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Police want to “peek around” homes in Mariam search
CHRIS DOUCETTE
Toronto Sun
Tuesday, Nov 10th, 2009
Toronto Police are stepping up their search for missing teen Mariam Makhniashvili by visiting 6,000 Forest Hill homes and asking for permission to have a look around inside.
The move, which comes nearly two months after the now 18-year-old girl vanished without a trace on her way to school, is rare but it has been successful in several investigations in the past.
“(It will be) an intensive investigative canvass of the area where Mariam lived and went to school,” lead investigator Det.-Sgt. Dan Nealon, of 53 Division, said today.
In what he called “an unprecedented move,” police have assigned 60 officers to conduct the intense door-to-door search of the 6,000 residences – houses and apartments – in the densely populated area surrounding Mariam’s family home on Shallmar Blvd., northeast of Bathurst St. and Eglinton Ave. W.
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November 10th, 2009 at 5:52 am
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Bray Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:09 am
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November 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
From the article, the police apparently will respect search refusals. I don’t know much about Canadian law, but don’t you guys up North have the tradition of search warrants and that sort of thing?
Patriotgal Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Sure, you can refuse. Then, you get surveiled!! Win-win, for the government. I would NEVER let a government thug into my house. Anyone who does, will regret it, sooner or later.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:48 am
In the Toronto Star today they reported that refusals could expect to be re-visited with a search warrant. This is a tough call – if it was my daughter missing I would want to search every house myself. The Toronto police caught a lucky break a few years ago when another girl went missing was found murdered. A sharp eyed officer noticed an odd green rug in one apartment while doing a door to door Q&A. Turns out it matched fibers on the girls body and the guy copped to the abduction and murder – (on a side note, it is too bad we don’t have Texas justice up here for that dirt bag.) Of course the next thing we know door to door voluntary “peeks” into peoples houses will become the norm rather than the exception.
Patriotgal Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Of course, if it was you’re daughter, you would want a door-to-door search. But MY privacy rights trumps your worries. IF you start letting them in, “voluntarily”, they will soon be visiting, on a regular basis, weather or not you want them.
rustychester Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Hence my description of this situation being a tough call. As with any time they feel the need to bend the rules in an extreme situation, suddenly it becomes an accepted part of their operations. Wait till people start getting fines because their IPOD or cell phone is on the seat beside them during a R.I.D.E. stop.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Mariam and her parents are from Georgia/Russia. Her parents lived in Los Angeles for 5 years before moving to Toronto. The father was charged with some sort of sexual interference case in the US ,which was not proven. I find it quite odd that so much time is being spent on her disappearance. There is obviously something they’re not telling us. Maybe the door to door search for her ,is really a search for the out of control numbers of grow-ops the cops are bent on busting. Or maybe the Russian Mafia has a hand in her disappearance. One thing for sure, we are kept in the dark, as that’s how governments work.
TheHorseman Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Everyone should get together and make sure they have Fall of the republic or another AJ video or Loose Change playing loud on their tv when they conduct the search. Follow them around and question them about 9/11 and advise them that they are an accessory after the fact to murder for 9/11 by doing nothing and aiding and abetting the real criminals.
Make sure you film them and watch what they’re doing in your home in case it’s some kind of test study and they plant bugs or tiny cameras in your homes.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Ole Adolf Hitler stated that when one jew was responsible for a crime, every jew across Europe lost their Human Rights. I guess the Toronto police whole heartedly agree with this ‘principle’.
The police have ZERO right to go fishing, regardless of the crime being investigated. If you do not undertstand this, please consider doing the Human Race a favour, and go terminate yourself.
A search warrant can only be issued on probable cause. Probable cause can NEVER EVER be aligned with a citizen exercising their rights, when said citizen is NOT a specific suspect.
Ordinary criminals are bad. A state that eliminates Human Rights, using ordinary criminality as an excuse is meta bad- the kind of bad seen in Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Russia, and Mao’s China.
BTW, I detect the stench of Tony ‘Hitler II’ Blair’s team in the actions described in this story. Blair is changing the ground rules all across the West, and uses the zionist trolls of the mainstream media to cheerlead the abuses. It doesn’t matter to Blair if he seeds the changes in Canada, Australia, France, the UK or the USA, so long as once established, the abuse can be exported to other nations of the West. For Blair, where one country proves resistant, another will be weak.
BR549 Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 am
It’s indeed unfortunate that the very people, who used to casually stroll down the street in uniform to actually HELP the citizenry, have now become part of the larger social problem. When their title eased its way from Peace Officer to Law Enforcement Officer, the whole focus of their jobs took on a whole new meaning; now implying that everyone is doing something wrong and it’s only a matter of time before they get us.
Whatever happened to the days when PEACE officers also had enough of an intellect to provide philosophical advice to a citizen who might have been “about” to do something wrong?
November 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
This is for the good of the children!
Why would anyone deny access to their home when a child is involved.
This is ridiculous – either you want to be free or you don’t – and if the police can’t even search for a child, then how can you expect to live in a safe, secure and healthy FREE world.
jameswaterwolf Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
They are searching your homes because when you tell them Mariam is not in your house, they Don’t Believe You. The general public can no longer be trusted. You Call That Freedom??
TheHorseman Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 1:37 am
My problem is she is not a child. She is 18.
She also disappeared 2 months ago.
If they had conducted the search 2 months ago, then that would have been feasible.
2 months later rings warning bells.
I have never heard of a search home to home ever in Canada, though I’m sure there might have been some for certain crimes. But not 2 months later. Even a week is pushing it.
November 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
We are witnessing creeping police state tactics here in Ontario. The Toronto police have indicated that if you do not invite them in to search your closets, cupboards refrigerators etc, they will probably be back with a search warrant, because your exercise of your rights indicates that you may have something to hide. Here in Ontario they now have the power to pull cars over at random to give one a breathalyzer. They have also been given the power to impound your car and drivers license for days if you have had a drink, even if you do not fail the breathalyzer test. Things are getting worse all the time. They look everywhere apparently, nooks crannys, basements, check out your bookshelves to see if one is some sort of subbversive judging people by their reading material.
Canuck Schmuck You're OuttaLuck Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
So what? You chose to live in a country that’s fast becoming a police state and is under the G** damned queen- enjoy it stupid. Or you could GET THE F*** OUT! -Come here and fight the NWO rather than staying there and bitchin about it cuz that’s all you can do up there, and soon you won’t be allowed any say at all.
November 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
We are witnessing creeping police state tactics here in Ontario. The Toronto police have indicated that if you do not invite them in to search your closets, cupboards refrigerators etc, they will probably be back with a search warrant, because your exercise of your rights indicates that you may have something to hide. Here in Ontario they now have the power to pull cars over at random to give one a breathalyzer. They have also been given the power to impound your car and drivers license for days if you have had a drink, even if you do not fail the breathalyzer test. Things are getting worse all the time. They look everywhere apparently, nooks cranys, basements, check out your bookshelves to see if one is some sort of subversive judging people by their reading material. The last time this was done in a missing person case, apparently some people had the police return with search warrants weeks later on other matters because of things that the police noticed in the homes.
November 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
To save a life, door to door searches is nothing and should be done. However, they have alerted the kidnappers with their announcement.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
this is a fine line that that allows anyone to knock at your door.. and a fine line to walk through. it leads me to believe the time to assemble is now.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
us good ol canadians will take this,we will even say it is good.canadians are the ultimate sheeple
November 10th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Iam a Canadian and i would not let them in without a warrant! Why, because the police can not be trusted. Lets say you let them in and they see a roach in your ashtray, YOUR BUSTED AND NOW YOU WILL HAVE A CRIMINAL REACORD, LOOSE YOU JOB, BE FIND, GET THE SHIT BEAT OUT OF YOU AND GO TO JAIL. No thankyou.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
This is either inspector Clouseau bumbling along to try to solve the case, or an excuse to run a dragnet to arbitrarily search houses without any reasonable suspicion. I think it’s the latter… Come on… The police can’t seriously think that they will catch the kidnappers red-handed, or find any evidence by searching the neighboring homes.
Hopefully they do get to the bottom of this, but I do have an issue with these door to door searches…
Section 8 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms says “Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure”, and the police ARE overstepping their bounds here. The 6,000 residents are not suspects, and hopefully most of them exercise their rights as citizens not to subject their homes to these searches, thus making it a bureaucratic nightmare for the police. And if the police do try to get a warrant to search the homes of those who refuse, hopefully no judges in their right minds would allow that. The police have to state why they have reasonable suspicion or probable cause to the judge, and one simply exercising his right under the constitution not to be searched does NOT constitute “reasonable suspicion”.
Yes, it looks like it’s just an excuse for the police to enter into people’s homes to snoop around and look for other violations, and with the myriad of laws on the books (mainly of the malum prohibitum variety), how can you be sure you’re not in violation of something?
marty Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
To add to my comment above, here’s an excellent article why not trusting police is not irrational: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/cohoon1.html
November 10th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Here’s a better detail of what’s going on in Toronto, with reference being from the Canadian Civil Liberties Association in the story:
Police can’t play hardball in Mariam search: CCLA
Updated: Tue Nov. 10 2009 3:32:30 PM
ctvtoronto.ca
People can choose to be good citizens and allow police into their homes in the search for missing teen Mariam Makhniashvili, but they also have the right not to, says the general counsel of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.
But Natalie Des Rosiers told ctvtoronto.ca on Tuesday that the police do not have the right to be intimidating in the process.
On Monday, the Toronto Police announced an “unprecedented” door-to-door search effort to find the 18-year-old, who hasn’t been seen since Sept. 14.
“You will expect a knock at your door and police will keep knocking on your door until they can identify that you are there,” Det. Sgt. Dan Nealon said.
“We’re also going to be asking to be invited inside your home to take a quick peek inside to ensure that there is no evidence in relation to this case with respect to you.”
A reporter asked Nealon about the consequences of not co-operating.
“Certainly it makes our job a lot easier and takes our focus off of your door once you’ve answered our questions, (you’ve been) co-operative and then we can all move forward again. Certainly you have the right not to allow the police into your apartment or your place. We’ll just have to move on and we’ll work it out.”
The police plan to knock on the doors of about 6,000 people over the next two to three weeks. There will be 60 plainclothes officers working 12 hours per day, seven days per week.
Des Rosiers said not inviting police in to search one’s home is not sufficient grounds for the police to obtain a search warrant.
Under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 8 states that “Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure.”
To conduct a search of a home, police need a warrant. Several Criminal Code sections lay out the law for officers to obtain warrants, she said.
“If a police officer wants a warrant to force himself or herself into a house will need to have reasonable grounds to believe that there is evidence relating the commission of a crime that is in that residence,” Des Rosiers said.
“It’s not going to be enough to say, ‘Well, we’re searching 6,000 residences in an area, and that person refused to co-operate,’” she said. “That’s not going to be sufficient to amount to a reasonable belief that there’s evidence in the home.”
Des Rosiers said in TV crime shows, police sometimes threaten a person that if they don’t co-operate, they will come back with a search warrant.
“It has to be an individualized search warrant. You can’t have a generalized search warrant for a random look at 6,000 homes,” she said.
Des Rosiers said if police come at an inconvenient time, and you don’t want to help them at that moment, you have that right.
If they threaten to immediately get a search warrant, “that’s intimidation and an incorrect statement about the law,” she said.
“But we certainly want to encourage people to co-operate with police as much as they want. It’s a good cause,” Des Rosiers said.
Nealon said Monday that Mariam’s disappearance is a “unique and difficult case.”
Police still don’t know if she is a victim of foul play, vanished on her own accord or whether something else happened.
The girl, who turned 18 in late October, after walking to Forest Hill Collegiate — a high school in the Bathurst Street and Eglinton Avenue area –with her brother. When they arrived, she told her brother she would be going into the school from a separate entrance. But Mariam never made it to class and hasn’t been seen since.
……The notorious Toronto Police are testing Torontonians, to see if they can do this again, and push the legal envelope for further legally twisted infringements on our rights.
…..But you know what?…I’d rather stay here in Canada, which has a well written and individually specific Constitution (Charter of Rights and Freedoms) , than suffer the future consequences of being stuck in the United States of America when your dollar collapses and hyper inflation kicks in……than Martial Law……sorry.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Over many years we have all been lied to by our Governments, but not just our Governments but many religous leaders. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false prophets. If you are a truth seeker please visit the following web site and take the time to read some of the articles, you will be shocked.
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Blessings
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November 11th, 2009 at 7:22 am
May be the police need to peek around Guantanamo Bay collection facilities. She might be transported to there.
These days, kidnapping happens with Americans agencies are well known.
November 11th, 2009 at 8:24 am
If you have nothing to hide why worry, this kid’s life is at stake!
November 11th, 2009 at 8:26 am
God damn perverts everywhere, go on with the search I say!
November 12th, 2009 at 9:03 am
It’s okay to do door-to-door search, but why aren’t the brother and father being questioned? It’s sending a message that men can get away with abusing their female relatives.