mob rule with the mob having no idea what is really going on.

They manipulate the mob for their own ends and mob doesn’t have a clue about what’s really going on. They’re so far into it they actually trust and believe the lying hypocrites who are running them. A few stand by on the sidelines and observe – they see what’s going on – but they know you can’t reason with a mob when it has been so expertly groomed.

Sydd Stone Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
We have an amazing standard of living. I think the point of this is we WANT TO KEEP THIS STANDARD. We are loosing our rights everday and we as a society have the RIGHT to defend those rights. So by your logic we should just shut up and let everything happen to us because we are better of than other countries so stop complaining? No FUCK THAT. Our grandparents and great grandparents fought so ignorant fucks like you could express worthless opinions. That is whats GREAT about our society and soon by the looks of it that will be gone.

I try and ignore you but you have got to be one of the stupidest people i have ever come across and i dont like saying that about people, but seriously you are so godamn clueless you dont even know your head from your ass.

Why dont you go and hang out on some glen beck page or something like that? Im sure they will see your stupidity even if you agree with what he says but atleast you will be with your own..

the end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
See the problem with this country is that we are not civil.
Compared to other countries we look uneducated and uncivilized.
Who are the best bees, the real worker bees, ones who are not
concerned with educating themselves. You put a bunch of
military folks together in one room and the language is its own
full of hatred words and vulgarities. Most of that comes from
the actual military structure setup in a way that you are given
a target and it’s pounded into your head that is the enemy.
Unfortunately, the real enemy is who you’re working for, the
one using you. Our country taught us to hate our neighbors,
because it was based on racial issues so long ago. However what
everyone failed to see was that it was actually just a big cage where
things were being imported into and different people of different
races and cultures were being thrown into the cage or stepped into
the cage based on propaganda about a new place. First the whites and indians,
then the african americans, then the japanese, etc. etc. we all had
inner conflicts and struggles that got us through the day, we argued
about the politicans and what side of the cage was better then the
other side of the cage. it’s really all a simple concept but you have to look
at the big picture and go back through history and facts a little further then just
our own country. We’ve all been slaves, look up slavery, it’s been
going on for as long as man existed, it just changed form over time, men were
first sold and labor + production changed as the world changed.
Capitalism is a form of slavery. What better workers then those
given a little bit of pride and some tools to really get the bigger job
done. Cheers

KS Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 5:20 am
I’m not American, and I find that it is Americans like you that seem dumb and uneducated. Go watch football and eat a burger.

Millions of Americans are proving their intelligence by demonstrating their critical thinking abilities and voicing dissent at the worrying Big Brother developments instead of just doing what His Masters Voice tells them.

Read Alan Moore’s V for Vendetta and look at your nation. Any resemblance? Worried? Or are you just another useful idiot?

“Go back to bed, America, you are free to do as we tell you!”

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:58 am
why dont you get off Americas internet, stop watching our movies, stop wearing our clothes and stop asking us to bail you out when your weak country gets in a shitty situation…..

global plantation serf Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 6:02 am
No one likes to be spied on. Only a Police State like Communist China does that right? No Virginia, they are doing this (and wasting our money) for a reason.

Eternal Vigilance, watch what they do, or you will end up being a global plantation serf like me.
magpie Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
but all people say is well i’ve got nothing to hide’ too that i say bollocks everyone has things they don’t want the man to know about. if they know you, they know how to manipulate you and they probably would’nt know it’s been done.

well fuck it i’m off to watch some porn ring a mate get some stuff and wasted then slag my boss off on facebook lol
maninwarren Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
But only if they have their transponders on. We have an agreement with all the major nuclear powers, wherein if they try and execute a sneak nuclear attack on us, they’ve promised they won’t turn their transponders off — because that would be cheating. That’s how those dirty terrorists got away with it — they cheated!!!

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Yes, and I see that most of those ‘dirty’ terrorist are alive and well all over the globe. Thermite was found at ground zero, traitors within the US Government did it.

Reconmarine Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:51 am
an airliner, 4 out of 4000 are NOT monitored by NORAD. They are looking at air threats originating OUTSIDE of the the US…..

Ghost Troop- Ill give you $10,000.00 if you can provide a picture or video of a high jacker after 9/11…..
Michael Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
he only solution is a revolution..by we the people..

the end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
We the people have no more resources left and 303 million people and will have no “military” as we knew it, so with what army and divine intervention I ask?

Name (required) Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:39 am
With the state militias you were SUPPOSED to be maintaining for just such an occasion. The forefathers of the United States specifically put in the 2nd amendment in order to enable the population to overthrow the government should shit like this happen. Try using it and try using your brains.

Honestly, you people aren’t doing anyone a favor by gnashing your teeth, prostrating and complaining like helpless sheep at a slaughterhouse. You’re all claiming that if a certain small, elite group of rich people who have made themselves beyond the reach of any legal system whatsoever have their way, it will result in the deaths of BILLIONS of people and the subjugation of the entire human race. The Entire. Human. Race. That is what you guys are saying. The claims you guys are making NECESSITATES assassinating the motherfuckers responsible. The fact that one of you would even say something as pessimistic as the end’s comment, let alone the fact that you guys evidently do nothing but delude yourselves into thinking that if everybody “wakes up”, then that will magically make the people you claim are responsible for this have a change of heart and quit leads me to believe that you guys are full of shit.

If you’re gonna talk the talk, then walk the walk. If you truly believe that the people in power really ARE going to kill billions of people, if you really have the facts to back up your assertions, then you’d god damn well better start planning some kind of organized resistance, because if what you’re saying is true then the future of our species depends on you getting off of your asses, getting armed and getting organized. If you don’t currently have a way, FIND one.

FreedomLover Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:28 am
You hit the nail on the head. The problem is that no one wants to be the first to take a bullet anymore in the name of freedom or honor.

We’re all armchair quarterbacks without a clue what real sacrifice looks like. We’re content to sit back and criticize those who are working on the problem without doing anything about it ourselves.

Where are the heroes? They’ve turned into jelly, sitting in their Barco-loungers eating hero sandwiches and slugging down beer, or singing Kum Ba Yah while they smoke their dope.

молоко Reply:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:55 am
You cannot fight the Elite. We can never amass enough weaponry or a high enough caliber to even begin an opening battle. Fighting is not an option. You may kill a few cops, a few hundred, maybe even a thousand, but then what. You’ll be a grease stain in the dirt after you get firebombed by fighter jets. There are real armies, like the Taliban, who cannot defeat the onslaught of attacks orchestrated from half-way round the world. What makes you think that you would do any better. The answer is not fighting violence with violence.
The answer is passive resistance. Look at what Gandhi did for India, or Mandela did for South Africa, or Martin Luther King did for blacks. These revolutions were successful because they DIDN’T use weapons, but words. The WERE the change they wanted to see in the world. You should try doing the same.
Michael Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
The Phillippines is the main new source of prostitutes coming to amerika…via the US MILITARY IN KOREA AND GERMANY..AND THEY CONDONE IT! THE P.I. are ONE BIG PROSTITUTE …

global plantation serf Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 6:04 am
I’m sure that many Filipinos will object to this.
liars Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
and america is one big drippy dicked cesspool

the 'DECIDER' Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Not ALL America, likely just YOUR neighborhood, glad I don’t have to ive there, God help us……

GhostTroop Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
No, all of America.

the end Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Funny how he thinks he’s not one of the sheeps
lionswhep Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
At the rate we are going we should zoom up to first place thanks to GW, Homeland Security and Mr. Obama. You ain’t seen nothing yet!

HanksExfed Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
We aint seen nothin yet… how those words ring true. They will jump at the chance to lock us down if there is a large scale Solar storm that knocks out phones and tv for a couple of weeks. A few large record earthquakes; or another extreme terrorist attack. Like the chief of staff[freakn emanuel] said, “cant let a good crisis go to waste, its an opportunity to do all the things you couldnt otherwise ordinarily do”. And dont accuse me of taking that quote out of context, these lowlifes are refering to all of their radical plans for the sheeple.
LRRP 1968 Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
only the 6th? We Americans should accept nothing less than being first, right “recon”

Break out the Brownshirts boys, we have the US honor to uphold.

global plantation serf Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Right up there with Communist China right?

Here is your manifesto to memorize:

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/m.....festo.html
Andrew Milner Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
The Malaysian tourist promotion commercial, announces, “Malaysia, truly Asia”.
How would you promote the North Korea (DPRK) or the Union of Myanmar? “The police state where you walk the streets at night.”
But US and UK: Talk about the worst of all worlds. Disturbing, particularly for the UK. The worst of the worst. Ranked with Russia, China, Malaysia, and Singapore.

Artyom Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Living in Russia, I can tell you that the cameras here doesn’t equate to police harassment. In fact, it is difficult to make some police interested in doing their jobs. Cameras cover the highways, ATMs, Metro(subway), and door entrance. If you are stopped in your car, you get out to talk with them and they don’t over react. I find it difficult to see Russia high on the list. It has an external appearance of being like others, but it is really too relaxed beneath the surface. One has to remember, there is Moscow and then there is Russia.
As with US and UK, everything is fine until you come in contact with assholes on power trips. The Anti Terror campaign has brought them out of the closet. )

молоко Reply:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Thanks for posting this. I was beginning to think I was the only one living in Russia that reads this stuff. I don’t live in Moscow, and the police element here is almost non-existent. If you are being mugged, you may as well forget about the police coming to help. You are on your own, especially at night. That’s why Russia is so great. You have a sense of self-dependence which shows you are a man, not some pussy waiting for the next chance to call the police to do the job you should have done. Russia Rocks!
Madman Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Give it a year, and we in America can again scream at the top of our lungs, We’re Number 1, before being beaten to death by the police.
duramaximized Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Hey, what do ya know, that douche bag recon marine turned up again. Must still be looking for that rope eh?
Misha Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
I reckon Recon is just stirring your ass and you’re sucked in.
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Ok people here is the answer to all of your questions.

Alex can close down shop now because nothing matters.
There is no revolution.

First the U.S. Education system has been lacking for years for reasons.
Second, everything you know is a lie. Google that. Man created your
books with the least amount of information you needed to know.

Third, conspiracy was always the idea that something just wasn’t right while
you continued to work like a hamster in a cage so your mind wondered,
dreamed, etc, lots of fun. Just like De Ja Vu, everyday the same thing,
the same capitalistic system which you believed was the same system to
rob you blind of every chance for your own survival. Remember folks
capitalism is based on greed, created by the greedy.

People, humans, replicate their thoughts. It’s proven science, it’s perception,
it’s hard for man to get away from it. The elite, the brightest, all know this.
The scientists and economists that knew this first came long before our time.

Evidence is all around you today, you just need to open your eyes.
Disney world is the perfect example, search Buckmeister Fuller and see
some of his creations. Pretty spacy, their dreams with their science and
greed, and space age bullshit to survive, the elite, any future complications,
not including the other sheep in the picture.

They have long came and drained our resources while the worker bees
kept working under their faux economic system, like a Ponzi scheme basically,
the biggest scheme ever known to mankind.

There is no American revolution, it came a long time ago people, and there
are no resources left to sustain life.

Remember learning survival of the fittest, yes it is true.
Also remember that you were taught some believed the Earth was Flat,
you never heard that again, if you look into that group, their information
was shutup by the rest, the ones who were already in charge.

The big picture involves economists + science + survival of the fittest.
The best and the brightest.
The churches fought it but they were disregarded years and years ago
because science was on a mission of survival.

It’s over, science + economics + history. All remaining resources on American
soil were depleated while we the worker bees to the elite drained them all.

We’re all sheep including politicans. Right now they are just draining the last
resources left from man on this soil, right under your nose you are robbed
of everything including your chance at survival because they know you are
just a rat in a rats race.

The churches fighting it years and years ago, only thing the church gives u is hope for the future but science + greed + survival of the fittest already dipped its greedy hands on our soil and we gave it all to them freely. Smoke and mirrors baby, what you saw with
the Iraq war was just another attempt to drain a resource left on this earth, the oil.

We learned about survival of the fittest years after the evil man + economists created our bogus textbooks telling us about it.

cheers, it’s over, we have no resources left we gave them all way under a fake economic system while we increased our population to a nice 303 million people who will not survive.

everyone is a sheep, including politicans, some purposely put in place to cause distraction while another resource was gone after. remember the price of metals shot up, alum. went sky high, that was for a reason, they do love their aluminum. years ago, there was a man named Buckmeister Fuller and there were other great inventors and economists and scientists before our time that we never really heard that much about.

Survival of the fittest happened a long time ago, the elite knew, and they took everything
they could take from everyone and you are left with nothing but the DREAM. The dream
you were in while you worked for them, increased their science, they learned about cloning
sheep so they could continue their evil bloodlines, and with our own ignorance, we are foolish
to think it is their fault, because truly it is our own ….for never breaking out of the box and never even understanding it while it was under our noses. all of our ancestors died for their survival all under a guise of humanity survival and other bullshit they create.

The corporation TOPS are just hoping to make enough of the left over resources in order
to be a part of the other TOPS.

Do I win the conspiracy theory prize? A future would be nice, but it looks pretty bleek.
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Wake up guys, America was a dream. It’s over

Artyom Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
What is a dream? In fact that is all it is. So it isn’t really over if you still dream it, right?
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Man never landed on the moon either, it was entertainment. When you realize how much was a lie and how much our country is laughed at by corporations while we eat it all up and they call us fat stupid pigs, understanding the harsh realities that it was all a lie, just hug your loved ones and spend time with those you love. That is all we have
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
I worked in Special Operations I’m quite sure I’ll be beheaded
That girl and the torture pictures of her holding the leash and
all that shit, they brainwashed her and then used it against her,
long story, they did it to numerous people to shut them up.
The shit going on now in the military, u prob dont
really want to be apart of, the media is brainwashing u with
subliminal messages in order to prepare our children for violence
and war, psychological operations at their best, there is no fighting
anything, what you believe is your right is already owned. You’re a slave
and your existance, I’m not too sure of at this point but most likely
the most elite, resources are in their hands, everything. I suppose
just the rich living off those who died for the cause and snubbing their
noses because they never served in a war and never had to do anything
or wipe their own ass in life. That’s survival of the fittest. Good luck
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
We are their shit fucking food and our forefathers were used as gunea pigs with chemicals and drugs in order to learn about the sustain of life, we bought all of their shit and worked harder making more money to give away in a hoax, the top basically robbing u without u ever understanding it, we wanted our kids to go to school under their educational system of lies and old obsolete knowledge, creating more revenue for them, sent our kids off to wars, programmed for them to create media to brain wash us with, bought all of their new electronics and gagets, our scientists worked on learning about dna so they could later use it against us, clapped when their rockets went into the sky, talked on their satallite communications, testing this and that, no matter how many of millions died for the cause of acquiring more landmass, and then we all go into cages while they sit back and laugh about how they are brighter stronger richer faster. we’re a dumbed down society with great pride in our past, but if you really look at the past, it isn’t so pretty, they just altered the figures and facts to make it look nice.
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Do you guys know that a plane hit a financial district building before WWII. No because they keep that out of the current media, you forget your history, you repeat your history. Humans replicate their thought process which makes them perfect sheep. I’m sorry people
I loved the conspiracy theories they all got my mind thinking and then the harsh reality set in.
gravel kucinich paul nader Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
It is a sick compliment.

We have our own “pro” trolls assigned just to us!
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
That is why the churches opposed it, they are only man too but it gave some kind of hope for all people, hope for survival, hope for the future, taught love and tried to give some guidance, but science kicked religions ass. The oldest churches didn’t want science to take over natural humanity. Science wanted to survive

FreedomLover Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Science confirms the Bible if you open your eyes and read it. Long before the flat earth people ever tried to convince everyone their theory was right, God had it written down (book of Job). Satan was a liar from the beginning, and he is trying to convince every one of us that it is over – that he won. Not gonna happen, folks. The only reason Jesus delays His coming is so that everyone will have a chance to accept Him as savior. It’s because of His mercy that we are not consumed.

Satan goes about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. He’s got the illuminati convinced that they are their own gods and that they rule the earth, but he cares nothing for them and has their destruction planned out. Those elite are going to have a very rude awakening when they face their maker as all of us must do. Satan hates people because God loves them. He is bent on every one of our destruction.

The ecumenical church is what you’re referring to. They are the ones trying to convince everyone that science and the Bible are contradictory, when in fact, they are not. The “church” that is trying to bring everyone together into an all-inclusive one world religion is the “great whore” spoken of in Revelation. True disciples of Jesus Christ and children of God are a very small percentage of the population. Jesus said that the way to life was narrow and that there would be few that would find it. The way to destruction (hell) is broad and many would go that way.

I’m not sorry to call myself narrow-minded because the way to life IS narrow. When Jesus said He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, and that no one came to the Father but by Him, that’s pretty exclusive. There is no other way, and I will make no excuses for sticking close by Him. These dark times are a shadow cast by the “elite” because Jesus is right behind them with His brilliant coming!

It’s easy to be sucked into hopelessness when our eyes are focused on circumstances rather than the truth.

F.E.A.R. = False Evidence Appearing Real

Living out my faith means encouraging and comforting others even if I don’t have the power to take up weapons. Those actions of compassion and kindness are reason enough to keep on keeping on. People need the comfort and kindness. People matter to God, and they better matter to me if I claim to know Him. God doesn’t make mistakes. He can use everything, even evildoers, to accomplish His will.

Blessings to all.

молоко Reply:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Who created God?
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
It’s already been done, a long time ago
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Close your eyes and imagine the world from the outside looking in.
Everything is so important to us in our country but the bigger picture
controls it all. It keeps the rats moving, their “progress” and agendas
going, makes taking resources much easier, read up on old Buckmeister
Fuller he said religion was obsolete 2000 years ago, the evidence is
all around you, the Disney Dome is one of his creations. The men
came and robbed this place a long time ago, we all just kept working
for them and helping for the cause. For the global elite, the smartest
and most wealthy to survive. Who would you want on your team for
human survival? A good ol’ boy from the south or the best scientist
in the world. It’s a game. Buckmeister had a location in the US called
“World Game” a long time ago, the games already been played folks
and unfortunately stopping to think about it might just stop you in
your tracks. The bankers, the corporations, they are just draining
the last of the resources now. The Iraq war was to drain oil.
It’s all smoke and mirrors. Everything you know is a lie.
the end Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Even our intelligence scales were created by them. Who is a genius
and under what terms? It’s all a big joke and we’re the butt of it.
I was born and raised on this so called American education but I
always knew to trust my gut instinct first and my gut tells me it’s
all a hoax. I searched my whole life for answers, it’s never gotten
me anywhere either. If you stop in the Matrix the harsh truth might
kill you.

FreedomLover Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 11:06 am
God made the oil. He made the people. He made the planet and every precious gem and mineral. If the God who made everything and everyone is as powerful as He has proven Himself in the past, He can do it all again and infinitely more. This is not a fairy tale. It’s time to stop wallowing in fear and hopelessness. So what if I’m being spied on by evil people? God saw it all first from the beginning. He also sees what these elite snakes are doing, and they WILL be held accountable for their actions. As another poster put it, roaches fear nothing so much as a light switch.
EU-Lex Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Heh Ukraine Hungary Greece Poland, you have money to afford this from what IMF bailout?!
Nice politics.
mike Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 2:48 am
THANK YOU the end I suggest ALL SHEEPLE OF AMERIKA READ WHAT THIS GREAT MAN AHS WRITTEN…READ IT ALL–DIGEST IT—THEN READ IT AGAIN…THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT…IN VERY DEEP SHIT KIMCHI…VERY DEEEPPPPP
PPP Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:01 am
If the NWO would stop attacking the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). Then the DPRK and PRC would be able to stop monitoring their nations so heavily. However, to suggest that more electronic surveillance takes place in China compared to the UK is totally untrue, same can be said of the DPRK as most monitoring is done manually not electronically.

80% of Chinese don’t pay any tax at all, and in the DPRK you are given a free apartment for nothing. WAKE UP, the West is now a prison.
OpenAnalysis Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:11 am
The UK is not 5th. Your reporting is FALSE. England & Wales jointly are 5th. Scotland is 12th. Read the report properly.

Last time I checked, Russia had elections for their leaders…a far cry from an ardent dictatorship.

молоко Reply:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Russian elections are as fair as American ones:)
global plantation serf Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Eternal Vigilance is what this site is about. We need to watch these people all the time because they are watching us, especially those abuse their authority, so they know they cannot do whatever they want.

I think all people do not like being spied on.

And those evil guys fear the spotlight, however, some are audacious or stupid.
jefferson Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Remember this advice: Chip yourself before they chip you. Your chip is a chip jammer,theirs will be worthless. When in doubt under an oppressive government,change your name to:JOHN DOE…their surveillance will be worthless. Give the reptiles so much info that they choke on it,make them die from their act of harvesting.
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Fred Dawes Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
In many ways much of this will disappear into history as the USA starts it total collapse into the third world.
As the USA become the world it will fall apart into some primeval age and much that most understand as civilization will also disappear.

Why nothing about the police state of Iran?